archived-modding-development

[copper nacelle]

gc isn't exactly fast

[wraith bear]

yeah

I'd rather it take longer and work all the time though

[copper nacelle]

Yeah

[wraith bear]

https://github.com/Fireball248/EnemyRandomizer

this is now forked

actually

I need to redo that all again probably

because it doesn't like that I just pushed my version over the old one

yeah I just deleted it

give me 5 mins

[nova berry]

@solar jacinth keep me posted my boi

[wraith bear]

https://github.com/Fireball248/EnemyRandomizer

is the correctly forked version

[copper nacelle]

@devout forum

[wraith bear]

oh no I just realised I didn't fix the shrumal ogres yesterday

I'll just do that now

[solar jacinth]

@nova berry wdym

ss demo?

[copper nacelle]

shade skin I think

[wraith bear]

fungal wastes looking great

ok I broke this save

[copper nacelle]

nice

[solar jacinth]

incredible

[magic rover]

Amazing

[wraith bear]

56 this fix makes it so much nicer to test

I don't have to watch the loading percentage increasing for 2 mins every time I want to change something

[copper nacelle]

[flat forum]

56

[wraith bear]

oh no

[nova berry]

@solar jacinth the shade knight pack

[copper nacelle]

hmmmmm

yes

[wraith bear]

reloading fixed it

I think it's probably BenchWarp

[copper nacelle]

[solemn rivet]

I see nothing wrong there Fireball

[solar jacinth]

oh

[wraith bear]

I think the Shrumal Ogres don't need fixing

it drops the charm notch if you kill all the enemies there

the only problem is enemies running out of the arena before you enter it

but you can always just noclip out

[solar jacinth]

just make it kill 2 enemies

[wraith bear]

if I could figure out which enemies the ogres actually are, it would help

actually, does anyone know the code name for them?

I've tried zombie fungus a and mushroom brawler

[copper nacelle]

just go to the room with debug on

the enemies panel shows you their names

[solemn rivet]

yeah

or log them on hit

[devout forum]

Enemy rando is fixed?

[wraith bear]

yeah

[devout forum]

Thank

Can you pin that 56?

[copper nacelle]

but why

[devout forum]

So we dont lose it. I'm not running hk right now

[wraith bear]

fixed it

they were mushroom brawlers

[copper nacelle]

it'll be on the installer in like an hour

[wraith bear]

but my build didn't go through

[devout forum]

Oh

[copper nacelle]

and the one on the installer is also fixed too

[devout forum]

Idk man homothety hasn't been using it so I though the installer was old news

[copper nacelle]

[devout forum]

[wraith bear]

before I put the 6th version on here, are there any other issues that I have forgotten about?

[copper nacelle]

idts

if you dm me your email I can add you to the gdrive btw

[wraith bear]

ok

is that linked to the installer or is that seperate?

[copper nacelle]

linked

but the shasum isn't auto updated

@solemn rivet can add you to the modinstaller repo which has an xml which keeps the shasums

[wraith bear]

kk got it

[copper nacelle]

Note that you don't delete the old enemy rando zip

You right click it => manage versions => upload new version

[wraith bear]

ok got it

[copper nacelle]

because deleting it changes the url which makes it die

[wraith bear]

oh right yeah

[solemn rivet]

fireball you can dm me your github acc name if you don't feel comfortable sharing it here

I'll add you to the installer repo

also, 56, do me a favor

[wraith bear]

I think it's just Fireball248

[solemn rivet]

remove the donation button

it's useless and I don't like it

I can't be bothered to open rider on this shitty pc

added you fireball

[wraith bear]

thanks

[magic rover]

How does the donation button even work

[copper nacelle]

you click it

and it opens PayPal

[magic rover]

Oh

[copper nacelle]

and yeah I can remove it when I get out of bed

[magic rover]

there could just be a like button in the Modinstaller smh and that's it

[copper nacelle]

oh yeah gradow

you should update the moddb installer

It's like entirely non-functional

And the new one will just auto update once you have that in

[wraith bear]

is the id supposed to be the same as what's already there

because the one I got from the drive is identical to what's in the file

[copper nacelle]

yes

shasum changes, id doesn't

that way you don't have to update the link

[wraith bear]

oh, I see

[solemn rivet]

can I just nuke moddb

[torpid plank]

Can we nuke Gradow instead?

[wraith bear]

and I need to hash the .dll right?

[torpid plank]

[wraith bear]

or the whole zip

[copper nacelle]

the dll

[wraith bear]

ok

have I got the wrong mod installer, it's still on Kerr's version

[copper nacelle]

what

This ain't it

You updated Kerr's zip right?

[wraith bear]

I updated the zip on the drive and the hash on the repo

[copper nacelle]

that should be right

[solemn rivet]

close and reopen the installer?

[wraith bear]

tried that

[magic rover]

You have Kerr's version?

[copper nacelle]

If it was on Kerr's version that'd be really weird because I changed it to your version + the fix a while ago

[solemn rivet]

hmmm

lemme open my installer

[wraith bear]

oh it's fixed itself now

I just had to fully remove the .dll and tell the installer to uninstall it

[copper nacelle]

nice

[wraith bear]

then put it back in

now I can finally go play Persona

[solemn rivet]

nooo

[wraith bear]

I was going to yesterday but obviously I was too busy with this

and now there's going to undoubtedly be a huge bug that I need to spend 5 hours fixing

[solemn rivet]

P5?

[magic rover]

Uh I saw a Crystal Guardian while my Enemy Randomizer was loading, is that normal?

