archived-modding-development

[rain cedar]

Happy to help

[copper nacelle]

why

:itdoesntwork:

[rain cedar]

Oh I don't think move overwrites by default

[copper nacelle]

need /y

Oh and the move is fucked now

Because the new csproj changes build location

[rain cedar]

Unfortunate

[copper nacelle]

another ../ has been added

[magic rover]

Welp the new enemy rando version doesn't work with rando v2.9.1 because when I load a new game I somehow get immediately sent to the Hornet battle and then when I close the game there are no options but Im probably doing something wrong

[wraith bear]

oh

yeah I think I know why

are you loading the enemy rando first?

[magic rover]

The LOAD ENEMY RANDOMIZER doesn't show up at all with Rando v2.9.1

[wraith bear]

right

and then you went into a game and back?

or tried to

[magic rover]

Ye

All I got was no options

All I saw was gm menu style and the title HOLLOW KNIGHT

[wraith bear]

right

yeah that happens sometimes

and was this a new save file?

[magic rover]

Correct

[wraith bear]

ok

[magic rover]

Sorry if Im kinda complaining too much

[wraith bear]

no it's fine

which rando mod are you using?

the one on the mod installer?

[magic rover]

#randomizer

From the google drive

[wraith bear]

ok I'll have a look

and what was happening with hornet?

[magic rover]

Her fight just started and hten it resets

[wraith bear]

ok

were you in king's pass first or just straight there?

[magic rover]

When I walked in king's pass I got an indimate transition to the Hornet fight

The knight walked foward and bam Hornet fight

[wraith bear]

ok

I'll have to fix this tomorrow

I'll ping you when I've done it

[magic rover]

Ok

[wraith bear]

ok

it's half fixed

it shows the full main menu when returning now

but it still doesn't have the load button

[copper nacelle]

If you wanted to, it'd probably be better to swap to the API's preload system

But that's a lot of work

[wraith bear]

I may as well just stick with what's already there

As long as I can get it to load the loading button from the start, I'll be happy

[copper nacelle]

Yeah

[wraith bear]

how are you doing with rebuilding the API?

[copper nacelle]

MonoMod has an issue with their custom attributes

so I'm looking at that now

I think it's because of access to a modified closure

Yeah I fixed it

😤

[wraith bear]

nice

@magic rover for your hornet, it's a debug flag

[copper nacelle]

probably because kerr was working on a hornet rewrite

[wraith bear]

if you press L at the right time it does that

yeah

it's part of the other error that was breaking it

I've disabled it

and also potential random healing and the menu change

[copper nacelle]

wow a hook now yeets my game

gaming

[wraith bear]

ok I've almost got it

[solemn basin]

Woah, enemy rando being fixed?

[wraith bear]

yep

sure is

and provided 56 can fix the API, it's going to be fully functional

[copper nacelle]

it's kinda fixed

[wraith bear]

minus a small bug which means you can't return to the main menu

[copper nacelle]

there's a certain method detour which is now a bit weird but i'm looking into that

but the memory leaks should be gone

[wraith bear]

on that note, I've fixed all issues related to the load button not showing up

it will now appear with or without the item rando when you load the game

I've also fixed some other stuff like removing random debug things

like randomly teleporting to hornet when you press L sometimes

[copper nacelle]

yeah enemy rando loads with qol now

[wraith bear]

awesome

well done

and I'll give you the updated dll

[solemn basin]

Is it fixing loading issues or also fixing things like bosses becoming things that break events or shades breaking things like colosseum?

[wraith bear]

uhh

[solar jacinth]

loading issue fixed?

[solemn basin]

Functionality is good enough for me, but curious.

[solar jacinth]

pog

[wraith bear]

oh no I've a lot of work to do

not yet

although I'll look into that stuff as well

it works at least

[solemn basin]

Awesome! Even with just the loading issue thank you for your work!

It is a fun mod to try for the novelty.

[wraith bear]

wow I never thought that I'd be talking to you today

or that I'd be fixing this mod either

i'm honestly not too sure how this happened

I was just like "I wanna play this - it doesn't work - I guess I'll try fix it"

[solemn basin]

Hopefully nothing involving being held at gunpoint.

[wraith bear]

haha no

[solemn basin]

I'm sure others will appreciate your efforts too. :)

[wraith bear]

yeah I hope so

[copper nacelle]

i don't want to update the api with this just yet because unity mono is fucked

sizeof(char) == Marshal.SizeOf(typeof(char)) but sizeof(bool) != Marshal.SizeOf(typeof(bool))

and as a result some stuff breaks for some On hooks, which a lot of mods use

[wraith bear]

this version will work with pretty much anything

or at least it should

[copper nacelle]

and by breaks I mean crashes the game immediately instead of after 400 scenes

[wraith bear]

but don't turn on the area randomizer, it doesn't work at all

use the new one instead

although that should be obvious

I'll remove the option at some point but I need to sleep now

[copper nacelle]

goodnight

😤

[solar jacinth]

[safe hamlet]

https://markoth.is-pretty.sexy/4e3zKpz.png

[solar jacinth]

monka

[copper nacelle]

yes

But it's important

Because if you look at the PR before that, that's what actually matters

There was a implicit capture of caHandler so it'd get set to the value of the second assignment even when the first was the non-null case

@safe hamlet

the second pr was just because #56 meme

[safe hamlet]

ah

[wraith bear]

where can I find a list of things like enemy names, scene ids etc.?

ok I found the scene ids

nvm, I've got a better way of doing it

@solemn basin I think I've fixed your issue with shades in the colosseum

could you elaborate on the other thing with bosses breaking events?

