hk-discussion

[sullen glacier]

we cant do the other ones i forgor the name slopeballs i think

[compact wasp]

but every other skip works

[quartz cave]

hi i js woke up wbu

[worthy peak]

that is included in going through walls

[bitter jolt]

doing fine thx

[worthy peak]

im looking for like differences preventing doublehits mainly

[sullen glacier]

so just shadesoul has more dmg and goes thru walls thats it i guess

[empty lynx]

Vs doesn't go off screen as long as shade soul does

that's one key difference I noticed

[worthy peak]

shade soul fires further?

that is interesting

[empty lynx]

as soon as vspirit is out of screen it's essentially just gone

[sullen glacier]

im pretty sure

[empty lynx]

it has a very short distance off screen and that's it

I noticed that sometimes when i fire vspirit it didn't even hit staggered gpz at all

[sullen glacier]

gpz>?

[empty lynx]

Glands persuer zote

[thorn ruin]

@quartz cave good afternoon

[empty lynx]

@quartz cave bing

[sullen glacier]

what the fuck

[quartz cave]

afternoon

[quartz cave]

@empty lynx bingy

[shrewd nymph]

Is shade soul bigger than vs

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-larp-larp-larp-sahur-sahur-larp-larping-gif-18307483096237429166

[shrewd nymph]

Do i know you

[sullen glacier]

idtso its the same size

[quartz cave]

no im new here

[tawdry bolt]

speed and hitbox are also different which makes easier double hit I think

[foggy sable]

DONE

[subtle glacier]

it has the same timer, but shade soul moves faster

[foggy sable]

what a stupid fight

[subtle glacier]

gg!!!

[foggy sable]

tyyy

[thorn ruin]

@foggy sable

[compact wasp]

gg

[foggy sable]

hiiiii zl

I was so nervous

[thorn ruin]

Hello

What did you do

[foggy sable]

1 nail damage itemless radiant marmu

[thorn ruin]

GGs

1 dmg

[worthy peak]

Congrats!!!

[foggy sable]

ty!

it is such a bad fight

[worthy peak]

if shade soul moves faster why is it easier to double hit with...

[subtle glacier]

kinda depends on what you're doubling i think

[worthy peak]

i cannot understand why you delight in torturing yourself

[foggy sable]

well

there are no more marmu challenges left

1 nail damage itelmess is as hard as it gets for a fight

which means I never have to do another marmu challenge

because hopefully I stop losing to her in r5ab

[worthy peak]

half damage

:D

[shrewd nymph]

no moving

glhf

[worthy peak]

I have confidence in this truth.

[foggy sable]

also now I can say marmu is a garbage rng fight

what a badly designed fight

[sullen glacier]

cant we just ddark the shit out of it

[shrewd nymph]

Soul binding

[subtle glacier]

hkmain never changes

[worthy peak]

ive nevver understood this mentality. like do i just use ddark badly in general. I find if I ddark without worrying about timing or how im going to get out i just get hit at then end of iframes...

or at the start occasionally

[foggy sable]

I should make a list of all the bugs and oddities in the fight

[sullen glacier]

timing it is important but not that important, if you use ddark at anypoitn of time you can easily just get an free hit or get out of the hitboxes in that iframe time, thats how i use it generally

[worthy peak]

Please do. I need more evidence marmu is bad but i dont want t oactually fight marmu cause its marmu

[hallow kettle]

Is this mamu in your name

The green bug

[foggy sable]

my favourite is marmu bounces into a corner then travels at ground level on the ground ignoring knockback

accelerating to rapid speeds

[hallow kettle]

Marmu is cute

[compact wasp]

girl quantum tunnels into you

[hallow kettle]

I love his desitn

[worthy peak]

you say easily but I cant do it easily. Often find myself dashing or jumping when i simply cant make it out of the enemy hitbox like that cause too tall + shockwave moves same direction as dash

[hallow kettle]

But marmu is fast

But marmu is fun to bounce

But marmu sometimes go super speed

[foggy sable]

if you hit marmu into a wall from too close she can be deflected downwards directly into you

[compact wasp]

yeah I have had that happen

[foggy sable]

but from slightly further away will bounce upwards

[compact wasp]

taht's why doing her ascended took me like 3 hours

[hallow kettle]

Marmu is a she?

[worthy peak]

maybe id find ddark better if it didnt cover so much of the screen...

[compact wasp]

you can turn off screen shake

that helped me personally

[sullen glacier]

i was saying generally for marmu cuz it knocks marmu back, it still needs to be timed imo , i generally use it when the enemy is moving while coming to me

[foggy sable]

sometimes upon hitting a wall she will speed up sometimes she will slow down

[hallow kettle]

Marmu sometimes gets hit with ddark

Marmu sometimes is easy with abyss shriek

[worthy peak]

Maybe. But like the problem is i literally cant see telegraphs

[compact wasp]

then that's not a ddark problem

[hallow kettle]

But marmu can go supersonic speed if it didnt work

[worthy peak]

or where enemies are cause thers a load of black there

[foggy sable]

she can switch into a no knockback state while travelling and ignore nail knockback when she is about to teleport

[compact wasp]

you can hear it though

[hallow kettle]

Marmu can do that?

[compact wasp]

like every single enemy does make a sound when they are doing a telegraph. That lets me guess what they are going to do

[worthy peak]

I do not know sound telegraphs

[hallow kettle]

Marmu wasnt defeated by myself in radiant

[worthy peak]

and it sounds like a whole lot too much effort to learn them

[compact wasp]

go ahead. Do it :3

[hallow kettle]

Marmu's opness is not known by myself

[sullen glacier]

i defeated marmu as my first radiant 😭

[hallow kettle]

Marmu allowed me to have nearly all my first row in radiant

[foggy sable]

yes, expecially prominent if you mostly upslash

which is why I like a mostly sideslash strat

[hallow kettle]

Can marmu dodge great slash

Also I always thought marmu was genderless

To the player to decide

Is she confirmed to be a she

[foggy sable]

the wiki says so and I believe

[worthy peak]

why is markoths hitbox so wierd

keeps dodging dive...