[wraith bear]

yes

to both

56's changes make it go way more slowly

it's unloading the scenes that it isn't using anymore

so it pauses on the scene that is currently open

it did that before, just really fast

[solemn rivet]

ok

real shit

who is best girl?

[wraith bear]

hmm

does Yusuke count

[solemn rivet]

yes

ofc

also

please

for all that is holy

don't you dare say shogigirl

shitfumi

[safe hamlet]

freakin weebs man

smhmyhead

[elder gate]

I agree with the weebs comment but shaking my head my head?

[copper nacelle]

yes that is the joke

[weak lodge]

yes that is the joke buddy

[solar jacinth]

wait

wait

wait a fucking minute

sm doesnt means snff? like breating from your nose

[copper nacelle]

no

[solar jacinth]

oh god

[copper nacelle]

it means shaking my head

bro

[weak lodge]

i say smashing my head but same thing

[solar jacinth]

im enlightened

im

[weak lodge]

a goofy goober (rock)

[solar jacinth]

i dont know what to say

[flat forum]

wait what

you didn't know?

[solar jacinth]

no

omfg

epic

[jovial vault]

oh my god

[wraith bear]

I just realized that Godhome is probably totally broken

hmm

should I get it to load the hub area as well so it randomizes all of the things in there

like in WP

[solar jacinth]

yeah thatd be cool

[magic rover]

I would like to see someone getting up to Absolute Radiance in P5 and it turns out it's Myla

[solar jacinth]

^

this

[jovial vault]

That would be something

[magic rover]

Or who knows it can turn out to be Collector and then he jumps and gets never seen again

[solar jacinth]

^

[wraith bear]

hmm

hopefully the pantheons still work with randomization

Abs Rad wouldn't

because you obviously need a special event with her to get the ending

although it doesn't count for any percentage so as long as she's the only thing to break it should be fine

but I don't think she'll be randomized anyway

should I make it randomize her?

[magic rover]

I mean, the ending result of what AbsRad will come can be funny

[wraith bear]

ok

maybe include it in the option for godmaster enemies?

so if it's turned off the pantheons will stay as normal

that should be really easy to implement

[magic rover]

Yes

I found her in Greenpath

[wraith bear]

pretty much anything is spawnable anywhere

[magic rover]

^

[wraith bear]

with a few restrictions

size and ground/wall/flying are kept the same

[magic rover]

Also is Flukemarm intended to be broken and not spawn absolutely anything outside of her room?

[wraith bear]

probably not

did the boss spawn?

[magic rover]

Yes

But no enemies

[wraith bear]

uhh

[magic rover]

I found Flukemarm in Fungal wastes

[wraith bear]

yeah that's probably indirectly intended

because the flukes are getting randomized and that's breaking their position for some reason

some enemies seem to do that for some reason

[magic rover]

Elder Baldur sometimes spawns random enemies and sometimes not

should be stayed that way

I think the enemy that opens the WP door isn't randomized only

[wraith bear]

it won't randomize Wingmoulds and Kingsmoulds

[magic rover]

Oh ye Wingsmould is a must to not randomize

[wraith bear]

other than that it randomizes the general WP people

and also other enemies can be randomized into them

unfortunately, the bugs in Godhome don't count as enemies so I can't randomize them

which would have been chaos

[magic rover]

I have found Sly and AB but not a single Flukemunga

Pretty sure since in this new enemy randomizer version there is an option for godmaster enemies

[wraith bear]

oh

yeah they don't work yet

I'll just add the scene

are you running the mod installer version or one of the zips from here?

[magic rover]

I run Modinstaller

[wraith bear]

good

I'll add flukemunga tomorrow, I need to know it's code name

also do the stuff with the pantheons

[magic rover]

I bet the code name is something stupider than Mushroom Brawler

[wraith bear]

probably

[unborn flicker]

it's just Fat Fluke

[wraith bear]

ok

thanks

[rain cedar]

Vanilla game bug

[solar jacinth]

wh

[wraith bear]

Yeah I've seen that one a lot today

Reloading your save seems to fix it

I don't know if ER is causing it to happen more often than usual though

What mods are you using?

[magic rover]

That happened to me with the mods:CustomKnight, benchwarp, debug, item rando 2.A, QoL and ofc ER

[wraith bear]

Were you using BenchWarp?

As in actually using the mod functionality

[wraith bear]

Yes

I can read

I am asking about the actual warping in game

Not whether the mod was on

[solar jacinth]

k

[magic rover]

I didnt use it when I reopened up the game

[wraith bear]

Ok

[magic rover]

When I went down crossroads it was alot different

[wraith bear]

In what way?

[magic rover]

I couldnt go to the left side as it was blocked

Anyways internet being shit rn

[wraith bear]

Ok

I'm not on pc anyway so I can't change anything

I'll look into it properly tomorrow

[wraith bear]

Thought so

I think it's benchwarp

It only started for me when I started using it

Pale Champion is a boss version of Pale Lurker

The thing in the back room of the colosseum

I assume the other one is a boss version of Elderbug

There's a list of mod descriptions in the pins actually

[rain cedar]

Benchwarp works fine on its own

Which leaves me more inclined to believe enemy rando is breaking it

[wraith bear]

Yes I agree

The combination of the two is the problem

Possibly related to how ER randomizes enemies on scene transitions

But then I don't see how that could change the terrain

There will probably be a clue in the logs though

I'll test tomorrow

[unborn flicker]

If benchwarp has any role, then you'll get the same ER bug by dying anyways

Benchwarp isn't doing anything passively

[wraith bear]

That's true

That's probably a good way to test it actually

Actually, I think it might just be ER

Because I seem to remember it happening in a room with no bench

[little idol]

Hey guys! i´m having some trouble with the grimknight skin.. im doing everything in the instructions but the mod does not work :C

[young walrus]

screenshots

or more info

[little idol]

nothing really changes running the game

i should do something after copy the files in the modmanager app?

