archived-modding-development

[rose plank]

what are these?

[young walrus]

restrictions

[rose plank]

so you need those for what

[young walrus]

to win

beat the game

can't fight the final boss

[rose plank]

so you win by getting everything?

[young walrus]

you win by beating the game

game won't let you beat game unless you get the restrictions if you turn them on

[rose plank]

oh

thanks

[rose plank]

which skips are practical in your experience?

[copper nacelle]

all

wdym by practical

[rose plank]

wandering through a dark room with spikes doesn't seem pratical or enjoyable

spike bouncing seems like it could be a cool skill test

[unborn flicker]

You clearly don't know what spiketunnels includes

Leave them all off

[copper nacelle]

😤

[unborn flicker]

Not to be rude, but it's true

[rose plank]

if its harder than PoP or overly tedious, i dont want it

[unborn flicker]

exactly

[rose plank]

so all off?

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[shy cairn]

shade skips are pretty fun

and not that hard to pull off

[copper nacelle]

cpeaks shade skip to cdash when the shade has dive

[rose plank]

uhhh i dont think the room randomizer worked

the first room transition put me in the city of tears and all of the rooms have been in the same place other than that

[copper nacelle]

Are you sure you turned on room randomizer and not area randomizer?

[rose plank]

no

[copper nacelle]

[rose plank]

im sure i turned on area randomizer and not room randomizer

[unborn flicker]

wow not room randomizer didn't randomize rooms

[copper nacelle]

[unborn flicker]

guess I should scrap the mod now

[rose plank]

so for the room randomizer i use randomizer?

[copper nacelle]

what

[rose plank]

I DONT KNOW

I can't find a room randomizer mod, I've only found randomizer, item randomizer, and area randomizer, randomizer didnt work when i tried it

[copper nacelle]

the area randomizer is with the room rando

iirc

it's just a setting

[rose plank]

aaaaaaa

[copper nacelle]

same

[unborn flicker]

the area randomizer is outdated, so it's in a folder which says OLD

just use the mode select in the randomizer

[copper nacelle]

yeah by area rando i meant 2.a which i think they have

speaking of

your version of randomizer in the top-left says '2.a' right?

[unborn flicker]

to-left?

[copper nacelle]

🅿

[unborn flicker]

It should be "2.A" everywhere, iirc

[copper nacelle]

this is true

[unborn flicker]

In GetVersion, sure yeah

[rose plank]

the mode select doesnt work for me

idk why

[unborn flicker]

Does it say 2.A in the top-left?

[copper nacelle]

bro

[unborn flicker]

[copper nacelle]

that is outdated

and you also have multiple randomizers at once

[unborn flicker]

3 randomizers

[copper nacelle]

finally i can area rando my room rando

[rose plank]

i just want it extra random /s

progress

[copper nacelle]

remove AreaRando

and the other randomizer

[rose plank]

idk where the other randomizer is

k the area randomizer removed the top randomizer mod with it somehow

so the randomizer includes all the other randomizers..

my game just stops responding when i start the file

hold on it loaded , it just took 5 mins

[young walrus]

Takes time to compute

[rose plank]

uh oh spaghettios

[rose plank]

good question

[nimble lake]

What's the seanprcore mod?

[wraith bear]

it's a requirement for the randomizer mod

and probably some other things as well

it doesn't do anything by itself, but allows other mods to work

[simple python]

How do I upload a mod update to modinstaller now? modlinks is gone

[copper nacelle]

it's on github now

you can pr it or i can do it for you until gradow adds you to the repo

@solemn rivet

[simple python]

10-4 made the pull request

[copper nacelle]

merged

btw if you right click => manage versions on the zip

and just upload a new version

the url won't change

[simple python]

Did not know that. Thanks!

[brazen mortar]

56 respond to the gratitude

You’re welcome

[solemn rivet]

@simple python what's your github username

I'll add you to the repo

[simple python]

It's kingkiller39

[solar jacinth]

i want another modder with a yellow default pfp

[nimble lake]

Is there a mod that lets you edit/replace sprites?

Outside of what's in custom knight

[gilded lotus]

As far as a mod goes. Negative

[solemn rivet]

Added @simple python

[solar jacinth]

@nimble lake level editor

its wip but

[simple python]

Thanks! @solemn rivet

[nimble lake]

isn't that to edit levels?

[solar jacinth]

yeah

that means

[nimble lake]

I'm talking about actually editing existing sprites for stuff

[solar jacinth]

also there was a sprite rando so

its possible

but idk how

[ornate rivet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gqAd1y3xbNnNY2XWUZ7j6n1LX8FNdMj2zeoclSOTLyM/edit

check mod summaries

dash length changes

probably

[copper nacelle]

😍

[deft epoch]

why doesn't each enemy extend off a base class

[copper nacelle]

the ai is all fsm

and tc is tc

[deft epoch]

mmm okay

[safe hamlet]

mmm

[jovial vault]

mmm

marios munching monster

[young walrus]

make me moist

[silk jetty]

[fair rampart]

I regret looking in this chat

[solar jacinth]

Lmao

[nimble lake]

That mod that extract sprites once they're loaded in the game

Is there a way to actually edit and reapply?

[solar jacinth]

Yes

Ask someone who knows

Idk

[nimble lake]

I don't think there are that many mods that replace the sprites

And even if there are, they are usually done from the actual mod itself

[solar jacinth]

There is ways

[nimble lake]

Who's KDT?

