#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 23

solemn rivet Oct 21, 2017, 3:21 PM

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@deep pilot yeah, I re-wrote the code for the geo calculations. Also, like I said earlier, since geo is divided between small, medium and large AND we have typecasting, the extra geo should be close (but not necessarily exactly) to the amount on the spreadsheet

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 4:35 PM

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@rain cedar - how would @leaden hedge get the relic randomization on his side since it isn't in rnd.js? or basically would it be that when you see a relic event occur, you need to look at playerdata.instance to get it?

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(in which case I can do that easily enough just by re-requesting the relic data)

rain cedar Oct 21, 2017, 4:36 PM

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Re-requesting relics makes sense

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Relics aren't pre-determined, even though they are the same every time

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So I can't really put them in the rnd.js

leaden hedge Oct 21, 2017, 4:36 PM

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I can just send those 4 vars

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on request

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 4:37 PM

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yeah, i was thinking about just adding those to the SocketServer

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it's easy enough to do

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i can take care of it, mostly just needed to know the "right" approach to getting the data 😃

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thanks hollowdab

young walrus Oct 21, 2017, 4:50 PM

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yo wyza, ready to try shit out? lol

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 4:53 PM

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sure, gimme like 2 minutes

solemn rivet Oct 21, 2017, 5:19 PM

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okay, so here's an idea for the bonfire mod

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make the relics behave like soft levels

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like

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Black Pearls in salt and sanctuary

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you can trade them for a free level

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instead of trading them with Lemm for geo

hazy sentinel Oct 21, 2017, 5:20 PM

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hmmm

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infinite relics 🤔

solemn rivet Oct 21, 2017, 5:21 PM

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but if you can duplicate them for geo, you'll get infinite levels either way

hazy sentinel Oct 21, 2017, 5:21 PM

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ye

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but i feel like all this does is allow people to save up relics until the geo cost is inhibitive and just save a bunch of money by just trading a hallownest seal for a level which would otherwise cost a couple thousand geo or something

solemn rivet Oct 21, 2017, 5:23 PM

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makes sense

leaden hedge Oct 21, 2017, 5:24 PM

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except you wouldn't make free levels increase geo cost hollowface

rain cedar Oct 21, 2017, 5:24 PM

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Yeah

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No reason to hoard them if it doesn't increase the price

solemn rivet Oct 21, 2017, 5:24 PM

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makes sense²

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which is very easy to do btw

solemn rivet Oct 21, 2017, 5:58 PM

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so... How do I keep track of relics?

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is it in PlayerData?

leaden hedge Oct 21, 2017, 5:59 PM

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yes

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think its trinket1 through 4

solemn rivet Oct 21, 2017, 6:00 PM

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oh

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I searched for relic, journal and whatever

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thanks!

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 6:09 PM

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trinket1-4 is correct

solemn rivet Oct 21, 2017, 6:09 PM

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yup

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just found it

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so, for now I'm simply gonna use it as it is

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but later I'm gonna have to figure out how to make lemm pay 0 geo for them

leaden hedge Oct 21, 2017, 6:12 PM

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find me the lemm fsm and ill look into it

solemn rivet Oct 21, 2017, 6:13 PM

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ok

solemn rivet Oct 21, 2017, 7:12 PM

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does this help?

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📎 unknown.png

leaden hedge Oct 21, 2017, 7:19 PM

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its probably item cost

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findt that game object

deep pilot Oct 21, 2017, 7:23 PM

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Isn't item cost string in one of the string assets?

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EN_Prices if I'm correct?

buoyant obsidian Oct 21, 2017, 7:35 PM

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yep, in resources.assets

leaden hedge Oct 21, 2017, 7:54 PM

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thats very weird if thats the case

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that'd imply every language could have different prices

buoyant wasp Oct 21, 2017, 8:46 PM

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@leaden hedge - updated PlayerDataDump.dll that handles the relics command. (the code on github is now updated on the master branch).

📎 PlayerDataDump.dll

solemn rivet Oct 22, 2017, 12:57 AM

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I don't think it's item cost

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there are two item costs, and both deal with color

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📎 UntaggedItem_costFSMzWYJWA.json

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📎 UntaggedItem_costcolor_faderFT1ZvQ.json

leaden hedge Oct 22, 2017, 1:10 AM

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check the Item Cost variable

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anything yellow is a literal, anything blue is a variable

solemn rivet Oct 22, 2017, 1:17 AM

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this is what I get using the viewer

📎 unknown.png

leaden hedge Oct 22, 2017, 1:19 AM

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nah whatever had activate confirm

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show thats tree

solemn rivet Oct 22, 2017, 1:33 AM

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📎 unknown.png

leaden hedge Oct 22, 2017, 1:33 AM

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wow nice every shop is generic

solemn rivet Oct 22, 2017, 1:34 AM

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📎 UntaggedItem_ListItem_List_Controle3Bk_g.json

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I had forgotten which FSM was this, so I had to look through them again

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xD

leaden hedge Oct 22, 2017, 1:35 AM

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does that appear on room load?

solemn rivet Oct 22, 2017, 1:35 AM

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yup, it got dumped when I entered the Lemm scene

leaden hedge Oct 22, 2017, 1:36 AM

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if so doing fsm.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Item Cost").Value = 0

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should do it

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although theres probably 4 of them

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one for each trinket

solemn rivet Oct 22, 2017, 1:37 AM

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there are equivalents of this FSM for Rlc 2, 3 and 4

📎 UntaggedShop_Item_Rlc_1Set_Amountz7oovw.json

leaden hedge Oct 22, 2017, 1:38 AM

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does that look the same

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oh wait

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the first one is for the actual list

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and is looking at the rlc fsms

solemn rivet Oct 22, 2017, 1:39 AM

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they all look like this

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📎 unknown.png

leaden hedge Oct 22, 2017, 1:44 AM

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try

    fsm.FsmVariables.GetFsmInt("Cost").Value = 0;
    fsm.SetState("Init");

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for the Rlc1 -> 4

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wait a second

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@solemn rivet check ShopItemStats in dnspy

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specifically specialType and cost

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you should be able to change that code to say

using System;
using UnityEngine;

// Token: 0x02000792 RID: 1938
public partial class ShopItemStats : MonoBehaviour
{
    // Token: 0x0600253E RID: 9534 RVA: 0x0001BD70 File Offset: 0x00019F70
    public int GetCost()
    {
        if( specialType >= 4 && specialType < 8)
            return 0;
        return this.cost;
    }
}

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and all relics should cost nothing

solemn rivet Oct 22, 2017, 1:51 AM

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Oh

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That's simpler

opal shuttle Oct 22, 2017, 6:01 AM

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The installation instructions of the randomizer mod tell me I need the modding dll but I can't seem to find it

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Can anyone help?

dapper folio Oct 22, 2017, 6:01 AM

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it's the Modding API in another folder

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Seanpr & Firzen - Modding API

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contains the assembly dll required for any mod that works off the API

opal shuttle Oct 22, 2017, 6:12 AM

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There are folders in the modding api zip and in the randomizer zip that already exist in the game files

dapper folio Oct 22, 2017, 6:13 AM

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yeah, because you have to overwrite the game files with the modded files

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the folder setup is to make it as easy as dropping into the install folder instead of having to go deeper

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drag and drop the modding api zip's data folder into the game's install folder so that it merges with the game's data folder

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then do the same with the randomizer zip's data folder

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replacing any files the computer says are already in there

opal shuttle Oct 22, 2017, 6:19 AM

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Okay it works, thanks

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What are the differences between hard and easy?

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 7:24 AM

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the number of difficult skips that will be required

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or rather, could be required

solemn rivet Oct 22, 2017, 10:34 AM

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With hard you basically need to be prepared to do some serious sequence breaking

opal shuttle Oct 22, 2017, 2:17 PM

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I got monarch wings as the first item

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I have ismas, crystal heart, dash and dream nail before even reachingcity of tears

summer tapir Oct 22, 2017, 2:25 PM

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that means you're in go mode 😃

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you can complete the game with these items

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oh wait

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you miss the claws

hazy sentinel Oct 22, 2017, 2:52 PM

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why

📎 ok.png

young walrus Oct 22, 2017, 2:52 PM

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Hey look, you found my charm

hazy sentinel Oct 22, 2017, 2:55 PM

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boy howdy

📎 ok.png

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the pickup is still there wtf

📎 what.png

young walrus Oct 22, 2017, 4:28 PM

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that happens with the spells so that they will still exist where they've been moved

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you can pick up the spells like this again, but it won't do anything except waste time

rain cedar Oct 22, 2017, 4:29 PM

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Spells probably don't show up in inventory either

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It's kinda sloppy how I'm doing it

young walrus Oct 22, 2017, 4:29 PM

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yeah they don't

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 5:45 PM

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oh, hmm, that's useful

leaden hedge Oct 22, 2017, 5:45 PM

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yeah its because fireballLevel never gets incremented its _fireballLevel

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 5:45 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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at least there you can see when stuff has changed inside the folders

leaden hedge Oct 22, 2017, 5:46 PM

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yeah but it shows everyones real name hollowface

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 5:46 PM

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yes, but that's there regardless

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not much for it with this system

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unless you setup a alternate google account

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i was just pointing out that the issue the main screen's "last modified" date being misleading can be partially solved by using the little "!" icon

dapper folio Oct 22, 2017, 6:01 PM

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you guys can change your shown name so that google only shows your first name (or username if you prefer)

summer tapir Oct 22, 2017, 6:59 PM

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@wyza how do I hide stuff in the new tracker?