[rain cedar]

Now by "nothing changes"

I assume you actually mean "something changes, but not the something I want"

Is there text in the top left of your main menu?

[young walrus]

did you read the guide in pinned messages?

and use the installer?

[rain cedar]

modmanager app = installer, probably

I give it an 83% chance

[young walrus]

probably wrong version tho

if I had to guess

who knows

we have zero info

[rain cedar]

Well we know that "nothing really changes"

[young walrus]

lol

War....

[rain cedar]

modding-help should be first in the list so people go there

At least then I can ignore them more efficiently

[young walrus]

just add "development" to this channel

ezpz

[unborn flicker]

Yeah, I've made that suggestion to Simo

[little idol]

im reading that guide now.. srry im kinda dumb 😛

[unborn flicker]

IDK if/when he's going to make changes though

[rain cedar]

Making mickely staff was our 1 allotted change for this month

Wait a couple days for august

[little idol]

worked just fine 😄

tnx a lot

[young walrus]

hey, the instructions worked

yay

[unborn flicker]

#archived-modding-development-discussion will also be nice

[young walrus]

man who writes instructions for a living, has instructions that worked

[unborn flicker]

we need a place to send people

[rain cedar]

sugar please shut up

[young walrus]

"modding dev/disc" would be enough

just to stop all the random help questions

cuz it's split 1/2 and 1/2 right now

50/50 shot they'll pick the right channel

[rain cedar]

Seriously sugar I'm not joking

You offer nothing helpful

Ever

You just spam

Sure

Sick of your shit

Right because "np np shut up" is so helpful

[hazy sentinel]

wow he actually left

[young walrus]

nah, he's just offline

can still @ him

[copper nacelle]

no that just happens

he's not here

it'd say no roles if he was still here

[rain cedar]

Nutty

I didn't really want him to straight up leave everything but I guess that works too

[ornate rivet]

Sean please tell me to shut up and leave too so I feel bad, leave, and actually get stuff done

[young walrus]

no, ur stuck here

[ornate rivet]

unfortunate

[floral furnace]

salh do you have PC's source pushed online

[copper nacelle]

https://github.com/SalehAce1/PaleChampion

[floral furnace]

very nice ty

[weary oyster]

what is elderbug god

[copper nacelle]

unbelievable

i posted a video in sr-offtopic

https://youtu.be/fuFTmh14Xo4

[weary oyster]

incredible

[floral furnace]

watch him as he goes

[unborn flicker]

that is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen

Finally, got around to testing room rando generation times. Glad to see it's so consistent

It would be really embarrassing if it were just one really unoptimized method running insanely slower than everything else

[rain cedar]

Finding progression is the hardest part

It makes sense to be slower, but yeah not that much slower

[unborn flicker]

The hard part for transitions is the nested recursion for checking whether each possible progression transition actually gives access to a new unplaced transition

I was having it go through and find all progression transitions, but I suppose it would work just as well to just permute the list once and take the first progression transition found

[rain cedar]

Makes sense

If you want it to be random still you can randomly iterate the list

Instead of randomly choosing from the possible ones after iteration, which I assume is the current method

[unborn flicker]

Is there a way to to randomly iterate through a list?

[rain cedar]

You could make an extension for it fairly easily

[unborn flicker]

Yeah, sure. Getting a permutation from a while loop is fast and easy, though

[rain cedar]

Something like:
Make a list from 0-len
Randomly choose an index, take that as the iterator
Remove from list
Repeat

[unborn flicker]

And I don't think you get "more" randomness for rerandomizing each time you check the list

[rain cedar]

Does the list not have a deterministic order?

[unborn flicker]

Well, you could pull the list of transition names from logic manager, and then immediately resort them with the seed, and use that for the randomization

So the first allowed transition off the list would be the one given by the seed

[rain cedar]

Sure, go for it

[unreal robin]

dose anyone have a mod that allows you to redo path of pain?

[gilded lotus]

QoL

[unreal robin]

wat

[gilded lotus]

QoL mod on the modinstaller lets you redo PoP

[unreal robin]

oh thanks

wait is there a mac vertion

[gilded lotus]

yeah see pinned in #archived-modding-help

[unreal robin]

ok

[gilded lotus]

actually homothety got you

just read what he typed in there

[carmine quest]

okay, so probably wrong place to ask, but asking anyway, has anyone thought of an twitch integration mod, and let chat decide what happens in the game? for example spawn an enemy, give/subtract geo, heal, give soul, those kinds of things? i would like to get one, but i have no experience with modding, i could run a self-made python script that takes chat input parses it for commands and such, but i have no idea on how to do stuff in the game with it

[rain cedar]

If you're attached to the python idea you could communicate to the game over a socket similarly to the tracker

It would be easier to make a C# chat bot though

[carmine quest]

not for me it wouldn't 😅

[rain cedar]

There's gonna be C# either way

[carmine quest]

i have just a tiny amount of C# experience

hmm yeah true, but i would not know where to start without examples on the HK part, the twitch bot i have already made, and it's up and running

[rain cedar]

There some (slightly outdated) examples at https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/tree/master/ExampleMods

[carmine quest]

alright, time to download visual studio 😅

thanks

[rain cedar]

Rider works too, if you prefer it

I would recommend either that or visual studio + ReSharper

Not just the base visual studio

[carmine quest]

rider is jetbrains right?

