raining's map doesn't have it that i can see
#archived-modding-development
buoyant wasp
deep pilot
oh yeah, it might be a possible soft lock in that case
randomizer doesn't mix in abilities with relics, does it?
buoyant wasp
no
deep pilot
good
cause whoever made the 110% mod still hasn't added a logic check to fix getting locked out of the seal in the beast's den
and I'd hate to see the randomizer forget about it too
buoyant wasp
really don't wanna cheat to get out if there is a viable way out with just double jump, but i'm not used to going in without skipping it either ๐
oh, actually, i have an idea, might be able to get something to follow me
ok, you can get out by shade pogo
lament wren
good job mate!
buoyant wasp
you might be get up to the dreamer without mantis, but i'm not gonna try it
already did CP without mantis, that sucked
young walrus
pretty sure you can't
you'd need a shade pogo if anything
and don't think you could even get back up to the shade room from the bench below
buoyant wasp
you can't get out of the room with the bench without a pogo
buoyant wasp
man that seed was so troll-y
mantis claw was shape of unn, ismas was behind descending dark, dive was behind deep focus, ugh
is the only viable way up CP without claw to pogo off the spikes where the grub is?
buoyant obsidian
"Why don't your mods support the cracked version of the game"
rose barn
this there a boss rush mod for this game?
buoyant obsidian
Yep, only available through PM. want it?
graceful copper
ak
quick ravine
so... I think the save manager overwrote all my saves with my first save. x.x
quick ravine
maybe? x.x
leaden hedge
it makes backups though
theres a button that loads the selected file into all the slots
quick ravine
how do I restore backups?
leaden hedge
they are just in the save folder
quick ravine
also it's really hard to use when the data doesn't update till I close and open it again... >>
leaden hedge
hksm-back
quick ravine
I'm still seeing all the same files. x.x
like every save seems to be the same no matter what backup I try to load
leaden hedge
the data on the left doesn't update when you load a save in
quick ravine
No but like, I've closed and opened the game and nothing changed. They're all still the one save that replaced everything
quick ravine
Yeah and all of those seem to be the same too
and loading them just makes more dupes
leaden hedge
did you go with the window explorer
quick ravine
No.
quick ravine
oh okay
leaden hedge
I can tell all the 63kb files are dupes because they are the same size
quick ravine
so only the ones that were changed to user1-4.dat.bak are different
quick ravine
Most of 'em were.
The were all over 300kb
but the first one was 350 and all the rest were less
leaden hedge
ok so did you get back the original ones?
quick ravine
I think so. I didn't test them but I'm confident they're the files I think they are.
Thanks though :3
Yeah they're the ones I was missing :3
rose barn
can anyone tell me how to run mods on mac?
leaden hedge
you need a mod thats made for mac
leaden hedge
what files are in the mod
rose barn
let's start with the boss rush one
i seen people on reddit claiming this discord can help with that
leaden hedge
ok, what files are in the zip
leaden hedge
right click on hollow knight in steam, properties, local files, open
drag the contents of the zip into there
leaden hedge
is all thats inside common/hollow knight/ the exe for the game?
or was there more there
leaden hedge
depends on the mod
you need to replace the Assembly-Csharp.dll
usually though, they make the zip layout just drag and drop
its not like every single mod comes with install instructions or anything though
lime willow
I feel like they should if it requires a lot to install
well unless the installation is obvious
leaden hedge
that was sarcasm
lime willow
well I just woke so I didn't process it
leaden hedge
A) every mod I know off has install instructions
B) most mods are just drag and drop the zip into the root folder
leaden hedge
this one does not
small nest
Modception
civic hatch
hazy sentinel
idk i can do map storage pretty reliably
just get used to the timing between inputs
young walrus
even if you fail an interaction storage, you can leave the room to fix it
solemn rivet
but if you fail interaction storage with the relic, you pick it up
you'd have to force quit the game in order to retry
hazy sentinel
just rest at bench after every success 
young walrus
you just turn around
if you pick it up but don't get it, turn around immediately to release the stored action
the only way to soft lock it is to fail it, but leave the shiny object on the ground
and then you can't interact anymore
solemn rivet
@lament wren if you want a place to practice, try the Journal just outside the Stag in greenpath
it's pretty close to the bench
and doesn't require any skills to pick up
rain cedar
That one you can just do the same thing as cornifer
buoyant wasp
so when new versions come out, do your changesets to the dll have to be applied manually, or does dnspy keep some sort of delta that you can use to auto change stuff (if the method/class hasn't changed)
rain cedar
Manually, I think
buoyant wasp
ew
solemn rivet
doesn't seem like mods shouldn't work
I tried playing with my modded savefile and it kept my stats
ie. 40 STR
rekt
just have to manually update the dll
deft bloom
anyone not able to open chests? its ages since i played but i dont remember a problem with it before. you just hit them right?
buoyant wasp
haven't heard of any issues, though odd place to ask ๐
deft bloom
oops, ment to be in general, my bad
solemn rivet
just to answer, yes I couldn't open the chest in weaver's den, but it seems to be a patch issue
deep pilot
I thought the charm was just a pickup, not in the chest?