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or make it smaller

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 7:01 PM

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depends on which you want, but most of it is "right-click -> settings"

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if you don't want an icon at all then you drag that icon into the red box labeled "disabled"

summer tapir Oct 22, 2017, 7:02 PM

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I did that but somehow its not working

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nvm

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now its hidden

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 7:03 PM

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yeah, in edit mode, it doesn't hide (since if it was, you couldn't find it to unhide it)

mortal kelp Oct 22, 2017, 7:28 PM

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Can I get a link for the randomizer?

leaden hedge Oct 22, 2017, 7:31 PM

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check pins

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its the google drive link

summer tapir Oct 22, 2017, 9:30 PM

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@buoyant wasp https://i.imgur.com/laTtRJV.png

Imgur

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thats not right?

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because the items where still there on my stream

young walrus Oct 22, 2017, 9:32 PM

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drag the items there

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individually

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not just the whole box

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 9:35 PM

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^

summer tapir Oct 22, 2017, 9:36 PM

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ohh

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 9:37 PM

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suppose i could add an option to disable an entire box

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that wouldn't be terribly difficult to do

modest ice Oct 22, 2017, 9:37 PM

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How do I install mods on mac?

leaden hedge Oct 22, 2017, 9:38 PM

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most of the mods are version specific

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if the mod has a mac version it should come with instructions

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but most don't

modest ice Oct 22, 2017, 9:39 PM

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Ok, thank you!

summer tapir Oct 22, 2017, 9:45 PM

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can you maybe add an option to reduce the spacing between items?

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 9:47 PM

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they are already only like 2px apart

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can't really make the spacing smaller

summer tapir Oct 22, 2017, 9:47 PM

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but if I reduce the size, the space gets bigger

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 9:47 PM

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mmm

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that shouldn't be

young walrus Oct 22, 2017, 9:47 PM

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you can just resize the browser capture in obs

summer tapir Oct 22, 2017, 9:47 PM

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maybe its just not well displayed when the charms are empty

young walrus Oct 22, 2017, 9:47 PM

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that'll keep the proportions

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 9:48 PM

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yes, cause the size of the dot for a missing charm is much smaller

summer tapir Oct 22, 2017, 9:48 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/y9JsYQn.png

Imgur

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 9:48 PM

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but the image for that dot is still the size of a charm

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hmm

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no, that's not right

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k

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i can fix that

young walrus Oct 22, 2017, 9:48 PM

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what'd you change the size of the charms to?

summer tapir Oct 22, 2017, 9:48 PM

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thanks cirLove

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 9:49 PM

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yeah, what scale?

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guessing that's 20?

summer tapir Oct 22, 2017, 9:49 PM

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15 right now

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 9:49 PM

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k

young walrus Oct 22, 2017, 9:49 PM

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wyza, was that bug with the items fixed?

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 10:11 PM

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should be

young walrus Oct 22, 2017, 10:12 PM

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need to redownload anything?

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 10:13 PM

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if you're still running it locally, yes, if you've switch to the normal URL (the github.io one), then no

young walrus Oct 22, 2017, 10:14 PM

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cool cool. i'm running the github one now

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since why not

solemn rivet Oct 22, 2017, 10:25 PM

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@modest ice I can make a mac version of bonfire if you'd like

modest ice Oct 22, 2017, 10:34 PM

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Thank you! Too generous of an offer. I would love to get that mod, however it seems as if the port would sap both time and resources. @solemn rivet

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I should also mention that I'll be purchasing a new computer soon, so the mod would be useless

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 10:57 PM

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@leaden hedge - is there an event we can hook into to send when charmSlots and charmSlotsFilled changes?

leaden hedge Oct 22, 2017, 10:58 PM

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the set / get int functions

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 10:58 PM

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hmm

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the only then i get sent when i equip a charm is the "equippedCharm_#"

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oh

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right

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it's filtered

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derp

leaden hedge Oct 22, 2017, 11:02 PM

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ye

solemn rivet Oct 22, 2017, 11:25 PM

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@modest ice wouldn't be that much of a hassle

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and it would also be good for any other mac users

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the only reason there isn't a port already is because I don't have a way to test it

hazy sentinel Oct 22, 2017, 11:26 PM

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that tag looks broken

rain cedar Oct 22, 2017, 11:26 PM

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Yeah he tagged the wrong guy

solemn rivet Oct 22, 2017, 11:31 PM

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fml

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thank you for pointing that out

buoyant wasp Oct 22, 2017, 11:37 PM

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@leaden hedge - Sends along the 2 notch events. Version # updated 22/10/17.b

📎 PlayerDataDump.dll

keen quarry Oct 22, 2017, 11:43 PM

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why did i get pinged

solemn rivet Oct 22, 2017, 11:43 PM

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my fault

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mistagged you

keen quarry Oct 22, 2017, 11:43 PM

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oh okay pff

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i was a bit confused

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carry on!

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 1:48 AM

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does charmUpdate() run every frame if you're sat on a bench?

leaden hedge Oct 23, 2017, 1:51 AM

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probably not

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 1:52 AM

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I think I've found another way, anyway

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I needed a code to run somewhat frequently and reliably, but not every frame

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so I put it in BeginScene()

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if that doesn't work, I'll just use CharmUpdate()

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ir works

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okay, so soft levels are go

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sadly it breaks old saves because of how levels are calculated

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well, it doesn't "break", it just resets your level counter while retaining your stats

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 2:16 AM

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here's the .dll if anyone wants to try it out

📎 Assembly-CSharpsteam.dll

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I'll make the drmfree version and upload both of them to the gdrive in about 9 hours (gotta sleep)

summer tapir Oct 23, 2017, 10:45 AM

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Is the notch-update now "officially" in the randomizer or a seperate mod?

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 10:46 AM

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Separate mod

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When I stop being lazy I'll make a readme and get it in the drive

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Until then, here it is

📎 CharmNotchMod.dll

summer tapir Oct 23, 2017, 10:47 AM

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Gonna download it when Im off from work 👍

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I think mickely did one or two runs yesterday. I think he liked it

plush notch Oct 23, 2017, 10:51 AM

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speaking of the randomizer

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sorry if it has been asked before, but why aren't rancid eggs, keys and pale ores considered for the randomized pool?

summer tapir Oct 23, 2017, 10:54 AM

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if it would be included into the charm pool, it would be very annoying to look for every possible spot to find the one item you need.
On the other hand, if it would be added to the artifact pool, it would kinda screw up the geo route and would maybe lead to geo grinding for the lamp etc

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 10:55 AM

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Mainly just because they're not unique pickups

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Can't really put them in without a list of where they all are and I'm not gonna be the one to make that list

plush notch Oct 23, 2017, 10:56 AM

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they're all listed on that interactive map someone made

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but yeah I guess

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on the other hand it would make for an interesting "impossible" setting for the randomizer

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 10:56 AM

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That map isn't good enough

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I would need a list of scene names

plush notch Oct 23, 2017, 11:00 AM

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Don't know what that is in this context

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 11:00 AM

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The internal names of the rooms

plush notch Oct 23, 2017, 11:00 AM

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Oh yeah, that would be annoying to find

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well I was just curious more than anything

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although yesterday when I did a randomizer run, I was kinda disappointed that some of the things weren't in the pool

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like white fragments or collector's map

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the insane sequence breaking I was able to do by obtaing the abilities early was very fun in its own right, though

summer tapir Oct 23, 2017, 11:02 AM

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do you mean pale ore or the kingsoul with white fragements?

