hk-discussion

[glad fulcrum]

Like, after that, like which boss, or area?

[keen thorn]

@naive dew

[umbral hull]

grubcchi

[zealous skiff]

Idk hollow knight is pretty open world atp, maybe ask #hk-help cus there will be spoilers here and im not good at helping with this

Hello

[tulip narwhal]

Hellaur

[glad fulcrum]

Alright, I'm just going to explore

[zealous skiff]

Id cry if buses were replacing trains on the port erin douglas line

[tulip narwhal]

Thats some sydney shit

[zealous skiff]

Melbourne shit 😭

[tulip narwhal]

The metro gets replaced with buses like every 5 days

[keen thorn]

Hey, we don't have trains at all here

[tulip narwhal]

Where does genio live

[zealous skiff]

😭

Genio is mexico iirc

[raw sonnet]

hi

[tulip narwhal]

SURELY mexico's public transport isnt as shit as the us

[keen thorn]

In other cities they do have subways

But my city literally can't build underground

[keen thorn]

Ehhhhhhhh
Probably not

At least in my city not anymore

[nova quest]

is the breaking bad yellow filter real

[keen thorn]

Yes

[tulip narwhal]

Ok cdmx transit doesnt seem that bad

[zealous skiff]

Is it some geographical shit or are you calling your govt incompetent

[keen thorn]

Geographical shit

[nova quest]

isnt the mexican government too busy smoking cartel leaders

[inner flicker]

Can safely say I’m ready for P5

[keen thorn]

Yeah

[copper hull]

FINALLY

[keen thorn]

Also bribing with each other

[copper hull]

killed soul tyrant

[nova quest]

yea looks like they have bigger fish to fry than public transport

[keen thorn]

Gg

[tulip narwhal]

@zealous skiff I got an ad for hyatt the other day on geotastic itwas so funny

[copper hull]

the overcharm was the reason i was dying [and cause i spammed spells in the first phase]

[zealous skiff]

No way

[nova quest]

public transport here is obscenely expensive

or the trains are at least

[zealous skiff]

Grand hyatt intl airport

[nova quest]

the buses are fine

[tulip narwhal]

yeah lol

[tulip narwhal]

Thats what melone said about the uk

[nova quest]

yea i live in the uk

[zealous skiff]

Tbf he was lowkey right

[keen thorn]

Honestly my state completely cooked with public transport
Last term they made a reform and it is genuinely so good

[zealous skiff]

I dont understand the point of charging heaps for public transport because surely adding one extra passenger to a train would cost the operator like 2 cents of fuel

[nova quest]

r u australian

[zealous skiff]

Thats good to hear

[quartz cave]

@naive dew

[keen thorn]

$12 mxn for a bus ride (about 0.70 USD) and $5 for students and elders
The buses actually like, stay on their routes, they stop every time someone asks instead of ignoring people, the bus drivers no longer play racing with each other and run over 10000 people per day, they're semi electric with solar panels, and there is an app you can check the locations of buses in real time

Sometimes it bugs out but it is actually usable so

[nova quest]

our 'public' transport sector is mostly run by private companies

so they take absolute liberties to maximise profit

[zealous skiff]

Same as well

[nova quest]

its over

[zealous skiff]

I think, idk fully how it works

Yah its lik private

[nova quest]

everything is so expensive

c'est fini

oil hit $120

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-avatar-the-last-airbender-zuko-dragon-dance-gif-25749677

[thorn ruin]

@quartz cave part 2

[zealous skiff]

That sounds peak, or peak at least compared to what it used to be

[tulip narwhal]

I love how every sydney train stops a few km before reaching the coast cause the richass nimby white people think a train will "ruin" their shitty car centric suburb

[compact wasp]

new pb is markoth

[nova quest]

car centric infrastructure is literally hideous

[vagrant kiln]

Mark

[zealous skiff]

0.70 seems very affordable even in mexico

[vagrant kiln]

Hi Chomp

[zealous skiff]

✅

Hi sinfaz

[zealous skiff]

Nothing looks better than a 4 stroad

[tulip narwhal]

Solution: paint a bike symbol on the side of the road

[nova quest]

trueu.....

[keen thorn]

Yeah

But in an absolute scale it is actually pretty good

[nova quest]

gross

[keen thorn]

The real time location is really good
Also no tickets to buy preemptively, you pay when boarding

Or you can buy a universal ticket from the app

[nova quest]

buses here operate purely on vibes

[keen thorn]

Sadly they don't have specific schedules

And they clump up at times

It's funny seeing two buses of the same route right next to each other

But yeah, we don't have a subway and it is impossible to build one

Also horrible biking infrastructure

[fallow grotto]

hey genio250 | 1k hours! free tips

[quartz cave]

true @thorn ruin

[tulip narwhal]

@quartz cave

[keen thorn]

hey Sugeetam | hk 10000% 1000/63 R56

[raw sonnet]

damn tribeofbattle is hard

[copper hull]

tribeofbattle?

elaborate 😭

[raw sonnet]

sister of battles + traitor lord

[tulip narwhal]

Hk mods bad

[raw sonnet]

but hes not infected

[keen thorn]

I don't know how much you're using ddark right now
It's not enough

[raw sonnet]

i am spamming it

😭

[wispy willow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jjba-kujo-jotaro-is-that-a-jojo-reference-KWAuxK9wdaKleeNVxu

[compact wasp]

genio any help for all bindings markoth?

[keen thorn]

Phase 1 you can use nail very comfortably, be always ahead of the boss and only attack when the shield is away

Nail arts are super easy too

[fallow grotto]

genio any help for all bindings itemless radiant markoth?

[keen thorn]

Use the shieldspin for lots of damage with your spells

[compact wasp]

one spell

[keen thorn]

Try to push him against the floor to ddark, a wall to shade soul or just use left shriek

[keen thorn]

You can get 2 or 3 shade souls pet shieldspin if you do it right

[compact wasp]

can't you have literally only one spell in all bindings?

how do you have multiple?

[keen thorn]

You hit 3 times between spells

[compact wasp]

damn so I need to learn the shield spin

[tulip narwhal]

gncb

[autumn ice]

gn

[raw sonnet]

not a bad run after all https://medal.tv/games/hollow-knight/clips/mCd0MdRuPnmt6AcB-?invite=cr-MSwzN28sNTk3MDI3MjAy

[keen thorn]

For phase two just
Dash slash
Dash slash
Dash slash
Shade soul
Repeat

[keen thorn]

Gm

[keen thorn]

Ihcb

[tulip narwhal]

Unnamed sighting oh my days...

[foggy sable]

ab advice surely

[tulip narwhal]

Thats fucked up why would you be so hateful

[compact wasp]

got it

[autumn ice]

i drop by on occasion

but the issue that i cant talk about silksong here and skdisc is bad persists

[tulip narwhal]

Talk about celeste here

[autumn ice]

i dont really play atm

want to get back into it but right now i'm just tasing

tasing is fun tho

[tulip narwhal]

Thats awesome

[autumn ice]

https://youtu.be/VogkTUNiqgs
been a while since i did this one

[fiery trench]

I have made this game suffering
but its on a level that would seem easy to actually good players

[fallow grotto]

Who is tas

🤔

[tulip narwhal]

ME

[fallow grotto]

😱

[tulip narwhal]

Pretty cool

Ill prob go for another 3 star clear soon

[autumn ice]

nice glhf

[lethal jay]

Yall what role do i need to watch the streams

[fiery trench]

like in voice chats?

