archived-modding-development

[unborn flicker]

The randomizer menu doesn't appear for me until I load/reload the game

[rain cedar]

Oh yeah that

Just call the EditUI thing at the end of Initialize

[unborn flicker]

Ok, so it's already in the right scene at that point I guess?

cool

[rain cedar]

Yeah

Initialize is called same frame that Unity says the menu is done loading

[unborn flicker]

Ok, that's really good to know

Everything else seems to be working correctly after the merge at least, but I didn't test too much tonight

[rain cedar]

Nice

@buoyant obsidian

[jovial vault]

another hk modder lost to risk of rain 2

[buoyant obsidian]

Finally a man of culture

[safe hamlet]

ah yes, yet another masterpiece

@craggy bear that would be $25

[jovial vault]

bruh

[craggy bear]

@safe hamlet what would be what

wait you actually made it

[wise whale]

Are there API docs for the modding api?

[weak lodge]

well

there are supposed to be but

[wise whale]

ah

[weak lodge]

very unfinished

and i dont think its been worked on in a while

sorry mate

[wise whale]

np

[weak lodge]

@wise whale uh here still https://radiance.host/apidocs/

yea about half of them are unfinished

[wise whale]

Thanks, basically i'm looking for a way to get some sort of room id and player xy corrds

[weak lodge]

well 56 is our omnipotent leader who knows all so whenever hes here you can ask him

[wise whale]

kk

[young walrus]

Debug mod

[weak lodge]

oh look mickely exists

[young walrus]

The data window of debug shows your position, the room names, etc etc

[wise whale]

thanks

[tiny tangle]

Hi, new here. I've been playing HK on my Switch but want to play on my PC now. I don't want to start all the way over so I am wondering if there are any mods to help me start from where ever I want or at least a god mode to let me speed through the part of the game I have already played

[leaden hedge]

if you have checkpoint (homebrew) installed on your switch you can convert your save to pc

otherwise you can use either the save editor or debug mod to give yourself enough damage to one hit bosses

[glacial panther]

but honestly once you've played through the game once you can breeze through everything you've done previously even without mods

[wise whale]

it still takes a while though

[glacial panther]

the biggest time investment is gonna be picking up upgrades

[mellow elbow]

But can I run randomizer on my switch

I'm not home and I need my fix

[solemn rivet]

not really a while... Unless you want a 100% file

if it's just progress and some charms, getting to any point in the game should be pretty quick

specially so if you're willing to use mods

[floral furnace]

lack of dash early game is what kills it tbh

[solemn rivet]

is this a taunt

tell me this is a taunt

[floral furnace]

[solemn rivet]

shading blackmoth smh

[solemn rivet]

ttacco

why you never come to my streams

explain yourself little boi

[floral furnace]

tying up lose school stuff

hence im not online here ruining modding by shitposting most of the time within the past few weeks/months

it. never. ends.

[leaden hedge]

heres a cool strat I invented, get clinical depression but don't take meds for it
let it spiral out of control until you're hospitalised, then pass based on merit prior to your mental state deteriorating

[mellow elbow]

sounds fun

[jovial vault]

I don't know whether to be concerned or relate

considering this happened last week

[solemn rivet]

I kinda did that on one of my undergrad courses KDT

[leaden hedge]

I mean thats how I passed university

[quiet jacinth]

lol

[leaden hedge]

I literally did nothing in my last year

[leaden hedge]

and my professor passed me because it was obvious I would have passed if I gave a shit

[quiet jacinth]

nice professor

sorry for the irrelevant videos thought these needed sharing

[weak lodge]

o should use this strat

[jovial vault]

modding is where the good old clinically depressed hang out

[leaden hedge]

ye it helps if you get 95+% on all your work prior to not leaving your room for 6months

[wise whale]

uh oh

[safe hamlet]

@craggy bear the mod ofc

[charred parrot]

everything looks okay here

[jovial vault]

ok lazy

[weak lodge]

wow rude 😡

[safe hamlet]

it's almost june 2

@ornate rivet how does it go

[silk jetty]

I'm mad

I just killed broken vessel with just crystal dash and cloak

and I can't get to the fucking location

[wise whale]

Can I use System.IO.Pipe even though it's not included in the stripped down version of .NET that unity uses by default?

Or is there a way I can include some extra DLL to get that?

[rain cedar]

You can use whatever if you ship it with your mods

The api itself adds ValueTuple

[silk jetty]

question, is hunter's journal randomized in rando 3?

[copper nacelle]

No

[silk jetty]

okay

[silk jetty]

if you get a mask shard from a shop when you're missing a mask this happens

it's purely visual

the mask still exists

but it's weird

[glacial panther]

I guess that means the health refill is tied to the animation

which is pretty funny

[silk jetty]

it still refilled health

but it didn't refill the mask itself

[glacial panther]

oh that's really weird

[rain cedar]

It's not that weird

Missing an fsm event

[safe hamlet]

yea, homothety knows about it and also knows how to fix it, i think he just hasn't gotten to it since it's an easy fix

https://markoth.is-pretty.sexy/8pcQ2ZN.jpg very cool :^)

[silk jetty]

what are some easy to forget checks that you can get to with just dash and tram pass

and dive

[silk jetty]

I can't remember anything that I can get

[tidal citrus]

rand

[copper nacelle]

resting grounds

[silk jetty]

I've checked all 3 things there

that I can get to without claw or wings

[amber lintel]

is the random map mod out of date?