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 11:02 AM

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I'm a bit burnt out because I've been working on it every day for close to a month

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But I'll add more items to it later this week, probably

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Just not immediately

plush notch Oct 23, 2017, 11:04 AM

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I mean like I said, I find the mod very fun already

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it was just weird that pale ore wasn't in the pool, for example

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doesn't seem that different to the things that already are

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 11:05 AM

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I think nail arts and kingsoul stuff are higher up on the todo list than ore

plush notch Oct 23, 2017, 11:05 AM

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makes sense

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I guess I mentioned rancid eggs because as of now, the pool doesn't really have any bad items in it

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and part of what makes randomizer runs fun is when you're struggling to reach a certain item, only to find something useless there

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 11:06 AM

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Like 3/4 of the charms are bad items

summer tapir Oct 23, 2017, 11:07 AM

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nods

plush notch Oct 23, 2017, 11:07 AM

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I mean

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sure

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but it still counts towards getting a charm notch from salubra, for example

summer tapir Oct 23, 2017, 11:07 AM

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also it kinda sucks if you look for money and grab a kings idol which turns out is a wanderes journal cirSmug

plush notch Oct 23, 2017, 11:08 AM

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true

summer tapir Oct 23, 2017, 11:08 AM

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hmm, when you try to "speedrun" it, you usually ignore those anyway

plush notch Oct 23, 2017, 11:09 AM

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shit I feel bad cause it seems like I came here only to complain

summer tapir Oct 23, 2017, 11:09 AM

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we had that discussion yesterday. Thats why there is right now a seperate mod to give you automatically charm notches, as more charms you pick up

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 11:50 AM

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@plush notch don't worry, we all came here only to complain

plush notch Oct 23, 2017, 1:50 PM

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hollowface

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 2:59 PM

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the notch mod is great, still vote that makes it into the randomizer vanilla

young walrus Oct 23, 2017, 3:00 PM

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o/

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agreed

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it was fun to have in the rando

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didn't feel too op

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made collecting "garbage" charms more rewarding

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 3:02 PM

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anyway, i'm gonna compile the relic/mask/notch/egg/ore (basically secondary items) list with scene names sometime after grimm troupe. My luck is that they'll move some of them or something and i don't want to redo the list

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 3:21 PM

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okay, finally, Bonfire Mod has been updated! This update includes the ability to level up using Relics instead of Geo (and makes them worth 0 geo when trading with Lemm)

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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9UzMxeHdva2hFT1U?usp=sharing

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if anyone's interested in a mac version, please DM me

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 3:31 PM

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@solemn rivet Taking a pretty big performance hit with that mod

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~100 fps instead of 300+

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 3:43 PM

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think i just figured out how to make it so that you won't need to copy the URL back and forth to configure the overlay and to make the overlay update in real time when moving stuff around in chrome. will have to investigate more tonight... hollowdab

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 3:44 PM

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that is weird... My pc is pretty bad (I usually get around 80 fps) and it doesn't impact me so badly

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I'll remove all "write to debug" things

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see if it helps with performance

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@rain cedar

📎 Assembly-CSharpsteam.dll

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 3:47 PM

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Doesn't seem much better

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Not a big deal because my monitor is 60 hz anyway

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The only reason I even noticed is I couldn't make the jump in king's pass after the first mosquito

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 3:48 PM

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maybe you have the dump fsm mod installed?

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 3:48 PM

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I don't

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 3:48 PM

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weird...

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but thanks for telling me!

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I'll see if I can find anything behaving weirdly

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 3:49 PM

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Just loaded up vanilla to be sure it's the mod causing it and I'm at 375 fps

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 3:51 PM

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hm...

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it shouldn't... The UI is only displayed while at bench/paused

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 3:52 PM

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I can take a look if you want

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Where are you changing things?

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 3:52 PM

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and the only thing running out of the UI is hp/geo dropped calculations in BeginScene()

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which should only run once per scene....

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@rain cedar GameManager.BeginScene() (enemies' hp/dropped geo), HeroController.CharmUpdate(), .Attack(), .doAttack() (nail damage, crit calculations, atk speed)

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LevellingSystem is the class responsible for, well, the levelling

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and ModData contains all variables in the mod

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aside from that, there's a small change in PlayerData.UpdateBlueHealth() to add blue masks, NailSlash.OnTriggerEnter2D() to show crit effect and SpriteFlash to add a sprite flash for crit

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 3:57 PM

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You're running Resources.FindObjectsOfTypeAll<Font> every time in LevellingSystem.OnGUI

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Just run it if the fonts are null

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 3:58 PM

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oh

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but should it tank fps even if GUI is not showing?

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 3:58 PM

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Yes, you have it outside of your if statement for showing the GUI

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So it always runs

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 3:58 PM

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ffs

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thanks

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        {
            foreach (Font font in Resources.FindObjectsOfTypeAll<Font>())
            {
                if (font != null && font.name == "TrajanPro-Bold")
                {
                    this.trajanBold = font;
                }
                if (font != null && font.name == "TrajanPro-Regular")
                {
                    this.trajanNormal = font;
                }
            }
        }```

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 4:01 PM

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Should make it a lot better, yeah

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 4:01 PM

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📎 Assembly-CSharpsteam.dll

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if that doesn't work, I'll just put it inside the if for the GUI

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should at least let the game run fine while not levelling up

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 4:03 PM

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It worked, I'm getting normal fps

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 4:03 PM

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thank you so much Seanpr!

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updated the links in the gdrive

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 4:58 PM

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found a bug

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0 hp enemies aren't dying in one hit

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prolly due to me messing up with HP

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will just add a clause to leave it as is if the enemy has 0 hp

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 4:59 PM

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how can an enemy have 0 hp?

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does 0 != dead?

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 4:59 PM

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those little flies that spawn when their mother is killed have 0 hp iirc

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 5:01 PM

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boggles

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 5:05 PM

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my mistake

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those have 5 hp

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now I know what the issue was

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they have 5 hp, so it becomes 5*1.4=7 hp with bonfiremod

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that's why they needed 2 hits to die

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 5:07 PM

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So the issue is it's working exactly as it should?

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 5:08 PM

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yes and no

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for some reason they don't behave like they took damage at all

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they probably don't have it coded, since they should always die in one hit, no matter what

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so I thought the game was bugged

buoyant obsidian Oct 23, 2017, 5:15 PM

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Yeah Lightbringer has the same issue I think

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they're not really coded to take small amounts of damage

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 5:15 PM

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I can just change their HP to 1, like every other "kill me pls" enemy

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I think I'll do that

fair rampart Oct 23, 2017, 5:44 PM

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PLZ UPLOAD MODS TO MODDB.COM !!!!!

deep pilot Oct 23, 2017, 5:45 PM

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Saying that in all caps isn't to make any difference.

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If they want to put it on moddb, they will

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If they don't, tough luck

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 5:45 PM

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we can't

deep pilot Oct 23, 2017, 5:45 PM

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Cause of licensing issues, right?

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 5:45 PM

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several mods are changing the dll for the game

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so putting it on moddb would be putting the game's dll up there

deep pilot Oct 23, 2017, 5:46 PM

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Yeah, I remember that convo from earlier

fair rampart Oct 23, 2017, 5:46 PM

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So how can I find the mods sorted properly here?

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 5:46 PM

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click on the pinned messages and go to the drive?

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like we've said

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it isn't like there is a ton of them

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it's like...12?

deep pilot Oct 23, 2017, 5:47 PM

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Several of them also only work on previous patches as well

buoyant obsidian Oct 23, 2017, 5:47 PM

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Some of the mods have even been DMCA'd and are only distributed secretly

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 5:47 PM

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^

fair rampart Oct 23, 2017, 5:47 PM

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DRIVE link?

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 5:47 PM

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it's pinned

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look at the top of discord

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there is a pushpin icon

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click it

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magic happens

deep pilot Oct 23, 2017, 5:48 PM

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There's really only one of those DMCA'ed mods which hasn't been reincorporated in the new Debug Mod for that matter

fair rampart Oct 23, 2017, 5:49 PM

#

Current Mods:
110% (kcghost)
Blackmoth (Gradow)
Bonfire (Gradow)
Cut Content (kcghost)
Debug Mod (Seanpr)
FSM (kcghost)
Glass Soul (753)
Lightbringer (753)
Modding API (Seanpr & Firzen)
Player Data Tracker (KDT)
Randomizer (Seanpr & Firzen)
Unending Dreams (MaxTCC)

deep pilot Oct 23, 2017, 5:50 PM

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Yes, and?

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 5:50 PM

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he learned copy and paste

fair rampart Oct 23, 2017, 5:50 PM

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Where's boss rush mode

deep pilot Oct 23, 2017, 5:50 PM

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That was one of the DMCA'd mods

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 5:50 PM

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yup

fair rampart Oct 23, 2017, 5:50 PM

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myluck

dapper folio Oct 23, 2017, 5:50 PM

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if you read the rest of the pin...

