hk-discussion

[analog laurel]

💀💀💀

they aren’t trying to troll you

there’s no official map it’s really just go where you can go

[astral wave]

ik

i understood

[analog laurel]

ok🙏🏾reading it in sequence made it come across sassier in my head lmao

there are some unofficial maps tht r really well done just kind of makes no sense with no POI to reference

[proven torrent]

iirc theres mods that add extra maps for white palace and stuff

[signal creek]

so like... what now?

[astral wave]

can i not paste images?

[signal creek]

need to send 300 messages before image perms

[analog laurel]

obvi go to grey mourner and deliver the flower

[astral wave]

i am at the saw blade part rn

[vestal sky]

have you been to the abyss

[analog laurel]

there’s a lot of saw blade parts unfortunately

[signal creek]

how do i get in i thought i needed to beat them 3 dreamers

[signal creek]

yes

[astral wave]

the one where theres only one space to jump

[signal creek]

but im trying to get the normal ending for my first playthrough

so no voidheart

[finite ember]

@rose harness Do u like cheese ?

[analog laurel]

the path of pain????

[rose harness]

Stfu

[astral wave]

no

regular palace

[analog laurel]

oooooh k gotcha gotcha

[dim flare]

[astral wave]

nah this part rlly hard

not the sawblade

the one after

[hidden spire]

I just lost the game

[sick heath]

Damn

[deep knot]

john silksong has been beaten

oh i forgot this happened

[astral wave]

yo can u hop on stream , this part kinda tough

[deep knot]

QUIRRELLLLLLL

[analog laurel]

ngl im at work atm🫠you got time later today? im outta here 1pm EST

[astral wave]

thats 11:30 in the night for me

[odd salmon]

@mellow fable grown adults 2 year old

Took me over 30 mins for that joke

[marsh mason]

Guyz

Im scared

I need to fight abs radiance

[static charm]

wrong chat

[odd salmon]

Right chat

[static charm]

(i posted silksong stuff by accident)

@

[wild sierra]

Fish

[keen gazelle]

Hi

[opaque citrus]

can i revive myself on steel soul
by like editing data

[sick heath]

No

[opaque citrus]

sad

why did i even go steel soul with mods

[tiny yoke]

PURE VESSEL RADIANT

[wild sierra]

learn more

[tropic nest]

Yes

[wild sierra]

Bruh the rest didn’t paste

[obtuse lark]

I just managed to beat NKG almost hitless (taking only one hit) using the ancient art of shutting the f up and locking in

[opaque citrus]

how

tootorial me

[naive dew]

Hii conr hru

[sick heath]

Hi melone I am good hru

[tropic nest]

||https://bloodorca.github.io/hollow/ change permadeathMode from 2 to 1||

[obtuse lark]

bro just make a new save, what's the point of steel soul if ur not gonna commit

[odd salmon]

What's your point?

[trail flume]

bro's anticipated for 'open to lan' ah tutorial

[naive dew]

I wm good ty

Wyd

[opaque citrus]

i mean

its a 3 minute save

[trail flume]

cuz bro wanna show others how 'good' he's got 💀

[sick heath]

Nothing, waiting for my train

[naive dew]

Im ON a train..

[opaque citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/hotdog-straw-gif-25765355

theres no sense in reviving if its steel soul

i just wanted to know if thats possible

im not gonna revive a 3 minute save😭

[tropic nest]

right

[odd salmon]

@steady sigil can't snowmobile without thumbs

[signal creek]

i did it after 30 hours yayyy

first playthrough done

[opaque citrus]

why windowed

[signal creek]

i forgot to turn fullscreen back onnnnnn!!!! YAYYYYY

now time for white defender

[trail flume]

ah don worry I was teasing 😂

[signal creek]

nice 88% out of 112

[odd salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/ahaha-wave-bye-fearless-imout-gif-4320623434559332556

[sharp maple]

Theory, Dream bosses are just the bosses but having achieved their dream to become what they want

[odd salmon]

Adios @steady sigil

[sick heath]

Thats is exactly what they are

That and/or their their past glory

[red jungle]

why is white defender lowkey hard

[sick heath]

Difficult boss

[proven torrent]

dream boss, theyre usually hard

[wild sierra]

🔒 Message hidden

-# Discord now requires ID verification in order to see certain messages. learn more

[sick heath]

Crazy

[safe wraith]

Does anyone have any tips for pantheon 5

Like which charms should I use

[proven torrent]

yeah this stopped being funny the 20th time ive seen it

[wild sierra]

:D

[sick heath]

It was funny once ngl

[proven torrent]

yeah once

not as funny when everyone is spamming it

[digital grove]

strength, quickslash, shaman stone, and spell twister is a good middle ground of being built around both nail and spell

[safe wraith]

Ok

[digital grove]

though shaman can be replaced with markof pride or qfocus if you prefer nail or faster healing, then spell twister can be any 2 notch charm or two 1 notch charms of your liking

[carmine lava]

the funny thing is that even if you did send explicit content here you’d just get banned lol

[signal creek]

How do I get the dung defender to go to sleep so I can beat his dream self up

[heavy barn]

ew you left the tracking parameter in the link

[proven torrent]

literally lmao

[digital grove]

you need to get all 3 dreamers

[opaque citrus]

sit on a bench

[last blade]

im so fucking done with nightmare king grimm i swear

[opaque citrus]

huh?

[signal creek]

I have beaten the hollow knight

[sick heath]

I am going to shot the sun its in my eyes i hate it

[proven torrent]

yeah thats what the message says

[signal creek]

Click the link

[opaque citrus]

no i know about the age verification

[digital grove]

in that case just bench and use dive/ddark on this area in the ground here

[opaque citrus]

why does it affect this image thats what im talking about

[signal creek]

I have already been down there

[proven torrent]

its fake lmao

[opaque citrus]

haha sometimes

[zinc verge]

hey fellas im counting the amount of agrees i get on this statement; nkg is a fun fight (count 2)

[digital grove]

did you talk to him in his arena after beating him?