Or are you talking about a separate problem?
solemn rivet
yes and no
there was a patch in which no chests would open
I tried opening the chest in the weaver's den and it didn't open
serene tundra
would anyone here be willing to rip the sprite sheet for troupe master grimm?
the cape opening one specifically
buoyant obsidian
Here's a link: https://github.com/Perfare/UnityStudio/releases
With that tool, you can open up the files yourself. They're listed as .assets files found in C:\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data
serene tundra
i gotta buy the game from gog again but ill do that :v
buoyant obsidian
Again?
serene tundra
the email associated with my gog account is very old i have no idea about any of the details for it because it was set to auto login on my old computer
whiccch its HDD ate shit and died
but its on sale so its not a bad time :v
serene tundra
i've mentioned it before without any details they can't really help it's no big deal i had around 3 or 4 games on there was all
fair rampart
HEY FELLAS, SUGGESTION MOD FOR HOLLOW KNIGHT WHERE YOU'RE A NIGROMANT MAGE BUG WHICH CAN CREATE DIFFERENTS CREATURES (USE CHARMS OF THAT KIND) AND DO SO NICE DMG, BTW YOUR HP IS TOO LOW IN THIS MOD, AND PLZ UPLOAD TO MODDB THAT MOD IF THAT HAPPENS, THANKS
rain cedar
Not a good enough name
Needs to include moddb in it
He really loves that place
The real mystery here is what "NIGROMANT" means
fair rampart
necromancer
rain cedar
Oh is that actually a word?
hazy sentinel
nigromant isn't an english word, no
buoyant obsidian
rain cedar
Damn
hazy sentinel
rain cedar
Trying to make fun of the kid and it turns out I'm just stupid
buoyant obsidian
Perhaps he's smarter than all of us
fair rampart
"suggestion" ๐
hazy sentinel
the more capital letters you put in a message the smarter you are
fair rampart
well have a good one
young walrus
Lol
solemn rivet
Hopefully nothing that the mod uses
Also, wasn't that just Graig making fun of the modders?
rain cedar
I don't know
This is me telling you my interpretation of KDT's interpretation of what Graig said
May not be accurate
solemn rivet
I was there... I interpreted it as him being playful / a troll
rain cedar
Alright
rain cedar
Yeah, guess I'll port the modding api now as well
Shouldn't be anything hard, just tedious
solemn rivet
I really liked the nk grimm fight tho
Wish he was static like zote and white defender
rain cedar
Well, after the modding api is ported I'll update the debug mod to be able to respawn him
So easy refights soon tm
rain cedar
Doesn't seem to be used by much
buoyant wasp
and we haven't banned him yet because...?
solemn rivet
yeah
rain cedar
Mainly because I don't have that power
solemn rivet
Doesn't seem to affect Attack() or doAttack()
buoyant wasp
yeah, though it's disabled
rain cedar
HeroController.TakeDamage is very different
rain cedar
No, not just that
They're passing in some stuff that was calculated in the function previously
solemn rivet
oh
rain nimbus
what mods are broken by the update?
rain cedar
All of them
rain nimbus
rip
rain cedar
It's unlikely that any code changes actually conflict with mods
They just need to be updated with a bit of copy/paste
young walrus
so all of them were updated besides the charm notch mod?
rain cedar
That's on the modding api
Although with how I coded it the new charm notch will do nothing
I should change that
young walrus
oh so you rolled it into the api
gotcha
should probably delete the notch mod dll then
rain cedar
No, I mean it uses the api not that it's part of it
rain cedar
Alright I changed it to be less awful
So now instead of recalculating notches every charm update it just adds 1 when it gives a salubra notch
Should work with the new 11th notch now
lament wren
the old version of the bonfire mod works fine?
buoyant wasp
does it use the setint function now?
so that it'll get picked up by playerdatadumper?
rain cedar
If you mean the charm notch thing then yes
{
if (pd == null) return;
pd.CountCharms();
int charms = pd.charmsOwned;
int notches = pd.charmSlots;
if (!pd.salubraNotch1 && charms >= 5)
{
pd.SetBool("salubraNotch1", true);
notches++;
}
if (!pd.salubraNotch2 && charms >= 10)
{
pd.SetBool("salubraNotch2", true);
notches++;
}
if (!pd.salubraNotch3 && charms >= 18)
{
pd.SetBool("salubraNotch3", true);
notches++;
}
if (!pd.salubraNotch4 && charms >= 25)
{
pd.SetBool("salubraNotch4", true);
notches++;
}
pd.SetInt("charmSlots", notches);
}```It just runs that on CharmUpdate
buoyant wasp
cool
rain cedar
Self damage is broken in the debug mod now because of the changes to HeroController.TakeDamage
Version specific mod code NotLikeThis
solemn rivet
is Hollow Knight Info updated?
