hk-discussion

[frozen hull]

Not enough Flukemarm

Aka only good part of HK

[storm flax]

Six seven

[frozen hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1429873974367490048/1486669626464276611/togif.gif

[foggy sable]

bad take

so bad

[obtuse pebble]

hey what about pure vessel

[wary hound]

guh

[obtuse pebble]

i like that guy

[frozen hull]

Piss vessel

[wary hound]

GUH

[foggy sable]

see list for reference

[frozen hull]

Everyone at Marmu except Flukemarm who's at Favorites

Actually no, rename favorites to Flukemarm

[storm flax]

Sorry sunny :3

[obtuse pebble]

Woah wth

Rigged

[frozen hull]

?av sun_falls

[idle belfry]

sun\_falls

Server Avatar

[foggy sable]

it is truth

[wary hound]

coolio

[frozen hull]

Didn't even download the image lmao

[dusky coral]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-18338667365126853250

[wary hound]

guh 😭

[obtuse pebble]

May I ask why flukemarm is in average

[foggy sable]

no, it is the objective unbiased truth

[foggy sable]

I feel nothing about the fight, just kill it and move on

[frozen hull]

Yeah, why isn't Flukemommy in Favorites

[autumn ice]

it is the takes of someone who has played the game for a very long time

[obtuse pebble]

I agree with dusk

[dusky coral]

[foggy sable]

good takes you mean

[autumn ice]

i did not say anything regarding their quality

[obtuse pebble]

the takes are as good as gpz

[foggy sable]

although I almost lost all my brain cells on absrad recently so I may have to move the fight down tbh

[foggy sable]

so great

[autumn ice]

if absrad is moving down something is going terribly wrong

[foggy sable]

rab ono absrad...

[obtuse pebble]

you’re actually insane

[foggy sable]

7 hours of just mostly suffering but also it was fun so like who knows

[autumn ice]

damn trying to one up me thats so rude

[foggy sable]

hm?

[autumn ice]

i liked ono absrad

[dusky coral]

GPZ is a fun boss but the rest of your takes are not shaw

[autumn ice]

radabsrad ofc

[foggy sable]

I just went from 04r to rab ono so it was a bit rough

[obtuse pebble]

I somewhat agree with this but this is coming from someone who beat boundless inf so what can I say

[foggy sable]

they are for the most part

[foggy sable]

very good takes

[autumn ice]

i also get the feeling that discussing that tierlist will not lead anywhere

like the discussion will be even more worthless than the average tierlist discussion

[foggy sable]

yes but nothing was happening here anyway so

it is an improvement

[autumn ice]

couldnt comment i wasnt there

but sure

[dusky coral]

Binf is incredibly fun

[foggy sable]

you did rabono absrad right by the looks of it, did you do it for gpz because Im' working on that soon enough

[autumn ice]

and i do get posting boss tierlists is fun, i kinda want to make the most ragebaity silksong boss tierlist based on rs4 that i can still justify and post that somewhere

[obtuse pebble]

I found pure vessel very fun

[autumn ice]

seems really funny

[autumn ice]

nah just absrad

[dusky coral]

Binf is pv but more fun

[foggy sable]

the funny thing is the most effective thing to annoy people isn't tierlists

[obtuse pebble]

I wanna try it but im console

[dusky coral]

Awh 😔

[autumn ice]

it's p5ab > r5 it's true

[wary hound]

anyrad is pv but
like
anyrad

[autumn ice]

what

[foggy sable]

I feel obliged to do it for zote because I did all the other main 6 p5ab bosses except collector for it

[dusky coral]

what

[autumn ice]

yea idk go for it

i literally have no idea how good or bad it is lol

but it's gpz so how bad can it be

worst case it's r5ab prep gg

[foggy sable]

it feels like it will be harder than absrad was

[dusky coral]

anyrad is radiance if it was on the amount of caffeine an engineer takes per day

[foggy sable]

but it is too early to tell

[autumn ice]

yeah that sounds pretty true

absrad feels like she'd get more consistent eventually even though i think there's a decent bit to learn with her still

[foggy sable]

absrad shouldn't have taken 7 hours

that was unusual

[autumn ice]

most of my absrad progress came when i realized that i did not in fact have to run in like a monkey during plats

but playing hyper defensive for that long is rough

[foggy sable]

plats was rough

it took like 10-20 plats runs to get past it

[autumn ice]

i lost a run only a few hits off lethal in final phase lmao

that was "fun"

[hollow forge]

there is no reason the orbs should pass through platforms for the first second they spawn

[foggy sable]

at least I didn't lose a run in climb or final

a few hits off sounds so awful

[hollow forge]

genuine run killer

[autumn ice]

if you lose a run to climb you actually uninstall tho

[foggy sable]

in rab I think climb is my worst phase

[autumn ice]

that sounds so fake

is rab that free otherwise

[foggy sable]

it is real unfortunately

[autumn ice]

i mean idk what im expecting with difficulty takes from you

[foggy sable]

the only reasons I don't have an radabsrad win streak of over 5 is climb

[autumn ice]

that's par for the course atp

[foggy sable]

surely you mean good difficulty takes

[autumn ice]

i will simply say that this is a take that fits you

and not pass judgement

[foggy sable]

hmm

anyway gpz could be rather tricky

[obtuse pebble]

Hi friends

[autumn ice]

theres minions i already died

[foggy sable]

intermediary steps before rab ono are good

the minions are very unfortunate

[obtuse pebble]

Why am I being ignored

should I just leave?

[foggy sable]

well there is already a discussion

[obtuse pebble]

Just say you hate me

[autumn ice]

a good player will simply not have gpz summon

[foggy sable]

you can just join it without needing to be acknowledged beforehand

so true

[obtuse pebble]

no I prefer acknowledgement

[autumn ice]

you will generally have people acknowledge you when you say something they want to respond to

[obtuse pebble]

ok ok I get it you don’t want me here

[foggy sable]

I'm thinking of running 04r collector still but committing to doing so is fairly daunting

[autumn ice]

just drop the r part for a bit and do some runs to get a vibe?