[signal creek]

Ssshhh get them to click the link /j

[proven torrent]

wdym sometimes its literally fake

[opaque citrus]

sneaky

[proven torrent]

its a joke

[opaque citrus]

i know

[digital grove]

nkg is ok, i do prefer tmg

[zinc verge]

your name is delicious

[foggy sable]

same

tmg is so much better

[digital grove]

hiii grey

[keen thorn]

TMG is NKG but even worse

[digital grove]

geniooNVM

[foggy sable]

hi eig

[foggy sable]

lies all lies

[digital grove]

why are we lying about tmg

[foggy sable]

tmg is just nkg but better paced

and with a nicer flow to it

[obtuse lark]

I just beat NKG on radient!

[proven torrent]

nice

[idle belfry]

@sick heath heads

[digital grove]

nice job

[sick heath]

Nice

[keen thorn]

Both way too slow

slower vs slowest

[strong skiff]

Tmg is nkg but it takes less so its better

[foggy sable]

the tmg punishes are better

the fight has better music

[digital grove]

truee

[strong skiff]

Genio why did you send me sickness

This fucking sucks

[keen thorn]

[heavy barn]

Tmg is slow enough to do really funny cyclone strats

[proven torrent]

I didnt know nkg was this hated 😭

[foggy sable]

the cyclone is so nice

[foggy sable]

mostly only by people who do endgame challenge runs

[sick heath]

I hate him because its funny

[foggy sable]

nkg is a good fight but when you do it a thousand times becomes mindless

[steep sierra]

Man I have done 111% on steel soul I am really scared to do the third trial of fool

[zinc iris]

Practice a bunch on a normal save

[foggy sable]

colo 3 is fine compared to p4

just remember to heal when it is safe

[deep knot]

wow.

i literally killed her in like 5 hits or somethin with fury

i thought this was gonna be hard

going back to HK after skong makes me feel powerful

[keen thorn]

i relate to that person. everyone here constantly ignores me and also beats me to death daily. Nobody talks about my favorite boss nkg who is like a dance

[digital grove]

Words cannot describe my love for Nightmare King Grimm.

[keen thorn]

Noooo not that one 😭

[digital grove]

Oh wait i was quoting something else is that actually a copypasta LOL

[sick heath]

Cool

[digital grove]

This is the one i was quoting yeah

top tier

[sick heath]

I think

[brave kite]

wdym he's like the least soul crushing endgame boss

[muted spade]

is there a way to reverse save or something

[sturdy island]

why

[keen thorn]

In this game no

[keen thorn]

After 1000 fights he gets so mindnumbingly easy he's no different from mmc

[muted spade]

i accidentally killed the songtress bug

[keen thorn]

But at least mmc ends in 10 seconds

[sturdy island]

Damn

[brave kite]

i almost first tried him when i did p5ab

[fallow skiff]

can you guys pls give me a fun p5 challenge that i could upload to yt?

[quasi forge]

p5ab

[sturdy island]

P5 but I use all the lifeblood and health charms

[quasi forge]

better yet r5ab

r045

[sturdy island]

(Joni's, Core, L Heart and U Heart)

[fallow skiff]

i already did that tho

[quasi forge]

ok do r045

[fallow skiff]

and im definetly not doing that amy time soon😭

[brave kite]

make sure to use joni's blessing with deep focus

[muted spade]

YES
IT WORKED HA

[fallow skiff]

that could be fun

[quasi forge]

should be easy if u alr did p5ab

[sturdy island]

You just gotta tank

[sturdy island]

but it'd be good content

[heavy barn]

no benching if you want something harder

[fallow skiff]

yeah, i thought about no benches

[heavy barn]

wait do hot springs heal joni hearts

[sturdy island]

i dont think so

[heavy barn]

if they do that doesn't do anything

[heavy barn]

I meant the full lifeblood build with no benching

[quartz cave]

i miss her

[foggy sable]

you could just also ban hotsprings

oswald

[quasi forge]

wiltedrose

[quartz cave]

hiii grfire hru

[fallow skiff]

yeah, thats also what i meant

[foggy sable]

I'm good hru

[quartz cave]

thats mainstream hop on 🎋

[quartz cave]

im soooo sleeepy and a bit thirsty

[mossy needle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-run-anime-run-fall

[quasi forge]

🪫

[fallow skiff]

im wondering, whats that?

[quasi forge]

r5ab but u have nail 0 and white spells

[fallow skiff]

whats nail 0?

[quartz cave]

who decided that 0 = nail 0 and white spells

[quasi forge]

old nail

[quartz cave]

no upgrades

[fallow skiff]

ohh

[heavy barn]

"0 upgrades"

[quasi forge]

osbald talking about hk wtf

[heavy barn]

I think

[quartz cave]

just call it onws ong

[foggy sable]

I personally think nail 0 is a bad term

[quartz cave]

wait this is kinda true

[wind garnet]

Osbald knows everything

[quartz cave]

suspicious feline.

[foggy sable]

if it was nail 1 then you could have 14

[wind garnet]

Grey

[quartz cave]

knows what

[fallow skiff]

i call old nail nail 1

[foggy sable]

where 1 is level 1 spells and level 1 nail

suscat

[quartz cave]

what

😭

[foggy sable]

so nail 0 is the term for base nail right

[quartz cave]

yeah...

go on.

[foggy sable]

if instead of being called nail 0 it was called nail 1

[heavy barn]

yeah cause having 0 as the index usually implies there's something special about it rather than just being the default state

[foggy sable]

then no upgrades would have level 1 nail and level 1 spells

rather than no upgrades nail but non default spells

[quartz cave]

but that doesnt have the same ring to it as nail 0

[foggy sable]

because no spells are default obtained

[quartz cave]

nail 0 sounds so fucking badass

[heavy barn]

-1 nail challenges would make more sense

[brave kite]

btw what does the nail binding even do?