[compact wasp]

I think now I do understand what my issue with markoth is though

[sullen glacier]

i used nail masters glory along side sharpdart and long nail and mark of pride

[compact wasp]

not really rng

[hallow kettle]

Markoth is my only boss done only at att7ned

I will never know how to beat him without luck

[compact wasp]

anyways

[compact wasp]

grey how do you reliably mix in attacks with markoth?

dodging him is no issue, but attacking him is kinda ruining my sense of positioning and rhythm

[foggy sable]

what do you mean by that?

wait I think I understand

so I like to play very close to markoth now, using great slash when he moves towards me or has the shield on the other side

I only attack when the sword spawn is targetted

because then I have time until the next one

but that is the result of a lot of practice

[compact wasp]

but then what about second phase where by the time the great slash ends, the second sword is mid spawn positioning?

[foggy sable]

you can do p5ab just with dash slash and capitalising on shield spins

[compact wasp]

also I will kinda say what I think about the swords and tell me if I am right. In the first phase, the next sword will spawn only when the first one has disappeared right?

it looks like that is the case

[foggy sable]

didn't mean to reply to that message

[foggy sable]

I don't really know

the fight timings are all done by feel now for me

[compact wasp]

so like zote and absrad

[foggy sable]

pretty much

[bold belfry]

any1 here use custom knight?

[foggy sable]

this is a recorded a while ago but I was at the time running p5ab low hits so it is good enough demonstration of markoth great slashes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVB0q4diwfc

I did sort of suck at great slash spacing back then though so

[bold belfry]

should i try colos 3?

[foggy sable]

probably

[tawdry bolt]

I thought they appear after the previous one had passed halfway

[sullen glacier]

your yt?

[compact wasp]

that's second phase

[foggy sable]

probably given it has the same name

[compact wasp]

first phase is when the previous one disappears

[foggy sable]

basically phase 1 you have so much time to do things

[compact wasp]

but this makes markoth a lot easier

except second phase

there are a lot of situations in second phase where I just feel stuck

[tawdry bolt]

Idk I’m pretty sure they can appear before the previous one disappeared in first phase

[foggy sable]

if you hear one spawn in you probably shouldn't great slash basically

[worthy peak]

Cyclone instead

:D

[foggy sable]

also, behold, the thing I've been complaining about for 3 days
https://youtu.be/ktiAWGwOaCA

it is such a bad and annoying challenge

but I do understand the fight more now

[tawdry bolt]

10min holy

[foggy sable]

shorter than I would expect tbh

[sullen glacier]

subbed

[foggy sable]

also it is now in the recording bank for if I need to explain marmu now

which is nice

[compact wasp]

lol first phase is consistent hitless then second phase just obliterates me

[foggy sable]

that is just markoth things

[zinc iris]

Ggs

[foggy sable]

tyy!

[sullen glacier]

legendry

[compact wasp]

so would you recommend for now I should literally just use the dash slash strat?

cuz great slash is kinda overwhelming

[foggy sable]

for now get comfortable with just the dash slash

when you feel comfortable in the fight add things

[wind garnet]

@verbal pasture

[foggy sable]

was pinged about the 394 dmg pb yesterday

[bold belfry]

yall use custom knight?

[foggy sable]

yes why

[wind garnet]

Naw

[bold belfry]

what skin u use?

[wind garnet]

I don’t like a super changed skin

[foggy sable]

mostly bow knight, spring, summer, and winter

[wind garnet]

summer

[foggy sable]

I mostly used winter for low equipment but the skin broke for me and I'm too lazy to fix

[wind garnet]

I think clicking reload skins should work

[foggy sable]

maybe

[bold belfry]

whitch skin should i use?

i like all of them equaly so i want ur guyses apinions

[agile pewter]

they all suck use Little Grimm

[bold belfry]

ok

[agile pewter]

[bold belfry]

wait theyre all bad?

even little grimm

[agile pewter]

no they're good

Little grimm is just exceptional

[bold belfry]

fair

i use him now

[agile pewter]

and no, not the little grimm iin the image

[bold belfry]

wdym

[tacit spear]

Hi Leon hk ^_^

[tacit spear]

Little grimm is a amazing skin ^_^

[tacit spear]

I would say painter but it's up to you ^_^

[shrewd nymph]

Angel knight

[bold belfry]

can i use my little grimm cus i dont wana have 2 dowload another

[agile pewter]

sure :|

[shrewd nymph]

Thats the skin that one hk youtuber uses iirc

[tacit spear]

Leon what's your second favorite skin?

[agile pewter]

smolaire

iit goes along with pv reskin into knight astorias, and thats pretty cool

[bold belfry]

what do i do

[bright delta]

I let him live in my first playthrough. Your choice determines his fate.

[tacit spear]

Spell ^_^

[bold belfry]

wdym spell

[agile pewter]

spell ^_^

[bold belfry]

i dont wana murder him

[bright delta]

What charm setups is best for radiance? Im a returning player after not playing for 6 months

[bold belfry]

do u have all charms?

[bright delta]

Im missing the unbreakable charms and a couple

[bold belfry]

the 1 i used is unbrakable heart unbrakable streaghth quick slash and shaman

if u want

[bright delta]

Time to grind geo then

[bold belfry]

go 2 hoppers or colos

[agile pewter]

please dont upgrade them, you dont really need them

by the time you get to godhome, they defo wont break anyway

[bold belfry]

well radence breaks them if u die

whats the best build for nkg

[bright delta]

I made the mistake on my first file to upgrade my nail. I feel like starting a fresh file by not doing so.

[bold belfry]

what best 4 nkg

[agile pewter]

...and how is upgrading the nail bad for you?

[bright delta]

Does it not give a small hp inflation?

[hushed totem]

So like, i remember seeing a sprite where the stage is asleep and exhausted, can anyone explain that?

[agile pewter]

i mean yeah, but your nail is upgraded?

[bright delta]

Yeah

[agile pewter]

is it a max level nail?

liike,, pure naiil?

[bright delta]

Yes

[agile pewter]

then wtf are you fearing lmao

[bright delta]

Skill issues

Because the radiance keeps whooping my ah.

[agile pewter]

also i think radiance has fixed hp actually

i think.

[bright delta]

Then its definitely a skill issue on my behalf 😭

[candid wedge]

She has more HP on radiant difficulty. That's the only time her HP is altered I think

[foggy sable]

absrad has the same hp on all difficulties

[agile pewter]

radiance.

the not absrad one.