[magic rover]

Enemy Rando sometimes transports me to different tranisitions that aren't even supposed to happen for some reason

[wraith bear]

oh

which version?

[magic rover]

The 1 you made

[wraith bear]

the latest one?

[magic rover]

Ye this

[wraith bear]

I'll give you a new one with that fully removed

[magic rover]

Thanks!

[wraith bear]

but I'm pretty sure I got rid of the calls to that function

[magic rover]

Also I have seen the decrease of Collectors and Traitors, 0/10 /s

[wraith bear]

lol

I just keep getting watcher knights

I've had about 10 so far

[magic rover]

Elder Baldur spawned a Collector AND a Traitor suprisingly

[wraith bear]

nice

do you think I should add godmaster bosses in, abs. rad, pure vessel etc.

and nailmasters

[magic rover]

I would love that but that would also be horryfiying

Finding Sly out of nowhere to rek you

[wraith bear]

yep

I could add it as an option in the menu?

[magic rover]

That seems good

[wraith bear]

right

I'll just do that and then I'll give you the new version

[magic rover]

Your awesome!

Enemy Rando only randomizes enemies until version 1.3.1.5

[wraith bear]

of HK?

[magic rover]

Ye

[wraith bear]

mine or the old one?

lol it loads eternal ordeal as well

[magic rover]

both

[wraith bear]

huh

that's weird

I'll look into that

[magic rover]

Enemies randomized are until Lifeblood

Since the old enemy randomizer said version:1.3.1.5 in readme

[wraith bear]

have you tested this?

apparently it worked until voidheart

and it works for me on voidheart

[magic rover]

I play on cp

Only the enemies

[wraith bear]

ok

[magic rover]

of pre-godmaster were randomized

[wraith bear]

I think there's something going on with your version of the mod

[magic rover]

Sly, PV etc aren't randomized

[wraith bear]

ohh

right

[magic rover]

Ye that

[wraith bear]

no I totally misunderstood you there

sorry

[magic rover]

It's ok

[wraith bear]

it's because the mod was written pre-godmaster

it doesn't randomize bosses anyway though

[magic rover]

It does randomize Brooding Mawlek

[wraith bear]

yeah

because it's not technically a boss

[magic rover]

Isn't Collector also a boss and it's randomzied just not in the original position?

[wraith bear]

what do you mean?

[magic rover]

Collector can appear outside of the Love Tower

Just not randomized where you find him normally

[wraith bear]

yes exactly

other enemies can turn into bosses, but bosses can't turn into other enemies

[magic rover]

Ye

[wraith bear]

that's intentional

[magic rover]

However The Radiance is actually something.

Doesn't appear at all in her original place

[wraith bear]

yeah

radiance is broken

that's one of the things that I need to fix

[wraith bear]

this will reset your settings, so make sure to change them before loading a save

I've added an option for godmaster enemies, but I might have missed something

if you notice anything weird just let me know

I also (hopefully) fixed a bug with shades in the colosseum

also I pushed everything to a new github repo if anyone wants the source code https://github.com/Fireball248/EnemyRandomizer

[magic rover]

So for the option of godmaster enemies/bosses i have to enable it on the main menu?

Found it!

[wraith bear]

I'm pretty sure it should work

I couldn't be bothered resetting until I found a godmaster enemy, but it tried to turn something into an ordeal zoteling when the setting was off and it failed, so I think it SHOULD work

and I can finally actually play it now

[magic rover]

Hey it's working

[wraith bear]

lol

excellent

was that your first enemy?

[magic rover]

Ye

[silk jetty]

inb4 absrad in like every room

[magic rover]

Now Sly is just stuck in a hole while spinning

This is funny to see ngl

When I pogo on an enemy the hit doesn't count or probably Sly broke it

[wraith bear]

that's weird

I doubt it's the enemy rando though, afaik it doesn't mess with hit detection

oh

yeah it probably is actually

it's probably generating the incorrect hitbox

[silk jetty]

hitbo

[wraith bear]

didn't press x hard enough

or at all apparently

[silk jetty]

I have some keys that are like that

where I have to press surprisingly hard for it to register

[wraith bear]

nah it isn't that I just pressed it really lightly

[warped sinew]

poor sly

[magic rover]

Ye, poor Sly

[wraith bear]

this guy is inside the rock

I think there's something up with the rotation code

[magic rover]

That happens every time

[wraith bear]

and the scaling code

[magic rover]

Also ye, the hitboxes seem to fucked

[silk jetty]

the scaling happened like that before

[magic rover]

^

[silk jetty]

it's supposed to do that i think

[magic rover]

Probably to fit the area

[wraith bear]

yeah I know

but it still looks really weird

[magic rover]

Okay some news: When I restarted the game the hitboxes got fixed

[wraith bear]

ok

that's good to know

if it happens again I'll look into it in more detail

I think there's something wrong with the zotelings

it's just staying there and spinning really fast

oh well

[magic rover]

Also found a sound effect problem:When I hit False Knight it does when the Maggot getting hit without the armor

[wraith bear]

ok

first item

[magic rover]

The descrpitions are amazing

[wraith bear]

also why is this so expensive

[silk jetty]

because it doesnt unlock anything currently

and is basically useless

[wraith bear]

ok

[silk jetty]

actually it doesnt unlock anything period

[wraith bear]

well this is a problem

[magic rover]

You can get past him

[silk jetty]

tank

[wraith bear]

ik

or just leave and come back

also mantis claw from false knight

that's pretty good

and apparently the main menu softlock got fixed somewhere in that

[silk jetty]

wasn't the main menu softlock mostly just because it's intended for a different api?