[heavy barn]

80% nail damage with a cap of 13

[foggy sable]

then you could have your 1 nail damage be -14r because the 1 still indicates level 1 spells

but nooo instead we have nonsensical terms

[brave kite]

i allways thought that the bosses hp would get nerfed too except for minions

[fallow skiff]

why?

[brave kite]

they seemed to die faster than when i used to play with charms

prolly cuz i got better

[fallow skiff]

probably

[graceful frigate]

Im so terrible rn

I just died to MASSIVE MOSS CHARGER

ON ATUNED

[fallow skiff]

damn

[heavy barn]

gg

[brave kite]

breaks bro breaks

[graceful frigate]

It is BECAUSE of a break

[brave kite]

what

[fallow skiff]

was that a 15 year break?

[graceful frigate]

1 week

[fallow skiff]

hmm

[jade dawn]

charm balancing when 🗣️

[graceful frigate]

That's always the case for me

[fallow skiff]

never ig

[ebon depot]

I dont think n0 itself is the problem, the community just started getting dumber with abbreviations as time went on and started appending "implied" ones that make no sense

[jade dawn]

damn

dont lose hope

[foggy sable]

I agree in isolation it is fine

but as soon as you start compounding it with other terms it sort of devolves

[ebon depot]

But yes n0 for n0ws is stupid and i hate it

[graceful frigate]

Even if i take a small break i get super rusty

[graceful frigate]

Tf is n0ws

[ebon depot]

Nail 0 white spells

[foggy sable]

I had an argument with quantum once because I thought -14r was a bad term for what it describes

good times

[ebon depot]

It is

[brave kite]

you see, 0 is the smallest natural number so it makes sense

[graceful frigate]

What does it describe? R is radiant probably but -14?

[ebon depot]

And we just wont even mention croco, we went completely off the rails there

[graceful frigate]

Oh that's just dumb

[fallow skiff]

0 isnt natural?

[heavy barn]

It's undecided

Depends on who you ask

[foggy sable]

1 nail damage white spells

[carmine lava]

i remember when it was just 0w

[ebon depot]

I can live with that aswell

[brave kite]

i lied

[graceful frigate]

Then why -14

[foggy sable]

because it becomes a negative nail upgrade

[heavy barn]

If you got a negative nail upgrade it'd work out to 1 damage

[ebon depot]

As soon as you start "implying" stuff in already established abbrevs is where i think it starts getting dumb

[graceful frigate]

THEN WHY -14 AND NOT -1

[foggy sable]

and I thought that -14r didn't inherently imply white spells

[heavy barn]

The 4 is 4 bindings

[graceful frigate]

Ohhh

Im dubm

[foggy sable]

because the number is now about changing the nail values again

[heavy barn]

Does -1 include 1 damage spells

[ebon depot]

Yeah it doesnt, it just assumes you know whitespells is included

[foggy sable]

it is just normal white spells

[carmine lava]

1 damage spells is crazy

[foggy sable]

it assumes it yes but it isn't necessarily a logical assumption to make if you aren't starting from the position of knowing what it means

I thought it was void spells because there is no indicator of spell level

[ebon depot]

ye thats what i meant, you just have to know what the community actually thinks the challenge is you cant actually get it just from the "abbreviation"

[foggy sable]

there are some other funny ones as well if I can remember

oh ye the indicator for charmless is another 0

[keen thorn]

I made F5 get traction
We can start fixing abbreviations

[carmine lava]

0w0 my beloved

[keen thorn]

It'd be good with -1w instead of just -1

[graceful frigate]

What's F5

[keen thorn]

-1no

And -1 would not imply anything about spells

[keen thorn]

Fury "hitless" P5

[graceful frigate]

So easier R5?

[keen thorn]

Yes

[ebon depot]

i like f5

[foggy sable]

well... easier depends on who you ask

[keen thorn]

YES Fire YES

[carmine lava]

nuh uh -14r looks too cool

[foggy sable]

ummm I mean yes

[ebon depot]

the 4 is dumb aswell why are we just stealing the chinese abbrevs smh

we had AB for years and everything was fine

[keen thorn]

But then there's another issue

You can't force a language change

[carmine lava]

because it looks cooler and the chinese are cool

[keen thorn]

And this is language

[carmine lava]

numbers are better than letters

[graceful frigate]

4 is just a bad 2 copy

Change my mind

[keen thorn]

Well there is a case for 04, AB0w is not as appealing but not as bad

Or 0wAB

[ebon depot]

i much prefer n0wAB

[carmine lava]

the n ruins it for me

[foggy sable]

before I knew hk challenge running terms I called it onwsAB

[keen thorn]

There's also an issue of keeping adding letters

[ebon depot]

i want my abbreviations to actually be abbreviations instead of terms that you cant actually decipher but have to memorize because they arent even abbreviations anymore

[foggy sable]

which is too long but like

[keen thorn]

0w makes sense enough
n0ws is longer and makes sense too but

Currently for nail 0 white spells we have
0
0w
n0w
n0ws

[ebon depot]

0w would be fine if we didnt start using 0 for charmless for some godforsaken reason

[carmine lava]

when does anyone use 0 for charmless outside of 0w0

[graceful frigate]

-14r looks like a cipher code

[keen thorn]

And like xkcd said

[carmine lava]

n0w makes no sense because at that point just use n0ws

if you’re gonna add more clarity to the nail you should add more clarity to the spells too

[graceful frigate]

Can't we just make a normalised challange name list?

[ebon depot]

tbf i think those are pretty interchangable, what else could possibly be meant with the w lol

[keen thorn]

You can't just force language, that's the thing

[graceful frigate]

With pepole voting on abriviations

[ebon depot]

the problem why you need the n clarification is just 0w0

[carmine lava]

rip free speech

[foggy sable]

you could use cl for charmless or something

[graceful frigate]

Comunism or something i didn't pay atention

[foggy sable]

but that is also collectorless so idk

[keen thorn]

Charmless
CB
0
CL

[carmine lava]

when does anyone use 0 for charmless outside of 0w0

[keen thorn]

I like CB, MB, SB, NB

[ebon depot]

never but 0w0 exists so its ambigous, thats the entire problem

[sour forge]

hey guys how to get an access to vc?

