hk-discussion

[trim schooner]

maybe up to radiant? but i think ill do rab binf first and maybe more soup challenges cos those are more fun

[foggy sable]

That seems like a solid plan

[trim schooner]

yea ty

suscat about to roast me for existing 😔

[wind garnet]

We’re actually not sure which is harder

[trim schooner]

i would say anyrad is easier for everything except climb, which is fucking impossible (mostly because i refuse to practice)

so, anyrad harder

[wind garnet]

See Vanessa one of the og supernova players says attuned is easier since you can run cfm and shriek stalls are pretty good

And 1 dmg tank on spikes

[trim schooner]

ah yea true cfm makes it a lot easier

[wind garnet]

But then any rad doesn’t have spikes or missing plats

And you need to use baldur cfm could work but baldur is a guaranteed climb if you can use it lowkey

[trim schooner]

yeah if it was just off that alone soup would be harder but anyrad also more rng

[wind garnet]

I think I can agree with that

[trim schooner]

'if you can use it' (i can't)

[wind garnet]

But then soup final is pretty rough

[trim schooner]

yeah true its like 60 hits 😭

[wind garnet]

No?

[trim schooner]

anyrad isn't much better though, its 40 iirc

[trim schooner]

actual? i remember counting 60

[wind garnet]

I think you had fixed abs rad hp

💀

[trim schooner]

...

[wind garnet]

It’s a setting in godseeker plus

[trim schooner]

yeah i know

[wind garnet]

If you think that’s bad my friend cleared 1.0 with 97 hits

[trim schooner]

i think i turned it off too though, i watched kiiers clear i think and counted 60

[trim schooner]

😭

[noble ruin]

Wtf is soup

[foggy sable]

a type of food I think

[trim schooner]

basically a primarily liquid, savory food generally served warm or hot (though sometimes chilled) by cooking ingredients like meat, vegetables, or legumes in water, stock, or milk

[noble ruin]

Define it

[wind garnet]

Abs rad beams bruh

[foggy sable]

although debatably a drink if you consider it

[wind garnet]

T lord

[foggy sable]

tyrant phase 2

[noble ruin]

Not possible for humans

[trim schooner]

yeah i know, but like, what if someone found some frame perfect tech 😭

[wind garnet]

No

It’s physically impossible

[trim schooner]

yeah basically

[red jungle]

guys how much damage does spore shroom do

[wind garnet]

Supernova rad

[bold rose]

27 / 40 with dcrest

[wind garnet]

But according to Vanessa ascended supernova might be on par with rad 1.0

[noble ruin]

Supernova I'm almost certain is harder

[wind garnet]

Ur old you don’t know what ur talking about

👵

Back to the retirement home

[bold rose]

Anyways hello

[noble ruin]

I've beat both shush suscar

[wind garnet]

In 1967 yeah

[trim schooner]

lmaoo

[noble ruin]

What did they make it easier or something

[wind garnet]

Nah we just have better Strats I think

[foggy sable]

difficulty opinions are famously objective

[wind garnet]

And people generally got better and figured out better Strats

[noble ruin]

No one cares it's not hard to beat if you've beat anyrad and who's beating supernova before anyrad smh

[trim schooner]

real

[bold rose]

I find nkg harder than absrad

[foggy sable]

which is why I'm banned from comparing certain runs

[sick parcel]

112% took me 77 hours and 41 minutes

[wind garnet]

Anika 💀

[trim schooner]

me

[wind garnet]

And infinity guy

[trim schooner]

lol

[noble ruin]

Anika is a weirdo she doesn't count

[wind garnet]

She died in final

💀

But yeah it’s subjective and both are pretty close in difficulty

I was just messing with you earlier

[wind garnet]

💀

Infinity guy just make sure you don’t have health bar on or else your clear won’t be accepted

Just a precaution

[carmine lava]

some things are objective

[wind garnet]

Quantum is old

[trim schooner]

yea i know kiiier told me

[gray rivet]

At anika

[trim schooner]

thx for warning though

[wind garnet]

@friendofojb

[foggy sable]

eh

[gray rivet]

Hiii

[foggy sable]

at some point yes but like

[wind garnet]

Can grey beat r5ab already

How many we at q

[foggy sable]

I'm not running it atm

[carmine lava]

i’m sure if someone genuinely said p5ab was harder than r5 we would take them completely seriously

[foggy sable]

I'm on assorted silly runs rn

[noble ruin]

Do it coward

[odd salmon]

Hi

[foggy sable]

I don't like that you chose that example of comparison

[carmine lava]

i don’t keep track of it anymore :ponder_rivulet:

probably like 30 though

[wind garnet]

[zealous skiff]

Its like 30 iirc

[strong skiff]

Fox active

[wind garnet]

Quantum is losing passion

[carmine lava]

was that not already obvious

[gray rivet]

Twue

[wind garnet]

[foggy sable]

r5ab is just miserable and fun runs are fun

[gray rivet]

Hihi

[foggy sable]

like 04 collector

and silly charms

[gray rivet]

No thanks

[strong skiff]

Sick and twisted deffenitions of fun

[carmine lava]

i never even saved the r5ab spreadsheet. every time i wanna see it i have to go look through my bilibili dms

[foggy sable]

you have to consider the comparison

[carmine lava]

wait i just realized i never submitted 2 people’s r5 clears to the sheet because i forgot

[strong skiff]

Sure i guess

[foggy sable]

correct and true definitions

[tacit hollow]

Guys i need help getting my shade back

I cant beat nosk

[zinc verge]

go to egg shop

[tacit hollow]

Even with the nail before pure nail i forgot its name

[foggy sable]

collect shade then quit out

[storm flax]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HDN6JltbQAQiK_2.gif

[tacit hollow]

And all shade upgrades

[gray rivet]

Grrr 67

[zealous skiff]

Is one of those people me?

