archived-modding-development

[compact sedge]

jesus

[exotic venture]

it only took me 5 headaches and a recompile because my drivers were out of date and wouldn't work with my current revision chipset

[compact sedge]

welp at least it worked?!

yay for technology

[exotic venture]

it's c u s t o m i z a b l e

but yeah i have had my fair share of odds and ends and kubuntu was pretty seamless which i really liked

it even managed to get my SLI setup working due to some black magic

but uhhhhh wireless cards are a different story

so proprietary

so much pain

[compact sedge]

if it's broadcom then ur screwed

[exotic venture]

broadcom, intel, realtek

all had issues

especially the intel ones

especially the older ones

[compact sedge]

if it's realtek then it probably works these days but definitely wouldn't without weirdness or sometimes at all even as recently as 3 years ago.

[copper nacelle]

my mac is broadcom and works p well tbh

[compact sedge]

intel tho. idk never had an intel card

[exotic venture]

and modern ones manage to be even worse

[copper nacelle]

the only thing is

waking from sleep

takes like 30s to get reconnected

reeee

but it's fine

i just have the dkms module

[compact sedge]

my card doesn't need dkms .

[copper nacelle]

ree

[exotic venture]

i'd still wanna try to get a mini-pci to pci adapter and jam a GPU in that slot

[compact sedge]

don't worry, my touchscreen still doesn't work because of a bug with amd motherboards

it's fixable in one line in firmware

but manufacturers lazy

and I'm too scared to modify my firmware assembly code

[exotic venture]

i'll definitely tinker around with command prompt ubuntu though and get some sinatra working before switching to something with an actual domain and getting a VPS

would probably make a personal site with some links to my social media

and some dumb stuff

[compact sedge]

sounds infinitely better than my site lul

[exotic venture]

hey you could still do something like a subdomain right

[copper nacelle]

yeah

[exotic venture]

like angle.radiance.host or something and make that like a portfolio

you can do some pretty dope stuff with some simple html and css

[compact sedge]

uh I think I need a different public IP address or at least different port for each subdomain

but idk that web browsers support more than just 80 or 443

I'm not actually sure

[copper nacelle]

connect it to github.io

ez money

[exotic venture]

i'll try checking it out when i get to making something work

[copper nacelle]

or gitlab.io

iirc

[exotic venture]

and maybe post source so others can also use my poorly planned css

[compact sedge]

pfft I just stole a theme

well it was a MIT licensed theme

[exotic venture]

that's boring i like making my own

[copper nacelle]

do the jetbrains privacy policy thing

[compact sedge]

I wish I had the talent for that

either of those things

[copper nacelle]

[exotic venture]

anyways it's like 1am or something and i gotta get up at 6 so i'll talk to ya later

this was pretty insightful not gonna lie

[timid fiber]

Any word on the randomizer?

[buoyant obsidian]

I forgot how math works

what do I have to multiply x y velocities by to get 3 objects moving outwards from origin equally apart from each other

assume one of the points is straight down

it's just like cos(60) or something right

wait that doesn't make sense

tan(60)

[compact sedge]

k

so if the rate of movement is x

and the direction that your first object is moving is theta

then you want for the first object

a movement vector of

(x cos(theta), x sin(theta) )

for your second

(x cos(theta + 120), x sin(theta + 120) )

and for your third

[copper nacelle]

ahhhhh

[compact sedge]

(x cos(theta + 240), x sin(theta + 240) )

[copper nacelle]

i have a test on that stuff

friday

[compact sedge]

so your x direction movement is your magnitude times the cos of the angle

and your y direction movement is the magnitude times the sin of the angle

because cos is adjacent over hypotenuse ok and if you draw a right triangle where two sides are your x and y movement and the third is your hypotenuse then the hypotenuse is just the magnitude of your movement

you can draw it on paper to see what I'm talking about

and if you draw this triangle you will see that the x movement is always gonna be adjacent and the y movement always opposite.

[buoyant obsidian]

Got the math working, thanks

[copper nacelle]

blessed time

[solemn rivet]

k, finally home

[cunning lagoon]

Nice!

[solemn rivet]

getting to work on that animation player bois

[solemn rivet]

pls halp

if (Input.GetKeyDown(KeyCode.Q))
{
    _heroAnimator.Play(_heroAnimator.Library.clips[0]);
    Log($"Playing clip {_heroAnimator.CurrentClip.name}");
}```why dis not play

it plays it for literally only a frame

no matter what clip I choose

[copper nacelle]

looks just like the fsm action tbh

[solemn rivet]

yup

[hollow pier]

i wish pop updated hazard spawn when you stood on spikes

[solemn rivet]

I think I need it to stop or something

I'll try putting it inside a while

just to be evil

maybe that's what I need tbh

a coroutine

[hollow pier]

is this loss x 10^28931

[odd jetty]

This is debug mod

[cunning lagoon]

did you actually make it that high

[hollow pier]

yeah

[cunning lagoon]

wtf

[hollow pier]

it's not even a bonk

you barely reach that high

[cunning lagoon]

just shriek lol

[hollow pier]

you stand here

jump dj pogo saw dj

and that gets you that high

[copper nacelle]

mop and longnail?