I need kdt

[silk jetty]

KDT is Katie

[leaden hedge]

me

[silk jetty]

I was about to ping you lol

[nimble lake]

Your sprite dump mod doesn't do anything for me. I'm pressing f10 and checking the save folder, but nothing's there

[leaden hedge]

Please remove your "him" thanks

Someone had this problem before and I dont remember off the top of my head what fixed it

Does your modlog say its attempting to dump sprites?

[nimble lake]

It says [INFO]:Begin Dumping Sprites, probably for every time I hit f10

It should be saved to the save file folder, right?

[leaden hedge]

ok so its trying to do it

It should be saves -> sprites

[ornate rivet]

how come

HeroAudioController b = HeroController.instance.GetComponent<HeroAudioController>();
b.PauseAllSounds();```
doesn't do anything?

[copper nacelle]

Isn't there an AudioListener

This probably isn't what you want

[ornate rivet]

wouldn't that turn off all of the knight's noises?

[copper nacelle]

yes

[ornate rivet]

it doesn't

[copper nacelle]

i mean it'd pause them if they were already playing

You could probably just dash after the method is called and it'd still play

[ornate rivet]

doing it at every frame doesn't work either

same with b.StopAllSounds();

[copper nacelle]

set all the audio sources to volume 0

[ornate rivet]

ok

nope

[copper nacelle]

[ornate rivet]

HeroAudioController b;
private void Start()
{
    StartCoroutine(DelayedStart());
}
IEnumerator DelayedStart()
{
    yield return new WaitForSeconds(5f);
    b = HeroController.instance.GetComponent<HeroAudioController>();
}

void Update()
{
    if (b != null)
    {
        b.softLanding.volume = 0f;
        b.hardLanding.volume = 0f;
        b.jump.volume = 0f;
        b.takeHit.volume = 0f;
        b.backDash.volume = 0f;
        b.dash.volume = 0f;
        b.footStepsRun.volume = 0f;
        b.footStepsWalk.volume = 0f;
        b.wallslide.volume = 0f;
        b.nailArtCharge.volume = 0f;
        b.nailArtReady.volume = 0f;
        b.falling.volume = 0f;
        Log("GOOO");
    }
}

[copper nacelle]

what type of name is b

[ornate rivet]

the type you use when you're testing something

there is an AudioListener that works but it changes everything's volume

[copper nacelle]

You could hook PlaySound i guess

because it literally just uses the class you mentioned

[ornate rivet]

ok

how do you hook things

[copper nacelle]

what the fuck

On.HeroAudioController.PlaySound += (orig, self, sound) => { };

[ornate rivet]

oh ok thanks

[copper nacelle]

It logged "GOOD" right?

Because you really shouldn't have to hook it

[ornate rivet]

yes

[copper nacelle]

and everything still made noise?

[ornate rivet]

yes

[copper nacelle]

you could try HeroController.instance.PauseAudio() i guess

but that should be the same thing

[ornate rivet]

maybe

I'm

stupid

[copper nacelle]

very nice

what was it

[ornate rivet]

it did work

it stopped the walking and initial jumping noise

but

it doesn't stop the landing noise

[copper nacelle]

yes

that's why i asked about everything

Falling sets its own volume whenever it happens

to a fade

if you look under PlaySound there's a coroutine call

[ornate rivet]

yea I see it

which audio does take hit control? It doesn't seem to change anything when you get hit

[copper nacelle]

what

[ornate rivet]

it still makes the getting hit noise even if takehit's volume is set to 0

[copper nacelle]

StartRecoil spawns its own thing

Which is coincidentally also what I was looking for so that's nice

[ornate rivet]

damageeffect fsm doesn't control sound though

[copper nacelle]

the 1 damage noise is HeroAudioController too though

[ornate rivet]

it does enable the muffling effect by sending another event

[copper nacelle]

It's TAKE_HIT

I think

[ornate rivet]

but what about double dmg

[copper nacelle]

that's what i posted before

takeHitDoublePrefab

[ornate rivet]

that controls sound?

[copper nacelle]

presumably

Considering nothing else even references double damage as far as I can tell

I'm going to check it in a sec if you want to wait

[ornate rivet]

I'll check it mister

🦀 it works 🦀

56 knowing everything as usual

[copper nacelle]

are you doing the double damage thing

cause that's what i was about to do

[ornate rivet]

yes

[copper nacelle]

very nice

[ornate rivet]

HeroController.instance.takeHitDoublePrefab.GetComponent<AudioSource>().volume = 0.5f;

[copper nacelle]

bruh

[gilded lotus]

[copper nacelle]

hard coding

i cannot believe saleh hates me

wow ok

i cannot believe zaliant hates me

[ornate rivet]

56's pp is too irresistible to hate

[copper nacelle]

[silk jetty]

I dont enjoy 56' pp

probably because it's too hard for me

[ornate rivet]

how dare you

[gilded lotus]

is it possible to squeeze the damage sound tuning into the zaliant.dll you gave me that definitely isn't a keylogger @copper nacelle

[copper nacelle]

yeah

but i was about to add it to qol anyways

[gilded lotus]

oh okay

[copper nacelle]

without hardcoding it

[gilded lotus]

wait what were you about to add

damage sound tune or mouse lock

[copper nacelle]

saleh help

[ornate rivet]

I think he is adding the mouse lock

what is it sir 56

[gilded lotus]

that .dll is a godsend though, fucking mouse drifting off the window is the most annoying thing ever