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Kein's mods are no longer on the drive folder. Most of his mods have been remade in Seanpr's Debug Mod, except for Boss Rush, which I will provide to anyone upon request in a direct message.

buoyant obsidian Oct 23, 2017, 5:51 PM

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You can still get it, but only through basic level reading comprehension

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 5:51 PM

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@dapper folio - but reading is hard

dapper folio Oct 23, 2017, 5:51 PM

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I bolded the key words for a reason

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 5:51 PM

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oh? i thought your keboard keys just got stuck randomly around whole word boundaries

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or you were trying to send a coded message

dapper folio Oct 23, 2017, 5:52 PM

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maybe

fair rampart Oct 23, 2017, 5:52 PM

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I'm not trusting someone who says he's providing a direct link, mods upload into moddb are checked by moderators and scanned for trojans

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Gotta link this discord to team cherry

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Bye

dapper folio Oct 23, 2017, 5:52 PM

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TC already knows

deep pilot Oct 23, 2017, 5:52 PM

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Did you not see that there are literally Team Cherry members as part of this discord?

buoyant obsidian Oct 23, 2017, 5:53 PM

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Mods uploaded to moddb aren't really scanned at all.

deep pilot Oct 23, 2017, 5:54 PM

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Some people just can't be reasoned with maggot

dapper folio Oct 23, 2017, 5:54 PM

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also, TC has stated that they prefer this over having everything on moddb

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 5:54 PM

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no loss there

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bye

dapper folio Oct 23, 2017, 5:54 PM

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also also, what's the difference between me uploading the mod directly through discord and providing the drive folder?

deep pilot Oct 23, 2017, 5:55 PM

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That person apparently thinks that moddb is the only way to get safe mods

young walrus Oct 23, 2017, 5:55 PM

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bahahaha

heavy geyser Oct 23, 2017, 5:55 PM

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Download count and bragging rights

deep pilot Oct 23, 2017, 5:55 PM

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So they won't take mods from either GD or Discord DM

buoyant obsidian Oct 23, 2017, 5:55 PM

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They probably downloaded "Minecraft server hack" from some direct link and it gave them a virus

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so now they're afraid

dapper folio Oct 23, 2017, 5:56 PM

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eh, whatever, I'm gonna go get some food

deep pilot Oct 23, 2017, 5:56 PM

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Doesn't mean they should be dumb about it

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 5:56 PM

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i mean, to a certain extent, a little bit of caution isn't bad

dapper folio Oct 23, 2017, 5:56 PM

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but it's all zip files, those can be scanned before being interacted with

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 5:56 PM

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yup

young walrus Oct 23, 2017, 5:56 PM

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UPLOAD TO MODDLKJAJGHWEIW: PLOX NOW OMG DO IT IM YELLING

trim totem Oct 23, 2017, 5:57 PM

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I kinda want them to send a message to tc, just to see what happens

deep pilot Oct 23, 2017, 5:57 PM

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Considering the devs have linked the Discord in at least one of their blog posts, you'd think they'd realize the Discord is relatively trustworthy

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But based on the fact they're going to personally message TC, they clearly didn't see that blog post

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 5:57 PM

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"some guy on this discord tried to give me exactly what i asked for"

young walrus Oct 23, 2017, 5:58 PM

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also also considering a bunch of us have downloaded and used those exact mod links with no issues.....

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 5:58 PM

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"it's a HACKING TRAP"

young walrus Oct 23, 2017, 5:58 PM

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lol wyza

buoyant obsidian Oct 23, 2017, 5:58 PM

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"SUE DISCORD SO THEY UPLOAD ON MODDB"

young walrus Oct 23, 2017, 5:58 PM

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lol

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 5:58 PM

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hehe, well, that was a fun diversion, but now back to work sadly

young walrus Oct 23, 2017, 5:58 PM

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IM TELLING ON YOU GUYS WITH THE DEVS

deep pilot Oct 23, 2017, 5:58 PM

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I mean, that same person complained days ago about how they refused to use Discord

young walrus Oct 23, 2017, 5:59 PM

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WHO HAVE SHOUTED OUT DIFFERENT MODS BEFORE

deep pilot Oct 23, 2017, 5:59 PM

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So I wasn't expecting them to come back, but lo and behold they did today

buoyant obsidian Oct 23, 2017, 6:00 PM

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Oh I remember him now

deep pilot Oct 23, 2017, 6:01 PM

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📎 unknown.png

dapper folio Oct 23, 2017, 6:01 PM

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oh yeah, that guy

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 6:02 PM

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noot

summer tapir Oct 23, 2017, 6:43 PM

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@buoyant wasp how do I get back to the edit-page for the tracker?

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if I copy the shortened link from OBS its just the "white" preview page

summer tapir Oct 23, 2017, 7:01 PM

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nvm

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got it

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hmm something doesnt seem right

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https://i.imgur.com/r1w2as9.png

Imgur

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bottom is how it supposed to look like

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or I have it setup on the page

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nvm, I see the mistake

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 7:46 PM

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how can I catch a variable change?

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say I want a certain method to be called when hornet1 is killed

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seems like I need to understand how hooks work...

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 7:50 PM

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Look for hornet1Defeated in SetBool

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 8:10 PM

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btw

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should I prefer SetBool/Int/whatever instead of manually setting the values?

leaden hedge Oct 23, 2017, 8:23 PM

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depends on if you want other people to be able to respond to it with their own hook

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if your not making a modding api mod, it literally doesn't matter

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 8:24 PM

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I've changed it all to use Set/Add/Increment/Decrement since I plan to make it compatible with the modding api

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back on track, how would I look for a bool in SetBool?

leaden hedge Oct 23, 2017, 8:27 PM

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just compare the parameter it sends in

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 8:27 PM

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I mean, yeah, but how would I know the game is even calling SetBool?

leaden hedge Oct 23, 2017, 8:28 PM

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are you using the modding api?

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 8:28 PM

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no...

leaden hedge Oct 23, 2017, 8:28 PM

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ok

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just edit SetBool

buoyant wasp Oct 23, 2017, 9:17 PM

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@summer tapir - The containers for icons are separate entities. They don't interact with each-other or are even aware of each-other when not in editing mode. (the ability to drag/drop/sort is where they get their knowledge of other containers, so in non-edit mode, that doesn't exist). If you found a good way to make it work the way you like, great, if not I can see if I can make it so that you can do it the way you are. I can see a reason to make a container wider without having the icons spill over (basically a thing to say "new row after X icons", like 9 for the charms.

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 9:40 PM

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    {
        FieldInfo field = base.GetType().GetField(boolName);
        if (field != null)
        {
            field.SetValue(PlayerData.instance, value);
            if (ModData.OnSetBool != null)
                ModData.OnSetBool();
        }
        else
        {
            Debug.Log("PlayerData: Could not find field named " + boolName + ", check variable name exists and FSM variable string is correct.");
        }
    }```
I keep getting ambiguity between ModData.OnSetBool and ModData.OnSetBool when trying to compile... Any ideas?

leaden hedge Oct 23, 2017, 9:44 PM

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what are you even trying to do

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just do ModData.OnSetBool(boolName) right at the start

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 9:44 PM

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It looks like you're trying to use events

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I don't see why that would be necessary here

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 9:45 PM

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I thought that I could attach a method to SetBool if I simply subscribed it to an event and made SetBool trigger that event

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 9:46 PM

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But why use an event?

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Are you ever gonna need this to hold multiple functions?

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 9:46 PM

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but I could simply run that event inside SetBool

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duh

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*method

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yeah, makes no sense

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sorry

summer tapir Oct 23, 2017, 9:53 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/JnFmlbi.jpg

Imgur

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dirty spot

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 10:01 PM

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also, Sean, do you know if there is an event related to when you pick up a relic and it showing the relic's name and icon on screen?

leaden hedge Oct 23, 2017, 10:02 PM

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you can look at setInt

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for trinket1 -> 4

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 10:03 PM

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I know, but I want to show on screen

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"got relic"

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just like the game shows when you pick up a relic

leaden hedge Oct 23, 2017, 10:03 PM

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it isn't an event

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its an fsm

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 10:04 PM

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why am I not surprised...

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okay then

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I'll look for it

summer tapir Oct 23, 2017, 10:21 PM

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the notch mod is 👌

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 10:59 PM

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well, turns out calling OnSetBool() in PlayerData.SetBool() breaks the game

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[20:04] Gradow: why am I not surprised...

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 11:01 PM

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Put a try catch block on it and log the error

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 11:09 PM

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okay, got it

leaden hedge Oct 23, 2017, 11:10 PM

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btw @rain cedar CharmIconList.GetSprite(int)

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is what changes the icon for pickups

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 11:11 PM

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Alright, cool

leaden hedge Oct 23, 2017, 11:11 PM

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although it won't work for none charms obviously

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 11:12 PM

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Wouldn't surprise me if relics were in there too

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Since it's the same pickup text/image placement

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 11:16 PM

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I believe this to be the relevant fsm for pickups

📎 data.json

leaden hedge Oct 23, 2017, 11:21 PM

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ah the charms create an object though

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where as this doesn't

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I think this prefab must have a few sprites on it

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if this never gets reset

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you could actually get alot of stuff to work nicely

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just by changing the transition targets

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 11:30 PM

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I tried using this to make the "got Wanderer's Journal" overlay to appear, but didn't work sadgrub

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because I want to reward player progression with a free level, but I also want the player to know they just got a level

leaden hedge Oct 23, 2017, 11:31 PM

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was it untagged object with shiny control FSM?