[rain cedar]

Yeah

Same with ReSharper

[carmine quest]

alright, i'll download that then, because student license

[rain cedar]

Same

I have a school email forever

They don't take them away

Pretty slick

[carmine quest]

ah, yeah i just started so i still have it a couple of years xd

[wraith bear]

Looking at @peak panther 's playthrough with the old ER, I can at least say the blackness is an existing problem

By the way, did you encounter any other issues?

[floral furnace]

uhhh so i .gitignored my entire assets folder so i wouldnt push it on the repo but now compiling it, the game cant find the assets anymore , ie "no sprite with the name blah blah" does this mean i cant use gitignore or am just being dumb as usual

[copper nacelle]

gitignore should not affect compilation

[floral furnace]

i take that back

i just accidentally deleted the loadasset method when i was testing something in the init class

so uhhh

good job 56!

lmao yeah its fixed, first time i used gitignore so i thought this was causing it

[ornate rivet]

imagine using gitignore

[compact sedge]

ttacco you probably don't wanna gitignore assets

unless you want your project to be uncompilable to others

[meager furnace]

Hi I’m new to hollow knight and was wanting to get into modding for hollow knight. Where is a good place to start?

[copper nacelle]

https://github.com/seanpr96/HollowKnight.Modding/tree/master/ExampleMods

https://github.com/0xd4d/dnSpy/releases

https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/community/

https://github.com/nesrak1/HollowKnightFSMView/releases

https://radiance.host/apidocs/

[meager furnace]

Thx 👍👍

[safe hamlet]

np

[copper nacelle]

release your mod

[safe hamlet]

haven't worked on it

lazy

[copper nacelle]

lazy doesn't make hk mods

[ornate rivet]

Sid shut up
Seriously Sid I'm not joking
You offer nothing helpful
Ever
You just spam
Sure
Sick of your shit
Right because "np np shut up" is so helpful

[leaden hedge]

did sid delete his half of this conversation?

[hazy sentinel]

yes

[ornate rivet]

nah, this was a copypasta

[leaden hedge]

Ah the legendary 9 seperate lines copypasta

[ornate rivet]

I couldn't resist

[leaden hedge]

smh did sugar delete his half of that conversation

[ornate rivet]

should probably stop derailing modding before I get yelled at too

[leaden hedge]

Because it looks like half a conversation not a copypasta

[hazy sentinel]

sugar's half was meme then leave the server

[leaden hedge]

smh no memes allowed

They are banned now

[ornate rivet]

I think those were responses to sugar reacting with

[hazy sentinel]

he definitely sent some messages

[leaden hedge]

or

[ornate rivet]

idk wasn't there until mistah sugar left

smh this was supposed to be a meme

[safe hamlet]

bruh_sound_effect_v2

i am so sorry saleh, i will go cry in a corner now

[iron crown]

🇪 🇪 🇪 🇪

[deft epoch]

yep https://github.com/FrostBytesf/HK_AOE

it exists

at least now it exists

it's not done yet but it's in the works

The README.md has some basic plans for the mod

[hazy sentinel]

feels good to be back in my favorite image spam channel of the Hollow Knight discord

[violet quartz]

sorry

[gilded lotus]

#art-discussion

[jovial vault]

hmm

[unborn flicker]

Whoa, this is really cool. I'm picking up Sage for a math project

Do you use Sage much, @solemn rivet ?

[solemn rivet]

a what

[unborn flicker]

huh?

Basically, my project involves using combinatorial information off of a graph to get a rational function

Lots of Galois theory

[vale tiger]

Hey, guys does health bar mod exist?

[gilded lotus]

yes

anything further go to #archived-modding-help

[vale tiger]

Ok

[flat forum]

hey

somebody was working on EnemyRando a few days ago

any news on the updated version?

is it in the installer or is it just rotting somewhere in the channel

[magic rover]

The updated version is in the Modinstaller

[flat forum]

thanc

h

installer broke

where's the file I'ma do it manually

[wraith bear]

It's on the drive

Look in pins

What's wrong with your installer?

Probably need to download it again in incognito

@peak panther yes I'm asking you

[solemn rivet]

@unborn flicker oh, I see. I don't do much (or any) computational maths, so I don't really know sage

[unborn flicker]

I see. I wasn't sure whether or not that would be involved with representation theory, but I guess not

I got really excited over the group tools, even if a lot of them break for infinite cases

[solemn rivet]

No, I mean, lots of people in rep theory use it

Just not my specific niche

[floral furnace]

why does it feel like the wall surface colliders are incosistent, like it registers the hit INSIDE the walls instead of the surface, hence it eats the particles (even the sounds are kinda late), increasing the hitbox size doesnt seem to change much

it feels so random, this is just with OnTriggerEnter2D and checking if the layer is 8 (which is the surface layers)

[silk jetty]

wait you're making a gun mod

how much damage do the bullets do

[jovial vault]

:^) hahah who would make a gun mod

oh fuck

i have to do sprites

i forgot

[floral furnace]

varies adrain on distance+gun type

but yeah i could theoretically increase the hitbox sizes

but the last time i did that way way back, the projectile would get snagged on random colliders and ends up killing itself

[solemn rivet]

[solar jacinth]

hey taco

set the bullets friciton to 0

@floral furnace

if it doest wwork

set the bounciness

[dull plover]

will ya be able to upgrade your gun like you do lances from lightbringer and nail in game to increase damage?