[obtuse pebble]

ok

[foggy sable]

I've done 04 already

[autumn ice]

no need to commit before feeling the fight out

well yea but idk do low hits whatever

[obtuse pebble]

alr

[foggy sable]

hm true

[obtuse pebble]

yh fr

[autumn ice]

i get what youre saying but committing doesnt have to be a big thing

just do runs the way you feel like it and the transition to 04r attempts will come naturally i imagine

and if not well the challenge sucks dont do it? idk

[foggy sable]

probably a good idea

[autumn ice]

just in general i find that it's easy to make commitment like that into too big of a deal

[foggy sable]

with a pantheon that is the usual strategy but it feels so different for single boss fights

[autumn ice]

literally just play and good things will happen

[idle belfry]

@sick heath tails

[sick heath]

heartbreaking

[foggy sable]

I do wonder how challenges like rabono gpz or absrad compare in difficulty tbh

it is a bit impossible to be unbiased on that front

[autumn ice]

the more challenges differ in length the less reasonable will the comparison be i find

[foggy sable]

true

[autumn ice]

the more does it depend on just personal affinity to challenges of the respective length and stuff

but yea idk r5 is probably harder than ono radabsrad?

[foggy sable]

I would probably think so

[autumn ice]

p5ab... uhh no clue lmao

gut says no but it's been years for both and i did them with radically different skill levels so whatever

[foggy sable]

but I would do r5 more consistently than rabono absrad so it is difficult to draw comparisons

[autumn ice]

0% chance my opionion counts for this

[tulip narwhal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/757049474333016107/1453574746867241114/tenor.gif

[autumn ice]

well okay here's another thing that makes difficulty comparisons of challenges with different completed run lengths hard

how do you define difficulty

[obtuse pebble]

☀️

[foggy sable]

absrad is more technically demanding for sure and is fairly long but the similarity of the fight the whole way makes it a bit easier than a varied challenge

[autumn ice]

how much you favor attempt count vs time taken will have a big influence on what you consider to be harder

[foggy sable]

good point

comparing time taken for challenges if you do them at different levels of skill is also fairly pointless

[autumn ice]

i'm honestly in the fully raw time taken compartment for anything that is not so technically demanding that a physical aspect becomes a real concern

[vernal knot]

Hello everyone

[autumn ice]

because the only way to not succeed at something you are physically able to do is to give up

and the longer you take the more likely you are to give up, thus "failing"

(in quotation marks because giving up and failing here does not need to be negative, if you dont wanna keep going dont)

also hi floggy

[obtuse pebble]

No one here acknowledges people like us

[foggy sable]

long challenges to have more factors other than just technical knowledge yes

[vernal knot]

What is this supposed to mean

[obtuse pebble]

I said hi to

no one said hi back

[autumn ice]

yea this is another thing

[vernal knot]

Maybe if I ping one of them I'll be greeted

[livid trail]

Guys I’m trying to fight broken vessel for first time I’m very close I need a good charm build I use prides mark lifeblood heart and grubsong

[vernal knot]

@foggy sable Gray can you greet me

[obtuse pebble]

great idea

[foggy sable]

rabono absrad is certainly more fun anyway so that is a (unrelated( plus

[autumn ice]

at the end of the day difficulty rankings are just vibes lmao

[foggy sable]

hiii mega

[obtuse pebble]

damn

[vernal knot]

What do you have available

[obtuse pebble]

WHAT

[foggy sable]

true true

[vernal knot]

What yall talking about

[autumn ice]

and yeah how fun a challenge is is more important anyways

[obtuse pebble]

@foggy sable Hi

[livid trail]

Idk I’m not on rn

[autumn ice]

fun challenges are easier because you're more likely to pull through theory?

[foggy sable]

challenge runs

[vernal knot]

As usual

[autumn ice]

honestly not such an unreasonable stance to have

[foggy sable]

and you are more likely to not just be going through the motions playing them

[autumn ice]

though it probably neglects the time commitment aspect a little too much

idk this topic is pretty interesting but it's hard to come to statisfying conclusions

[livid trail]

Dream shield lifeblood heart fury of the fallen long nail mark of pride sharpened nail spell twister grubsong dashmaster soul catcher and stalwart

[autumn ice]

it is pretty neat how much a consensus can form on something as abstact as difficulty though

[foggy sable]

too much of difficulty is specific skill sets

[livid trail]

And 6 notches

[foggy sable]

and the opinion of people around you factor into what you think is difficult

[autumn ice]

i imagine part of this is herd mentality but it is pretty fun to see how a lot of the time there a fairly reasonable take tends to form when you consider enough people

[autumn ice]

that too yea

[livid trail]

Did mega leave

[autumn ice]

imagine if i was not decent at hk and would actually have to believe your takes

that'd be terrible for my evaluations

[foggy sable]

the more people you have the less chance you have of opinions just being outliers I think

[autumn ice]

(ok maybe im flaming you a litte too much with this sorry lol)

[autumn ice]

yea

[foggy sable]

I know my opinions are unusual

[autumn ice]

and i do also think it's nice that it's pretty easy to tell a lot of the time that you yourself are an outlier?

[dusky coral]

"thorns enjoyer"

[foggy sable]

I think that comes from having not much influence from other runners and being an outlier in how r5 went

[subtle glacier]

[autumn ice]

yea figured just dont wanna go in too hard on that if youre not comfortable lol

[foggy sable]

I can just accept that everyone has a different opinion unless it is actively being discussed

[autumn ice]

(to be clear this is not referring to you, this is a general thing)

[rustic apex]

maannn i fucking suck getting back into hk

[subtle glacier]

go on a bingy arc imo

[foggy sable]

also I know that I am just wrong on some things

[autumn ice]

like i also have some takes on and experiences with challenges (not necessarily hk) that i think are pretty off but i usually feel like i can tell when that happens

and that's really interesting to me

[livid trail]

Can someone help me with a good loadout
to beat broken vessel I have Dream shield lifeblood heart fury of the fallen long nail mark of pride sharpened nail spell twister grubsong dashmaster soul catcher and stalwart and also 6 notches

[foggy sable]

the easiest way to tell when it happens is when everyone disagrees

[autumn ice]

lmao yea

[foggy sable]

when I joined here those opinions were... not well recieved

[rustic apex]

thpse are the charms yo have or that are equipped?