small plover
so... what is the minimum cost for focus that you can get with the bonfire mod?
or is that still fixed?
spiral shore
is there a save editor somewhere? i want to fight grey prince but without fighting hornet again
leaden hedge
check the pins
leaden hedge
no
backup your save
I've not actually tested my editor on new patch but it should work
leaden hedge
%appdata%/../locallow/team cherry
spiral shore
thanks
solemn rivet
there were some bugs with the bonfire port I made yesterday, but I'll be uploading a working version soon
just fyi
wide pier
where is the modding api
leaden hedge
google drive
solemn rivet
KDT, do you perchance know what is the FSM for spells damage/cost?
wide pier
which fukin one
solemn rivet
I'm currently implementing your solution and would like to also add spells cost
solemn rivet
ok!
leaden hedge
heroController has a refernce
solemn rivet
@wide pier try changing it to "List"
wide pier
i already have it installed
i accidentally pressed "hide menu" how do i get it back fuk
leaden hedge
f1
solemn rivet
KDT, may I ask you a technical question?
leaden hedge
go for it
solemn rivet
fsm.SetState("Set Damage");
why do you have to add that at the end of the damage attribution?
{
foreach (PlayMakerFSM fsm in go.GetComponents<PlayMakerFSM>())
{
if (fsm != null)
{
for (int i = 0; i < fsm.FsmStates.Length; i++)
{
if (fsm.FsmStates[i].Name == "Set Damage")
{
Debug.Log("[SDT] " + go.name);
FieldInfo[] fields = typeof(ActionData).GetFields(BindingFlags.Instance | BindingFlags.Public | BindingFlags.NonPublic);
for (int j = 0; j < fields.Length; j++)
{
if (fields[j].Name == "byteData")
{
List<byte> list = (List<byte>)fields[j].GetValue(fsm.FsmStates[i].ActionData);
byte num = 0;
list[0] = num;
byte num2 = 0;
list[14] = num2;
fields[j].SetValue(fsm.FsmStates[i].ActionData, list);
fsm.FsmStates[i].LoadActions();
fsm.SetState("Set Damage");
}
}
}
}
}
}
}```okay, so the up component of dive still damages enemies
but I think I'll leave it as it is for now
leaden hedge
L / R are 80% of the damage anyway
solemn rivet
yup
apparently TGT changed a lot of small things
it took a lot of work to make Bonfire even work properly
saves broke, attacking broke
it's fixed now (updating gdrive), but I still think there might be things I'm missing
solemn rivet
I'm thinking of scaling spell damage at the same speed as nail damage
that is, using the same formula
leaden hedge
thats what wisdom was going to do
buoyant obsidian
Oh neat
buoyant obsidian
Yeah I could see how that'd be a problem
daring plume
Is there a way to get achievements with mods active?
buoyant wasp
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ - if you don't mind cheating?
leaden hedge
you get them by default
solemn rivet
Wisdom currently decreases MP cost of focus and increases soul gained per hit
Soul Gained Per Hit = 10 + 5*ln(Wisdom)
Focus Cost = 34* EXP(-0.01 *(Wisdom+1))
@daring plume mods do not interefere with achievements in any way
KDT and 753: I decided against increasing Soul cap because... It makes little sense to do so. If I instead decrease the cost of spells and increase soul gain it not only effectively "increases" max soul cap, but also allows for more flexible gameplay
i.e. if you want to make a spellcaster build, it would be awful to have an absurd amount of soul storage, but take 3 hits to be able to cast a single spell
what the mod currently does is make it so that you cast spells as often as possible
but for that I need to adjust spell cost
and for that I need to look into the Spell Control FSM
and for that I need time
which I do not have rn (I have classes to teach)
also
@buoyant obsidian how exactly did you change the passive MP gain from fps count to delta time?
leaden hedge
just put it in update
and do soulGain * time.deltaTime
time.deltaTime is the time in seconds since the last frame
solemn rivet
I want to change Int and Wisdom around a bit
make Wisdom "soul" focused and Int "spell" focused
leaden hedge
although you should probably do another soul gain variable
because time.deltaTime is a float
solemn rivet
btw @buoyant obsidian how's mana regen speed for LB? It seems like it's 1 mana per 1.11 seconds, so it sould fill up the soul sphere in around 99 seconds
how is it for gameplay? Is it too fast, too slow...?
buoyant obsidian
I'm not sure the exact timing, I set it up so that you wouldn't have to wait too long if you needed to spell smash through a floor
solemn rivet
hm... Okay
buoyant obsidian
but in general you won't use spells for combat unless you're using charms for it
solemn rivet
can I base bonfire's mana regen over time on LB's?
buoyant obsidian
If you want to go right ahead
it's all in the Update() method
if you're gonna change it keep in mind soulGain() also gives mana
also dreamnail is a thing
solemn rivet
yeah
thank you!
