hk-discussion

[sweet blaze]

idk ask the lore guys (dont)

[molten yoke]

When I say that I did in whatever way, I’m not trying to invalidate lol. It helps me to compare how I did it to how they did it, and subsequently allows me to give better advice

[compact wasp]

yeah I know. Maybe I am just wrong lol. Sorry about that

[tacit spear]

I might as well get one charm ^_^

So I can get awakened nail...

Thank you ^_^

[compact wasp]

wait how is dream gate a charm?

[tacit spear]

You get a charm before ^_^

[compact wasp]

wait dream wielder

yeah got it

took a second for some reason

[compact wasp]

wait by your definition of charms, isn't dream no more impossible?

cuz you can't really avoid voidheart

so you have 3 charms you must pick up?

[molten yoke]

Nah it’s alright dw

[indigo grail]

Two if you want to do Grimm quest

[compact wasp]

3 if you want to dream no more

[tacit spear]

You can drop the grimmchild charm ^_^

[tacit spear]

Kingsoul turns into voidheart ^_^

I'll end up with two charms...

[compact wasp]

just don't wear em

[tacit spear]

Which means it is impossible unless you can glitch the run somehow but I don't know how to do that/don't want to...

[compact wasp]

pretty sure the glitch is in godhome

you wear the charm binding for something

that forcefully removes voidheart

and then you have to quit out on a specific time to remove voidheart from the list

[tacit spear]

I probably will end up with one charm if I count voidheart as mandatory...

Which is the dream nail charm...

And I'm going for ab anyway so the charms don't matter ^_^

[wind garnet]

@foggy sable @shrewd nymph record pacer

400hp left

[wary perch]

FUCK MY LIFE

I JUST GOT TO THE AREA RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE GRCE

AND FELL ON THE THORNS

OMDS

[molten yoke]

NOOOOOOOO

[foggy sable]

speedy

[wary perch]

time to go back to trh grey mourner....

[sweet blaze]

classic

[wary perch]

i just killed the knight in the garde out of rage

and i thought my bench was at the stagway but its at grey morner

why do i even try 😭

[ebon depot]

🔥 uefi rust code is such ass

[sweet blaze]

hru yato
oh yeah i finally, finally properly started reading lotr

wai

wait are you the correct yato

[ebon depot]

[sweet blaze]

[ebon depot]

[wary perch]

fell on a slobbering husk and destroyed the flower

[sweet blaze]

i've been reading it aloud and it's been an... interesting experience
especially cuz i dont particularly have a welsh accent

[ebon depot]

very bored at work, my boss isnt here so im mostly just doing whatever stupid programming ideas i can come up with rn in between small tasks, wbu

[wary perch]

im gonna go back to dirtmouth and get my shade cuz im lazy and then re clear the path

maybe not today tho idk

[ebon depot]

lmao peak, surely youre singing the songs aswell ?

[agile pewter]

oh god...

[sweet blaze]

smh lemon

[ebon depot]

lotr hate dni

[agile pewter]

oh wait its lotr

thought it was game of thrones

[sweet blaze]

how

[ebon depot]

[sweet blaze]

i see
i remember you were interning before(?) properly employed now is it

im studying for my finals rn, reading in my breaks. but honestly chilling im not that stressed

[agile pewter]

i literally just did asc oc anyrad

unless you cant tell, im not really a sane person

[sweet blaze]

i havent reached songs? not yet, i've been reading the poetry properly tho

[sweet blaze]

the second statement is not reliant on the first

[ebon depot]

not quite fully employed yet, im in the last couple of months of my 3 year apprenticeship, weve got exams in about 3 weeks and ill be a full-time employee starting somewhere in June, good to hear that its been chill tho

[sweet blaze]

oh awesome

gl with allat

[ebon depot]

thanks

[ebon depot]

very good decision, the poetry and songs are always my favourite part of the audiobooks ngl, it gives so much more depth its great

[dusty gulch]

took my friend like 10 tries to beat hornet, i am praying for him

[ebon depot]

where about are you in the books rn?

[sweet blaze]

mhm

i just started couple days ago, so like im halfway through just chapter 3 of fellowship

[wary perch]

guys, how have ur days been

[final mist]

good

[sweet blaze]

been alright hbu

[dusty gulch]

||groal|| ate me

[quartz cave]

i dont think so

also #sk-discussion

[dusty gulch]

why not

[quartz cave]

cause i said so

[ebon depot]

aah nice, so frodo should just about be on his way to buckland from what I remember right

[sweet blaze]

yep

[eternal geyser]

Happened to me too. Anxiety I think
Also equip grubfly ellgy if you don't want to clear enemy in advance

[final mist]

how to beat false knight its hard

[sweet blaze]

im trying to note down how the dialogue and descriptions are written, maybe take away a few things for my own writing

also it's just very nice to read good prose :P

[final mist]

i started a new run after 4 years helps

[dusty gulch]

wayward compass or kingsoul

[final mist]

ewahts the compass and kingsoul

[dusty gulch]

ok bro

when is zb discussion channel coming out

[sweet blaze]

though i dont believe saying queer folk in quite the same way would work nowadays :P

[wary perch]

nah i liked clearing hem in advance

[dusty gulch]

grubberyfly's elegy sucks imo

its not really that good

[bitter jolt]

floaty wings pmo

[eternal geyser]

I don't remember. I think I cheesed him by climbing up the wall and using my grim child and weaverlings for most of fight

[bitter jolt]

does anyone know what causes it

[dusty gulch]

wdym floaty wings

[wary perch]

monarch wings?

[ebon depot]

that could lead to certain misunderstandings yeah

[bitter jolt]

the glitch that makes every double jump a full double jump

i know how to fix it once it happens but its really inconvenient

[dusty gulch]

oh

i havent got that glitch

[wary perch]

also what completion % do most people get by the time they finish they finish their save/

like, beat thk or radiance

[eternal geyser]

I only used for delicate flower quest specifically. Since I couldn't t take damage, it was highly useful

[eternal geyser]

I got 98. I think.