[lethal jay]

Yep

[fiery trench]

voice chat

[lethal jay]

Im lookin for how to get the role im lost rn 🥀

[fiery trench]

150 msgs in the server

[lethal jay]

Ahhh alr

Thanks

[fiery trench]

np

[keen thorn]

Because it's true

[keen thorn]

Surely talk about R5 then

[autumn ice]

[quartz cave]

@tulip narwhal

[inner flicker]

I think I’m on stage 3 of P5 but I’m stopping

I think this is the break before sly

[keen thorn]

You can watch
https://youtu.be/1Nc_ybzQvQw?si=uTzqzrOTUvtdH7DW

[warm aurora]

Do know that you wont respawn at the bench

[inner flicker]

We can do this with the whole pantheon right

[inner flicker]

I didn’t close the game

[warm aurora]

You will restart the whole thing

[inner flicker]

It’s still on

[warm aurora]

Cool

[inner flicker]

I’m a switch player

[warm aurora]

Then it works obviously

[keen thorn]

R045? https://youtu.be/-_63E4RwdDQ?si=xrOSHK3kzDHd3wev

[inner flicker]

Oh damn

[compact wasp]

honestly I think I will take a break from p5ab lol. I will come back to it once I have like 250 hours

I think this is the range of challenge where it has dipped from being something that induces focus to becoming something I am just praying is possible

and I don't think that's good

[foggy sable]

have you done radiant hall of gods ab?

[compact wasp]

did all ascended so far

but not radiant

[foggy sable]

it would be a good step into p5ab

but where you wouldn't lose 40 minutes of progress from losing to one boss

[compact wasp]

hmm maybe yeah

[naive dew]

@foggy sable

[compact wasp]

I guess I can first to radiant charmless hall of gods, and then radiant ab

[foggy sable]

@naive dew

alternatively a old nail white spells save file is fun

godhome with that is a very different style to ab and about as difficult

[compact wasp]

true

I wonder how hard would getting base weapons te will be

old nail and white spells true ending

[foggy sable]

overworld onws is trivial besides perhaps colo 3

[compact wasp]

honestly yeah lol

[foggy sable]

an alternative is make a godhome save file and level down nail damage and spell levels with debug

[keen thorn]

And you want to do R5

But honestly fair

P5AB is hard

[foggy sable]

first clear of p5ab was so much more annoying than r5 first clear

[keen thorn]

I didn't bother taking 4 months to do P5AB the first time

But 4 months is a lot of time

[dusky bloom]

Holy fuck I just got the luckiest abs rad I'll probably ever get

[compact wasp]

r5 is actually just something that triggers progress in my head

but p5ab doesn't

because my brain is not wired to the point where I can keep track of collector and zote properly

[dusky bloom]

She stayed on the bottom platform for so long and when she teleported she still went to an easy platform to spam attacks on

[compact wasp]

that would need more experience

[keen thorn]

Honestly
P5AB was like a Cosine from 0 to 2π, R5 was like a Sine from 0 to π

[dusky bloom]

and now I just got fucked by the unluckiest abs rad ever😭

[keen thorn]

Good analogy @foggy sable

[keen thorn]

Yeah, you need to practice them individually

But when you reach 1 hit you will get this lack of progress

And it will hurt a lot so

[foggy sable]

what do you mean by this

as in like difficult or?

[naive dew]

Hii

[ornate kernel]

Hi guys!

[foggy sable]

hruuu

[dusky bloom]

You mean vengefly king was the hardest boss other than abs rad???

In p5 ab?

[naive dew]

Im fantastic i have 4 days where i dont gotta go into school wbu

[keen thorn]

I mean yes that is true

But I didn't mean the pantheon
I meant the journey

[naive dew]

@keen thorn

[keen thorn]

@naive dew

[keen thorn]

Good!! I'm just leaving school actually

And I have also the next 4 days free

Well not Monday it's Tuesday, but it's free

5 de mayo

[keen thorn]

I meant this

[dusky bloom]

I'm using the enemyhpbars mod is that fine?

[keen thorn]

No you're cheating

[worthy peak]

@keen thorn @dusky bloom @foggy sable @naive dew @compact wasp hiiiii

[compact wasp]

hoi hoi strawberry

[keen thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-boom-knuckles-look-at-you-you-who-were-once-so-proud-go-now-and-never-return-gif-1595758845753187753

[keen thorn]

Hii

[foggy sable]

oh, I skipped annoying hard stuck part of r5

[naive dew]

@worthy peak

[foggy sable]

which may explain some things about r5 opinion tbh

[compact wasp]

in r5 most people's complain bosses aren't really my complaints though

like marmu can't hit me for shit

[naive dew]

Holy moly ggg

[keen thorn]

Bro what is this
All the buses on one of the routes are stuck in the center of city

[naive dew]

Im lucky

[worthy peak]

Hru peeps?

[naive dew]

I get a casual 20 minute walk to my house

[worthy peak]

Teach me your secrets...

[dusky bloom]

Did scream skip get patched out or am I too fast for my own good?

[naive dew]

Marmu has a very consistent strat

[keen thorn]

What boss?

[naive dew]

Shriek shriek ddark on boss start and then ddark when she tps

[foggy sable]

I swear double shriek is scary

with no evidence

[naive dew]

Its not

[keen thorn]

Oh don't worry, they weren't mine either

[dusky bloom]

All of the standard scream skips like dung defender, white defender, traitor lord, the collector

[keen thorn]

The will get you

[naive dew]

You have anout 94 more seconds after shriek 2 to ddark

[worthy peak]

Hmm

[foggy sable]

I never struggled with marmu in r5 though

[thorn ruin]

After the shriek, wings and pogo as soon as you can

[keen thorn]

I mean what boss did you fail at

[thorn ruin]

Wings slightly before the pogo

[worthy peak]

How much health does marmu have....

[keen thorn]

Also dung scream skip is free

[naive dew]

Like 0

[dusky bloom]

All of them

[foggy sable]

421 iirc

[keen thorn]

Ddark as he spawns, go over him, ddark

[naive dew]

Shriek shriek ddark puts her like 4 nail hits from death lmao

[dusky bloom]

Not shriek pogo

Bruh

[foggy sable]

600 on radiant

[thorn ruin]

Oh wait

Ignore me

[worthy peak]

Does that include shaman?

:( but I don't have shaman...

Guess I need to hit 4 more times then...

[naive dew]

Shy

Not using shamans is like worse than me not using sb

[keen thorn]

Yeah actually

[keen thorn]

Wait do you have something against the most used charm of a challenge?