I'll work on it when I get home
about soulGain(), it's currently how Wisdom works
it basically takes whatever soulGain() would give as an output and scales it with Wisdom
buoyant obsidian
Makes sense
solemn rivet
but I hadn't thought about dreamnail
will have to figure out how that works
but that's for another time
buoyant wasp
@leaden hedge - I saw you posted the sprite sheet that has most of the new icons in it, but do you have the 3 new unbreakable versions of the charms?
leaden hedge
its automatically generated by unity
gray brook
When I try recompiling the decompiled GameManager in dnSpy I get bunch of errors about types not being found or not being in the namespace. The message hints are you missing an assembly reference?. I also get things like 'SceneManager' does not contain a definition for 'GetSceneByName' a bunch of times. Whats going on here?
leaden hedge
have you added all the references
leaden hedge
in dnspy
you need to drag all the dll in
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data\Managed
into dnspy, like where assembly-csharp is
gray brook
Ah, strange that dnspy doesnt do that on its own,m it shows some references automatically
thanks though, ill try
leaden hedge
yeah it has the "reference"
but it doesn't have the actuall dll
it should look like this
ignore my livesplit 
leaden hedge
yeah should compile now
gray brook
most of the messages are gone but now Im getting Ambiguity between 'SceneManager.activeSceneChanged' and 'SceneManager.activeSceneChanged'. Im guessing there is one dll which I shouldnt be added hmm
gray brook
ahh, do you know if that is already r eported? if not Ill do it
leaden hedge
its reported
gray brook
can I change one of them to get it to w ork?
leaden hedge
er
I'm pretty sure gamemanager has a on level load function
I'd just put your function call in there
GameManager.LevelActivated
gray brook
It is this bug, right? https://github.com/0xd4d/dnSpy/issues/231
Thanks for your help again btw
gray brook
I have no idea how hard that is but Ill see if I can fix that in dnspy
solemn rivet
what I usually do is
leaden hedge
you can just put a call into GameManager.LevelActivated
the "bug" is in UnityEngine.dll
solemn rivet
I edit the IL instructions and copy all there is
gray brook
if I put a call into there it will still need to recompile GameManager, no?
and have the same message
leaden hedge
you can do methods only
solemn rivet
then I edit the class normally and remove what's causing the ambiguity
gray brook
oh that is good to know
solemn rivet
and then re-add it via IL
leaden hedge
right click on method, edit method
solemn rivet
you can edit most of GameManager's methods
iirc, only onEnable/Disable and SetupGameRefs give ambiguities
if you want to edit those, you can do what KDT suggests
or simply cheat like me
gray brook
I couldnt quite follow your method, how do you edit IL instructions
still new to c# and this stuff
solemn rivet
right-click
leaden hedge
its called Method Body now
solemn rivet
"now"?
leaden hedge
or was
gray brook
yeah that confused me
leaden hedge
im not sure which
gray brook
for me its called edit method body
solemn rivet
yeah, if you click it on the methods list
gray brook
then I get this
solemn rivet
but I'm clicking on the preview window
well, that shouldn't get any ambiguities then
gray brook
there it is still called IL Instructions, yes
solemn rivet
you have to do that on the specific method you want to edit
not on the whole class
I've got to leave for now, but I can show you how to do it later
solemn rivet
^basically, yeah
not the whole method tho
you edit the method and remove the ambiguous line only
and then re-add that line via IL
it's almost always UnityEngine.SceneManagement that's ambiguous for me
gray brook
and you save the failing line as text somewhere, edit the class, paste it back
it seems to work, assuming it wont break when testing it ingame
solemn rivet
That's what I did for bonfire mod so far
leaden hedge
@rain cedar grimm doesn't seem to show up in debug mod enemy list
probably doesn't have a health manager
rain cedar
Both of them?
leaden hedge
and real bat, which is the thing you dream nail
does show up
oh, and ushebti wanted a button to either remove notches or toggle overcharm
rain cedar
Toggle overcharm might not work
Since TC did some fixes to overcharm staying when it shouldn't on this patch
leaden hedge
they changed it
its probably not constantly checking
just whenever notches/broken charms get changed
rain cedar
Might be checked on charm update
So that makes the todo list for debug mod:
Fix self damage
Add new charms
Add new bosses
Fix Grimm in enemy panel
Add overcharm option
elder briar
Hey guys stupid question how to add some geo
leaden hedge
or use cheat engine that works
rain cedar
If you don't know how to do any of the things they're all gonna be similar speed
wispy root
Could someone send me the original Assembly-CSharp file? I kinda forgot to back it up ><"
leaden fiber
I'm assuming mods aren't updated/working for the new grimm troupe version correct?