[wraith bear]

possibly

but still, I don't see what fixed it

I haven't changed anything other than adding the godmaster enemies

also this

[silk jetty]

that means that even without your claw you could get to fungal

[flat forum]

Taken The Lurien

[iron crown]

Lurien

[wraith bear]

actually it was really bad to get that there because it infected the crossroads

[iron crown]

oh god

[wraith bear]

which makes navigating them a massive pain

[wraith bear]

winged nosk is also totally broken here

not sure if it's because of the terrain or just because it doesn't work

[silk jetty]

well, it's some free literally nothing

[wraith bear]

yep

I just found an invisible Grimm and an invisible Hollow Knight

[iron crown]

free soul extremely useful

[wraith bear]

and it still drops geo for some reason

[iron crown]

how did you find them they're invisible

[wraith bear]

well, I first noticed when my health suddenly dropped and grimm shot his fire everywhere

and the infection particles from HK

no clue why they were invisible though, I'll have to try fix that

[magic rover]

Found a spinning zote

[solemn basin]

@wraith bear That's awesome! Siblings broke gauntlets (which you could no clip out of) but the colosseum was generally not able to be completed as it would just break.

The other two problems I remember is that trying to get into the White Palace required turning Enemy Randomizer off, as the Kingsmould would change to something else and killing it wouldn't open the door to enter the WP. But the other thing is certain events break if bosses change to something else - if you go to Brooding Mawlek's room and kill whatever random thing BM changes to the mask shard won't spawn. The Hollow Knight and Radiance will change to random enemies too, so you can't finish the game going to their rooms. You have to win the game by killing the Hollow Knight where it shows up outside the Black Egg.

Which can lead to something funny like beating the game in under ten minutes with 0% completion.

[magic rover]

I found Absolute Radiance a while ago

[wraith bear]

Yes I think all that is fixable

I took siblings out of the colosseum and gauntlets, and I'll look into the colosseum issues as well

Everything else should be do-able by just having a list of specific instances of enemies that can't be randomized

Although other bosses aren't changed, so I don't see why HK and Radiance would be an exception

[magic rover]

Isn't there a Grub Mimic glitch where if it turns into anotehr enemy and then why you kill it the colosseum won't contuine on too?

[wraith bear]

ok

I'll try sort that

again, should be easy to fix by stopping it from being changed

[magic rover]

Some things don't need to be randomized ye

Would the game break if Hornet was actually randomized?

[wraith bear]

I don't think she is randomized

but it probably would

[magic rover]

Ye she isn't

[wraith bear]

yeah

I think that HK is checking for a certain enemy to be killed in boss rooms

so obviously if that enemy doesn't show up, the check will never pass and it won't let you continue

[magic rover]

Also here's another thing:The charm notch in Fungal Wastes doesn't drop with Enemy Randomizer pretty sure

[wraith bear]

yeah

that's the same thing

what should the enemies be?

[magic rover]

Shouldn't the enemies be the normal ones?

Aka unmodded area

room*

[wraith bear]

yes

[magic rover]

Im really glad someone who knows how to code is fixing Enemy Randomizer, meanwhile I can't even code

[wraith bear]

I'll just need to look for all the places where you get an item from killing something

and also find a way to disable randomization in certain areas

which should be very easy, as there is already a case for the colosseum where certain enemy types are exempt

the only problem is stopping the game from ending when you kill HK normally

or radiance probably

[wraith bear]

how can I get the current scene number?

nvm I figured it out

[solemn basin]

It should be shrumal ogres in the fungal wastes at the charm notch.

[wraith bear]

ok got it

I think it should be almost ready tbh, then it'll just need config for which enemies

hopefully I'll be able to fix the colosseum with this too, but I'll have to test that later

[solemn basin]

Nice!

[wraith bear]

OH NO

IT'S CRASHING AGAIN

I don't even know what's wrong with this damn white defender

this shouldn't even have a memory leak

I'm not running QoL or rando map mod

ok

and now it's fine again

that was weird

and now it's crashed again

@copper nacelle I'm having issues with white defender again for seemingly no reason

QoL and map mod aren't installed

[unborn flicker]

56 proven innocent after all 😤

[wraith bear]

huh

[unborn flicker]

Your conclusion from yesterday was that On hooks were causing a memory leak right?

[wraith bear]

it seems to be fine as long as you don't alt-tab away from HK

yes

I don't see why it's changed though, I haven't messed with the loading code or anything to do with on hooks

oh well, I'll just add it to the readme

at any rate, I've got the rando blocker working

I'm just testing on these guys for now

so I'll change it to block HK, Radiance and the Shrumal Ogres in their specific places

and it should be easy to add new cases, should I need to later

although there are still issues with it

oh

I just wasted a bunch of time there

or not actually

ignore me

[magic rover]

THK, radiance and Ogres arent randomized anymore?