[hollow pier]

yes

[cunning lagoon]

is this the barrier skip of pop speedruns

so close yet so far

PepeHands

[hollow pier]

big loss

til there are two saws

[cunning lagoon]

biggest think

[hollow pier]

why did my audio break

all i did was dive

going down this room is 500x harder than going up

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

[hollow pier]

i did it

where's my pop room 4 backwards rekky

wait it's room 3

[cunning lagoon]

when you beat my room 3 backwards time

[hollow pier]

pain

[cunning lagoon]

had tyo fuckin go through it each time i wanted another shot at practicing the second half bc of the stupid hazard respawn point in the tunnel

[hollow pier]

same

[copper nacelle]

set a dream gate point using debug mod

[cunning lagoon]

get out of here with your logical solutions

[hollow pier]

nope

[solemn rivet]

got it

hero controller has a fucking AnimationController component

deleted that ftl

[hollow pier]

i've discovered the newest competitive category

[cunning lagoon]

backwards pop

[hollow pier]

hit the saw from here as many times before it goes back down

[cunning lagoon]

🤔

[hollow pier]

wr is 4

5 is tas

actually 5 is impossible

[cunning lagoon]

Yeah, I watched that run. It’s insane! But I can see it going higher, maybe 6 with a TAS

[hollow pier]

nope i got 5

the strat is pogo as it comes up

barely make the 5

is 6 tas???

oh wait maybe i can catch it with a pogo as it goes down

[hazy sentinel]

u using quick slash

[hollow pier]

yes

i can't even get 5 anymore

[cunning lagoon]

washed up runner

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/9fcodq/hollow_knight_bosses_ranked_attuned_ascended/

why are oblobbles 7th on the radiant list

[hollow pier]

because people can't fight them

[copper nacelle]

cause oblobbles are clearly extremely difficult

[cunning lagoon]

winged nosk harder than gruz mother

or

[hollow pier]

lmao pv 3

he's like last

[cunning lagoon]

nvm

[hollow pier]

uumuu 6 lmao

wk oromato wd sheo hornet2 all before marmu

[copper nacelle]

marmu is clearly extremely difficult

[cunning lagoon]

marmu is hard 😡

[leaden hedge]

didn't even do this on purpose

[cunning lagoon]

he's an unpredictable buggy pos

[hollow pier]

does the part before pv in p5 have a bench

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

[hollow pier]

oh ok

so i can have a build for pv absrad

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

also replenish your lb

[hollow pier]

imagine doing binds

[buoyant obsidian]

replenish your Lightbringer

[copper nacelle]

did you do absrad radiant

[hollow pier]

no that's a wip

do 1 try every day easy

[cunning lagoon]

nice

[hollow pier]

i almost first tried it

died to climb

hardest part change my mind

[copper nacelle]

1.75x climb is worse

cmm

[cunning lagoon]

not really

[hollow pier]

big dab

[cunning lagoon]

well maybe

[hollow pier]

can i superslide off the saw pogo

stay woke

[hazy sentinel]

no

[copper nacelle]

don't you need a timescale change

[cunning lagoon]

nah 1.75x climb is hella easy

[hollow pier]

yes

[copper nacelle]

absrad climb is hella easy

.

[hollow pier]

so i just kill the saw lmao my ass off

do damage for 12 hours

[hazy sentinel]

just pick up little horn lol

[cunning lagoon]

you have soo much time to react to 1.75x climb

and you move faster which you may or may not see as a good thing

[hazy sentinel]

you have soo much time to react to 1.75x spikes

[cunning lagoon]

😡

[floral furnace]

@compact sedge btw angle i have no fucking idea why but sometimes the fireballs wont register on hit

[compact sedge]

:(

[hollow pier]

you have soo much time to cdash properly at 1:15

[compact sedge]

oh you mean the hollow point fireballs

thought you were talking about redwing for a sec

[cunning lagoon]

wow i didnt know there was a cdash at 1:15

[compact sedge]

it's because they're too fast

[cunning lagoon]

is that the new strat

[solemn rivet]

https://puu.sh/Bu5Lb/b44a598118.mp4 👀

[compact sedge]

they go right through enemies before the game can register hits

[floral furnace]

oh , makes sense

[compact sedge]

you can make their hitbox super long to fix this

[hollow pier]

you waste soo much time on a double pogo

[compact sedge]

don't make them slower tho

because that's lame

make their hitbox like twice as long

and use the modcommon thing to check the hitbox

[cunning lagoon]

i'll get a flawless run one of these days to shut you up

[hollow pier]

this is the wokest

[compact sedge]

it's called DebugHitboxes or something and you can just attach it as a component to it

[hollow pier]

my game actually lagged when i landed

[floral furnace]

aight ill check it out thx AA

[hollow pier]

couldn't comprehend the turnaround

[floral furnace]

just realized is HP even compatible with RW

this is art gradow ngl

[cunning lagoon]

big think

[copper nacelle]

acid death is the best one

[solemn rivet]

Inorite

and they repeat for some reason

I'm now logging the indexes as well, to make sure it's not me actually screwing it up and replaying the same clip twice

[hollow pier]

can we implement a spike landing into the route

[cunning lagoon]

wut

[solemn rivet]

should I record this?

[hollow pier]

this

what do you call it

[cunning lagoon]

oh

[hazy sentinel]

hitbox porn

[hollow pier]

nsfw

[cunning lagoon]

yeah corner or spike landing

[floral furnace]

E

[cunning lagoon]

🅱

[floral furnace]

Hmmm, yes

[solemn rivet]

[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip Airborne which has index 2
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip SlashAlt which has index 3
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip Run which has index 4
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip Slash which has index 5
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip SlashEffect which has index 6
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip SlashEffectAlt which has index 7
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip UpSlash which has index 8
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip DownSlash which has index 9
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip Land which has index 10
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip Dash which has index 1
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip Airborne which has index 2
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip SlashAlt which has index 3
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip Run which has index 4
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip Slash which has index 5
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip SlashEffect which has index 6
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip SlashEffectAlt which has index 7
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip UpSlash which has index 8
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip DownSlash which has index 9
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip Land which has index 10
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip HardLand which has index 11
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip LookDown which has index 12
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip LookUp which has index 13
[INFO]:[Blackmoth] - Playing clip UpSlashEffect which has index 14```excuse me wut

[cunning lagoon]

whats UpSlashEffect

[solemn rivet]

find my error 56

[copper nacelle]

e

[solemn rivet]

it's the up slash animation dlk

[copper nacelle]

why are you doing i+1

[cunning lagoon]

you were supposed to say not much, what's UpSlashEffect with you

[copper nacelle]

also break

wt

[solemn rivet]

because I want to play the next clip when I press E

[copper nacelle]

f

[hollow pier]

wow the saw just looks like a horribly pasted on png

probably because it is

[copper nacelle]

shouldn't you have a field then

i is just gonna get redefined, isn't it?