wispy root
Thanks
leaden fiber
Is there a list of the newly updated ones? Pinned link doesn't seem to show the updated ones
rain cedar
All API mods and bonfire mod
leaden fiber
Bonfire mod is giving me troubles, so I thought it wasn't updated yet
leaden fiber
Maybe I did something wrong one way or another, had a weird "cant attack" bug with it
young walrus
I know he mentioned he was having some issues. Since they changed so much internally
solemn rivet
I thought I fixed that
did you update @leaden fiber ?
this version SHOULD work - at least I played with it a lot
also, it has a beta implementation of Int stat
leaden fiber
Everything should be updated as far as I know, I'll give that a try
Still happening after loading, happens on old saves as well if that helps. quitting and loading the save again fixes it until there is another load screen
solemn rivet
"load screen" meaning a scene transition?
that's weird, because I'm playing in that same patch rn
can you send me the output_log.txt?
solemn rivet
same thing just happened to me
but I had to take a stag
moving between areas didn't seem to cause it
found the issue
sigh
for some reason
this.modData = ModData.instance is not working
so I have to reference the instance manually
leaden fiber
Oh. Wish I could help besides just reporting, I have little to no knowledge about creating mods for this game
leaden fiber
Yup, problem resolved. Doesn't seem to happen even after stags or leveling up anymore
solemn rivet
thank you for reporting it!
leaden fiber
Np 
solemn rivet
does anyone know if the new charms are treated in code?
okay, updated gdrive with newest patch
Patch notes: Intelligence stat! Affects spell damage and Focus cost!
Wisdom now affects Soul per hit and passive soul regen!
Future:
- Add all spells cost under Int;
- If Carefree Melody is treated in code, find a way to have Res behave the same way;
- Find a second effect for Str (maybe pet damage?)
- Make Fireball work with Int.
buoyant wasp
i think melody is a int (if i remember what kdt said)
look in #speedrunning earlier today
solemn rivet
oh
found it
this.carefreeShieldEquipped
yay
okay
added Iframes based on Res
testing period begins now
trim nimbus
hey guys, do you know how much HP Nightmare King Grimm has?
rain cedar
A lot
rain cedar
More than radiance for sure
trim nimbus
???????
rain cedar
Debug mod doesn't see him as an enemy
rain cedar
So I can't get a number from there
trim nimbus
radiance I mean
rain cedar
1700 is wrong
young walrus
kek. the wiki
rain cedar
Yes
young walrus
ya
trim nimbus
x
fucking
d
decided to do the nightmare king no charms no magic no damage
nail3
gonna be a fun ride
solemn rivet
rip
I can give you a code to run that -should- print his HP
unless he has no health_manager and health_manager_enemy
in that case, it won't work
rain cedar
I'm already looking for those to detect enemies in debug mod
trim nimbus
interesting
rain cedar
Devil's info program might be able to get his hp
solemn rivet
so, can I get an opinion on these numbers: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a95HWAF9lwtAWgNrBf6jA8Yk07V8VDI1MafpaEhD0nU/edit?usp=sharing
that's basically having Res emulate the new charm
buoyant wasp
resist against what?
solemn rivet
^
buoyant wasp
huh, interesting, i hadn't taken a super close look at the charm to see how it really functioned
wonder if there are any combos that increase that chance
hazy sentinel
@solemn rivet shows a free level even though I have no relics
hazy sentinel
pretty sure
also, not completely sure but I think res needs to be rebalanced
2 levels for 5 extra hp is a bit much
and by that i mean it gives too much HP, not that it costs too many levels :|
buoyant wasp
@rain cedar - do you know which of the gotCharm variables are associated with which of the 4 new charms?
rain cedar
All I know is it's 37-40
buoyant wasp
happen to know where in the assembly I'd look to find out? or is it just easier to load up a save and play with equip/unequip to figure it out?
rain cedar
Easiest way would be to equip all 4 then look at the order of them in the equippedCharms array in your save
buoyant wasp
k
37 = Sprintmaster
38 = Dreamshield
39 = Weaversong
40 = Grimmchild
for Grimmchild there is grimmChildLevel and grimmchildAwoken, though i'm not sure what that does yet
neither of those are set in the Assembly, guessing fsm or something (whatever FSM is)
rain cedar
FSM stands for finite state machine
buoyant wasp
hmmm, how would i go about figuring out which sprite goes with which level of the grimm child charm?