[copper nacelle]

whoever made mouse select emotes on tab can die

[ornate rivet]

what's the problem with that snippet

[copper nacelle]

ah it decided to exist after i finished the line

nevermind

[ornate rivet]

incredible

56 what's the best method of waiting for Herocontroller.instance to exist

[copper nacelle]

coroutine gamers rise up

[ornate rivet]

ok good

[copper nacelle]

could on hook awake too i guess

[ornate rivet]

hmm

[copper nacelle]

where the fuck do the sliders change the volume

i swear to god

it is not fsm

finally

[ornate rivet]

maths

[copper nacelle]

why is the volume a parabola

[ornate rivet]

baths

because it's a circle

duh

[copper nacelle]

okay buddy

should i fix dream grass

[floral furnace]

its not hard coding its fun coding

[copper nacelle]

hi tc

[floral furnace]

h

what is the dream grass lore

[gilded lotus]

is it even worth it cause you don't encounter it that often

[copper nacelle]

[floral furnace]

i see

honestly ive seen those component stuff for like a year now and i only understood what they mean now

[copper nacelle]

[ornate rivet]

smhmyhead

[floral furnace]

so whats the prob with it again

[copper nacelle]

set your audio/music sliders to 0

go hit some grass

[ornate rivet]

is this PC

[copper nacelle]

it will still be deafening

yes

[gilded lotus]

speaking of PC ear rape

the fire pillar thing is still a thing for some users it turns out

so... have fun with that again

[ornate rivet]

easy
I'll make it 0.1

[copper nacelle]

have you heard of my good friend

GameManager.instance.gameSettings.soundVolume

[ornate rivet]

I had not

[copper nacelle]

my guy

[floral furnace]

oh i c

[ornate rivet]

does sound volume go from 0 to 1 as well?

[copper nacelle]

idk

[ornate rivet]

0-10

[copper nacelle]

okay

[ornate rivet]

wow this is perfect

[silk jetty]

smh using invulnerability in your testing

[copper nacelle]

am i supposed to only be hearing keyboard noises

[ornate rivet]

eee

[gilded lotus]

saleh what this https://puu.sh/E0KXN/b80e40d2f8.png

[jovial vault]

Using ear rape as a term and a joke

[silk jetty]

I hate that they shoot fire perpendicular to them

[gilded lotus]

and why it say 16 bit stereo

[ornate rivet]

that's the wav converter class sid and I use

[gilded lotus]

that's probably why it sounds like ass

[copper nacelle]

16bit on 32bit wav

[gilded lotus]

why you need a converter if it's already wav

[copper nacelle]

wav => AudioClip

[gilded lotus]

gotcha

[copper nacelle]

if you're importing unity stuff anyways can't you just make an AudioClip in the editor

[gilded lotus]

i remember sid did the same thing and it ended up sounded like terribad

[ornate rivet]

with assetbundle?

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[ornate rivet]

haven't tried sound yet, will do that

[floral furnace]

vid wont even play discord please

[silk jetty]

wait is ttacco's nick a jojo reference

it says ripple

[gilded lotus]

56 have you actually played PC in game

[copper nacelle]

no

the most pc i've done is uhh

fixing saleh's bug where he couldn't get it to find lurker because it had a space at the end

[ornate rivet]

" hop"

[floral furnace]

i dont even watch jojo but ok

[silk jetty]

your name is a jojo reference because it says ripple and thats the localized name for hamon

[copper nacelle]

i don't think that's how references work

[silk jetty]

thats the joke

some jojo fans think everything is a jojo reference if it has a word that is used more than once in jojo

and stuff like that

[gilded lotus]

https://streamable.com/hxjpu compare the beginning intro music thing

to this

[silk jetty]

why do you have timescale up a bunch

[copper nacelle]

because he's zaliant

[gilded lotus]

PV 2.5

[copper nacelle]

is like 20% more volume for 2x damage sane

with no context this question is entirely opinion based

in which case

hard mode no claw

don't turn on mag skips

[gilded lotus]

i will use the words of homothety the great

in summary, if you don't know what it is, don't turn it on

[young walrus]

Do you know speedrun strats

If no, leave settings off

[silk jetty]

no

[copper nacelle]

[solar jacinth]

is this

jet brain

[copper nacelle]

yes

[solar jacinth]

[copper nacelle]

don't me

rider is great

[solar jacinth]

but it isnt free so

[copper nacelle]

free for students 😤

[solar jacinth]

i know but , i dont think itll work for me

i still say vs

[copper nacelle]

[solar jacinth]

[copper nacelle]

[solar jacinth]

is this windows 99

[deft epoch]

only real gamers use rider

[ornate rivet]

why did I ever add sound without assetbundles

they make it so much better

[floral furnace]

wait did you get your asset bundle to work?

[ornate rivet]

they work with everything except animation textures

[floral furnace]

my dll cant even find them

[ornate rivet]

[leaden hedge]

ye its why ngg2 got dropped anim textures not working

[floral furnace]

oof

[ornate rivet]

is there a way to add the texture back into the animation in code?

[deft epoch]

just paste the base 64 strings

[leaden hedge]

dont think so

animator is like locked off

[ornate rivet]

oof

big reee

[deft epoch]

how do you even bundle assets for use in mods?

or I may be completely misunderstanding this

[ornate rivet]

You put AssetBundleCreator.cs in unity and make an AssetBundle folder. Add something as an assetbundle and give it a name then do Build As Asset Bundle under Assets. You put the file somewhere you can access like StreamingAssets. Then you get the files with this:

AssetBundle ab = AssetBundle.LoadFromFile(Path.Combine(Application.streamingAssetsPath, assetName));
GameObject[] go = ab.LoadAllAssets<GameObject>();
coolGO = Instantiate(go[0]);

[deft epoch]

seems kind of hacky

although then again everything is hacky when you're modding

[leaden hedge]

Its the intended way to load files into unity

[deft epoch]

yeah but when you're loading in bundles the unintended way does it really matter?

