hk-discussion

[river ferry]

thanks

[compact wasp]

just tell me lol

[foggy sable]

04r

I would say itemless but that is mean

And rude

[compact wasp]

i don't mind sinking 10 hours to 20 hours into a single boss

[foggy sable]

04r is like less than 2 hours for all alo but a few fights

[copper spruce]

I feel like screaming for 5 minutes straight

[compact wasp]

i swear that is just the nature of pantheon challenges

you get a breakthrough, then burn out hits and you regress for a bit

does that sound relatable?

[wind garnet]

probably

[compact wasp]

last 12 runs.

have died to marmu.

[pure ridge]

I got to 112% game completion in just under 87hours. I am now at 123Hours and am trying to beat abs rad

[compact wasp]

its like getting past her is not possible even in dreams

[wind garnet]

oh grey did i tell you about levis recent run

[foggy sable]

I think probably so

[wind garnet]

got to lost kin

you know

LOST KIN

[compact wasp]

who's levi?

[wind garnet]

THAT ONE BOSS

THE ONE AFTER

[compact wasp]

enraged guardian

[wind garnet]

💀

[foggy sable]

Marmu 04r is a an experience

[wind garnet]

hes a og player came back playing glitchless 3.0 and now r5ab

[foggy sable]

Not even that difficult

[compact wasp]

i have this very weird ability to manifest mindblocks where they don't exist

idk how's that even possible

[foggy sable]

I don't tend to follow other people's runs unless they tell me

[foggy sable]

Not unusual, see losing runs to sisters

[compact wasp]

yeah

I won't think about it though

just no otherwise I will get stuck there

[foggy sable]

Also here is the 04r stats I have

[compact wasp]

I think most mindblocks have like a simple logic chain

[foggy sable]

Marmu wasn't even that bad riiight

[compact wasp]

grey you know how long base markoth radiant took me right?

but ye marmu might be doable and this might also just be helpful

[foggy sable]

I took longer on radkoth than any markoth challenge I've done

Same with absrad

[compact wasp]

ye markoth took me 7 whole hours of trying for radiant

then marmu is just

weird

its literally a coin flip

[foggy sable]

Marmu is evil

[compact wasp]

honestly 04r also feels fun to do

so I might do it on every boss idk

[foggy sable]

I just wanted to be the best player(or close enough) at a boss

And marmu was it

[compact wasp]

like sisters lasted for 10 whole minutes but it was so fun

[foggy sable]

Sisters takes ages

Always in any challenge

[compact wasp]

yep

[foggy sable]

Bad news

[compact wasp]

yk what I take that back

I won't jinx it

[foggy sable]

You can still get hit to fights you are good at

[compact wasp]

ye but confidence is helpful

[foggy sable]

Although less so for r5

Dive spam works there so well

[compact wasp]

yeah

let's do marmu to vengefly kings 04r

out of just spite atp

[foggy sable]

I am too used to thinking about the conversion of consistency into r5ab context not r5

[pure ridge]

Ive dedicated 35 hours to p5 so far

[compact wasp]

ye that's fair

honestly this entire r5 attempt chain is like a cold shower lol

[pure ridge]

Only got to abs rad relatively recently too

[compact wasp]

congrats

[foggy sable]

r5 is evil and boring

[noble musk]

I despise white defender

[pure ridge]

Thanks, cant wait to "git gud" at her

[foggy sable]

r5ab is evil and boring but feels impressive to attempt so

[compact wasp]

ye for me that is r5

[foggy sable]

It is the only reason for running it really

[compact wasp]

yeah

I got lucky with p5ab

this is on just a whole other level

genuinely the only thing keeping me sane though is the knowledge that its been only neraly 6 days

[raw sonnet]

Heya

[compact wasp]

slow progress is expected

[foggy sable]

It is not a run you improve linearly at

Unfortunately

[compact wasp]

ye I think the wall will genuinely shatter once galien and marmu are consistent

its comical how stupidly consistently I can get lost kin to absrad hitless tbh

like even in all bindings most of them were hitless

[high helm]

can anyone hlep me with absrad

[foggy sable]

The problem is 95 and 90% consistent are very consistent but in a long run not that high

[frozen hull]

At sign GreyFire

[foggy sable]

Izu

[frozen hull]

Me

[compact wasp]

yeah for sure

[compact wasp]

that question has layers to it

which one

[high helm]

normal absolute radiance in p5

[compact wasp]

which attack

which phase

what situation

[high helm]

im on my first clear

idk how to play

idk eitehr

do u want to wacth me stream it and help me in vc

[compact wasp]

nah I can just send that doc

[high helm]

k

wah

wath

[compact wasp]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qC88RU8IXwrY58MpmXZs14UO1ECRUqBTo12RDVIKIYE/edit?tab=t.h3gfd7sqfyk#heading=h.1kd57ik3x328

atp this needs to be pinned

[foggy sable]

I can help in like 20 minutes when I get home

[high helm]

what

im not doing bindings

[compact wasp]

but it helps in general

it just explains every attack in detail which helps for normal p5 as well

[frozen hull]

Written by GayFire and revised by Gaynio

[high helm]

oh

[noble ruin]

said gayzubeth

[frozen hull]

Truth Nuke

[noble ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-4-fallout-truth-nuke-fake-nuke-gif-13478002415201826903

[teal basalt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821418646831235072/1459913150072619210/togif.gif

[noble ruin]

WHY did they not put my entire absrad guide in there even though its centred around full gear smh

"large and small gaps, you can fit between the small gaps with good spacing" WHY would you recommend this </3

nevermind its just me being illiterate

i love being overly critical for no reason

[teal basalt]

seems like a you problem

[foggy sable]

I write the entire thing in one week okayy

[noble ruin]

yeah it is

[stone mural]

hello again people

[indigo grail]

'Cause they're harder and therefore required a lot more practice

[noble ruin]

yeah bunch of stuff id add to the absrad section but im too much of a nerd who cares