5 is the one you get by banishing
4 is the final one by killing
thinking it's squinty black eyes, open black eyes, open black eyes with red
buoyant obsidian
That sounds about right
hazy sentinel
@solemn rivet does INT increase vengeful spirit damage?
hazy sentinel
yep
buoyant wasp
cool, wasn't paying close enough attention when i was doing it last night ๐
is this the icon that showed in the charm menu as you collected the flames, or is this somewhere else?
hazy sentinel
pops up on bottom left corner when you get a flame
buoyant wasp
ah
hazy sentinel
buoyant obsidian
why are you so prepared for that Verulean?
buoyant wasp
also, wow that pastes so bad
hazy sentinel
i take screenshots ok
buoyant wasp
Does this paste better or is it still terrible....
ah, much better
those were the flames in the charm menu yeah?
hazy sentinel
ye
buoyant wasp
cool
solemn rivet
@hazy sentinel vengeful still does not work
hazy sentinel
so that's why the elder baldur took 12 fireballs ๐ค
icy star
I heard there was a randomizer mod. Anyone know what it does or where I can find it? Hoping it changes enemy placements maybe?
buoyant wasp
there is
look at the pins
it does not move enemies
It shuffles Skills, Spells, Charms, and many Items. (it does not shuffle notches, masks, vessels, nail arts) It does shuffle relics within their own pool (so a egg might show up where a seal is).
it has an easy mode and a hard mode, hard mode means that most (but not all) known skips are in play as possible requirements to progress
Grimm Troupe items are not yet shuffled, nor is KingSoul
(unless sean did that today)
rain cedar
Hard has a different algorithm for placing items that is more likely to place important items scarecly
In easy it's more likely for good items to show up very early
And nah no GT charms yet
buoyant wasp
there is logic in place to prevent soft locking in almost every place
except one...something about the abyss and the tram
rain cedar
Yeah
Don't go to shade cloak without either mantis claw or tram pass
And don't go to herrah without mantis claw in steel soul
icy star
Oh, so its the items. That's pretty interesting, actually.
buoyant wasp
and spells and skills
icy star
I can see that bringing a lot of life to a 2nd playthrough
buoyant wasp
if you're bored after just one playthrough.....
icy star
Well, just finished the game. With all the backtracking you already do, I feel it'd be hard to just leap back in. Still need to try the new content tho
buoyant wasp
routed well, there is very little in the way of backtracking ๐
can pretty much do it with visiting several areas twice and a few only once
but yes, the randomizer is fun
and can be punishing
lol, i love the new option in debug mod
"Kill self"
i wonder, along with "kill self" could you "summon shade" like jiji?
buoyant wasp
guess it really doesn't matter much, you can get it where you need it easily enough
@leaden hedge - When you can, upload this to the GDrive.
hazy sentinel
so far in TGT, bonfire mod seems to be just normal gameplay while waiting for a crit to murder enemies
hazy sentinel
just look at the readme in the zip file
also make sure it's actually a mod made for mac
buoyant wasp
^
light pecan
yeah but where do i put the file
also anyone have a link to a boss rush mod? or is that in development for the new update
rain cedar
The current boss rush is never going to be updated
light pecan
oh why not
rain cedar
The mod creator disappeared and sent out DMCA notices for all his mods
rain cedar
Yeah, you can get it via pm from someone who already has it
light pecan
ah ok thx
what about other mods, so after you download the thing where do you put it
rain cedar
I don't know for mac
solemn rivet
Geez @hazy sentinel 12 fireballs?
hazy sentinel
wasn't the one after vengeful, I was talking about the 2 in howling cliffs
light pecan
wait I added the bonfire mod to steam but then the app won't open
solemn rivet
did you add the 1.1.1.8 ver?
solemn rivet
can you show me your hollow_knight.app?
hazy sentinel
nah, i haven't seen that happen after the first time
solemn rivet
okay, good
also, thanks for the heads up about res balancing
I didn't bother checking the middle values, only the endpoints
yeah, the curve is a little steep
light pecan
I think i replaced too much file
I'm reaquiring all the files
what do I replace? last time i replaced the contents folder
solemn rivet
just drag and drop whatever is in the zip file where the hollow_knight.app is located
or simply paste the Assembly-CSharp.dll in \hollow_knight.app\Contents\Resources\Data\Managed\
since I don't have a mac to test this works, I had asked someone else to test it for me and they said it was working fine
re-adjusted the Mask per level curve
feels smoother now
solemn rivet
updated the link on gdrive
light pecan
ayyy it worked thanks
solemn rivet
have fun!
rain cedar
Alright, that means the stack trace for that stuff has changed
Guess that's motivation to find a better way than stack trace
buoyant wasp
is that why loading a game save takes so long? (bunch of try/catch?)