[wary perch]

cuz i have 96%

[dusty gulch]

delicate flower is the best hollow knight weapon

also guys i have 110% and i cant fingure out wth the other 2% is

[wary perch]

its the path of pain trust

[dusty gulch]

i already did that

[wary perch]

lmao

[dusty gulch]

Twice

[wary perch]

all charms, hunters journal?

[bitter jolt]

p4?

[dusty gulch]

yep

[bitter jolt]

hunters journal doesn't give % i dont think

how much essence do you have

[dusty gulch]

i beat p5

i got seer ascension

[wary perch]

if they beat pop at least 1800

[bitter jolt]

colo 3?

[bitter jolt]

need 2400 for a %

[dusty gulch]

i did trial of the fool

[bitter jolt]

huh

[wispy willow]

You could ask in speedruningcord

[ebon depot]

Speaking of lotr i should port the 1982 the hobbit game that came out for DOS onto modern hardware maybe that shit would actually be playable then

[sweet blaze]

what in the world

[ebon depot]

I tried playing all lotr games once, can not recommend as it turns out theyre all shit

Theres like, one good ps2 game, then garbage until the lego games, and then garbage until shadow of mordor/war again

[bitter jolt]

not in it

[sweet blaze]

i have shadow of mordor and shadow of war actually

i kinda forgot to try em out

[ebon depot]

Those are p good, they butcher lore like theres no tomorrow but theyre fun

[sweet blaze]

lmao

[ebon depot]

and then ofcourse after the shadow games youve got the GOAT of gaming, lotr: Gollum

[worthy peak]

Like being hit during the start of the double jump I think

Then if you double jump again it is always full

[sweet blaze]

😭

[glossy mango]

sigh

I'm attempting nightmare king Grimm with strength, mark of pride and sharp shadow

sharp shadow makes it noticeably easier

I have two charm notches I'm not sure what to use on

probably steady body

[naive dew]

this game is too good

[honest shale]

have you tried playing with base textures

[naive dew]

yes

[honest shale]

ok

[naive dew]

its bad

i prefer nijika being in the bottom left at all times

[worthy peak]

:(

[honest shale]

Sharp shadow makes you noticeably worse

both at the game and as a person

[foggy sable]

I'll run r5 with sharp shadow imo

[worthy peak]

Build muscle memory for it

[honest shale]

gl with that

[worthy peak]

Then have even more trouble with r5ab

[foggy sable]

that could never happen

[naive dew]

@foggy sable

[worthy peak]

Well gl

[knotty ravine]

Truth nuke

[gaunt hatch]

hi

[worthy peak]

Hi

[glossy mango]

WHAT

[agile pewter]

random thumbnail sneak peek

[glossy mango]

I JUST BEAT NKG WITH SHARP SHADOW

now I feel guilty I hate you all

[worthy peak]

You should. Learn to pogo or nart.

Actually don't

[tropic nest]

if it works it works sshadow is just mid

[worthy peak]

Like using sharp shadow is fine.

[glossy mango]

nail art?

[worthy peak]

Yeah

[glossy mango]

nail art attacks are too slow

[worthy peak]

They aren't

Especially if you are shade dashing.

Charge it up then

[glossy mango]

only nail art that doesn't suck with slow ass frames is dash slash

[worthy peak]

And then the next attack you can nart

[foggy sable]

@naive dew

[glossy mango]

great slash leaves me too vulnerable

[worthy peak]

Cyclone is awesome

[glossy mango]

cyclone has little range

[worthy peak]

Nkg does not move randomly eniugh

[glossy mango]

actually it doesnt

[worthy peak]

???? Compared to what?

[worthy peak]

Okie

[glossy mango]

I think I could use dash slash cyclone is just a little complicated

leaves me several frames vulnerable as well, not being able to jump nor sdash

[worthy peak]

Literally for the uppercut walk away and turn around greatslash

[glossy mango]

My reflexes aren't that good

[worthy peak]

You realise that after a shade dash you are vulnerable as well right?

[glossy mango]

I know?

[worthy peak]

Like when shade dashing you have to be predicting further into the future

[glossy mango]

but at least I can jump

[worthy peak]

Than when greatslashing

[worthy peak]

Not even what I'm talking about

I'm talking about if a boss decided to be where your dash ends

[glossy mango]

I'm not the pale king 🥀

[worthy peak]

Got me hit enough fimes

[glossy mango]

Nkg doesn't do that too much

[worthy peak]

Basically narts are less committal than shade dash

Is the point I'm making

So you don't have a good excuse

[worthy peak]

Nkg doesn't suddenly hit you out of a nart much either

[glossy mango]

do narts help with staggering at least

I think I can work with them yeah

dash slash during bat attack is a must

[worthy peak]

Yes

[glossy mango]

more than a regular nail?

or same

[knotty ravine]

narts should add 2 to stagger count instead of +1

[stuck coyote]

staggers depend on the number of hits

[copper spruce]

Ok

Two horses kissing

[glossy mango]

can't find opportunity to nart during dive attack

guess I'll just pogo him as usual

[copper glacier]

i just opened discord guys why

[glossy mango]

grimmnet

hormm

[worthy peak]

Greatslash hits below you btw

[fleet wadi]

what is the worst hollow knight boss fight

[worthy peak]

So like... It's an option...

[glossy mango]

barely

[worthy peak]

A good one? Idk but it is an option

[copper spruce]

Amy dream warrior fights qualify

[glossy mango]

and it doesn't pogo so you're relying on airtime frames

[fleet wadi]

how would hornet do in the path of pain?

compared to the knight

[worthy peak]

Surprisingly easy to hit barely

[worthy peak]

Marmu

[glossy mango]

half of the warrior dreams

[fleet wadi]

you just swat it away

[copper spruce]

That barely qualifies as a fight

[worthy peak]

Until they hit a wall/ floor just before you which is annoying to stop because there is randomness to where they aim and then as a result ignore knockback

Or they just tank through an entire shriek that's happened to me before

[knotty ravine]

Uncontested uumuu or marmu

[copper glacier]

thats the funny part, she doesn't.