[silk jetty]

it doesn't work for rando 3 because rando 3 isn't on the installer

[amber lintel]

ok

where do i download random 3 then im sorry to bother ya'll

i'm just kinda clueless

[young walrus]

from pins of #randomizer

[amber lintel]

thanks

and how do I install it

sorry to be a pain

[young walrus]

manually

[amber lintel]

i mean yes

[young walrus]

just copy/paste it into the mods folder

[amber lintel]

ok

thank you so much

[azure vessel]

who did this

[charred parrot]

LOL

[safe hamlet]

not much action here today

[solemn rivet]

I'm about to stream tho

👀

[safe hamlet]

owo

[unborn flicker]

I made a commit today https://github.com/homothetyhk/HollowKnight.RandomizerMod

It might not have broken everything, you never know

[solemn rivet]

it just might

[unborn flicker]

then I started adding rancid eggs and that was really tedious and depressing

[solemn rivet]

why tho

[unborn flicker]

and here I am now

it's actually easy, idk

[solemn rivet]

it's on sid

[safe hamlet]

lies https://markoth.is-pretty.sexy/3dfwL5u.png

[unborn flicker]

wtf I actually couldn't find the Kingdom's Edge egg without wiki

[young walrus]

hey look, a room

[unborn flicker]

a room with a rancid egg in it

I bet you don't know where it is either

[charred parrot]

here

[unborn flicker]

nope

[charred parrot]

hmmm

here

[unborn flicker]

think

it's here

[young walrus]

nah, it's here

[rain cedar]

I knew that already 🙂

There's an exploding bat in there too I think

[unborn flicker]

yeah that's right

[young walrus]

you're an exploding bat

[charred parrot]

who wants to watch me play HK

[young walrus]

gottem

[charred parrot]

eyyyyyy

[rain cedar]

Play flower game

[charred parrot]

soon(tm)

[young walrus]

not even ur mum

[rain cedar]

We'll guide you on how to get oob in chat

[charred parrot]

LOL

actually will be releasing something soon for you guys to try out

so hang tight

[rain cedar]

Gotta make a private server to share the oob so it doesn't get patched

Like hornetfuckers, except flowerfuckers

Idk the main character's name

[charred parrot]

and I'm being honest when I say if you look at the code and think I should have something set up a different way

feel free to tell me

I'm going to make it so it just checks if the player character is outside the bounds

and if so insta kill

[rain cedar]

Can't wait for false positives that kill you while inbounds

[charred parrot]

naw man my code is perfect

infallible

[unborn flicker]

this used to not be a disaster

but now nothing will ever break again 😩

[safe hamlet]

are you not using modcommon?

[unborn flicker]

wdym

[safe hamlet]

you could just use .GetAction<T>(name)

essentially the same thing

[unborn flicker]

oh

I just wrote this once for simple keys

And somehow ended up having to use it for everything else

[safe hamlet]

it's fine, it's just less typing

[unborn flicker]

Perfection

[young walrus]

I don't get it

[charred parrot]

Jiji wet dream

[safe hamlet]

cease

[jovial vault]

@charred parrot new demo when

[safe hamlet]

mino

[jovial vault]

yeah

[safe hamlet]

it's june 2

[charred parrot]

mino u kill me

[jovial vault]

s a l e h

yeah ill 🔪 you in the back dw

[safe hamlet]

has he been dead since yesterday?

[jovial vault]

ye

i dmed him and he hasn't responded

[safe hamlet]

that can be two things

[jovial vault]

it's mildly concerning that's what it is

[safe hamlet]

he may be super focused on PC and worked on it without distraction (doubt)
he died (more likely, figuratively)

[jovial vault]

hopefully figuratively

i know he's in VA but not near the beach i think

[safe hamlet]

he is prolly fine

[jovial vault]

ya

just in focus mode for PC

[safe hamlet]

gn folks

PC better be released by the time i wake up

[charred parrot]

what does he have a deadline or something?

[safe hamlet]

yea, i have his family hostage

also who are you?

[charred parrot]

I have a request for a mod

[jovial vault]

lazy is a force of nature

oh wait i don't think you were here when he was active sid

attempted to make a fangame, pulled me on board, now not a fangame

you BITCH i saw that

[safe hamlet]

i know about it

[silk jetty]

somebody should make a hive knight difficulty mod

[jovial vault]

isn't sid doing that

[charred parrot]

that sounds comparatively easy

[safe hamlet]

yea, zaliant and i are planning to do that

[charred parrot]

just make his attacks hit for 2

done

[safe hamlet]

ie he gives ideas i mod it

[silk jetty]

bruh

2 damage hive knight still isn't hard

[charred parrot]

insta kill

done

[silk jetty]

radiant hive knight is still easy

I literally just beat him third try

[safe hamlet]

how about we spawn 10 hive knights, hmmmmmmm?

[charred parrot]

ok make him spawn Absolute Radiances instead of bees

how about now?