[cunning lagoon]

yeah the game doesn't actually look good it's all in our heads

[solemn rivet]

and if I don't break, the for makes it play all clips in succession

it's glorious tbh

[copper nacelle]

whymst for

[solemn rivet]

u right

brb

[hollow pier]

wait a minute

can i just go through the tunnel

from above

[cunning lagoon]

i don't think so

i tried for a bit

i also tried skipping the first cdash in the first room but that also seems impossible

[solemn rivet]

noice

[hollow pier]

no it's way too far

[copper nacelle]

gradow no

[solemn rivet]

wut

don't stop me

I'm unstoppable

[copper nacelle]

if (Input.GetKeyUp(KeyCode.E))
{
    PlayClip(++_clipIndex);
}

thank

[solemn rivet]

I can but

wait

wut does ++ before do?

[copper nacelle]

return value after adding

[floral furnace]

it adds 1 before executing

[hazy sentinel]

any

[hollow pier]

oh man if only this happened in pop

[solemn rivet]

and how would that be diff if I used ++ after?

[copper nacelle]

with ++ after you'd get i as the param

with ++ before you get i + 1 as the param

[rain cedar]

Pre vs post increment

[solemn rivet]

so it'd run with i and then set i=i++ ?

[copper nacelle]

with ++ after it does that

[solemn rivet]

yeah

gotcha

much obliged

[hollow pier]

you ever realize if this was an actual wall you could cdash and avoid hazard spawn

[floral furnace]

good times when i forgot increments actually affected the actual value and i kept getting outofbounds exceptions for an hour during my first years

[hollow pier]

pop is garbage i never want to lab anything in this

but i'll find something else that isn't possible and wonder why it isn't

[copper nacelle]

walls which set hazard respawns when

[cunning lagoon]

wait why would avoiding hazard respawn help

[copper nacelle]

it'd help him test

don't have to navigate back down

cause you'd just be there

[cunning lagoon]

but you are wasting time getting to the wall

[hollow pier]

if i could just have my respawn on the corner that'd be better

[cunning lagoon]

so the cycles are off

[hazy sentinel]

just get dgate invuln ez

[solemn rivet]

u ever feel like life is pointless and you're just spinning around aimlessly?

https://puu.sh/Bu66T/685dcb1ae1.mp4

[copper nacelle]

me irl

[hollow pier]

pop saws irl

[hazy sentinel]

why are you doing this

[solemn rivet]

what

that one's for you ttacco

[floral furnace]

thx mr gradow man

[copper nacelle]

wtf

clyde

ree

[solemn rivet]

Imma coming for you boi

[copper nacelle]

haha

@floral furnace is this u

bottom right

[cunning lagoon]

[floral furnace]

😩 👌

[copper nacelle]

😫

[floral furnace]

seriously tho can they like, make clyde commit the stop

[copper nacelle]

i like how writing clyde fixed it

[floral furnace]

you can bypass it anyway by just adding a shitton of white space

[copper nacelle]

is this invuln

until you get hit

[hazy sentinel]

@copper nacelle is this u

[copper nacelle]

yes

[leaden hedge]

i too am invulnerable until I get hit

[copper nacelle]

😡

[leaden hedge]

im like 99.99% sure im immune to bullets too

[cunning lagoon]

"I think the easiest way to get this is, while having 7 mask fragments, use joni's blessing and fragile heart. Then go back to dirtmouth and through the tutorial area, if you just stick to the top area you can reach the lifeseeds. That will give you 2 making it exactly 15. "

Dab1029384756 on what the best way to get lb core is

[copper nacelle]

[cunning lagoon]

the wiki comments are great

[solemn rivet]

and that's it

[cunning lagoon]

maybe even better than the steam forums

[copper nacelle]

spike death antic

[solemn rivet]

213 clips on the knight

[copper nacelle]

which one is cdash

[cunning lagoon]

Fucking HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE that it kicks you out and the Arcane Egg becomes perma missable. Such a HUGE dick move on the devs part.

[hollow pier]

what's worse

[solemn rivet]

best one was qfocus slug

[hollow pier]

steam

wiki

reddit

[solemn rivet]

it jiggles SO much

[cunning lagoon]

from what i've seen wiki is significantly worse

[hollow pier]

hey teo should kick the entire wiki out of the internet like he did to everyone in the discord

[leaden hedge]

hes right you know

[cunning lagoon]

whats the beef with teo

[hazy sentinel]

any wiki prune

[hollow pier]

any spectator role that's literally just don't kick me

[cunning lagoon]

what

[copper nacelle]

x to doubt

[cunning lagoon]

hey guys did you know that you can press select to fall faster

[hollow pier]

wow!!

we should call this tech

quickmap scroll right twice fast fall

[hazy sentinel]

imagine asking for mods on steam forums

[copper nacelle]

@solemn rivet SD Charge Ground?