[candid wedge]

Ah true

[agile pewter]

since 2 notches go to grimmchild, ig the rest goes to qs strength heart and sbody

[bold belfry]

no shaman

[agile pewter]

or qs strength shaman, but id prefer half nail half survival

[bold belfry]

?

ok

will u put up a link for little grimm?

[agile pewter]

its in the doc lmao
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qKfOtOXpYormusD05I700P8d79E74R1bTb3MP4vum-E/edit?tab=t.0

[bold belfry]

i alr have that up idk where grimm is on it tho

nvm

it sent me 2 a discord?

[agile pewter]

oh yea

[bold belfry]

what i click?

[agile pewter]

aare you in the hk modding server?

[bold belfry]

yh

what i click?

[noble ruin]

Nuh uh

[bold belfry]

witch 1 tho theres 3

[agile pewter]

first 1

alr imma log off

[thorn ruin]

1st link is skin
2nd link is hp bar
3rd link is video

[noble ruin]

It only gives the hp increase to dream warriors and a very small increase to some other random bosses like watcher knights and stuff. As long as you're not doing a 90% spell build for damage and are struggling super hard on a dream warrior there's no reason to worry

[bold belfry]

what dose the hpbar do?

[noble ruin]

Mod that gives bosses a hp bar

[thorn ruin]

Shows how much health enemies have

[bold belfry]

i alr have 1

[noble ruin]

Oh yeah enemies too

[empty lynx]

It's usually pretty insignificant
also, upgrading your nail doesn't matter in godhome anyway

[candid wedge]

I double checked and yeah I was wrong 🥀

[thorn ruin]

Think it changes how it looks

[bold belfry]

o ok im good

[empty lynx]

All the bosses have set health pools in godhome

[bright delta]

Ah ok. Ive failed 32 times against radiance but beat all the dream bosses 1st try

[candid wedge]

She does feel tankier in Radiant mode though maybe I was tweaking

[empty lynx]

Radiant doesn't have more hp wtf

[noble ruin]

Yeah radiance you just want max upgrades for basically

[bold belfry]

im so ready

[candid wedge]

Me when I just admitted I was wrong

[noble ruin]

Already corrected himself

[empty lynx]

Radiant absrad i mean

oh 'kay

[empty lynx]

gim standing on thin air by sheer aura

[noble ruin]

Usually you play much safer in radiant mode cause she's scary to chase so it takes longer

[candid wedge]

Yee true

Took me a while to get her

[empty lynx]

Might be because almost all the other bosses get an hp boost
Only a handful don't

[noble ruin]

Like the safest Strat for a first time radiant kill in platform phase is to just sit at the bottom and wait for her to get close

[candid wedge]

Grimm and PV do right?

[empty lynx]

Like grey prince zote and some other randos i forgot

[candid wedge]

I forget

[candid wedge]

Grimm as in NKG

[empty lynx]

they do get an hp boost

both grimm and nkg

[candid wedge]

NKG remains as my favourite fight in the game

[merry storm]

True

[empty lynx]

that's nice enjoy it while it lasts

[merry storm]

But I miss only Markoth on radiant

[bold belfry]

annnnnndddd im dead

[merry storm]

Any tips?

[raw sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cecesrhaccc1-on-tiktok-cecesrhaccc1-wave-wave-cat-cecesgif-gif-3519480851846766777

[empty lynx]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dMk4YLi9DaXfh0xdGqXM2BnYhg_RgaPk5tkZv-xmfKs/edit?tab=t.0

Ain't got time for allat

[bold belfry]

i hate this boss

[stone mural]

isnt ravioli from italy

[noble ruin]

Just nail arts for first phase and shade soul spam for second trying to get double hits from shaman stone

[candid wedge]

It's a type of pasta, yes

[noble ruin]

Heavy blow has sometimes been used along with nail arts to make it safer as well

[merry storm]

I suck at nail arts

[merry storm]

Btw thanks

[bold belfry]

any tips for NKG

[stone mural]

try not to die

[bold belfry]

???

[noble ruin]

Ehh then you can try mark of pride and trying to do most of your damage during the shield spin

[bold belfry]

i didnt think of that wow

[empty lynx]

They are possibly the best strategy for markoth
But you can try alternatives like clover said

[noble ruin]

Spamming down second phase with spells is still best method

[merry storm]

I see

[subtle glacier]

ggg shade skip is kicking my ass

[indigo grail]

Stutter step for flame pillars, circle jump for pufferfish

[noble ruin]

Also do not go on the left wall

[zealous skiff]

@tulip narwhal im bored hop in like 10-15 surely

[noble ruin]

Projectiles can spawn inside of it for some reason

[merry storm]

Why

[bold belfry]

stutter step?

[noble ruin]

You can't see them

[shrewd nymph]

Gpz absrad mawlek white defender

[bold belfry]

what dat

[noble ruin]

The right wall is safe

[tulip narwhal]

sure

[merry storm]

... that does not make sense

[shrewd nymph]

Tap the movement key in that direction, stuttering forward

[noble ruin]

Step stop step stop

[empty lynx]

His nails can spawn off screen specifically on the left side

[bold belfry]

ok

[merry storm]

Mmm ok

[noble ruin]

Yeah it's weird

[empty lynx]

and that usually happens if you are on the left wall

[noble ruin]

Also try not to be falling he can sometimes just spawn a nail below you

[shrewd nymph]

Stalwart shell

[noble ruin]

Stalwart shell for regular radiance is interesting

[empty lynx]

ts dude genuinely said stalwart shell

[wind garnet]

hey my goat

[bold belfry]

wow ss?

[shrewd nymph]

ts ≠ this

[empty lynx]

This shitty

[indigo grail]

Moving erratically forward (ideally towards NKG, AWAY FROM THE WALL), stopping and starting very quickly over and over until the attack ends

[stone mural]

i was tryna get dream no more :v

[bold belfry]

i alr have dnm

[noble ruin]

Stalwart is slept on but NOT for radiance

[empty lynx]

take that ts ≠ this losers

[shrewd nymph]

You get wr earlier?