[strong skiff]

@keen thorn how bad is it to have breaks in boss grind
Its been like 1 or 2 weeks scinse i hopped yesterday and i got to phase 2 once
I feel like im playing alright but are breaks making my improvement a lot worse

[tacit hollow]

The doors close out and my shade is inside his room

I need a simple key to get my shade back

[zealous skiff]

Dni spaball

[foggy sable]

collect it then quit to menu

[tacit hollow]

TYSM

[storm flax]

:( u hate me

[steep sierra]

And who are u

[storm flax]

Never playing geoguessr with u again

[steep sierra]

The proud lord said

[gray rivet]

No we hate 67

[steep sierra]

That i must bow so low

[steep sierra]

Only a cat

[tacit hollow]

btw how do i unlock queen's garden

[gray rivet]

What about among us

[steep sierra]

Beat the lady on queen's station

[tacit hollow]

The banker?

[storm flax]

I don’t have the game foxy :3

[red jungle]

SLY RADIANT

[steep sierra]

No the queen in next room above eating something

[gray rivet]

I'll buy it for you its okayyy

[tacit hollow]

K

[zinc verge]

why would you torture yourself

[red jungle]

alr did those

[tacit hollow]

I defeated 2 out of 3 dreamers

[red jungle]

WAY before sly

[storm flax]

Nope

[tacit hollow]

And am collecting essence to get all the king soul fragments and then void heart

[gray rivet]

You can't stop me grr

[red jungle]

oh sorry

anyways heres a tip

use grubberflys elegy

[tacit hollow]

So am going for radiant ending am cooked cant even defeat nosk 😭

[foggy sable]

you can use spells on nosk when it is in the ceiling

[red jungle]

or just use glowing womb

[tacit hollow]

I tried to defeat watcher knight with 0 upgrades

Then upgraded everything including my spells to shade spells

Even my dash

[red jungle]

and beat it first try

[storm flax]

I can actually

[red jungle]

literally did nosk first try as soon as i put on glowing womb

[tacit hollow]

And still struggled to beat him

[gray rivet]

Cries

[tacit hollow]

Idk how to find glowing womp

[red jungle]

crossroads somewhere

[tacit hollow]

K

Btw thank you guys for advice

[carmine lava]

yes

[tacit hollow]

Btw the best charm set for fights i see is longnail shaman stone unbreaking strength grubsong

[hoary kraken]

son how do i defeat lost kin 😭

[tacit hollow]

When he starts shaking down jump and pogo him

[storm flax]

Noooo

[hoary kraken]

i mean

that orange ghosts that he spawns

[tacit hollow]

And when he starts shaking to dash up dash away then hit him also maybe when he starts shaking to dash up use abyss shriek

[hoary kraken]

or whatever

they're really annoying

grr

[tacit hollow]

Just up slash them

[foggy sable]

usually just come back when better equiped

[foggy sable]

gr

[zealous skiff]

Can you remember please

[tacit hollow]

@hoary kraken whv did u kill dess

[hoary kraken]

cuz yes

i just liked this pfp

very silly

[red jungle]

stay far away from him and when he dashes towards you, dodge and hit him

and use shade soul

[zealous skiff]

I dont hate you :((((

[red jungle]

hmm

[zealous skiff]

I just dni you 🙄

[red jungle]

nah it makes it really hard to see

[tacit hollow]

Anyway guys goodbye

[storm flax]

Ah hate

[hoary kraken]

bye

guys what are those things that u like wear and they give u powers called

i forgor

yeee

what are the best charms for best nail damage?

i don't like using spells

compass for life🔥

[strong skiff]

Take a wild guess

[hoary kraken]

no idea vro

[strong skiff]

Buh

[hoary kraken]

i like just started playing the game

[strong skiff]

Buh

[hoary kraken]

a week ago

[vestal sapphire]

strength, quick slash, steady body, nailmaster's glory, mark of pride, in that order

[hoary kraken]

[red jungle]

the iframes dont last that long

[vestal sapphire]

if you're good enough to use fury of the fallen it's better than strength

[red jungle]

omfg i hate marmu

[strong skiff]

It also is boosted by strength

[foggy sable]

TRUE

[vestal sapphire]

marmu is a good representative of hollow knight's bosses

(because a lot of them are bad)

[hoary kraken]

where do i even get all those charms

[foggy sable]

you just drop by from sk disc to be annoying and leave idk what you want

[strong skiff]

Pk

[hoary kraken]

i like these emojis so much

[red jungle]

marmu MIGHT be worse than no eyes

[hoary kraken]

who are we talking about

[red jungle]

yeah markoth is by far the worst

he took me like 4 days to radiant

[vestal sapphire]

strength from leg eater, quick slash from kingdom's edge, steady body from salubra, nailmaster's glory after a somewhat long quest, mark of pride from beating mantis lords

at least markoth has more than 1 attack and isn't contact damage: the boss

[red jungle]

why does marmu move at like 5x the speed of markoths shield

[vestal sapphire]

but markoth is awful too

[hoary kraken]

i only got mark of pride rn

[vestal sapphire]

steady body is more important than mark of pride

[zealous skiff]

Nuh uhhh

[red jungle]

steady body is only good if you know how to use it

can i please stop instantly dying to marmu

[vestal sapphire]

i'm not a fan of mark of pride

[red jungle]

????

[trim schooner]

do the r5 strat for no reason lol

[foggy sable]

mark of pride is great

[zealous skiff]

Try using sbody for 5 minutes

[red jungle]

How

[hoary kraken]

guys where should i go after i defeat the broken vessel?

[foggy sable]

no starting soul

[trim schooner]

ddark after they teleport

[red jungle]

ive never seen anyone say they hate mark of pride before

[trim schooner]

no but when it spawns cant you whack the boss 3 times for soul

[vestal sapphire]

i don't hate it

i think it's very overrated

[red jungle]

same thing

[storm flax]

yuh uhhh

[red jungle]

explain how

the extra range is so useful for so many things

[hoary kraken]

so mark of pride is good in early-game?

[trim schooner]

ok mark of pride isnt THAT good but its still pretty good

[foggy sable]

no

[red jungle]

if we had 12 notches instead of 11 it would be part of everyones main build

[trim schooner]

its still very good

[foggy sable]

mark of pride is good lategame not early

[trim schooner]

not really...