[hollow pier]

@ xhuis

your mod is garbage

do it his way

[leaden hedge]

if you ask here you get called dumb and gay

[hollow pier]

what

no

[solemn rivet]

oh, lots of animations are SD 56

[hollow pier]

not if you block literally everyone except aa

[copper nacelle]

eeeeee

is this loss

[hollow pier]

night

[hazy sentinel]

speedrun trick

[solemn rivet]

basically, what they do is spawn a dummy copy of the knight on top of it

and have that copy play the animation

that's how they have multiple animations at once

[hollow pier]

you ever realize just unfinished idea

[copper nacelle]

wtf

[hazy sentinel]

😩

[cunning lagoon]

loseing

[leaden hedge]

dummies are used for a bunch of stuff

its why you can just walk out of cutscenes with storage

[solemn rivet]

^

[leaden hedge]

but you're invisible and the cutscene still plays

[hazy sentinel]

imagine knowing how the game works

[solemn rivet]

so there are dummy objects like SD Trail Effects

which is literally just the knight

but it's invisible

and it's only ever used to play the SD Trail effect

[hollow pier]

you've heard of colon three

but have you seen

three colon

[copper nacelle]

why

[hazy sentinel]

you mean з:

[hollow pier]

cyka

[copper nacelle]

blyat

[hollow pier]

z:

kthx

[cunning lagoon]

dashmaster is sans from undertale!!

[hollow pier]

oh ok

[floral furnace]

hahah ebic underbale

[cunning lagoon]

This is the closest comparison I could find (Pic doesn't belong to me, found it on Reddit) To me it seems pretty obvious, just a sans with his legs cut off and then squished into a ball, he's even got his hands in his pocket. But it might just of been a 1 in a million accident.

[cunning lagoon]

i also dislike royal watery

[hollow pier]

@ skurry

[leaden hedge]

royal watery is too watery for me

[hollow pier]

7.8/10

[hazy sentinel]

@stiff bane

[floral furnace]

hollow knight will never have polish because it has too many bugs

xd

[cunning lagoon]

xD

[fair rampart]

Poles like my game

I'm flattered

[hazy sentinel]

why

[hollow pier]

is this mystery

[cunning lagoon]

is this true

[weak lodge]

na hes not complaining about heavy blow

[hollow pier]

joni's hiveblood heal much slower

[cunning lagoon]

lol

[hazy sentinel]

o no

[cunning lagoon]

shit i guess they removed the pop in gm

[hollow pier]

actually happened to me

i beat pop

and it was gone??/

[cunning lagoon]

negative steam reviews are also a good way to find gems like this one

[floral furnace]

literally its one area

the fuck

[cunning lagoon]

one optional area which is not even that hard and its full of intended skips to make it easier for people who are trash at the game

[hollow pier]

wait he made it to the third-rate knockoff in 22 hours

amazing

[slow fable]

entire game bad because there's hard platforming in one place, and since we know super meat boy invented platforming, the entire game is a ripoff

[cunning lagoon]

yea thats actually kinda impressive

[hollow pier]

or he saw the no-hit glitchless and wasn't impressed

[fair rampart]

oh yeah

I remember everyone got pissed

because I accidently preformed that glitch

[floral furnace]

have you tried

shade dashing

[hollow pier]

wonder if he knows about dive

[cunning lagoon]

so many people complain about traitor lord

i wonder why

[hollow pier]

how

[cunning lagoon]

he feels

idk hella easy

[copper nacelle]

cause he is

[hollow pier]

because you know about cast + down

[cunning lagoon]

but everyone cries about him

[hazy sentinel]

dude he does 2 masks of damage per hit

pixel perfect attacks

[hollow pier]

[copper nacelle]

[floral furnace]

btw angle the screen shake is probably throwing an exception which breaks one of the reloading functions, other than that shake works fine as it is

[cunning lagoon]

like i could understand people having trouble with rad or nkg

[hazy sentinel]

-5

[copper nacelle]

-5 ammo

[hazy sentinel]

nice

[hollow pier]

that's -5 ange my mind

get it right

[leaden hedge]

nice lines for bullets

[floral furnace]

real shit tl isnt that hard dont abuse shade dash at the wrong time

smh

its supposed to be a magazine

[cunning lagoon]

you literally dont need shade dash or dd for anything

other thasn the shockwaves ofc

[hollow pier]

ftfy

[leaden hedge]

also why even have ingame text for that

surely you either want dark grey + white bullets for ammo count or just x/y 🤔

[floral furnace]

cuz, placeholder

[leaden hedge]

thats my point

why not just use the default text

[floral furnace]

again dunno why people complained about TL the update just made his fight into something you actually had to use half of your brain atleast

Wait wait kdt im fucking dumb im not getting what you mean what default text

[cunning lagoon]

is this me

[floral furnace]

yes

[hollow pier]

wow

[cunning lagoon]

someone who actually likes absrad

[hollow pier]

a sensible individual

[cunning lagoon]

truly a rare sight

[hollow pier]

on the steam forums

now if only we could find one on reddit or the wiki

[hollow pier]

wait 76 points

big pog

[cunning lagoon]

nice

[floral furnace]

Mine Monarch Myla boss fight when

[hollow pier]

no

[cunning lagoon]

i think this is my favourite one so far

[floral furnace]

i had no idea people still uses the word "epic fail"

[hollow pier]

we use it for posts like these

[slow fable]

they use multiple times
like it's a real word

[hazy sentinel]

How can i suppose to dodge with this High RNG instant laser and the spawn duration are too fast?

[hollow pier]

wow nice typo

[rain cedar]

I mean their second point is a real thing

[cunning lagoon]

yeah

[hollow pier]

it is a freaky bug

[cunning lagoon]

and i could agree with the first one aswell

[hollow pier]

still reactable just stay in the middle lol

[cunning lagoon]

but both are fixed on beta

[compact sedge]

you can use text for bullets. Just use the bullet unicode @floral furnace ⁍

[floral furnace]

ohh you mean like that

yes this is a good character

[hollow pier]

needs more green

[cunning lagoon]

⁍

[compact sedge]

when it gets to 9 and below do ammo: ⁍⁍⁍⁍⁍⁍⁍⁍⁍

but after 9 do ammo: 10

[floral furnace]

or ⁍ + 10

or something like that

[compact sedge]

⁍ x 10

maybe

[floral furnace]

probably

[leaden hedge]

just do a bullet but bold 🤔

maybe make it golderer

[hazy sentinel]

lore btw

[rain cedar]

What's a la?