[wind garnet]

Yuh

[shrewd nymph]

Which one

[stone mural]

he said the same thing for trial of the fool

[wind garnet]

The easy one

[noble ruin]

Stalwart is actually really bad for radiance because if you get hit and then fall in the void, there's a glitch where you'll have no IFrames and can just be hit again instantly after respawning

[bold belfry]

i have a quistion! what charm woukd u not use even if it was 0 notches

[shrewd nymph]

guh

[noble ruin]

Just 5 damage cause fuck you

[shrewd nymph]

Glowing womb

[empty lynx]

I mean
Maybe
But not at all for radiance.
It's just a decent charm at best too

[bold belfry]

fiar

[shrewd nymph]

sshadow and thorns as well

[wind garnet]

Attpv

[noble ruin]

Thorns

[shrewd nymph]

ggs

[stone mural]

true enough, i suppose

[noble ruin]

Jonis

[bold belfry]

ig

[shrewd nymph]

i popped in right as you ended the stream

[noble ruin]

Sharp shadow probably

[empty lynx]

Easily heavy blow for most bosses

[noble ruin]

Id probably use womb

[bold belfry]

yhh

[shrewd nymph]

Heavy blow for most would be fine tbh

its like 50-50

[noble ruin]

Heavy blow for bosses is fine

[wind garnet]

yeah i saw

[empty lynx]

Iam thinking bosses like hive knight

[noble ruin]

For enemies no I wouldn't

[shrewd nymph]

Does he take kb?

[noble ruin]

Well like most bosses don't even take kb so no downside

[shrewd nymph]

guh been too long

[noble ruin]

Most that do heavy blow is good for

[bold belfry]

who wana watch me suffer on nkg

[wind garnet]

i streamed on a whim and 4 mins into the stream i get 8.55 pv

[shrewd nymph]

What was prev

[wind garnet]

8.77

[noble ruin]

It's rly funny how hated heavy blow in HK is but reaper crest which has heavy blow built into it was like the most used crest in silksong when it released

[shrewd nymph]

oh nice

most used but also the worst

[noble ruin]

Probably yeah

[empty lynx]

Which is funnier because reaper's ass too

[bold belfry]

hb is good if u pair it with fluke nest

[merry storm]

It's true but I usually used wanderer

[shrewd nymph]

|| people just used the first normal pogo they could find||

[shrewd nymph]

why

[bold belfry]

1 min

[subtle glacier]

i was hunter main start to finish

[steel slate]

realization that hallownest was probably better dead than alive

[noble ruin]

Reaper isn't bad cause of the kB tbf it's just because it's so damn slow and it's unique thing isn't that amazing

[shrewd nymph]

Its the speed yh

[wind garnet]

omg i think i have a missed slash

https://tenor.com/view/cat-reaction-michi-triste-crying-cat-reaction-sad-cat-hannicion-gif-17190162121303461099

[noble ruin]

Me

[bold belfry]

u push them enmy/boss back in2 the flukes

[steel slate]

the pale king can see into the future

[wind garnet]

nvm

we good

[shrewd nymph]

if ur speedrunning then its better off just using better charms though no

Aka fury qslash strength sbody

[steel slate]

and when he figured radiance was going to destroy hallownest he saw no foreseeable future where they survive

[raw sonnet]

hi

[steel slate]

sup

[noble ruin]

Yes

[raw sonnet]

How are ya

[noble ruin]

Depends on the boss maybe?

[subtle glacier]

bro said quickslash in the same sentence as speedrunning

[steel slate]

and which so there would be no reason keeping hallownest alive

[shrewd nymph]

Speedkills gng yk what i mean

[noble ruin]

Like if you're doing a singular boss maybe heavy blow is better?

[steel slate]

school

[shrewd nymph]

Overworld is a separate game

[noble ruin]

Idk what you'd take out for it tho

[raw sonnet]

Sad

[steel slate]

aware of it

[bold belfry]

o hi choombert i got it working (da mods) thx

[shrewd nymph]

W choom

[noble ruin]

Like 90% sure the answer is no btw but maybe idk

[bold belfry]

yh w choom

[steel slate]

i dislike how people underestimate steady body

[zealous skiff]

🦦

[steel slate]

it actually shreds through a lot of bosses

[raw sonnet]

Its op

[steel slate]

and it’s a good charm

you simply attack and move forward

[raw sonnet]

Really good for 1 notch imo

[shrewd nymph]

Would be good for 2 tbh

[bold belfry]

wa hoo 1st time getting 2 ballon phase on nkg

[steel slate]

oo

[raw sonnet]

Nice

[noble ruin]

Id use it for 3 cause I crutch so hard

[bold belfry]

tysm

[shrewd nymph]

3 is crazy but i lwk respect it

[subtle glacier]

i would use dashmaster for 3

[shrewd nymph]

i fw sbody even w/o qslash

[zealous skiff]

i would just not use qslash

[raw sonnet]

Ima try silksong now ima take break from hk I did too many stuff in there

I never changed my charm set 😭

[subtle glacier]

i would use wielder for 2

[noble ruin]

I don't think it's worth a 3 since no core 3 without overcharming but I don't need to take singular damage anyway

[zealous skiff]

qs + sbody = 1 broken 4 notch charm for me

[steel slate]

i dislike when people use quick slash

[zealous skiff]

@tulip narwhal

[raw sonnet]

Mop

[steel slate]

i understand it's a AMAZING charm

[shrewd nymph]

mop is just an oc charm

[steel slate]

but it's not worth it

[shrewd nymph]

Huh

[subtle glacier]

based overworld grindset

[noble ruin]

Mop is MID

[steel slate]

plus it can actually make fighting difficult

[raw sonnet]

Mop and sb is overpowered too

[zealous skiff]

honestly id take sbody over mop

[foggy sable]

I'm a qs hater for unrelated reasons

[shrewd nymph]

mop isnt overpowered its just good

[zealous skiff]

if sbody was 3

[bold belfry]

2st time getting to bat phase

[steel slate]

it’s located in a endgame area

[merry storm]

On fights like the Radiance yes tho

[shrewd nymph]

Stagger but ggs

[noble ruin]

Same

[bold belfry]

wdym

[steel slate]

you have at least 30 hours of playtime when you get it

[shrewd nymph]

oh guh if we're going off obtainment its too weird

[noble ruin]

Elegy is best charm

[shrewd nymph]

Bat 'phase' is just a stagger

not a phase. Puffer is the 'phase'

[zealous skiff]

people who play with mop and no sbody end up walking within normal attack range of the boss/enmemy anyway

[noble ruin]

Yeah counting progress by counting bats is a bad idea

[steel slate]

and then it's just too overrated

[zealous skiff]

so like atp just use sbody instead

[shrewd nymph]

Which happens at 75 50 25 % or 57 38 19 %

[zealous skiff]

effectively the same range but like better

[noble ruin]

? What's the second set?