I forgot to mention this but what about Flukemarm, the boss spawns a charm when you defeat it but boss is randomized

[wraith bear]

I think so

I'm just trying to get debug mod to work with me so I can test it

and I'll add flukemarm

[unborn flicker]

You may want to add Benchwarp if you aren't already using it for testing. It's quite a bit faster than noclipping with debug

[wraith bear]

yes

good idea

thanks

[magic rover]

Benchwarp also gives the scene names

[wraith bear]

yeah

I think (only tested the first one so far) that colosseum is working now

although I need to double check I actually get the correct rewards

although zote never shows up

still, I got the charm notch

I'll just check the other two, then I'll do HK and Radiance

and the ogres

There is a small problem of things turning into weavers and therefore going invisible until you go on exactly the right spot

so I'll stop that from happening

very easy to do that

[solemn basin]

Did you also fix the Kingsmould outside the White Palace?

[wraith bear]

ok I'll do that as well

I'm having an issue with Trial of the Conqueror, one of the enemies is fully disappearing

no trace in the logs either

ohh

no I got it

[magic rover]

Enemies disappearing? Had that issue in Crossroads aspids arena but I can noclip out

[wraith bear]

soul twisters break colosseum apparently

and I guess volt twisters too

I've disabled both

weirdly, Kerr had them disabled for normal gauntlets but not the colosseum

[magic rover]

Arent those in colo 3?

[wraith bear]

yeah

but they teleport away when the rando chooses them

to change something else into

I think

[solemn basin]

A few enemies are weird like that. Collector showing up in rando is him screaming then jumping through the ceiling to fly to his home planet.

[jovial vault]

incredible

[flat forum]

is new HK Level editor our already

[solemn basin]

Having the Hollow Knight change into the Collector and then jump into the ceiling for the dramatic finale was pretty funny.

[wraith bear]

yeah I've had that one before lol

[magic rover]

Traitor Lord makes unproper entrances

[jovial vault]

level editor has been out for a while

[flat forum]

it's been like a month since you figured out how to fix the bug

[jovial vault]

bother nes

[flat forum]

@dark wigeon

[magic rover]

Also Collector doesn't seem to spawn random enemies in his original place Good since Collector would be more powerful than Elder Baldurs

[wraith bear]

yep it was the mages

it's fixed now

[magic rover]

Welp Collector now is offically the most powerful boss in the world

[wraith bear]

grub mimic is fixed, I think you said there was something wrong with it before?

I have it disabled now

so it won't change

[magic rover]

Ye

[wraith bear]

also colosseum is a mess

thankfully I can 1-hit everything with debug

[magic rover]

Really is a mess

[wraith bear]

but it spawns so much random stuff

one wave was a watcher knight and a brooding mawlek

[magic rover]

I wonder what will happen to God tamer

[wraith bear]

it unfortunately can't spawn Radiance

[magic rover]

Wait, can Radiance still be spawned outside of it's original place and colo?

[wraith bear]

yes

it's just disabled for colo

as with some other stuff

[magic rover]

Ah

[wraith bear]

I guess so you don't get an ending in the middle of it

[magic rover]

Imagine THK spawning in Colo

[solemn basin]

You can't kill Radiance for an ending out in the world.

[magic rover]

^

[solemn basin]

She'll get staggered, fly up, and disappear.

[magic rover]

The acid is also her weakness

[solemn basin]

But you can kill the Hollow Knight for an ending.

[magic rover]

I love the fact the bosses can die to acid

[solemn basin]

And if you have Void Heart Hornet will show up if you weaken THK out in the world, allowing you to reach Radiance's room.

[magic rover]

And when you "challenge" The Radiance no more

[wraith bear]

oh right yeah of course

that's why radiance is banned

you can't kill her

[dark wigeon]

Yes even the people on YouTube are bothering me

I got a thousand other things going on but I'll tell you when I have more progress

[jovial vault]

isn't it summer break

[wraith bear]

trial of the conqueror works

just fool left

oh no

ok just don't do trial of the fool

it's totally wrecked

it spawns the first 10 or so waves at once

then lost kin showed up and it broke

[solemn basin]

Sounds legit.

[wraith bear]

oh no I forgot to save after conqueror

so now I have to do it again to test fool

[magic rover]

Is it best to disable more bosses than just Radiance to not be in the colossuems?

[wraith bear]

there are more

most of it was already taken out by Kerr

lost kin breaks it, so I removed that

if you have any issues with bosses, just let me know and I'll take them out in future

but for now I'll leave them in

[magic rover]

Watcher Knights don't seem to break colo

[wraith bear]

although that might be a bad idea

Uumuu would break it though

I'll make sure to block that

[magic rover]

What about Nosk?

[wraith bear]

uhh

no idea

probably

I'll disable it

loodles don't change for some reason

I think that's for the best though

the rotation would break everything

wait no

everything is broken now

nothing is randomized

[magic rover]

Because of the loodles?