[naive dew]

Most used is quickslash not shamans prolly

[keen thorn]

You don't use Baldur for anyrad, the most used charm

You don't use shaman for R5, the most used charm

[keen thorn]

Actually not, I made stats some months ago

Shaman is used like, 3 times more lmao

[naive dew]

Thats fair now thst i think about it

[raw sonnet]

goodluckwith that

[worthy peak]

No it's just baldurs and shaman I don't like. Which coincidentally are resulting in this

[unique fiber]

should i try to get the speedrun achievments while i do my first steelsoul run or just do them seperately?

[worthy peak]

Plus I don't like changing my build for challenges...

[keen thorn]

I don't trust you

[naive dew]

How many runs is baldur shell used in for r5

[keen thorn]

0

[naive dew]

I thought itd be like 3

[keen thorn]

No lol, it's just a bad idea

[foggy sable]

is it ever used in r5 nail only?

[keen thorn]

Idk the list doesn't cover that

[naive dew]

Surely theres someone who did r5 like jonis lifeblood charms and like baldur shell

[keen thorn]

I wanted to make an R5+ lists that tracks the other lesser run challenges

[foggy sable]

time to make an alt account and ruin it

[compact wasp]

"lesser"

[thorn ruin]

@foggy sable @keen thorn

[foggy sable]

@thorn ruin

[keen thorn]

R5 no
R5 DL
R5 CB

R5 SB and NB why not

R5 old nail

[thorn ruin]

I need some help with RABPV NO

[inner flicker]

Every time I see someone on the climb phase of absrad they aren’t shade cloaking through the beams of light, is it coincidence or can you just not do it without getting hit

[tropic nest]

its doable but risky and pointless

[copper hull]

i got pinged

now the ping is gone

[foggy sable]

what with in particular?

[thorn ruin]

Some of my attempts

[thorn ruin]

Idk

[dusky bloom]

I love how p5 considers sheo and the oro and mato fights to be hard enough to put benches after but Sly just gets hornet 2 and then a bench😭

[thorn ruin]

I feel like I can def do it but idk why I get hit

[thorn ruin]

It’s 1 bench every 5 except for first 10

Sly is 19th iirc

[foggy sable]

so all 3 deaths I watched are different

[copper hull]

not me doing every side quest before killing the hollow knight for ending 1 only to go back, get the void heart, and repeat the process

[foggy sable]

but generally you have a bit frantic gameplay I guess

[thorn ruin]

Best attempt was 1 or 2 tendrils

[foggy sable]

for the triple doing one parry then continuing to move over pv rather than double parry is good imo

if you are dashing at ground level don't dash away dash through pv

[tropic nest]

runs have been so bad recently idk why
8 fury

[dusky bloom]

Big tip for PV,most of his attacks can be dodged by just jumping or jumping and adding a pogo or wings

[thorn ruin]

My direction key input got eaten

[dusky bloom]

The rest is just reaction time

[nimble seal]

someone help me with traitor lord

[foggy sable]

also I feel like you need to be jumping earlier because triple slash keeps whacking you before you gain enough height

[tropic nest]

overworld?

[nimble seal]

yes and i do have sharp shadow

[thorn ruin]

So basically I need to improve my reaction time

[dusky bloom]

For triple slash, jump then parry his first and second slash. You'll get 2 hits in if you're good enough and a very easy dodge if not

[foggy sable]

no rather jump more preemptively

[dusky bloom]

Also mark of pride makes the fight a billion times easier

[foggy sable]

2 hits is just not worth ab

[thorn ruin]

We’re talking about Radiant PV All Bindings Nail Only btw

[foggy sable]

because you risk easily missing the second input and falling into the slash

[dusky bloom]

Ohhhhh

[warm aurora]

Just after every 5 bosses (except Hornet protector)

[foggy sable]

with MoP you are more correct

[dusky bloom]

Then just double jump or parry the first one only

[raw sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-16205347759257346444

[thorn ruin]

Oh ok I’ll try that

[dusky bloom]

And don't worry about hitting him

[foggy sable]

hit the first parry or just after basically and move smoothly in one direction over the boss

[tropic nest]

sharp shadow bad

jump happens after 2 charges
pogo charge, shriek jump
stay close to prevent glaive
beware of the walk (after a shockwave, dont be too close until he walks without a telegraph)

[thorn ruin]

I think I’m fairly consistent at double hit though

[worthy peak]

I didn't even know that it was shamans that was most used

[dusky bloom]

Even shade dashing through IT works

[worthy peak]

Internet's back :D

[nimble seal]

thanks i was using ai to help before lol

[thorn ruin]

Yes it works but pogos are better

[nimble seal]

where to get pogos? i only have lik 30 charms

[thorn ruin]

Pogo is just nail attack downwards

[nimble seal]

oh ok

[dusky bloom]

They are but in a sticky situation like it randomly doing the triple slash while you're next to it on the ground shade dash is better. And this isn't uncommon for me btw

[thorn ruin]

Yeah I try to leave shade dash as a backup

If I feel like I’ll miss the pogo or don’t have enough time to react

[nimble seal]

longnail and sharp shadow for traitor lord (along with unbreakable strength and heart) or instead thorns of agony and mark of pride

[thorn ruin]

None

[nimble seal]

which ones

[worthy peak]

didn't know jump was forceda aftere two charges...

[thorn ruin]

Maybe mark of pride and grubsong/steady body

[nimble seal]

ok ill try that because i only have 9 notches and 5 are used for unbreakables

[thorn ruin]

Do you have Quickslash

[nimble seal]

not sure ill friend you and let you know in a few hrs

[thorn ruin]

You can dm but I don’t like friending random ppl

[nimble seal]

ok i did

btw should i do ending 5 or 3

[thorn ruin]

Do all 4 endings

[warm aurora]

Which do you call which?

And you should do all

[nimble seal]

bet i tried silksong after beating ending 1 but its not as fun

meant to respond to the do all 4

[warm aurora]

Its peak

[thorn ruin]

Yeah I enjoy HK more

[warm aurora]

I dont want to choose a fav

[nimble seal]

i like HK more too but silksong is pretty good too

[thorn ruin]

SK is really good but HK is my personal preference

Both near 10/10 games

[nimble seal]

i agree

[warm aurora]

Hk gets better as you progress the story/a save

Silksong is solid basically all throughout

But the hk endgame is awesome

[dusky bloom]

Idk why but movement in silksong feels really clunky

[warm aurora]

Opposite for me

Atleast

[nimble seal]

yeah it maintains but HK has some really fun parts ive already fought the hollow knight and defeated it 3 times cause its my favorite battle

[warm aurora]

Sk > hk movement wise

[dusky bloom]

Maybe it's because I haven't gotten some of the movement abilities yet but idk

[warm aurora]

Still the best music across both games

That battle

[warm aurora]

Could be

[nimble seal]

ive played for 2hrs on SS and have 4 ablities and have defeated lance and the other 2 intro bosses

[warm aurora]

Silksong generally has better music tho

But bots osts are great

My top 10 is 3×hk 7×sk

[worthy peak]

Uhh maybe don't talk about silksong in hk-discussion

[warm aurora]

Thats very little compared to the full game
Its also bigger as hk

[worthy peak]

At least avoid namedropping bosses

[nimble seal]

ik

[dusky bloom]

Ok well I got past markoth and gpz so it's time for abs rad wish me luck

[warm aurora]

Gl

[nimble seal]

what would you rank sisters of battle at on a rankings i would do like #5

[warm aurora]

I have every track across both games ranked
Its not very high simply because there is soo much peak

The track is great

But I find dozens better

Lemme check how high I have it among only hk (and its dlc)

[nimble seal]

not the track the boss on a difficulty scale

sisters of battle is a peak boss fight tho

[wispy sky]

why is he squished

[warm aurora]

I have Sisters of Battle 13th from only hk
Mantis lords is 11th

[warm aurora]

Oh

Not top 5

But it is difficult

I never tried ranking by difficulty

[nimble seal]

oh ok

[warm aurora]

I would place nkg, pv, absrad above them

And probably a few more

[worthy peak]

What's the challenge?