[bold belfry]

im so bad at the game

[shrewd nymph]

Asc/rad

[noble ruin]

Oh ok didn't know that

Ig I've only rly fought them both once or twice

[steel slate]

when you only attack 64% faster

[shrewd nymph]

i always thought i was imagining first puffer taking ages

[noble ruin]

It's like 48% faster

[zealous skiff]

"only"

[shrewd nymph]

Was very relieved to know otherwise

[steel slate]

(why am i saying only 64 is insane)

[shrewd nymph]

Qslash is like eater soul + strength dmg

just harder to use

[tired juniper]

Btw is it possible to get to isma's tear without crystal heart?

[noble ruin]

48% is also 48% faster staggers and 48% faster soul generation if you can hit consistently

[steel slate]

yes

[noble ruin]

Yeah

[subtle glacier]

there are a few ways

[tulip narwhal]

@zealous skiff

[steel slate]

through a cave skip

[tired juniper]

Discovering new skips everyday in this randomizer

[noble ruin]

Cave?

[steel slate]

and you need to do a vengeful skip AGAIN

[bold belfry]

noooo

[steel slate]

i call it the cave of death skip

[shrewd nymph]

spooky

[subtle glacier]

it’s either ggg shade skip with dung defender lever or mag isma’s

dgate make both better

[steel slate]

it's the cramped spikes

[subtle glacier]

or ig if you somehow have dd lever AND wings you’re just chilling

[noble ruin]

Mag?

[steel slate]

you can go through them at one point if you vengeful skip

[bold belfry]

that ez skip

just c dash

[noble ruin]

Oh that silly thing

[tired juniper]

That looks so fucking hard

[noble ruin]

What does that even skip btw idr

[subtle glacier]

cdash

[noble ruin]

Woaw so crazy

[bold belfry]

yh

[subtle glacier]

dung defender*

[bold belfry]

y not

[noble ruin]

Yeah ok thought so

[steel slate]

we're talking about if you haven’t obtained cdash

[bold belfry]

o

[steel slate]

that's the entire point of it

i remember watching skurry struggle to do it

[subtle glacier]

minimum equipment for isma’s is hard to quantify but if you have one vertical movement ability you should have a way

[wind garnet]

chompy wompy

[noble ruin]

I could do that within 500 hours

[wind garnet]

choom

[steel slate]

anyone could

[subtle glacier]

took me about 2, it’s not so bad

[steel slate]

500 hours is over 4 weeks

[noble ruin]

I've done queens station FB skip I assume the FB part is the same difficulty

[subtle glacier]

definitely not

[steel slate]

4 weeks of non-stop gameplay could get you to p5

[subtle glacier]

mag isma’s turnarounds are actually brutal

[noble ruin]

That's fun

[shrewd nymph]

p5 is like far less than i was expecting to hear

[steel slate]

no

[steel slate]

it’s nonstop

you play everyday and night

[shrewd nymph]

well assuming you dont like die of exhaustion

[noble ruin]

Yeah I'm genuinely terrible at those turnarounds I doubt I could do it before I give jp

[shrewd nymph]

p5 would be like the bare minimum

[noble ruin]

I can't even do regular FB skips consistently

[foggy sable]

4 weeks of nonstop gameplay to finally enjoy galien imo

[steel slate]

you could probably get 112% in a later patch if you did it

[dry narwhal]

whats fb skip

[noble ruin]

Fireball

[subtle glacier]

good initial dash height 3 good turnarounds and a very tight walljump input

[steel slate]

like before lifeblood update

[noble ruin]

Using vengeful spirits for a bit of distance from the pushback and the air stall

[shrewd nymph]

4 weeks straight is over triple my hours like p5ab would be more reasonable than p5

[subtle glacier]

dash slash and twister also help

[noble ruin]

P5ab in 500 is very doable

[shrewd nymph]

i do hear

[steel slate]

simply a estimation

[noble ruin]

I did any rad and p5ab by like 300 hours

[shrewd nymph]

nice

[foggy sable]

anybad

[steel slate]

that’s concerning

[foggy sable]

sorry I couldn't help it

[noble ruin]

Haters can't stop hating

[shrewd nymph]

?

[steel slate]

you played for 300 hours nonstop? /jk

[noble ruin]

Yeah for sure

[foggy sable]

haters hate anybad for good reason

[wind garnet]

1.0 is bad

[shrewd nymph]

300 hours nonstop is nothing for true hk masochists

[noble ruin]

2.0 is WORSE

[steel slate]

hm..

[shrewd nymph]

okay yeah deleting my account

[wind garnet]

2.0 is cinema

[steel slate]

well it depends

[shrewd nymph]

the suscat of evil lies

[noble ruin]

2.0 has more BS

[foggy sable]

stockholm syndrome

[wind garnet]

nahh 2.0s gp is lowkey insane

[bold belfry]

o yh my friend was fighting nkg and he likes 2 focus on the baloon phase

[wind garnet]

the skill ceiling is crazy

[shrewd nymph]

Like bottom 2 attacks 😭

[noble ruin]

I remember when anyrad 2.0 was called the hardest boss ever by fireborn

[shrewd nymph]

To heal on

[noble ruin]

That was funny

[shrewd nymph]

insert r5ab^2 fireborn screenshot

[wind garnet]

whats the screenshot

[foggy sable]

skill ceiling on itemless is insane but that doesn't mean it is fun

[shrewd nymph]

uh i'll see if i can get it

[noble ruin]

Id be surprised if he genuinely couldn't beat p5ab within like 5 attempts

[wind garnet]

nah thats way more limited imo

[shrewd nymph]

R5ab context

[noble ruin]

The skill ceiling on absrad even is already very high

[noble ruin]

That's so funny

[wind garnet]

downloading that

[shrewd nymph]

Nerf fireborn smh

[noble ruin]

Also did someone actually do it back to back?