[subtle glacier]

have

[livid trail]

I have

[subtle glacier]

not relevant or helpful but
this would mark a minimum of 3 bingy goals

[rustic apex]

get shaman stone, use spell twiser with it,

the last notch is up to you

[subtle glacier]

that would be another bingy goal

[livid trail]

Ok I just don’t have stag in basin

And idk how to get out

[rustic apex]

oh

[livid trail]

Ngl

[subtle glacier]

you will be able to get to the stag after broken vessel

[livid trail]

Bc waterways is confusing

[subtle glacier]

don't worry about it too much

[rustic apex]

just thick it out with long nail, spell twister, and spam dd

or if you dont have descending dark its dive

[livid trail]

I use mark of pride grubsong and lifeblood

[rustic apex]

grubsong and lifeblood will be bad for it

[livid trail]

Yeah I got desolate dive

[subtle glacier]

not bad,

[livid trail]

Really?

[subtle glacier]

all three of those charms make sense to me

from your selection

[digital grove]

funne

[livid trail]

Made the most sense to me

[rustic apex]

if youre gonna play that just play passively

[livid trail]

Why dream shield of all charms bro

[subtle glacier]

i think id probably replace lbh with dashmaster but its your first playthrough extra health is good value

[livid trail]

I play passive and a little agro

I love dd

[rustic apex]

abuse the i-frames

ESPECIALLY when he does the spam orb thingy

[coarse terrace]

i just beat the radiance!!

[livid trail]

Yeah I do

When he spams orbs I spam dd

[fiery trench]

who we talkin about?

[livid trail]

I frames matter

Broken vessel

[fiery trench]

ah

I just do nail hits during that attack
not that big of a spell user tbh

[coarse terrace]

if ur strugging on the balloons bv spawns u can use defenders crest

[livid trail]

Yeah

[coarse terrace]

yeah same

[livid trail]

I spam dd for invincibility frames

[coarse terrace]

i didnt use spells while beating the hollow knight or radiance bc i forgot😭

[fiery trench]

the balloons arent that bad
specially with qs

[livid trail]

Yeah

[coarse terrace]

yeah but the lost kin ones are lol

[livid trail]

Balloons are easy to deal with

Lost kin is pain I tried him at a friends

Bc my friend wants radiance ending

[fiery trench]

I still do those fights without minions or dcrest
feels more fun imo

[coarse terrace]

defenders crest carried me through lost kin lmao

[fiery trench]

Well LK isnt a necessity
-# fortunate for those who struggle on that fight

[coarse terrace]

there are 5 endings right

[livid trail]

6

[coarse terrace]

i have 3

[livid trail]

I have 🍩

[coarse terrace]

the regular one seald siblings and the radiance one

[livid trail]

0

[coarse terrace]

how do i get the other 3

[livid trail]

Godhome and white flower

[coarse terrace]

white flower

[livid trail]

Idk bout last

[coarse terrace]

😭😭

[fiery trench]

delicate flower

[livid trail]

Flower ending sucks

[coarse terrace]

im never doing that lmao

[livid trail]

Have any of you guys 112ed

[coarse terrace]

im not a masochist

[livid trail]

I’m at like 30%

[coarse terrace]

im gonna try to

im at 89

[livid trail]

Idk how but my friend did 3 times

[fiery trench]

just godhome w/flower given
godhome w/o flower given
and Mr. Mushroom

[sly mango]

Its like a bazillion times easier if you clear out the path of major enemies beforehand

[livid trail]

Yeah

[coarse terrace]

do they not respawn

[fiery trench]

I have a steel soul save at 112%

[sly mango]

The major ones don't

[fiery trench]

not if u dont bench

[livid trail]

Wow

[foggy sable]

wow that is a lot of %

[livid trail]

You got a pic?

[sly mango]

Its only the parkour at the end you need to worry about

[fiery trench]

not rn
kinda in a car

[livid trail]

I’m 29%

If I could add pic I would

[fiery trench]

and the room respawn enemies
easy to forget those ones

[livid trail]

Tbh I would say 29% is halfway for a few reasons

[fiery trench]

percent based progression marks in hk is weird considering u only need claw, isma/cheart, and dnail for base ending

[livid trail]

Yeah

My friend has 2 endings at 86%

[fiery trench]

Top one is steel soul
bottom is my main save/mod save

[wispy sky]

guys i beat false knight 10 mins into a save

is that good

[livid trail]

Damn

Yeah

[wispy sky]

i just got the map and rushed straight to false knight

[frozen hull]

I could probably do that

[wispy sky]

im trying to get the speedrun achievements

[frozen hull]

Wouldn't need the map though

[wispy sky]

the 10 hour one seems doable but the other one is scary

[fiery trench]

base ending in 5 hours

not that bad once u know what u really need

[rotund geyser]

can you dream nail unn? it never occurred to me

[wispy sky]

im prob not even gonna do broken vessel

[frozen hull]

What

[coral marlin]

Did Traitor Lord always have 2 masks of contact damage or did the patch do that?