[red jungle]

I just beat pantheon 4 with glowing womb

lets gooo

[ebon depot]

people could use it for both so you cant know what is actually meant

[carmine lava]

yeah so the 0 isn’t ambiguous then

they never use it for both though

[sour forge]

congrats

[keen thorn]

owo exists as an excuse for furries to be able to owo without being looked at

[ebon depot]

only a sith deals in absolutes

[signal creek]

Wait so sly was the one who taught the three nail masters?

[carmine lava]

send more messages

[graceful frigate]

Yes

[sour forge]

oh oke thanks

[sour forge]

yup

[mossy needle]

OwO

[graceful frigate]

Also wtf is that pfp

[ebon depot]

this is true

[sturdy kelp]

No he just happened to have this room in his basement

[red jungle]

what is that goofy aah cutscene

[signal creek]

Aight

[signal creek]

Gabriel ultrakill

[sour forge]

that's a normal pfp

[graceful frigate]

No? There are normalised forms of words dispite more than one being correct

[keen thorn]

Ono is xool

[ebon depot]

also its not just charmless because 0 is also used for whitespells

[graceful frigate]

I just couldn't decipher is that trobio or gabriel

[signal creek]

Find it amusing how nobody has commented on the charm name yet

[keen thorn]

But then if you wanted to do more you have
sno, cno, cno, pno

So like...

[ebon depot]

what in the world does any of that mean

[graceful frigate]

That's just a fact

[keen thorn]

Sharpened nail only, channeled nail only, coiled nail only, pure nail only

They look bad

[ebon depot]

that is cursed

[keen thorn]

Also also

At the current state you end up with

[graceful frigate]

Then just n1 n2 and so on

[ebon depot]

why not just n{z}o

[keen thorn]

P045 NNA NMA

[graceful frigate]

Huh

[ebon depot]

whats nma again

[keen thorn]

No movement abilites

[ebon depot]

oh major abilities?

ah movement, right

[graceful frigate]

Looks like an ancient language with numbers mixed in

[keen thorn]

And make ono an exception ig because n0o looks really bad

[ebon depot]

no nail arts

[graceful frigate]

NOOOOO

[ebon depot]

i think it looks fine honestly lol

[keen thorn]

noo

Also I'd like a way to easily say things likr

Dashless
Wings only item
VS only spell

Collector RAB woi

[earnest apex]

:3

[ebon depot]

im ngl i think at a certain point of nicheness youre better off just writing atleast that part of the challenge out lmao

[graceful frigate]

VSo?

[keen thorn]

VSos

[ebon depot]

although i do wonder why there is no dashless abbrev

thats pretty common

[keen thorn]

Probably

[keen thorn]

Let's just popularize DL

[earnest apex]

Nice French Southern and Antarctic Lands flag

[graceful frigate]

True

[keen thorn]

Currently
CL means collectorless (R04HoG CL)
NL means nailless

[carmine lava]

i hate the p

[rich stone]

These abrivations have because super confusing

[carmine lava]

why do you think the 5 is there

[graceful frigate]

Collector less?

[earnest apex]

But Heard Island and Mcdonald Islands looks better though

[carmine lava]

people that are too scared to do collector

[earnest apex]

CL could also mean the RAM latency lol

[graceful frigate]

I don't think its the right reply

[carmine lava]

just say you didn’t do 04r hog and move on

[ebon depot]

i dont think the p is the problem the numbers deviating from the standard {difficulty specifier}p{N}{challenge} is just cursed

[earnest apex]

🇭🇲

[ebon depot]

every new abbreviation seems to just scramble the order of where to put stuff around for some reason

[keen thorn]

The context is clearly HK so there's no ambiguity with like, NL the Netherlands ISO

[graceful frigate]

Lets just make one up

[earnest apex]

Sorry if I made you feel furious

[keen thorn]

Yeah

[rich stone]

In challange runs enemy spam bosses tend to become way harder than other bosses

[graceful frigate]

That's how language works

[graceful frigate]

Off brand Australia

[magic storm]

@late citrus reference

[earnest apex]

This one looks beautiful ngl

[keen thorn]

P504 looks neat enough ig
The Chinese maybe just ordered the numbers actually

[ebon depot]

yeah i agree, that looks fine

[earnest apex]

Australia: Christmas Edition

[graceful frigate]

That one is really nICE

Ill shut up now

[magic storm]

Cas latency not overall ram latency smh

[late citrus]

YESSSSSSS THAT'S ME

[finite ember]

@earnest apex hey man Guess what?

[earnest apex]

Oh no

[rare dawn]

hornet is hot

[keen thorn]

For now let's start popularizing something

[earnest apex]

[keen thorn]

What do you think is the most offensive?

[magic storm]

Ddr5 6000 cl30 does not have higher latency than ddr4 3200 cl16

[ebon depot]

making me feel like im developing a programming language with how complicated this shit gets smh

[graceful frigate]

DL is the best like you said

[finite ember]

Did you know you cant say the word "Rough" twice in a row???

|| Good Boooooooy ||

[keen thorn]

2 hit R5 DL

[earnest apex]

[rich stone]

What is DL

[keen thorn]

Dashless

[finite ember]

Dickless

[keen thorn]

But see? Now we have people asking what is DL

[magic storm]

Divided light

[keen thorn]

[finite ember]

Almost

[ebon depot]

we should develop a bot that auto decrypts abbreviations iirc

[carmine lava]

some things just need to be left as words

[earnest apex]

Rub it out

[magic storm]

Basically windows that have like lines going across rather than just a single panel

[graceful frigate]

