so you saw this then
#archived-modding-development
leaden hedge
if its relative to where its loaded, it might need to be in the .exe folder
leaden hedge
just put it everywhere
leaden hedge
and then remove them one by one
safe hamlet
alright
safe hamlet
nope
i don't get why plugins wouldn't work tho
https://markoth.is-pretty.sexy/5ScZFae.png the game uses this stuff which is in the Plugins folder
solemn rivet
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
safe hamlet
ye
copper nacelle
you tried Mods already, right?
safe hamlet
i did
solemn rivet
did you try managed?
rancid goblet
Hi! Someone told me that there is a mod to replay the path of pain. It is true? If yes, where can I find it?
copper nacelle
yhtsi
solemn rivet
why bote
young walrus
solemn rivet
check Pins, Santi
copper nacelle
solemn rivet
there
copper nacelle
it's qol
solemn rivet
sid, can you edit the vanilla assembly in dnspy to see if it can load your dll from the plugins folder?
rancid goblet
Ah, ok. Thank you
solemn rivet
wut
copper nacelle
i am waiting
safe hamlet
i don't know why but placing it in Mono/EmbedRuntime worked
copper nacelle
solemn rivet
safe hamlet
finally can work on a RPC mod 
also i got this dll from somewhere else
maybe the dll was at fault?
solemn rivet
I mean
leaden hedge
you can just put it in the usual place
I already made a discord-rpc mod for hollow knight
leaden hedge
like over a year ago lol
you just put the dll in managed
1 sec, once my harddrive responds
safe hamlet
for some reason, that didn't work for me, but it works now so idc
alright yea
the dll file was at fault
leaden hedge
omfg why is my hdd so slow
safe hamlet
the one i got from discord github didn't work
solemn rivet
do I dare ask what RPC is?
leaden hedge
rich presence something
safe hamlet
ye
leaden hedge
its the thing in discord that says what you're doing in game
solemn rivet
right
leaden hedge
like with that it'll say where you currently are
it'll also say your game is hollow knight 2
solemn rivet
safe hamlet
i have pinpointed it, it uses the one along the executable
the previous dll i put in doesn't work
the new one does
big thonk
leaden hedge
E:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data\Plugins\x86
is the path it uses
iirc
safe hamlet
when i run it and try to delete the dll that is in the same folder as the executable, it tells me that the game is using it
so dunno
why isn't that mod public, smh
leaden hedge
didn't think it was interesting, I thought it'd just spam the server with spoilers
like hey this guy is in NIGHTMARE KING GRIMM TENT and is fighting NIGHTMARE KING GRIMM
safe hamlet
lol
i get what you mean
i might just do stuff like health/place then
well i guess the images are also a spoiler
leaden hedge
it also did %
so it'd say you were in GREENPATH with 98% completion
bool flag = data.playerData.permadeathMode == 0;
if (flag)
{
this.presence.details = "Playing Classic";
}
else
{
this.presence.details = "Playing Balls of Steel";
}
very cool
leaden hedge
but ye I made this around a year ago
safe hamlet
only if had known, i wouldn't have to go through this
welp i am gonna do it anyways since i already put some effort into it
leaden hedge
this is so old 107% was the max
public void SetCompletion()
{
PlayerData.instance.CountGameCompletion();
presence.state = string.Format("Completion");
presence.partySize = (int)PlayerData.instance.completionPercentage;
presence.partyMax = 107;
DiscordRpc.UpdatePresence(presence);
}
I found the source 
safe hamlet
leaden hedge
but yeah you can't really update things fast enough for health or soul
and you don't get a lot of space
you could put a gameplay timer in
and maybe a current boss
lol
safe hamlet
i believe the presence update sends like 10s after initiating, right? i have made custom presence for my self bot and it was around 10s
very nice
safe hamlet
o i see
https://markoth.is-pretty.sexy/2WPSD5N.png this is what i meant, poor wording
so yea, health wouldn't be useful
leaden hedge
timers only need to be initialized and they keep track
so thats fine
I mean the only cool thing I can think of is mod integration
safe hamlet
ye, just gotta specify the start timestamp
leaden hedge
like playing randomizer: seed whatever
safe hamlet
o
leaden hedge
and a button you can click to steal the seed
I can't remember if you can just add the buttons with ingame interactions
safe hamlet
nah you can't
safe hamlet
it only provides stuff like party and spectate that is handled in the native dll
charred parrot
and decided to remake HK from the ground up
safe hamlet
i could make a rpc for silksong :^)
leaden hedge
I assume the OnSceneChanged hook has changed
as its not being called
also im not making hk lazy, thats what my discord-rpc mod calls hollow knight
sid was making one, but I beat them to it by a year Kappa
so old godmaster was still called Gods n Glory
{
Debug.Log("Discord: init");
callbackCalls = 0;
DiscordRpc.Initialize(applicationId, ref handlers, true, optionalSteamId);
presence.details = string.Format("Installing GnG...");
DiscordRpc.UpdatePresence(presence);
ModHooks.Instance.HeroUpdateHook += OnUpdate;
ModHooks.Instance.ApplicationQuitHook += OnQuit;
ModHooks.Instance.SceneChanged += OnSceneChanged;
ModHooks.Instance.AfterSavegameLoadHook += Instance_AfterSavegameLoadHook;