[frozen hull]

It's required lmao

[wispy sky]

watcher knights skip

[rotund geyser]

always I’m afraid

[fiery trench]

probably not
they probably have dnail dialogue tho

[frozen hull]

Was that all Wings is used for

[wispy sky]

you cam get to watcher knights without monarch wings

[rotund geyser]

I don’t know if unn is close enough to dnail

[fiery trench]

for replacement ending, yes

[frozen hull]

Lame

[fiery trench]

I just found out PV is immune to bullets
cool

that brings the number of bullet immune bosses up to 2

[umbral night]

I beat hornet 11 mins into the save
10 mins if i am able to get both fireball skips

[frozen hull]

https://tenor.com/view/jigsaw-tweaking-jigsaw-gif-9771344477130696767

[umbral night]

What if i send proof of 11 mins

[fiery trench]

I cant do fireball skips for the life of me

acid skips on the other hand

[umbral night]

It's maybe easier on keybpard

[frozen hull]

I can only do Squit Skip

[fiery trench]

I’m on keyboard

[fiery trench]

same

yknow, excluding previously stated info

[umbral night]

I'll send a 30 min yt video
Cuz that's the only one where i have killed hornet in 11

[coral marlin]

I just realized Dream Nailing the black sphere is actually the Knight Dreamnailling itself

How did I not notice that

[umbral night]

https://youtu.be/MnCD5jaxmAU?si=31T2gD55bsuY3o6g

[umbral night]

I didn't till you said it

Nice detail

[fiery trench]

my current hk mod obsession

[umbral night]

Bro what happened

[coral marlin]

Anyway let's see if I TE in under 5 hours

Wasted some time lol

[fiery trench]

do u play cuphead?

[umbral night]

No, haven't

[fiery trench]

ok
makes explaining things midly harder

[copper spruce]

Ok

[fiery trench]

basically I'm doing ddark dmg + 12 instances of thorns dmg on every frame-ish

[umbral night]

Ohhh

That's fire

[fiery trench]

so the game takes the dmg, takes a metric fuck ton of time to calculate everything, and then the boss dies

this works on any boss without a major phase change

and I do mean any

[silk cloak]

I want to sta

Sta

Stab

[coral marlin]

Dude THK almost killed me like 5 times

I am way too focused on Nail damage when I have Nail 0 lmaooo

WOW that was slow

Welp, I don't have too much hope

Nail 0 and only white spells do not kill The Radiance quickly if you suck at dodging

Good thing I didn't throw though, lol

My entire Steel Soul run woulda been gone

[umbral night]

Nail fireball spam is the way for THK

[rich stone]

Nail 1 would have increased your nail damage by 80%

[coral marlin]

Steel Soul Nail 0 White Spells True Ending

[coral marlin]

Setting up an 04 file (Nail 0, White Spells for Godhome)

[rich stone]

That makes sence but why in Steel Soul

[coral marlin]

Wanted to

[subtle glacier]

super good to have

r04 bosses are so fun

[prime dew]

I had more fun doing galien radiant than sisters of battle radiant 💀

Or sheo radiant too

Galiens just really fun cuz hes the least bs dream warrior

[stark crater]

the least bs is probably gorb or hu

the yellow wheels bouncing in a semi-random way is really annoying in the galien fight. and he can drift into you at ground level

[sick heath]

I would agree but hu can just spam the attack where he teleport away from the arena and you can't hit them

which is so fucking annoying

[stark crater]

yeah hu is pretty free but when he does that attack a lot it's annoying af you're right

[prime dew]

True

Id say hes lest bs than hu tho mainly cuz hu tps off screen randomly

Gorb yeah hes very non bs

[sick heath]

at best the dream warriors are just boring

[zealous skiff]

@foggy sable

[foggy sable]

aaaaa

[zealous skiff]

Haiii

[foggy sable]

hru

[zealous skiff]

hru

Im good

[foggy sable]

in vc doing celeste so good

[zealous skiff]

A week of holidays yippee

[zealous skiff]

Peak celeste is peak

Modded or like still first playthrough?

[foggy sable]

just a replay with friends

[zealous skiff]

Funsies

[foggy sable]

indeed

[zealous skiff]

I need to replay celeste too its so peak

[foggy sable]

you should

[rich stone]

I should replay Farewell

[hollow forge]

gorb would b so good in p5 without the fuckass floor

[wispy sky]

i got to queen station in 26 mins, am i on my way to getting the speedrun achievement

[rich stone]

Gorb doesn't have a floor in P5

[hollow forge]

floor in quotation marks

cus theres 3 pillars

[weary sandal]

which is a worse runback

Absolute Radiance (pantheon 5) or 2 Kingsmoulds (Path of Pain)

[wispy sky]

hive knight trust me

[weary sandal]

lmfao

[cunning fulcrum]

Defo absolute radiance

Path of pain you can just hiveblood and grub charm

Oh boy

Finally can talk here without spoiler worries :333

[weary sandal]

Oh fuck

[weary sandal]

Silksong spoilers are allowed here now or?

[cunning fulcrum]

Huh

I meant like

I havent finished hk so i avoided talking here alot

but now i can talk bc i ddi

[weary sandal]

oh lmao

I haven't finished silk skong

[sick heath]

no, never will be probably

[cunning fulcrum]

Are hk spoilers allowed in dk

Sk

[rotund geyser]

YEAH YOU GET EM BALDUR SHELL

[cunning fulcrum]

Best charm ever

[sick heath]

think so but I am not 100% sure

[weary sandal]

Baldur's shell is unironically my favourite charm

[cunning fulcrum]

Same

[weary sandal]

YEAHHHHHHHHHH

[cunning fulcrum]

Saved me so many times

[weary sandal]

same

[honest shale]

I come and see an image of someone baldur shelling monomon

wtf

#sk-discussion

np

[hollow forge]

ITS DONE

ABOUT. FUCKING. TIME. god im so happy

two months of work

excuse the death growls my voice was fried

[honest shale]

now do r5abononna with anyrad 3.0 at the end

[hollow forge]

in exchange for 3 beers

[honest shale]

no

i have no beers

[cunning fulcrum]

2 months? Jeez

[honest shale]

Or ability to buy them

[cunning fulcrum]

Goodjob

[weary sandal]

GUYS WHY IS THE MATO NAIL ART BLUE WHILE THE REST ARE GRAY

[honest shale]

wtf

wtf are u on?