[jovial vault]

ya he was telling me about it

sigh

cease

[brazen mortar]

myrth is making upgrade hive knight iirc

[safe hamlet]

they still haven't done it tho

[jovial vault]

ye i sent them some C# stuff and they did a big which is relatable

[safe hamlet]

mino can you draw some cool homing nail sprite for me? :^)

https://markoth.is-pretty.sexy/22RPLey.png rn i am doing this which took me like a whole day to figure out btw

[charred parrot]

mino what do you mean you sent them some c# stuff

[safe hamlet]

mino sent them C# stuff

smh

[charred parrot]

mino code?

[safe hamlet]

yea

[charred parrot]

dspicy

@safe hamlet Honestly that sprite looks cool.

Keep it

[safe hamlet]

yea it's all done using code too

[charred parrot]

how the fuck

[safe hamlet]

which was unnecessary but ok

[jovial vault]

i don't code i just have stuff saved i want to go through now that i have the time to learn how to program

[safe hamlet]

it look me a while to figure out what format the pixel data was in so i could color balance it

[jovial vault]

also ok sid i will do so

in like

a bit

like 3 hours

[safe hamlet]

apparently it's argb and not rgba which messed me up

[jovial vault]

any specifications of what you want

that is unfortunate

[safe hamlet]

i am joking, you don't actually have to

instead it would be nice if you could work on nkg spike thingy

if you have time ie

[jovial vault]

it'll take me like 10 minutes to make a nicer nail it's fine
just dm the nail sprite

also i'll recolour nkg's stuff

[safe hamlet]

alright thank

[jovial vault]

ye

[charred parrot]

now imagine if more artists crawled their way oveer here and helped with mods

imagine what could be accomplished

[jovial vault]

there are like

no animators

which's what most modding art requires

[charred parrot]

giga rip

hey tell me something mod people

[safe hamlet]

you mod too, no?

well you know C# and Unity, go make some mods or something

[charred parrot]

what do you think of a room where a wall of spikes is constantly approaching from the left and you effectively need to speedrun through a platforming section or get didled

I dont like modding

I'd rather make my own things than pull my hair out trying to bend someone else's code

[jovial vault]

listen i have told you this but: c el e s t e dream sequences

[safe hamlet]

I'd rather make my own things
fan game when then

[charred parrot]

fan game never

[safe hamlet]

sad

[charred parrot]

original game soon(tm)

[jovial vault]

like give or take 4 years

if i don't backstab lazy by then

i mean what

[charred parrot]

Freudian slip of doom

did Celeste have walls that followed you?

[jovial vault]

no

[charred parrot]

so why are you mentioning those dream sequences

[jovial vault]

to annoy you mostly tbh

[charred parrot]

wow

[jovial vault]

hmm i don't know it could work
depends on the room however

i.e. the platforming segment and stuff

[safe hamlet]

[charred parrot]

wut u want sid

[safe hamlet]

just add a radiance beam that moves along as your complete path of pain

easy

but a thicc beam so you can't dash through

[silk jetty]

or just two of them

[jovial vault]

radiance beams in a fangame

that is now not a fangame

[charred parrot]

why not just spawn an Absolute Radiance into the path of pain

[safe hamlet]

o i remember i still need to work on HK dating sim

[jovial vault]

make it

[charred parrot]

do it

[safe hamlet]

no art no dating sim

i need blushing hornet

[charred parrot]

if you step foot into #art-discussion

[jovial vault]

find an artist

[charred parrot]

and be like

[jovial vault]

art discussion will gladly give you one

[charred parrot]

hey I'm making a dating sim

ill use your ocs

[safe hamlet]

that seems like a scary place honestly

[charred parrot]

people will hop on board immediately

those people are degenerates

do what I do

scope out #hk-art-gallery

and then ping whoever draws the best

: ^ )

[safe hamlet]

you have the best artist and yet no fangame

disappointed

[jovial vault]

best artist is lazy himself

that's cause we had to like

scrap EVERYTHING

[charred parrot]

its because we have the best artist that a fangame is beneath us

fool

[jovial vault]

hmmmmmmm

ok

what about the best programmer

ark has yeeted

[charred parrot]

wow r00de

[silk jetty]

just get 56 to do it

[charred parrot]

I give you a compliment and this is how I get treated

[jovial vault]

ok

[charred parrot]

ya ok

[jovial vault]

no lazy smh you're good i just poke fun at you

[charred parrot]

@copper nacelle Hey wanna make an original game?

[safe hamlet]

lazy got rekt

[jovial vault]

@charred parrot can we make this an emote and just name it mino

[charred parrot]

that catblob?

[jovial vault]

yes

[charred parrot]

sure

[jovial vault]

very nice

[safe hamlet]

it's :gottem:

[jovial vault]

yes i know

[safe hamlet]

make that an emote where

[charred parrot]

on our server

[safe hamlet]

you guys have a server?

[jovial vault]

game™ server™

yeah

[safe hamlet]

not inviting me

ok

i see how it is

[jovial vault]

you thought we were making this through dms

no only for team members

[safe hamlet]

i am a team member

[jovial vault]

ok

[safe hamlet]

remember the time when i did that thing?

[jovial vault]

https://discord.gg/tPeZBZ
server invite

did which thing

[safe hamlet]

that thing you know

[jovial vault]

ok

[safe hamlet]

also advertisement, time to ping benji

[jovial vault]

you mean
nenj8

[safe hamlet]

ok mino, i may have made a masterpiece

using your profile pic

[jovial vault]

oh?