[copper nacelle]

But AssetBundle.LoadFromFile is a unity function

[deft epoch]

[copper nacelle]

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/AssetBundle.LoadFromFile.html

[deft epoch]

yes I know

ok

[copper nacelle]

I wouldn't describe a built in loading function as unintended

[deft epoch]

probably just me but I'd rather have a simple tool to bundle assets instead of having to load unity on my computer every time I want to bundle assets

[copper nacelle]

understandable

but if you try and load a unity dll from not-unity it dies violently

[deft epoch]

might actually just rip BuildPipeline with Cecil and try smoothing the edges

or decompile it if it's not obfuscated to shit

although it wouldn't be that easy, AudioClip conversion things

[ornate rivet]

Updated Pale Champion 🦀

Daggers are now deflectable and pogoable
Sound/Music now works with main menu's audio settings
Music now uses Unity Editor so Zaliant will hopefully be happy with it now
Last phase has been changed
Aspids in the phase before last phase have received a nerf

[weak lodge]

🦀

[safe hamlet]

🦀

[nimble lake]

@leaden hedge sorry for the ping again, but do you have a fix for sprite dump?

[leaden hedge]

I mean the DLL worked last time I checked, but there might have been a change or permission issue

I'm not at my PC until monday

[copper nacelle]

[leaden hedge]

I dont have my PC to check though

Might have to bother 56

[copper nacelle]

i can try it if you want

[leaden hedge]

It should just work

[copper nacelle]

oh

it might be the image conversion thing

if it wasn't rebuilt for gm

[leaden hedge]

maybe

[copper nacelle]

it says begin but no output

yeah

should just need a recompile i think

i can do it if you want

[leaden hedge]

Yea sure

Thanks

[copper nacelle]

works now

in the menu it's like 2 sprites

[leaden hedge]

Yeah its only proper sprites

No static environments

[safe hamlet]

thonk what's FauxMod

[copper nacelle]

a mod which is faux

it's a class for dividing the qol stuff up but only having one actual mod

because this is terrible

[safe hamlet]

ah

[copper nacelle]

i have it set up so any FauxMod w/ Unload overridden gets put into the settings file and stuff

and an attribute you can put on fields to have them put into the settings

[nimble lake]

there are some things that I don't understand what QoL does

What does it mean by better dreamers

What does it fix with dashmaster

what are hard saves

[flat forum]

I think these are mostly speedrun related things

[unborn flicker]

56, fix your readme, I'm sick of answering these questions 😩

[flat forum]

smth along the lines of a force-save

also, homo, wasn't the readme updated?

or jsut mod summaries

[unborn flicker]

apparently, not enough

[flat forum]

smh

[eager storm]

Can somebody help me in half an hour or in a couple days
I usually use the normal modinstaller with the zote head and it works just fine
I was trying to get another api cause I want to try glass soul and a more updated version of randomizer but it crashes my hollow knight causing me to reïnstall the game

[ornate rivet]

afaik you need an older version of the game for glass soul to work

[unborn flicker]

manually installing a version of the api for a different patch of the game will prevent the game from launching

All of the updated versions of the randomizer work on the api distributed by the modinstaller

[eager storm]

hmm explains a lot euh is there anywhere a better randomizer so the vessel shards and mask fragments are also random cause it isn't with the update I have now

[unborn flicker]

It is pinned in #randomizer

[eager storm]

thanks

[worldly stirrup]

Just want to say thanks to any of the modders that might see this: You've helped me put another 150+ hours in to Hollow Knight. ❤

[solar jacinth]

holy shit

[timber hornet]

Nani

[nimble lake]

;mods

[fair rampart]

**Mods**

Google Drive with Mods
Installer
Mod Summaries

[nimble lake]

yea dreamshield co op not working

[gilded lotus]

https://discordapp.com/channels/283467363729408000/462200562620825600/576327909103632385 try this

also for help on mods, try going to the #archived-modding-help channel

[fast birch]

hey guys, is there any way to add only one charm with the debug mode ? i'd like to do a randomizer run, but im really lost without the compass charm 😮

[gilded lotus]

https://github.com/KayDeeTee/Hollow-Knight-SaveManager/releases/latest you can try this

charm numbers will be pinned in #archived-modding-help in case you need it

[fast birch]

ye i just found out, thank you much 😃

[solar jacinth]

i have a modding idea

its p cool

[silk jetty]

okay

[solar jacinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s48AnUisD3w what if we applied this to every npc?

[silk jetty]

that would require a lot of work

[solar jacinth]

no?

just find voices paste it into hk ez

[silk jetty]

you would have to record a lot of voicelines

[solar jacinth]

idk

[fair rampart]

I'll voice the Knight for a handsome sum of money

[silk jetty]

amazing

I'll voice broken vessel/lost kin

if you buy me silksong on steam when it comes out

[solar jacinth]

sure

but

one thing

im poor

[empty ginkgo]

enemy randomizer freezes loading at 88%, is that normal? the cursor still works

i have 16gb of ram

[solar jacinth]

there was a solution

fireball fixed it

but i forgot

read the read me

[empty ginkgo]

ill try

[silk jetty]

isn't the solution just using qol mod now?