[warm aurora]

And its hard because difficulty ranking can very a lot based on first encounter and later

[worthy peak]

Just a clear?

[warm aurora]

I first tried sob the first time

I only first tried like 5 bosses

[wispy sky]

same

[worthy peak]

Also. Like do you compare to godhome boss hp or overworld...

[nimble seal]

sisters of battle is a extreme version of mantis lords in the 5th pantheon

[wispy sky]

markoth harder than sob

[warm aurora]

First tried
Sob, zote, sheo, massive Moss charger, soul warrior

[wispy sky]

except for zote how would you ever die to those

[warm aurora]

And one silksong boss, and I played silksong first

[wispy sky]

i first tried ||sister splinter||

[warm aurora]

I died to false knight
And to every silksong boss multiple times
Including the first

[dusky bloom]

No hate to Christopher Larkin but most of the tracks in silksong just felt like ambience to me even the boss fight ones

[warm aurora]

:(

[nimble seal]

i like the hk track better personally

[warm aurora]

Soul sanctum ost underrated

[dusky bloom]

City of tears is AWESOME

[wispy sky]

white palace is underrated

[nimble seal]

i love mantis lords music

[dusky bloom]

Path of pain ost is probably my favourite area ost other than city of tears

[warm aurora]

My top 10 ost from hk

1. Sealed Vessel
2. Soul Sanctum
3. Hornet
4. Grimm Troupe
5. Daughter of Hallownest
6. Pure Vessel
7. White Palace
8. Radiance
9. Truth, Beauty and Hatred
10. Nightmare King

Honorable mention to Dryya from Pale Court at place 2.5

[wispy sky]

the first time i noticed how good the music was was in manyis lords

[nimble seal]

is it even worth it to get pure nail i have coiled nail with unbreakable strength

[warm aurora]

I played silksong first as I said and it took me until the 4th area to notice that areas had different music

[foggy sable]

25% damage boost or so

[warm aurora]

From then on I payed a lot of attention to the music everywhere

[wispy sky]

not incredibly expensive just get it

strength is more expensive

[keen thorn]

I know right? Dryya is fire

[warm aurora]

Yes, and I havent even played the mod

[keen thorn]

But having a 9 minute fight has made me appreciate Mystic's part so much

Too bad the Mysterious part sucks

[wispy sky]

dryya herself is also a fun boss

[warm aurora]

The other music also isnt as well available on spotify iirc

[dusky bloom]

NOOOO I FUCKED IT UP I WAS ON 1 MASK AND WALKED INTO HER BEAMS WHILE TRYING TO UPSLASH HER

[keen thorn]

Ze'mer B is like top 2

[thin ember]

hai

[dusky bloom]

It was on the platform phase too 🙁

[warm aurora]

You had a very good run

[keen thorn]

They were, but they were taken out

[warm aurora]

Sad

[keen thorn]

I think Hegemol was taken because the artist had some allegations or something

[dusky bloom]

Why did I upslash she was to my right I could have just normally hit her😭😭

[raw sonnet]

my favorite boss fight

[wispy sky]

sob is goated

[raw sonnet]

they're easy but fun

[warm aurora]

I find sob a bit too long

[wispy sky]

so satisfying to pull off yet not crazy hard

[keen thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-meme-buzz-year-copy-meme-gif-4668439001950303425

[raw sonnet]

not really

[warm aurora]

But its a good fight

[nimble seal]

you beat the fith pantheon?

[wispy sky]

more people like nkg

[raw sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-16205347759257346444

[warm aurora]

Zote and pv

[keen thorn]

If you say your favorite boss is NKG, PV or SoB you're Buzz Lightyear

[wispy sky]

fair tho

[thorn ruin]

What abt them

[dusky bloom]

Sob is probably the most fun boss fight

[wispy sky]

theyre all top tier

[keen thorn]

Gpz is popular here before there's a big disproportion of high skill players

[warm aurora]

My favorites

[raw sonnet]

zote has the best personality in hollow knight in my opinion

[dusky bloom]

Even more than nkg and pv but I like pv more

[warm aurora]

I hate the npc tho

[thorn ruin]

Zote

[raw sonnet]

why

[wispy sky]

sheo is a really underrated boss

[raw sonnet]

his personality is really good

[nimble seal]

zote in trial of fools is a joke

[wispy sky]

best nailmaster too

[thorn ruin]

Somewhat yeah

[warm aurora]

In silksong I would say I have a more unique fav boss
In hk I wouldnt know which to pick besides the 2 I mentioned

[dusky bloom]

Probably because a lot of people don't make it to godhome

[thorn ruin]

But he’s gay

(/j)

[nimble seal]

i made it to godhome sometimes i spend like an hour fighting ascended and radiant bosses for no reason

[raw sonnet]

sly isn't getting any recognition 😭

he's also goated

[thorn ruin]

Sly is pretty good too

[dusky bloom]

Well anyway that was my daily p5 attempt time to lose my 900 rosaries in ||mount fay||

[thorn ruin]

Good luck

[raw sonnet]

radiant nkg , sob and sly are really fun to fight

[thorn ruin]

Try radpv

[raw sonnet]

done it alr

[dusky bloom]

Nkg is ONLY fun if you do it on radiant

[raw sonnet]

but they're better tho

[nimble seal]

i already lost 2200 rosaries after 2 hours of playing now im gonna 112 hollow knight instead

[fierce scaffold]

What even is pantheon?

[dusky bloom]

And also pure vessel

[tropic nest]

boss rush

[tropic nest]

if only

[keen thorn]

All bosses are good
Except Galien

[raw sonnet]

you keep fighting bosses after each one

[keen thorn]

And Nosk

[warm aurora]

Try charmless rad pv

[raw sonnet]

and radiant oblobbles

[nimble seal]

lik 15 bosses in a row (harder versions of bosses)

[fierce scaffold]

Is pantheon required for 112%

[raw sonnet]

pain in the butt

[tropic nest]

1-4 are, 5 is not

[warm aurora]

[dusky bloom]

Excuse me did you just forget about EVERYONE'S FAVORITE BOSS MARKOTH????????