[vestal sapphire]

other three notch charms give much more
strength gives +50% dmg
quick slash gives +60% nail hits per second
shaman stone gives +50% dmg

mark of pride gives a measly +25% range
everything is designed for base nail length so mark of pride isn't very necessary
and it isn't a flat increase to dps

[hoary kraken]

i've never used it actually

[red jungle]

MARMU RADIANT

[trim schooner]

when the hardest thing you've attempted is p5 /j

[red jungle]

MARMU RADIANT

[hoary kraken]

ok i am going to use it from now one ty

mwuah

[zealous skiff]

Nuh uhh im going to sleep

[vestal sapphire]

getting an extra hit every now and then isn't worth 3 notches
strength and quickslash effectively add 50% more nail hits

[red jungle]

it isnt on the same tier as the broken charms but its still really good

[storm flax]

gnnnn

[red jungle]

its so much easier to hit things and not get hit back

[trim schooner]

hi spol hyd

[red jungle]

alr oblobbles, soul tyrant or no eyes

[vestal sapphire]

once you get used to base nail length it's not necessary

[strong skiff]

Buh

[vestal sapphire]

great tierlist

[red jungle]

even if you do get used to base nail, the extra range is just nice and super helpful

[trim schooner]

wheres dashmaster

[foggy sable]

b

[trim schooner]

im blind

[red jungle]

is there anything i can do to change your mind about glowing womb

[vestal sapphire]

it takes up three notches i could use for something that gives better dps

i'd rather put on steady body and spell twister

[red jungle]

theres only 3 main damage charms which you just listed

[foggy sable]

I can't remember the last time I didn't run MoP in godhome

[trim schooner]

honestly i completely agree with that tierlist, except maybe dashmaster baldur and cfm further up

[foggy sable]

outside of one specific build or meme runs

[storm flax]

Sleepy exams tmr

[red jungle]

everyone thinks glowing womb is bad

[trim schooner]

o rip gl

[strong skiff]

Me when i use the best and most popular build

[vestal sapphire]

hell i'd rather put on flukenest than mark of pride

[red jungle]

but i love glowing womb

[trim schooner]

it just drains your soul for no reason

[red jungle]

bro what

[red jungle]

not for no reason

[strong skiff]

Brotato chip lvl1 grimmchild has more dps it IS bad

[trim schooner]

anyways a charm doesn't have to be good for you to like it, so i still respect your decision

[foggy sable]

baldur and cfm have pretty much no optimal vanilla use

[vestal sapphire]

doubling shade soul dmg is no joke

[trim schooner]

yea true

[red jungle]

in theory it does but grimmchild misses like 50% of the time

and has less range

[trail flume]

RISE MY MINIONS

[foggy sable]

and dashmaster is only really useful in some absrad scenarios iirc

[strong skiff]

And doesnt take up your soul

[red jungle]

and you lose the ability to double hit enemies

[strong skiff]

And lvl1 grimmchild is not real

[trail flume]

summoning charms

[red jungle]

and doublehitting enemies does the same damage as flukenest shaman

[strong skiff]

Its lvl4

Which outdps by a fuck ton

[vestal sapphire]

some enemies can't be double hit anyway

[trim schooner]

yeah my opinion is based on my experiences in modded bosses lol

[red jungle]

and some enemies, regular spells are better than flukenest

[knotty crag]

queenlaugh

[red jungle]

not really

[red jungle]

omg queen

[knotty crag]

Yes

[trim schooner]

nail builds you only REALLY need quickslash and sbody

everything else is just there for extra damage or for quality of life

[red jungle]

it is if you know how to use it

[vestal sapphire]

so mark of pride is useful sometimes but isn’t a flat dps increaser, and +25% range when +50% is the norm for three notch charms is pitiful

[strong skiff]

Bruh
Water is wet ahh sentence what is this
All charms are there for damage or qol

[trim schooner]

i mean if you cant nail turn or face dance, yeah

[foggy sable]

do you actually do runs in hk?

[red jungle]

i mean, youre comparing an A tier charm to S tier charms

[strong skiff]

Mop is a crutch

[foggy sable]

just assessing what to say here basically

[trim schooner]

no, quickslash and sbody are important for gameplay, like you can facedance and nail turn without strength shaman or mop but not without quickslash and sbody

[knotty crag]

I accidentally opened a dark fountain in dirtmouth what do I do

[vestal sapphire]

there is no option to run in hollow knight and I’m not sacrificing a notch for sprintmaster

[strong skiff]

Facedance is damage and qol

[red jungle]

what is elderbugs darkworld variant

[strong skiff]

What are we talking about

[red jungle]

i need to know

[trim schooner]

its not a charm

[vestal sapphire]

I have completed radiant HoG yes

[knotty crag]

Uh
Like
Idk

[trim schooner]

💀

[strong skiff]

What

[trim schooner]

facedancing is a skill

[strong skiff]

And

Flukenest is also a skill

[foggy sable]

people will be like MoP is bad and not wonder why over half of first r5 clears use it

[trim schooner]

flukenest is a charm 😭

[leaden dew]

For is skill

[trim schooner]

yea lol

[leaden dew]

I am Gorb!

[strong skiff]

Mop is pretty good for radiant aint nobody fighting that

[foggy sable]

it has the same use in general though

[knotty crag]

Lying

[vestal sapphire]

nope

[naive dew]

@foggy sable

[foggy sable]

hi melone

hru

[strong skiff]

Well sure but if i can afford getting hit im not gonna spend 3 notches on it

[hidden latch]

Omg first milk pfp

[vestal sapphire]

alright I used mark of pride for one boss

[knotty crag]

MoP is SUCH a waste, use heavy blow and defenders crest instead

[knotty crag]

Yes

[vestal sapphire]

guess which one

[hidden latch]

Shes my best friend

[sullen kayak]

dont forget the goat glowing womb

[naive dew]

I had 3 hours of slee and i still have exams many exams so im like 11 and 12 pn the kita scale wbu

[leaden dew]

Bladesong copyed silksongs name

Tbh

[naive dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1340358564006592594/1467523068804071424/togif.gif

[vestal sapphire]

nah it was oblobbles

[foggy sable]

that is fair but I often make the decision to use it, it isn't just a bad charm

[knotty crag]