[solar jacinth]

with seanprcore

[silk jetty]

didn't the new version make that fix it

[solar jacinth]

idk

coolfav download qol and try

[empty ginkgo]

yeah im bout to do that

btw sometimes the knight doesnt get damaged by enemies until a few seconds pass

i dont think i have any cheats on

but have a ton of mods downloaded

[solar jacinth]

list of that mods

its not a very good idea to download tons of mods

[empty ginkgo]

benchwarp
blackmoth
bonfire
charmoverhaul
custom knight
debug
enemy randomiser
enemyhpbar
fragile strength for nail arts
inf notches
lightbringer
moresaves
qol (as of a few seconds ago)
randomapmod
randomiser 2
redwing + assets
seanprcore

i have a feeling it's blackmoth, redwing or lightbringer

im gonna disable bonfire as it doesnt seem to change the game, only the menu works

also i tried running the randomiser after getting qol again, still stuck at 88%

will try again after disabling every mod

[solar jacinth]

hly fuck

holy

bruh

dont

[empty ginkgo]

what

[solar jacinth]

this is too much

most of them are broken

[empty ginkgo]

i disabled all but a few

and it loaded

cool

now i need to figure out which one breaks it

[weary elk]

bruv

thats a lot

[solar jacinth]

buddy

[weary elk]

it will melt like 99% of pcs

[solar jacinth]

^

[empty ginkgo]

damn

[solar jacinth]

there is no such a thing as 1 thing breaks it

[empty ginkgo]

yeah i guess i get what youre saying

[solar jacinth]

yes

also

charm mods are broken

charm overhaul is

[empty ginkgo]

oh ok thanks

broken as in OP or breaks the game

[solar jacinth]

and i heard rumors about not being able to disable infinite nothces mod

[empty ginkgo]

ill just uninstall it then

and reinstall the game if it doesnt work

[weary elk]

if you can't disable a mod

and it's a bug

why wouldn't that be a disclaimer

in like the mod page or smthn

[empty ginkgo]

ok the rumor isnt true, i only have 3 notches after disabling the mod (i made a new game)

unless you mean a current game

[patent radish]

how do i mod? just want to say I use steam

[nimble lake]

Infinite notches edits the save file

So you’ll have to edit the save file and disable

[unborn flicker]

;i @patent radish

[fair rampart]

Reminder: The mod installer (https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe) and other modding resources can be found from the pinned messages.

[patent radish]

thank you

[nimble lake]

You will need programming experience and C# experience

From what I’ve been told

[empty ginkgo]

mod installers do it for you tho right

[wraith bear]

depends if you want to create mods or use other mods

I would assume that they just want to play with mods

in which case you don't need to mess with code

[nimble lake]

Creating a mod requires experience

In programming and C#

[wraith bear]

yeah

[empty ginkgo]

oh yeah

[solar jacinth]

ok why are you repeating it twice smh

[nimble lake]

It was misunderstood

They thought installing requires

[solar jacinth]

oh

[winter valley]

using benchport, spent geo tracker and randomizer v2, occasionally when I benchport I can't use focus at all

quit+reload fixes

[young walrus]

get soul

warping to a bench leaves a graphical glitch, you have zero soul

[winter valley]

ah okay, that explains it, thanks

[dark wigeon]

because @ornate rivet was asking, here's progress on the level editor although I haven't had much time to work on it https://github.com/nesrak1/HKWorldEdit2

I'll try to commit often so you can see when things get added

[dark wigeon]

also if you want to help out I can try to explain how it works and what needs to be done

[ornate rivet]

yay thanks

[dark wigeon]

Please like and subscribe and click the bell

[ornate rivet]

ok

I starred it ⭐

[solar jacinth]

which ver sion unity editor use s this

which version does this level editor uses of unity

whats wrong with my grammar

[solar jacinth]

😤

[solar jacinth]

also

nes

pls

help

@dark wigeon you know how hk detects vertical things , like walls

?

[dark wigeon]

Wdym

How hk knows to do wall sliding?

[nimble lake]

can you edit sprites with that?

[brazen mortar]

How HK does things like jam false knight into the wall at times

[rain cedar]

what

[copper nacelle]

he just sits in the ceiling

[lofty trench]

I'm very curious, i searched on internet for a good 30 minutes but couldnt find a co-op mode (except the dreamsheild one)
is there any ? it would be so fun

even if it would maybe make the game more easy

[ornate rivet]

there is no complete co op mod

[lofty trench]

thats so sad

[gilded lotus]

actually there is multiworld

[fierce prism]

;i

[fair rampart]

Reminder: The mod installer (https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe) and other modding resources can be found from the pinned messages.

[nimble lake]

by doing it in assembly-csharp i mean removing the vignette of fury

[ornate rivet]

you can do it by using what you've learned about editing fsm

the thing that enables vignette should be in the same fsm we used before

[nimble lake]

like

with fsmviewer?

[ornate rivet]

you find out what to edit with fsm viewer
you edit it the same way I forced fury to always be on when charm is enabled

this was the code for it in case you lost it https://github.com/SalehAce1/FuryAlwaysOn

so you probably want to remove these actions in the state Activate

[nimble lake]

EffectFixer or FuryAlwaysOn?

[ornate rivet]

FuryAlwaysOn.cs waits for the player to load their save file then starts EffectFixer.cs

EffectFixer.cs is where the magic happens

you will want to use _fsm.RemoveAction(stuff goes here);

[glacial shoal]

I installed redwing and it gived me infinute soul ¿It's normal?

[ornate rivet]

Please ask mod installation questions in #archived-modding-help

and the answer to that is yes, tis normal

[drowsy viper]

what do the mag skips on randomizer 2 do

[ornate rivet]

don't enable them Box jelly

[drowsy viper]

but wht do they do?

[ornate rivet]

and ask these questions in #archived-modding-help please

[nimble lake]

changed to "Deactivate", 0

0 because I need to put a number

[ornate rivet]

Activate was right

index is the index of the action

starts from zero and goes up

like to remove the second action in Activate you would do
_fsm.removeaction("Activate",1);

[nimble lake]

How would it know that I want to remove the vignette though?