ModHooks.Instance.NewGameHook += Instance_NewGameHook;
ModHooks.Instance.SetPlayerBoolHook += PlayerBoolSet;
ModHooks.Instance.SetPlayerIntHook += PlayerIntSet;
}
not making HK mhm
mhm
ok
we all know you're secretly making your own metroidvania KDT
its obvious
leaden hedge
yes
its called hk2
its super cool
its like hollow knight
but its coded well enough to run on a TI-86
charred parrot
spicy
safe hamlet
https://markoth.is-pretty.sexy/6djwxQY.png it was a jpg, i am a dummy
charred parrot
what needs to be fullfilled for discord to recognize something as a "game"
safe hamlet
charred parrot
because sometimes it tells me people are just working on regular old IDEs
safe hamlet
someone give a good silksong logo
charred parrot
no like sometimes it will be like
charred parrot
Igotlazy is playing "Visual Studio"
leaden hedge
wow look at me
playing "Steam Login"
ebic game
although the default listing is probably curated
safe hamlet
cinder storm
Woah that suer do be
leaden hedge
nice
charred parrot
fucking Sherma
unborn flicker
operation "brute-force a spanning tree without using logic": complete
solemn rivet
how
unborn flicker
pain
solemn rivet
how
safe hamlet
https://markoth.is-pretty.sexy/AT4Z4dT.png it's proper now
unborn flicker
it picks an area that hasn't been reached yet and a transition in that area which isn't a deadend
unborn flicker
and if there's a transition in an already reached area which is directionally compatible, it links it
It's pretty fast. No stutter for me
solemn rivet
oh nice
unborn flicker
It's non-deterministic, but with no logic it can run pretty quickly, I think
I have not made a condition for it to abort yet though
leaden hedge
i think we should abort people who pass abortion laws
floral furnace
kdt question wasnt there a way of a sprite following the player without parenting that sprite?
cuz if i lets say, flip the sprite parented to the player's transform, the player flips too
something LateUpdate(){
newSprite.transform = HeroController.instance.transform right?
//doesnt work cuz transform is read only
}
safe hamlet
gradow, are you streaming tonight?
safe hamlet
solemn rivet
what should I stream tho
safe hamlet
whatever you want
floral furnace
what i have now is
Update(){
gunSpriteGO.transform.parent = HeroController.instance.transform;
gunSpriteGO.transform.position = HeroController.instance.transform.position;
}
but ill try yours gradow
floral furnace
i tried removing parent before and the sprite just disappeared
solemn rivet
oh
you need to enable the go
if it's parented to the knight, it inherits its enable/disable state
floral furnace
o
well i have a coroutine at Start already that enables it after the instances arent null anymore but ill try doing that now
solemn rivet
hmm
if that doesn't work, then maybe you'll need someone who actually knows what they're doing
instead of me who just googles all the answers
floral furnace
thats what im been doing all night yesterday lmao
i think half of the search results are purple already, that or im just bad at specifying/wording the problem
solemn rivet
I mean, all my mods and the installer are basically just a bunch of google searches
floral furnace
understandable tho
leaden hedge
child.transform.position = parent.transform.position
also you can set parent, set local pos to 0,0,0, then unset parent
solemn rivet
but will it follow?
floral furnace
im doing the unparenting stuff on Start, but ill keep the follow stuff in LateUpdate
solemn rivet
it's live, sid
floral furnace
i mean, its working now i guess, but only appears when i walk
thanks bruhdow/k๐ ฑt
safe hamlet
very cool
weak lodge
gun mod pog
mellow elbow
*pew pew mod
charred parrot
I wonder when the next Silksong Update will be
silk jetty
nevah
mellow elbow
I'm telling you, shadow drop at e3
I want internet points if it actually happens
and cookies
copper nacelle
and i want my code to be written for me while i sleep but i don't think that's happening anytime soon
charred parrot
I mean
TC is basically top tier in the indie world at the moment
they dont need to show up at e3 but they could release something during the e3 time period
TC could just splice together a whole new trailer
show the same shit
maybe 1 new area
and people would still start foaming at the mouth
copper nacelle
any specifications
unborn flicker
yes, it shouldn't be left
copper nacelle
deepnest_14[right1]
unborn flicker
I have too many of those
ooh, I like Deepnest
oh, I was being dumb and pairing doors with right transitions
everyone knows you can only go through a door and come out from the left
unless you're bretta
safe hamlet
lol
unborn flicker
forgotten emote 
copper nacelle
30-40 business days
safe hamlet
unborn flicker
it finished 
safe hamlet
working on RPC mod was a mistake, i have no sense of good design at all
i am prolly gonna ditch it
homothety, you should implement RPC with randomizer
copper nacelle
working on RPC a mod was a mistake, i am prolly gonna ditch it
unborn flicker
King's Pass to right side city to Crystal Peak to Resting Grounds
But I didn't fix the item placements yet
ignore the numbers and the item placements
jovial vault
why is 56 an acute angle
compact sedge
I want RPC going in the other direction
a HK API for AI
AI controlled knight
alpha knight
safe hamlet
libtas?