[wraith bear]

ok let's just go with don't do fool

[magic rover]

Wait wha

[wraith bear]

it isn't required for completion

[magic rover]

Required for 112%

[wraith bear]

yeah but it still works

just not totally randomized

[magic rover]

So fools randomizes nothing?

[wraith bear]

ahhh

I see

so basically, if it can't find a replacement, it stops the program from looking for replacements until the scene changes

so the loodles break everything

if I disable them it should fix it

actually, they aren't included in the main randomizer

[magic rover]

Wait, are you talking about the upgraded loodles?

[wraith bear]

I should be able to fix it completely

yes

[magic rover]

I know this kinda nit picky but they are called death loodles

[wraith bear]

ok

or in the code, they're called 'Colosseum Grass Hopper' for some reason

all the enemies have really weird names

it makes it so hard to figure out what things are

[magic rover]

True

The names are stupid, just like the room names

[wraith bear]

yep

[thin bolt]

cries in bad pc so no hk mods for me

[wraith bear]

I'm just going to hope Uumuu isn't in the rando because I'm not going to try figure out what it is in this

[safe hamlet]

have you seen

MEGA FAT BEE

[wraith bear]

Crystal Guardian is Zombie Beam Miner

I have no clue what a Flukeman is

Zombie Fungus A is apparently a Shrumal Ogre

although I'm not certain on that

[magic rover]

Is Enraged Guardian Zombie Beam Miner 2?

[wraith bear]

I assume so

OH NO

I really hope this works, I want to keep them in

[magic rover]

Oh

Kill them fast as possible or enable infinite hp

[wraith bear]

I fixed the death loodles

I've got all the cheats on

I'm 1-hitting everything, infinite soul, invinciblity

oh hello there

he's just stuck in midair

definitely taking him out

I think that was supposed to be god tamer

[flat forum]

wait what version are you on?

[wraith bear]

of HK?

just the latest one

[flat forum]

so it works properly?

[wraith bear]

yes

well no

but it randomizes things

as you can see, there are still issues

but it worked as it did in the past

I'm fixing the issues which were in it then

huh, it wasn't god tamer

I guess NKG just breaks it

somewhat unsurprisingly tbh

[flat forum]

in what ways does NKG break?

[wraith bear]

the trial stops

and he doesn't do anything other than standing still in the air

[flat forum]

mhm

[wraith bear]

plus I think it's unfair to have to potentially fight NKG in Trial of the Fool

[flat forum]

I mean

I love the NKG fight

and I'm willing to fight him anywhere anytime

if you ain't prepared to fight a random NKG/Pure Vessel in the middle on nowhere das ur fault

[wraith bear]

haha I guess

but still

although I can't argue

anyway, it wasn't him breaking it

it was something else

so for now I'll just leave it

I'll come back to this another time

for now I'll test HK and Radiance

and then get the other fixes done

[unborn flicker]

Royal Guard 🙂

[wraith bear]

no actually

Royal Gaurd

at least according to the logs

also I just got here and flukemarm is already dead

[unborn flicker]

Yes, it is a Royal Gaurd, and killing it broadcasts ROYAL GUARD KILLED

[wraith bear]

ah ok

[unborn flicker]

so what was killed? the great mystery

The Fluke corpse is probably loaded whenever Fluke is absent

[wraith bear]

so that flag is the thing preventing you from getting into WP

ok

any idea what Flukemarm's name is in code?

[solemn basin]

Homothety, forgot to mention but finished Room Randomizer and had a blast. Thank you for a fun time getting lost. 😃

[unborn flicker]

Fluke Mother

[wraith bear]

ok I thought so

[unborn flicker]

The scene dump is handy for this sort of thing, but you have to know the room names

[wraith bear]

I've got that correct in my code so it must be something else

yeah I found it in there

it might be that I killed one in the colosseum?

[unborn flicker]

Royal Gaurd is much worse than Dusk Knight, the superior name used for the dead one in Ancient Basin

TC consistency tho

[wraith bear]

yep

I think Flukemarm should be fine, the item was there and that's the main thing

[magic rover]

Who is Dusk Knight?

[unborn flicker]

You said you already killed Flukemarm in that playthrough

?

[wraith bear]

ok I think HK is here

but he is invisible, as usual

yes

[unborn flicker]

The charm checks for flukeMotherDefeated before it spawns

[wraith bear]

ok

that would be it

[unborn flicker]

probably should set that manually in the mod

[wraith bear]

right, will do

I got to an ending at least, so HK definitely spawned

any idea why he might be invisible

and Grimm was also invisible btw, when I found him earlier in the wild

[unborn flicker]

that's a vanilla glitch, but it could also be triggered by the mod

[wraith bear]

ok

at any rate, he's in his room now

and I'm assuming Radiance is in her room too

I'll just grab voidheart to check

ah, there he is

-noheap fixed it

@solemn basin there's your HK fix

how do I get hornet to show up

I cba to play the entire game to test this

or for that matter get to radiance's room

[unborn flicker]

easiest way to get Hornet is to noclip into Birthplace and pick up Void Heart

debug won't work

because it doesn't set one of the Void Heart bools

[solemn basin]

Awesome.