[foggy sable]

I did try finding other people to write sections on bosses they were good at

But there were no volunteers who weren't busy when I was writing it

[tacit spear]

Hi new grime ^_^

[noble ruin]

like one thing i find super useful for absrad first phase is staying underneath her as much as you can

makes it easiest to do damage and also makes it a lot easier to react to beam burst and sword burst

like i usually rush to get underneath her if i see her about to do one

[tulip narwhal]

Words cannot describe my love for Absolute Radiance

[foggy sable]

There is so much to add to it

[compact wasp]

ye its probably really outdated especially for marmu now

[foggy sable]

Like I don't even use that collector strat any more

[wind garnet]

time to update

[foggy sable]

Marmu is actually up to date

[wind garnet]

i can probably add one thing for pv

[foggy sable]

Because I dabbled in itemless around that time

[tacit spear]

Hi suscat ^_^

[wind garnet]

🐛

[raw sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cecesrhaccc1-on-tiktok-cecesrhaccc1-wave-wave-cat-cecesgif-gif-3519480851846766777

[foggy sable]

Perhaps

[noble ruin]

me

[noble ruin]

can i remove the marmu section

and then remove them from the game

[foggy sable]

I want to do r5ab before I rewrite mostly is the reason I haven't by now

[noble ruin]

is dashslash like 100% consistent hitless btw cause ive never seen it used in really hard hitless runs

in final phase i mean

[wind garnet]

it looks like it

i saw levi do it twice and it looks pretty easy

[noble ruin]

i mean its definitely easy

[foggy sable]

I use it

And did for rabono

[noble ruin]

im just asking if theres like a 1% chance for an orb to spawn somewhere that hits you

[wind garnet]

one of them was a 3 hit r5ab run

[wind garnet]

i can ask justin to check

[foggy sable]

The only time it ever fails is input error

[wind garnet]

lol

[noble ruin]

i always found failed champ harder than marmu and galien in p5ab but maybe i just suck at him

[foggy sable]

I used to be bad at fc before I learnt that you can just cheese the fight via ai manip

[tulip narwhal]

Failed champ is harder than marmu but 100x easier than galien

[compact wasp]

i would say oro and mato are usually a challenge solely because people never needed to learn them before

[copper spruce]

is that the jump spam

[foggy sable]

and more importantly learnt how it works properly

[tulip narwhal]

Galien is actually top 5 for hardest ab bosses

[wind garnet]

hes been FARMING levi

feel bad for bro

[trail jackal]

ms.SHAWWWWWWWW is harder ngl

[foggy sable]

galien is EVIL

[compact wasp]

galien is just painful

[tulip narwhal]

trueeee

[trail jackal]

lmao

[wind garnet]

i told him to do 04r 3x in a row as punishment

[bitter jolt]

wait is levi trying r5ab or smth

[wind garnet]

indeed

[bitter jolt]

is he taking a break from 3.0 glitchless or has he dropped it entirely

[wind garnet]

he dropped it

[noble ruin]

sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[bitter jolt]

dam rip

[compact wasp]

someone who dropped anyrad for r5ab

[bitter jolt]

we all banking on noaran now

[compact wasp]

damn is it opposite day?

[noble ruin]

if noaran drops it ill do it surely

just gimme a few years

[bitter jolt]

lol surely

[wind garnet]

he got to plat 14 i think in climb

[bitter jolt]

dam rip :<

[noble ruin]

is the bounty still up

[wind garnet]

yes

[noble ruin]

dropping a first in the world and 1000 dollars to play r5ab smh

[wind garnet]

r5 players man i cant

bunch of FREAKS

[noble ruin]

so true

[wind garnet]

except for grey and lune

[noble ruin]

why does 3.0 seem more possible to me than r5

i think its cause its better designed and less rng mhm

[wind garnet]

hmm i think you overestimate the difficulty of r5

it cant be that bad right 🥀

[indigo grail]

One boss vs. 42(?) hitless

[bitter jolt]

lol

[noble ruin]

5 attempts and not under a 6 hit means its impossible i think

[bitter jolt]

yea 42

[buoyant berry]

hey is there a french HK server please?

[wind garnet]

just binge a series

[indigo grail]

Thanks

[noble ruin]

if i cant beat it in one attempt then why even try sigh

[bitter jolt]

lol

real

[noble ruin]

also r5 is impossible cause marmu and lost kin suck and i hate them

[wind garnet]

use flukes

lol

[noble ruin]

im too stupid to use those

[foggy sable]

fluke galien...

[noble ruin]

i used those once and they didnt work better than shadesoul therefore i legally cant use them

[indigo grail]

Didn't they just get nerfed?

[noble ruin]

aint no one playing latest patch]

[indigo grail]

Console

[noble ruin]

aint no one doing r5 on console

except yarn cause shes cool

[indigo grail]

True ig

[tulip narwhal]

? I did r5 on my NES twin

[topaz trellis]

[noble ruin]

204 more messages and ill be at 100000

then im forced to retire

[topaz trellis]

How the fuck

[noble ruin]

floggy has 200000 dont talk to me smh

[tulip narwhal]

Bit over 2k more messages ill be at 200k

Hip hip hooray

[noble ruin]

also i was a regular here for like 2 years

and i yap a lot

[rustic salmon]

holy yap

[noble ruin]

yeah like that

[rustic salmon]

also, hello

[tulip narwhal]

Kondy why do you only have 13k smh

[noble ruin]

hi have i ever seen you before

[rustic salmon]

i prob have more in help

[tulip narwhal]

You have 13k server wide thoughhh

[noble ruin]

damn im mean

[rustic salmon]

maybe i should speak more

[indigo grail]

I've only got 5.088.....sigh....