[knotty ravine]

Pick ur poison

[glossy mango]

uumuu isn't so bad if you're in godhome

[worthy peak]

Also the fight is boring and feels easy mostly but is hell on radiant

[fleet wadi]

i do think she might do fine

[knotty ravine]

just fine tbh

[fleet wadi]

her better movement abilities

[glossy mango]

probably decent thanks to clawline

however it depends on the crest

[fleet wadi]

but no crystal dash would mess up some of them

[copper glacier]

oh yea clawline i forgot abt that

[glossy mango]

oh true

[fleet wadi]

yea clawline is gonna be the crystal dash replacement

while also floating with the cloak

[worthy peak]

Why do we have sk-discussiom here?

[glossy mango]

It literally iss

[copper spruce]

Grappling hook

[glossy mango]

same button

[worthy peak]

Please stop

[fleet wadi]

we're talking about path of pain

[worthy peak]

You mentioned sk abilities

[glossy mango]

and a character from hollow knight

[copper spruce]

Csn the terrarian clear path of pain

[fleet wadi]

so i should go to #sk-discussion and talk about a room from hollow knight

[worthy peak]

Hk- general is for both games

[fleet wadi]

hmmm

[worthy peak]

That's where

Now please delete all mentions of the ability

[glossy mango]

HK general sucks (I think)

[worthy peak]

Cause it's spoileds

[toxic basin]

godhome uumuu be like:

[fleet wadi]

clawline :3

[glossy mango]

silk soar :3

[fleet wadi]

i love silk soar

[worthy peak]

<@&283547423706447872>

[glossy mango]

ffs

[toxic basin]

why did you @ mod

[glossy mango]

do you know the meaning of fun

[quasi marsh]

P3 all bindings ! Finally go p4

[worthy peak]

Silksong spoilers in hk-discussion

[copper glacier]

lore accurate

[glossy mango]

hornet fucking dies in silksong

[quasi marsh]

Lmao

[copper glacier]

[glossy mango]

like at the beginning

[fleet wadi]

i think it's a bit excessive to say that the mention of hornet's abilities is a spoiler

[worthy peak]

I know that you could ruin people's fun in silksong with these spoilers

[worthy peak]

How is it not

[glossy mango]

you don't play as her you play as her twin sister the silksong

[glossy mango]

you could always leave

[worthy peak]

I went in to SK without that knowledge

[quasi marsh]

Clawline no but Silksoar is a spoiler i think

[glossy mango]

okay good for you

[fleet wadi]

they don't even know what silksoar means though

[worthy peak]

I literally got a controller to avoid having to look at keybinds to avoid ability names

[fleet wadi]

we haven't explained it

[quasi marsh]

U got a point

[glossy mango]

sure channels like these avoid story spoilers but if anyone wants a spoiler free experience of anything

[worthy peak]

What about ||clawline||

[glossy mango]

theyd stay out of any social media that's even remotely close to the topic

[fleet wadi]

still can't say for sure what that is

[worthy peak]

You mentioned it ||replaced cash||

[worthy peak]

Or you could listen to rules

[fleet wadi]

yea but didn't say how

[worthy peak]

Instead of forcing others out

[glossy mango]

thanks for completely ignoring my point

[quasi marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-flea-awoo-absolute-cinema-absolute-awoo-gif-13929526023089152064

[fleet wadi]

you are forcing us out of here tbh

[worthy peak]

Doesn't have to be intricate knowledge

[fleet wadi]

awoooo

[quasi marsh]

Awoooo

[glossy mango]

awoo!

[copper glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-flea-awoo-absolute-cinema-absolute-awoo-gif-13929526023089152064

[worthy peak]

You can stay here. You just can't discuss silksong in here

[fleet wadi]

[quasi marsh]

HOOOWW

[worthy peak]

It's different from being unable to be here completely

[ivory idol]

awooooo

[copper glacier]

image perms, 300 messages

[naive dew]

hgii

[quasi marsh]

Where do I get it ?

[fleet wadi]

AWOO

[glossy mango]

it's not about being ""unable"" it's about NOT WANTING TO

[copper glacier]

send 300 messages into the server

you will auto get it after that

[fleet wadi]

there are no flea stickers. sadge

[quasi marsh]

Oooh 😏 okay

[worthy peak]

Unable to without risking spoilers how about that.

[quasi marsh]

Thanks a lot

[glossy mango]

I personally didn't talk in this server until I beat silksong

[knotty ravine]

They’re two different games

[sour flax]

hello

[knotty ravine]

this is explicitly an hk channel

[glossy mango]

that's what the help channels are for

[quasi marsh]

Yes

[knotty ravine]

to talk about hk

[fleet wadi]

anyway we got into a debate

[copper glacier]

hi

[fleet wadi]

we kinda strayed off of path of pain as hornet

[quasi marsh]

But Silksong is HK Silksong soooo

[glossy mango]

and we're talking about path of pain smh

[worthy peak]

So like... What if you want to talk about HK but don't want help

And don't want silksong spoiled

[fleet wadi]

how would hornet do in path of pain?

[worthy peak]

So you look at the rules and it's like oh I'm safe

[fleet wadi]

go to the reddit

[worthy peak]

Turns out you are not

[toxic basin]

someone make path of pain mod rn

[fleet wadi]

on the reddit they do have to label their spoilers

[worthy peak]

You are very much trying to force people completely out in this case.

[lean quiver]

I finally managed to beat Pantheon 5

[worthy peak]

All cause you don't want to follow the rules

[fleet wadi]

no, i'm saying if you want absolutely no spoilers

[copper glacier]

[ivory idol]

GG!

[worthy peak]

When they have a channel for it!

[toxic basin]

👏 now do all bindings hitless

[fleet wadi]

you would go to a place when they are listed out for you

[lean quiver]

thanks

[jaunty breach]

Yeah treat please

[worthy peak]

Like there is a channel to go to to say this

[fleet wadi]

as spoilers

staying put

i think hornet would have an easier time

given she has better movement abilities for platforming

[glossy mango]

exactly

[worthy peak]

Just go in hk-general for this

It's the rules. Seriously

[lean quiver]

That's too much for me and besides I need to get other achievements (hopefully before Sea of Sorrow drops)

[fleet wadi]

what might make her worse at it?