True

[sullen kayak]

Im replaying hk just beat soul master

[tulip narwhal]

The one thats sleepy

[strong skiff]

Wtf gl

[vestal sapphire]

for markoth I just went all out spell build with nailmaster’s glory and weaversong

[knotty crag]

What if Pure Vessel is the Roaring Knight

[foggy sable]

unfortunate

[leaden dew]

The bitch that almost made me go insane

[trim schooner]

weaversong is interesting but yeah, other than that, that's the standard strat for markoth

[sullen kayak]

nah the roaring knight is a FRAUD pv is the goat

[strong skiff]

I mean yes in general its like b tier
I just think its a crutch and i got better stuff to spend my notches on

[leaden dew]

It's not wrong I almost went insane

[knotty crag]

K

[vestal sapphire]

I had 2 notches free so I slapped on weaversong for passive dmg
I had nothing else to equip

[trim schooner]

ohhh

[foggy sable]

tbf I did also say in lategame where you have more notches to spend

[sullen kayak]

i remember losing to him every time in my p5 attempts

[red jungle]

omg weaversong

[sullen kayak]

every single time it was either markoth or zote

i havent done yet either

[knotty crag]

I want to open a dark fountain at the grub cave, a dark world full of grubs and grubberflies

[leaden dew]

Who likes doing eternal ordial to get anger out?

[red jungle]

get used to using nail arts

[strong skiff]

Im also talking about lategame
Why would i not be running the standart qs strength shaman twister

[sullen kayak]

the million zotes yelling would probably piss me off more lol

[trim schooner]

that is not standard

[leaden dew]

Still funny tho

[foggy sable]

for one, I think qs is bad without sbody

[red jungle]

bro what

[sullen kayak]

True i love beating up zote

[foggy sable]

so you get more value from removing twister for sbody in dps

[red jungle]

erm

60% attack speed buff

[strong skiff]

Buh

[leaden dew]

I KNOWWW

[sullen kayak]

beating up kratt is probably better to relieve stress tho

[strong skiff]

Whatever theres still no space for mop

[naive dew]

@strong skiff

[strong skiff]

And i will never learn sbody but thats on my end and i dont care

[foggy sable]

second I just remove shaman for MoP half the time anyway tbh

[sullen kayak]

i wish we could beat him all the time after what he did

[strong skiff]

Fuh naw

[trim schooner]

quickslash strength shaman sbody mop :D

overcharm

[foggy sable]

a good nail build with aggressive plays does more damage than spells anyway usually so if it prohibits playing more agressively and getting higher dps it is worth imo

[sullen kayak]

yes

[grand valve]

if youre not rocking with kingsoul im not rocking with you

[sullen kayak]

beat him with the worst possible charm loadout

or rather the best

[red jungle]

nah glowing womb is horrible for markoth

[trim schooner]

wait when you do p5 for fun do you do fury or nah

[steep sierra]

.

[trim schooner]

or do you just do 1 charm r5 for fun

[red jungle]

but sure

[leaden dew]

Except Invincible, Fearless, Sensual, Mysterious, Enchanting, Vigorous, Diligent, Overwhelming, Gorgeous, Passionate, Terrifying, Beautiful, Powerful, Grey Prince Zote

[foggy sable]

I don't really do p5 outside of hitless

[red jungle]

would be though

[sullen kayak]

i hate that boss so much hes ruined a countless p5 runs

him and markoth

i wish i never saved him

[leaden dew]

Sounds right

[foggy sable]

but when I do it is usually p5ab challenges or silly charmsets

[red jungle]

good luck doing second phase with barely any spells

[grand valve]

p5 without zote is like an angel without wings

[sullen kayak]

i didnt save him in my curent playthrough

[sullen kayak]

its better that way

I HATE grey prince zote

[leaden dew]

Invincible, Fearless, Sensual, Mysterious, Enchanting, Vigorous, Diligent, Overwhelming, Gorgeous, Passionate, Terrifying, Beautiful, Powerful, Grey Prince Zote

[red jungle]

rate my tierlist based on how much i like every charm

move unb strength down

[leaden dew]

Yeahhhh

Night mare child is in the I love this charm

[red jungle]

i love grimmchild

[sullen kayak]

id put quick slash at the top

[leaden dew]

Flucmarms charm dose NOT DESERVE THAT

[sullen kayak]

i never take it out once i get it

[leaden dew]

It's ok

[sullen kayak]

isnt it like broken for cheesing

i see speedrunner use it a lot

[leaden dew]

Never used it

😕

[sullen kayak]

it has like delayed hitscans or whatever so it deals an insane amount of damage

[red jungle]

sure

the list is outdated

[red jungle]

ehhhh

nah its not as cool as the goat

glowing womb

[sullen kayak]

frfr

[red jungle]

yes it does

it helped me beat soul tyrant

[leaden dew]

Deep focus needs I love this charm

[red jungle]

who the hell uses deepfocus

its so expensive

[sullen kayak]

deep focus is not worth

[leaden dew]

I might be thinking of wrong charm

[sullen kayak]

id put gathering swarm in i like this charm

[red jungle]

fr

[sullen kayak]

saves me a lot of time

[red jungle]

it is

[leaden dew]

But u did soul catcher dirty

[foggy sable]

nmg is just the most fun charm

[leaden dew]

Yeah ik

[red jungle]

ok yeah the tierlist is outdated

[sullen kayak]

whats that

[red jungle]

my opinions have changed a lot

[foggy sable]

nailmasters glory

[sullen kayak]

i dont use nail arts at all tbh

[leaden dew]

Soul catcher deserves I love this

[sullen kayak]

💀

i should start using them nore

[red jungle]

its just a worse spell twister

but better for healing

[sullen kayak]

fuh nah spell twister better

[leaden dew]

Never actually used that

[sullen kayak]

i use it sometimes

[foggy sable]

unless about 80% of your soul goes to spells no

[sullen kayak]

i use spells a fuck ton so

[red jungle]

i use it when i need more heals

[foggy sable]

I think it is 80% anyway

[sullen kayak]

heavy blow on cool is crazy

💀

[dark steppe]

based

[red jungle]

i used it on mossy

[dark steppe]

i love nmg

[red jungle]

and thats pretty much it

[sullen kayak]

oh actually valid

[trim schooner]

made a tierlist too what yall think

[sullen kayak]

i agree with both on basically required

[red jungle]

why does everyone hate glowing womb man

[sullen kayak]

ok real

[foggy sable]

because it is worse than nothing?