[safe hamlet]

https://markoth.is-pretty.sexy/3My51L1.png

[jovial vault]

an accurate depiction of my mental health

[safe hamlet]

relatable

[charred parrot]

oh god the nose

[safe hamlet]

you ever messed with imagemagick?

[charred parrot]

no

[safe hamlet]

https://imagemagick.org/ you can do pretty fun stuff with it, especially when you misuse it's features

i use the C# library tho, can't be bothered to write my own

[charred parrot]

meh

[copper nacelle]

imagemagick is fantastic

i use the cli thing though

[safe hamlet]

yea the C# wrapper is pretty bad

the tool itself is very nice

[charred parrot]

hmm lets see

code game

or go to sleep

[safe hamlet]

fan game when

[copper nacelle]

well one of those is garbage so you have to choose the other one

[charred parrot]

fan game never

[safe hamlet]

56, you missed gradow's stream

smh

[copper nacelle]

i was asleep

[safe hamlet]

i didn't even know you were online tbh

o

[jovial vault]

i was going to join gradow's stream but then i had a mild mental health crisis

so smh

[charred parrot]

:/

[safe hamlet]

why wake up so early

[copper nacelle]

having a consistent sleep schedule

not me irl

[jovial vault]

it's like 9 am whenever he streams which isn't that early

[copper nacelle]

it is 2:40 am

[jovial vault]

unfortunate

[safe hamlet]

2:40 am

:gottem:

[copper nacelle]

[jovial vault]

are you going to stay up till suhoor or just pass out

[copper nacelle]

idk

[jovial vault]

relatable

[safe hamlet]

suhoor?

[copper nacelle]

I'm not that tired anymore

Sunup

[jovial vault]

my mom drags me out of bed at suhoor even tho im not fasting and it's 😩

[safe hamlet]

o

[jovial vault]

mooselem thing

[copper nacelle]

like 3am prayers

[jovial vault]

3:30-ish now

[safe hamlet]

rough

[jovial vault]

i mean don't you stay up till 3 am every night anyways sid

[safe hamlet]

i usually sleep around 12 - 1 am

[jovial vault]

yeah same

[safe hamlet]

yesterday i went to sleep at like 4 am

so slowly getting worse since school is over

[jovial vault]

slowing shifting to my timezone

[safe hamlet]

seems like it

[jovial vault]

very nice

dating sim when

[safe hamlet]

soon

[jovial vault]

™

[copper nacelle]

that emote contrasts terribly with the background

[buoyant obsidian]

it's plaintext

[safe hamlet]

^

unicode™

[jovial vault]

753 returns from the war risk of rain2

hmm

[copper nacelle]

It's only plaintext on desktop

[safe hamlet]

o true

[jovial vault]

that is unfortunate

[safe hamlet]

♠

[copper nacelle]

If you escape the emotes they're all plaintext

[safe hamlet]

yea

[copper nacelle]

unless you're on mobile in which case it's garbage

[safe hamlet]

discord mobile is garbage

they didn't do a single thing right

[copper nacelle]

it really is

[jovial vault]

gris's creative director commented on my art wtf

[copper nacelle]

it crashes half the time when you open the emote menu

escape behaviour is inconsistent with desktop

compact mode outright doesn't exist

[safe hamlet]

lol

also i love how they made the emote picker on mobile worse

before it only showed the emotes that you could use, now it shows all of them even the ones you can't use

mino, party when

[jovial vault]

idk man im just in shock

[safe hamlet]

also discord client literally can't handle embeds properly

as in the memory usage

[trim totem]

56

[safe hamlet]

scroll through a page with bunch of embeds and god damn, the memory usage peaks

[trim totem]

lost lord remake

[safe hamlet]

he's working on it

btw khan, cranky did lost lord no jumping

i think he used charms tho

[trim totem]

i commented on the video

[safe hamlet]

o

[silk jetty]

sweet, I'm trying to practice radiant bosses because I haven't done a lot of them in a while and I got a glitch that was likely caused by a mod where I didn't exist after dying to radiant traitor lord

crystal dashing made it so that I could move but I'm still invisible

[brazen mortar]

56 not using compact mode?

[wise whale]

uuugh

recent versions of mono don't support .net 3.5

but if i use an older version monodevelop just crashes

such fun

[carmine sierra]

Hi, I want to install mod that hides HUD to make better screenshots, i was told this is the place to ask for it.

[wise whale]

debugmod can do that

Do you have the modding API installed?

[carmine sierra]

no i dont

where do i get that?

thanks

[wise whale]

#archived-modding-help is probably a better place to ask if you have any further issues

[carmine sierra]

ok

wow, I can play as Hornet in some mod?

Is it only skin or gameplay changes also apply?

[floral furnace]

no mod like that exists

[carmine sierra]

what is daugher of hallownest then?

[floral furnace]

""closest"" is a mod that upgrades the hornet boss fight, and the other one is a on going multiplayer mod that tries to add hornet as player 2 but so far thats not released at all

thats the hornet upgrade mod

it upgrades the BOSS

doesnt make her a playable character

[carmine sierra]

shame

[floral furnace]

also like kernel said moddinghelp is more suited for this

[carmine sierra]

and what is modding used for&

for devs?