[glossy mango]

lack of cdash probably and that's it

[fleet wadi]

it took 7 years to do it

[toxic basin]

yeah that's fair, it took like 7 years for someone to actually do it and upload proof

[glossy mango]

||clawline|| can replace dash and cdash a bit

[toxic basin]

gaahhh jinxed

[fleet wadi]

i think that other ability and the one from the mountain would help

[fleet wadi]

hornet has a dash though

its mechanics are different but

[glossy mango]

isn't ||faydown cloak|| same as ||monarch wings||

[fleet wadi]

still a dash

[copper glacier]

just do bindings dont do the whole hitless stuff

[fleet wadi]

oh i was thinking of faydown cloak

[toxic basin]

what do you get by doing all bindings again, I remember you get some lore stuff

[glossy mango]

I guess it could still work

[copper glacier]

weathered mask and bragging rights ig

[toxic basin]

lol

[knotty ravine]

Literally here

[glossy mango]

weathered mask and lifeblood

[glossy mango]

why here specifically

could be like yk outside the hollow knight server

[copper glacier]

no the lifeblood is only for 1-4 we talking about p5

[knotty ravine]

Bc it’s convenient and it’s also literally the rules in the channel?????????????

HK gen exists if u want to talk both hk and ss

[glossy mango]

HK general is just general it's hard to talk about anything in there tbf

okay maybe not

[glossy mango]

well you get more lifeblood...?

wait p5 doesn't count for lifeblood chamber?

Didn't know

[copper glacier]

dont think so nah its only 1-4 ment to help with P5 bindings

[glossy mango]

i mean the no spoiler rule is totally fair just

[lean quiver]

also at that point it won't matter

even if you got it

[glossy mango]

they're literally just ability names with little to no descriptions

the cdash comparison I'll admit was a spoiler

[glossy mango]

fair enough

well yeah weathered mask and that's it

same with void idol and seal of binding they don't have any achievements or % just that optional journal entry for bragging rights

[lean quiver]

yeah

[fleet wadi]

this debate has helped with my 300 messages goal

[glossy mango]

gg

[fleet wadi]

it's really important that i post the knight with the uwu face soon

[glossy mango]

Don't you have it already

[copper glacier]

i have died on P5 nail binding absrad last hit TWICE (i love myself :3)

[tired tapir]

what?

ohh

[quasi marsh]

Ouch rip man

[trail ruin]

I DID IT! 100% IN MINUS 20H!

[quasi marsh]

Ggggg

Steel soûl now 🙂‍↕️

[trail ruin]

Thanks

[copper glacier]

nevermind some spoiler argument it got resolved or something close to that

[tired tapir]

ah okay

[trail ruin]

I started it now!

[copper glacier]

dont have half a flukemarm fall on you like it did for me

[trail ruin]

I will do it!

[copper glacier]

im sure you will

[honest shale]

first thing i see when i come is a mod being confused by a ping

What the fuck happened

[copper glacier]

some stupid argument on something nothing important

[trail ruin]

[honest shale]

ok

thank you

[rigid halo]

Should i use flukenest in p5

[copper glacier]

depends on your playstyle

im not good with charms or charm damage crap so im not the best

[rigid halo]

Well i used to use homemade str build

[copper glacier]

i guess you can put it on and try it out

[rigid halo]

Well i need the best build for it

[forest mural]

.... Nevermind if I just get popped in conversation

[trail ruin]

Important thing to do

[royal harness]

I beat path of pain

[trail ruin]

GG!

[royal harness]

thx

[copper glacier]

my build is strength, quick, sharp shadow, and shaman/MoP (interchanged)

[royal harness]

it was TORTURE

[forest mural]

Nice Job, now defeat Pure Vessel

[royal harness]

._.

beat it on ascended

😄

[copper glacier]

DO BOUNDLESS INFINTY RADIANT

[forest mural]

Ascended....

Nice Can you do hitless

[royal harness]

no

[grand stream]

wich mods are good to make the game harder?

[forest mural]

💀

Use Boundless Infinity

Or Any Radiance 3.0

[copper glacier]

anyrad and boundless infinity now have fun

[grand stream]

okay

[forest mural]

And do it on Radiant Diffculty

[royal harness]

I know a few, broken legs. I think thats the name. Every time you jump or fall is a hard fall so you do the hard fall animation every time.

[rigid halo]

My build is str mark of prde quick slash grub ( the charm that let u generate soul whenever u get hit)

[grand stream]

thanks

[royal harness]

Its impossible with fall damage though cause every fall forces you to take a hit though

[copper glacier]

you want strength for P5 trust its the holy grail (unless doing a spell-only run)

[tropic nest]

10 notches?

[rigid halo]

No i am not

[copper glacier]

so use strength

[rigid halo]

There was a 1 notch charm but i forgot it ngl

[rigid halo]

Ok then time to spam my left click ig

[knotty ravine]

steady body?

[rigid halo]

Yes

[rigid halo]

Ummmmm

[copper glacier]

kornet

[fleet wadi]

it surprisingly works

[copper glacier]

Kornet, God of Weavers and Shade

Destroyer of Kingdoms

[sour flax]

kninet

[copper glacier]

Hnight

[fleet wadi]

john silksong

[copper glacier]

[honest shale]

@bitter jolt you should hop on this

[bitter jolt]

easy

[copper glacier]

get the big C in here

[bitter jolt]

https://youtu.be/HUdrbS3kFHw

[copper glacier]

[honest shale]

the joke is his alt account is literally called infinity enthusiast

[bitter jolt]

lol

[sour flax]

i didnt know where to put voidheart so i just made a tier for it

[bitter jolt]

not the dreamshield slander look

[sour flax]

dreamshield is just kinda

buns

[honest shale]

hes joking

[empty lynx]

r5 dreamshield only charm

[sour flax]

maybe if it was 2 dreamshields or if they rotated faster the lower ur hp is

or both

[empty lynx]

@gr hop

[empty lynx]

To me it's issue is that it like blocks barely anything

[digital grove]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10131775219258044191

[empty lynx]

2 shields would be broken

[sour flax]

yeah

[bitter jolt]

true

[prisma cradle]

Why is speintmaster this high

[empty lynx]

maybe a slight speed boost

[prisma cradle]

Stupid

[sour flax]

its peak...