[weary sandal]

like the icon in the inventory

[weary sandal]

the planet fucking earth

[honest shale]

Oh

you are colour blind

great slash is green and dash slash is red

[weary sandal]

WHY THE FUCK IS MATO SO MUCH MORE PRONOUNCED

DID IT GET GRACED BY SHEO

[honest shale]

what

[weary sandal]

ITS MORE BLUE

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[honest shale]

wait isnt cyclone the rad one?

[weary sandal]

also i actually am :D

[weary sandal]

no it the blue one

[honest shale]

gimme one moment

nvm it is blue

[honest shale]

but yeah the other two are just different colours

[weary sandal]

brah

[honest shale]

its blue, red, green

[kind obsidian]

I need help

Whatcher knights

The hurt

Like alot

[honest shale]

ddark

[reef oriole]

Does anyone know of any strategies at all for the collector with all bindings

[honest shale]

still trying that myself

[reef oriole]

I’ve never felt so overwhelmed

And zero progress

[honest shale]

but apparently cyclone is good

[reef oriole]

It doesn’t one hit the adds like it used to tho

And the knock back

[foggy sable]

which pantheon

[reef oriole]

5 or just the ascended arena ig since im trying to do it ascended with all bindings mod

[honest shale]

New thing to summon grey with

any mention of ab collector

[honest shale]

oh im still tryna do p3

[foggy sable]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qC88RU8IXwrY58MpmXZs14UO1ECRUqBTo12RDVIKIYE/edit?usp=sharing

there is a collector section

[wind garnet]

Thx gr

[foggy sable]

hi suscat

[reef oriole]

Insanely goated

Thx

[foggy sable]

there are alternative strats for most fights so it isn't the be all and end all of documents

[kind obsidian]

I fucking hate whatcher knights

Im m ganan comite a federal crime in a min

[honest shale]

pantheon, overworld or hog?

[kind obsidian]

Uh overworks i think

[honest shale]

in watchers spire?

[kind obsidian]

World*

Yes

[foggy sable]

coincidental

[honest shale]

oh uhh u can permakill 1

[umbral night]

Stay in the centre of the arena
Being near walls makes them bounce weirdly
Stay as close as possible
(Yes i typed it thinking it was your first time beating them, my mistake. Should've asked.)

[kind obsidian]

Ueah im

[honest shale]

breakabke ceiling before fight

[kind obsidian]

Ik

[honest shale]

uhh spell a lot

specifically ddark

[reef oriole]

Makes me feel a little better knowing this person said the collector was the hardest

[umbral night]

Isn't that late game

[honest shale]

so are watchers

[umbral night]

I went in with white spells after i got wings

[kind obsidian]

Im so close

[honest shale]

i dont believe you

[kind obsidian]

Whats ddark

[umbral night]

But ur right

[kind obsidian]

Ohhb decending dark?

[honest shale]

yes

[foggy sable]

you should

[honest shale]

oh alright then

[kind obsidian]

Ye i can kill about 3 then when i gwt ti the next one i suck ass

[foggy sable]

whoever wrote it clearly has all the good opinions

[honest shale]

enraged guardian

[reef oriole]

I will be studying this intensely

[foggy sable]

truly a formidable enemy

[umbral night]

I mostly tend to copy what other people do in yt videos against bosses till i eventually realize what they're doing it for and switch it off if it's less optimal than the other one

But only after beating them once

[zealous skiff]

Use spells, especially dive and shade soul. Use gslash and dash slash and when you cant clear the enemies try not to zone out and just focus on dodgijg the enemies.

[honest shale]

the jokes getting a little old ima stop tormenting you now

[honest shale]

try not to zone out is unironically so important in ab collector

every time i do i die within the second

[foggy sable]

I prefer to zone out on nkg

[honest shale]

unfortunately i haven’t practiced him enough to do so

[winter mason]

Question that rose from a conversation with a friend, has anyone attempted/completed the full pantheon (1-5) steel soul all bindings?

Like no deaths/loses period

[reef oriole]

So would you say avoid cyclone?

[foggy sable]

if you can do p5ab then all the rest is easy so yes

[agile pewter]

Cyclone is useful because sometimes you need 2 hits for soul

[zealous skiff]

No cyclone is fine im just not 100% on recommending it but like im sure other people will. The main fear i have is that you might get stuck in a cyclone when you want/need to shade cloak

[zealous skiff]

Its almost certainly been done.

[honest shale]

maybe not tho

[zealous skiff]

R5ab has been done and thats infinitely harder

P045 as well

[honest shale]

what if no one decided it was worthwhile

Difficulty is not the issue

[zealous skiff]

I feel like someone mustve done it as pure warmup. Or like maybe they just first tried all ab pantheons or smth

That would also count

And is foreseeable with enough practice

[honest shale]

Ig so

[foggy sable]

if I wanted to spend 7 hours I could do it fairly easily rn

[zealous skiff]

I probably have enougj time to do it rn but ive lowk never done P5ab so i cant guarantee a first try

[zealous skiff]

Yeah exactly

[honest shale]

if you wanted too

[foggy sable]

I have a save where the only reason I haven't is because I don't want to do p4ab

[honest shale]

the issue was never difficulty it was if someone actually gave enough of a fuck

[honest shale]

but yeah i see that it definitely has been done

[wary hound]

hey nondescript

[honest shale]

hello

[wary hound]

hyd?

[honest shale]

terrible timing

[wary hound]

huh

[honest shale]

Dinner

[wary hound]

oh

guh

[smoky matrix]

Falling Sun.

[wary hound]

no

[smoky matrix]

Oh, okay.

Sunning Fall.

[bronze coral]

what happens if you get the collectors map if you dont have any maps?

[wary hound]

idk

[bronze coral]

im so curious

[smoky matrix]

Nothing.

You can't use the map.

Because Collector's map isn't a map.

It's just pins.

[bronze coral]

i see

[honest shale]

am back

[wary hound]

welcome back

[honest shale]

hyd

[wary hound]

im ok

[honest shale]

thats good

[hollow tulip]

Nightly reminder to breath

A little late

[honest shale]

Are u gonna eat dinner today?