[subtle glacier]

yeah

[wind garnet]

te ano

[noble ruin]

Wjlff?

[shrewd nymph]

Teano

[foggy sable]

several people did by now

[noble ruin]

Oh teano that makes sense

[wind garnet]

my goat vanished

blockay

[naive dew]

@noble ruin @noble ruin @wind garnet @wind garnet @foggy sable @foggy sable @shrewd nymph @shrewd nymph

[shrewd nymph]

guh

[foggy sable]

@naive dew @naive dew

[naive dew]

Hiiii

[noble ruin]

I'ma be so for real I didn't even recognise suscar I thought it was just some nerd

[shrewd nymph]

💀 💀 💀

[noble ruin]

Gm

[shrewd nymph]

kinda not wrong tbh

[noble ruin]

Yeah true

[wind garnet]

[shrewd nymph]

All love

[naive dew]

Hiii clober

[noble ruin]

Hru bocchi

[shrewd nymph]

melone have you finally stopped doing r5

[naive dew]

Ist so

[noble ruin]

Melone is doing hitless 112 now

[shrewd nymph]

good man

[naive dew]

Idt so

[noble ruin]

He will beat it tomorrow

[shrewd nymph]

Buh

[naive dew]

Yeah

[shrewd nymph]

why do it again?

[noble ruin]

I wonder if I still have that save

[shrewd nymph]

Hitless 112 doesnt need a reclear

[naive dew]

I dont leave anything unfinished

[noble ruin]

I think I deleted it cause I forgot I was doing it

[naive dew]

True i forgot i did it sorry

[naive dew]

Decent wbu

[shrewd nymph]

its okay i'll forgive you sometime this week

[noble ruin]

I got like 1/3 through with 26 hits though so I don't think I'd get sub 100

[noble ruin]

I'm okay ig

[naive dew]

Can it be now

[naive dew]

My sub 50 was so funny

[shrewd nymph]

I'll check with my advisor

[naive dew]

I had 30 hits going into pantheons then i was STUPID

[noble ruin]

Oh you got sub 50 already?

[naive dew]

Yeah

[noble ruin]

Woaw

[naive dew]

Ige done 2 runs with 0 practice

[shrewd nymph]

i think my 112apb hit pb is in the thousands

am i goated or what

[naive dew]

Ur my goat

[shrewd nymph]

Ty

[noble ruin]

I wonder how many hits I take in an average playthrough

[naive dew]

Yeah, i likely wont focus r5 as i want to focus on 112 hitless

[noble ruin]

Probably like 500

[shrewd nymph]

r5 is boring dont do it

[naive dew]

Ill still do it

[shrewd nymph]

buh

[naive dew]

Since i have a 1 hit to absrad plats and as said i dont leave anything unfinished

But 112 hitless is gonna be the focus

[noble ruin]

112 kinda sucks cause you get a bit close but you'll probably never finish it

[shrewd nymph]

i still have ptsd from losing 3 consecutive r5's to galien

[bold belfry]

i know y i can beat nkg

hes mad im imporsonating him

[noble ruin]

Don't leave anything unfinished until you find out the 2 hit 112 curse exists

[shrewd nymph]

Gn leon

[bold belfry]

i must change skin

wdym gn

[subtle glacier]

lune should run ghostbusters so they can get revenge on galien imo

[noble ruin]

Has eloki got a 1 hit yet

[shrewd nymph]

wait true

im lwk going for sub 300 hour r5ab tmrw trust

galien revenge incoming

[naive dew]

I didnt intend to get hitless as opposed to just getting a low hit

Like sub 10

I may run back another run today, as i have a lot of free time today when im bsck from school

[noble ruin]

I have soooo much free time I could easily do rly hard stuff time wise but I just have so little dedication to stuff

Like I feel like if I don't get stuff within 10 attempts I SUCK and I just drop it

[naive dew]

My issue is i could easily do rly hard stuff AND have dedication however im a bit too committed to osu and achievement grinding

[noble ruin]

KILLS osu

[dry creek]

gm guys

[subtle glacier]

bingy tho

have we considered

[compact wasp]

Half of us do it solely because it's fun though. Willpower is a lie

[naive dew]

No please its the only game im good at

[bold belfry]

wahoo 1st time getting 2 2nd balloon phase!!!

[compact wasp]

Ayy congrats

[noble ruin]

Bingy is stressful

[shrewd nymph]

ggs

[noble ruin]

Anyrad was fun for me it's like the only hard thing I was able to do

Everything else feels boring or annoying

Radiant anyrad wasn't as fun but that was more cause I was racing for 10th in the world against someone which is where my drive came from

[shrewd nymph]

Eww anyrad

[noble ruin]

And it didn't take nearly as long

[cobalt crypt]

True 100% hitless when

[noble ruin]

Have I ever seen you before am I dumb

[cobalt crypt]

Idk you tell me

[noble ruin]

Ig not we just have a lot of mutuals and Ive been here for like 3 years

[shrewd nymph]

smt smt aubergine parmesan

[noble ruin]

I hate parmesan

[naive dew]

Boring 112 is atleast fun

[shrewd nymph]

Loud incorrect buzzer

[foggy sable]

anyone who changes both their pfp and username at the same time is untrustworthy

[shrewd nymph]

Gimme 3 minutes

[noble ruin]

Btw I unironically think marmu is worse than anyrad and I will forever die on this hill

[shrewd nymph]

Unfortunately true

[foggy sable]

I will disagree

[shrewd nymph]

but to push the agenda i have to pretend to disagree

[naive dew]

Marmu is atleast consistent to hitless anyrad is just ass it has nothing redeeming

[foggy sable]

anybad is actually a terrible experience

[noble ruin]

Anyrad is more consistent than marmu this is fake

[foggy sable]

I mean, no

by any metric anyrad is less consistent

[naive dew]

Humble shriek shriek ddark

[cobalt crypt]

Ive been here for 6

[noble ruin]

By my metric of amount of times I've beat them in under 2 hits in p5, anyrad is easier

[noble ruin]

Humble bounce all over the fucking place

[dry creek]

im crazing baba ghanoush now that the word aubergine was said

felt like sharing sotry

[foggy sable]

very specific metric I wonder why you chose that one

[naive dew]

Shriek shriek ddark into like one nail hit and ddark when it teleports = marmu is dead

[foggy sable]

I can't believe I have to defend marmu here

why would you do this

[noble ruin]

I assume you're throw cause youre a genshit fan

[naive dew]

She is not throw

[cobalt crypt]

EWWWWW

[noble ruin]

This is very disappointing to find out there are two mods that like genshin

[cobalt crypt]

DON'T EVER COMPARE ME TO THAT BUM AGAIN

[naive dew]

The downfall of hk

[compact wasp]

which bum?