[empty lynx]

Also why IS sprintmaster this high

[sour flax]

i love sprintmaster

[empty lynx]

it like

Doesn't boost dashing

Nor does it work in air

[sour flax]

cuz its not dashmaster

[worthy peak]

What's this based on

[eternal geyser]

is there any specific scenario where heavy blow is useful

[digital grove]

i love fury of the fallen

[empty lynx]

What i mean is that it like does nothing when dashing

[sour flax]

whats heavyblood

[empty lynx]

Wait why IS dashmaster lower wtf

[sour flax]

idk actually i just got bored

im in class

[digital grove]

what the scallop

focus on class not hk tier lists imo

[sour flax]

actually this tierlist sucks

[empty lynx]

Well you do use steadybody so like you are kinda based

i like you still

[foggy sable]

sbody haters unite

[eternal geyser]

heavy blow typo

[foggy sable]

where are all the other sbody haters...

[sour flax]

here we go

[digital grove]

dead

[honest shale]

you arent uniting with anyone

[sour flax]

wait why is grubsong in S

[sick heath]

Ghosts, alien eggs and zombie cats every event that spawns enemies this shit sucks

[sour flax]

leme demote grubsong rq

[foggy sable]

but what if I did

[sour flax]

actually nvm

[honest shale]

with who?

[sour flax]

i like grubsong

[foggy sable]

many people

[honest shale]

like?

[knotty ravine]

aight dawg

[honest shale]

Shit

[foggy sable]

many

[knotty ravine]

Me

Just equip dmaster

[sour flax]

i might have the best tierlists ever lowk

[knotty ravine]

Or upslash

[honest shale]

you might need a psychiatrist

[ebon depot]

https://youtu.be/DDtpiYZFZx8?is=FbDMBTicHVnIdDQC

[sour flax]

does anyone actually use dashmaster's downdash

[knotty ravine]

Me

[ebon depot]

Always will be always have been

[runic meteor]

tyt tolko anglichane?

[sour flax]

i considered dashmaster for white palace but after i thought about it for like a minute i decided not to

[foggy sable]

I don't understand what the video is saying

like, it is pv pillar hits idk

[naive dew]

its me guys

[honest shale]

YO FARBERG IM SUCH A MASSIVE FAN

[naive dew]

yo im farberg

[copper glacier]

can agree with the grimmchild in S

and wayward

[honest shale]

that joke is dead

it died in 2020

[copper glacier]

no it saved me so much during my playthroughs before i memorized the map

not joking

[sour flax]

to be clear pop and gh are the ones i havent gone to

[honest shale]

oh yeah i forgot overworld existed

[naive dew]

i hate godhome

[copper glacier]

bee

[honest shale]

But putting it next to grimmchild made me think the worst

[arctic lintel]

Maybe the true Hollow Knight is the friends we made along the way fellas

[honest shale]

no it was the r5

[copper glacier]

the true hollow knight

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-the-hollow-knight-thk-stab-gif-25367426

[naive dew]

godhome is so ass can everyone main overworld

[arctic lintel]

erm aktually its P5 not R5 (clueless)

[honest shale]

ow is so ass can everyone main godhome

[arctic lintel]

i just gotta beat P5 then i have 100% on HK

[honest shale]

p5 isnt a %

[sour flax]

what do we think of this

[honest shale]

unless you are refering to achievements

[arctic lintel]

nah i mean achievments

[copper glacier]

bee

[sour flax]

this was hard because b was occupied by the hive

[arctic lintel]

i alr got 112%

[naive dew]

hk is so ass can everyone main osu mania so i have people to play against

[honest shale]

wait you got speed completion, and steel heart before p5?

[naive dew]

normal

[arctic lintel]

yea LOL

"Anything but doing P5" as they say

[honest shale]

osu is so ass can everyone main deltarot

[quasi forge]

p5 is mid casue of badsrad

[honest shale]

absrad is a great boss

i will not tolerate absrad slander

[gleaming summit]

Absrad is annoying and killing her on radiant took forever

[naive dew]

p5 is like a lot of peoples final achievement

[ebon depot]

Its a joke regarding the "just hold forwards" argument people make against sbody, im doing pv pillars forward slash without sbody by accounting for the knockback

[naive dew]

something something climactic ending

[quasi forge]

nice one

[honest shale]

???

[arctic lintel]

i remember my last p5 attempt i got to winged nosk

so i gotta train for that

[dreamy hearth]

Hive is S, everything else looks good

[pearl sage]

Couldn't agree more

[foggy sable]

ah, I oppose sbody on moral grounds not how good it is

[pearl sage]

Good ranking

[sour flax]

is this peak

[pearl sage]

Deepnest is actually a pretty good area, it gets a lot of hate but it's actually stacked

[pearl sage]

Unemployed

[bitter jolt]

calling anyrad anybad was already unwarranted, now we have badsrad 😭

[sour flax]

if anyone disagrees with brokenvessel at S youre a d1 opp

[sour flax]

my finger hurts

[honest shale]

it has nosk, it has nosk, it even has nosk

[pearl sage]

So?