[trim schooner]

also this is on how much I like the charms as well not just how objectively good they are

[copper spruce]

Thorns

[red jungle]

grimmchild is also considered a bad charm and its ranked goated on this guys list

[spring cosmos]

ayo how i can get this uhh.. space for charms?

[foggy sable]

thorns in best case does nothing

[red jungle]

what beef do you have with glowing womb

[foggy sable]

best case being all the time

[copper spruce]

R5 is hitless

[trim schooner]

i would like to have soul

[red jungle]

it takes so little soul

[trim schooner]

hes trying his best stop hating on him D:

[copper spruce]

How it feels to lie on the internet

[foggy sable]

using only thorns for hitless challenges imagine

[cold cliff]

Why's the compass not first

[vestal sapphire]

my favourite charm is void heart

[wind garnet]

Mop too high

Also hella bias

Slop dashmaster

[copper spruce]

Baldur that high huh

[trim schooner]

yeah I know it was based on personal preference

[wind garnet]

Run from parries the charm

[trim schooner]

wasn't meant to be what i objectively thought was the best

[copper spruce]

Pon der

[wind garnet]

Gato maloso

[trim schooner]

lol

[wind garnet]

[trim schooner]

I like baldurs D:

[wind garnet]

I remember people wishing that dash master was baked into the default dash

I would hate that tbh

[trim schooner]

lol

[trim schooner]

yea the downdash would be so annoying

[red jungle]

So is glowing womb

[trim schooner]

i accidentally downdashed in my ^3 clear but i got lucky and parried

[red jungle]

I could never hate grimmchild btw

[vestal sapphire]

i would say something about this but it's not allowed in this channel

[wind garnet]

Im aware

[sour flax]

is there a bench nearer to the soul master's arena

[wind garnet]

And I never used that mechanic in my playthrough

[foggy sable]

I think dashmaster should be free

[sour flax]

im sick of having to walk all the way from the bench near cornifer just to die

[foggy sable]

dashing fast is fun

[wind garnet]

It would make the game too easy

People would just slash once dash across the arena in half a second and wait to re engage

[copper spruce]

Hollow knight

[wind garnet]

Boring ass playstyle

[sour flax]

so is there a bench nearer to the soul master or no?

[copper spruce]

It sounds like dark souls where you hit a boss once then travel half a mile away

[wind garnet]

Also bad

[sour flax]

what charms should i use for soul master

[stark crater]

mop is pretty decent at that point imo

mark of pride

[copper spruce]

Shaman stone

[lapis musk]

At all points tbh

[stark crater]

fragile heart/fragile strength are insanely strong, but if you are on a first playthrough you will probably break them several times

[sour flax]

i have NEVER heard of those charms

im using wayward, soul catcher and a thorn charm thing

[stark crater]

i wouldnt use it in p5 over any third of the qs/str/shaman stone combo personally

[lapis musk]

Dont use thorns

[sour flax]

i dont have anything else to use

[wind otter]

Yeah thorns is bleh, sadly

Can be actively detrimental

[foggy sable]

...

[stark crater]

it's bad because it immobilizes you during your iframes

[lapis musk]

still good even if you find shaman better

[stark crater]

fair enough

[sour flax]

so what should i use

[lapis musk]

Using nothing is better than it

[worthy peak]

MoP is one of the best for entire game. :D

[sour flax]

i have 4 notches

[stark crater]

have you found salubra? she has some good stuff

[wind otter]

I hate that this is true 😭

[copper spruce]

Thorns is as useful as sharp shadow

[sour flax]

who?

[stark crater]

big lady

in forgotten crossroads
she sells charms and notches

[sour flax]

the one that looks like a giraffe?

oh i have no idea who that is

[stark crater]

nah. she looks like a meatball

[wind otter]

I know this isn’t true but I also want to slander sharp shadow

[copper spruce]

So it is true

[wind otter]

Yes

[sour flax]

is stalwart shell good

and spell catcher

[stark crater]

someday i will try the anime build where you just dash through people and use dash slash to hit behind you

[vestal sapphire]

no

[copper spruce]

Spell catcher yes

[sour flax]

*spell twister

[vestal sapphire]

yes

[stark crater]

spell twister is very good

[merry storm]

He was wrong

The pale king is dumb

[sour flax]

im using soul catcher and spell twister but i now have no idea where i am

[wind otter]

Imo the best charm in the game that isn’t overpowered

[copper spruce]

No

[sour flax]

is there a way to get 1 more notch thing

i got one from 2 mushrooms

[stark crater]

several ways but salubra is probably the easiest source

there's one in fog canyon also

[sour flax]

wait where do i find her?

soul catcher or spell twister

i NEED to use wayward

[stark crater]

twister imo

[wind otter]

Bottom right of crossroads

[sour flax]

my life is incomplete without it

wait does focus count as a spell

[stark crater]

nah

spells are insane in this game though

[sour flax]

oh

i like vengeful spirit

[stark crater]

the down spell makes you invincible while going down and for about half a second after you land

[sour flax]

also is soul master a required boss

[stark crater]

and the up spell does a ridiculous amount of damage

[wind otter]

Pretty sure?

[stark crater]

i think so? he gives an extremely important upgrade

[wind otter]

I wouldn’t recommend skipping him on any of your first runs

If even possible

[sour flax]

god damn it

[foggy sable]

soul master isn't needed for either any% or true ending

[naive dew]

hiii gr

[sour flax]

i dont like the soul sanctum as a whole

[foggy sable]

do get the fight though the reward is good

[foggy sable]

hiii melone

[naive dew]

is manipulation worth it if ii needd someone to open portal 2 for literally like 20 seconds to get the final achievvement

[sullen kayak]

is nothing for true ending locked behind ddark??