[cobalt crypt]

Endfield is better tbh

[cobalt crypt]

Throw

[noble ruin]

I'm so sorry

[compact wasp]

smh it actualy looks so cool

but hk just has me hostage atp

[subtle glacier]

throw is cool bc bingy

[cobalt crypt]

Zal plays Valorant gang

[noble ruin]

Throw is my second least favourite mod after eloki the terrible

[naive dew]

Me

[compact wasp]

what did eloki do??

[naive dew]

Ikr

[bold belfry]

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!

[naive dew]

That eloki person cant even do 112 hitless

[cobalt crypt]

Where joker on that list

[bold belfry]

OMFG!!!

[subtle glacier]

where’s powdered on that list

[cobalt crypt]

Powdered played Fortnite

[bold belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-i-pooped-dancing-happy-gif-9208364

[noble ruin]

What eloki the terrible did between 1560 and 1580 will never be forgiven

[cobalt crypt]

Eloki colonized Sardinia

[naive dew]

I thought it was 1573

[noble ruin]

No fucking clue I'm just making stuff up based on when he was alive

[noble ruin]

Is joker still mod

[bold belfry]

whats the worst run back in hollow knight 4 a boss ill start tratior lord

[naive dew]

Wait im lost now wtf

[noble ruin]

Idk if I count stuff that you usually will have dreamgate at the point of

[bold belfry]

no dream gates allowed

[noble ruin]

Radiance if you think that counts

[shrewd meadow]

??? who even are u

[noble ruin]

Probably traitor lord then unless I'm forgetting something

[shrewd meadow]

hi choombingy :3

[bold belfry]

yh

[noble ruin]

Hive knight isn't great

[noble ruin]

Ivan the terrible

[shrewd nymph]

Absrad

or technically its radiance

[bold belfry]

wdym

[bold belfry]

yh fair

[bold belfry]

how

[shrewd nymph]

41 bosses runback is a bit slow

[cobalt crypt]

Yes

[shrewd nymph]

~30m

[cobalt crypt]

You're mother

[naive dew]

Oh righttt

[noble ruin]

3 then

[shrewd meadow]

it's only like 14 minutes

[shrewd nymph]

buh

[shrewd meadow]

false

[cobalt crypt]

Good

[bold belfry]

dosent count cus u can just go in2 hog

[cobalt crypt]

Aren't you like, a bum

[shrewd meadow]

I bet I have more money than you

[cobalt crypt]

How much do u have rn

[shrewd meadow]

like 50k

[naive dew]

I bet you have like 30 dollars

[noble ruin]

Markoth in p5 is the longest runback iirc

[cobalt crypt]

Why can't we replace you with eloki

[cobalt crypt]

Isn't 50k cad like 30 bucks and a handshake

[naive dew]

Can we replace eloki with clover as mod

[shrewd nymph]

That applies to traitor lord too then

Its also why i said technically base rad

[noble ruin]

Up!

[cobalt crypt]

Meant Melone

[shrewd meadow]

good thing I don't live in c*nada

[shrewd nymph]

or zote if you count it as a boss

[bold belfry]

u know what i mean

[shrewd meadow]

I would never speak fr*nch

[noble ruin]

I'll make sure to permaban her dw

[cobalt crypt]

Mean Aud

[naive dew]

Throws australian cro

[cobalt crypt]

Throw is kiwi

[shrewd meadow]

good thing I don't live in a*stralia

[naive dew]

Throws not real ig

[noble ruin]

False information

Throw would be a good person if they were from aus

[naive dew]

Yes i agree

[cobalt crypt]

New Zealand has its own money?!

[shrewd meadow]

yes??

[noble ruin]

Yeah

[naive dew]

Yes

[shrewd meadow]

classic americans

[cobalt crypt]

Holy racism

[noble ruin]

I stole some coins from there once

[cobalt crypt]

Classic American

[shrewd meadow]

that is not racism

[cobalt crypt]

You're saying I'm American I'm not

[naive dew]

He has about 29890 us dollars

[shrewd meadow]

you're saying I'm Australian I'm not

[noble ruin]

I have at least 4

[cobalt crypt]

I'm from the greatest island ever

[shrewd meadow]

pot calling the kettle black

[shrewd meadow]

sardine

[cobalt crypt]

I said you're kiwi

[cobalt crypt]

Yeah

[shrewd meadow]

imagine being a fish

[noble ruin]

You are not from Australia buddy

[shrewd meadow]

🐟

[cobalt crypt]

Yeah I'm from Sardinia

[cobalt crypt]

Imagine being a fruit

[shrewd meadow]

better than being a fish

[noble ruin]

MFS will live on a fish and call it the greatest island ever

[cobalt crypt]

Hell nah at least I'm alive you're a fucking fruit

[cobalt crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/sardegna-sardinia-italy-italia-gif-8221014

[shrewd meadow]

actually a kiwi is a bird

get it right

[cobalt crypt]

Not the one I meant

[shrewd meadow]

that's what they refer to

[naive dew]

Ok but maybe hes a bird

[cobalt crypt]

No I know trust me

[shrewd meadow]

I'm actually a fox (the only fox in New Zealand)

[noble ruin]

I know where Sardinia is (I'm lying I thought it was the island above it)

[naive dew]

Now you know

[cobalt crypt]

Holy racism

[naive dew]

Why is everyone here racist except me

[cobalt crypt]

Cause you're based

[zealous skiff]

you are racist against briotish people iirc

[naive dew]

Oh

Nvm i guess im racist

[cobalt crypt]

That's not racism that's your Arceus given right

[naive dew]