[tulip narwhal]

Talking in hkmain is like a competetive sport BTW

[rustic salmon]

arent we all

[noble ruin]

floggy is the meanest of the mean

[rustic salmon]

but like at least now you didnt say that

[noble ruin]

yeah and the more messages you have the harder youre losing

[tulip narwhal]

Ive NEVER seen kondy he must be such a random

HUH NO who said that

More messages means more aura

[indigo grail]

Or you need a job

[noble ruin]

im gonna do 1 absrad fight and if i get hit im leaving the server

[rustic salmon]

i did think i have more than 13k bh

[zinc iris]

Wonder how much i have

[noble ruin]

and i will NEVER reach 100k messages

[rustic salmon]

im kinda surprised

[rustic salmon]

hellow

[zinc iris]

Hi

[indigo grail]

Good luck

[rustic salmon]

more than me...

how

am i left behind so much

[indigo grail]

You can search yourself up by username and check

[zinc iris]

Help grind

[rustic salmon]

oke, tbf, my absrad guid has got to be worth like a few messages more than it is

surely

[tulip narwhal]

hk-help worst channel

[noble ruin]

i fucking died cause i forgot to turn off anyrad

[zinc iris]

Wow when hk gen exists

[rustic salmon]

ew, wrong evil not good person,

[zinc iris]

And sk disc

[tulip narwhal]

Ok dude

[indigo grail]

OOF

[indigo grail]

Art-discussion bestest

[rustic salmon]

help channel has no slowmode

so best channel

[tulip narwhal]

This channel used to have no slowmode until the authoritarians took over and forced everyone into their evil twisted ideology

[noble ruin]

doesnt count smh

[indigo grail]

Didn't notice there was one

Wait there isn't

[tulip narwhal]

That means you've fallen for the propaganda

[rustic salmon]

well, i wasnt there so that clearly never was a thing /jk

[indigo grail]

You lied >:(

[tulip narwhal]

NO ITS THE PROPAGANDA

They r brainwashing u

[rustic salmon]

ee

[topaz trellis]

There is no slow mode for me

What

[rustic salmon]

what, where slowmode

lmao

[topaz trellis]

How does that work

[rustic salmon]

thats new

[topaz trellis]

There is none

[rustic salmon]

thx generous person, i love you

[tulip narwhal]

Haha you're welcome

Throwout123 and eloki are my alts BTW

[rustic salmon]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[rustic salmon]

interesting

[noble ruin]

ok i won whatever ig ill stay

[tulip narwhal]

Yay\

[zinc iris]

Who's zals alt

[noble ruin]

what if i run it back tho

[autumn ice]

wait

no slowmode

gg

[rustic salmon]

surely

[tulip narwhal]

@autumn ice yowaddup

[noble ruin]

k it worked

what if i run it back tho

[tulip narwhal]

Lock in clover

[noble ruin]

no

im putting on music so i cant hear the telegraphs

[rustic salmon]

you usually play hk without music?

.

[noble ruin]

im putting on my own music thats rly loud

also i won

[rustic salmon]

i dont like godhome music so ive been doing that for a while, maybe i shouldnt

but like also, music is fun

[autumn ice]

hello floggy

[noble ruin]

music has gotten me hit to gpz in an r5 attempts cause i couldnt hear him jumping around offscreen

[autumn ice]

my desktop discord is not working for some reason so i'm on browser

[rustic salmon]

damn, thats rough

[noble ruin]

oki did 4 in a row i think im forced to stay in the server

[autumn ice]

[noble ruin]

oh yeah i couldve overcharmed im dumb

[tulip narwhal]

Woaw

[naive dew]

@noble ruin

[rustic salmon]

imma go practice some segmented

[noble ruin]

oki i won again i think its fien

[noble ruin]

hi bocchi the rock

[tulip narwhal]

fienberg

[noble ruin]

also 5/5 times she went right side instead of left thats like a 1/243 chance what the helly

[naive dew]

hiiiii hru

[noble ruin]

well now i need to see if she'll do it again

[naive dew]

its me bocchi the rock

[noble ruin]

im tired

[tulip narwhal]

Hi tired

[noble ruin]

okay i got hit on the 7th run cause i was playing like an aggressive dumbass and just face dancing around orbs whatever

okay but i pulled it off in plats hitless so it makes up for it surely

[noble ruin]

hi honse

i hit a fucking triple air stall on the sword wall rahh

[wraith fern]

Fein fein, fein fein fein

[noble ruin]

i love feingberg

[storm flax]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gulp-cat-cute-cat-talking-talking-cat-gif-12125349772742836623

[noble ruin]

you hate the goat

[formal ridge]

money down but we down

[naive dew]

@storm flax

[dry creek]

[fallow grotto]

👋

[copper spruce]

@frozen hull I did it.

[gleaming summit]

Mine

[copper spruce]

He's suuuper screwed

[river granite]

"People always told me be careful who you trust, and don't go around breaking young girls hearts, and mother always told me, becareful who you love, becareful what you do, cuz the lie becomes the truth hey hey heyyyy, Billie Jean, not my lover, she just a girl, who claims that I am the one"

[hot void]

anything but hk

[dry creek]

oh my god nobody cares

its allowed

[foggy sable]

there is nothing hk related left to talk about anyway

[copper spruce]

Masochism

[foggy sable]

...

[dry creek]

grub!!!

^_^

[compact wasp]

still waiting for skong dlc

then there will be so much to talk about

[winged spear]

indeed

[foggy sable]

a very spinny grub

[dry creek]

anyways i almost have radhog i just need absrad !!

[foggy sable]

oh gl!

[compact wasp]

gl!

[winged spear]

dang

[dry creek]

thx!