[solar jacinth]

if that doesnt work

set the bullets layer to everything

sorting

[jovial vault]

@dull plover probably yeah

but there are also multiple guns so

extra work + balancing

[dull plover]

true

i just hope theres 1 charm change that makes piercing bullets

[grave heron]

Has anyone had their save file corrupted while modding

Everything was going fine until after I beat the Mantis Lords

[ornate rivet]

It's always best to save your save files if you care about them but no I have not had my files get corrupted.

[grave heron]

Thankfully I didn't care about this save file

I wanted to play a full modded playthrough but after I defeated the Mantis Lords I went to get the Mark of Pride

Then the mantis in that room had shut the door

I turned back and everything went black except for my character falling to the bottom of the area where the mantis lords are

[copper nacelle]

that is mantis gods

[grave heron]

Why though

[copper nacelle]

because it looks cool

[grave heron]

Is it becuase the game knew I modded?

Oh wait

nvm

But do i have to defeat them to put them back to normal?

[copper nacelle]

yes

[grave heron]

Can i deleted mantis gods to put it back to normal

[copper nacelle]

yes

[grave heron]

ok

thanks

I was scared I fucked up my file or something

Or that Team Cherry knew

[solar jacinth]

[ornate rivet]

modding isn't illegal

[safe hamlet]

it is tho

[ornate rivet]

not with team cherry

[solemn basin]

🚔 🚔 🚔

Let's see that defense hold up in court.

[acoustic badge]

We need someone to make a zote and pale king nosk fight

[solar jacinth]

ok

[acoustic badge]

would be best mod ever

[solar jacinth]

there i

s

xote skin

zote

btw

custom knight

[deft epoch]

@floral furnace how are you moving the bullet projectiles?

[ornate rivet]

rigidbody2d velocity?

[deft epoch]

you should be using rigidbody2d velocity

but people have manually moved projectiles by directly setting transform positions, taking control from Unity. very bad

[ornate rivet]

oof

[deft epoch]

or the alternative that I use if you want your projectiles to be kinematic for whatever reeason, use transform.Translate, which should produce almost the same effect if your projectile was being affected by forces.

[ornate rivet]

play and find out

+ Changes your character from melee to ranged
+ SOUL regenerates passively instead of from hitting enemies
+ Nail damage drastically decreased, ranged attacks deal 3+3*upgrades
+ Adds several new charms that augment your ranged abilities and more
+ Start out with only 4 HP and 1 extra charm notch!
+ Secrets!
+ Empress Muzznik!

[odd dome]

k

[ornate rivet]

why must they pain me so

[solemn basin]

New phase?

[ornate rivet]

nah, I want to have the flame pillars come off of platforms like they do in the phase before the oblobbles

so that there's a bit more time to react

[solemn basin]

Oh, gotcha.

[nimble lake]

;mod

;modding

what's the command

[fair rampart]

**Mods**

Google Drive with Mods
Installer
Mod Summaries

[floral furnace]

@solar jacinth im at work right now but ill try increasing the friction and see if it actually fixes the thing

@deft epoch projectiles are already kinetic, i have to account for 360 aiming so i check for player inputs first, convert it via sin and cos, then multiply them with the projectile speed that i want by adding those directly to the projectile x and y velocity

[deft epoch]

kinetic?

you mean kinematic?

just making sure

[floral furnace]

yeah yeah

kinematic

[deft epoch]

how are you applying movements?

[floral furnace]

hold on

[deft epoch]

of the projectiles that is

[floral furnace]

on the monobehaviour component attached to the projectile
FixedUpdate(){
rb2d.velocity = new Vector2((float)xDeg, (float)yDeg);
}

AddForce doesnt do jack shit

Saleh can attest to this right saleh?

[deft epoch]

yeah well AddForce shouldn't be doing jack shit

it's kinematic

[ornate rivet]

yes

[floral furnace]

i dont remember clearly but i think i did try it on a non kinematic before and it still didnt work, i might be wrong

[deft epoch]

so my question is why are you updating the velocity with the same value every fixed update?

[floral furnace]

thank you mr saleh man

inhindsight, i actually dont remember why

[ornate rivet]

they have a very good point mister ttacco

[deft epoch]

he

[ornate rivet]

ok sir

[floral furnace]

i should change that frost yeah

probably just a big dungo moment

[ornate rivet]

have you tried adding debug collider to the wall to see what the hitbox looks like btw

[floral furnace]

tbf last year i tried using debug colliders and it didnt work but ill try again once i get home

[deft epoch]

ehh seems like it wont change much but it'll tidy up your code

and who knows with the unity 2d physics engine?

[floral furnace]

ikr

[deft epoch]

if the walls are edge colliders then that might be the problem too because they're also broken to shit in unity

I haven't had problems with Edge Collider 2D yet so I dunno, just speaking on my friends behalf.

[floral furnace]

i just check for layer 8 anyway which is the games layer for all the surfaces but i think theyre just regular box colliders

dunno

[ornate rivet]

they're all boxcolliders

probably

oh wait ttacco said this

[deft epoch]

probably?