Yeah but we also had pepole asking what R5 means

That's always how it will be with abriviations

[ebon depot]

personally i think implying whitespells when doing 0 is the most aggregious, although i doubt we can still change that

[rich stone]

I atleast know like basic abbreviations like R5 and AB

[ebon depot]

the old abbreviations still exist theres just a mix of both being used now and i dont think thats revertable

[keen thorn]

I've only seen this happen with 04 which is not changing

[foggy sable]

I once had the thought to split the spell and nail abbreviations for specific nail damage challenges

but that seems more complicated

[keen thorn]

N3WS

[empty lynx]

ts is not going gng

[keen thorn]

Looks fine

[ebon depot]

i mean that already exists with n{N}ws yeah

[empty lynx]

Nail 3 white spells

[foggy sable]

but if you still want it in numeric formatting

[graceful frigate]

Breaking N3WS

[ebon depot]

i guess you could just do n{N}{ws|vs}

[keen thorn]

P345

[magic storm]

Can we just make stuff up and let people guess what they mean instead of having standardized abbreviations

[keen thorn]

Vengeful spirit

[foggy sable]

but it just stays a mess no matter how yo utry it

[graceful frigate]

What is that suposed to mean

[ebon depot]

ah shit right

void spells are kinda cooked

[magic storm]

Kind of like what we do for collector

[keen thorn]

I did untouchable collector :>

[carmine lava]

i think we can all agree that void spells are implied 99% of the time and don’t need an abbreviation

[foggy sable]

collector stages are egregious

[graceful frigate]

VOS?

[graceful frigate]

Oh right

[carmine lava]

what is that

[rich stone]

What do you mean by untouchable

[empty lynx]

We say WORDS gang

[keen thorn]

Idk I just made that up

[ebon depot]

actually yeah valid, assuming the only isnt applied when doing n{N}( which it kinda is lol )

[foggy sable]

funnily enough last time we talked about -14r I said that

[keen thorn]

But that's how collector challenges are named

[earnest apex]

WORDS gang

[keen thorn]

Imo there are 3 stages

[quick sable]

BOIS I HAVE JUST BEATEN NKG ON MOBILE

[keen thorn]

Implied void spells
White spells
Nail only

[foggy sable]

in the case where the the -1 applies to the nail damage with no indicator for spells void spells are most naturally assumed

[empty lynx]

Have a happy breakfast

[keen thorn]

So just having nothing/ws/no should be more than good enough

[empty lynx]

Nice bro ggs :)

[foggy sable]

and you know what happened? everyone disagreed and I'm still salty

[quick sable]

Now p5

[carmine lava]

you wouldn’t know -14 without already knowing 04

[thorn leaf]

Should I do steel mode?

[empty lynx]

Shit bro 💔

[keen thorn]

Russian players have -1R5 listed as a challenge, with black spells and it's under nail only iirc

[empty lynx]

Ehhhh it's mostly just a routing challenge tbh

[quick sable]

Maybe p5 later and now pop

[rich stone]

If you want to I personally don't find steel soul that fun

[foggy sable]

aha it isn't logical

[ebon depot]

yeah that makes sense, so n{N}{ no | ws | | }

[keen thorn]

Yeah

[thorn leaf]

Alrighty then

[foggy sable]

because as a term it sucks and is unclear on the spells

[keen thorn]

I really like that

[empty lynx]

Do you like going around progressing slowly and satisfyingly?

[graceful frigate]

How

[empty lynx]

Yea PoP is a good place to start

Just please don't fuck it up on the final room

(i did 4 times)

[quick sable]

Nah ill js go with shaman stone and hive blood with full soul

[ebon depot]

i say we develop a bot that decrypts abbreviations based on a standard and shrimply ban everyone that deviates from that iirc

[empty lynx]

Wonderful

[quick sable]

I alr beaten the game atp 2 times

[empty lynx]

Do you realize just how many message floods that will be in the 12 hours y'all are on

[foggy sable]

in 2 days I've been in conversations that I was in months ago

[graceful frigate]

Like what

[quick sable]

When is SOS coming 😫

[foggy sable]

and in both times the opinions of everyone else has been different with the same people in the conversations

[empty lynx]

nuh uh

[foggy sable]

hitless not being a clean definition

[graceful frigate]

Explain

[foggy sable]

and it can be if you include things like dream plats

[digital grove]

[quick sable]

Tbh im a person who prefers melee over ranged so much

[ebon depot]

can bots in-place edit messages

[foggy sable]

which everyone says as the example of some hitless rulesets being stupid

[empty lynx]

You should try both ngl

[copper spruce]

Screaming

[foggy sable]

define a hit

[empty lynx]

Spells are amazing and nail is stupid powerful

[red jungle]

i beat p4 are you proud of me

[empty lynx]

@digital grove they are saying WORDS eig

[quick sable]

Nah i cant multi attack using both soul and nail i get a bit confused

[foggy sable]

uhhhh yes

[ebon depot]

in-place bot decryption does unironically sound cool, its not actually very practical ofcourse but it sounds like a cool project

[red jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[quick sable]

Now im go do my hw (math) before the class starts in 2 hours

[digital grove]

i missed a convo about the abbreviations grrr

[empty lynx]

that's fine just don't sleep on spells
Nail arts too but those are VERY hard to run on mobile

[graceful frigate]

If an atack/hazard touches a player hitbox no mather did you take damage

[foggy sable]

so is falling in dream plats a hit?