[honest shale]

dw abt it

[winter mason]

For clarification, My friends was saying new game steel soul + no dream deaths either

[honest shale]

it was right on time

I almost forgot

[hollow tulip]

Had a long day. So got worried

[foggy sable]

it would basically just be can you do p5ab first try

if so then the rest of the challenge is trivial

[smoky matrix]

Oh my god. It's her.

[foggy sable]

who

[smoky matrix]

You.

[foggy sable]

oh

I guess so

[honest shale]

well sunfall stopped talking and you are the only other woman here

[foggy sable]

I was being intentionally annoying...

[shrewd nymph]

2 now

[smoky matrix]

Intriguing. @storm flax

[wary hound]

bro my PARENTS are checking up on me every hour

actually pmo

[shrewd nymph]

buh

[wary hound]

hey lune

[smoky matrix]

Ikr???

It's so annoying.

[wary hound]

TBH they have a valid reason BUT

[smoky matrix]

It is annoying regardless.

You can check in every three hours.

It'd be less annoying.

[wary hound]

yeh
BUT THE REASON IS VERRYYYY VALID

[honest shale]

funny enough Enddeous was saying he hadnt seen u in a while earlier today

[smoky matrix]

Did you know I did crocoR5? (idek the acronyms anymore lmao)

[storm flax]

What

oh

[wary hound]

didnt i say that

[honest shale]

and I wasnt?

[smoky matrix]

Did you know about this, Spolly?

[honest shale]

oh

[smoky matrix]

I mean, I guess.

[honest shale]

my memory is ass

[wary hound]

mmm
its a bit TOOO valid

[smoky matrix]

Okay, I genuinely cannot tell whether you're trying to hint at something now.

And what that something might be.

[honest shale]

she almost certainly is

[wary hound]

its nothing

im bad at communication ALSO

[smoky matrix]

If you say sooooo.......?

[wary hound]

listen to nondescript they smart

iu not

[smoky matrix]

🤯

[honest shale]

im not gonna elaborate on the hinting

[wary hound]

ok

[honest shale]

unless its ok by you

[wary hound]

bro
i hate COMMUNICATING WITH ANYONE about anything 99% the time
i NEVER straight up SAY THINGS i always hint because IM ASS at communicating

[honest shale]

sooo is that a yes or a no?

it also does very much prove your point

[wary hound]

huh

[smoky matrix]

You're straight up saying it now.
.....which is the 1% when you do.
I might be dumb and 0 reading comprehension.

[honest shale]

so do i

[wary hound]

guh it depends on WHAT IM SAYING

[honest shale]

bcs i dont understand

[smoky matrix]

Hmmmm.

I also don't understand.

[wary hound]

nvm

[smoky matrix]

Beans.

[honest shale]

o i i a i o i i i a i

[honest shale]

we may be stupid

[foggy sable]

zote is making me lose braincells

which is bad

because there is already a critical shortage

[honest shale]

are you doing rabono zote

i commented it as a joke

[foggy sable]

Slightly easier

Charmless radiant old nail only

It is a tad tricky

[honest shale]

😐

[foggy sable]

Basically rabono but 5 damage instead of 4

The minions are so annoying it is tragic

[honest shale]

soul binding

wait nvm

im stupid

[foggy sable]

Don't worry so am I

[honest shale]

says the law student

[foggy sable]

Not studying law just doing some law units

[honest shale]

ah ok

[foggy sable]

Anyway zote is a lot

[honest shale]

damn really

[fervent needle]

True ending has escaped me for so long. So much so, I finished Lost Lace before The Radiance.

I just shredded that moth XD

[foggy sable]

Maybe harder than the absrad challenge without being ab

[obtuse laurel]

guyz guyz I found an ez early game geo farming method in greenpath getting 112 geo per run (around 2 mins)

[foggy sable]

You don't really need to farm geo earlygame though

[subtle glacier]

i love killing double moss knight a million times

[honest shale]

not even lantern needs it

[foggy sable]

True

[honest shale]

ik its so fun

[foggy sable]

You don't ever really need to geo farm

[obtuse laurel]

I need to grind for everything sly sells

[obtuse laurel]

bro how did u guess it

[foggy sable]

No need to buy that this early

[honest shale]

it is very much already discovered

[obtuse laurel]

I legit dk what to do next

[obtuse laurel]

well uhh I also kill that green leaf disguise uhh moss charger and I use fragile greed

[wary hound]

heyo

[foggy sable]

You have the dash and the claw so go to new areas

[honest shale]

interesting

[honest shale]

hi again

[obtuse laurel]

where new areas

[foggy sable]

There are 2 that exit from fungal wastes

[subtle glacier]

40 geo twice with greed, it’s a classic rando geo farm

[obtuse laurel]

well I think I have to grind for that uhh simple key to get thru uhh city o tears simple lock

[obtuse laurel]

ohhh, pings on pls

[honest shale]

no that needs city crest

[obtuse laurel]

no I alr unlocked city of tears there's a simple lock somewhere

in

[fallow grotto]

hi best friend on whollle universe

[fallow grotto]

hi ak47

[fallow grotto]

hi choombert

[tulip narwhal]

Hohoho its me egfloggygoggy

[hollow forge]

radiance with vegemite wearing a christmas hat

[tulip narwhal]

radiance with vegemite wearing a christmas hat

Its anyrad 2.0 BTW 🙄

[hollow forge]

anyrad with vegemite wearing a santa hat

[tulip narwhal]

I SAID 2.0 😡

[hollow forge]

anyrad 2.0 with vegemite sporting father christmas attire

[tulip narwhal]

Yeahhh thats what im talking about

[gritty ledge]

i love vegemite

it's an acquired taste

[tulip narwhal]

As a manx-faroese its truly a part of my culture #larp

[copper spruce]

My legs hurt

[kind bronze]

there is no limit to the larp

[obtuse laurel]

who r u

[trail bramble]

Like fr

[rotund geyser]

do you get nkg in your pantheons if you banish the troupe?