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 11:32 PM

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yup

leaden hedge Oct 23, 2017, 11:32 PM

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you probably need a pickup in the scene for it to work

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1 sec

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 11:32 PM

#

oh

leaden hedge Oct 23, 2017, 11:32 PM

#

or you can just copy it

#

although actually

#

you couldn't because you could pick them all up hollowface

solemn rivet Oct 23, 2017, 11:33 PM

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I wish it was as simple as broadcasting an fsm event

leaden hedge Oct 23, 2017, 11:35 PM

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@rain cedar when does SceneChanged get called?

rain cedar Oct 23, 2017, 11:36 PM

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At the end of LoadScene and LoadSceneAdditive

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I don't even use that hook for anything

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UnityEngine.SceneManagement.SceneManager.activeSceneChanged is more reliable

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 12:17 AM

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@rain cedar

📎 unknown.png

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this should work for everything except spells

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although stuff thats in a chest doesn't seem to work atm

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 12:19 AM

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Probably because it's not there on scene load

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 12:19 AM

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yeah

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the chest has to say hey

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im open

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then spawn it

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        public void sceneChanged(Scene from, Scene to)
        {
            PlayMakerFSM[] fsms = UnityEngine.GameObject.FindObjectsOfType<PlayMakerFSM>();
            foreach (PlayMakerFSM fsm in fsms)
            {
                ModHooks.ModLog(fsm.FsmName + " | " + fsm.name);
                if (fsm.FsmName == "Shiny Control")
                {
                    ModHooks.ModLog( "SHINY CONTROL: CHARM" );
                    ModHooks.ModLog( fsm.FsmVariables.GetFsmBool("CHARM").Value.ToString() );
                    fsm.FsmVariables.GetFsmBool("Charm").Value = false;
                    fsm.FsmVariables.GetFsmBool("Mantis Claw").Value = true;
                }
            }
        }

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vars of interest

charm,
charm id,
dash cloak,
mantis claw,
super dash,
pure seed,
Trinket Num,

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so I don't think it'll work for djump or shade cloak either

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 12:21 AM

#

Yeah, I'm looking at the fsm gradow posted

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Makes sense those aren't in there

#

They're not shiny items

#

Although neither is super dash so idk

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 12:22 AM

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quake 1 is there for some reason

#

dunno if that actually works though

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 12:23 AM

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Weird

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 12:23 AM

#

but I guess every shiny pickup working as intended

#

is better than none

#

and you can just keep spells and djump / shade cloak as is

#

I assume the child object, Inspect Region that it gets in Init, has a playmakerunity2dproxy

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so can probably hook into there to fix chests

#

also pretty sure this could have been used to fix ismas

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by changing PD Bool Name to whatever ismas would give

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 12:28 AM

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Maybe

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The way I did it is better, though

#

Gotta overcomplicate things

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 12:28 AM

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if it works it works

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 12:29 AM

#

I'm returning false for hasAcidArmour whenever you're in the isma's tear room

#

Manually switching the acid fsms to look for a special _true value if applicable

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And deleting the shiny item if you have what isma's is swapped to

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It's messy as fuck

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 1:05 AM

#

@rain cedar - something weird i've seen in the logs:

Sharing violation on path C:\Users\user\AppData\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight\ModLog.txt
   at System.IO.FileStream..ctor (System.String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, FileShare share, Int32 bufferSize, Boolean anonymous, FileOptions options) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
   at System.IO.FileStream..ctor (System.String path, FileMode mode, FileAccess access, FileShare share) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
   at System.IO.StreamWriter..ctor (System.String path, Boolean append, System.Text.Encoding encoding, Int32 bufferSize) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
   at System.IO.StreamWriter..ctor (System.String path, Boolean append) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
   at Modding.ModHooks.ModLog (System.String info) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 
at blahblahblah

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 1:06 AM

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Guess there's multiple mods trying to log at the same time

#

Shouldn't be hard to fix

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 1:07 AM

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Probably because this is happening on application close. I'm doing a log on close of 2 distinct items.

modest ice Oct 24, 2017, 2:43 AM

#

@solemn rivet If you do create it send me a download link and I'll beta test.

#

The bonfire port that is

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 5:25 AM

#

If anyone wants to play with a new feature for the overlay, I came up with a solution wherein you can change stuff in chrome and have it instantly reflected in OBS without having to re-copy the URL. Here's the beta URL: https://rawgit.com/iamwyza/HollowKnightRandomizerTracker/dev/Index.html (you can take your existing ?editing=true&config=blahblah) and it'll load it up. You'll need an updated PlayerDataDump.dll (see below). One other difference is that HK needs to be running when you edit your layout now. (because the way I'm doing cross browser communication and profile storage is via PlayerDataDump, which only runs when HK is running). The updated tracker also now has a notion of "profiles". Each profile's settings are stored independently in your %APPDATA%\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight\ folder (next to your saves).

#

📎 PlayerDataDump.dll

elder briar Oct 24, 2017, 4:03 PM

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Hey

#

Doesn anyone know to can i get infinite health

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Just for one boss fight

#

No actually sorry

#

Doesnt anyone know how to put benches

#

Next to boss fights

#

Since obviously retarded devs couldnt figure out how

hazy sentinel Oct 24, 2017, 4:04 PM

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try gitting gud

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 4:06 PM

#

lol

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 4:07 PM

#

None of the bosses are even that far from benches

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 4:07 PM

#

there is a debug mod, that lets you do a variety of things, like placing dreamgates almost anywhere, infinite health, respawning bosses, etc

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 4:07 PM

#

Soul Master is probably the worst but he's easy

buoyant obsidian Oct 24, 2017, 4:13 PM

#

not enough people know about the secret wall to Soul Master

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 4:15 PM

#

you mean the one below the elegant key door?

deep pilot Oct 24, 2017, 4:24 PM

#

I'd argue that Traitor Lord (if you consider them to be a boss) is the worst in terms of placement relative to a bench

#

Cause to get to Soul Master once you open all the shortcuts, you only have to deal with 1 teleporting guy if you know about the secret wall and 2 if you don't

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 4:25 PM

#

Soul Master was really long for me, even after (I think) I got all the shortcuts.

#

I died several times along the way.

deep pilot Oct 24, 2017, 4:25 PM

#

There's only 1 teleporting guy along the entire path though

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 4:26 PM

#

I had two. Don't know what you mean with the secret wall.

deep pilot Oct 24, 2017, 4:26 PM

#

Left side of elevator shaft leading up to the Elegant Key door has a breakable wall

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 4:26 PM

#

Wait, three guys actually. Two at the same time.

deep pilot Oct 24, 2017, 4:26 PM

#

Leads straight to the bench

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 4:26 PM

#

Hmm, I guess I never found that? I don't remember now.

deep pilot Oct 24, 2017, 4:27 PM

#

And if you go past the Soul Warrior mini-boss room, you don't spawn one of the teleporting guys

#

So there's literally only the one teleporting guy that spawns when you head up after the Soul Warrior mini-boss room

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 4:28 PM

#

Okay. Might check it out when I try to finish the game. I can't remember if I beat Soul Tyrant yet.

deep pilot Oct 24, 2017, 4:29 PM

#

Traitor Lord is much more annoying cause of that platforming room that you're forced to go through from the closest bench (Queen's Garden stag station)

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 4:29 PM

#

I got Traitor Lord on my first try, so I didn't notice that. 😛

deep pilot Oct 24, 2017, 4:29 PM

#

With Soul Sanctum, you can just move quickly and avoid all the enemies

#

Teleporting guy won't even get a single shot off if you go fast

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 4:30 PM

#

Yeah but I wasn't as experienced in the game when I tried it the first time. Hopefully my second playthrough will be smoother.

#

So I kept running into the enemies/their projectiles.

deep pilot Oct 24, 2017, 4:30 PM

#

Sure, Traitor Lord is the easier of the two in terms of the boss fight itself, but the walk-back if you do die to it is more annoying than the walk-back to Soul Master imo

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 4:32 PM

#

Yeah but you also get there much later in the game, so you're more familiar with the platforming hopefully. I think that's why it doesn't stick in my mind.

deep pilot Oct 24, 2017, 4:35 PM

#

Except the level of platforming you have to deal with in Queen's Gardens is of greater difficulty than most other areas in the game, and that room in particular loves to lose me 1-2 health before getting to Traitor Lord

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 4:36 PM

#

I'm not going to argue that, I'm just saying that earlier on you're less experienced, so objectively simpler challenges can become subjectively harder as a result.

deep pilot Oct 24, 2017, 4:37 PM

#

This is the platforming room which I'm talking about:

📎 unknown.png

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 4:38 PM

#

If memory serves, the last bit was the hardest for me, but even that wasn't too bad.

deep pilot Oct 24, 2017, 4:38 PM

#

This is way more likely to cost me health than traversing the whole of Soul Sanctum after the shortcuts are opened

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 4:40 PM

#

It's different for everyone I guess.

deep pilot Oct 24, 2017, 4:41 PM

#

My path through Soul Sanctum:

📎 unknown.png

#

Only place a teleporting guy spawns is the white triangle

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 4:43 PM

#

Ah, I was misssing that first secret passage. But then I thought there was also one in the big area before the triangle too.

#

I had to fight two at once.

#

Or deal with one first and move on.