[floral furnace]

modding is for developement, modding help is for installation and questions on the mod themselves

[jovial vault]

mmm has saleh really just vanished

the fool

[solemn rivet]

Hope they're fine

[jovial vault]

i hope so too

[floral furnace]

wait wut happened to saleh

[jovial vault]

he hasn't responded to my dms for the last 2 days

or been here

[floral furnace]

didnt he had exams

[jovial vault]

his exams ended on the 23rd

[solar jacinth]

Oh god

Pale champion is in danger

[wise whale]

Is the mod that communicates with the obs overlay on GitHub anywhere?

[young walrus]

📌

[wise whale]

Im looking for the source if it's available, not the build version

Idk if it's open source or not

[young walrus]

All HK mods are open source

[weak lodge]

including the api

[copper nacelle]

I mean the FSM dumper isn't

https://github.com/iamwyza/HollowKnightRandomizerTracker @wise whale

[wise whale]

oh

i'm a moron

I thought the mod part of that code was in a seperate repo

Sorry

[visual ravine]

Hello all, I'm looking for the software for the inventory thingy that streamers use in randomizer runs, if anyone can point me in the right direction, it would be greatly appreciated.

[weak lodge]

hmmm mickely is idle

idk if 56 may know

[leaden hedge]

look like literally 4 posts up

[safe hamlet]

literally the thing on screen

[weak lodge]

thats the joke retard 😾

[safe hamlet]

didn't look like a joke to me

[leaden hedge]

reported for offensive language

[safe hamlet]

get better at making jokes

[leaden hedge]

my dad works at nintendo

rip ur halo account

[safe hamlet]

rip

[weak lodge]

im sorry please dont ban me mr kdt sir 🙀

[safe hamlet]

my dad works at discord

[jovial vault]

🤔

[weak lodge]

my dad works at 😹

[leaden hedge]

ill give you something to 🤔 about, check out my sleep pattern

[jovial vault]

jesus christ

[safe hamlet]

https://markoth.is-pretty.sexy/4Vg7xp3.jpg these nails are so cool

[jovial vault]

wonder who made them

sid
red knight

[safe hamlet]

none other than the great artist

me ofc

[jovial vault]

ari hollowknightman himself

[safe hamlet]

so saleh is still not here, very sad

[jovial vault]

make pale champion before he finished

@ornate rivet smh

[visual ravine]

Thanks!

[solar jacinth]

@ornate rivet

[jovial vault]

Don’t ping him too much

[solar jacinth]

but seriously what happened to him

[jovial vault]

I dunno

Ill check in on him in a day or two

[weak lodge]

probably exams

idk

[jovial vault]

His exams finished before mine

[weak lodge]

uh

[unborn flicker]

I wish exams would stop me from posting in discord

[jovial vault]

Homothety go study topology

[unborn flicker]

I literally am rn tho

[jovial vault]

Very nice

[unborn flicker]

But while I was doing all the relics last night, I couldn't stop thinking how cool it would be to implement an area randomizer compatible with item rando

Even though that's obviously a very terrible idea to start on the week before exams

[trim totem]

sounds like a great idea to me

[unborn flicker]

I don't think it would be too hard if I stole 56's code for handling transitions, so I might try it anyways later this week if studying goes well.
Or maybe I'll think better of it

[rain cedar]

56 is ruining my life

stsfld without setting up the stack first

[safe hamlet]

[copper nacelle]

whoops

[rain cedar]

I have found another problem

If you try to make a setter for a const the game just crashes

This makes sense

[copper nacelle]

Lmao

[unborn flicker]

[rain cedar]

Wait it's dying on the getter

This does not make sense

Maybe consts don't actually exist at runtime or something

There's no reason they would have to

[silk jetty]

somebody should make a mod for hollow knight that makes it so that TASing is possible

make all the things that are stupid and inconsistent actually consistent

[rain cedar]

I'm gonna do something stupid

[copper nacelle]

KDT started on that Adrain

And then he got bored and the game updated

[leaden hedge]

you took too long

[twin jackal]

I have a question

[leaden hedge]

to add input playback

[twin jackal]

Is it possible to get a Belfly

[silk jetty]

maybe

[copper nacelle]

I mean you could've done it yourself in like twenty minute

[twin jackal]

Correction; a belfly companion

How?

[copper nacelle]

The reason it took me so long is I had barely used monomod before that

[leaden hedge]

i dont have any api or monomod stuff set up

[copper nacelle]

git clone

extreme difficulty I know

[leaden hedge]

yes

[copper nacelle]

[leaden hedge]

anyway updating tas.cs is like 20m work

[safe hamlet]

git bad

tas?

[copper nacelle]

Tool assisted speedrun

[safe hamlet]

o

[leaden hedge]

if i could be bothered i could program a pattern matcher

and have it stay upto date

as I doubt the jump function changes much

[rain cedar]

I have made the stupid code

I know that reflection works for getting consts

So the obvious solution was to emit a function for getting with reflection

[copper nacelle]

Why not just cache the constants to a dict

[rain cedar]

Impossible

That does make much more sense though

Or I could just make the caching ignore consts

Nobody needs to get consts anyway

I think this was a waste of time

202ms to cache 4 classes with a ton of logging

This isn't causing stutters

126ms without the logging

[copper nacelle]

Unfortunate

[safe hamlet]

getting the constant doesn't work?