[ornate rivet]

you never know with tc

[floral furnace]

^

[ornate rivet]

they enjoy changing up the rules every now and then

[rain cedar]

A lot of collision in the game is edge colliders

[floral furnace]

oh well

alright then

[copper nacelle]

alright then dude

[floral furnace]

😔

[ornate rivet]

for (int i = 0; i < a.GetComponentsInChildren<ParticleSystem>(true).Length; i++)
    Destroy(a.GetComponentsInChildren<ParticleSystem>(true)[i]);

why is this not working

[copper nacelle]

eww

[ornate rivet]

pretend I am using foreach

[copper nacelle]

calling every iteration is terrible

foreach or no

try a local var before for looping

[rain cedar]

a.GetComponentsInChildren<ParticleSystem>(true).ForEach(b => Destroy(b));

I don't remember if .ForEach exists for arrays so this may or may not work

[ornate rivet]

that's not the only thing I'm doing in the for loop dungo

[rain cedar]

It is all you posted

[ornate rivet]

I simplified for pasting it here

since that's all that mattered

[rain cedar]

I have an easy solution

Put more than one thing in the lambda

[ornate rivet]

ok sir

[rain cedar]

I cannot believe it is 2019 and there's still no static class extensions

Could have something like Object.DestroyAll(ICollection)

Wtf .ForEach isn't even linq

[copper nacelle]

f# has them 😠

[rain cedar]

It's just a thing in List

I thought it was linq

[copper nacelle]

same

it's not even IList?

[rain cedar]

Nah

Would be really easy to add an extension to ICollection for it though

[copper nacelle]

yeah

ForEach<T>(this ICollection<T> col, Action<T> a)
{
     foreach(T t in col)
          a(t);
}

[rain cedar]

Very cool

[safe hamlet]

.ForEach is pointless and slower, just use foreach normally

[rain cedar]

It's not pointless, it's more compact

Readability matters too, it's why anyone uses linq

Because by that same logic linq is also completely pointless

[safe hamlet]

but it's not like foreach(...) is too unreadable

[rain cedar]

It's fine in most cases yeah

But if I only need to run 1 thing on everything in a list, I'd rather do it in 1 line than 4

[safe hamlet]

yea i get what you mean

ForEach is a lie 😤

[rain cedar]

These things happen

@leaden hedge I require assistance with CanvasUtil.CreateButton

This seems to just make a normal image panel

No text, not clickable

[unborn flicker]

I also had this issue when I was first working on Benchwarp

[leaden hedge]

Yeah,it has a mistake iirc

[rain cedar]

I see

Does CreateTextPanel also not work, then?

Because it uses that

[leaden hedge]

That works

The onclick is todo with needing a eventsystem maybe

The text not showing up is because the rectdata is wrong

[rain cedar]

Yeah I'm replacing that with the rectData passed in

Works

[leaden hedge]

Does the clicking not do anything

Or just not the action

[rain cedar]

It doesn't seem to do anything

But Idk what feedback there would be other than the callback

I haven't given it other sprites

I could try that

[dawn oxide]

can someone send the abyss ambience mp3

[leaden hedge]

Oh yeah only one sprite, if you send 3 it does hover/click

[rain cedar]

@dawn oxide 👉 google asset studio

[unborn flicker]

Does the hover/click work with the fixed rectdata though?

[dawn oxide]

i thought there was a zip with all the games sounds?

[rain cedar]

If there is it's not here

[leaden hedge]

Its on the image, not the text

So it shouldn't affect it

[unborn flicker]

It didn't work on the image for me, iirc

[leaden hedge]

Its probably because theres no event system for it

[rain cedar]

I don't have any event systems in debug

[leaden hedge]

Actually, try graphic raycaster on the button panel

Then try adding event system

[rain cedar]

Neither does anything

[leaden hedge]

It might be canvas order, if its below the main games one, clickthrough might be disabled

otherwise I dunno

[rain cedar]

I don't think it's that

I've put the z for the main canvas at -100

Ah

In CreateCanvas

Incredible

[unborn flicker]

That seems unfortunate

[rain cedar]

It's definitely not the desired behaviour

[leaden hedge]

bigbrain

Who would put that there

[rain cedar]

It's definitely a problem but not the only problem, apparently

Because it still doesn't work

Oh

There's code duplication between two CreateCanvas methods

And I changed the wrong one

[leaden hedge]

nice

[rain cedar]

It still doesn't work wtf

Ok blocksRaycasts false also kills buttons

It works now

[leaden hedge]

Oh weird

nice though

[rain cedar]

My dude Unity, those do not mean the same thing

[leaden hedge]

Yeah what if I want click through and collision

[rain cedar]

I guess you can't have that

[leaden hedge]

Also that might also affect toggle/radio boxes

[tacit plank]

Is there a mod to allow us to go through the game with bindings on to practice pantheons? I feel like I read that somewhere, but I can't find it now.

[rain cedar]

Yeah it's called bindings

[copper nacelle]

would mods being on pages with settings under them be better or clicking on the mod name to open a submenu

[rain cedar]

Pages meaning to get to mod z settings you have to scroll past mod a,b,c,etc?

[copper nacelle]

yes

[rain cedar]

That sounds terrible

[copper nacelle]

you're not wrong

i have this so far https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/601751326342381588/unknown.png

[rain cedar]

Nice

[copper nacelle]

should i add non-togglable mods to the menu then

[rain cedar]

If they have settings

You could have some attribute that can go on properties in mod global settings

To mark them as togglable via menu

Unless you already have a system

[copper nacelle]

that's probably a good idea

right now it just filters by FieldType being typeof(bool)

[rain cedar]

I see

[copper nacelle]

I was also thinking of adding something like ISerializationCallbackReciever but for when settings changes are made via the menu

so you could adjust the mod based on the changes

[rain cedar]

Makes sense

[warped sinew]

Hey guys a friend of mine is looking to make a website for his small business and asked me if I know any good places. He has no idea how to make one and was wondering if there are any services or templates he can use? I thought I'd ask you guys as i don't know shit about this haha

[fair rampart]

wordpress

[warped sinew]

Is there like an all in one package that makes the site, domain and hosts??