[winged spear]

I aint ever getting ab absrad

[vivid drum]

one of my online friends who i gifted this game to did two sessions and got to hornet protector and then hasn't played since

[winged spear]

[dry creek]

fahhhhh

[vivid drum]

i swear, it's a canon event to play hk for a bit, drop it for a few months, then really get into it

[winged spear]

15 dollars down the drain

[vivid drum]

the same thing happened to me

[dry creek]

ive only gifted one game to someone. it was cotl + woolhaven to my sibling and only cause they were stuck on mobile

[winged spear]

I started it, left at dirtmouth, came back a few months later LOL

[vivid drum]

i did one session, then dropped the game for 3 months, and then gave it a second chance and then got hooked

the exact same thing happened with omori

[winged spear]

[dry creek]

it took me 3 years lmao

[vivid drum]

you win some, you lose some (and i don't even see it as a loss)

[dry creek]

i bought it in 2021 but i didnt know how to play on keyboard

so i just gave up

[compact wasp]

oh hey omori fan

[dry creek]

then returned in 24 and fell in love

[vivid drum]

i gifted that same online friend celeste when it was on sale and he got totally hooked on it, line and sinker

he streamed it 17 days in a row until he got all achievements

[dry creek]

i couldnt afford omori so i tried to watch a playthrough but i lost interest like 18 hours in

[winged spear]

I fumbled my chance at all achievements cuz I didn't get the arcane egg in lifeblood core room 🥀

[vivid drum]

played it a couple years back

[vivid drum]

isn't that not an hk achievement (plus i was talking about celeste)

[winged spear]

gotcha, but all relics is an achievement I believe

[dry creek]

no

its not

[winged spear]

?

[vivid drum]

not in hollow knight, not in silksong

[dry creek]

trust me

[rustic salmon]

you dont need that for all achieve?

[winged spear]

I see

I thought it was mb

[compact wasp]

what maed you think it was?

[rustic salmon]

it is missable

[compact wasp]

what line of thought led to that?

wait no that sounds rude

[rustic salmon]

lol

[compact wasp]

I have heard people think all bindings was an achievement too

[rustic salmon]

would be funny

[winged spear]

well that obv isn't, but the thing with relics is that it coulda been like grubs and stuff like that

[winged spear]

some video

[errant raven]

I knew someone who thought you couldn't get to the next pantheon unless you beat it with all bindings

[winged spear]

at least they'll be overprepared for the next one 😭

[rustic salmon]

ive been pracicing koth and absrad today, koth feels awful, and i fumble absrad final phase way more often than id think i was gonna

[compact wasp]

i have also seen people just not read the tutorial and finish the game without knowing you can heal

[winged spear]

[compact wasp]

sincerely idk how's that even possible

but that is why I watch only pantheon streams now

[winged spear]

don't you literally need to focus to get the dreamers? 💀

[compact wasp]

they didn't think it was for healing

they thought you could cast spells and focus stuff into yourself

healing just..didn't register

[rustic salmon]

we are kinda destined to not enjoy normal playthrus that much

its the sad reality

[compact wasp]

yeah it triggers my ocd lol

not even optimization. more like "please stop force healing"

[rustic salmon]

lol

[compact wasp]

i feel like windette in those streams

"USE THE FUCKING SPELLS"

[rustic salmon]

what i love mist is when some1 in their chat recommends those kinds of charms

[compact wasp]

i think the only way for a pantheon stream to be painful to watch for me is if the person is wearing sharp shadow

[hot void]

low key just play the game yourself

[compact wasp]

I won't tell them to remove it, but I do disagree

[rustic salmon]

besides the just blatantly wrong lore they also sometimes say lel

[compact wasp]

ye that is what we do now

[rustic salmon]

i just leave

.

[compact wasp]

same

i don't linger in those streams anymore. Earlier idk I had this weird ego trip where I WANTED to make them change charms

but now I kinda realized how dumb that was

and just leave

[hot void]

what are you on about

[compact wasp]

basically I used to think I was good at the game

now I don't anymore

[hot void]

i guess

[rustic salmon]

thing is, they are having fun, its unfortunately hard for some1 who has mostly finished the game to not micromanage, but like its really not good to alter their playstyle when they barely even developed1 to begin with

[copper hull]

no

infact, sharp shadow is my spell

[rustic salmon]

USE THEM

[compact wasp]

Mhm I realized that

I used to be pretty dumb

[copper hull]

i use sharo shadow, thats basically a spell

sharp*

[hot void]

ew

[copper hull]

WDYM EW

[hot void]

sharp shadow is only good for ruining my white palace time

[compact wasp]

then all bindings apparently made me transcend charms so

[copper hull]

ITS AN A TIER CHARM

[compact wasp]

I am physically unable to care

[hot void]

F tier

[rustic salmon]

besides, that leasds to really weird arguements with ppl, when they question why you would know better

[copper hull]

i couldnt do white palace without it

[copper spruce]

Sharp shadow fans

[rustic salmon]

.

[hot void]

ss is F tier charm

[copper hull]

A

B tier at the lowest

[rustic salmon]

ye, sure

[compact wasp]

would use it for fun, but pure value vise actually less than F

[rustic salmon]

ill leave you be

[hot void]

A tier for moving around the map F for everything else

[copper hull]

Its A tier against nkg

[compact wasp]

A tier for fun, but F tier for existing

[copper hull]

i will die over this

[hot void]

bro how do you even use it in nkg

[rustic salmon]

its like actively hindering, but fun nontheless ye

[copper hull]

nkg dashes at me, i dash thru him

damage

[hot void]

youre supposed to pogo side hit

[compact wasp]

you can do that without SS

[foggy sable]

I love sharp shadow for nkg

[compact wasp]

but SS can just work on every boss

[hot void]

pogo side hit you get 2 nail hit ss gives 1 nail hit

[copper hull]

yeah but i cant process jumping and hitting him plus SS is needed to get past the fire

[rustic salmon]

more satusfying to nail justa normal shadecloack thru him when he does the firedash

[hot void]

bro youre supposed to pogo

[copper hull]

nah uh

[compact wasp]

you can just dodge the fire

[foggy sable]

for pufferfish I mean

[rustic salmon]

kinda precize, but very nice feel

[compact wasp]

literally dash through and dash back, and you are done

[copper hull]

the fire that ur dashing into?