Nosk is pretty easy if you know what you're doing

[foggy sable]

anybad

[honest shale]

i like nosk

[sour flax]

nosk is one of like the 3 downsides with deepnest

[honest shale]

nosk is great

[sour flax]

2nd would be stalking devout and uh

[pearl sage]

Nosk was fun when I was doing all bosses hitless

[sour flax]

stalking devout

[bitter jolt]

that's true for every boss though

[sour flax]

i like nosk's thing

but his fight is

eugh

[toxic basin]

nosk is eh in fight

[sour flax]

i love his design tho

[pearl sage]

Your opinion

[sour flax]

and his whole thing

[pearl sage]

If you find Nosk bad then that's on you

[sour flax]

with the mimicking people

[honest shale]

specifically nail only nosk is really fun imo

[pearl sage]

I think I've done that before

[foggy sable]

nosk is just not a good fight

[pearl sage]

I rarely use spells on Nosk and when I say rarely I mean rarely

[honest shale]

you also dont play nosk

like ever

[foggy sable]

I've done rabono nosk

I know the fight

and also 04r, and rab, and radiant

[bitter jolt]

shriek spam is really good on nosk lol

[foggy sable]

and I did nosk in r2

[honest shale]

not what im saying

[bitter jolt]

dont even know went they let that happen

[pearl sage]

Eh idk I'm not saying it isn't I'm just saying I'm not used to using spells on Nosk

[honest shale]

i dont know where im going with this actually

[bitter jolt]

yeah I know, just a lot of people don't know cos you'd assume you wouldn't be able to shriek while he's in ceiling lol

[honest shale]

winged nosk pisses me off

only reason being i cant fight nosk in p5 bcs of it

[twin stump]

Aight idc if it's not meta but rate thus build
Weaver song, Grub song, shamen stone, spell twister, sprintmaster and then 2 notches for what ever

[modern geyser]

Based

[sour flax]

truly the tierlist oat

based off enjoyment

[foggy sable]

rate it for what

[sour flax]

the reason mmc is in b was because the fight was funny

[twin stump]

Ig for beating pantheons

[foggy sable]

6/10

[median marten]

my stomach just made a fire beat

[foggy sable]

it has shaman and twister so isn't the worst but it isn't great

[sour flax]

you could maybe put soul tyrant in A

[twin stump]

There are 2 free notches to use

[bitter jolt]

7sqrt(-1)/10

[sour flax]

and hive knight

leme move hiveknight down to a

[foggy sable]

the last 2 probably go to nmg so you can have some actual nail damage and idk dream wielder or something

[median marten]

but sprint master bad

[sour flax]

gonna promote broken vessel

[sour flax]

no

ur bad!!!!

[median marten]

Maybe put nmg in the last 2 slots

[sour flax]

i am the sprintmaster enjoyer

[median marten]

and ste a dy body

[twin stump]

Actually it synergies with the weavers, makes them move faster and jump higher

[median marten]

Wait whats this build for

[median marten]

Oh i see

[sour flax]

new tierlist

[median marten]

lost kin

[sour flax]

is buns

[median marten]

imo a tier

[sour flax]

broken vessel was leagues harder

lost kin is so stagger prone

[median marten]

?

[sour flax]

and it loses its hardest move (this might be only me)

[median marten]

Did you do lost kin later when you had more stuff

[honest shale]

losing them dps

[arctic lintel]

praytell what is the ranking based off of

[sour flax]

fun

[arctic lintel]

i see

[honest shale]

bcs they are on the enemy hitbox less

[sour flax]

i mentioned it earlier should have said it again

[fiery trench]

not where I would place them but to each their own ig

[median marten]

i agree with this

[sour flax]

sprintmaster slander shall not be tolerated

also where is kingsoul

[bitter jolt]

grimmchild should be in b at least for trying his best

[foggy sable]

kingsoul isn't real

[sour flax]

was it so bad it didnt even make the tierlist

[foggy sable]

and sprintmaster slander is always warranted

[sour flax]

grimmchild is in s because of the moral support

just LOOK at the lil guy

hes so CUTEEE

[fiery trench]

weaversong in B tier
I’ll take it

[modern geyser]

Sharp shadow is good once you learn it

[foggy sable]

no it isn't

[median marten]

kingsoul is good for platforming and exploration imo

[foggy sable]

kingsoul gets replaced in about 4 seconds

[median marten]

i think it deserves a tier

[honest shale]

professional lier

[sour flax]

no

[foggy sable]

so doesn't deserve to get rated

[sour flax]

are we fr

[fiery trench]

ok but where r u exploring with kingsoul

[sour flax]

dude its 5 notches

[honest shale]

its only real use is flower quest

[median marten]

like everywhere

[sour flax]

soul catcher, a 2 notch charm you can get at the start of the game gives you more soul

[foggy sable]

just overcharm eater for flower quest

[median marten]

ig its too expensive

the effect by itself is rly good

[sour flax]

and at THAT point you probably have eater, quickslash or literally ANYTHING else

[fiery trench]

dawg I literally had no where to go after getting kingsoul the first time

[sour flax]

isnt it like 4 soul every like 3 seconds

4 every 2

[fiery trench]

its not that the effect is bad
just that it comes too late and cost too much to have major use

[honest shale]

its worth less than the average 1 notch

[sour flax]

kingsoul would be decent if it was 1 notch or just 0 notches because the soulgain is just buns

maybe 1 notch or 0 is pushing it

[bitter jolt]

no wait but then it would discoursge players from getting void heart

[sour flax]

but 5 is like the most expensive charm in the game

[bitter jolt]

it's not meant to be good, meant to be for storytelling

[sour flax]

then just like give voidheart the same thing idk

[sour flax]

idk if that justifies the 5 notch cost

[fiery trench]

the issue is how do you balance a charm that provides free soul but is meant to be replaced

[bitter jolt]

passive soul gain op

[honest shale]

thats op

[fiery trench]

ok but then u just have free passive healing

[sour flax]

true

what if we just made kingsoul do nothing but have 0 charm cost

[bitter jolt]

yeah but maybe making it the highest notch cost in the game was a way to signify it was important? idk

[sour flax]

maybe made you like 1 ft taller

[arctic lintel]

if im being honest i never use the nail arts LOL

[sour flax]

and gave you drip

idk

[fiery trench]

then players dont feel rewarded for obtaining it

[honest shale]

now no one will find the birthplace

[sour flax]

i dont know how youre supposed to make kingsoul balanced

[arctic lintel]

What if we just made kingsoul do nothing but have 8 charm slot costs

[sour flax]

what if you could eat kingsoul

[honest shale]

you arent

[sour flax]

and become a king

with a soul

🧠

paleking^2 ending???