[red jungle]

am i allowed to post my p4 completion

[empty lynx]

yea go ahead

[red jungle]

https://youtu.be/bDgsJe1QsNQ

[quick sable]

Js imagine having a mobile screen that happens to stop u from holding while doing anything thats why we dont run nail arts

[empty lynx]

It's ok to be proud of something you did

[red jungle]

rate my thumbnail

[empty lynx]

LITERALLY

[ebon depot]

i still dont understand the hit debate, the game already does this in code aswell, its 100% defined

[empty lynx]

OMG it happens ALL the damn time

[graceful frigate]

Its not a hazard

[digital grove]

i miss pure vessel

[quick sable]

Especially when ur pogoing

[digital grove]

I miss fun fights

[foggy sable]

it is a hazard respawn

[quick sable]

Like oml

[foggy sable]

you get i frames

[graceful frigate]

Ok ill do it with more precision

[copper spruce]

If I punch you irl during a hitless run is it a hit

[digital grove]

born to fight pure vessel forced to fight Hornet 2

[quick sable]

Go use a pale king skin and go child abuse pure vessel

[ebon depot]

yes, the game places a hitbox in the void im pretty sure

[digital grove]

why would i do that

[foggy sable]

because people like to laugh at certain aspects of hitless rulesets like dream plats and fury setup(which is a hit imio)

[empty lynx]

Intresting charm build tbh
If you just want comfort iam right here vro

[foggy sable]

but they don't know what a hit is themselves

[topaz goblet]

hi

[quartz cave]

@empty lynx

[empty lynx]

@quartz cave

[graceful frigate]

If an atack/hazard that can deal damage touches a player hitbox no mather if a charm blocks it

[quartz cave]

e

[digital grove]

@quartz cave siiiiiiiiigh

[quartz cave]

pfffffff what do u want this time

[empty lynx]

fifth letter of the alphabet

[foggy sable]

so is dream shield a hit?

[copper spruce]

Why is a hit

[quartz cave]

this is kinda true

[empty lynx]

happy breakfast os i think did you eat already

[graceful frigate]

No

[quartz cave]

@copper spruce

[foggy sable]

i frames from DDark and shade cloak?

[copper spruce]

@quartz cave

[digital grove]

Why am i OSWALDS punching bag now

[quartz cave]

15 more mins !!

[empty lynx]

Yay

[quartz cave]

id never punch someone

[copper spruce]

I saw my grades post midterms and it made my soul leave my body@quartz cave

[quartz cave]

but my bark is in fact much worse than my bite

[digital grove]

grrrr i have never wished i was in a european timezone more than now

[empty lynx]

Look gr let's make this simple
It's just silly shit you needn't worry about it too much :)

[quartz cave]

wtf whyy did it not go well? :(

[digital grove]

7 hours yaaayyy

[foggy sable]

tbf it is an interesting topic

[quartz cave]

i LOVE european timrzones

[ebon depot]

to define a hit in language i would say
the players hurtbox and the hitbox of a damage dealing entity/object are overlapping while you do not currently possess i-frames

[foggy sable]

given how much people bring up th rulesets

[ebon depot]

because im pretty sure that is just straight up what the game checks

[copper spruce]

It's passing but barely

[graceful frigate]

Th ruleset is good for like dark souls

[quartz cave]

hey you still passed

[graceful frigate]

Not for hk

[copper spruce]

I'm lowk in a slump right now

[empty lynx]

True but like after 10 minutes you sound like a philsopher questioning how the fuck the big bang happened

[ebon depot]

it overlaps charm effects like carefree/baldur on this then but the general hit detection stays the same, the effect just varies

[keen thorn]

Imo a hit for hitless in HK is anything that either

1. Decreases your hp
2. Deals the damage specific knockback to you (if you don't have your inventory open ofc)
3. Respawns you as hazard

[red jungle]

i am the number one glowing womb fan

[strong skiff]

genio i hate modding

[copper spruce]

I will hit you

[empty lynx]

I can see that lol

[keen thorn]

I know

Rip

[strong skiff]

you dont know the extent

[vernal seal]

[strong skiff]

my saves 3 and 4 sync

if i have pcc and moresaves installed

[graceful frigate]

If an atack/hazard that can deal damage touches a player hitbox while they dont have i frames no mather if a charm blocks it

[strong skiff]

like geniunelly what the fuck

[vernal seal]

… ||how|| …

[stark marlin]

why is failed champion so much harder than radiance

[keen thorn]

Lmao

[vernal seal]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[strong skiff]

its not funny😭😭😭

[keen thorn]

@foggy sable do you find an issue?

[foggy sable]

not really

[keen thorn]

Just make a save sync mod fr

[foggy sable]

it isn't that I have issues with how people define hits

[stark marlin]

I literally can't with him
and doing him with hiveblood would mean having it on for the rest of p4

[keen thorn]

Do you have loopholes I mean

[foggy sable]

I just think that it is harder than people think to come up with an airtight definition

[strong skiff]

just make a fucking save desync mod youre so right fr

[frozen storm]

Hello

[vernal seal]

just… beat him (idk how to explain it)

[ebon depot]

but its just game-dev

[graceful frigate]

If an atack/hazard that can deal damage touches a player hitbox while they dont have i frames no mather if a charm blocks it

Any loopholes for this?

[topaz goblet]

i killed him

[ebon depot]

the devs had to implement this just say what they defined in the code

[foggy sable]

lets see

why are things that give i frames from touching hazards not counted as hits

the game treats them as such

[keen thorn]

Dream plats still fall as a hit because it can't deal damage

[strong skiff]

i dont think baldur shell counts as a hit in the code r5
does it

[topaz goblet]

i have no regrets

[stark marlin]

but how tf do I dodge him
the only bosses in p4 I had to dodge so far are like traitor lord, enraged guardian and failed champion
and failed champ is like hard man

[ebon depot]

no, just like it doesnt in radiant

[graceful frigate]

?

[foggy sable]

baldurs shell, which increases i frames as a result of getting hit works for dream plats

[graceful frigate]

That's stallwart shell

[foggy sable]

so all you've done is not include things the game treats as hits

[foggy sable]

yes my bad

[ebon depot]

the game doesnt run its normal hit-code on it, it runs the specific baldur-shell code on it

[topaz goblet]

he charged too big money

[vernal seal]

Jump and time monarch wings at the huge shockwave or try to time shade dash

[foggy sable]

the point I usually make from this is hitless rulesets are made subjectively to facilitate fun challenges

[graceful frigate]

Also i didn't know that

[foggy sable]

because the topic usually comes about from mocking existing rulesets

[empty lynx]

Btw eig I finally beat markoth yay

[topaz goblet]

literally

[analog laurel]

shit im sorry

[stark marlin]

and how to heal on him? should I use nail arts?