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 4:44 PM

#

there is if you go right

#

don't go right

#

go up the elevator on the left

timid tiger Oct 24, 2017, 4:44 PM

#

damn dude I'm sure there's at least 5 on the way in

#

tho you can kinda skip some

deep pilot Oct 24, 2017, 4:44 PM

#

There's a bunch you have to deal with in order to open the shortcuts

timid tiger Oct 24, 2017, 4:44 PM

#

yea

deep pilot Oct 24, 2017, 4:44 PM

#

But once you open the shortcuts up, you only have to deal with 1

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 4:44 PM

#

Oh, I think I always took the right side since it seemed quicker.

#

I never tried to check on the left.

#

Welp.

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 4:45 PM

#

there's that "shortcut" you can open on the bottom right

#

but it's slower cuz of all the enemies

deep pilot Oct 24, 2017, 4:46 PM

#

^ this is something I figured out after trying it a couple of times

#

It's much easier to just walk past the Soul Warrior mini-boss room cause there's way fewer enemies

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 4:47 PM

#

also #speedrunning ? or #hk-help? dunno if this really is a mod problem anymore? 😃

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 4:48 PM

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so wyza. when i copy the url from OBS to a browser source to edit it, do i just need to add "editing=true" to make it not the white preview screen?

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 4:48 PM

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yup

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 4:48 PM

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kk

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 4:49 PM

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it's white otherwise because the background is transparent and chrome's bottom level is white

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 4:49 PM

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makes sense

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so if i take the URL i have now and pop it in, that'll contain all the updates you've made?

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or does that not include the beta version you have now

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 4:50 PM

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the beta version has a different base URL (everything up to the Indext.html?), everything after it should be the same

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it'll prompt you saying "hey you're importing a config, which profile should this be saved as" pick profile 1, and it'll load it in. Going forward, you won't need to copy the url back and forth anymore

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you'll just have blahblah/Index.html?profile=1

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and any changes you make in chrome under profile 1, will be automatically pushed into the obs overlay

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 4:51 PM

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that'll be nice

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once this comes out of beta, will the url change?

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i want to play with it a bit tonight

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 4:52 PM

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it'll be the same url as the current Live version

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 4:52 PM

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kk

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i'll just set up a temporary 2nd source then

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 4:52 PM

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yup

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that's what i do, i have the "live" source and the "dev/beta" source and just hide/show depending on what i'm doing

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 4:54 PM

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What are you streaming? Modding?

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 4:57 PM

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@tawny lynx - not streaming modding. There is a UI overlay KDT and I wrote that is for OBS so that viewers can see what charms/spells/skills/items you have without it cluttering up your gameplay. It's primarily used for Randomizer runs since it's hard to keep up with what a player has and hasn't found (especially in a race)

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 4:57 PM

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Oh nice.

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 4:58 PM

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in this case we're talking about 2.1 Beta of it that makes some improvements to how configuration is stored 😃

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 4:58 PM

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It's a really cool idea.

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I'd still like to mod this, but I've come to terms with the fact that I probably won't because I get too busy with other things, and people here are already doing really neat things anyway.

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 4:59 PM

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hehe, i tried to resist the temptation to do any coding here. I couldn't though.

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 5:00 PM

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How does modding work now? Is it still using dnSpy to edit individual methods and classes piece-by-piece, or do you use a decompiled project?

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 5:00 PM

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There is an api you can use to mod now

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 5:01 PM

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Provided by the developers or as a mod?

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 5:01 PM

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Mod

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 5:02 PM

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That's good. I remember there being talk about such a mod a few months ago.

subtle heart Oct 24, 2017, 5:47 PM

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Does the Boss Rush Mod exist yet?

dapper folio Oct 24, 2017, 5:47 PM

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Kein's version does

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check the pins

subtle heart Oct 24, 2017, 5:49 PM

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It says I have to ask for it

dapper folio Oct 24, 2017, 5:49 PM

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yes, send me a direct message and I'll provide the mod's zip

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Not allowed to host it in the drive folder anymore, but I still provide the mod upon direct request

solemn rivet Oct 24, 2017, 6:01 PM

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btw, @leaden hedge , I forget, but did you ever tell me how you managed to make all spells(- fireball) do no damage?

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I can implement a semi-functional Int stat at least

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 6:58 PM

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if i'm really irresponsible with simple keys, can i hard lock a randomizer save? sly's key on jiji, and city storeroom's key on city hotspring. is it possible to reach all of those locations, and yet the key in ancient basin is inaccessible until i access royal waterways?

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does royal waterways have any alternate entrances?

solemn rivet Oct 24, 2017, 7:00 PM

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there is a way to enter waterways from the drop to the ancient basin

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:01 PM

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looks like you can get in through the tram to kingdom's edge too, but then you'd have access to ancient basin.

solemn rivet Oct 24, 2017, 7:02 PM

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do you not have access to basin?

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:02 PM

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this is a theoretical situation.

solemn rivet Oct 24, 2017, 7:03 PM

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yeah

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I can't find the video

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but I'm pretty sure it's possible to enter waterways in the descente from COT to basin

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:03 PM

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NMG, i assume.

solemn rivet Oct 24, 2017, 7:04 PM

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I think so

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:04 PM

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is it that trick where you pogo on spikes and fireball to cancel momentum, then dash, or something?

solemn rivet Oct 24, 2017, 7:04 PM

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I don't think it's as complicated as getting womb tho

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7oYgwT0M0Y

YouTube

Allan N

Waterways Shortcut, dashmaster

It's pretty tight and very annoying with downdash.

▶ Play video

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:10 PM

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nice. so that requires cloak and dashmaster, right?

solemn rivet Oct 24, 2017, 7:11 PM

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I don't think cloak is needed

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since you need 2 dashes anyway

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I don't get how to stop the nail's knockback tho

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:12 PM

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huh? you don't need mothwing cloak?

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:12 PM

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You just cancel the pogo momentum with dash

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You can get in there with dashmaster, fireball, or wraiths

solemn rivet Oct 24, 2017, 7:13 PM

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but why does that not work for glowing womb then?

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:13 PM

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It does

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That's how you get through that spike tunnel too

solemn rivet Oct 24, 2017, 7:13 PM

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oh

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I thought you needed fireball

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to cancel the pogo

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:13 PM

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The fireball is to stall midair

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So dash refreshes

solemn rivet Oct 24, 2017, 7:14 PM

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gotcha

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:14 PM

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And yeah you probably could get stuck in randomizer if you're dumb with keys

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Same as if you skip fury

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If fury is mantis claw and you skip it there's no way back up there

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Ever

solemn rivet Oct 24, 2017, 7:15 PM

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never skip fury

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:15 PM

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Basically, yeah

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:16 PM

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i mean, never save in ancient basin unless you can get out hollowlenny

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:16 PM

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That bench is gone if you don't have wall jump

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The only way to save down there without it is getting shade cloak

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:17 PM

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or city of tears at quirrel bench.

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:17 PM

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That's fixed, too

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I added platforms to get out

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:17 PM

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yeah, i saw the code. i'm trying to imagine eliminating all hard locks, even ones where you're dumb.

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it's hard.

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:18 PM

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Yeah

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I guess I could disable the doors to jiji and the banker

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:20 PM

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the CoT hotspring leads to the shaft between resting grounds, kingdom's edge, and king's station. that can't be significant for routing in randomizer, can it?

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:21 PM

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Nah, that place is useless

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:25 PM

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disable jiji and CoT hotspring until the waterways is opened doesn't seem like a bad idea. but also, meh; doesn't seem terribly urgent.

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sean, are you deliberately waiting for grimm troupe before working on randomizer anymore? and are you planning to update to the latest version or continue on 1.1.1.8?

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:26 PM

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I wasn't waiting for that specifically, but it's not a bad idea

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Just a bit burnt out on it

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And I'll definitely update the api to grimm troupe

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:27 PM

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is there something specific that's burning you out? like could i help by developing a tool that did something? maybe an fsm visualizer or something?

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:28 PM

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KDT already made an fsm visualizer

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And I'm just burnt out because I spent 3-4 hours daily on this for almost a month

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But if you want to improve something, you could work on adding nail arts or something like that

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:30 PM

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next on my list is to get familiar with the debug mod. basic stuff like "what room am i in?".

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:30 PM

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Well, that's easy

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GameManager.instance.GetSceneNameString()

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:31 PM

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i also need a better understanding of get/set player int/bool. like is the word "player" a red herring, and that's also where breakable wall state is stored, or is breakable wall state somewhere else?

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:32 PM

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The hooks in the api are for bools/ints in the PlayerData class

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Something like a breakable wall would be stored in SceneData

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:33 PM

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does the API have hooks for SceneData?

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:33 PM

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No, not yet

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:35 PM

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any other FooData classes that you're aware of?

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:37 PM

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Just the two

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SceneData is different in that it can store an indefinite amount of things

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PlayerData has a set amount of named variables

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:37 PM

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is there documentation for all the fields in PlayerData? (yet?)