[rain cedar]

Yes

It crashes in the JIT

[safe hamlet]

oof

[rain cedar]

No error to catch, just dead

I made it throw instead of that, at least

Just hardcode the constants if you need them I guess

Not like they're changing any time soon

[solemn rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327461802311155714/584840635782004912/unknown.png wtf homothety

how

also

overleaf

[unborn flicker]

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-9890(200211)109%3A9<796%3AACVOES>2.0.CO%3B2-2

👏 Carrying 👏 is 👏 a 👏 cocycle 👏

[solemn rivet]

here's what I'm studying rn https://arxiv.org/abs/math/0403248v1

[unborn flicker]

Everything's well and good up until you start flipping arrows

then 😖 😫

[solemn rivet]

I mean, I literally only study coalgebras tho

[unborn flicker]

I can fake knowing what a module is

[solemn rivet]

I'm way more comfortable with them than with algebras

divide and conquer

o

I have an idea

I think I'll give a brief motivation for studying coalgebras on stream tonight

[unborn flicker]

I like it

[solemn rivet]

the idea is: try defining groups without using elements

[dawn oxide]

has anything interesting been made recently

[unborn flicker]

no

room rando has not been made recently

[warped sinew]

Do you guys think kein will reappear when Silksong comes out??

[charred parrot]

who?

[floral furnace]

ancient modder

[solemn rivet]

Wait, room rando is done?

[safe hamlet]

is it

x doubt

[solemn rivet]

only one way to find out

@ 56 can you randomize my bedroom?

[safe hamlet]

gradow, are you streaming today?

[solemn rivet]

uhhh maybe?

[charred parrot]

im streaming tonight

it will be called

Lazy Hours

and I will be famous

[safe hamlet]

you can keep dreaming buddy

[charred parrot]

I will be the next ninja

[safe hamlet]

[solemn rivet]

why do you ask sidboi

[charred parrot]

maybe he just likes watching you stream

[solemn rivet]

that'd be cute

that's why I don't think that's it

[unborn flicker]

"geometrically" is increasingly becoming a huge weasel word for me

G E O M E T R I C A L L Y

[solemn rivet]

""geometrically""

[weak lodge]

nonsense maths exists

[unborn flicker]

I'm sorry cohomology is very real math

it's uh, where you take the coboundary of your uh cocycle in uh your cochain complex

something like that at least

[solemn rivet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homology_(mathematics)#Origins Knightmere

you can think of homology as a sort of generalization of Euler's characteristic formula

V-E+F=2 in 3D or V=E in 2D

[safe hamlet]

smh easy

i could literally learn that in few seconds

[weak lodge]

sigh this is very confusing

[safe hamlet]

klien bottles very cool

[unborn flicker]

nonorientable surfaces OUT OUT OUT 😡

[safe hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k3mVnRlQLU if you haven't seen this legendary video

[solemn rivet]

another way to think of homology is another way of measuring "how many holes your figure has, and of which type they are?"

[safe hamlet]

nou

[solemn rivet]

except algebraists (like myself) use homology and cohomology on things that don't even know what a hole is

[safe hamlet]

[unborn flicker]

another way to think of cohomology is that you take homology and reverse all the arrows and nothing is different but now you can multiply things for some reason

that's where I get my intuition normally

[solemn rivet]

because you can add things in homology

so it makes sense to multiply things in cohomology

because, for those who were unaware, multiplying and adding are mathematically dual to each other

literally by definition

that's why I love categorical pov instead of a set-theoretical one

you can literally define addition and multiplication without being co-dependant

and they are trivially commutative, associative etc.

[charred parrot]

homology is when organisms share structures or genetic sequences as a result of evolution

fools

[unborn flicker]

wrong

[charred parrot]

what is this math nonsense

[solemn rivet]

whereas in set theory you'd have to prove those

[unborn flicker]

categories are really cool

I hope someday I find diagrams intuitive

[copper nacelle]

monad is a monoid in the category of endofunctors

[solemn rivet]

uhh

yeah

but that's not usually how monads are presented tho

but sure

[unborn flicker]

I can do commutative triangles really well, squares decently, and rectangles make my eyes glaze

[trim totem]

math stream

[solemn rivet]

sure

[copper nacelle]

the only category theory i know is the stuff in haskell

[solemn rivet]

wut

[copper nacelle]

monads are in haskell

as are functors

[solemn rivet]

give me like 30min give or take khan

[unborn flicker]

haskell is category theory the programming language edition

[copper nacelle]

^

[unborn flicker]

I've heard

[solemn rivet]

oh right

yeah

there's a lot of category theory being developed by people in CS too

https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/lambda-calculus

https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/relation+between+type+theory+and+category+theory

[shy cloak]

so not looking forward to homothety's rando to be complete

updating randomapmod is gonna be quite a task

there are like hundreds of new pins to manually set the offsets on lol

[unborn flicker]

I'm finished adding items now

but there are a few bugs still

[shy cloak]

ah well there's that

i like the menu now

[shy cloak]

"too many heap sections" crash. Was that your rando or something else probably?

[unborn flicker]

I don't know. I also had that crash though

[shy cloak]

Is that a GC fail? Too many refs hanging around?

I started getting them a few weeks ago before messing with the new rando; I thought it was DebugMod, but I uninstalled it entirely; only thing different is the new rando

Maybe it's an API issue?