[rustic salmon]

ah, thats just cursed

[copper hull]

very smart

[foggy sable]

it isn't good but it is funny

[rustic salmon]

very

[compact wasp]

I mean the upper cut

[hot void]

you get way more dmg from pogoing

[compact wasp]

but if its a diagonal dash, then its really just a pogo

[hot void]

and side hit or spell

[copper hull]

i was on about the diagonal dash

[foggy sable]

it is the lesser known pair with the uumuu sharp shadow video

[compact wasp]

then its a pogo

[dry creek]

also gang i got nine sols and so far its pretty good; not the greatest game ive ever played, just really good.

[hot void]

pogo, shade soul or nail hit

[compact wasp]

but ye as grey said, its not good by any means but it can be funny

[foggy sable]

behold
https://youtu.be/fAiYt6Rwp9c

[copper hull]

W

[compact wasp]

like by all means, Sharp shadow is hot garbage in every possible sense of the word, but it is fun

[copper hull]

its 1 x nail hit no?

[rustic salmon]

btw, do you have any advice for me to try and use on koth phase2?

[hot void]

it actually makes a white palace skip that saves 7 seconds possible

so it's not that bad

[compact wasp]

unbreakable strength

[rustic salmon]

i can manage with lifeblood, but wanna be safe when i start attempting runs more seriously

[compact wasp]

the doc does exist

[copper hull]

ok, yeah, but without it

[foggy sable]

for p5ab markoth, be very patient

[copper hull]

unbr strengrh is 1.5x stronger

[hot void]

nail arts or what

[rustic salmon]

doc?

[compact wasp]

then you are handicapping yourself to justify sharp shadow. You already proved sharp shadow is garbage

[wind garnet]

Patience

[foggy sable]

know how to heal on the shield spin

[tropic nest]

Sshadow doesnt use strength

[compact wasp]

I know

[copper hull]

how did i prove dharo shadow is garbage? its extremely useful for aggression and speeding up fights

[foggy sable]

ummmm, use dash slash twice each shield spin

[rustic salmon]

well, i know that part, i do take way too much dmg.......

[compact wasp]

that's what I mean

[copper hull]

i can't type

[hot void]

it actively slows fights

[foggy sable]

outside of that great slash is good to keep markoth away

[compact wasp]

rael, what you are saying is just proven wrong so many times

please don't even try

[copper hull]

would rather get rewarded for dodging

[hot void]

you're dodging when you can just pogo

[copper hull]

reaction time

[wind garnet]

Nah every fight can be sped up with enough skill

[rustic salmon]

so no foolproof method, was just making sure im not missing something crucial, and if its just a skill issue

[compact wasp]

have yall seen seanie's short about recommending sharp shadow for pure vessel?

[compact wasp]

its really just patience

[rustic salmon]

seems to be a skill issue

[hot void]

is your reaction time 1500ms

[copper hull]

i cant processing jump + pogo after the diagonal dash

also no

[foggy sable]

send

[rustic salmon]

anyway, thx Greyfire

[copper hull]

its extremely fast, assuming the screen is not chaotic

[hot void]

it's not even about reaction time

it's slow as fuck

and it has a sound cue

[foggy sable]

oh wait I have more

I remembered

[compact wasp]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9BC6Ll-ZFKQ?si=PflXWL6bHnaCkWnf

[copper hull]

ah yes the diagonal dash into a straight forward dash from nkg is slow despite the fact i consistently miss time the pogo

[foggy sable]

in phase 2 try not to move downwards unless a sword has just spawned and you really need to move

[ebon depot]

Holy fuck sharp shadow discussion

[hot void]

you're just bad

[foggy sable]

likewise don't dash unless you are desperate and time it after a sword spawns

[compact wasp]

i still don't understand where the sharp shadow stanning comes from

I swear its the dream stan of charms

[wind garnet]

Yep they still exist

[foggy sable]

try to stick around the upper platforms because of this

[copper hull]

nkg was my first skill check btw

[wind garnet]

It’s like a cult

[hot void]

bro heavy blow has more uses than sharp shadow

[foggy sable]

that way you can move upwards if you need to evade

[copper hull]

everything else was easy till then

[hot void]

nkg is easier than normal grimm

[copper hull]

not for me

[hot void]

it's balrey a skill check

[wind garnet]

Yato did you ever talk to bonk

[compact wasp]

how tf do we have 2 horrible opinions now?

[ebon depot]

Sharp shadow for PV is fine, its obviously not useful if you so good strats but new players arent and it can help with timing dash strats

[ebon depot]

You mean the GOAT, ofcourse

[compact wasp]

not in p5 when the next boss is absrad

[hot void]

flueknest is more useful and it doesnt even work on pv unless he is moving

[wind garnet]

I wish he could see radpv runs now

[copper hull]

its the fastest fight i ever went against

[hot void]

it's still easy

[wind garnet]

I also thought you would’ve hated him since reading his old messages bro lowkey had a ego

[rustic salmon]

oki, so try stay upper platforms, save dash, and only use when sword is out, noted

[copper hull]

I'd rather fight broken vessel

[compact wasp]

and avoid left wall.

[wind garnet]

At least some of them were

[compact wasp]

at all costs.