[compact sedge]

it's from LA

[leaden hedge]

mispelt allah

[compact sedge]

Weathered max is my favorite part of Los angeles

fixed it

[hazy sentinel]

any crop

[leaden hedge]

no

[solemn rivet]

56 do you have the fsm name of the knight beating radiance in void form?

[copper nacelle]

no

[solemn rivet]

k

[copper nacelle]

probably in resources tho

[solemn rivet]

ye

gonna fsm hunt

[olive shore]

Anyone know how the Bonfire and Lightbringer mod interact>

?

Like does the damage scale up appropriately? Or how the soul upgrades work?

[copper nacelle]

i updated the modding api w/ a monomod that has the unhook thing fixed

[fair rampart]

was monomod named that as a joke about monomon the teacher

[exotic venture]

nah it existed before it got incorporated into Hollow Knight

[fair rampart]

oic

[rain cedar]

It's a modding framework with a mono backend

Real mystery where the name monomod came from

[exotic venture]

[plucky fog]

does anyone know if there's a "benches actually do what they're supposed to do in the Pantheon of Hallownest" mod

[cunning lagoon]

No

[plucky fog]

is one being developed?

[cunning lagoon]

No

[plucky fog]

Alrighty then, guess us No-Skills will have to wait a bit longer

[buoyant obsidian]

that would be a stupid mod

[exotic venture]

casual reminder that initially there were no benches or resting spots planned

[buoyant obsidian]

casual reminder that Graig is their lead playtester

[exotic venture]

actually I think Graig supported the idea of having breaks inbetween

[plucky fog]

so that's what they call a break

well then

I'm not saying we need ALL the benches to be functional

benches in panths 1-4 would not work either way

[exotic venture]

they're not gonna be functional

[plucky fog]

maybe a halfway checkpoint in panth of hallownest

[exotic venture]

it's not gonna happen

it's like path of pain

a story of Suck It Up

[plucky fog]

path of pain actually gave you a checkpoint

when you hit that switch

[exotic venture]

wow it skips one section nice

[plucky fog]

you can return by doing the easier first segment and continue from where you left off

one section that people despise, mystery

that's all it is.

that's all I'm asking for here, as well

[exotic venture]

it's not even the worst part

[plucky fog]

well ofc

[exotic venture]

it's probably one of the easiest ones

[plucky fog]

the worst part is the end

but it still saves time

again, I'm not asking for it to be easier. I'm asking for it to be less time-consuming

[exotic venture]

2 minutes or something lmao

[plucky fog]

from footage it takes people a lot longer than that.

well I mean, maybe if you're speedrunning it

really badly

[exotic venture]

[plucky fog]

point is, even PoP knew not to fuck with people past their upper limits. Instead, it simply rose exactly to their upper limits, by giving them a tiny, but existent, time-skip.

Pantheon of Hallownest could do good to be a bit more like Path of Pain.

[exotic venture]

it's supposed to be the biggest challenge though

so I'd say it doesn't need that at all

[plucky fog]

again, just because there's a small time skip doesn't mean it's not a challenge. It can still be hard as fuck, don't get me wrong. But just because something needs to be hard as hell doesn't mean it needs to be long as hell.

I love a challenge. I will not stand for a waste of time.

[young walrus]

then don't play it

ez

[exotic venture]

^

[young walrus]

fight the bosses in hall of gods

that's what you're asking

you want to still fight them, but want it broken up

HoG was made for you

[exotic venture]

it's an optional pantheon

[plucky fog]

well, where's the challenge in that?

[exotic venture]

you don't need to play it

[young walrus]

exactly.

so you don't need the checkpoints

cuz that eliminates the challenge of you know.... being a boss rush

[plucky fog]

all I'm saying is challenge does not equal time-consumption.

otherwise games like BoI would be the hardest games

yet they're not

they're hard, but they're not challenging.

[exotic venture]

problem is, it's optional, you don't have to do any of it if you don't want to

[plucky fog]

I'm not even asking for an official solution- I'm asking for a mod so that people like me can actually get to the end of a pantheon without using hours of our lives.

[young walrus]

use debug mod

[exotic venture]

use debug mod and skip through the thing with a 3000 damage nail before turning it down when you need it

easy solution

[plucky fog]

that's no challenge at all. Again, I'm looking for just the right amount of challenge without making it cheaty or absolutely murdering your free time.

...though I suppose that your solution could work, mystery.

would be cool if that could be built in to one mod, but you know, can't have everything

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I guess that'll work as a temporary workaround

[exotic venture]

tbh even what you are suggesting is technically cheating since it's not an in game thing

[cunning lagoon]

either way you are going to cheat it so do whatever you want

inb4 "benches being checkpoints wouldn't be cheating because that's how benches work"

[plucky fog]

well then, guess I'll have to balance out the cheating so it's less bullshit and more doable but still a challenge.

[exotic venture]

you wanna use mods to make it less of a chore?

sure, do whatever

[plucky fog]

I want to use mods to make it painful in all the right ways.

[exotic venture]

but we're not gonna be as impressed when you do it all bindings with mods because even a child can do that

[plucky fog]

who cares? This is for us, the players. And besides, "it's optional"

[exotic venture]

you do you my dude

you do you

[plucky fog]

you can still record yourself beating it with no benches and get all the praise in the world.

[exotic venture]

you can still up your nail damage like that though

debug mod solves all your problems just like that

[plucky fog]

alright, then.

I guess that'll work, for now...

just know that there are crowds of people like me who are all asking for the same thing.

this isn't over in any way.