[wind otter]

Thought so ya, but it’s like not doing Broken Vessel

[sour flax]

wait where was the person that sells notches?

bottom right?

[foggy sable]

nope

[wind otter]

Of forgotten crossroads, yup

[sour flax]

why is there this guy with a shield and hood thats just a d1 hater wtf

[wind otter]

Oh that’s my boy Tiso

[sullen kayak]

Damn

[carmine lava]

technically nothing is locked behind ddark

[foggy sable]

112% is

[sullen kayak]

white defender is

[sullen kayak]

o

whats it

[foggy sable]

technically it only needs dive not DDark

[sour flax]

are the charms the grub looking person sells good?

[sullen kayak]

who??

[sour flax]

i forgot her name

she sells notches

[sullen kayak]

by ddark i meant the ability itself lol

[carmine lava]

that’s not an item

[foggy sable]

you said nothing is

not no items are

[sullen kayak]

i dont remember

[carmine lava]

captain obvious

percents are required for 112%

[bold rose]

Shaman stone and steady body are amazing.
Longnail is also good

[foggy sable]

contextually it was obvious the ability in question was dive since the conversation was talking about soul master reward

[carmine lava]

what do you mean

[foggy sable]

I had just figured it was pointless pedantry to correct DDark

[sour flax]

how do i unlock the elevator to the city of tears in crossroads

[sullen kayak]

White defender the boss

[lapis musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1450586234069192755/1457448604313583667/a_statment.gif

[sour flax]

like it looks like a lantern

[dark steppe]

@carmine lava

[sullen kayak]

its locked behind dive

[dark steppe]

hai hai!!!

[sour flax]

whats dive

[bold rose]

Pay from the city of tears side

[carmine lava]

yeah i don’t remember him being locked behind anything other than the 3 dreamers but maybe i’m misremembering

[sour flax]

aw

[carmine lava]

hi slinky

[bold rose]

Dive to get to the arena

To dreamnail white defender

[carmine lava]

yes dive but not ddark

[dark steppe]

hru!!! ^^

[carmine lava]

fine but i gotta try to sleep for like an hour before class

[dark steppe]

oh damn i see......

[carmine lava]

my sleep schedule has not been good sijce 2 fridays ago

[bold rose]

Ddark is just more dmg so yeah

[dark steppe]

gl with that

[shrewd walrus]

Who needs sleep when you have pain?

[carmine lava]

how are you

[dark steppe]

REALLY GREAT!!!

[carmine lava]

oh that’s good

did something happen

[shrewd walrus]

I was doing so good against the boss. My cat decided to cuddle my face.

[dark steppe]

a lot things happened but in a way one of my best friend and friend were not getting alone before but they made up so me and all my best friends just vced for like 12 hours yesterday and i was so happy

4 of us vced all day and it made me so fucking happy

[carmine lava]

oh that’s nice

i’ve never called with anyone for that long i don’t think lol

[dark steppe]

its spring break for me :p

[carmine lava]

or if i did it didn’t feel very personal

[dark steppe]

ahhh i see

[carmine lava]

the time isn’t the issue lol

[shrewd walrus]

Noob numbers, my longest active call was 37 hours long

[sullen kayak]

i said ddark instead of dive mbmb

[carmine lava]

yeah i actually thought you meant ddark when you said white defender lol

[sullen kayak]

😭

[carmine lava]

oh slinky i got 5th place on a platformer extreme with over 100 victors

[dark steppe]

ohhhhhh nice!!! :3

awesome pawsome gjjjjj

im in a league game now :p

[carmine lava]

it’s about to fall off the pemon list so i might try to grind it for the wr so i’ll have the top time when it falls off

[carmine lava]

oh good luck lol

[dark steppe]

thank u!!!

[sour flax]

ok i got soul catcher and spell twister AND wayward compass in the same loadout thing

[shrewd walrus]

Do you get hit a lot?

[sour flax]

on soul master? yeah

this would be my 3rd attempt on himm

[shrewd walrus]

It is completely optional, you don’t need that spell but it is useful

[sour flax]

wait fr?

[shrewd walrus]

Yep

[sour flax]

do i get achievement for beating him?

[shrewd walrus]

There is no part of the main story that requires you to ground smash

[shrewd walrus]

I don’t remember

Probably

[sour flax]

i do... 😡

i must kill him

[shrewd walrus]

I will say that there are a bunch of optional things that you won’t be able to do though, but you can always go back to him later

[sour flax]

or i could come back to him and slime him out in 4k ultra

cuz he sucks

yeah i should do that!!!!!!

[shrewd walrus]

I will tell you that jumping is your best friend against him

[sour flax]

oo

[shrewd walrus]

Perfect time to learn how to control your jobs

[sour flax]

i see

[shrewd walrus]

Jumps**

[sour flax]

wait i just wanna know, where am i supposed to go after this

[shrewd walrus]

Have you made it out of the city of tears?

[sour flax]

nope im still here

how do i get out? i have NO idea

[shrewd walrus]

Go the other direction after that elevator right before the soul sanctum

[sour flax]

ive gone to the royal waterways

[magic storm]

Just go that way

[sour flax]

oh ok

[shrewd walrus]

He’s going to the soul sanctum, which is a dead end

[magic storm]

Btw there will be spoilers for the whole game in this channel

If you don’t want that go to #hk-help

[sour flax]

its fine

i dont really care for spoilers :/

[light snow]

oooo the light cannot be consumed oooo

[magic storm]

Not really it unlocks a bunch of stuff

[sour flax]

but do i HAVE to fight it?