mossy pike
It does Angle
jovial vault
why is drawing the knight with a gun and making it not look like shit surprisingly hard
jovial vault
best sprite
jovial vault
marmu spikes are also done
solar jacinth
Mino drawing my character when 
jovial vault
oh shit yeah i could do that rn
send a pic in art discussion or smt
and ill get back to you after i finish gun mod stuff
solar jacinth
K
copper nacelle
Potassium
solemn rivet
Possum
jovial vault
ok
solemn rivet
bloodstained arriving in two weeks got me like 
solemn rivet
solar jacinth
lmao
solemn rivet
it's an official emote of this server
solar jacinth
im so glad that they added 
solemn rivet
solemn rivet
hornet is hongry
solar jacinth
graadoww
jovial vault
what's a god to a nonbeliever
solemn rivet
therefore I am omniscient (when it comes to my fanbois at least)
jovial vault
2 people
vagrant leaf
hello #archived-modding-development people
goodbye #archived-modding-development people
solar jacinth
jovial vault
Benji and simo just have all of the roles as a joke i think
solar jacinth
yeah , i dont think benji is a speedrunner , modder and artist at the same time
trim totem
they have all the roles for testing purposes probably
buoyant obsidian
do not doubt Benji's many talents
leaden hedge
banjo can play the benji
floral zealot
he's the legend27
copper nacelle
pretty sure it's just cause he can
roles don't matter when you have a role with administrator
charred parrot
roles dont matter when you own everyone and everything under an iron fist
brazen mortar
Dictators brand themselves titles all the time
thorn comet
Um, it's also for the fact if someone pings a role we're aware of it too; to pick up on meme pings or just help if possible
leaden hedge
just disable all pings 
weak lodge
thorn comet
@ everyone
Okay 
hollow pier
no
silk jetty
I dont think you can disable individual emotes
thorn comet
Immediate ban for all those that use it? Say I
leaden hedge
make a bot delete it everytime its posted
hollow pier
ban kdt
weak lodge
pete did you complete the prophecy yet
leaden hedge
don't ban me
silk jetty
ban KDT
hollow pier
bro what prophecy
leaden hedge
ill come back under an alias
weak lodge
of leaving to go do celeste runs and come back later to take hk wr
leaden hedge
TDK
hollow pier
hk 
weak lodge
hey dont billie me ๐ก
silk jetty
pete, speedrun eroico
rain cedar
weak lodge
silk jetty
what is that emote even supposed to convey
hollow pier
silk jetty
thanks guys
leaden hedge
this is what I feel when I see hotdogs
silk jetty
๐ก it's clearly supposed to convey Sword Saint
weak lodge
but sword saint was pretty free
rain cedar
what
silk jetty
I find Demon of Hatred easier
rain cedar
Hardest boss in the game easily
weak lodge
ech demon was ass for me
silk jetty
I'm really fucking bad at deflecting spear attacks
leaden hedge
You strafe and he misses then you hit him twice
silk jetty
which probably doesn't help at all
weak lodge
eh sword saint wasnt that big of a deal for me, yea he took me a bunch of times on my first run but i doubt i crossed 35 deaths
weak lodge
imagine using prosthetics on sword saint
silk jetty
I only use shuriken to make him stop staying away like a bitch when I fall off or have to heal
leaden hedge
He has a gun thats cheating
weak lodge
i mean he does pull a sword and gun out of his ass
well
shoulder
and also the spear
silk jetty
and genichiro pulls an old man out of his shoulder
weak lodge
everybody gangsta till grandpa crawls out of your shoulder
silk jetty
question, is it in logic to get to hiveblood/hive mask shard with only tram pass and dive with shade skips misc skips and fireball skips on
silk jetty
also, in rando 3 does having it so that logic is only in easy locations or whatever does it start you with lantern?
because I started with lantern for some reason even though it was from flukemarm
leaden hedge
its probably an anti-darkroom thing
silk jetty
ech I guess
weak lodge
darkmoon blade
unborn flicker
if only there were a channel to ask these questions
where I've already posted the answers many times
unborn flicker
unborn flicker
hmmm
TIL the difference between value types and reference types
also, my mod is hella fucked
unborn flicker
yes, it's quite unfortunate
unborn flicker
I had a lot of methods which looped by adding stuff to int[] obtained
to determine what was reachable
buoyant obsidian
why would you want to pass by value ๐คข
leaden hedge
its faster for primitives
buoyant obsidian
wait are primitives not pass by value?