[exotic venture]

they should suck it up, frankly

[plucky fog]

that's borderline elitist. Not everyone has the endurance to go through 45 minutes of hell over and over again.

[exotic venture]

it's not elitist, it's the challenge that's provided

the pantheon of hallownest is the magnum opus of the game, the final true test

to say you need endurance, wits, and intimate game knowledge to complete it is more than natural imo

[plucky fog]

guess our definitions of challenge are different.

My definition is simple as this:

A way to push your skills to the limits, giving greater than usual punishments and greater than usual rewards for completion. Challenges should not take too long or they become chores.

that's all I'm asking.
a way to make getting through all those bosses before absrad less of a chore

I commend the players who've completed it as is

but not all of us are like that.

[exotic venture]

it's optional, you don't need to complete it

if the challenge is too much you don't have to endure the endless stream of bosses

but it's part of how the final pantheon is made, and altering to make it easier like that is really lame

if you wanna do boss rushes with breaks, do the hall of gods

and if you are ready to endure them all in one fell swoop, you do the ultimate test

[plucky fog]

forget even a death-checkpoint. If you're forced to leave because of IRL reasons, it would be nice to be able to resume where you left off, with all your HP and SOUL being exactly how you left it

I'm starting to get what you're saying, otherwise

[exotic venture]

I remember this conversation with someone who wanted this exact same thing with path of pain

[plucky fog]

pfft, suck it up. Path of pain actually gives you a time skip

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[exotic venture]

same shit here

Suck it up, hombre, for you have more than enough checkpoints in between and if you have the time to do it it will take you less than an hour to complete

it's not worse than path of pain

and just like it, completely optional

[plucky fog]

alright, then

just really wanted to experience the new ending for myself

but I guess that's fine.

[exotic venture]

then practice

and you'll manage

practice in the halls, practice the other pantheons

[odd jetty]

Hall of gods is there for you to practice

normally boss rushes don't allow you to practice bosses

[exotic venture]

it's not an impossible task, you just need practice

[odd jetty]

so, quit whining and git gud.

👍

[plucky fog]

fair enough

[odd jetty]

Good boi

[plucky fog]

(that last part tho)

[solemn rivet]

I guess the main point here is what Mys has already alluded to. You ARE entitled to everything there is to experience in the, but that doesn't mean that you HAVE to, or that you even SHOULD. It's like saying that games that have a "true ending" hidden behind the highest difficulty setting are in the wrong and should offer crutches to the less experienced players. That's missing the point entirely. The point is - that ending is supposed to be a reward for the enduring players, NOT to the average player (simply because they don't deserve being rewarded for their efforts).

Complaining about this is basically the same as complaining about the number of korok seeds in BOTW. You're not supposed to do it, unless you're willing to spend copious amounts of time and get frustrated. You're not entitled to the reward just because you own the game.

[cunning lagoon]

nah im pretty sure godmaster is bad

[blissful burrow]

This

[solemn rivet]

That?

[blissful burrow]

No

This

[hollow pier]

terrible hours of free content please just give me pvp mode

[blissful burrow]

Pasta goes here

[cunning lagoon]

maby a new lagre location like sity of tears

[hollow pier]

i was dissappointed by this addon.

[solemn rivet]

More like shitty of tears amirite

[hollow pier]

i made shortcuts on my phone for pastas but i forgot the shortcuts

[floral furnace]

Something something i remember seeing someone say how TC betrayed us and how they ripped us off and how they stole our money because godmaster bad something something

[blissful burrow]

That's exactly what I'd expect from you Ptkyr

[daring snow]

Ptkyr truly 200IQ

[solemn rivet]

Why is speedrunning leaking into here?

👀

[cunning lagoon]

this is #speedrunning now

[hollow pier]

i only remember hkpasta which is i was dissappointed by this addon.

pretty sure i misspelt the typos

[solemn rivet]

There are more blue posts than green posts

Tfw you typo the typo

[hollow pier]

too lazy to fix it

i'll go find the other shortcut

[daring snow]

we see P5 bench memes

[blissful burrow]

Hey what does #archived-modding-development think of #hk-lore

[daring snow]

we swarm like sharks

[solemn rivet]

We hate it

Dlk hates it more than anyone else

But we all hate it

[blissful burrow]

Kuro doesn't count he's slower than me

[hollow pier]

oh it's monhk

[blissful burrow]

Don't worry about it

[cunning lagoon]

not for long

[hollow pier]

MonStahLer, try Dark Souls series, with you skill you will be very good in it.

[blissful burrow]

Keep dreaming kid

[cunning lagoon]

sub 40 is free i just have to not mess up qga 7 times in a row

ez

[blissful burrow]

Sub 40 is free I just have to not die in den

ez

[cunning lagoon]

[plucky fog]

well then, now that I'm done bitching

what mods would you guys recommend?

[cunning lagoon]

qol infinite grimm lost lord mantis gods blackmoth redwing lightbringer

[hazy sentinel]

the block everyone in #archived-modding-help mod

[hollow pier]

grass volume to 9999 mod

[cunning lagoon]

i already said lightbringer

also debug ofc

[hollow pier]

no that's elegy

[cunning lagoon]

also exaltation is good

[plucky fog]

the only one I'm skeptical about is the Blackmoth mod...

don't get me wrong, I love the idea!

but nail damage 1?

really?

[hazy sentinel]

almost like u dash

[hollow pier]

dashing in 2018

real players teleport

[plucky fog]

teleporting suggests movement

I'd recommend simply not existing

[solemn rivet]

The idea of blackmoth is just to not use the nail at all

I would have made it 0 damage if it didn't break the game

[young walrus]

inb4 "wow that's dumb. what a stupid mod. that's not what I want at all."

[solemn rivet]

Then I'd just tell them no to play it, ez

That's why recommending mods blindly is dumb

[young walrus]

unacceptable

do exactly what I want

[hollow pier]

use pdt and boss hpbars

[solemn rivet]

Ok, I'll beat dlk's pop time

[plucky fog]

although I do like the power of dashing...