[ornate rivet]

the fsm is what tells the game to turn the vignette on. You are removing the action that turns it on so nothing ever tells the game to turn it on

the last 2 actions in Activate are related to the vignette

the second and third control the particle

[nimble lake]

third?

[ornate rivet]

you don't want it to start the particle emitter

[nimble lake]

the effect is still there

[ornate rivet]

yes, that removes the second one. You also want to remove the third one and the last 2

[nimble lake]

both of them are still appearing in game

[ornate rivet]

did you remove all the ones I told you to

[nimble lake]

Wait what?

[ornate rivet]

_fsm.RemoveAction("Activate",21);
_fsm.RemoveAction("Activate",20);
_fsm.RemoveAction("Activate", 2);
_fsm.RemoveAction("Activate", 1);

[nimble lake]

it works

how

Does it say anywhere that these number represent something?

[ornate rivet]

buddo

[nimble lake]

Oh wait

I think I get it

[ornate rivet]

they're the order the actions appear in, in the fsm viewer

the order starts from 0

[nimble lake]

Ahh I didn't think there was any significance to that

[ornate rivet]

@copper nacelle
When you remove an action does the index of everything after it still change or did you change that?

[nimble lake]

Thank you for helping me with all of this and putting up with me btw

[ornate rivet]

you're welcome

good luck

[copper nacelle]

@ornate rivet it changes the indices of everything after

[ornate rivet]

ok so you should watch out for that @nimble lake

[nimble lake]

What does that mean?

[ornate rivet]

it means if you remove an action at index 5, everything after it will shift their index value down by 1. So index 6 becomes 5, 7 becomes 6, etc

[nimble lake]

ah so it's like, get's deleted from the list

got it, thanks.

[ornate rivet]

yep

[dark wigeon]

The level editor can't edit textures although I could make that an option since unity has a method to decode textures which I used in the old editor

I dunno how you would want to edit it, maybe create a temp image you can edit, then when you save the image, it gets repackaged and saved?

[nimble lake]

To remove Shadow dash cooldown, I should just edit Assembly-CSharp instead of making a mod, yes?

Since the FSM doesn't exist for it

[solar jacinth]

probably

but i always failed at editing assemblycsharp

[nimble lake]

yea, for me it just works when it decides to

[solar jacinth]

yea, for me it just works never

[dark wigeon]

can you not patch the methods?

I don't think there's really a good reason to edit the dll when you can almost always make a mod

[nimble lake]

I can't find the FSM that's responsible for this

The only downside is that the particles of the recharge still appear, and after a while the game staggers

[dawn oxide]

hey, have the randomizers been updated on the installer
i've yet to get them to work

[flat forum]

@dark wigeon d i d y o u f i x t h e g l i t c h w i t h d u p l i c a t i n g s t u f f

[dark wigeon]

https://discordapp.com/channels/283467363729408000/327461802311155714/607709147093401650

[flat forum]

h

do I look like I can use the Github link smh

[dark wigeon]

literally just click download

[wraith bear]

@dawn oxide what's the problem you've been having?

the ones on the installer should both work

as long as you have SeanprCore (for rando 2) and/or ModCommon (for enemy rando)

[flat forum]

wait you mean you've fixed it?

[dawn oxide]

last time i checked i had to download them manually because they were outdated and they didnt work for some reason
im asking if they've been updated so i can download them there

[nimble lake]

unless there is actually a way to change the cooldown?

[flat forum]

wait I'm lost

[solar jacinth]

aeaura

ask

gradow

@solemn rivet

[dark wigeon]

ask me

[solar jacinth]

also

nes

i meant how hk makes wall jump

do you know it?

[dark wigeon]

that didn't clear up anything

what about wall jumping

what specific thing

[flat forum]

the code behind wall-jumping in Hollow Knight ig

[dark wigeon]

what part of it

[solar jacinth]

how do they make it

[flat forum]

shrug

also #archived-modding-help pls

[dark wigeon]

how it detects where the wall is? how it slows down more?

[solar jacinth]

detect

[dark wigeon]

I don't know myself but try googling it: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=unity+detect+side+of+2d+collision

[nimble lake]

idk why people use duckduckgo

[dark wigeon]

why are you so triggered

[silk jetty]

because no history

[nimble lake]

it says it's private but it's not as good as google

[dark wigeon]

if I need google I will use it

[nimble lake]

in features and such

[dark wigeon]

but for most cases it works

like what features

[nimble lake]

finding stuff

[dark wigeon]

like

[nimble lake]

when you're looking for something

[dark wigeon]

like

in features and such

do you mean regular searching because when you say features it sounds like you mean things like -word

[nimble lake]

stuff like this too

[dark wigeon]

which ddg has

[flat forum]

heyoo

[dark wigeon]

wat

[flat forum]

last version had a scene.unity thing I could run from where I could open the HK scenes but this time there's nothing

[dark wigeon]

wat

what is scene.unity

[flat forum]

the HK Editor

[dark wigeon]

yes but what is secen.unity

[flat forum]

had a "Scenes" folder

in Assets

[solar jacinth]

open it

[flat forum]

and some empty scene

this time there isn't an empty scene tho

can I just

[dark wigeon]

old one had this in it

[flat forum]

yeah

[dark wigeon]

that was just for testing

[flat forum]

I am still confused as to how to open the scene editor

[dark wigeon]

hkedit -> load scene v2

look at top

wait did you load the project yet

so you downloaded the zip, extracted, told unity to open folder as project right

[flat forum]

I downloaded and extracted

[dark wigeon]

then on top it should have hkedit

[flat forum]

opened Unity

and then I stopped

[dark wigeon]

click open

[flat forum]

can I open it with a different version of Unity?