[copper hull]

broken vessel is so much easier

[wind garnet]

Maybe it was more tolerated back then

[hot void]

BRO HE IS EASIER THAN FALSE KNIGHT

[foggy sable]

not at all costs

[rustic salmon]

ye, ive had my exp with that, i do that already xd

[compact wasp]

okay ye that was too extreme

but that thing tormented me so much

just keep it as the last resort

[foggy sable]

I use it a fair bit in phase 1 if needed as a way of moving vertically when cornered

[compact wasp]

or smth

like only if you have nothing else

[foggy sable]

but it is better not to if you can avoid

[compact wasp]

to avoid damage

[rustic salmon]

phase 1 feels chill to me rn

[foggy sable]

I greed so hard on phase 1

[copper hull]

hm yes nkg who is grimm but with super speed that i have no knowledge about is easier than the easiest boss in the game

[foggy sable]

great slashes

[copper hull]

oh wait false knight is the dream nail ver

[ebon depot]

Its really not as bad as you make it out to be, at worst youre just trading 2 notches for higher comfort, obviously this isnt a good trade but it also barely matters at the skill level it gets recommended at

[rustic salmon]

idk why but phase 2 doesnt just feel a little harder, it feels like a completly different fight

[copper hull]

false knight was easy regardless

[hot void]

broken vessel is easier than flase knight

[copper hull]

was it

im going skizzo

[copper hull]

not for me

[ebon depot]

youre not wrong

[compact wasp]

..i swear this conversation is like watching 2 people talk who both think they know what they are talking about

[hot void]

it slows down bosses most of the time

[wind garnet]

They fixed it

[copper hull]

well not at the fime

[hot void]

they did?

[copper hull]

time

[wind garnet]

Yeah

[hot void]

is flukenest still fucked then?

[wind garnet]

Flukes lost multi hit but they work against pv

They patched the game 💀

[ebon depot]

I literally used to be the best PV player in the world for multiple years.. i do know what im talking about

[hot void]

so 112 down patches now?

[compact wasp]

I know you do

I am saying the other two

[wind garnet]

Old man yells at cloud

[wind garnet]

Uhhhh I think so

[ebon depot]

oh

[compact wasp]

never heard someone say nkg is easier than tmg though

[wind garnet]

Nah I agree

[rustic salmon]

tbf

[hot void]

on radiant bro

[copper hull]

the first bosses i struggled against:
broken vessel,
hornet sentinel,
soul tyrant,
nkg

[hot void]

radiant tmg is harder than radiant nkg

[rustic salmon]

tmg is scary, he kinda just does stuff you forgot eveb existed

dusty ahh fight every time

[foggy sable]

tmg is a way better fight out of the two of them

[ebon depot]

getting called old by the uncest of em all smh

[compact wasp]

i do prefer nkg over tmg though

I find it more fun

tmg just feels janky to me

[hot void]

tmg bat pattern is way harder than nkg

[compact wasp]

ah yes a double jump and a dash is harder than hoola hoops

[rustic salmon]

why, how old is suscat?

[hot void]

nkg you just dash

or jump dash

[compact wasp]

in tmg you literally just double jump

[hot void]

tmg you have to wait

[compact wasp]

and you are done

[hot void]

but you have to wait so long

[ebon depot]

hes like a year older then me iirc so like, ancient

[hot void]

and if you go early you die

[compact wasp]

and its so easy to abuse the pufferfish for shrieks in tmg compared to nkg

[foggy sable]

you do not

[copper hull]

tmg?

[hot void]

sometimes he does bs

[compact wasp]

troupe master grimm

[foggy sable]

he does not

[rustic salmon]

damn bro, thx for all the info i just got oit of that

[compact wasp]

he does not.

[copper hull]

oh

[hot void]

he spawns bat inside me bro

[heavy osprey]

tmg is easier than nkg but when you get so used to nkg, tmg can get jarring in comparison

[hot void]

he aint supposed to do that shit

[compact wasp]

pretty much yeah

[ebon depot]

smh imagine not knowing how old i am, that would put it at 20 and 21 respectively

[compact wasp]

oh back step?

then you suck at timing

[wind garnet]

They dropped a beta that fixed pv and kept the full multi hit damage radpv 10 seconds

[hot void]

no he spawns bat in me bro

[compact wasp]

no that has never happened with me

[wind garnet]

Bruh

[hot void]

tmg took me 35 min to rad nkg took 3 attempts

tmg harder

[rustic salmon]

so yall are my age...

[wind garnet]

Ohh wrong vid

💀

[compact wasp]

you have no idea how little total attempt count matters to me

[foggy sable]

I literally did radiant 1 nail damage nail only tmg first try...

attempt count means nothing

[hot void]

??

i did them b2b radiant

one took way longer

that one harder

simple as that

[compact wasp]

then you just suck at tmg

not that tmg is harder

[foggy sable]

that does not mean it is more difficult

[ebon depot]

holy shit another person that isnt 14 in hkmain, thats crazy

[hot void]

on radiant he is tho

[rustic salmon]

4u

[compact wasp]

its the same fight in radiant

[hot void]

like normally you just insta kill with flukes

[hot void]

no cus damage is equalized

[wind garnet]

Here we go

[compact wasp]

I don't insta kill with flukes

[wind garnet]

So cursed

[hot void]

i do

[compact wasp]

never needed to

[rustic salmon]

ik, i always assume ppl are like my age, and than the realisation strikes, every1 is 14, being 20+ years old, may as well be dead...

[ebon depot]

seeing flukes on pv hurts me

[wind garnet]

Same man

It’s only a thing on beta patch

[compact wasp]

let the dude go. It doesn't deserve flukes

I swear this is the same argument of people saying pv is easier than nkg

which cannot be more wrong

[ebon depot]

we had one last bastion of hope for the fluke haters smh, and then tc comes and ruins it

[hot void]

both are easy as fuck

[foggy sable]

wow someone who doesn't know how to do the fight without damage tanking finds the radiant harder than the one they learnt to fight normally

[wind garnet]

I lowkey hate flukes but it’s cool ngl

[hot void]

tanking?

bro what

[compact wasp]

face tanknig

as in tanking damage to do damage

[foggy sable]

112 hit trades tmg right?