[compact sedge]

YOU WILL PLAY LIGHTBRINGER AND YOU WILL LIKE IT

[plucky fog]

ok ;-;

[solemn rivet]

Noice

[compact sedge]

but seriously the power curve in blackmoth is crazy. you start out about as strong as the vanilla game and by the end you are like an actual god

[plucky fog]

is the mod balanced?

[compact sedge]

its really fun tho

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[plucky fog]

alright, I might try it out

[young walrus]

well the mod hasn't fallen down yet

[hollow pier]

gradow post gif

[young walrus]

so must have good balance

[plucky fog]

how exactly does blackmoth uumuu work tho

do you just

hug it

[compact sedge]

can I just throw this out there

the most balanced DnD game is 4th edition.

Balanced != good

[solemn rivet]

I'm on class ptk, u do it

[hollow pier]

i'm on school

[plucky fog]

what's the qol mod

[young walrus]

the spinning one in black egg is the best one

[plucky fog]

what changes does it make

[young walrus]

nothing you'd care about

speedrun stuffs

[solemn rivet]

Tbh balance is also subjective

[compact sedge]

it lets you use unencrypted saves

[plucky fog]

assuming I don't care about speedruns

[hollow pier]

it adds back the one thing blurring the line

[young walrus]

well you're complaining about the pantheons. so it's a pretty safe assumption

[compact sedge]

(I mean 4e was pretty mathematically balanced, but the problem is it was also balanced around 3 hour long fights)

[solemn rivet]

Like you were arguing about panth5, but most people here seem to find it just fine

[plucky fog]

just because I'm complaining about pantheons doesn't mean I don't care abut speedruns

[hollow pier]

absrad is bullshit and rng 😠

[solemn rivet]

I mean, about balance being subjective

[plucky fog]

and besides, I made it to PV in the panth before an IRL issue came up

shame

[compact sedge]

that's true

[plucky fog]

yeah, guess I should have paused :/

dumbassery on my side

[compact sedge]

you can even put your computer to sleep.

[young walrus]

same with switch yeah? pause and put in standby

for YEARS

[plucky fog]

also, would you guys consider the new "exaltation mod" cheese

I find it great because it glorifies charms depending on specific pantheons completed

but I'd like an outsider's opinion on balance

[young walrus]

cheese in what way

you're modding the game

so it's "cheese" by default

[buoyant obsidian]

If you aren't good enough to beat it Exaltation seems like a pretty good way to cheat

[hollow pier]

75panth3

[buoyant obsidian]

shhhh

[young walrus]

don't ask us if it's cheese. ask yourself

are you going to feel satisfied beating p5 with a mod on?

[hollow pier]

is milk cheese

[young walrus]

if so, then do it

if not, then don't

[buoyant obsidian]

Lightbringer is balanced

beat it with that

[hollow pier]

can the audio be balanced too

[buoyant obsidian]

ask 56

[plucky fog]

you're right, it might be cheese.

[buoyant obsidian]

tbh I can probably just disable the sound and add my own

[hollow pier]

753 sound effects

[buoyant obsidian]

but Shitmodst is more important

[leaden hedge]

beat p5 with darkmod

[plucky fog]

so, I'm starting a new playthrough. The mods are Blackmoth and Redwing. Anything else?

LIghtbringer

[fair rampart]

hk doesn't really lend itself well to modpacks

[cunning lagoon]

just losed steel soul run tc give it back 😡

[hollow pier]

I was really near end

[slow fable]

how to do die to broken vessel anyway?

[leaden hedge]

have your hp reduce to 0

[compact sedge]

idk once I beat mantis lords the rest of the SS run is kinda easy

[fair rampart]

I still struggle with hornet 2 more than I have any aright to

[plucky fog]

broken vessel

near the end

[buoyant obsidian]

hornet 2 was so easy

[plucky fog]

I beat it with an old nail

it was hell

I didn't know about upgrades at the time

[odd jetty]

Spells is all you need anyways

Shaman stone and soul eater is broken

[leaden hedge]

I jus die to hornet in greenpath in steal sole, I wus so close to end. 😠

[buoyant obsidian]

me die guz mother And theft soul run end quick

very near finish

[odd jetty]

Steal Sole, So, horse shoes?

[plucky fog]

Holy soul crawlids are to stronk, they end my run, I was so close Radience!

[solemn rivet]

Blackmoth + Redwing is quite different from blackmoth only

Redwing is easily more broken than blackmoth in terms of damage

You literally melt anything

[cunning lagoon]

ill melt u

[compact sedge]

yeah I'm balancing it rn but the one on the drive is still p strong

this is roughly the power curves of redwing blackmoth and the base game as I see it.

(the sharp spike for blackmoth is when you get grubberfly)

[river eagle]

Have you got any artists to do sprites for you yet?

[compact sedge]

I wish

I mean papers did the flame shield which was awesome

[plucky fog]

doesn't redwing make you literally explode every time you get hit

and everyone around you instantly dies for the most part

[compact sedge]

not quite but almost

there's a cooldown on you exploding but that and the shield you get are your strongest early game power stuff

those two abilities they don't scale into the lategame that well tho.

I'm reworking a LOT of stuff tho

so basically you exploding will cost you "soul" or flame to be more precise.

[odd jetty]

if you make your character stronger you need to make your enemies stronger tho

or you won't get any fun factor back

[compact sedge]

thatswhatyouthink

but seriously it's hard to make easy games fun

challenge is, ironically, a crutch

that's why I'm making a real legit hardmode for redwing once I'm done balancing the fire and also a radiant mode for redwing which will be like glass soul except you can take one hit if your soul bar is full.

[fair rampart]

so uh.. how does the blackmoth mod work?