[shrewd walrus]

Instead of going into the soul sanctum, there should be a mob rush then you can easily escape

[shrewd walrus]

No

[magic storm]

Technically you only have to fight like 1 or 2 bosses

[sour flax]

oh i did that a while ago

ive alr found the stag station

[shrewd walrus]

Ok

I thought you needed help escaping

[sour flax]

i cant get out via the main gate cuz its chained

[shrewd walrus]

There are three bosses minimum that you need to defeat

[sour flax]

so im gonna use the ultimate strategy

run around like a headless chicken

[magic storm]

Idr the exact number it’s been like 4 years since I played the base game

Just fight soul master

[sly mango]

My two cents; ironically for being a boss that gives you a spell, theyre not the best strategy for defeating him

I'd go nail based

[foggy sable]

wraiths kills soul master so fast

[sour flax]

i think ive died more times to spikes than to the bosses

besides hornet

[shrewd walrus]

You’re in for a rude awakening

[dawn raft]

Who's going to tell them about POP

[stark crater]

once you free some grubs and go talk to the grub guy he'll give you grubsong, which gives you some soul when you get hit

[magic storm]

Your mother kills soul master so fast

[stark crater]

very nice for platforming

[copper spruce]

My mother

[magic storm]

Though Tbf your mother is a wraith

[sour flax]

whats pop

[shrewd walrus]

Don’t mind it

[magic storm]

Soda in the north

[sour flax]

oh

IMF REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

freedom at last

[shrewd walrus]

it’s a secret area only discoverable if you try beating the games most difficult ending, excluding God home

[magic storm]

Fun fact I’ve never done pop and now that I’m retired I never will

[sour flax]

oh i found another mask shard

wait nvm thats a vessel fragment

[shrewd walrus]

I would say that is actually better

The only thing better than that is pale ore

Excluding charms

[sour flax]

how do i get pale ore

[carmine lava]

you should come back and do 04r hog

[sour flax]

i wanna look at the mantis village

[carmine lava]

do 04r hog and i’ll finish my 04r hog reclears finally

[magic storm]

I’m retired

[sour flax]

ive only been there for like 2 seconds

[magic storm]

Officially

I handed in my resignation already

[carmine lava]

man i gotta find the image of the ones i’ve recleared because i don’t even remember at this point

i know i’ve recleared most bosses at least

[shrewd walrus]

Do you have the mantis claws?

[pearl helm]

guys litteraly like playe silksong

[sour flax]

yes

[shrewd walrus]

Ignore it, mantises are overrated
(I can’t beat the only two mantis bosses in the game)

[sour flax]

i see a guy with a glowy thing

a dead guy and hes locked behind a door

[shrewd walrus]

Where is this?

[sour flax]

leme dm you the screenshots

[shrewd walrus]

Sure

[sour flax]

i got the thing

another wanderers journal

[shrewd walrus]

lol

[sour flax]

thats pretty nice

[shrewd walrus]

After you escape the city of tears, it’s pretty much free roam

[shrewd meadow]

[storm bolt]

166,75 days

[gray rivet]

hi focks

[shrewd meadow]

I focks

[sour flax]

i heard the fungal wastes can get me a mask shard

[gray rivet]

:3 hru

[shrewd meadow]

eepy

[shrewd walrus]

Most areas have at least one

[shrewd meadow]

wings only

unless you mean queens station

[sour flax]

wings?

i want wings..

[shrewd meadow]

wings

[gray rivet]

me to o

[shrewd walrus]

Do you want me to just tell you how to get double jump

[shrewd meadow]

something tells me they don't have cdash

idk why I just get that vibe

[magic storm]

Something tells me you don’t have a brain

[sour flax]

whats that

[shrewd meadow]

??

[magic storm]

Idk that was mean sorry

I couldn’t find a way to tie it to Genshin

[shrewd walrus]

Have you found the dung defender?

[magic storm]

Ngl

[sour flax]

who is that

[magic storm]

The worst thing that could happen

[shrewd walrus]

That’s a no

[magic storm]

Would be finding out throws mother plays genshin

[keen thorn]

You're probably gonna feel it when you come back, but it's part of the process.
Sometimes you just can't play for long enough

[shrewd meadow]

genio why are you old

[wind otter]

Chat is this OP or am I trippin

[shrewd meadow]

stop that

[magic storm]

You’re tripping

You need to be healing for it to activate
You lose the soul spent during the healing
30 seconds is a long time in battle

[wind otter]

Is it too weak

[wild sierra]

Abyss climb :0

(Def legit trust)

[keen thorn]

Idk throwout, why are YOUR old

[magic storm]

You’re both children smh

[shrewd meadow]

ok unc

unc think he still got it

[magic storm]

I don’t need to got it I’m retired

[shrewd walrus]

You kill your own siblings?

[wind otter]

Chat this isn't OP right

[magic storm]

See nickname

[carmine lava]

are your

[shrewd meadow]

quanters did you finish rain world for the archipelago yet

[carmine lava]

no i keep forgetting

i’ll do it later

[shrewd meadow]

go finish it

the last person...

[carmine lava]

technically what’s the issue with me never finishing it

[shrewd meadow]

the archipelago never finishes

and we never start a new one...

[sour flax]

i wonder if ill ever finish path of pain...

[shrewd walrus]

I wouldn’t wish that hell on my worst enemies

Have you finished the greenpath parkour

[sour flax]

wat

[wind otter]

I think my HK rebalance sheet is done, now to just (eventually) make the mod

[shrewd walrus]

Actually, never mind that’s a stupid question, you probably don’t have crystal dash yet so you couldn’t

[boreal locust]

Who said you can't beat greenpath parkour without Crystal heart?

[magic storm]

I have over 1050 hours in the game and never did

[shrewd walrus]

I did,

[shrewd walrus]

I will probably spend half of that time on pop

[sour flax]

vengeful spirit might be peak...

[sour flax]

is greenpath the place where you first fight hornet?

[boreal locust]

Yes

[sour flax]

i didnt notice anything too hard abt it

maybe yall are talking abt smth else?

[boreal locust]

Did you fought the mantis lords?

[shrewd walrus]

Yes, if you drop down from the stag place all the way to the bottom, then go left

[boreal locust]

There's an area where You need to do a short parkour that makes you get an special ability for your sword

[wild sierra]

…

No

Idk what you mean…

[boreal locust]

When you fight with your brothers shades in the void, dont you kill them?

[shrewd walrus]

Your pfp and video says otherwise

[shrewd walrus]

Not just a void, but all over the ancient basin

[boreal locust]

The what?