[unborn flicker]

The api may be a bit unstable still, since the preloading was just added, I suppose

I had a crash on the unreleased api version too, however

[safe hamlet]

o i also had that once

[fresh cipher]

Wait...map randomizer?

[safe hamlet]

i don't think that's rando

since i don't have rando installed

[unborn flicker]

no

[fresh cipher]

How does that work?

[unborn flicker]

no

[safe hamlet]

it doesn't

[shy cloak]

nope, no room rando yet

RandoMapMod is a mod that shows all the rando locations and whether they're in logic or not

[young walrus]

Should probably change the name of it. Lol

That question is asked far too often

[shy cloak]

That's the first time I've heard it asked

[unborn flicker]

no Mick is right

[shy cloak]

I don't frequent other places though

Fair enough I'll do that next release

"MapsForRando"

[unborn flicker]

yeah, it's a natural point of confusion, I think

since there isn't a "real" room rando on the installer yet

For that matter, it probably would be good to rename Randomizer to ItemRandomizer, to avoid future confusion

I will probably do that at some point

[storm horizon]

has there been a glass steel soul 112% yet?

[shy cloak]

Are you calling it Randomizer3.0 for now or?

[unborn flicker]

no, it's still Randomizer2.0

[shy cloak]

what's this seanprcore.dll?

[unborn flicker]

it's like modcommon, I think

it just gives more convenient tools for modding

[shy cloak]

Yeah that makes sense. I'll find it

[shy cloak]

or that

[unborn flicker]

It's on Sean's github

[shy cloak]

thanks 😃

[solemn rivet]

I'm back

it's maths time bois

[shy cloak]

I'm getting really weird errors in VS... Like the Assembly_CSharp file is wrong

[unborn flicker]

You need the latest unreleased version

sid posted a link to it yesterday

[shy cloak]

Whale then that'll do it

I guess it's not important anyway. Just want to detect which version of rando is being run

[safe hamlet]

@solemn rivet stream broke

[solemn rivet]

rip

[solar jacinth]

guys im shaking , this cursed af the first message of 56 in this discord

56 would never do that

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[copper nacelle]

ok buddy

[weary oyster]

mod abuse

i cant believe #archived-modding-development is no longer the bastion of free speech it once was

[charred parrot]

LOL

this is my first

[copper nacelle]

what

i didn't delete anything ax

[solar jacinth]

monkaHmmmm

[copper nacelle]

ok buddy

[safe hamlet]

relatable

also 2017

[solar jacinth]

i sometimes want to look at all talk history of 56

truly amazing

[copper nacelle]

please don't

[solar jacinth]

ok buddy

[safe hamlet]

cease

i feel like i have asked this before, 56, but is school over?

[copper nacelle]

no

next week

[safe hamlet]

boi

go to sleep

[copper nacelle]

still have like

all of my finals

[safe hamlet]

[floral furnace]

56 go back to modding forget about school yw

[solar jacinth]

multiplayer mod when

[brazen mortar]

it already released last summer

[fresh cipher]

What

[copper nacelle]

any joke

[jovial vault]

no

imagine not finishing your finals already

[charred parrot]

yo guys I'm lazy and don't want to open the game myself

when you dash into a wall

in HK

do you have to wait for the dash to end before being able to wall jump

or will an attempted wall jump cancel the dash early

[royal ridge]

you can wall jump before the dash ends @charred parrot

[charred parrot]

thank you benji sama

[solar jacinth]

yw

[mossy pike]

[jovial vault]

[mossy pike]

pretty sure this is actually the opposite

you have to wait for the dash to end before wall jumping

[jovial vault]

that's what i thought

[weary oyster]

nah you can jump but itll give you the scuffed jump

where you go sideways a bit and then start going upwards

[warped sinew]

Its a weird halfway thing

[royal ridge]

yea

So you can jump off the wall mid dash essentially

[mossy pike]

strange, never noticed that

[solar jacinth]

i did

[mossy pike]

sounds like the baby dash which happens when you wall jump and then try to immediately dash back into the wall

[solar jacinth]

sometimes i walljump on the sky

[weary oyster]

thinkgrub did you really not know that muri? Not tryna sound rude, ive noticed alot of speedrunners not actually test things out, they just follow the route and its crazy

why are all your names related to gradow

[solar jacinth]

because he is cool

[jovial vault]

it's just sugar's name

[mossy pike]

lmao Ax

[solar jacinth]

no

there is taco too

[jovial vault]

2 people

[solar jacinth]

it was 2 before you caame

[trim totem]

weird

[jovial vault]

yeah saleh's alive he liked a dumb tweet of mine

very nice

[solar jacinth]

cool

[floral furnace]

probs just busy irl

[solar jacinth]

maybe he is kidnapped ax2uhmm

i have a modding idea

i ill try to make it real this summer

[jovial vault]

👀

[solar jacinth]

ill try to make mask maker a real mask maker

he sells different masks to you which will change your look

[jovial vault]

oo

[solar jacinth]

where is zaliant ?

did he leave the server

hmmm

i cant find him

[solemn rivet]

He did

[solar jacinth]

why ?