[fierce scaffold]

What are the diff levels

[tropic nest]

markoth is fun

[keen thorn]

Markoth is really good

[warm aurora]

1-4 are 10 bosses in a row, increasingly harder
5 is everything

[fierce scaffold]

What bosses also?

[foggy sable]

markoth is fun

[raw sonnet]

he's NOT FUN

[thorn ruin]

[nimble seal]

1 and 2 is ez 2-4 is hard, 5 is pain

[thorn ruin]

Since when

[foggy sable]

this server does have a sampling bias though

[warm aurora]

3 is where the difficulty gets much harder
4 is a little harder as that and 5 ...

[tropic nest]

there are 5 pantheons
each has a different group of bosses, supposed to get more difficult
1-4 are 10 each, 5 is 1-4 back to back with a few extras

[fierce scaffold]

Is the no damage taken for pantheon

[warm aurora]

You can do that but thats way harder

[dusky bloom]

Markoth is the worst boss in p5 he's the worst boss in normal hallownest he's the worst boss in p3 or p4 whatever he's the worst boss on ascended, attuned and radiant

[nimble seal]

if you die in a pantheon but you dont lose anything

[worthy peak]

Forgot marmu

[warm aurora]

Markoth in p4 and p5 can be mostly skipped with spells if done right

[fierce scaffold]

Where can I look for more info abt pantheon

[dusky coral]

Markoth is not the worst boss in hallownest

[thorn ruin]

Btw Redbird what are you doing now that you have all achievs

[dusky bloom]

Marmu is fine sometimes (most of the time actually)

[warm aurora]

This server or wiki

!wiki pantheons

[violet flicker]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Pantheons

[tropic nest]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Pantheons
clears are good to watch

[keen thorn]

Markoth is the best boss in Hallownest

[raw sonnet]

????

[keen thorn]

Wait no lies, he has a ground so he's mid

[nimble seal]

look it up or go to godhome in junk pit

[raw sonnet]

you're alone in this one genio 😭

[warm aurora]

Hive knight mention

[keen thorn]

Grounded Markoth is so mid

[thorn ruin]

[[Girlfriend]]

[violet flicker]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Girlfriend?action=edit&redlink=1

[dusky bloom]

Definitely not the best boss. He's worse than nkg but probably better than grimm in hallownest

[thorn ruin]

@warm aurora

[keen thorn]

Markoth is so much better than nkg

[warm aurora]

Currently I was doing a silksong playthrough where I limit a few things to get used to things I wouldnt normally pick

Also radiant absrad

[foggy sable]

I have markoth like, top 5 or so

[warm aurora]

I have yet to do that

[dusky bloom]

Ok this is just ragebait not falling for it

[keen thorn]

Lol

[naive dew]

markoths like 4th or 5th for me

[dusky bloom]

I actually have to speedrun ||mount gay|| though😭

[warm aurora]

And a bit back I was trying overcharmed shell binding p2, got to nosk
I tried this on p1 today and got to brooding mawlek
And p1-2ab could be worth getting

[raw sonnet]

traitor lord isnt that bad also

[dusky bloom]

It's annoying

[raw sonnet]

i like his radiant version

[worthy peak]

What boss should i practice before it suddenly turns out ot be a problem...

[warm aurora]

2nd playthrough?
I found it to be way more doable on replay

[nimble seal]

hate traitor lord

[dusky bloom]

Wait this isn't sk discussion sorry

[warm aurora]

Zote via the statue

[dusky bloom]

No first

[raw sonnet]

gpz and abs

[foggy sable]

tl is also pretty good

[warm aurora]

Still fun tho yes better not here

[raw sonnet]

[tropic nest]

god tamer

[keen thorn]

GPZ
Markoth
Collector
AbsRad

Of course

[warm aurora]

Zote has not been a problem since I did the statue

[dusky bloom]

I've been avoiding spoilers for the entire time but youtubes recommendation algorithm fucked me over

[foggy sable]

hive knight imo

[worthy peak]

collector?

[keen thorn]

You know what? Failed Champ can take you by surprise

[warm aurora]

Is this a certain challange run
Also
Lost King ascended no eyes

[foggy sable]

you need to save lifeblood in p5ab and also is easy to die to in r5

[keen thorn]

Oh yeah not ab

[raw sonnet]

are u trying to speedrun the game?

[worthy peak]

r5

[warm aurora]

I randomly started losing p5 runs there halfway through my attempts

[foggy sable]

lost kin and hornet 2 are run killers

[raw sonnet]

wait why are we sleeping on lost kin / broken vessel

[foggy sable]

hornet 2 in particular

[raw sonnet]

his bos sfight is really good especially radiant version

[warm aurora]

Obblobles

[tropic nest]

hornet sentinel, wosk,
-# nkg

[weary sandal]

Whats the best build of ||charms|| for ||Pantheon of hollownest||?

[tropic nest]

not a big issue

[thorn ruin]

BV is easy LK can be a small problem

[warm aurora]

I did once do markoth hitless by using no spells on soul tyrant and spamminf them on markoth skipping both phases

[dusky bloom]

P5 is now just don't die to markoth and gpz, then don't get fucked by rng and nerves in abs rad for me

[raw sonnet]

[dusky bloom]

You don't have to spoiler block in this channel btw

[warm aurora]

I can try to solve an issue here
Do the gpz statue
All 10 fights and he will not be an issue anymore

Worked for me

[dusky bloom]

Gpz itself is not a problem😭 it's the fact that he comes after MARKOTH

[worthy peak]

all 10 fights will probably solve it anyway. alternatively do rad like 10 times...

[warm aurora]

And fchamp after that (tho he has been less of an issue in my later attempts)

[raw sonnet]

wait whats r5

[tropic nest]

hitless p5

[naive dew]

hitless p5

[warm aurora]

Radiant p5

[raw sonnet]

oh

[tropic nest]

Snail

[dusky bloom]

Failed champ is completely fine I usually dodge all his attacks anyway but I still cheese him just in case

[raw sonnet]

fcham is easy

[naive dew]

not my fault for being snail im in a r5 run

[raw sonnet]

really easy

[warm aurora]

I have gotten better at fchamp

3 shrieks after a stun is very satisfying

I also barely cheese him anymore, unless I miss hp

I cant get full soul at the end anyways

[naive dew]

yes you can#

[weary sandal]

oh mb gng

[dusky bloom]

LET'S GOO I GOT MY 900 ROSARIES BACK

[weary sandal]

#sk-discussion

[worthy peak]

still wrong channel

[dusky bloom]

Still do spoiler block if you're talking about other games

[dusky bloom]

Oh sorry lmao

[foggy sable]

how is the run going

well I of course presume

[unreal vale]

how do i get the fight with the radiance?

[zinc delta]

if hk disc talks abt hk then why can we not talk abt hks

[unreal vale]

i am fighint the hollow knight how do i get the radiance fight?

[nimble seal]

get both halfs of the void heart then hornet will help in the fight. she will pin the hollow knight down then you dream nail the hollow knight

[unreal vale]

ok

[raw sonnet]

you need void heart then dreamnail the hollow knight

[worthy peak]

why does stagger loop work against right wall but not left...