[hot void]

no?

iirc it does not

[ebon depot]

i think flukes are so lame, they dont even look cool its just one button and you win

[hot void]

also i learned the fight normally way before using flukes

[ashen ginkgo]

@magic storm If you’re on and able tonight I’ll try not to go to bed early this time

[wind garnet]

W yato

[ebon depot]

tbf not like normal pv is much better with right shriek strats that just win but i dont use those either

[hot void]

pv was my first rad

[wind garnet]

It’s just crazy the differences

[compact wasp]

then how do none of your points make sense whatsoever

[foggy sable]

tmg is slower, sticks around longer, and is otherwise similar

[compact wasp]

on top of it tmg sticks around in the arena during ground spike

[foggy sable]

the fight is just as consistent as nkg

[wind garnet]

It took hundreds of hours for 16.50 radpv and it took 1 hour for flukes 10 sec radpv

[hot void]

dude tmg is harder cus he is slow so you have to be patient

[wind garnet]

It was so cathartic

[compact wasp]

being slow makes him easier

[hot void]

slow bosses are harder than fast

[ebon depot]

yeah that sounds about right for flukestrats

[compact wasp]

cuz you have an easier time to react

[foggy sable]

also you don't have to be patient in tmg

[compact wasp]

objectively not true. Then absrad is easier than base radiance

[foggy sable]

it honestly just sounds like a strategy issue if you are

[ebon depot]

truly just the win button, you love to see it

[wind garnet]

Wanna guess how long it took me to get a 8.3 attpv

💀

[hot void]

it is?

[compact wasp]

it isn't

by far isn't

[rustic salmon]

this is personal, it being more difficult for u doesnt meants more dufficult in general

[compact wasp]

but everything you are saying is personal opinion

[hot void]

okay for ME slow bosses suck and are way too hard

[compact wasp]

ye, that's a better point

[wind garnet]

Flukes slop

[compact wasp]

flukes in pv is just so disrespectful but I can't even be mad

[ebon depot]

[compact wasp]

kill marmu with fire

[hot void]

they dont even work

[wind garnet]

The worst part is that they fucking fixeddd ittt

Like

Why change pv before the fucking real patch

[hot void]

no one playing lp if they fixed flukes

[wind garnet]

You morons

[compact wasp]

idk why team cherry fixes speedrun strat that a casual player would never use

[wind garnet]

I’m just gonna pretend it never existed

[compact wasp]

like tool pogos in skong was one

[wind garnet]

A nightmare

[hot void]

just downpatch

[wind garnet]

It haunted me for 2 months

[hot void]

lp sucks

they also ruined inventory drops

[compact wasp]

i don't think anyone here plays lp

cuz lp doesn't support mods

[wind garnet]

And inv tanking

[hot void]

they remove everything fun bruh

i waste so much time going for inv drops everywhere

and now i cant

[ebon depot]

QoL just puts them back in no?

[dry creek]

bio final is today, wish me luck

[compact wasp]

lp doesn't support mods

[hot void]

i dont think qol is legal

[compact wasp]

so qol isn't there either

[rustic salmon]

newest patch broke console journal achievements too btw

cause like why not

[ebon depot]

ok but what speedrun even runs lp

[hot void]

why even update hk

[cold basin]

Oh, my apologies. That was me.

I ate them.

[dry creek]

guys please wish me luck im scared

[foggy sable]

gll!

[cold basin]

I wish you luck.

[wind garnet]

💀

[dry creek]

thx guys

[rustic salmon]

gl!

[wind garnet]

Bum tc

Can’t do shit right

[rustic salmon]

greetings sire

[hot void]

red candle way better than tc

[wind garnet]

Wanna see the cursed clip

[cold basin]

Might this be the most ill-informed sentiment of the age?

[foggy sable]

DDark mossy strats may be the best thing ever I've decided

[hot void]

silksong so bad it ruined hk

[rustic salmon]

we should make a diagram of how much your time spent in hk influences how much you enjoy sk

[hot void]

only ppl that like silksong are the new gens that skipped hk

[copper spruce]

silk kong?

[compact wasp]

still insane to me that my entire hk playtime happened because of waiting for sea of sorrow

I am not letting that shit go

how's that unironically true

[inner flicker]

I got the golden Zote statue

[rustic salmon]

skong

[hot void]

wait

so

did yall get hk last year?

[copper spruce]

okay so it is silk kong

[inner flicker]

I used the perfect combo for the last one…

[magic storm]

Now works

[compact wasp]

i got into hk last november

[hot void]

bro what

[inner flicker]

This year

[hot void]

i got into hk november too

[rustic salmon]

grats

[compact wasp]

I played silksong first in like october

then started hk in november

now I have like 240 hours in hollow knight

[hot void]

i started hk novemember played silksong september

[rustic salmon]

they are just very fast

[hot void]

only??

[rustic salmon]

like very very

[hot void]

you were talking like you had a lot

[flat vigil]

Guys to your opinion what's the most difficult... P4ab or p4 with no upgrades?

[foggy sable]

hk no, challenge running yes

[wind garnet]

So cursed

[cold basin]

P4 with no upgrades.

[hot void]

how is this a question

[rustic salmon]

me too btw

[hot void]

or what does no upgrades mean

[compact wasp]

so ab or 04?

[hot void]

wth

[flat vigil]

Yeah but you have more life and soul..

[compact wasp]

well not 04

[rustic salmon]

2025 when i actually started playing

[compact wasp]

old nail and white spells

[foggy sable]

charms are very strong

[compact wasp]

shaman

literally just shaman

[foggy sable]

aside from fc it makes every fight trivial basically

[hot void]

i started silksong september quit october, started playing hk november

[vernal knot]

False Champion?