[fiery trench]

well if u have max upgrade nail its only really useful for one permutation of one fight
if u have the weakest nail, or lack access to the 2 most slappable charms, then they become quite good

[modern geyser]

A person who thinks all the time

[fiery trench]

could lower the charm cost by one and just one

[honest shale]

narts are good for more than 1 fight in max equipment

[fiery trench]

make it equal to hiveblood

[sour flax]

we should lock kingsoul behind pop for fun

[fiery trench]

spare the casual fans

[sour flax]

i AM a casual fan

[compact wasp]

fr though that would be fun

[fiery trench]

also that just invalidates like half of white palace

[sour flax]

no it doesnt

[compact wasp]

but that just invalidates white palace

[tropic nest]

with full gear i use narts quite a bit on
gorb soul warrior o&m oblobbles sob sheo tmg watchers sly noeyes traitor lord (intro) white defender (intro) markoth zote (cyclone on drop) fc nkg absrad
theyre very very useful, not just for ab collector

[compact wasp]

and path of pain as a whole

[sour flax]

make white palace give you a hallownest seal or smth

[compact wasp]

no that won't make sense

[fiery trench]

no one gonna do wp for a hallownest seal

[compact wasp]

path of pain hides the single biggest secret that doomed hallownest. There is no reason for it to hold the kingsoul which is NOT the said secret

[sour flax]

greedy hk players wanting loot for 5 hours of pure tears and assclenching

[foggy sable]

weirdly I don't use nail arts in most of those fights full equipment

[sour flax]

what if we locked gorb behind pop

[compact wasp]

lock pure vessel behind pop

[sour flax]

and gorb 1v1'd the 2 kingsmoulds at the end

[fiery trench]

if we remove his requirement for p1, sure

[compact wasp]

without a bench.

[fiery trench]

got a mod for people like u

[sour flax]

no you need gorb for access to godhome and the temple of the black egg

[compact wasp]

I have played that mod. I mean in canon

[sour flax]

and uh white palace

and the abyss

also we can remove hornet sentinel cuz theres 0 need for the kings brand because gorb

ascend with gorb!!!

[compact wasp]

please never write hollow knight's story lol

[sour flax]

well technically itd be descend with gorb

[agile pewter]

cough cough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3XZ5y_r7W8

[sour flax]

because we go to the abyss

[agile pewter]

[fiery trench]

I dont get the gorb hype
I’m not that big of a fan

[honest shale]

absrad, oblobbles, white defender, hornet 1, mantis lords, sob, sheo, flukemarm, jevil, tmg, nkg + some im forgetting

[sour flax]

idk either

[fiery trench]

fight’s not even that fun

[sour flax]

gorb is just funny

[compact wasp]

people uniroincally use nail arts for absrad?

[fiery trench]

tf is Jevil doing there?

[agile pewter]

ah yes
jevil

[honest shale]

i am people

[sour flax]

whats sob and jevil

is sob sisters of battle?

[compact wasp]

and MANTIS LORDS?

WHERE ARE YOU GETTING TIME FOR THAT?

[fiery trench]

SoB: Sisters of Battle

[honest shale]

jevil is a deltarune boss

[sour flax]

ohhh

[honest shale]

1 mantis

[sour flax]

the jester guy?

[compact wasp]

dude at that point just use spells

why tf nail arts?

[fiery trench]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-dance-bounce-bouncing-jump-gif-27487642

[tropic nest]

cyclone for soul on intro
great/dash slash whenever on ground/plats
dash slash exists for final but its boring

[honest shale]

more fun

[sour flax]

OHHH

[agile pewter]

i do actually have hitless jevil
https://youtu.be/CO3N8aoGzJc?si=r04JHDW7RkSq7mNE
barely any views tho

[sour flax]

thats his name???

can we talk about hornet 1 with nail arts tho??

[empty lynx]

Now do it at 2x speed

[sour flax]

why would you need nail arts for hornet 1

[empty lynx]

Only cyclone in intro

[compact wasp]

okay this is the one game where I actually compare to you in something jesus

[sour flax]

hornet 1 is literally hornet 1

[fiery trench]

no one watches ch1 content
or base dr content atp

[compact wasp]

I have done all secret bosses no hit in deltarune

[empty lynx]

Intro cyclone = consistent stagger

[compact wasp]

so that's..something

[sour flax]

yknow what we should do

[honest shale]

it can be done slightly faster with a starting cyclone

[compact wasp]

including the chapter 3 secret boss

[agile pewter]

okay but like

it's hitless jevil

[fiery trench]

my only accomplishment is Roaring Knight with beginning gear and ch1 stats

[empty lynx]

Big G harder anyway

[compact wasp]

who tf was big G again?

[empty lynx]

Gerson

[compact wasp]

oh I first tried him

[sour flax]

we should remove hornet sentinel, replace crawlids with tiktiks and remove hornet sentinel

[empty lynx]

harder to no hit imo

[honest shale]

the roaring fraud or john mantle?

[compact wasp]

he was actually kinda bs in easy

[fiery trench]

Justice for Jevil
real hardest dr gameplay secret boss

[empty lynx]

we talking no hits or

[worthy peak]

R5 multiplayer clear.

[compact wasp]

for no hits, gerson took like 12 tries

[empty lynx]

A man of ideas

[compact wasp]

while roaring knight took 43

[sour flax]

we should also remove the radiance's orb attack

[tropic nest]

fire

[worthy peak]

But it's the best attack

[sour flax]

and we should replace the radiance with broken vessel

[mental kraken]

i can get behind this

[fiery trench]

never

[worthy peak]

Most easily punishable nail only imo

[compact wasp]

let the orb stay but stop making it invinciible when it spawns

[empty lynx]

Then iam prolly just biased cuz of mobile

[sour flax]

wait you can KILL THE ORB??