[dusky bloom]

Both halves of kingsoul*

[dusky bloom]

I think everyone's just more used to moving left to right in 2d games

[warm aurora]

What boss Hornet protector?

[worthy peak]

not sure how that is related

[warm aurora]

I know way too little of this so its a guess

[warm aurora]

Technical thing

[worthy peak]

hornet sentinel ... Im not properly looping but like when i shriek against right wall its fine. when i shriek against left wall she lands on me

[dusky bloom]

Wait what were you talking about?

[dusky bloom]

The hornet you fight in greenpath

[warm aurora]

Its about godhome

And someone once pointed out that team cherry went out of their way to give both hornet encounters a different name and most people just use 1 and 2 which is a tiny very little bit disrespectful
And I find that a good reason to use the normal name

But thats a personal thing

Yes Hornet from greenpath

That was my guess

But it was the other hornet

[dusky bloom]

Saying 1 and 2 saves time and gets the same point across. And you have no need to be annoyed on team cherry's behalf when they're not annoyed about it

[warm aurora]

I am fine with anyone doing which way they like

I just like the gesture of using the actual names myself

[foggy sable]

left and right facing shrieks?

or unrelated

[worthy peak]

Im certain i shrieked left both times...

but i could be wrong i guess...

[warm aurora]

You still take time to turn around

Which could change timings

[foggy sable]

maybe it is just weird hk behaviour

it is why I don't shriek hornet

[copper hull]

im so close to the end 😭

[warm aurora]

Wall hitboxes?
Sometimes Hornet does werird when she dashes into a wall

Tho I would still assume straight hitboxes

[warm aurora]

Of?

[copper hull]

hollow knight

[warm aurora]

Pantheons moment

[copper hull]

literally just have to do nkg and then i can go get the normal ending, then i can go back and get the void heart

and i forgot about the pale ore

FAHHH

where is the last pale ore?

[warm aurora]

Idk which you got already

[dusky bloom]

I try to fight hornet the way a TAS does it but I'm clearly not good enough😭

[warm aurora]

Grubfather
Seer
Colo 2
Crystal peaks
Nosk
Ancient basin

The 6 ore

[copper hull]

ok so im missing nosk

time to find this roach

[warm aurora]

Dont compate to TAS please

[copper hull]

TAS?

[warm aurora]

TAS is only an example for the few best players

[warm aurora]

Tool Assisted Speedrun = perfectly optimised gameplay

[copper hull]

oh

[warm aurora]

Frame perfect inputs

We should not try to copy that

[copper hull]

yeah nah i cant be bothered with that lol

[dusky bloom]

Bruh. I learned my methods from watching a TAS do it

[warm aurora]

Why

Some bosses would be humanly impossible

[dusky bloom]

Because I want to be better

[warm aurora]

TAS does p5 in 17 minutes

It takes players around an hour

*the first time

[dusky bloom]

No I'm not trying to copy the precision obviously. Just the techniques like the flukemarm pogo kill

[worthy peak]

but some wouldnt

[warm aurora]

You are setting the bar way yoo high

[warm aurora]

You are more experienced

Can you give a better example

[worthy peak]

that said rng will mess you up quite possibly

[dusky bloom]

Yeah it will

[worthy peak]

Like the TAS is able to punish however it likes sometimes... cause it can force a good next attack.

So what a TAS does may literally be bad unless you know the rng.

[dusky bloom]

Most of the time it's not really the rng that the tas relies on i think

[worthy peak]

Well i understood it to be it was just learnign the techniques. So learning flukemarm pogo kill as in their example will very much be somethign they can learn and benefit from learning

[warm aurora]

Ig but I wouldnt use it as base source

[dusky bloom]

Maybe I'm not even trying to copy a TAS? Just the speedrunners since they usually do what the TAS does anyway other than like wall cling storage off of any wall

[warm aurora]

It always has perfect luck

[compact wasp]

TAS does consistent THEORETICALLY perfect nail turnarounds because its ONLY possible for TAS and not humans.

it will literally make you slower if you copy TAS

[warm aurora]

Speedrunners are significantly under TAS skillwise and a way better example

[worthy peak]

Hmm... I havent watched but like... I dont see why the TAS wouldn't play extrememly badly and just force perfect luck. Cause bad play can be optimal with perfect luck.

[warm aurora]

That too

TAS does the biggest frame perfect clutch a human can ever do
60 times per second

[dusky bloom]

Nail turnarounds are not TAS only, plus I only copy what I can

[compact wasp]

the thing is TAS's movements are predictions. Not adaptation. speedrunning has a lot of adaptation

[dusky bloom]

Obviously I wouldn't try to copy the nail knock back turnaround slashes they do in kings pass

[ebon depot]

Why not just watch the actual top runs done by actual humans lol

[warm aurora]

No but the tricks from TAS dont only apply to what looks hard

[compact wasp]

actually now that I think about it. It probably doesn't but I would just watch a human speedrunner to have like a realistic expectation lol

[warm aurora]

But to everything

[worthy peak]

TAS also like... does quite a bit just cause the TASer was bored...

Its not always simple to tell which is which

[dusky bloom]

Cause TAS runs are cooler lmao even if they're not genuine

[compact wasp]

anyways I am going to start the base nail run

[warm aurora]

Yes
Thats the highest example you could watch

[compact wasp]

for true ending

let's see how that goes

[warm aurora]

And even then it depends on your skill wether its worth it

[warm aurora]

Cool

[dusky bloom]

Tool assisted "speedrun" i doubt they're going to fuck around in a speedrun especially those that try to do the "perfect" run

[compact wasp]

yeah i need a break from p5ab lol

[warm aurora]

Makes sense

[worthy peak]

yes they will.
There are ways to do it without losing time

[ebon depot]

Nah they def throw in random inputs that arent relevant to movement in there sometimes lol

[warm aurora]

Or specifically do tricks way harder as necessary

[dusky bloom]

I think those are for rng manipulation

Or who knows

[warm aurora]

I just would not use TAS as example

[warm aurora]

Rng is preprogrammed afaik

Which you cant do

[dusky bloom]

No? They start with a set seed and the actions they do change the seed which affects the rng.

[warm aurora]

Idk if you play(ed) bad piggies but there I know some examples of things with TAS where its quickly visible that the strategy wouldnt work for humans at all

[worthy peak]

lets assume thats true... You are still unable to tell what parts are neccesary and which parts are just rng...

If you cant tell you cant learn...

[warm aurora]

Rng is still Pure random in some spots
Where TAS can still choose the outcome
Like absrad teleports in phase 6

[dusky bloom]

I'm not trying to copy the precision, just the strats😭

[warm aurora]

But the strats only work with the exact rng

[worthy peak]

yes but you cant tell what are neccesary parts of the strat and what is rng manip that makes no difference....

Without knowing the strat already.

[warm aurora]

And there are plenty of people here with realistic tips

[dusky bloom]

Not all of them.

[warm aurora]

And you cant just try to jump to the highest level of skill sometimes

[warm aurora]

Very much most of them

[worthy peak]

How can you tell which are which though...