Ok ill check that out

Thanks

[unborn flicker]

wtf, this is so cursed

[rain cedar]

what

[unborn flicker]

This is in the context of how Sage distinguishes elements from different rings

I'll try not to post too much more of this stuff, but that needed

[safe hamlet]

what's a sage

[unborn flicker]

It's open source software for math computations, especially in computer algebra / abstract algebra

It's like Mathematica or Maple or Matlab, but free

[safe hamlet]

i see

very cool

[rain cedar]

Matlab 🤢

[safe hamlet]

matlab is free too

you just get the cracked version

[copper nacelle]

@unborn flicker python ints shouldn't be compared using is unless sage has a different is operator

python's is is used for reference equality

generally doesn't work for numbers beyond 255ish iirc

[unborn flicker]

yeah, I realized after I posted

that makes much more sense

Well, even if I get nowhere with sage, at least I'll finally pick up some python

[hollow pier]

🐍

[amber plank]

so i've got some questions about lightbringer charm interactions, like does eye of the storm, and nightmare stack damage and such

[dull plover]

probably

[fair rampart]

someone should make a mod that fixes grey prince zote not fall instantly when he does his nail-rush attack

[jovial vault]

You

[rain cedar]

ok buddy

[gilded lotus]

edit DebugMod.Global settings in your TC directory

[fair rampart]

**Saves**

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Save Files: %APPDATA%\..\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight\
Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\

Mac File Paths:

Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/

Linux File Paths:

Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/

[gilded lotus]

google key codes and just change them accordingly

i dont think there is a way to really "unbind" keys but maybe you can lay with some of those values and see

(Sorry I should have directed to help channel much earlier)

[copper nacelle]

If you remove the key-value pair it should unbind the thing

[rare barn]

Do you guys know where to get the Randomizer mod for 1.4.3.2?

The google drive version didn't work

[solar jacinth]

#randomizer

pins

[rare barn]

Alright, thanks

[solar jacinth]

no problem! enjoy your modded hollow knight! 😉

[rare barn]

wait, which link is it?

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1augPaSiyRdLYDrkLr6KNePbd0HG9AltS

is this the right one+

?

[wraith bear]

yes

[rare barn]

it doesn't work :(

[wraith bear]

which one are you getting from there?

[rare barn]

the dll in the Randomizer v2.A folder

[wraith bear]

yeah that should be it

[rare barn]

i put it in the managed folder of my hollow knight directory

[wraith bear]

oh

[rare barn]

in the mods folder

[solar jacinth]

oh

[rare barn]

sorry

[solar jacinth]

oh

[wraith bear]

no that's right

[magic rover]

So your not using Modinstalelr?

[wraith bear]

have you installed seanprcore

[rare barn]

seanprcore?

[wraith bear]

yep there's your problem

[solar jacinth]

:sigh:

[wraith bear]

it requires that

[magic rover]

Ye, it's need for Randomizer mods

[wraith bear]

go find that, it's on the drive

[solar jacinth]

dowbload t from the installer

[wraith bear]

or just use modinstaller

it's so much easier

[rare barn]

oh, i didn't see any link

can't see it here

[solar jacinth]

ok download from installer

scrol down

[rare barn]

i am so stupid

[magic rover]

Scroll down and then install SeanprCore

[rare barn]

didn't realise i could scroll down

[solar jacinth]

woha

[wraith bear]

F

[silk jetty]

smart

[rare barn]

yes indeed

[solar jacinth]

no problem! enjoy your modded hollow knight! 😉

[rare barn]

ok thank you, sorry for wasting your time

[magic rover]

PS:When you manunally install Randomizer v2.A and then you open Modinstaller it will say "Randomizer 2 is outdated" and just press no

[silk jetty]

nah thats fixed by changing the file name

I think

I think that got fixed

[magic rover]

Oh

[rare barn]

i installed it using modinstaller now

[wraith bear]

it really shouldn't change from the file name

[rare barn]

works great

[wraith bear]

but use 2.A

[magic rover]

2.A is latest

[wraith bear]

it's much more updated

and has area/room rando, more customization etc

[rare barn]

in hollow knight it says the version is 2b.18

is the 2.A newer?

[wraith bear]

it's newer than whatever's on the installer

[magic rover]

Did you press this?

[rare barn]

no

[magic rover]

You should for Randomizer v2.A (latest but not latest on Modinstalelr)

[rare barn]

ok, then, thanks

[magic rover]

Then just put the DLL in and ta da your brand new Randomizer v2.A

[rare barn]

yay 🎊

also, what is "RandoMapMod" in the modinstaller?

does it randomize the map? or does the normal randomizer do that?

[magic rover]

Randomizer helper

[silk jetty]

randomapmod just shows on the map where every charm chest and movement ability are

[rare barn]

oh i see

thanks again

[silk jetty]

so kinda nice but it's not everything

[magic rover]

And free maps talk to elderbug if you have RandoMapMod

[wraith bear]

plus some... interesting new dialogue

[silk jetty]

not really

it's very slightly interesting

[copper nacelle]

rude

[solar jacinth]

rude

toxic

[upper niche]

Ok, so my friend is trying to run hollow knight on his computer that has about as much processing power as a potato with a usb port. We've managed to get it running pretty smoothly by downing the resolution past the minimum for the game, but the particle effects and stuff when you do a spell, hit someone, get hit, etc, really lag out the game. Is there any way to completely disable them?

[solar jacinth]

how do you know that the problem i sthe particle fects

i almost finished a day without 56 maggotprimingme

p

[upper niche]

The game only lags when the particle effects occur

[scenic kernel]

wait...

there's mods for this game?