charred parrot
KDT-sama can I see your collision code again I want to try a thing
buoyant obsidian
like int and float and the like
leaden hedge
they are in csharp probably
copper nacelle
primitives are by value yeah
leaden hedge
but in c++ you can pass them by reference
buoyant obsidian
alright thought so
copper nacelle
just use ref
leaden hedge
safe hamlet
wait you pass primitive types by reference in C++?
leaden hedge
copper nacelle
you can
leaden hedge
in c++ you can do anything you want
safe hamlet
is it normally passed by reference tho?
leaden hedge
but by default it'll pass everything by value
safe hamlet
ok that makes more sense
unborn flicker
This is the culprit for me. I had assumed the method wouldn't actually alter the array
Now that I think about it, I guess it always has newObtained == obtained
safe hamlet
not really relevant but i think you can use IEnumerable<string> as the return type and yield return the transition, saves you the hassle of creating a new list
floral furnace
Type goType = HeroController.instance.transform.GetType();
FieldInfo[] myField = goType.GetFields(BindingFlags.Instance | BindingFlags.Static | BindingFlags.NonPublic | BindingFlags.Public);
foreach(FieldInfo fi in myField)
{
Log(fi.Name + " " + fi.GetValue(HeroController.instance.transform));
}
uhh this should print out all the variable/field names AND values of that transform instance right
floral furnace
alrighty ill try that too
solemn rivet
Object.FindObjectsOfType<Transform>()
if you iterate over that list and check if they're parented to HeroController I think it would be better
floral furnace
jesus christ nvm, apparently my only problem was is my object wasnt set to DontDestroyOnLoad, which like you said gradow yesterday, was probably being inherited whenever i parent something
cuz i did the dumbest way of debugging it, i Logged a double var that increments everytime update occurs and for some reason it just stops when the game fully loads
solemn rivet
safe hamlet
jovial vault
Morning
rain cedar
wrong
jovial vault
Unfortunate
safe hamlet
morning mino
copper nacelle
wrong
solemn rivet
supmino
unborn flicker
I think it might finally be working 
It still crashes on building the spanning tree sometimes
rain cedar
Nobody gonna comment on
HeroController.instance.transform.GetType()
?
Massive brain
any typeof(Transform)
floral furnace
look i thought you needed the type of the actual instance itself to get its value, plus im bad at using reflection
hi bad at using reflection
unborn flicker
With the new settings, can I use a SerializableStringDictionary as a public dictionary I can refer to elsewhere? Or do I have to convert it to an array or something first?
rain cedar
SerializableStringDictionary is just Dictionary<string, string> with some fluff added using ISerializationCallbackReceiver
So yeah you can use it
unborn flicker
ok, cool
rain cedar
Probably cast it to Dictionary<string, string> to make it easier
unborn flicker
I guess you converted it into an array for rando because you don't need the structure of a dict if you're assigning actions to everything?
rain cedar
It's just better compartmentalization
There's a word for it in programming but it's slipping my mind right now
Basically if something doesn't need to be publicly modifiable it shouldn't be
Because you might do it on accident
And converting it to a new data type before returning has that effect
unborn flicker
I see, that does make sense
unborn flicker
56, did you have a way to get the gate info from the previous room with your hook?
Oh, I guess I could just check against vanilla destinations
That would be tedious to add, but doable
I wish I could be this lucky
I'm trying to find where to modify entry gate coordinates, for stuff like the Mantis Lords gate, etc
rain cedar
You mean where the gate takes you to or where the gate is at in the scene?
I guess the second one makes more sense
It's just an object
Modify its transform
unborn flicker
I think this will do for coordinates:
GameObject.Find(info.EntryGateName).GetComponent<TransitionPoint>().entryOffset
where the gate takes you, preferably
just to prevent it from putting you behind walls and such
unborn flicker
hmmm, this would appear to have destroyed the transition 
leaden hedge
I worked on the TAS yes
charred parrot
monster
jovial vault
TAS for hk when
safe hamlet
never
jovial vault
make one
safe hamlet
nou
jovial vault
u
safe hamlet
learn to mod mino
jovial vault
soonโข
solar jacinth
imagine modding hk when there is minecraft
rain cedar
Finally someone gets it
mellow elbow
Imagine modding when there's literally so many other games to play
This is why I never finish anything
jovial vault
he's not going to see this yknow
floral furnace
is he still camping on twitter
floral furnace
interesting 
jovial vault
it really do be like that
also ah fuck ill dm you the directions thing today
i have way too much art piled up lmao
solar jacinth
free real estate
jovial vault
just gotta get a couple more things done and then ๐ no more art for yall
jovial vault
he is busy
im just like whatever as well. had some stuff kinda planned but ee rip those mods
solar jacinth
ohk
jovial vault
ye
solar jacinth
damn modding channel loses members 
solemn rivet
If you need help mini
jovial vault
uwu
yea ill look at C# stuff when im done with this pile of modding art and commissions
a lot of it's gone considering saleh's not here
leaden hedge
reported for sinning
jovial vault
where's my $69420
fair rampart
hoo hoo ha ha
jovial vault
ok
fair rampart
i feel stronk
is there a mod to get all pale ores mask shards and vessel fragments?