[graceful frigate]

That's why i spelled him

[digital grove]

gg

[topaz goblet]

SAME

[digital grove]

how was the wraithsing (assuming you used it on him)

[vernal seal]

just do it

[empty lynx]

i NEVER used wraiths after that attempt

[digital grove]

lol

[empty lynx]

Never trying to shit on ever again

Worst fucking spell

[stark marlin]

but man he's hard
I don't know when to heal

[digital grove]

understandable but hey you did it

[empty lynx]

okay so there is a cheese strat that you can do if you want

[digital grove]

now one of the big 3 horrid fights are done

[graceful frigate]

True

[stark marlin]

with hiveblood?

[mossy needle]

I read that as "Mankind is dead" im so ultrakill rotted

[graceful frigate]

How

[digital grove]

strength quickslash shaman stone and spell twister is a good starting point

[mossy needle]

Idfk

[ebon depot]

language sucks we should simply start talking in code iirc

[vernal seal]

Just try to remember his patterns and (maybe) use quick focus

[graceful frigate]

Can you like not read?

[empty lynx]

After so many "bro what the fuck was i supposed to do"'s

[ebon depot]

way too ambigous

[stark marlin]

I have it on
but no idea when it's time to heal

[brave kite]

"mankind is dead" more like my motivation after seeing brutal p2

[empty lynx]

When he staggers you can stand behind him smack his ass and dreamnail

[digital grove]

it combines nail and spell usage and you can adjust it to your liking with mark of pride in place of shaman if you like nail better or quick focus if you want faster healing

[foggy sable]

true actually

[graceful frigate]

It cant be that bad

[mossy needle]

I did brutal p-2 hitless :3

[digital grove]

oh no i mean as in that charm loadout is a good starting point if you want to make any adjustments

[stark marlin]

but this only gives more soul
and I have trouble healing in the first place

[digital grove]

if you want longer nail range, switch out shaman stone for mark of pride

[empty lynx]

Guess what
You can do the same thing to heal

[digital grove]

or spell twister for longnail

[brave kite]

i'm never trying soul crushing challenges after p5ab ever again

[empty lynx]

Smack that ass so he stays staggered

Heal once or twice

[vernal seal]

i think just take your time and try to find the gaps to heal (idk how i should explain it)

[stark marlin]

on the stagger right
but I die in between staggers

[empty lynx]

Hit dreamnail then repeat

[graceful frigate]

You did it?

[brave kite]

no

[empty lynx]

Well when you get soul for the rest of the fight you straight up just win

[digital grove]

<— still hasnt done p5ab award

[empty lynx]

you have abyss shriek and/or shade soul?

[stark marlin]

how? by spell spam? I have maxed character

[digital grove]

i think i should not do it just because its funny

[empty lynx]

I will be waiting for you to do that
The clock is ticking

[foggy sable]

it is

I still haven't done p4ab

[empty lynx]

Mhm. Preferably have shamman stone

[digital grove]

lmao p4ab is kinda slop so i dont blame you

[graceful frigate]

The hardest thing i did in a game ever in jevil 5 times in a row without heals (aka. Im shit at video games)

[digital grove]

especially if youre doing r5ab

[stark marlin]

but... then I'll have to have shaman for the rest of p4
same issue as with hiveblood...

[empty lynx]

That's not quite shit yknow

[digital grove]

like the entire first half besides lost kin is kind of garbage then the second half is soul sucking

[vernal seal]

i always ||(kinda)|| spam ddark ||(at some of the bosses)||

[foggy sable]

I could do it easily at any point but not doing it is the funnier option

[graceful frigate]

It is for me

[empty lynx]

OH P4
Actually just show me your charm build so i see what iam working with here

[digital grove]

lmao yeah

[graceful frigate]

I know i CAN push myself further so it is bad

[stark marlin]

I'm using charm build for tanking
but there's a bench right before fc

[vernal seal]

shaman is a good charm if u are a spell abuser

[empty lynx]

Just do hitless john mantle 2.5x speed and gain your champion tier

[empty lynx]

No ik what do you have tho

[graceful frigate]

?

[empty lynx]

Yea that was actually done

[foggy sable]

p5ab and r5 are close enough though in difficulty

[graceful frigate]

What's champion tier

[stark marlin]

I have all charms available
my build for the first part of p4 is stalwart, qf, grubsong, elegy, weaversong

[foggy sable]

that I think it could be beneficial to try both if you are doing one

[dry oasis]

How do i get people in my server

Oops this isnt google😅😅

[empty lynx]

Volume warning

[empty lynx]

Oh a rank in a server of challenge runner slops

[graceful frigate]

Ohhh

[vernal seal]

100 Zotes killed lets gooo

[graceful frigate]

I forgot im even in there

[red jungle]

fuck markoth

[digital grove]

i do wanna do p5ab at some point ngl i just dont wanna be thrown into the endless loop of ab godhome practice quite yet

[empty lynx]

lmao

[digital grove]

and rabhog even

[red jungle]

deltarune

[digital grove]

[ebon depot]

i disagree, not even because of the difficulty comment i just think r5 is ass lmao

[graceful frigate]

Mantle

[foggy sable]

I did find working on the mat the same time quite beneficial

[digital grove]

based!

[empty lynx]

Tbh rabhog is way more fun than p5ab

[graceful frigate]

Inside of deltarune

[foggy sable]

I didn't mind r5 tbh

[red jungle]

deltarune so peak

[foggy sable]

I hated p5ab first clear

[brave kite]

most times it is more about how much time you are willing to spend in order to complete a challenge

[vernal seal]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-falling-pain-comedy-peter-griffin-gif-4624632

[empty lynx]

Until you get to,,,
Deep breath,,,
Sisters of battle.