@zealous skiff

[cobalt crypt]

Actually the British are lowkey chill

It's not like they ever colonized anyone important (aka Sardinia)

[naive dew]

Depends if im chill

[cobalt crypt]

So they're cool

[cobalt crypt]

You're Melone

[naive dew]

Im bocchi

[noble ruin]

Said no country ever

[cobalt crypt]

Everyone knows Sardinia is actually the only real place on Earth

[shrewd meadow]

Pokemon references in the big 26 🥀

[cobalt crypt]

I refuse to say the word G**

[shrewd meadow]

wow cheese refuses to say gay

[cobalt crypt]

That motherfucker is not even getting recognition from me

[shrewd meadow]

homophobic

[cobalt crypt]

I'm the gayest woman ever but ok

[naive dew]

You can be gay and homophobic last i checked

[shrewd meadow]

I can name at least one woman gayer than you

[noble ruin]

MFS call themselves the gayest person ever when they've never even kissed a woman

[cobalt crypt]

Ok actually I feel like this might be a chance to bring up how our rules don't have anything against religious discrimination which

[cobalt crypt]

Who

[shrewd meadow]

ym

[noble ruin]

Yoyo ma

[naive dew]

Kita from bocchi the rock might be gayer

[cobalt crypt]

Which makes sense considering that unlike the other things, religion is a choice

[cobalt crypt]

My mom is straight as shit

[naive dew]

Shes like me

[cobalt crypt]

...

YOU'RE STRAIGHT?!

[upper remnant]

i think we can tell

[cobalt crypt]

Bisexual erasure gg

[shrewd meadow]

furina de fontaine is gayer than you

[upper remnant]

oh

[naive dew]

What does this mean bro

[shrewd meadow]

have you SEEN furina x escoffier

[cobalt crypt]

What the fuck do you think my PFP is 😭

[shrewd meadow]

furina

I'm not blind

[cobalt crypt]

I'm literally matching Escofuri art with my girlfriend

Sybau

[shrewd meadow]

sybau

zybau

[cobalt crypt]

Gasp

Zibai

[naive dew]

Cheese thought i was gay

[shrewd meadow]

also columbina is gayer than you

[cobalt crypt]

False

[shrewd meadow]

name ONE straight ship that people take seriously with columbina

I'll wait

[cobalt crypt]

Yes Throw, I have seen Bina X Sandrone, this is because I have played the game

[cobalt crypt]

Name one straight ship people take seriously with me

I'll wait

[shrewd meadow]

that's different bina has options

[naive dew]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-tired-lucky-star-tired-anime-gif-1495236166145253179

[shrewd meadow]

and is also more popular

tbh

[cobalt crypt]

And I'm married

[cobalt crypt]

And she's also fictional

[shrewd meadow]

and bina is basically married let's be real

[cobalt crypt]

To a dead woman

[shrewd meadow]

not for long

[naive dew]

Go to genshin cord dawg

[cobalt crypt]

To an older woman so I'm living the dream

Bina is married to a robot

[shrewd meadow]

sussy cheese

[leaden dawn]

It’s my second play through and so far I first tried every boss besides hornet 2

[cobalt crypt]

Fym sussy

[leaden dawn]

Why is hornet 2 so spam

[shrewd meadow]

I said what I said and I meant what I meant

[cobalt crypt]

I started the relationship gang

Hell do you want from me

[shrewd meadow]

have you tried descending dark

[cobalt crypt]

Don't talk ever again

[naive dew]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-shake-head-no-gif-27323209

[bold belfry]

i got grimm down 2 1/2

[leaden dawn]

That’s the thing in Crystal peaks right?

[shrewd meadow]

there are a lot more things in crystal peak than just descending dark but sure

[cobalt crypt]

Melone can we kill throw

[leaden dawn]

Imma go get it

[shrewd meadow]

also crystal peaks isn't an area

it's crystal peak

[leaden dawn]

Auto correct

[cobalt crypt]

Throw did you see

[leaden dawn]

Ok thx

[shrewd meadow]

I am elitisming

[cobalt crypt]

I spend moola on Endfield

[shrewd meadow]

🐳

[cobalt crypt]

I bought the pass

[thorn ruin]

Hello mods

[shrewd meadow]

yeah the ocean is that way cheese

whale

smh

[cobalt crypt]

Also I want to get every female character

[cobalt crypt]

Look who's fucking talking lmao

[naive dew]

I think my best choice is killing myself to not have to read this yap argument lowk

[shrewd meadow]

you

whale

smh

[cobalt crypt]

Throw how much have you spent on Genshin

[naive dew]

Hi corrysus

[shrewd meadow]

idk

[cobalt crypt]

Also throw you're being low-key ableist

[shrewd meadow]

hi cortifer suspicion

[cobalt crypt]

Calling me a whale because my ocd makes me want to get every character

Look at yourself

Can we ban throw

[shrewd meadow]

what am I reading dawg 🥀

[real pasture]

Hola
Throw don’t be elitist, it’s bad for your skin

[naive dew]

what am I reading

[cobalt crypt]

Me trying to find every way to insult you

I'm bored and hungry

[naive dew]

You could use thisbtime to do something good

[shrewd meadow]

you should eat one calorie that doubles every hour

[cobalt crypt]

I was commuting

[naive dew]

Like speedrunning ultrakill or playing ultrakill or neonwhite

[onyx basin]

helooo

[cobalt crypt]

Neonwhite ass

[naive dew]

Then pivot ultrakill its better anyway

[shrewd meadow]

cheese should do a sub 7:40 4ms speedrun on lp

[cobalt crypt]

Who

[shrewd meadow]

you

[cobalt crypt]

No

Lp

[shrewd meadow]

how does cheese not know what lp is

[cobalt crypt]

I don't

[naive dew]

Play ultrakill or rift of the necrodancer or crypt of the necrodancer or hades 2

[shrewd meadow]

classic gacha whale not knowing how to read

[cobalt crypt]

Fair

[cobalt crypt]

Look who's talking

What's LP

[naive dew]

Latest patch

[shrewd meadow]

league points

[naive dew]

Im deducting 14 league points from throw

[cobalt crypt]

(my) little pony

[shrewd meadow]

that's ok infinity minus 14 is still infinity