[dark wigeon]

open extracted folder

no

[flat forum]

that's where I stopped

okay gimme a min to download the right one

[dark wigeon]

I mean I haven't tested but I sort of doubt it would work

but then again I do have typetrees so it might be better supported

[flat forum]

I needed

uh

2017

[dark wigeon]

its in the readme and the screenshot what specific version you need

[flat forum]

4 10f1

yeah

[dark wigeon]

were you opening the trianglescene in unity and getting it to load the project? that seems a bit weird

[flat forum]

shrug

it worked

anyways, I got Unity

had downloaded it prior but forgot where i'd put it, excuse

[nimble lake]

Is it even possible to mod something when it doesn't have fsm?

or maybe I just can't find it

[flat forum]

what are you trying to mod?

[solar jacinth]

shadow dash cooldown

ararua api who

[flat forum]

should be

didn't Gradow play around with SDash a lot?

[solar jacinth]

yes

thats why i told him to ask him

@solemn rivet

answer

wake up

buddy

[dark wigeon]

@nimble lake SHADOW_DASH_COOLDOWN in HeroController ez

you just have to look around my dude

[nimble lake]

well, that's the thing

Do I make a mod or just edit assembly csharp

[solar jacinth]

imgine making dnspy work

[dark wigeon]

make a mod

[flat forum]

what

[solar jacinth]

dnspy doesnt work

what

[flat forum]

don't just edit assembly csharp

[nimble lake]

dnspy works when it decides to work

[dark wigeon]

dnspy does work you're just doing it wrong

but seriously don't

just make a mod

[flat forum]

^

[nimble lake]

hmm

well

[dark wigeon]

it's serialized in the assets files so editing the dll will do nothing that a mod can't do

[solar jacinth]

how do i make a mod

[nimble lake]

I'll try to figure out how to make a mod

mood sugar

[dark wigeon]

how are you editing fsms then????

[flat forum]

okay I got it open

[solar jacinth]

how do i make a mod except fsm viewer

[flat forum]

I just go pick whichever scene from the Steam folder, right?

[dark wigeon]

anyway just look for the HeroController component and set SHADOW_DASH_COOLDOWN to 0

yes choose any level file from hollow_knight_Data

[solar jacinth]

at what program

[flat forum]

lemme just

find what rooms I was dealing with

[dark wigeon]

wdym just make a class library and write your code there

yeah sorry I don't have scene list yet

you could just copy and paste the code for it tho

@nimble lake the dash code is in c# not fsm

[dark wigeon]

no you're making a new field

you want to modify the instance of HeroController's field not make a new one with the same name

[nimble lake]

i don't think that's it

[dark wigeon]

yes that is it

thats shadow dash cooldown

[nimble lake]

that's inside the assembly sharp though

[dark wigeon]

ok?

[nimble lake]

like, the reference

but ok i'll try

[rain cedar]

It's public

[dark wigeon]

why does it matter that it's in assembly-csharp

[rain cedar]

You don't need anything fancy here

It's one line

[nimble lake]

just to = 0 i guess then

[dark wigeon]

yes

[nimble lake]

what's a prefab btw?

[rain cedar]

Some questions are very easily answered with google

[nimble lake]

a prefabricated building.

[rain cedar]

Sure

[dark wigeon]

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=unity+prefab @nimble lake

[nimble lake]

I wanted to also get rid of the recharge animation while i'm at it

[dark wigeon]

search for something to do with shadow dash recharge in dnspy and if that doesn't work grep the level/sharedassetsxxx.assets/resources.assets files

[rain cedar]

Looks like part of it is handled by a SpriteFlash in C#

But I imagine the main part of the animation is an fsm on the shadow dash prefab

[rain cedar]

Yeah, that's what I found as well

[nimble lake]

problem

I can't edit that

[dark wigeon]

wdym

[nimble lake]

I can't type into this

[dark wigeon]

you're not supposed to

[nimble lake]

Didn't you told me to add = 0?

[dark wigeon]

don't add = 0

once you have an instance just set the value to 0

even if you did edit the dll to = 0 there unity would overwrite it

[dark wigeon]

fields are not global

this is ExampleMod1.SHADOW_DASH_COOLDOWN

[nimble lake]

it says instance

[dark wigeon]

the other one is HeroController.SHADOW_DASH_COOLDOWN

to set the value you need an instance of the monobehaviour

so 1. find gameobject instance 2. get component 3. set field on that instance

[safe hamlet]

btw the proper notation for instance is #, it differentiates it from static access

[nimble lake]

The gameobject instance is SHADOW_DASH_COOLDOWN I think

component, not sure what that is

[dark wigeon]

well its the thing you attach to a gameobject

[safe hamlet]

did you read what he said

[nimble lake]

I did but I don't know what that means

[safe hamlet]

i believe that field is on HeroController, no?

[dark wigeon]

scripts are linked to a monobehaviour component

[nimble lake]

that line, yea

[safe hamlet]

you can just call HeroController.instance

[dark wigeon]

o lol its a singleton huh

[safe hamlet]

and access the field that way

yea

not a game object

it's static with an instance field

[dark wigeon]

its not really static its just a singleton

but basically static since only one is allowed

[dark wigeon]

its attached to knight

[safe hamlet]

yea

[nimble lake]

What is that window

[dark wigeon]

monobehaviour searcher

are you sure instance isn't lowercase

[safe hamlet]

it is and he is directly trying to assign it in a class

[nimble lake]

even then that doesn't change anything

[dark wigeon]

well first off you're trying to run code outside of a method

[safe hamlet]

you need to learn more C# m8

[dark wigeon]

c# and unity

[nimble lake]

I know that, but that will take a few years.