also, yup, he got hiveblood at soul catcher, soul catcher shows he has it, but can't be equipped, hiveblood doesn't show as there (but the new charm blue icon is where hiveblood should be)
rain cedar
Nah there's lag on loading saves because I'm rerunning the randomization
There's not really any try catch in the randomizer
Nothing I do should fail
It looks like they're getting better at organizing their states at least
Looks less like a spiderweb
Kinda
buoyant wasp
ah, was thinking you only got stack traces if you had an exception
leaden hedge
so I'm not sure why debug mod doesn't pick him up
buoyant wasp
never generated one without an exception before ๐
rain cedar
new StackTrace()
buoyant wasp
neat
rain cedar
Under System.Diagnostics
leaden hedge
but something happens with his health whenever he balloons or turns into a bat
buoyant wasp
yeah, just not something i generally need
cause all my normal work i have the debugger and source and all that jazz
different world you live in here
rain cedar
To be fair, I don't really have a good reason to be using the stack trace
It's just an easy way to accurately guess where something is being called from
And I'm lazy
KDT, what layer is Grimm on?
rain cedar
I'm not checking object tags at all
leaden hedge
he is probably on another
considering he is tagged
I guess you could check manually
rain cedar
Ugh I can't even compile the debug mod to check if changes to this fix Grimm
Because of the new HeroController.TakeDamage
I'm gonna have to check the game version and use reflection to call the function properly now
For it to work on both patches
What a pain in the ass
leaden hedge
rip
leaden hedge
public unsafe static float ToSingle(byte[] value, int startIndex)
{
int num = BitConverter.ToInt32(value, startIndex);
return *(float*)(&num);
}
I figured out why my float casts don't work
apparently just type casting a pointer is a good way to store floats
solemn rivet
@hazy sentinel I think I know why you had one free level
You probably beat a boss. That gives you a free level
lament wren
is there a bonfire mod for the new patch?
leaden hedge
there you go @lament wren
solemn rivet
[00:26] Gradow: updated the link on gdrive(edited)
13h ago
and haven't updated it ever since
I'm still fine-tuning the iframe mechanic, but from what I've tested it, it was working
hazy sentinel
pins
lament wren
wat
solemn rivet
lemme try it
working fine
donwloaded it, just to make sure the uploaded version works
did you download the right version?
1.2.1.0
also, spreadsheet updated to show iframes progression per level
here's how it works in game:
after you take a hit, the game starts a counter and assigns a probability of resisting the next hit based on that counter
1 - 10%
2 - 20%
3 - 30%
4 - 50%
5 - 70%
6 - 80%
7 - 90%
so the total probability that after taking 1 hit one of the next 7 hits will be resisted is around 98%
so now Res affects these numbers
but it's hard to show a solid percentage chance in-game, so what I've done is
the "IFrames" stat on the levelling up screen shows the chance of resisting the next hit after being hit once
and for more in-depth info, you can check the spreadsheet
for instance, from level 20 onwards, you're guaranteed to resist one in every 4 hits
and it scales very slowly
e.g.: to have over 95% chance of resisting one in every three hits, you have to level Res up to level 47
so I think it's kinda balanced
this is the version you want
if that doesn't work, then I'm not sure what to do
oh
you're on Windows, right?
dapper folio
@rain cedar did you just replace your debug and randomizer mods? what version of the game are they for?
leaden hedge
1.2.1.0
dapper folio
what happened to the 1.1.1.8 versions?
rain cedar
I haven't updated either
They're not version specific
I just remove the 1.1.1.8 from the names because it's not accurate
dapper folio
as in they'll work with any version of the game that the API does?
dapper folio
alright
small plover
the more i read about the Bonfire mod, the more i wanna play it
but my game tends to be iffy with mods
celest thicket
anyone have a working boss rush mod?
rain cedar
You just copy the files into your game install
solemn rivet
@celest thicket if you have any questions, fell free to ask
celest thicket
well, the mod isn't working
so i guess that's a question
I tried both putting it in the folder that contains the application itself and the hollow_knight_Data folder
neither appears to work
unless I'm missing something
rain cedar
I'm unsure how to handle grimmchild in the debug mod
Probably best to just have a thing to change its state manually, like the kingsoul
celest thicket
damn, this mod is really cool
rain cedar
Also: Should I not show the "Real bat" thing in the Grimm fights?
I'm not sure what the purpose of that thing even is
Hitting it doesn't hurt Grimm
leaden hedge
it should hurt grimm
rain cedar
It doesn't
rain cedar
His hp doesn't go down at all from hitting it
The bat's hp goes into negatives, though
Which is interesting
leaden hedge
yeah it does
it should start at 0
and go negative
then when it reappears it should add the bats health to grimms
rain cedar
What I'm seeing is the bat doesn't go lower than -10 and nothing happens with it or Grimm's hp after the bat goes away
leaden hedge
for nkg or troupe
rain cedar
NKG
leaden hedge
weird sounds like a bug
rain cedar
Also NKG always exists
By that I mean the entrance to the fight
Like you can just noclip over to him
rain cedar
Do you know what the bool for the Grimm charm notch is?