hazy sentinel
yeah it's called playing the game
fair rampart
i don't like this mod
solar jacinth
yes there is debug
fair rampart
how do i open debug
solar jacinth
f1
fair rampart
shit i'm stuck since i already got dash
fair rampart
ok how do i?
solar jacinth
download debug
upper niche
Petition for someone to make a mod that changes uumuu's name to uuwuu
jovial vault
u
leaden hedge
its like half a second to do yourself
fair rampart
now that i installed modapi there are more good mods
fair rampart
what's custom knight
leaden hedge
lets you replace knights texture
fair rampart
arts mod?
leaden hedge
shitpost
hazy sentinel
dreamshield co-op
young walrus
chaos mod
opaque axle
hey uhh my small baby brain can't locate the randomizer mod can someone help me
young walrus
opaque axle
thanks
fair rampart
shit white lady glitched idk why
jovial vault
progress
solemn rivet
solar jacinth
best mod ever
solemn rivet
why not replace the nail with the gun
and only move it to holding position when you fire it
that's easier to draw, right?
unborn flicker
This is fucked. This works unless you enter the room through the gate 
jovial vault
ttacco wanted this ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
leaden hedge
its understandable if its a 0 effort shitpost
jovial vault
nah i had a more aesthetic gun but we swapped it out
it's fine tho
as long as it both plays and looks consistent
jovial vault
yeah but like that's pasting and making sure the guns are consistent on each sprite
that's effort
leaden hedge
could you not use smart layers
jovial vault
ill have to edit the sprite multiple times because things like perspective exist
solemn rivet
at least you're getting paid amirite
buoyant obsidian
nice
solemn basin
Was the Poorly Translated mod finished or still being worked on?
jovial vault
oh yeah
solemn basin
I remember seeing that initial stuff had been done but that there were things like "page break" in the text.
copper nacelle
it would've cost you 0 dollars to not type that
jovial vault
you're welcome 5fiftysix6 ๐
jovial vault
sad
solemn rivet
56 stream rain world again
jovial vault
wasn't this like a group modding channel project, and it's been abandoned
56 streams rain world?
solemn rivet
Best rw streamer
copper nacelle
I mean the only thing that needs changing is the tags
You could remove the tags within the messages via regex pretty easily
solemn rivet
Tbh I should do that before translation tho
solemn rivet
Because some broke, some work and some were assembled into the text
Like, one <page> became <website>
copper nacelle
very nice
solemn basin
Thanks for the answer! Best of luck finishing it.
unborn flicker
Hey 56, is there an easy way to get gate info from the previous scene from On.GameManager.BeginSceneTransition?
Or to lookup where a given gate leads to?
copper nacelle
I can check in a minute
unborn flicker
yeah, thanks
copper nacelle
omw home ๐
jovial vault
๐
solemn rivet
omwo what's this
copper nacelle
@unborn flicker why are you using BeginSceneTransition btw
You can just hook the gate itself
unborn flicker
that's what you were using
copper nacelle
ah
unborn flicker
how do you hook the gate?
copper nacelle
You can hook TransitionPoint
You might just be able to loop over all the transition points and use tc's built in event
And you can get the gate direction from BeginSceneTransition if you want
but not the specific gate
so if there are 2 right gates you can't say which one
unborn flicker
yeah, that's the issue
it doesn't come up too often though
can you get the previous scene too?
copper nacelle
I mean before calling orig just check the current scene
I guess you could actually figure out the gates via WorldNavigation
Because you have EntryGateName and SceneName
Nevermind WorldNavigation is missing the actual to scene
unfortunate
unborn flicker
pensive
copper nacelle
You could do something that's kinda cancer
Make a stackframe and read up the call stack for the TransitionPoint's call to the method
actually
You could GetObjectOfType<TransitionPoint>.First(x => x.targetScene == SceneName && x.entryPoint == EntryGateName)
unborn flicker
modify each transition point immediately after randomization, rather than on transition?
copper nacelle
no
unborn flicker
right now I have a dict which is (entrance, new exit)
and I have don't have anything to give old exit => entrance
Ok, the hook you mentioned earlier would be On.GameManager.FindTransitionPoint, right?