[wraith bear]

ok I see

I'll do that

this is pretty apt actually

Then I got Soul Tyrant, Radiance, Xero and No Eyes on the same room

[magic rover]

The Birthplace is somehow full of bosses

[wraith bear]

Enemy Randomizer: now with Radiance

now I just need to fix Kingsmould

I totally deserve this achievement and definitely did not use cheats

should I just turn off randomization in WP entirely

[leaden hedge]

Maybe just for flyers

[wraith bear]

it would be really easy to do, and would fix potential issues with wingmoulds

right

and obviously for the kingsmould at the start

[magic rover]

the wingsmould being randomized is terryfiying

[wraith bear]

he is fixed

[magic rover]

Then again a person tried to do Path of Pain Enemy Randomizer

[wraith bear]

oh god no

why

and as is the door

[magic rover]

That person was simply bored

Never got to the first check point anyways

[wraith bear]

yeah I'm not surprised

[magic rover]

And that goes to

[wraith bear]

this version fixes pretty much all of the bugs that I know about

minus trial of the fool

which doesn't work

and possibly some stuff that I missed, but mostly it should all work

the vitals at least

WP is accessible, and HK and Radiance are both in their rooms

the first two trials work

[gilded lotus]

[magic rover]

Thank you for fixing Enemy Randomizer

Truly a hero

[wraith bear]

aww no need for that

it was no problem

thanks for your help today with bugs and such

[gilded lotus]

does this mean we can remove the "(currently broken)"

[wraith bear]

if someone uploads it to the drive / mod installer then yes

except not totally

it still breaks with QoL, rando map mod and probably some others

[magic rover]

I installed 4 enemy randomizee 7zip files today

[gilded lotus]

i'll add that to the mod summaries

[wraith bear]

at least until 56 updates the API with the memory leak fix

but I don't know a thing about that so you'll have to talk to 56

[gilded lotus]

how bad does it break with those mods

[magic rover]

I have enemy randomizer v0.3.0 rn

Works with QoL

[wraith bear]

like it doesn't load at all

have you got 56's updated assembly c sharp though?

and updated QoL

[gilded lotus]

ok ill just put "May experience loading issues with the following mods:"

[wraith bear]

yeah that sounds good

[gilded lotus]

[wraith bear]

56 does have a fix, but it's not ready yet

I tried it and it breaks some other stuff

anything with on hooks

[magic rover]

Im playing with the zip file Fireball sent

[wraith bear]

yeah but did you install the new assembly and QoL from yesterday?

or are you on the default ones

[magic rover]

I didn't download any assembly

[wraith bear]

huh

maybe it does work then

[magic rover]

This

[wraith bear]

regardless, it couldn't hurt to put the warning in

let me try with QoL actually

[magic rover]

I mean, I can confirm

[wraith bear]

ok

yep working for me as well

it wasn't yesterday, that's so weird

I'll try with rando map mod too

[magic rover]

What have I done to my downloads file

[wraith bear]

yep it works with both

better tell 56

@copper nacelle I somehow fixed the loading issues completely

either that or found the real problem

if you switch to a different window while enemy rando is loading, it crashes it at 88% (previously 94% - due to Godmaster)

that's the problem, not the other mods

so don't do that under any circumstances

it does say that in the readme

so hopefully people will get the idea

and so, I do believe that this mod is fully fixed

[magic rover]

Fireball, are you open for DMs if I found a glitch/bug?

[wraith bear]

yeah no problem

I think, let me go check my settings

[solemn basin]

Does this enemy Rando work with room Rando?

[wraith bear]

uhh

probably?

I'll just go check

I don't see why it wouldn't

oh yeah, you said you were planning that next

this will be chaos

[magic rover]

I once tried Enemy Rando + AreaRando (old version)

It worked

[solemn basin]

Gotcha, was curious. I'm going to try insofar as it is possible.

[magic rover]

Traitor Lord not making proper entrances seems fixed

[wraith bear]

ok

I didn't do that btw

probably just got lucky

[magic rover]

Oh

Then this run is already invalid /s

Now I to kill Traitor Lord old nail no spells

[wraith bear]

how long is it supposed to take to generate the transition randomization?

because HK stops responding when I do that

[rain cedar]

It's a pretty naive algorithm still I think, so potentially a very long time

[wraith bear]

right, good

just checking it wasn't enemy rando breaking it

[rain cedar]

Since it can make bad mappings, then toss them out and start over

[wraith bear]

ok

[unborn flicker]

It's somewhat naive, but that isn't the slow part

It generally finishes >50% of the time

The slow part is iteratively identifying which transitions are available whenever a new transition is unlocked

Probably could optimize it a lot by flagging which transitions can have effects outside of their room, and then otherwise only screening transitions in the same room for unlocks

[wraith bear]

regardless, it works perfectly with the enemy rando @solemn basin

[solemn basin]

Awesome!

Thanks for all your efforts Fireball!

[magic rover]

Cranky, good lukc trying out Enemy Rando +Roomrando you need it

[copper nacelle]

@wraith bear were you trying it with the new API or no

[wraith bear]

this was all with the old API

[copper nacelle]

wtf

scammed

[wraith bear]

ikr

[dawn oxide]

do enemy randomizer and room randomizer work together

[wraith bear]

it didn't work yesterday at all

yes

I'll just double check, but I'm pretty sure it's the old one

[copper nacelle]

I'm gonna try tabbing out with the new API and see if that works or if it's just entirely tabbing out

[gilded lotus]

do you think there's any real reason enraged guardian gets so many spawns

or is it placebo

[wraith bear]

no clue

It shouldn't get as much as it does

[dawn oxide]

why are qol and room randomizer not compatible?