[leaden hedge]

bullied for asking question

[fair rampart]

wowrude

[solar jacinth]

can i get the conversation

and where did that happen

[leaden hedge]

last wednesday

[hazy sentinel]

yes ctrl+f from:zaliant in:modding and in:modding

[leaden hedge]

~14hrs before now

you can't do from zaliant

because they arent here

[solar jacinth]

"where"

[leaden hedge]

here obviously

where else do you get bullied for bad questions

[solar jacinth]

who bullied him

😠

[leaden hedge]

no one

he just got snarky responses

and he took it as hostility

[solar jacinth]

damn

now how the fuck i will find a new composer

[jovial vault]

Unfortunate

[solar jacinth]

😔

[solemn rivet]

he is still on discord, just not on this server

[hazy sentinel]

[e-mail]

[jovial vault]

ok

[leaden hedge]

buy a keyboard

and mash the keys

until it doesn't crash

thats how hk was programmed, so thats how you should make music

[solemn rivet]

savage

[leaden hedge]

I can't help being savage it's in my blood

[mossy pike]

instructions unclear, touhou ost composed

[leaden hedge]

i didn't tell you to get drunk

[mossy pike]

drunk is my middle name

[solar jacinth]

instructions unclear , accidently megalovania composed

[hazy sentinel]

instructions unclear, adverb direct object verb

[solemn rivet]

instructions unclear, clear them please

[charred parrot]

jeez guys

[shy cloak]

Good morning modding!

[solemn rivet]

instructions unclear, good morning dapper!

[charred parrot]

gotta tone down the snark a bit

[solemn rivet]

nou

[hazy sentinel]

gotta tone down the snark a bit

[shy cloak]

gotta tony down the stark a bit

[solemn rivet]

baby snark doodoodoo

[charred parrot]

if we're starting to chase off long time members maybe we should ease off a bit when someone's honestly trying to just ask a question

[hazy sentinel]

long time members hmm

[charred parrot]

come on Zaliant was around for at least 2 months

thats beyond some newbie initially entering the channel and having no sense how most of us act in here

[solemn rivet]

I mean

it honestly looks like it wasn't even that much snarky

I was here shortly after it happened

I'm not entirely sure what happened

homothety was answering his questions, even if he did it with some sarcasm

maybe he was having a rough day?

I still don't think it merits such a reaction tho

[unborn flicker]

oops ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

that was probably only the breaking point though

[solemn rivet]

yeah

but we're usually pretty chill with zaliant tho

[jovial vault]

i think it's become an issue when several people have told me that they'd prefer that they not ask questions in modding
not just zaliant

[solemn rivet]

modding? Not modding-help?

[jovial vault]

ye

[solemn rivet]

that's weird

[hazy sentinel]

if u aren't a toxic piece of shit u can't be a modder sorry bois

[solemn rivet]

veru describes me perfectly

[floral furnace]

gradow is 100% toxic tho pretty sure all 27 tentacles has neurotoxins that makes you puke blood and die

[solemn rivet]

^

[leaden hedge]

i mean this channel isn't even toxic,
you just get shitty answers when you ask shitty questions

and its pretty effective

we get very little shitty questions

[shy cloak]

It wasn't the first time snark met Zalient

I did a slight mean once when Zalient couldn't understand Homothety's postings about the rando changes

[unborn flicker]

I think there is also some hostility because questions never end up where they belong

[weary oyster]

56 is the most wholesome person on this discord veru shut up

[unborn flicker]

There are a lot more people who can help in #randomizer than here

[solemn rivet]

and because the questions in here are usually "can you guys please make this mod for me for free?"

[jovial vault]

wdym the questions never end up where they belong

[unborn flicker]

just like how installation questions never go in #archived-modding-help

I understand the quality of help isn't the best there, but 90% of the time the answer is read the pins in #archived-modding-help

[jovial vault]

ah, that makes sense

[solemn rivet]

yeah

sometimes there are actual tech problems

and then we usually help people solve these

but in here, people who actually come and ask how to mod, which tools to use etc. are usually well received

[jovial vault]

that's fair but I do feel like there is snark and that's especially not conducive to people who are just interested/starting out, like zaliant for example

ofc that doesn't mean this channel has to change, it's just an observation

though ye i will agree it is helpful most of the time

[solemn rivet]

I see what you're saying, it's just that I don't see us being really snarky or mean to people who come here to ask legit questions

we usually are, tho, when joking with each other or when asked low-effort questions

[jovial vault]

fair enough

[solemn rivet]

and I think that after the situation with lobsters a while ago, we have somewhat toned down the snarkiness a bit

[jovial vault]

side note anyone want a super quick doodle i need a warmup drawing before i do game art

[solemn rivet]

even tho I wasn't present at the time

[jovial vault]

I agree

[solemn rivet]

uhhhh

draw me like one of your french girls

[jovial vault]

no.

[solemn rivet]

draw a french girl that looks like me then

[torpid plank]

I would have volunteered, but I am not a girl.

[leaden hedge]

not with that attitude

[jovial vault]

smh why did i ask in this toxic channel

[solemn rivet]

ok

draw a tentacly moth

like this

[jovial vault]

what the fuck

[sweet birch]

Why does no one play with Redwing only?

[solemn basin]

Blackmoth is too much fun.

[solemn rivet]

that's how (some) moths reproduce, mino

isn't it beautiful?

[shy cloak]

Found this in the inventory atlas... weird object