[compact wasp]

tbf fc is also kinda slow once you get used to it

[flat vigil]

And no hearts or soul shards

[compact wasp]

failed champ

[compact wasp]

that's just bindings with extra steps

that makes no difference

[foggy sable]

I'm bad okay

at fc

[compact wasp]

I am okayish at fc

manageabel

[hot void]

i could prolly do p5ab

but it's too boring

[compact wasp]

I haven't done much-

but I have done enough

i think that's the best way to say it

[foggy sable]

p5ab is great trust

[rustic salmon]

hmmmmmmmmm

[foggy sable]

it isn't miserable and tragic

[hot void]

it doesnt seem too hard just boring

[rustic salmon]

ye, so true, im enjoying the burn

[compact wasp]

it is fun to optimize each fight

[foggy sable]

ab is more interesting than full equipment

because fights last more than 4 seconds

[compact wasp]

but I got lucky with ab by winning in 5 attempts

can't imagine the hell if it lasted for more

[hot void]

no cus ab is so boring

it's so slow

[compact wasp]

chicken do you know opinions exist?

do you know that's a word in the english language?

[hot void]

im stating my own opinion

[rustic salmon]

how much playtime do you have btw?

[compact wasp]

and can be formed as an expression from the english lexicon?

[hot void]

only 350 i dont play a lot

[compact wasp]

that's not playing a lot?

[hot void]

no

[compact wasp]

huh

[hot void]

ive had the game since november

[compact wasp]

same here

I got it like late november

[hot void]

november 2020

[rustic salmon]

egh, youll prob eventually visit ab

[compact wasp]

I had it by november 2025 I think

[hot void]

yeah i had it 5 years earlier

[copper hull]

i got the game december last year

[hot void]

prong prime and piep seem more fun than hk stuff

[compact wasp]

but let's not compare pl aytimes

that just leads to people feeling bad

[hot void]

i suck at hk

[rustic salmon]

i mean they are, but leaving hk for good isnt very easy

[flat vigil]

Hk is fun

[hot void]

dude i barley play it

[compact wasp]

I do want to go back to celeste though

i keep forgetting to start sj's download

[hot void]

i played 30 min of celeste and quit

[compact wasp]

should probably do that

[rustic salmon]

ur in hk discord saying to ppl that you could do p5ab but dont wanna

ur most definitely deep in the rabbithole

[hot void]

no

i havwnt touched

[compact wasp]

honestly i would say insecure as hell too

[hot void]

hk since december

[rustic salmon]

celeste is almazing

[compact wasp]

someone who wants to think they are good but can't convince themselves

[hot void]

bro what?

[compact wasp]

so wants to state their opinion everywhere to feel valuable

[hot void]

i'm not good at hk

like what

i'm avg

maybe a bit over

[vernal knot]

Hello everyone

[rustic salmon]

this is getting kinda weird

[compact wasp]

hello mega

[rustic salmon]

helo

[hot void]

most impressive thing ive done is a 4 51 112 apb

[compact wasp]

ye for sure

[vernal knot]

what does this mean

[compact wasp]

anyways let me start sj's download too

everest is just sitting there lol

[tropic nest]

112 all pantheon bosses in 4h51m

[hot void]

getting 112% unlocking zote and doing p5 in 4h 51m

[rustic salmon]

youve finished base game than?

[compact wasp]

ye

[rustic salmon]

helo

[compact wasp]

I do want to redo 202 though

like that is something I really really want to do

but fwg is going to be tough as bricks

[rustic salmon]

i feel left in the dust

[foggy sable]

running 112 sounds fun

[formal ridge]

mrrrrrp

[rustic salmon]

i wanna do 202 sometime

[sweet blaze]

true

[compact wasp]

we can start together

[foggy sable]

different pfp?

[sweet blaze]

actually not true i dont really care to,,,

[compact wasp]

I mean I want to actually play expert lobby

[hot void]

it is until you meet flukemarm 1h into the run with base nail

[rustic salmon]

thats gonna make me shatter man

lmao

[formal ridge]

yep

[foggy sable]

don't you have shade soul though

[formal ridge]

isnt she so silly

[foggy sable]

so it becomes fine

[hot void]

bro flukemarm and sanctum hell room have thrown so many of my runs

[hot void]

it is not enough

[compact wasp]

how's shade soul not enough?

[haughty edge]

hi

[sweet blaze]

how many do you have already anyway

[hot void]

if you miss it's over and you gotta go fast

[foggy sable]

do you have DDark?

[formal ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228981818485768283/1399560317859528746/12892816_94ec9.gif

[hot void]

yea

[rustic salmon]

im barely like expert lvl, and that when i played celeste, ive been grinding hk for a bit now

[foggy sable]

then it is easy surely

[hot void]

but flukes yk respawn when they die

[compact wasp]

same here

I am really rusty in celeste

[sweet blaze]

guh some day i'll finish sj,,,

[hot void]

no cus some flukes are in the air too

and if you miss one

[rustic salmon]

a few, i went to sj after trying the easy ones

[hot void]

it's ggs

[sweet blaze]

i remember i did pk then couple other easier experts then like never played again,,,

[foggy sable]

secondary shockwave basically acts as a shield

[hot void]

yes but after youll get swarmed with 0 soul left

[sweet blaze]

i think adv lobby kinda made me sad

[sudden osprey]

I’ve done half of the advanced lobby
Then my absolute terrible controller technique made my hand hurt

[foggy sable]

I've done nail 0 vs and dive and that was mostly fine

it did take getting used to though

[sweet blaze]

bvd and txvii,,,

[sudden osprey]

So I doubt I’m ever pushing it much further than that

[hot void]

im not talking about the boss flukemarm

[sweet blaze]

and that one puzzle map as well

[rustic salmon]

i enjoy clears more than goldens tbh, but getting the modded goldens on your golden list acc feels nice

[hot void]

the way to flukemarm is the hard part bro

[sweet blaze]

man that puzzle map really pissed me off

[sonic remnant]

“Something ominous”
-a person who has to leave literally right now but has an excuse to do something first

[sudden osprey]

Hmm lost wood ?

[sweet blaze]

yeah

[sudden osprey]

It’s peam

[sweet blaze]

i didnt get it at all 💔