[mental kraken]

omg yes

[sour flax]

WHAT WHAT WHAT

[compact wasp]

ye dash through it

[sour flax]

I DIDNT KNOW YOU COULD KILL THE ORB

[mental kraken]

or the damn lingering hitbox

[sour flax]

oh wow

i thought i could shank it

[tropic nest]

mobile joystick would do that
with arrows gerson hitless took maybe half an hour

[pearl sage]

Everyone would be able to do Abs Rad hitless if this happens

[mental kraken]

dash, invincibility, or ground

[sour flax]

good

[compact wasp]

gerson is easier than undyne the undying imo

[fiery trench]

how about making the attacks in the radiance fight actually visible

[mental kraken]

or top of the screen for final

[sour flax]

jerry is better anyway

[mental kraken]

you just change the background

[sour flax]

stupidass moth

[fiery trench]

to be fair
one is training
the other wants u dead

[mental kraken]

but yeah that's an issue

[compact wasp]

damn atleast she doesn't want me dead

[sour flax]

why does the ball attack spawn on you tho

[pearl sage]

Never played Undertale or Deltarune

[compact wasp]

cuz fuck you

[pearl sage]

Idk what you guys are talking about

[empty lynx]

peek the fourth clip the arrow genuinely phased

[fiery trench]

good
dont

[agile pewter]

anyway back to hk :3
https://youtu.be/vOL2Wk96DeE

[worthy peak]

It's really not the main threat though t

[mental kraken]

ponder self promoting smh my head 🐁

[empty lynx]

I no hit rk like 50 times tho so iam probably biased (can't fight them anymore )

[compact wasp]

man i finish my exams for maths tomorrow

all day p4ab attempts probably

[fiery trench]

why do enjoy torturing urself like this

[empty lynx]

Content

[fiery trench]

fair enough

[compact wasp]

also that shit is somehow fun

idk how it even is, but its weirdly enjoyable

[tropic nest]

p4ab is a good run

[mental kraken]

fun

[pearl sage]

I'd rather do R4 than P4ab

[compact wasp]

unironically its because the base game was too easy

[tropic nest]

Yes im too lazy to finish r4ab rn but its fun

[compact wasp]

that's why people do that

[pearl sage]

P4ab needs patience I don't have that

[foggy sable]

I don't understand how you can be running r5 and not do p4ab in like, 2 tries

[fiery trench]

I actually had fun with that

[honest shale]

we see the sporgs leon

[compact wasp]

grey, you sound like telling a homeless person to buy a house rn

[sour flax]

whats the lowest amount of bosses you need to kill without glitches

[compact wasp]

3

[sour flax]

basically low% glitchless

[compact wasp]

wait I don't actually remember

[foggy sable]

maybe you will be a p5ab>r5 truther one day surely

[fiery trench]

kill kill or beat kill

[compact wasp]

ye give it a few weeks probably

[honest shale]

uumuu, watchers, thk

[compact wasp]

but I am starting to find ab fun

[sour flax]

cuz uumuu and watcher knights are required

[compact wasp]

me love dash slashing

[sour flax]

do u need lantern for herrah

[tropic nest]

is that a progression arrow or difficulty
-# does it matter?

[compact wasp]

so I was correct

[sour flax]

assuming you dont memorise the rooms

[pearl sage]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297233060403875963/1386148259621503026/ezgif.com-crop_2.gif

[compact wasp]

difficulty

[tropic nest]

sure

[foggy sable]

idk I just wanted to say something

[honest shale]

maybe you will end this bit one day

[warped siren]

hi all, is there a way to get to bardoon without monarch wings?

[molten yoke]

Hai gr!!!

[fiery trench]

aspid pogo’s :)

[warped siren]

kinda need it for an archipelago game

[pearl sage]

Ehh probably aspid pogo

[foggy sable]

hiiiiiiii

[molten yoke]

Hruuuuu?

[warped siren]

yeah that's what i figured, good to know

[compact wasp]

honestly if I judge by vibes right now I would say smth like p1 < p2 < p3 < p1ab <p4 < p2ab < p4ab <p5 < p3ab < p5ab < r5

[tropic nest]

probably put the same time into both by now and nowhere close to a winning r5 run

[pearl sage]

You can navigate through Kingdom's Edge easily without wings if you know how to do aspid pogos

[fiery trench]

unironically primal aspids are one of my favorite enemies
so useful for so many different segments

[foggy sable]

I'm fine hru

[molten yoke]

So dead from school omg

[pearl sage]

I have a really bad headche that doesn't allow me to understand a single word in this message

[sour flax]

primal aspids are only annoying in the colosseums

[compact wasp]

difficulty basically

just my current opinion on it

[warped siren]

alright, yeah i need to access lifeblood cocoon and hive especially but i guess getting more checks in kingdoms edge in general is good

[compact wasp]

subject to change

[sour flax]

i dont have a headache and i dont understand it at all

[compact wasp]

p stands for pantheon

[sour flax]

wahts r5

[tropic nest]

p5 hitless

[compact wasp]

r5 is hitless pantheon 5

[pearl sage]

Hitless pantheon 5

[fiery trench]

radiant pantheon 5

sorry I dont have p5 hitless on clipboard teqnok

[naive dew]

tryna become faster ❤️

[compact wasp]

...stop tempting me

[pearl sage]

Man you're superhuman

[honest shale]

what game

[compact wasp]

osu mania

[naive dew]

idk how i hit 19 seconds + lmao

[honest shale]

doesnt look like osu to me

[compact wasp]

mania game mode

[naive dew]

i literallyh held combo on that and its 56 kps vibro

[compact wasp]

not standard

[pearl sage]

If I tried this I'll get overwhelmed and I'd probably end up smashing my keyboard

LOL what was that spelling

[naive dew]

i wonder if i can record my keyboard

[pearl sage]

You can relay the controls if you have input overlay but if you mean irl you probably need to set up a camera or something

[shrewd nymph]

💀💀💀💀💀

[sour flax]

use sprintmaster

it makes you faster

and buy the hornet sentinel sucks merch

hold up

my canva isnt letting me log in

[honest shale]

skill issue

just log in better

[sour flax]

shhh

[shrewd meadow]

go slower you're too fast

[strange viper]

Guys should I just use full charm nail build or stick with spells

[honest shale]

go to bed it’s nearly 3 am

[umbral night]

Hybrid nail + spell is damage optimal i think

Unless fury strength

[naive dew]

at 19 seconds you get teh full experience of how this speed sounds

esxcept i run out of stamina so i becomje slow

[honest shale]

go home

you’re drunk

[sour flax]

no

[zinc delta]

hello everynyan