[wraith bear]

they are now

that is outdated

[dawn oxide]

oh

nice

sorry not room randomizer
enemy randomizer

[wraith bear]

just remember to not switch to another window while enemy rando is loading

and then they work

[dawn oxide]

i can never use enemy randomizer because it takes forever

and oh

[wraith bear]

keep HK on top and focused

oh right

yeah if it took forever before it will take forever now

[magic rover]

This is totally fine and not glitched :)

[wraith bear]

unless it was getting stuck on a certain percentage (94%)

yep I've seen that before

[dawn oxide]

i think i have to reinstall the mod loader
im getting an error when it loads

[wraith bear]

no idea why

oh yeah

it does that sometimes

the enemy rando in there is old btw

[dawn oxide]

it says its unable to download the mod list

oh

[wraith bear]

you'll need my new copy

[dawn oxide]

how do i install mods manually

[magic rover]

Enemy rando in modinstalelr is v 0.2.x

[gilded lotus]

see the pins of #archived-modding-help

[wraith bear]

and you can get the .dll in here

[dawn oxide]

thanks

can someone link the google drive

[gilded lotus]

in the pins

[wraith bear]

check pins

actually @copper nacelle I think I might have been using the new API after all

[rain cedar]

hmmm

[wraith bear]

although DJ Pichu said it works without

idk

It breaks for me when I switch windows during loading

which could possibly be causing the memory leak?

but then I don't see how that could've been broken yesterday and fine now

oh well

maybe DJ Pichu is just misremembering

regardless, it works

with at least some combination of mod and API

[dawn oxide]

where can i find the room randomizer and the general randomizer?

[wraith bear]

in #randomizer

look in the pins again

[dawn oxide]

is the first pin the room randomizer?

[wraith bear]

you're looking for version 2.9.something

no, it's one mod for both

by homothety

[dawn oxide]

gotcha

[wraith bear]

3rd pin, 1st link

[dawn oxide]

gotcha

thanks

[wraith bear]

np

are you going to run enemy rando as well?

[dawn oxide]

yes

[gilded lotus]

2.9.1 is the bundled one

[dawn oxide]

its labeled as old

[gilded lotus]

silly homothety,A isn't a number

i guess 2.A is the latest version now

[wraith bear]

yes, the installer will label any mods that it doesn't have the same version of as old

the version on the installer is 2.0.0 I believe

it will do the same thing with my version of enemy rando

on that note, if you encounter any bugs, please let me know, either with a ping on here or a DM

[spiral steppe]

my pc is dying to ER loading

is this normal

[wraith bear]

yep

[dawn oxide]

so i need to download the .dll in Randomizer V2.A?

[wraith bear]

as long as it doesn't stall on 88%

yes that's right

[dawn oxide]

like what do i need to get here

[spiral steppe]

im just hearing random sound effects and music

[wraith bear]

yes great

that means it's working

it loads all the scenes and saves the enemies

are you using the mod installer version or mine?

[spiral steppe]

Mod installer

[wraith bear]

ok

close HK

you need mine

that one is totally broken

[spiral steppe]

uh okay

[dawn oxide]

so its the dll the only thing i put in the hollow knight files?

[wraith bear]

it's the same mod but it actually works

yes

in managed/mods

[dawn oxide]

ok cool

[wraith bear]

and both of you remember to keep Hollow Knight as your active window until it's done loading ER

so don't alt-tab onto something else or anything like that

[spiral steppe]

idk man are you sure you're not tricking me into a virus?

[wraith bear]

no I promise

someone back me up here?

@copper nacelle

[copper nacelle]

yes

[wraith bear]

my ER isn't a virus right

[full tartan]

i wish i have the game....

[copper nacelle]

that is correct

[wraith bear]

@spiral steppe ^

thanks

[spiral steppe]

uh k

so how do i install yours

[wraith bear]

so download the zip, then find your HK installation

in steamapps/common whatever

or wherever you have it installed

then find the folder with the hollow_knight_Data folder

and copy the same folder from the zip into there

alternatively, go into hollow_knight_Data/Managed/Mods and copy the .dll in the zip into there

[copper nacelle]

The installer also has a install manually button which takes zips/dlls

[wraith bear]

oh does it

yeah do that

it's probably easier

can someone just put my version of this into the installer so I don't have to go through this every 5 mins

[dawn oxide]

it didnt work
it said to check mod.log
which i dont know where to find

[wraith bear]

Ok

%appdata%

Type that into your search bar in the windows menu

Then go to the AppData folder (one above Roaming)

[copper nacelle]

modcommon

[wraith bear]

Oh yeah

And that

It's on the installer

[iron crown]

i wish i have the game....

[wraith bear]

That should probably fix it

@dawn oxide you got that?