I'm not seeing one
If it doesn't have a unique bool associated with it it's probably possible to dupe
leaden hedge
er one sec
rain cedar
Not seeing anything when I search for "troupe", "grimm", or "notch"
Might just be killedGrimm
Is it possible to leave after the fight without taking the notch?
rain cedar
I see
leaden hedge
check the shiny items in the room
leaden hedge
yeah there isn't one for it
rain cedar
Pretty sick
leaden hedge
the PD Bool Name is empty on the shiny control
rain cedar
I see
Maybe they intended for it to be impossible to leave without grabbing it
And link the bools
Like with colosseum
But they forgot
I dunno
leaden hedge
can't you just s+q
rain cedar
You can s+q the colosseum before grabbing the notch but I don't think it would count as winning
Since you don't get the autosplit until you grab it
leaden hedge
doubt they'd design the game around a bug though
probably doesnt matter because you can re-enter
rain cedar
I don't think they're necessarily trying to design around the duping
Just every other notch in the game has a bool that gets checked
leaden hedge
unlike the trial, where the room gets reset
rain cedar
So its a little odd
leaden hedge
does fungal one have a bool?
rain cedar
Both do, yeah
Wait there's only one there
I was thinking of the fog canyon one too
But yeah, notchShroomOgres
leaden hedge
sounds like an oversight
rain cedar
It's one that I'm ok with
buoyant obsidian
Bats?
leaden hedge
it should deal damage, but be capped at -50
but yeah for some reason the damage isn't applied to grimm
buoyant obsidian
reported
buoyant obsidian
Will do
rain cedar
Even if it works as it should it's poorly designed
It seems like it would do more damage than usual, not the same but capped
rain cedar
I guess
Casual players are just gonna heal during it anyway, though
This only punishes speedrunners who don't know it's capped
leaden hedge
like mickely
its such an obtuse mechanic too
unless I looked at the fsm theres no way people would have noticed that for a long time
rain cedar
Yeah
What is the grimmchildAwoken bool?
Also:
grimmChildLevel
grimmchildAwoken
Capitalization consistency
Thanks, Team Cherry
leaden hedge
not sure
leaden hedge
nothing
celest thicket
how do iframes work in the bonfire mod
leaden hedge
weirdly
celest thicket
is it just percent of your dash that you're immune?
leaden hedge
no
leaden hedge
when you get hit you a timer increases, that gives you a chance of not taking damage from the next attack or something
rain cedar
Having trouble getting Grimm to respawn
leaden hedge
might be some conversation and grimmchild levels
leaden hedge
isn't that to fight NGK
rain cedar
I don't think so
leaden hedge
unless it starts at 1
rain cedar
Actually, maybe
I think you get 3 after fighting Grimm, now that I think about it
I'm also gonna have to add a button somewhere to summon the troupe back to dirtmouth
Alright yeah I was just being dumb, it's 2
NKG was still blocked off with it set to 3, though
So there's something else that opens that up
leaden hedge
this.defeatedNightmareGrimm = false;
this.grimmchildAwoken = false;
these 2?
rain cedar
Yeah, those should have both been false, though
It was probably still closed because I was setting killedGrimm false
Gonna try all this for getting nightmare grimm back
PlayerData.instance.killedNightmareGrimm = false;
PlayerData.instance.destroyedNightmareLantern = false;
PlayerData.instance.grimmChildLevel = 3;
PlayerData.instance.flamesCollected = 3;
PlayerData.instance.grimmchildAwoken = false;
PlayerData.instance.metGrimm = true;
PlayerData.instance.foughtGrimm = true;
PlayerData.instance.killedGrimm = true;```Yeah, that works
Nice, if you force the troupe back after it's gone it doesn't appear visually
Don't think I care enough to figure out what SceneData crap needs to change for it to look right
trim totem
Does it work
rain cedar
Yes you can enter it
trim totem
Nice
buoyant wasp
Yeah
i listed them last night if you want to find it
also listed the order of the icons
for the 5 levels of the charm
solemn rivet
Sean, did you manage to find out NKGrimm's HP?
rain cedar
Yeah it's surprisingly low
solemn rivet
only 80 hits with Nail+4
rain cedar
Is there an easy way to check the game version?
PlayerData.instance.version is not accurate
leaden hedge
thats whatever it was saved for
rain cedar
Yeah
hazy sentinel
hey gradow is there a hard cap on enemy HP scaling or does it just follow a logarithmic curve or something