I assume so right

[foggy sable]

Yes

[rotund geyser]

sick goodbye losers

I’m taking carefree to the pantheons

[tulip narwhal]

Clantis celeste ahh pfp

[trail bramble]

Peak

[rotund geyser]

I think i’ll have to deal with zote though

oh well it wouldn’t be real if I didn’t

[hollow forge]

zote easy just ddark everytime he falls

[trail bramble]

Exactly

That's my problem yoo

I'm on P3, stuck at zote

He's so annoying

I hate him cus he's so annoying I can do mantis lords on radiant and fight the radiance for a warmup but I cant defeat a false prince 🥀

[tulip narwhal]

@zealous skiff

[zealous skiff]

hi floggy

[tulip narwhal]

Hop on

[sick heath]

one away? i hate this game😔

[zealous skiff]

sorry im in the middle of spire with friends

you sujhould buy spire

[tulip narwhal]

I should

hop on celeste

[humble dock]

how to find this grub

[rich stone]

Make sure to do Farewell Golden

[fallow grotto]

fungal secret entrance…

WAIT NO

it’s a breakable wall.

my mistake.

[tulip narwhal]

Ew no

[humble dock]

where

[rich stone]

Have you done any Goldens

[foggy sable]

Those are fake imo

Especially ch5 ones

[rich stone]

What do you mean by fake

[tulip narwhal]

I have all of them except farewell cause farewell is bad and bees

[rich stone]

In Celeste the hardest Golden I have is 4A

[rich stone]

That's insane what was the hardest golden other than Farewell

[tulip narwhal]

idk like 7b

[humble dock]

alr

[tulip narwhal]

Ive done a modded golden thats harder than farewell tho

[foggy sable]

Not real

[rich stone]

Was the modded map longer than Farewell

[tulip narwhal]

Hell nah its like 5 mins

Im a lot better at short condensed difficulty rather than long endurance

[rich stone]

Makes sense Short Hard Maps are more easier to Golden than Longer Maps that are easier like all the C sides are really easy Goldens

[tulip narwhal]

I mean thye're only easier if thats your skillset

A 2min golden can be as hard as a 30min one if the gameplay is hard enough

[foggy sable]

Nope, all of them are not real and also fake

[tulip narwhal]

Real honestly

Hard clears are better #histchud

[foggy sable]

Consider though I am bad and can't do them

[smoky matrix]

@tulip narwhal

[humble dock]

what does salubra's blessing do?

[tulip narwhal]

yo jay

[ember spruce]

it refills your soul while sitting on a bench

[humble dock]

wow

[ember spruce]

and its cute

[humble dock]

it really is lol

[smoky matrix]

Yowaddup?

[tulip narwhal]

yowaddup

[smoky matrix]

The is ceiling is up rn.

[smoky matrix]

Used to be very annoying before they made it so that once your soul is fully filled, it stops.

[ember spruce]

bro is og

[humble dock]

VRO THIS KID ATE MY FRAGILE HEART

WHAT THE FUCK

[ember spruce]

hehehe

[humble dock]

DIVINE ATE MY CHARM

HOW TO GET IT BACK

[smoky matrix]

Just pay her 9k geo.

[ember spruce]

pay geo

[humble dock]

WHAT THE FUCK

and if i dont want to?

i want to upgrade fragile strenght instead

[foggy sable]

You have to get heart back first

[humble dock]

FUCK HER

VRO

I DONT EVEN USE FRAGILE HEART

[zinc iris]

finally beat rad abs rad
thx for the help @lapis musk @bitter jolt @honest shale

[glass abyss]

A true gamer doesn’t need a guide.
He goes by PURE SKILL AND INSTINCT.

[smoky matrix]

Good job Herbivorous.

[glass abyss]

Jokes aside I kinda need ts

[bitter jolt]

why tf does that exist

[glass abyss]

For fellow wanderers who lack conviction

Aka. Beginners and Newbies

[bitter jolt]

the wiki exists 😭

[smoky matrix]

!wiki Hollow Knight

[violet flicker]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Hollow_Knight

[glass abyss]

Oh yeah, I almost forgot
It’s also for Zote

[glass abyss]

It’s also because the wiki’s checklist feature may be inaccessible to those with a trash internet

[bitter jolt]

ahh

[glass abyss]

Or just pure laziness

Aka. Zote

[bitter jolt]

lol

[glass abyss]

I may be unsurprised if the dev behind this shi is Zote behind a mask

[sour flax]

ts is genuinely sad

[sour flax]

imagine waking up and deciding "oh boy i REALLY want to look at my hollow knight progress without opening steam"

[glass abyss]

Big news for the beginners

[zealous skiff]

@tulip narwhal

[sour flax]

hk is NOT that hard

[glass abyss]

Damn is

It’s a frickin check list like the one from the wiki

[sour flax]

fr

the wiki exists for a reason

[glass abyss]

And a literal map of NPC locations (WHICH ALREADY EXISTS MIND YOU)

Now I might use this app but

Idk if it would be right

[tulip narwhal]

Hi

[zealous skiff]

hop?

[zealous skiff]

ping?

[tulip narwhal]

We can hop

[delicate coral]

I mean I can see the usefulness for console players but still

[lapis musk]

wtf ggs goat

[quartz cave]

hi ar*ma

hi phlegm

hi chomper

[naive dew]

@quartz cave

[quartz cave]

its a melone

hi melone how r u from 1-12

[naive dew]

hiiiii like 4

[quartz cave]

wait lemme search up the scale

wtf thats awesome

[frozen storm]

Hi oswald

Good afternoon sir

[quartz cave]

gn ur sleepy sir

[frozen storm]

I slept 7 hours

Not ideal but good nonetheless

How you doing

[smoky matrix]

Baldy boy.

[storm flax]

Woaw

[smoky matrix]

Spolly spol.