copper nacelle
private static void RandomizeTransition(On.GameManager.orig_BeginSceneTransition orig, GameManager self, GameManager.SceneLoadInfo info)
{
if (string.IsNullOrEmpty(info.EntryGateName) || string.IsNullOrEmpty(info.SceneName))
{
orig(self, info);
return;
}
// Note that we haven't changed the scene yet so we can just get stuff before actually calling orig
var tp = UnityEngine.Object.FindObjectsOfType<TransitionPoint>.First(x => x.entryPoint == info.EntryGateName && x.targetScene == info.SceneName);
Logger.Log("Gate is " + tp.name);
orig(self, info);
}
ah
note that if you do something like
never calling orig at all
the original function just never happens
copper nacelle
understandable
floral zealot
ununderstandable
real furnace
Someone should make a HK mod that puts grave markers at crystal lake for every NPC that has left or died
rain cedar
at what
unborn flicker
hmmm, this breaks transitions
commenting out the two tp lines makes them work normally again
according to debug it doesn't leave the scene
copper nacelle
check output_log
copper nacelle
^
unborn flicker
yeah, that fixed transitions
ok, yeah, I'm getting logs now. Thanks
yeah, this is exactly what I needed 
copper nacelle
unborn flicker
I have a bit more to work on, but I'll stream more tonight
fotf is now randomized normally. I'm thinking I'm going to have the player start the game with ~200 geo, since it's possible to be forced into KP => Queen's Station => Dirtmouth
mellow elbow
Is there any way to hook some sort of a map into it? I feel like I'm going to be so lost
rain cedar
Randomized transitions aren't going to make sense in a standard map
solar jacinth
you can make a map in your mind
unborn flicker
Incredible. I randomize 4 doors. The doors to Emilitia and Crystallized Mound have transition points. The doors to Ancestral Mound and Overgrown Mound don't.
nah, that's not exactly right. Rather, those last two doors don't properly refer to their target scenes, I think
unborn flicker
I just had a powerful category theory moment while modding 
but Gradow is not here, so I will wait to share it
brazen mortar
Arenโt there more doors in hollow knight than just those
unborn flicker
Not that I'm aware of
brazen mortar
unborn flicker
I only randomized doors leading to different areas
brazen mortar
O
unborn flicker
though, obviously, "area" is something defined on an ad hoc basis
brazen mortar
And weavers den?
unborn flicker
No. Only the 3 mounds, and the passage from CoT to Waterways
brazen mortar
I see
But there are two passages from CoT waterways that have โdoorsโ
Junk pit tbh
unborn flicker
silk jetty
are you gonna count left waterways as different than right waterways
unborn flicker
no
they are connected by the central shaft
Even though that room is named Abyss, and the CoT map shows it as Basin, Jiji has spoken, so it is in Waterways
unborn flicker
it wasn't as good as I first thought
but I have two special kinds of transitions: those tagged as deadends, and those tagged as isolated
and I realized those are categorical duals
a deadend is a transition which doesn't lead to any other transitions, so it also doesn't contribute to any logic
an isolated transition is a transition which can't be reached from any other transition, so it doesn't have logic for reaching it
and so if you have an area with one deadend and one isolated transition, there's a sense in which those are terminal and initial objects, respectively, I think
unborn flicker
one with a breakable wall, like the one coming up into Howling Cliffs from King's Pass, or into City of Tears from Emilitia
An area with only one transition, like the mounds or the Abyss, necessarily has both properties on its transition
a deadend would be like entering QG from Fungal Wastes
solemn rivet
Right
charred parrot
The more I work on this project the more I come to terms with the ultimate truth of the universe.
KDT is always right.
floral furnace
depends, how many pocket lints do you have on you
leaden hedge
i dunno I can probably get more if I get a free kidney out of it
I can't wait to have 4 kidneys im gonna be able to do double the amount of toxic things a normal human can
floral furnace
fucking deal
charred parrot
I think I'm going to need to fake a FixedUpdate
safe hamlet
uneedtofake
charred parrot
holy shit Unity added the ability to turn off autoSimulation
and gave you the ability to call physics when you want
....I guess it's time to create my own GameLoop
charred parrot
@leaden hedge I summon thee.
jovial vault
Just donate in a kidney
leaden hedge
ye
solemn rivet
can I just donate a kidney?