[warm aurora]

Speedrunners have 1000s of hours in this game

[worthy peak]

That is so important for learning strats...

[warm aurora]

And they perform worse as TAS

[dusky bloom]

Well, if I can't learn a strat I don't learn it

[warm aurora]

And as mentioned before
Strats based on adaptation are important

[ebon depot]

Whats the actual topic btw is this pantheons or like any%

[warm aurora]

I think overal

They just mentioned learning from TAS whatever they can

[ebon depot]

Surely its not any% right how are you copying the 15 different kinds of WCS they spam in every room lol

[warm aurora]

But that applies to pantheons too

[dusky bloom]

Idk but I meant pantheons and like general movement STRATS not precision

[warm aurora]

Its just unrealistic all around

Gtg

[dusky bloom]

I told them I don't try to copy WCS

[warm aurora]

Includes those too

[wispy sky]

whats the best emoji in this server

[dusky bloom]

Or anything that relies on like insane rng

[wispy sky]

imo its

[worthy peak]

okay... so here is another thing. some strats are only optimal with perfect precision.
Sometimes they are jsut bad if done to a human level...
But sometimes they look doable by a human and it will feel good... but it will actually be worse at human precision levels.

[worthy peak]

Im curious to hear your thoughts...

[ebon depot]

Well yeah because its not possible lol, I just dont think you can really apply any kind of TAS overworld routing to human runs since they rely so heavily on those super specific movement techs, pantheons i mean i still wouldnt but eh its not like the worst thing you can dp

[worthy peak]

Well heard now...

[dusky bloom]

Which strats? I know the nail knockback turnarounds are impossible for me so I didn't do it

[dusky bloom]

For me it's or

[lapis pendant]

Mantis Lords are so fun Idc if I died 14 times to their Radiant fight

[wispy sky]

get ready for sisters of battle

[lapis pendant]

Isn't that just Mantis Lords but all three of them

I can handle that

[worthy peak]

Haven't watched TAS can't give examples...
But ill give a similar example (although this isnt tas)
When i was doing celeste speedruns there are two routes through one of the rooms in 1a. I could do the top route despite it being harder... However at my precision level it was slower. I could not tell. So by trying to copy a human who was too far above me i ended up performing worse.

lost like 2 seconds in that room...

2nd room of crossing i believe

[copper spruce]

Hollow knight

[wispy sky]

Silksong

[worthy peak]

If it was that it would be harder...

Cause the attack patterns are changed to be fair...

[dusky bloom]

That's true but you'd still be faster if you kept trying cause the speedrunners wouldn't do that if it wasn't optimal

[wispy sky]

not really

[worthy peak]

I wouldnt though. I missed an important part of the strat

[worthy peak]

yes really. try doing double mantis lords first phase and see how hard it is.

I have tried double mantis lords and taken out one

[dusky bloom]

And what part was that?

[lapis pendant]

That's
Uh
Idk if I'm fine with that cause I've fought Lords so much that my muscles are Attuned to that, even if it's a bit harder

[worthy peak]

on room entry i needed to do a hyper bunny hop.

[wispy sky]

hollow knight reference 🤯

[worthy peak]

also the still be faster doesnt apply when its TAS

[lapis pendant]

This reference is so Radiant

[wispy sky]

i think ive ascended

[worthy peak]

now... I cant think of exaamples cause i havent studied TAS.

But is it that much of a strech to assume thered be at least one.

[lapis pendant]

This is bringing me to the Purest form of my Vessel

[worthy peak]

Given that I only run 1a and thats super short yet there is already a room where it applies on a human level

[wispy sky]

we’ll have to seal your vessel then

[lapis pendant]

Nooooo I'll Nail you like the Master I am

[wispy sky]

wait shit a hornet got in my house

[lapis pendant]

That Hornet is probably a
Uh
Sentinel

[wispy sky]

Salubra

[lapis pendant]

Blessing

[wispy sky]

Godseeker

[lapis pendant]

Speaking of Godseeker how can I make it stand up in the physical world
I'm tired of seeing its sleeping ass everytime I exit Godhome

[wispy sky]

beat more pantheons

[warm aurora]

Do 2 pantheons

[lapis pendant]

Fah

[warm aurora]

[lapis pendant]

I'm stuck on Oro and Mato gng it's hopeless for me ✌️✌️✌️

[warm aurora]

Its not the help channel

I can gitgud people

[lapis pendant]

Fah

[warm aurora]

Classical barrier

I dont like to be in between them

I usually stick near the border of the arena and keep enough space to dodge and damage

[wispy sky]

lots of shade soul and ddark

[warm aurora]

You can ddark when low on space

Shade soul works great

Also, most people including me find the p2 final boss easier

[lapis pendant]

I can kill Mato in time but then Oro decides to jumpscare me with the DSlash when I'm at one mask

[wispy sky]

honestly wish they did more with sheo

[warm aurora]

And hopefully you know you can practice the boss solo

Some people dont know that

[wispy sky]

hes kinda underwhelming as a final boss of the pantheon

[warm aurora]

Lorewise I like that they put him in a higher pantheon

Not really lorewise

More game design wise

Brotherstorywise

But hes easier

[wispy sky]

imagine all 3 brothers at once

+sly

[worthy peak]

I think that falls under lore

[warm aurora]

Tho he is alone, 2 of him (sheo) would be hardet

Barely

But yes

[warm aurora]

+pv and absrad

:>

[worthy peak]

also I think he is harder than the other two combined...
that said... thats cause the other two have horrible battle strategy of ttacking one at a time.

[wispy sky]

+nkg for fun

[worthy peak]

you guys forgot... gpz...

[raw sonnet]

https://medal.tv/games/hollow-knight/clips/mCfP547sNlZHR9oQQ?invite=cr-MSxlbmMsNTk3MDI3MjAy this couldve been a really good run 💔

[lapis pendant]

Oh wait that's mod I forgot

[worthy peak]

@keen thorn please can I have tips for sheo...

[naive dew]

i got a really good uumuu hit where the bomb was just in midair not really touching a platform but it didnt move so it boomeranged into me

[foggy sable]

the classic

[warm aurora]

He very often does the red attack after he does a little jump

Which I find odd

Repositioning to do a repositioning attack

And when he is offscreen you can expect yellow

[prisma cradle]

What is this version of hk

[worthy peak]

[raw sonnet]

1.5

[copper hull]

guys

i let the gays meet up

[compact wasp]

perish

[worthy peak]

why D:

[empty lynx]

i wish nothing but the best for you

[empty lynx]

i think this is a good visual example to what redbird said

[foggy sable]

the timing of your nail arts early in the clip is weird

[pseudo jacinth]

danggg, pale court is harder then i thought

you can like not heal with isma

[worthy peak]

oh i hadnt thought of jumping before the cyclone...

[empty lynx]

?

[foggy sable]

I feel like you do them about half an attack off when I do them

like, you avoid the attacks at a different timing

[empty lynx]

oh

the blue yeah?