[dawn oxide]

yeah

[copper nacelle]

i can confirm the game does not like alt tabbing

even with an api update

the allocation size is lower though i think

@wraith bear Does enemy rando call gc?

forcing a collection might make it so you can alt-tab

it does

easy game

it turns out loading 400 scenes in a row is slightly bad for memory usage

If you have a github I'll pr the fix

also I updated the version on the installer

[wraith bear]

Great

[copper nacelle]

are you the guy who forked like 4 hk repos or is that some random guy

[wraith bear]

Not me

[copper nacelle]

nice

[wraith bear]

I'll give you a link

https://github.com/Fireball248/EnemyRandomizer

I can't remember if I pushed the latest version

But it shouldn't matter for changing the loader

[copper nacelle]

ah

i checked github forks but yours isn't a fork

this makes sense

[wraith bear]

Oh sorry

Didn't think about that

I'm an idiot

[copper nacelle]

it's fine

no harm

https://github.com/Fireball248/EnemyRandomizer/pull/1

[wraith bear]

Great

[rain cedar]

Ah the TC approach

[wraith bear]

So this should fix the loading issues?

[rain cedar]

Force GC on an arbitrary interval

[copper nacelle]

😤

yeah

idk what else to do

if you don't force it the game just dies

[rain cedar]

I guess that's a unity issue

[copper nacelle]

yeah

Even just Unity's UnloadUnusedAssets doesn't work well enough

[wraith bear]

I've merged it

[copper nacelle]

[wraith bear]

I'll test it myself later, I'm not on my pc right now

[rain cedar]

You should make this a fork though

[wraith bear]

I know

I'll do that tomorrow as well

[rain cedar]

Alright

I guess the API preloading will have the same issue

If enough things are requested

[copper nacelle]

i guess

But I don't think any other mod is going to be loading literally every scene

Might be good to add a gc call anyways though

[rain cedar]

Enemy randomizer should be moved to the API system

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[rain cedar]

And then it would probably crash

[copper nacelle]

sad but true

I could try and swap it over rn I guess

swapping it is going to be a pain

[wraith bear]

I would offer to help, but as before I'm not on my pc

[rain cedar]

You can make it generate the list in the proper format while iterating

[copper nacelle]

urite

[rain cedar]

Then switch it with that

[copper nacelle]

@rain cedar do you think infinite loads could be caused by the same unity issue?

I was looking at some of the infinite load output logs and they're the same thing

this is from one of mick's infinite loads

[rain cedar]

Could be

[copper nacelle]

GC.Collect every arbitrary n scene loads

[rain cedar]

Stupid, but if it works

The problem is it's impossible to test

[copper nacelle]

yeah

If we could actually use the unity editor we could see if it's some dumb tc thing

Because the recommendations on the unity forums are just "look at the memory tab in unity"

[copper nacelle]

https://github.com/Zuntatos/UnityHeapDump

probably the closest thing we can get for script

[rain cedar]

For leaking of unity objects, please use the detailed memory profiler included in Unity3D

[copper nacelle]

fuck

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Profiling.Memory.Experimental.MemoryProfiler.html

and https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Profiling.Profiler.html

[copper nacelle]

unfortunate

[nova berry]

Does anyone have any good custom knight skins? these are jsut memes/recolors (tho the grimm knight and hk/pv ones are good)

[copper nacelle]

the normal profiler doesn't seem to have much memory-wise

no

[nova berry]

:(

[rain cedar]

It's a ridiculous amount of work to make a good skin

[nova berry]

guess i gotta make my own lol

[copper nacelle]

my dude it's literally redrawing every frame related to the knight

redrawing/changing

[solar jacinth]

@nova berry there is uhhh shade knight i made

but its not done yet

but working

[fair rampart]

how will shade dash work with shade knight?

make it flash a.,.,., blacker black?

[leaden hedge]

Reinstall in incognito mode

[magic rover]

Enemy Randomizer v0.3.0 with QoL mod worked for me with the API 1.4.3.2-51

[wraith bear]

Ok good to know

The memory leak is apparently caused by alt tabbing so it should work with everything if you don't alt tab

[magic rover]

I have my phone to look into Discord anyways

[wraith bear]

56 wrote a fix for that as well

I'll build another version with that at some point

[opal linden]

uhh did the modding api change

[wraith bear]

possibly

Why?

I don't think 56 changed the main version yet

[solar jacinth]

@opal linden redownload the installer

woah we got a new modder

[magic rover]

The modder who fixed Enemy Randomizer ye

[solar jacinth]

incredible

make him a modding staff

[wraith bear]

nah don't bother with that

it really wasn't much

[solemn rivet]

[wraith bear]

also @copper nacelle did your changes make it take way longer to load or is it just my pc

[solemn rivet]

What did you do sugar?

Wait, that's 56

[wraith bear]

anyway, it seems to be fixed now

I'll make another zip

I think this is the 5th in about 2 days

added a fix to the enemy rando to stop alt-tabbing cause a memory leak

and therefore fully fixing the loading issues

probably

I think it's just unloading the scenes after it's finished with them

includes 56's fixes to the loading algorithm, so it won't break on alt-tabbing now

and I'll just change the repo to a fork

[solemn rivet]

I haven't been here these past few days

Was it a memory leak then?

[wraith bear]

yes

although there were some other problems that I fixed

related to UI not loading

and also logic issues like bosses breaking events

[solemn rivet]

Oh

[wraith bear]

such as HK and Radiance not showing up

[solemn rivet]

Very good

Did manage to do something about collector breaking the game?

[wraith bear]

not yet

that's on my list though

[solemn rivet]

[copper nacelle]

@wraith bear probably the former