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:38 PM

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No, but you can just look at it in dnspy to see the fields

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Although I suppose it's not always obvious what they do

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:40 PM

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i'm thinking something like http://anodyne.wikia.com/wiki/Save_File

Anodyne Wiki

Save File

There are also a number of copies of your save file that have no effect scattered about your file system. They are created as "backups", but aren't ever read by the game, so they can be safely...

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:41 PM

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These are the most useless variable names I have ever seen

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This game at least tries to have descriptive names

solemn rivet Oct 24, 2017, 7:42 PM

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yeesh

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if those were the var names, I'd be screwed

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:42 PM

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right, so maybe not as necessary for this game. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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i'm still a little confused on what the randomizer is doing with quake/quake1/quake2, and the like. i'm not sure what's normal behavior, and what the randomizer is doing differently. some kind of explanation of the normal behavior might help there.

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:44 PM

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Spells are stored as an int from 0-2

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With 0 being no spell, and 2 being the most upgraded one

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:44 PM

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is that vanilla or randomizer or both?

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:44 PM

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Picking up the upgraded spell unconditionally sets it to 2

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That's how it works in vanilla

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In randomizer I'm storing two separate variables that get added together for the total spell level

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That way picking up the "upgraded" one will just give you the normal spell if you didn't already have it

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Instead of just giving you both levels like in vanilla

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:46 PM

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but with dream nail, awakened dream nail, dream gate, that strategy doesn't fit as well.

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:47 PM

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If you pick up awoken nail or gate first, it just gives you nail instead and swaps the pickup locations

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:47 PM

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so why not do that with the spells too? simpler to do the adding thing instead?

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 7:47 PM

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because dreamnail is 3 bools

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spells are one int

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:48 PM

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oh. this effectively turns spells into 2 bools instead of 1 int. that actually makes everything more consistent. cool.

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:49 PM

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Yeah, basically

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:50 PM

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so in vanilla, if you pick up shade soul first, you fire shade soul bullets. then if you get vengeful spirit second, you'll be downgraded permanently?

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 7:51 PM

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its impossible to do in vanilla

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:51 PM

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It is possible to get shade soul first

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Just not nmg

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And nah, vengeful spirit can't be picked up second

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The game just assumes you have it

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 7:52 PM

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yeah that drop is tied to fireballLevel >= 1

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it locks you out of soul catcher too

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 7:52 PM

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ok cool.

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and i assume the ancestral mound gate being open/closed is in SceneData, not player data.

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 7:56 PM

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Probably

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 8:11 PM

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if you actually want to mess with the fsm visualizer @broken fable
https://github.com/KayDeeTee/HK-FSM-VIEWER
theres a few things that would be nice,

the svg should resize to the size of the loaded fsm so you can't scroll off the screen
the hovered state data should be movable so it can't obstruct your view,
lots of variable types don't work like floats or gameobjects,
be able to drag a json dump onto the page to load it, rather than renaming a file to data.json and ading var = fsm to the start

If you really want to, the ability to create fsms in the browser and dump the state to some csharp code that'll create it

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 8:13 PM

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@leaden hedge thanks. i'll take a look

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this visualizer looks pretty cool so far. i'm learning more by the second. hollowknice

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oh my god. the fsm states have their x y coordinates stored in them for displaying in a visual editor maggot . That simplifies the displaying code quite a bit then, doesn't it. I thought this visualizer would need to do some kind of graph embedding algorithm.

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 8:26 PM

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nope its literally just a dump of the data the fsm creation tools use I'd assume

solemn rivet Oct 24, 2017, 8:26 PM

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wut

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why would they have coordinates?

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 8:26 PM

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because its literally just a dump of the data, the tools to create it use

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and thats a visual editor

solemn rivet Oct 24, 2017, 8:26 PM

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makes sense

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 8:26 PM

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that has the position of each state on it

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 8:27 PM

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the lines don't have coordinates, so you're just drawing them behind the states connecting the centers.

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 8:28 PM

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yeah preferably I'd do edge to edge

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and give them an arrow

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 8:28 PM

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You could at least draw an arrow in the middle of the line

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 8:28 PM

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yeah, and arrow would be good. especially since there could theoretically be two-way transitions, which currently isn't shown.

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 8:28 PM

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Should usually be visible

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 8:28 PM

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yeah theres plenty of 2 way transitions

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 8:29 PM

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line could be a gradient color from start to finish.

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what's this Odd Key i see? Variable name hasMenderKey. Is that related to the Menderbug?

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i'm guessing some of this is unused. like waterways key.

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(just scrolled up to the most recent data.json i could find here to view something.)

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 8:31 PM

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That's just if you've killed menderbug

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Since that opens up his house

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 8:32 PM

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it's a case of handling a shiny object pickup in the fsm. i'm guessing it's unused.

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 8:32 PM

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Yeah, probably

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 9:02 PM

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has there been any discussion of how to include mask shards, soul vessel shards, and charm notches in the rando? one issue is that some vendors (sly, salubra) sell them in an order assuming they are all interchangeable.

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:03 PM

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we have a new way to handle notches that several of us have been playing with

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at least for the salubra ones

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where you automatically get the notch from salubra when you reach the required charm count

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 9:04 PM

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is this the "notch mod" i've been hearing about?

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:04 PM

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it's not in the randomizer yet, though i think several folks are hoping it will be (myself included)

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yup

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 9:04 PM

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so that eliminates paying salubra and going to salubra?

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:04 PM

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well, paying and returning to her

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for those

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it's just "you got your 5th charm, here's your notch"

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 9:06 PM

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that doesn't sound appropriate for rando, tbh. that's like a convenience thing, not related to randomization.

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what about a mod that gives you immediate cash when you pick up a relic.

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:06 PM

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the problem is, notches health and soul is completely useless

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:06 PM

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^

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no one ever is going to go buy them

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:06 PM

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and 100% dead slots

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and theres a shit tonne of them

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:07 PM

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making you have notches gives you flexibility when the randomizer gives you weird charm combinations

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 9:07 PM

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@leaden hedge, i'm not so much concerned about getting health when you don't need it or want it. i'm interested in the player going to get the health pickups to see if it might be something good. i'm interested in the locations, not the items.

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:08 PM

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otherwise, everyone is always going to have 4, or at most 5, notches

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so 90% of the time, you'll never use more than 2 charms, 3 maybe

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:08 PM

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the problem is adding another 26 items to the pool

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most of which just cost money

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whats the point

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 9:09 PM

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@leaden hedge, yeah bloating the shops seems bad. maybe sly's mask shards and soul vessel fragments and salubra's notches should be left out. but what about the rest of the locations?

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 9:09 PM

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adding more locations from mask and vessel shards wouldn't at this point add much value

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plus the runs can be long anyways at 2-2.5 hours

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it's in a really good place now with the number of items you're required to check

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plus the next thing is to add in Kingsoul to the pool, which would require you to go check the queen's spot, adding more value to QG and an additional boss

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:11 PM

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hey

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this isnt really related to hollow knight but to coding in general

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can i ask here?

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:12 PM

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what charm did we decide we would lock in WP again? not the compass now that there is a plan to make it useful. i suppose we could put...hmmm, oh what if the mask shard in mawlek was moved to WP and mawlek got added to the pool. it's not a pad place

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 9:12 PM

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i think we just decided to make it a dead place

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:12 PM

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ah

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:12 PM

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ask whatever

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btw @pine condor

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:13 PM

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but don't we need another place to put something ?

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 9:13 PM

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i think one of the most interesting things about rando is using or being forced to use unusual strategies. giving the player more notches serves that purpose. putting nail arts in the pool does as well.

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what is WP?

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 9:13 PM

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nail arts is next on the list

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:13 PM

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we need to put something there so that it can take something elses place

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 9:13 PM

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White palace

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:13 PM

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📎 IMG_20171024_171319.jpg

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:13 PM

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oh, the quill

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:13 PM

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HOWVWOULD U DO THIS

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 9:13 PM

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the WP charm will probably be the same category as elegy

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and the Seer items

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:14 PM

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you could put the quill in WP and then make the quill an item

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 9:14 PM

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lol.... "do my homework"

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:14 PM

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of course, that's putting yet another item in a shop

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and shops are already op

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 9:14 PM

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yeah. i don't think we need that

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:14 PM

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me?

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:14 PM

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still think swapping mask fragment at mawlek would be good. gives you a reason to see another "boss" that isn't super hard, but is also never seen

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:15 PM

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have you tried implementing all 3

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 9:15 PM

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what do people think about randomizing which vendor sells which inventory of items? like sly might be the nailsmith, and leg eater has salubra's inventory.

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:15 PM

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and seeing what comes out hollowface

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:15 PM

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oh man that would suck

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and be hilarious

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at the same time

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 9:15 PM

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that'd also probably be much harder to code

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:15 PM

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probably

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 9:16 PM

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and add little value to the rando

ornate rivet Oct 24, 2017, 9:16 PM

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dang so can I ask my Physics HW in #off-topic too??