[safe hamlet]

no

[dark wigeon]

not really you just need to learn it

[nimble lake]

For now I'm just trying to figure out what to do

[safe hamlet]

you are not going to get much help if you refuse to learn

[nimble lake]

It takes at least a few months

[safe hamlet]

since you will keep coming with dumb questions which could be solved if you put the effort to learn

[dark wigeon]

I wouldn't say months

probably in weeks you could learn most basic things like this

[safe hamlet]

yea

[nimble lake]

Unity tutorials just teach you how to make games, and you would need to watch multiple different tutorials from different people

[safe hamlet]

read up on C# then

[nimble lake]

There's no way all of this can be learned in like a week

unless I put many hours every day into this

[dark wigeon]

for the basics, just know what a class, method, instance, fields, variables, etc is and that's really all you need to know to figure things out

[nimble lake]

I tried learning before, and I think I know what these are to some degree

[rain cedar]

I don't think you do

[nimble lake]

It's just that here I'm working with multiple references and such while so far I've only been learning to use things from like 1 .cs

[dark wigeon]

hm is knight really not in the resources list?

I've never seen unity do that before

[unborn flicker]

C# isn't really that hard to learn, imo

[nimble lake]

I also got learning GML on my hands as well

[unborn flicker]

I knew nothing, and I made benchwarp in a weekend

admittedly with some help

[rain cedar]

GML lol

[dark wigeon]

wait what is gml

[nimble lake]

I would need to learn from a very specific source

[rain cedar]

Game maker

[dark wigeon]

oh

[rain cedar]

You need only one source

https://google.com

[nimble lake]

yea that's another problem, sometimes I don't know what I'm looking for

[unborn flicker]

^ you don't have to take a course in it to learn how it works

[young walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-getrekt-shotsfired-burn-gif-5228640

[rain cedar]

Dude you keep giving up before trying

[nimble lake]

I bought a course once

on C#

[safe hamlet]

wait homothety, did you have experience in programming before benchwarp?

[unborn flicker]

Not really

[rain cedar]

I don't think courses are a good way to learn

[unborn flicker]

I did like a week of C++ 5 years ago

[safe hamlet]

that's pretty impressive

[dark wigeon]

doing c++ after c# is sad

[nimble lake]

I just hate it when tutorials and courses treat you like an idiot who never touched a computer before

[unborn flicker]

math major supremacy, tbqh 😤

[young walrus]

there's not much to programming beyond learning the syntax

[rain cedar]

To be fair

You are kinda sounding like an idiot who never touched a computer before

[safe hamlet]

i wanna learn c++

[nimble lake]

But that's actually complicated stuff

This level

[rain cedar]

You keep asking extremely basic questions that can be googled

And giving up when told to learn for yourself

[safe hamlet]

since it's pretty powerful when it comes to low level

[nimble lake]

Because I'm being bombarded with so many things I don't understand

I'm genuinely trying

[young walrus]

I've been meaning to make a mod as well in my super unlimited free time

just haven't gotten around to it

[rain cedar]

Start with the basics

[safe hamlet]

what mod are you gonna make

[young walrus]

there's this guy that makes metal remixes of HK songs

I want to put all of those in game

[dark wigeon]

I've actually seen those

[young walrus]

for their respective areas/bosses

[safe hamlet]

o

[rain cedar]

That would be cool

[safe hamlet]

very cool

get to it smhmyhead

[dark wigeon]

as expected the knight object is pretty big

[young walrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq5ttw5bt9s&feature=youtu.be

for example

[rain cedar]

Yeah, the knight is a monster

It has like 500 colliders

@young walrus There is an ApplyMusicCue FSM action

Used by Hornet, at least

Probably most bosses

[safe hamlet]

it's used by most

yea

[young walrus]

yeah. I'm not expecting it to be overly difficult

just need to get around to it

[safe hamlet]

i can help you with it if you do decide to do it

[young walrus]

Just need to learn some C# syntax

I only really know Matlab

which helps zero percent

okay.... a bit more than zero

but still

[dark wigeon]

at least it isn't like scratch or something

labview

[rain cedar]

Oh god scratch

[dark wigeon]

unreal blueprints visual scripting

[young walrus]

I also want to do a much more ambitious project at some point too where all game sounds are redone by only my voice

more a test of my audio engineering skills than modding skills

[nimble lake]

did C# test

[rain cedar]

Unfortunate

[young walrus]

ah tests, my favorite way to learn

[silk jetty]

I would probably get less than you

send me the test

[nimble lake]

https://www.tutorialsteacher.com/csharp/csharp-tutorials

[silk jetty]

I'm challenging myself to do worse than that

[safe hamlet]

epic C# challenge (gone wrong?)

[nimble lake]

yea idk how he managed to learn C# and make an entire mod all within a week

Either he put like 8 hours into it every day or is a programmer god by nature

[young walrus]

[safe hamlet]

just search by keyword what nes told you to learn

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/programming-guide/classes-and-structs/

[rain cedar]

I mean benchwarp uses code from other people as well

You'll get help here, just not so much with the extremely basic stuff

[unborn flicker]

Yeah, like I said, I certainly had assistance with the GUI and GameManager/HeroController stuff

[dark wigeon]

to be fair this quiz has a lot of names you don't really have to know you just have to know how it works