unborn flicker
me 3 hours ago: I'm getting Mantis Claw at fury too often, let me put a slight weight to make it appear later
randomizer: ok I will put claw at soul catcher
me: oh that sounds very nice
randomizer: blocked by lantern at void heart
me:
leaden hedge
imagine being pinged and then not even asked a question @charred parrot
jovial vault
Big rip
KDT explain why japanese particles are just a big ๐ฉ thats a question for you
solemn rivet
I'll play some more celeste in a while
jovial vault
ye just ping me since ill be awake
unborn flicker
unbelievably big-brained seed
Mines_33 is the Crossroads dark room, linked to Ancestral Mound
charred parrot
10/10
I'm going to be controlling the character through regular position sets as opposed to Rigidbody garbage
I am however going to keep a Kinematic RB on it just so it can react to triggers
the thing is that the Physics Simulation happens freaking whenever
so I'm going to be making my own Game Loop
leaden hedge
I'd only ever trust a rigidbody to work on something non-game mechanic related
charred parrot
that calls 2D Physics from within Update
and I'll use this to make it frame independent
leaden hedge
that looks suspicously like my code
charred parrot
So player movement, Unity physics and drawing will happen together
in order
I'm also going to have 1 single Update loop with delegates
and things will just hook in
because apparently the Update loop is actually quite intensive
when there's a bunch at least
leaden hedge
if you want to be cooler, move your while(statetime > completedframes) into a single gamemanager
and just call them all one by one in that
charred parrot
Bitch I might be
leaden hedge
void Update()
{
Time.timeScale = timeScale;
while (StateTime > CompletedFrames)
{
inactive.Clear();
for (int i = Entity.entities.Count - 1; i >= 0; i-- )
{
if (Entity.entities[i].StateTime > Entity.entities[i].CompletedFrames)
{
Entity.entities[i].uf(Entity.entities[i], 1);
Entity.entities[i].CompletedFrames++;
if (!Entity.entities[i].active)
inactive.Add(Entity.entities[i]);
}
}
foreach (Entity e in inactive)
{
e.Remove();
Entity.entities.Remove(e);
}
CompletedFrames++;
}
}
doing it this way makes sure everything always goes in the same order
i.e. if you had to do 2 frames the other way it'd do
aabb
but with this it does abab
the timescale is just so I can have a slider
to slow the game down
charred parrot
I do this is true
oh 1 question actually
back to this at the bottom
you had your control function AFTER everything else
why?
wouldn't that mean the inputs would be applied a frame after
instead of the frame of the input
leaden hedge
won't really add lag as cf is probably getting called a fuck tonne of times compared to uf
leaden hedge
sure
charred parrot
ty
leaden hedge
if you moved it so cf only ran on the frames uf did, then yeah move it before
which is really what you should do
and make the player input just read from a buffer, that you write to every frame, regardless of if its a 1/60 frame
charred parrot
ya I'm going to add an input buffer later
is it just 1 button press per frame?
meanwhile axes can be whatever
unborn flicker
@rain cedar I just replicated a bug on the build of the randomizer from your github. After obtaining the first item in an additive item set, the others despawn from their locations
solemn rivet
wait, I just realized something about room rando
solemn rivet
what if the exit of Sly's store links to Iselda's store, and vice-versa
unborn flicker
that's why I made such a big deal about the special labels for certain transitions earlier
solemn rivet
right
unborn flicker
My method runs
- build spanning tree (without using deadends, King's Pass is excluded)
- place oneway transitions and isolated transitions (the 2-way King's Pass transitions cannot be used here)
- place remaining transitions using logic to constructively ensure completability
charred parrot
@leaden hedge I'm assuming you're using 60 because you want to lock to a 60 fps simulation?
unborn flicker
because there are so many unnecessary transitions, I can afford to waste a dozen at random on the spanning tree, just to guarantee connectedness
solemn rivet
right right
leaden hedge
60fps is just standard
charred parrot
time to run the game at 10
jovial vault
Lazy.
unborn flicker
It's interesting to think about though. You would need a very different algorithm given different complexities of transition requirements, distribution of item locations, number of extra transitions, and so on
charred parrot
Mino.
jovial vault
Cease
charred parrot
wait whats the logic again behind not just slapping everything in FixedUpdate and telling FixedUpdate to run at 60fps
leaden hedge
go for it
charred parrot
huh
rain cedar
Unfortunate
charred parrot
no ghost plz
unborn flicker
reverting GetAdditiveBoolName to what it was before the May commits seemed to fix the problem I mentioned
I didn't put too much thought into it though, so who knows
charred parrot
{
public static MasterLoop instance { get; private set; }
public static event Action GameUpdate;
public static event Action GameControlUpdate;
public static event Action GameFixedUpdate;
private static long totalFramesSinceStart;
public static long TotalFramesSinceStart
{
get { return totalFramesSinceStart; }
set
{
totalFramesSinceStart = value;
TotalFrameProgress?.Invoke(totalFramesSinceStart);
}
}
public static event Action<long> TotalFrameProgress;
private static long totalPhysicsFramesSinceStart;
public static long TotalPhysicsFramesSinceStart
{
get { return totalPhysicsFramesSinceStart; }
set
{
totalPhysicsFramesSinceStart = value;
TotalPhysicsFrameProgress?.Invoke(totalFramesSinceStart);
}
}
public static event Action<long> TotalPhysicsFrameProgress;
public static double TotalTimeSinceStart { get; private set; }
private float fixedTimer;
private void Awake()
{
if(instance == null)
{
instance = this;
DontDestroyOnLoad(gameObject);
Physics2D.autoSimulation = false;
}
else
{
Destroy(gameObject);
return;
}
}
void Update()
{
GameLoop();
}
private void GameLoop()
{
if(TotalTimeSinceStart == 0)
{
GameFixedUpdate?.Invoke();
Physics2D.Simulate(1 / 60f);
}
while (fixedTimer > (1 / 60f))
{
GameFixedUpdate?.Invoke();
Physics2D.Simulate(1 / 60f);
TotalPhysicsFramesSinceStart++;
fixedTimer -= (1 / 60f);
}
GameControlUpdate?.Invoke();
GameUpdate?.Invoke();
fixedTimer += Time.deltaTime;
TotalTimeSinceStart += Time.deltaTime;
TotalFramesSinceStart++;
}
}```@leaden hedge
probably doing something dumb
rain cedar
Looks functionally the same to me
charred parrot
as?