[magic rover]

yes

[silk jetty]

yes there are

[scenic kernel]

how do you get them?

[magic rover]

Or you can manunally install them

[scenic kernel]

ah

[solar jacinth]

@upper niche that doesnt proof anything

download qol

[upper niche]

Qol? What's that?

[solar jacinth]

a mod

[copper nacelle]

what

why

[solar jacinth]

it fixes it

also you might want to disable cutscene skips

[copper nacelle]

what

QoL does not change particles

[solar jacinth]

it fixes it

somehow

not particles

[copper nacelle]

what in fuck

[weak lodge]

because 56 made it

[solar jacinth]

particles isnt the problem

[copper nacelle]

okay then

[solar jacinth]

[upper niche]

Well, thanks then.

[copper nacelle]

@solar jacinth explain

[solar jacinth]

[copper nacelle]

this is not an explanation

@solar jacinth was it lagging before installing QoL but after installing the api

[solar jacinth]

well , one day i was playing hk and then sometimes at some particualr spikes (basically tinking things) wehn i salsh them it lagged the game so hard thtat it was 3 fps , it was happening on some tinking things not all , btw i already had the api , and then i downloaded qol and it worked

[copper nacelle]

that was an API update

At some point

[solar jacinth]

what

[copper nacelle]

There was a call to a really dumb method which I removed

yeah

It was on the tink spikes

[solar jacinth]

i see

[copper nacelle]

qol

😤

that's literally the mod

@upper niche i have this

idk if it'll do much but it sets a bunch of unity's quality settings

[solar jacinth]

where do i put this

[ornate rivet]

mods folder

[solar jacinth]

nerdr

ok ty

[copper nacelle]

don't me it's a good dll

[solar jacinth]

you deserve a hug for this

[copper nacelle]

no

[solar jacinth]

praise maggots

[copper nacelle]

i hate bash

and by i hate bash i mean i hate bash if statements

bash is good

[solar jacinth]

[copper nacelle]

don't me they're annoying

look at this

http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_07_01.html

[solar jacinth]

#justice for gnagghit

[copper nacelle]

jngo what do you think of the new icon

[solar jacinth]

i see

[fair rampart]

I love it

[copper nacelle]

what

[solar jacinth]

what indeed

[solemn rivet]

what

[fair rampart]

bash redundancy

[copper nacelle]

could you do like

[solar jacinth]

what

[copper nacelle]

if [!$(which mono)]; then
     # install mono
fi

[fair rampart]

I haven't used bash in a while

You're trying to install mono if it's a certain version?

[copper nacelle]

install mono if the user doesn't have it

The plan is download the .pkg and then use the cli tool for it

which is a shell builtin which returns the path of the util and has exitcode 0 if it doesn't exist

[fair rampart]

tru

idr but isn't not ~ in bash

or does ! also work

[copper nacelle]

it's !

~ is $HOME

[fair rampart]

omg I'm so out of practice

Oh ~ is not in fucking matlab

[copper nacelle]

~ is usually bitwise not

[jaunty garden]

hey
I heard that in the item-rando in randomizer version 2.9, there's only 16 hallownest seal are randomized.
So i want to ask that which one is not in the logic?

[young walrus]

Grub daddy

Unless you turn it on to be randomized

[jaunty garden]

well
i think i need to have a talk with the one who told me so.

[scenic kernel]

any recommended mods?

[wraith bear]

Randomizer - look in #randomizer pins

Redwing + Blackmoth

have you got the installer?

[scenic kernel]

what do these do

[wraith bear]

which

[scenic kernel]

all of them

[wraith bear]

randomizer - randomizes all abilities/charms etc

can also do rooms/areas

very customizable as well

[scenic kernel]

hm

interesting

[wraith bear]

blackmoth basically removes your nail damage

but you get constant sharp shadow from the start

[scenic kernel]

...

[wraith bear]

and redwing gives you fire attacks

they are supposed to be played together

[scenic kernel]

why tho

[copper nacelle]

i mean redwing is supposed to be played with blackmoth but blackmoth alone is fine

[scenic kernel]

I'm getting redwing for sure, but blackmoth idk

[solemn rivet]

Ok buddy

[scenic kernel]

?

[wraith bear]

if you want some chaos then you can try enemy randomizer

which, unsurprisingly, randomizes the enemies

with a few exceptions

although there are a few bugs still that I need to fix

[scenic kernel]

I'll look into these once I finish the game I think

[wraith bear]

yeah, you definitely want to finish vanilla first

[copper nacelle]

help

[scenic kernel]

thx

[copper nacelle]

bash functions can't return

you have to use globals or echo

cursed language

[fair rampart]

lol

[solemn rivet]

Don't shittalk my baby blackmoth

[copper nacelle]

https://streamable.com/jyzyy

if they fuck this up they deserve it

it even installs mono for you

it also downloads the newest modinstaller on first launch

instead of just keeping the exe in it from the start

[thorny quartz]

What determines the particle effect that plays when the Knight walks? I noticed there are leaves in greenpath and dust in most other zones, but I don't know how itselects them.

[ornate rivet]

Might be the room/zone?
I know when someone added a new block to the waterways, the player still made the splashing puddle particles on it.

[dark wigeon]

Ok I did it, custom editor monobehaviours are in so I can track IDs and diff components for saving now

That was much harder than I was expecting to add one component in lol

Then again it is unity

[dark wigeon]

Save support shouldn't take long. Save time will be longer but now everything can be modified instead of just transforms and load times should be quicker now with the new diff method I'm using

If you guys want I can release the new scene loader to test out