[sour flax]

guys which boss has the worst run back iyo

[honest shale]

why in the fuck was atima cencored

[honest shale]

Traitor lord

[sour flax]

I havent fought many bosses so id say uh

probably soul master?

[patent mango]

[patent mango]

Absolute radiance if that count ig

[sour flax]

cant think of anything ive fought with a worse run back

[patent mango]

And god tamer

[sour flax]

what about shortest runback

[dusky coral]

https://www.vxinstagram.com/reel/DWtELXmjomR/

[sour flax]

id say hornet protector

[dusky coral]

I found peak

[patent mango]

Gruz mother

[honest shale]

Enraged guardian

bench is literally in the same room

[frozen storm]

The hollow knight

[frozen storm]

Not literally

[sour flax]

its 1 lvl above but tbf its very short too

[honest shale]

is there a load?

[frozen storm]

Hive knight

[frozen storm]

Yes

[honest shale]

oh

[sour flax]

dude you know what would be like really stupid

[honest shale]

uhh for p5 shell binding do i keep shaman or replace with qf?

[dusky coral]

Absrad

[sour flax]

what if we just swapped the dream bosses with their original bosses (like instead of fighting false knight youre fighting failed champion)

[crimson stag]

hollow knight

[sour flax]

so now false knight would be the dream boss

[dusky coral]

Even less would make it past crossroads

[sour flax]

I mean you can skip him iirc

and fight him later

[honest shale]

i think you’re a dumbass for even suggesting it

[sour flax]

no but itd be funnyyyy

[dusky coral]

You need to stagger him once for the wall to crumble

[sour flax]

oh

[dusky coral]

Like he needs to throw his tantrum once before you can break the wall

[sour flax]

o

🗜️

[hollow forge]

hive knight

he almost ruined kingdoms edge as a whole for me

[frozen storm]

That's the hive

Not kingdoms edge

[young gate]

i beat thk in steel soul for the first time

[dusky coral]

what

[hollow forge]

the hive is in kingdoms edge

[young gate]

Thats a sub area dawg

[hollow forge]

technically

[dusky coral]

gg

[frozen storm]

The hive isn't a sub area

A sub area would be soul sanctum, watcher's spire, etc

[dusky coral]

Love tower

[frozen storm]

Fungal core

[young gate]

Rizz tower

[hollow forge]

the hive is close enough, small enough and connects to kingdoms edge enough times for me to lump it in w kingdoms edge

its only like 5 rooms big too

[sour flax]

yknow what we should add

[young gate]

Snssskd s

[frozen storm]

It's bigger than the howling cliffs

[sour flax]

a portable ² or nothing

like i want to ² my hallownest seals

or I could nothing my hallownest seals

[dusky coral]

Cliffs got a map for itself dawg, hive map is given complimentary with kingdom's edge map

[sour flax]

isnt howling cliffs its own biome

[buoyant magnet]

Ye

[wispy sky]

the worst one too

glorified kings pass

[honest shale]

fuck

died to nkg

[foggy sable]

unfortunate

[honest shale]

tbf i dont think i can kill absrad yet

[wary hound]

unfortunate

[foggy sable]

charmless?

[honest shale]

shell binding

[wispy sky]

rip

nerves i assume

[bitter jolt]

hi non

[honest shale]

hello

[bitter jolt]

hyd

[honest shale]

shell binding kinda rough

[honest shale]

pretty shit

[bitter jolt]

why :<

was it cos of what digital graphite said on stream?

[honest shale]

i just died to nkg

[bitter jolt]

o lol rip

[honest shale]

they’re a piece of shit but ragebait doesnt piss me off that long

[bitter jolt]

yeah it was a joke :>

graphites been in my chat since binfab

[honest shale]

doesnt change my opinion of them

[foggy sable]

?

[honest shale]

oh yea they were shipping me and sunfall on his stream

[bitter jolt]

im like 99% sure they were just ragebaiting and weren't being serious

[foggy sable]

weird

[honest shale]

they did confirm this

[bitter jolt]

ahk yea

[zinc iris]

Avg hk server

[bitter jolt]

i watched kiier's best performing youtube video today

cookie clicker

[honest shale]

sunfall also said she missed me after i said nothing in chat for 10 minutes so

[foggy sable]

not always

[zinc iris]

Fair

[foggy sable]

classic

[honest shale]

abt 30% of the time we actually talk abt hk

[zinc iris]

Shd I do radkoth or oro and mato rad next

[honest shale]

oro and mato

[zinc iris]

I assume those are hardest after absrad and gpz

[hollow forge]

latter seems easier bc you can just ddark the shit out of them

[foggy sable]

anyway losing to nkg in shell binding is tragic

[dusky coral]

rad binf

[zinc iris]

No

[honest shale]

no oblobbles are imo harder

[bitter jolt]

radyrad

[foggy sable]

no, bad

[bitter jolt]

ranyrad

[hollow forge]

oblobbles are Fucked Up

[honest shale]

oro and maro were relatively easy

[bitter jolt]

yes good

[foggy sable]

when are you hopping rabono absrad

[zinc iris]

U shd not be saying this after my awesome gameplay

[bitter jolt]

after i clear 2.0

on radiant

[foggy sable]

so... tomorrow

[bitter jolt]

no cfm

with all bindings

and old nail only

[zinc iris]

So in an hr?

[honest shale]

i actually left markoth with some lifeblood left for once too

[bitter jolt]

lol

[bitter jolt]

whats your charm loadout

[zinc iris]

Still hard to believe I didn't get hit in my final phase of rad abs rad

[foggy sable]

if you are doing bindings in p5 I'm a bit surprised nkg is still annoying

[zinc iris]

It was only my 3 rd time there

[bitter jolt]

yeah it was insane lol, well done :>

[wary hound]

i like big numbers

[honest shale]

not adding mop

[honest shale]

it shouldnt be

[bitter jolt]

o yeah someone in stream asked if it was my first p5 today

[foggy sable]

you could take heart