[cunning lagoon]

read the readme

[fair rampart]

smart

[cunning lagoon]

but tldr you do 1 damage with your nail

but your dash does the normal nail damage

[odd jetty]

that's OP

[cunning lagoon]

so you do damage by dashing

[odd jetty]

do you get soul by dashing too?

[cunning lagoon]

yes

[odd jetty]

that's mega OP

[compact sedge]

see my power curve charts above lul

[odd jetty]

I would immediately get dash master in that dash mod

does it have any difference if you get sharpshadow or shade cloak?

[compact sedge]

you see how crazy that power curve is towards the lategame

that's because shade cloak gives you double damage

and sharp shadow lets you go through walls

[odd jetty]

oh

[compact sedge]

so shade cloak plus f strength ok

that's actually like 3x dmg

[odd jetty]

dash master increase your DPS even more

because you dash way more

[compact sedge]

no you can already instadash without cooldowns, well a 1 frame cooldown which stops you from getting a turbo button and never taking damage

[odd jetty]

oh

[compact sedge]

dashmaster lets you dash three times in the air before touching the ground

now I played on an older version when I did a blackmoth playthrough

and that did not have the turbo button fix

so needless to say there's this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/297468195026239489/450039393911177226/amazin14.mp4

[odd jetty]

And what happens when you use dashslash?

[copper nacelle]

@plucky fog use fury

ez

then just swap charms at pure vessel

[hazy sentinel]

use bench checkpoint mod

[fair rampart]

I have a quick suggestion for the creator of the bonfire mod: change the way the scaling works. It makes it useless if you have 100 nail damage, when everything has 200 health, making even tiktiks a chore to kill

[young walrus]

kek

you built your character wrong then

[compact sedge]

I mean the math formula sheet makes it look like the main char is pretty strong

[young walrus]

or killed dreamers too fast

[compact sedge]

even if you just put 1 point into everything

[fair rampart]

no, im just saying if you DID do that

i haven't

[compact sedge]

you could always grind infinite grimm for levels. you get quite a lot of money from him when you're doing 100 dmg each hit

[copper nacelle]

grind ngg for levels

[fair rampart]

I haven't gotten 100 nail dmg

I will be using the mod once I can get large amounts of geo fast lol

[compact sedge]

the enemies don't go up in health that much the way it curves

in fact you get much stronger much faster

than they do

[solemn rivet]

Where's that geogebra app with the scaling?

^

[fair rampart]

aka once I know nkg's attacks to a T

and can fight him for an hour to get like 100 thousand geo

[copper nacelle]

[fair rampart]

(or something like that)

[cunning lagoon]

fight him for 6 hours

you get more geo that way

[copper nacelle]

how much did you get

[fair rampart]

..

[copper nacelle]

40k?

[cunning lagoon]

let me check

ah youtube deleted the video

[compact sedge]

uh you can learn him by fighting him and while you're fighing him get geo from fighting him

so it works out

[cunning lagoon]

bc copyright or something

sad

[compact sedge]

wtf

rip

[copper nacelle]

rip

[compact sedge]

that was like the best video ever about that mod

goddamn it

[fair rampart]

good point

[cunning lagoon]

dont tell anyone but the 10k in one hit mode timed is more impressive

[compact sedge]

did you even make it to the end of the timer?

[cunning lagoon]

nah i had 1:30 left

died to the dumbest thing

[compact sedge]

see what's impressive to me is you didn't just do 10k in one hit

you did it on the new hardmode

with the death spikes and death walls

and death everything

[cunning lagoon]

yea

i got 50816 geo

from the 6 hour fight

[compact sedge]

so that's an impressive... 141 geo a minute which is actually impressive because I balanced the mod around an expected average gain of 100 geo per minute.

but anyway it will be a lot higher with bonfire

[cunning lagoon]

what can i say im efficient at killing him 😎

[compact sedge]

what with your 200 damage attacks

BS you didn't even kill him

you died in the end

[cunning lagoon]

right

fair enough

[plucky fog]

...someone said something about 100 damage hits

you've got me interested

[copper nacelle]

[rain cedar]

haha yes

[fair rampart]

question: for infinite grimm, do you have to kill nkg once before you can do the infinite version?

[copper nacelle]

yes

[fair rampart]

oh rip

;-;

[cunning lagoon]

wdym rip

[copper nacelle]

inb4 banished

[cunning lagoon]

does ig work if you banish

[copper nacelle]

nope

[cunning lagoon]

lmao nice

[compact sedge]

not a bug

[leaden hedge]

just use debug 🤔

[cunning lagoon]

why do all my runs die in greenpath

it cant be that hard to press quick cast at the right time

right?

[hollow pier]

reminder that monstah can't fireball skip

[slow fable]

you also need to jump

[cunning lagoon]

ah that's where i was fucking up

i forgot to jump

[leaden hedge]

hold left on analog rebind right on dpad to be right and fireball

ez

works 50% of the time 100% of the time

[cunning lagoon]

what is this bullshit

[copper nacelle]

hornet softlock

[cunning lagoon]

wonderful

fantastic

it was a good greenpath too PepeHands

does this happen often

how can i avoid it

[copper nacelle]

no and idk if you even can tbh

[hollow pier]

just don't kill her at the gate

and also don't stagger when she dashes into the ground

[cunning lagoon]

yea let me just ask her nicely to move left

[hollow pier]

you can kill her on the ground

[cunning lagoon]

i'll kee p tat in mind

im fucking mad though

[rain cedar]

kee p tat

[fair rampart]

we did it reddit

[vapid cape]

Have you put any thought into spreading some charms through optional goals like bindings yet?

It's the main thing I REALLY wanna see from your mod.

[hollow pier]

congrats on 5k upvotes xhu

[copper nacelle]

@cunning lagoon howmst ngg down dive