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:16 PM

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the answer is 42

ornate rivet Oct 24, 2017, 9:16 PM

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k wait up and I will take a picture of it /s

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 9:17 PM

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@pine condor in all seriousness, your question is too vague. can you ask something more specific, like is there part of it that you don't understand? if you just want the answer, then that's effectively cheating on your homework, which is dishonest, and it's not very interesting for us to help you in that way.

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:18 PM

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I'd suggest following @leaden hedge's advice. write those functions out, and see what their output is

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you'll gain a much better understanding if you do it

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 9:18 PM

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if you can, step through it in a debugger.

buoyant obsidian Oct 24, 2017, 9:18 PM

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I'll give you the answer for $1

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:18 PM

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do you take cookies ?

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there, i gave you a cookie and a cherry

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:20 PM

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sorry, i didnt mean it that way. i have a very basic to none understanding of coding, which is why i legit have no idea what this is talking about. can you possibly explain? it doesnt have to be this problem literally any possible info

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:20 PM

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why is this in your work then?

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:20 PM

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it not homeworj

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its a book that i bought in an attempt to learn coding

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 9:22 PM

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if the book is explaining it, wouldn't it have the answer on say, the next page?

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:22 PM

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nope

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:22 PM

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that's a crappy book

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:22 PM

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so a for loop takes 3 parameters
the number to start with, when to end, and what to do each loop to that number

so for( int x = 0; x < 10; x++ ) is saying set x to 0, and whilst x < 10, increment x

for( int x = 0; x < 10; x++ ){
    system.out.print(x)
}

will print everything between 0 and 10

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:22 PM

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this is the maybe third page of my book

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 9:23 PM

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either go back and read the book's explanation, and if it doesn't explain, then the book is not useful. get a different book / watch a youtube tutorial / something like that.

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:23 PM

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oh

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any suggestions for good videos

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is this code specifically java or...?

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:23 PM

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its java

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but it works for anything

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:23 PM

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oh

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 9:23 PM

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@pine condor no, they're all crap. i have a dream to someday make a good programming tutorial video. someday.

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:23 PM

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for loops are a standard

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:23 PM

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lul

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thanks

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:24 PM

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do you have a java ide?

buoyant obsidian Oct 24, 2017, 9:24 PM

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Sit in on a college class, they probably won't care

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:24 PM

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LOL

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nope

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 9:24 PM

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a college course wouldn't even notice

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:24 PM

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i cant go to college

buoyant obsidian Oct 24, 2017, 9:24 PM

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yep people do it all the time

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all the learning but with no degree

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 9:24 PM

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I go to a lot of classes I'm not in yet

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 9:25 PM

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^

rain cedar Oct 24, 2017, 9:25 PM

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In hopes I can get in later in the quarter

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:25 PM

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im in hs

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:25 PM

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you don't need to go to class to learn to program really

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 9:25 PM

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IntelliJ is my favorite IDE for Java; it really helps to have an IDE if you get serious about it.

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:25 PM

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can i still sneak into college classes?

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:25 PM

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theres plenty of information online about programming

buoyant obsidian Oct 24, 2017, 9:25 PM

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Eclipse is awesome

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:25 PM

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intelli j

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:25 PM

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for completion

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 9:25 PM

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there's no age restriction to be in a room

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:25 PM

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netbeans hollowface

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:25 PM

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ok

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would this coding be considered computer science?

buoyant obsidian Oct 24, 2017, 9:26 PM

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Yep

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 9:26 PM

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technically, you're not supposed to be in the class, but no one who would see you is incentivized to care.

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:26 PM

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cuz datz the book i bought lop

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ok

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:26 PM

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honestly get an IDE

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and make sure to test what its asking you about

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:26 PM

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honestly

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i dont know what tha is

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:27 PM

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the best way to learn programming is to do it

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 9:27 PM

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Hmm, my school would care. One of my teachers complained about it.

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:27 PM

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reading does very little without application

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:27 PM

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what would be a starting programming?

buoyant obsidian Oct 24, 2017, 9:27 PM

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An IDE is basically Notepad for running code

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:27 PM

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program*

buoyant obsidian Oct 24, 2017, 9:27 PM

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Python or Java would be decent starting languages

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:28 PM

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its fine to just program whatever your book asks you

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:28 PM

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its legit filled with questions like the first one

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:28 PM

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well implement them, see what the print out

buoyant obsidian Oct 24, 2017, 9:28 PM

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I can't imagine learning code through a book

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:28 PM

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okok

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:28 PM

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edit it and see what happens

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:29 PM

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welp

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gotta go with what you have

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welp

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hopefully this works

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:29 PM

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self learning is fine for programming

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if something doesn't work just search for stackoverflow with your exact problem hollowface

buoyant obsidian Oct 24, 2017, 9:30 PM

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Google is your best tool

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:30 PM

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hehe

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on it

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:30 PM

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i've been programming for 15 years, 95% of what i know, I've learned by trying stuff, and asking google.

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:30 PM

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wut should i download to start?

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woah

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:30 PM

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pick a language you want

ornate rivet Oct 24, 2017, 9:30 PM

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just dont ask anything on stack exchange, they will rip you apart

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:30 PM

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woah whats that

buoyant obsidian Oct 24, 2017, 9:30 PM

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I'd recommend downloading Eclipse IDE and starting to learn basic Java

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:31 PM

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or visual studio community and learn basic c#

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:31 PM

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or python and learn python

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you don't even need an IDE

buoyant obsidian Oct 24, 2017, 9:31 PM

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although I've heard starting with Python is easier yeah

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:31 PM

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oh

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ok

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:31 PM

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i guess the question is

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why do you want to learn to code

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:31 PM

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i went with eclipse

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:32 PM

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what is your end goal?

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:32 PM

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I learnt with pascal hollowface

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:32 PM

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i went with eclipse

ornate rivet Oct 24, 2017, 9:32 PM

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But python is really different from other languages like Java, C#, C++, C, etc...

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:32 PM

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not fundamentally

ornate rivet Oct 24, 2017, 9:32 PM

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syntax is

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:32 PM

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do you want to do websites? or desktop apps? or games? or....?

ornate rivet Oct 24, 2017, 9:32 PM

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Not that I know it

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:32 PM

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my end goal?

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 9:32 PM

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It's not typed for one thing.

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:32 PM

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ap computer science

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i want a five in that

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:32 PM

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sure its interpreted and weakly typed, doesn't use {}

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but the concepts are the same

buoyant obsidian Oct 24, 2017, 9:32 PM

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That's something entirely different then

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:32 PM

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website deisgn or basic animation

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 9:33 PM

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JS then.

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:33 PM

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those are 2 wildly different things 😉

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:33 PM

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LOL

buoyant obsidian Oct 24, 2017, 9:33 PM

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you'd have to look up AP Comp Sci curriculum

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:33 PM

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java sounds like the way to go

ornate rivet Oct 24, 2017, 9:33 PM

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AP Computer Science is based off of java

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:33 PM

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website stuff you should be looking at HTML/CSS/TypeScript(or Javascript).

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:33 PM

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yeppp

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the book was ap comp sci

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think i jumped a lil too far ahead

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 9:33 PM

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Java and JavaScript are completely different, btw. completely different.

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:33 PM

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therefore couldnt understand anything

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huh?

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wuts the difference

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:33 PM

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nah for loops are like day 1 stuff

ornate rivet Oct 24, 2017, 9:33 PM

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One is for websites

broken fable Oct 24, 2017, 9:34 PM

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they are completely different languages

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:34 PM

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they are entirely different languages

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 9:34 PM

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Everything but the name.

buoyant obsidian Oct 24, 2017, 9:34 PM

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I don't even know the difference haha

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:34 PM

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same haha

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 9:34 PM

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Though they both use C-like syntax.

ornate rivet Oct 24, 2017, 9:34 PM

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JS is for websites and Java is for programs

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:34 PM

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java and javascript are similar like car is like carpet

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:34 PM

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javascript is a scripted language primarily used for client side code in websites

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:34 PM

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LOP

young walrus Oct 24, 2017, 9:34 PM

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lol

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:34 PM

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is it possible to explore both options

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:35 PM

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you can do whatever

buoyant wasp Oct 24, 2017, 9:35 PM

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java is compiled language that can run back end software like servers, (which can serve websites), or desktop applications

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 9:35 PM

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Learning one language will make it easier to learn another.

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:35 PM

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whatever you learn in javascript will apply to java

ornate rivet Oct 24, 2017, 9:35 PM

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err just stick with Java if you want a 5 on the AP comp sci

buoyant obsidian Oct 24, 2017, 9:35 PM

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yeah if you learn one you kinda get the other as a bonus

leaden hedge Oct 24, 2017, 9:35 PM

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just the syntax will be different

tawny lynx Oct 24, 2017, 9:35 PM

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Most concepts apply to other languages.

pine condor Oct 24, 2017, 9:35 PM

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oh

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okok