[sour flax]

i got dashmaster is that good

[empty lynx]

For exploration yes
Maybe in some fights

[shrewd walrus]

The ancient basin is where the void is located, same with the palace grounds

[sour flax]

even if it was good i would still prolly not use it

im only at 5 notches

[shrewd walrus]

I have never used it

[boreal locust]

Ah yes, sorry I talk spanish so i know it for the spanish names

[wild sierra]

…

Nope…

[shrewd walrus]

… sure … must be your cousins from above

[stark crater]

man i wish it didn't make you wall jump if you double jump next to a wall with 0 directional input

[sour flax]

why does the mantis village have nothing

oh wait

nvm i didnt see the gaping hole in the floor

[shrewd walrus]

Wait, is the gaping hole already there? Did I really push off the mantis lords for that long

[wild sierra]

How did you know

[sour flax]

the mantis lords are this early???

im just seeing more mantis loot stuff things

oh no

[shrewd walrus]

Send me a screenshot

[sour flax]

i found them

screw it

[shrewd walrus]

Was it the huge nearly bottomless pit?

[sour flax]

got folded instantly

prolly cuz i was on 2 masks

[shrewd walrus]

Well now I’m going to quickly hop on and defeat them

[sour flax]

i was doing fine until i accidentally jumped

[shrewd walrus]

Then don’t jump

[keen thorn]

Ahhhh autocorrect

[sour flax]

ok the other attacks are fine for me its ONLY the attack where they throw out the circle things

[boreal locust]

You need to focus on the position before the attack

They will be or a little up, or a little down

If its up, they'll throw the circles from up to down

An from down to up in the other position

[sour flax]

i dont even know if im ready for them

[stark crater]

they're definitely doable but it's up to you whether you want to get upgrades first

idk if you found it but there's a building that lets you upgrade your nail left of the city

[sour flax]

alr found that

how do i get a pale ore?

[stark crater]

they're spread out across the map

[boreal locust]

The first upgrade doesnt need pale ore

[raven rock]

in various places

[sour flax]

i alr got the first upgrade

[boreal locust]

The easiest ore i can remember is above ancient basin

[raven rock]

I think the first one I got was in hallownests crown

[sour flax]

EIAJIAD I GOT ONE DOWN

[boreal locust]

But for that you'll need monarch wings, that are in ancient basin

[sour flax]

ok i understand my issue

[raven rock]

the humble pickaxe pogo

[boreal locust]

Hehe

[raven rock]

but yes the one in ancient basin is prob the easiest

[sour flax]

for the first phase my issue is the higher circle slash

[stark crater]

i dont even think you need to pogo a pickaxe, i only remember pogoing a crystal prop sticking out of the wall and a crystal hunter projectile

to get the pale ore without wings

[boreal locust]

There are two attacks again

[sour flax]

for the 2nd phase my issue is the one where the circles linger in the center for a second

[raven rock]

you can jump around and pogo on them

[sour flax]

i know what to do my brain just thinks its the lower slash

[boreal locust]

The firts one is the circles going fast an from left to right and viceverse

[stark crater]

yeah look at see where they're on the wall, if they're high just stay put and jump when it comes back. if they're low jump at first and then stay on the ground

[sour flax]

like its the only thing that hits me every now and then

[boreal locust]

The second they go slowly from up to down

[sour flax]

ok where is the ancient basin cuz yall are saying its around there?

[raven rock]

below royal waterways

[wide crown]

By lower tram

[boreal locust]

That is below city of tears

[raven rock]

yes that too

[sour flax]

where do i go to the lower tram

[raven rock]

deepnest

[sour flax]

where is that

[somber cedar]

you know how theres benches during pantheons right?

[raven rock]

you gain access to it after beating the mantis lords

or you can fall into it somewhere else in the fungal wastes

[somber cedar]

if you go on the bench and quit, then open the game again, will you still be on the bench?

[raven rock]

I don't think so

I'm gonna test that out

[sour flax]

am i the only one that binds down to rightmb

[somber cedar]

what

[sour flax]

so easy to pogo with it

[somber cedar]

why??

[raven rock]

I just tried, it did not put me on the bench in the pantheon

[somber cedar]

ok

xx

[upper remnant]

maybe

on the topic of keybinds, is there anyone else that uses k and l for attack and dash respectively

[stark crater]

low key smart

if you're using mouse

[somber cedar]

i just use default keybinds but m for inventory and space for jump

[stark crater]

i use a controller and in silksong so many times i've failed to pogo because i'm too horizontal and not enough down

[clever ore]

@shut cape 6 masks :D

[shut cape]

grind until you have 8

buy all sly shards

[clever ore]

alrighty

[clever ore]

i did

[strong skiff]

Should i like be trying to not have long ish breaks
Is it like a sizible difference

[strong skiff]

Just have it regen 2 every successfull heal

[sour flax]

wait to be clear do we all use m1 for attack or is it just me

[keen thorn]

Yeah, if you want to commit to a challenge try to not take breaks unless you're completely burnt out.
Imo that just sets you up for failure and make you even more burnt out.

But ofc life is life and can't be stopped so don't stop doing important things

And if you take a break imo it is better to come back with something else

How do you think I ended up doing PC

[strong skiff]

Nah im not burnt out with the challange

I just rarely REALLY feel like doing it yk

Just not very interrested but its cool

Maybe ill see about lowering the amount of breaks thanks

[sour flax]

okay so ive found deepnest...

[strong skiff]

I am commited to the challange,thats the only godhome thing im doing
I wont force myself to play it of course
And i dont really wanna grind constantly
But i also dont want to spend 20 hours on a 6 hour challange ykwim
So yeah i'll see about lowering the amount of breaks

Or pauses un between or whatwver

[haughty edge]

@strong skiff what challenge are u doing??

[strong skiff]

Low gear pp

[haughty edge]

idk what pp is in this context... the low gear part i understand, lol.

[autumn dawn]

yeah I'm not familiarized with the HK meaning of pp either unless they mean pop or popv

[strong skiff]

Pale prince

[somber cedar]

tf is the pale prince

[worn hamlet]

modded version of pv

[ripe moth]

hi hkdisc hkgen is in turmoil yet again

[gray rivet]

hiihiiiii

[ripe moth]

haiii :3

[gray rivet]

hru :3