[pastel sedge]

Yo I just beat the watcher knights in 2 tries

[foggy sable]

so I dodge blue later and so dash slash from closer in

[empty lynx]

i just like getting them out of the way with a shade cloak

[foggy sable]

not that it really matters because you seem consistent

[empty lynx]

nice bro ggs

[pastel sedge]

Yeah Idk why people call it hard

[umbral night]

No nail arts in my battle gear

[pastel sedge]

On the first try I was on the last knight

[empty lynx]

Yea the only time a dash slash was dangerous was when i was cornered and bro does blue

[vale condor]

https://tenor.com/view/otter-otter-aty-petting-head-pat-gif-26796568

[pastel sedge]

Then I died

[umbral night]

Yeah i think wk is hard

[empty lynx]

most go there underupgraded (or don't know how to use spells properly by then)

[pastel sedge]

Yeah I gone with 10 charm notches
Build:Stalwart Sheild,Baldur's sheild,quickfocus and unbreakable strength

[frigid terrace]

Malicious and murderous being

[pastel sedge]

I rarely used spells lol

Only sometimes

[umbral night]

That's a female otter isn't it

Cuz it looks cute

[empty lynx]

why baldur with quick focus?

[pastel sedge]

Bruh what if the shield breaks

[pastel sedge]

Then quickfocus

[wraith fern]

it's so satisfying dodging his long yellow paint with shade cloak

[umbral night]

This is why wk is hard

[pastel sedge]

Bruh I just got it when it did the triple nail attack

[empty lynx]

shield's pretty unnecessary if your heal is almost instant

[pastel sedge]

And dodged

[pastel sedge]

It's a backup plan

IF my shield breaks

Then I will not be send to the void by a boss

Because of quickfocus

[empty lynx]

okay so
here's the thing

[pastel sedge]

(on my first playthrough btw)

On mobile

[copper hull]

guys im sad

[empty lynx]

baldur's shell: it doesn't really do much, you still lose your soul if you get hit whilst healing (which shouldn't really happen with quick focus)

So although it might seem like it's the main thing, it's really not

[pastel sedge]

Yeah

[copper hull]

primal aspids were hyped up to be the most annoying enemy in the game, and i havent had trouble with them at all

[pastel sedge]

But the main rule

[empty lynx]

I'd say just replace it with something else tbh

[pastel sedge]

If it works it works

I'll use it for now

[fallow grotto]

i am sugeetam

[pastel sedge]

Probably gonna replace it soon

[fallow grotto]

san sun 🤔

[pastel sedge]

In the endgame

[empty lynx]

aight

[pastel sedge]

Oh you on five

Yeah I was on 7 masks when I fought it

[empty lynx]

it's mostly because people:
A: are stubborn barbarians about using spells
B: aren't that used to nail arts
C: don't know how they decide when to attack

[umbral night]

I don't think that makes it any easier tbh

[pastel sedge]

Bruh just use a good charm setup

[empty lynx]

Speedrun too so like they have hardly anything
now imagine someone on there first playthrough getting there with shit equipment

[fallow grotto]

if they can’t use spells then they can’t beat anyrad 30.8 😡

[pastel sedge]

I was on probably 10 notches

[pastel sedge]

Yeah

[empty lynx]

i think the first time i fought watcher knights i like, had barely anything

[pastel sedge]

I was E X T R A prepared

[empty lynx]

and was probably using pretty ass charm builds

[pastel sedge]

I was using the best mid game charms and used some of my brain power instead of slash slash slash heal

[empty lynx]

But when i decided to Why are you dying ☠️ to bosses 👨🏼? You should just be using descending dark 🕶. Descending ⬇️ dark 🕶️ gives you iframes 👀 which stop 🛑 you taking damage 😔. It also does a🅰️🅰️ lot of damage 😢. Stop 🛑 dying ☠️ to video 📻📻👾 game 👾 bosses 👨🏼 and just use descending ⬇️ dark 🌑 i realized each watcher knight is literally 2.5 ddarks (with shamman stone)

[empty lynx]

getting there

[pastel sedge]

Also plus I heavily researched my charms

Even If your a bad player

Charms can save you from trying hundreds times to beat a boss

[empty lynx]

your charm build is pretty decent (stalwart depends on how often you get hit) but i think you should replace baldur soon

with something like quickslash (both extra soul gain and damage)

[pastel sedge]

Yeah

But since it best the watcher knights in one attempt shows it's a good charm build

I used a different build in attempt 1

[empty lynx]

what build? Curious

[umbral night]

Lmao this has to be the best ragebait ever

Becuz it's true

[pastel sedge]

Stalwart Shield,Baldur's Shield,Quickfocus and unbreakable/fragile strength

[empty lynx]

It's like the oldest copypasta this server has lol

[empty lynx]

The different build in the first attempt i mean

[umbral night]

Lol

[coarse gust]

Hi

[empty lynx]

Hii

[pastel sedge]

Oh ok
Build-Quickslash,L O N G N A I L, Fragile/Unbreakle Strength and Health

[coarse gust]

I lowk cannot beat radiance rn😭🙏

[pastel sedge]

Try different charm builds I guess

[empty lynx]

This is a really good build but it would grow a bad habit of facetanking so glad you changed

[empty lynx]

what's up?

[surreal kestrel]

guys I’m doing a boss randomiser where I defeat bosses in random order without doing other ones, and my first one i got was Xero. I’m currently in Queens station and I’ve never done a fireball skip.. so I’d like some tips please

[pastel sedge]

Oh I didn't know there were bfdi fans here

[surreal kestrel]

(trying to get to deepnest for tram pass to grounds)

[coarse gust]

The sky.

[empty lynx]

i really hope you get impaled with the sharpest sword her light has

[coarse gust]

I hope you get stuck beating path of pain for 25 times🥰🥰🥰

[empty lynx]

I hope you explode

[coarse gust]

I hope primal aspids invade ur house.

[languid heron]

quickslash shaman spell twister is really good for radiance

[frozen hull]

One of the mods watches BFDI iirc

[pastel sedge]

I think people think the watcher knights are hard because they come with bad equipment and think they're gonna cheese this fight and get immediately sent back to reality

[umbral night]

At the height of your jump, turn around for a split second, fireball, hold right, repeat x3

Also, your layout should be comfortable enough i guess

[empty lynx]

yep that's how it is pretty much

[pastel sedge]

I probably came prepared that's why I cheesed it I guess

[tight mesa]

Gwnj does yeah

[pastel sedge]

Overconfidence is never a good thing if your gonna fight the watcher knights I guess

[tight mesa]

Have you considered you're not confident enough

[umbral night]

Even if you die a thousand times, the shade will still be there waiting for you

Till you kill them

[coarse gust]

I have those + unbreakable strength and still can't do it😭🙏

[pastel sedge]

No I'm confident but not too much

[tight mesa]

You'll memorize its lovely lullaby

[empty lynx]

so an issue with attacks
What's up?

[warm aurora]

My main build tho

[tight mesa]

You must let your hubris guide you

[civic pawn]

Hii guys what did I miss here?

[dusky coral]

rdr2 genuinely such a goated game

[umbral night]

Never played, fr, though heard a lot
What's it about?

[solid hound]

Wild West

[umbral night]

Ohh