rain cedar
Not you, sorry
charred parrot
aw
unborn flicker
I tested the same items, not same seed
I had it happen with VS, cloak, and kingsoul on my mod, and cloak when I tested on yours
I assume it affected all additive groups equally though, I wasn't thoroughly testing
copper nacelle
consistency 
hollow hearth
very entertained
silk jetty
woah woah woah are you making a mod to make the game consistent for TASing
copper nacelle
thinking lazy actually mods this game
leaden hedge
theres already a mod to make the game consistent
silk jetty
wait there is
leaden hedge
its called replacing all the c++ functions for time/random with calls to c#
leaden hedge
yeah I only bothered to replace the time call
but it'd be like 20minutes or something to find the rng function
charred parrot
imagine thinking I would waste my time modding this shit game when I could be making my own shit game
golden vine
What does the "RandoMapMod" do
golden vine
such as
copper nacelle
leaden hedge
how much does it cost to make them not ? and say what they are
golden vine
thanks
safe hamlet
it's pretty much free if you are willing to put effort
rain cedar
I think I know what's wrong with the additive items in the current rando
The locations are serialized in a dictionary, which is unordered
So sometimes when you load your save it'll put the items in different orders
And they'll get different bools assigned to them
Shouldn't ever break if you don't quit, if that's the case
unborn flicker
Hmmm, that doesn't seem right
I did a test where I benchwarped to get cloak at MoP, and then benchwarped to Great Slash where shade cloak should've been
no quitouts
rain cedar
Even if it's not the only problem it's still a problem, at least
unborn flicker
yeah, that's fair
charred parrot
Silksong at E3?
floral furnace
it will be
charred parrot
you think?
floral furnace
radio silence says it all
ornate rivet
yes I can confirm
floral furnace
saleh youve literally disappeared from the face of the earth for 3-4 days did you finally finish your book
ornate rivet
no, I did not finish Hero of Ages
copper nacelle
wtf
mellow elbow
look, I already called silksong at e3
copper nacelle
can you let him finish the but ๐
ornate rivet
I am getting a free ride for the freshmen year of university because of all the scholarship work I've been doing
floral furnace
sorry too immature?
ornate rivet
so that's good
copper nacelle
congrats
floral furnace
another one taken by uni, say good bye to your free time ๐
safe hamlet
floral furnace
nitro boosted
copper nacelle
yeah we got nitro boosted
ornate rivet
incredible
floral furnace
hence the banner too
copper nacelle
ornate rivet
sigh
floral furnace
this fuckin emoji is apparently too good for this server so they didnt add it
ornate rivet
floral furnace
56 i just realized why are you a universal quantifier
copper nacelle
forall is a nice symbol
floral furnace
agree
fair rampart
any โ
floral furnace
imagine using there exist
safe hamlet
null ref on GameInspector.PrintObject
floral furnace
then we literally do nothing
but i doubt, theres gonna be a 80% chance it shows up at least some extra gameplay on treehouse, they didnt mention anything about "hey guys please shut the fuck up about e3 were not going thanks ๐"
ornate rivet
56 is it okay if I read secret history before alloys of law
copper nacelle
I think I'd actually recommend you do so
copper nacelle
ornate rivet
wow I can use now
floral furnace
whats the point if even, lets say, the most faintest chance of it happening, hk gets into smash, itll end up getting torn apart because the slot was "stolen by a dumb indie character noone cares about" when their favorite character shouldve been added instead
ornate rivet
honestly that would make it even better
floral furnace
just, inhale the salt
floral furnace
i cant believe smash would spoil all of silksongs moveset this cant be real this cant be happennig
also notice, leth has been way more online these days hmmm coincidence??!?
copper nacelle
yes
leaden hedge
they should put crawlid in smash
fair rampart
They should put in smash
leaden hedge
reported