[graceful frigate]

The answer is yes

[ebon depot]

i mean yeah p5AB isnt fun either but the grind feels a lot less tedious then r5 imo

[digital grove]

thats a bad word

[empty lynx]

Oh and markoth and collector and yknow those people

But especially SoB

[foggy sable]

I didn't find the r5 grind that bad I mean

it was fine

[stark marlin]

so what build do you recommend against fc and whatever is after him?

[astral wave]

yo i completed white palace everyone

[foggy sable]

a bit rough during the mid point but otherwise not bad

[digital grove]

nice job

[astral wave]

got voidheart too

whats the next thing to do

[ebon depot]

i tried r5 for like maybe 10 hours total over multiple attempts to get into it and then uninstalled the game forever and never came back lmao

[digital grove]

I might pick up rabhog in the future and possibly p5ab but itd be so funny to also just not do it

[brave kite]

realest comment ever

[empty lynx]

Strength q.slash mark of pride and either sbody grubsong or spelltwister/unb heart
You can get fc staggered pretty easily even without shammans. I just thought you were fighting him in overworld

[digital grove]

this is the experience i think everyone deserves to go through

[vernal seal]

”listen… listen… for ordinary people, it- BLEAAAAUUUURGGGHHHH”

[foggy sable]

I got stuck at pb 6 for a while but once I got past it was really quick

so I never was in reset hell

[brave kite]

sisters of battle cant be this bad

[stark marlin]

hmm... why not shaman instead of strenght+sbody?
no quick focus sounds like suffering...

[brave kite]

at least not as bad as the other bosses

[digital grove]

i’m lowk procrastinating practicing hive knight-grimm segment even though i know it will be easy

[ebon depot]

i fluked a 4 hit really early and then barely got sub 10s for like 5 hours afterwards and just didnt feel like it anymore lol

[digital grove]

I think its because of what comes after

[graceful frigate]

Also im trying to do hitless 5 times in a row now

Its defo going

[rare aurora]

twinning

[graceful frigate]

Just in the wrong way

[empty lynx]

Well you can replace the last 5 notches if you want
You must use strength & qslash tho

[foggy sable]

so I tried r5 having not done any challenge beyond radHoG really

[rare aurora]

except i did like 3 runs total

[ebon depot]

peak

[vernal seal]

use wayward compass trust it will help you a lot trust me

[foggy sable]

so I took like 40 hours to get past 6 hit pb then got it in a week

[ebon depot]

even better decision, actually i think the road to sub 10 is kinda fun, everything after, and especially once you get into sub 5 territory is so bad

[empty lynx]

Shamman doesn't really help that much knowing who are in the other half (only like 1 guy takes knockback from spells)

[digital grove]

based, i’m going from radhog and p1-p4ab to f5

[foggy sable]

and 6 hits is still tolerable

[stark marlin]

is strenght better than shaman?
shouls I focus on spells or nail more? what spell is best against fc?

[digital grove]

shade soul is best against failed champ because large hitbox = easy double hits with shaman

[empty lynx]

Strength is better than shamman yea
It really depends on your build but i don't think you can fit both in
Shade soul and abyss shriek are amazing on fc

[digital grove]

both strength and shaman are fine for the fight but if you are struggling i would say to use strength because shaman almost makes it too easy in some ways

[graceful frigate]

Also where is the difficulty list thingy

[stark marlin]

also, my strenght is fragile
will it shatter when I die in the pantheon?

[digital grove]

no

fragile strength doesnt break in dream realms except white palace and base radiance fight

[copper spruce]

Sharp shadow

[digital grove]

Truly the best charm

[foggy sable]

sharp shadow uumuu is enlightened strats

[vernal seal]

@stark marlin use wayward compass trust it will help you a lot in the bossfight trust me bro

[digital grove]

what is the sharo shadow uumuu strat

[empty lynx]

This is what you do when fc staggers btw

[stark marlin]

I've tried, but the 4x boost to all stats and 50% dodge chance are not enough to be worth 1 notch

[foggy sable]

a new victim
https://youtu.be/oqSS55lfFfI

[digital grove]

I’m so scared

[agile pewter]

Strat for sshadow uumuu: dont

[stark marlin]

wow... you stagger him so quickly
do you have shaman on?
is it hard to cycle staggers like this?

[agile pewter]

[digital grove]

not the sshadow dashmaster downdash 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[foggy sable]

you wouldn't understand

downdash sharpshadow truly is so useful

[agile pewter]

On that we agree

[empty lynx]

Nope
I just have that much soul
Hell i think there's a better way hold

[digital grove]

An iq far too high for hkcord imo

[stark marlin]

I have 3 extra containers for soul

[foggy sable]

I did several of those just to annoy lune a little

[vernal seal]

oh ok. Uhm…… then try gathering swarm or unbreakable/fragile greed. Those two are overpowered for every pantheon in general trust me bro

[digital grove]

this is certainly the uumuu strat of all time i will say

[foggy sable]

exaaaaactly

it totally has use in... some challenge runs

[empty lynx]

Here's a better method using nail instead of abyss shriek before and after he jumps
so basically what you do is facetank phase 1 then straight up win

[digital grove]

surely i bench mid f5 remove fury and put on sharp shadow instead

[rare aurora]

idk even then the time invested just doesn’t seem worth it

[kindred cliff]

help with rad soul tyrant?

[stark marlin]

what charm build is used? also, I may have full soul beforehand from the hotspring

[digital grove]

whats getting you

[rare aurora]

it doesn’t translate to any skill that can be applied anywhere meaningful and, while the accomplishment afterwards feels good, the time spent is just w/e and blends away

[kindred cliff]

him

[empty lynx]

Same one you suggested (strength qslash longnail quickfocus)
And yes if you do have soul use it when he jumps backwards

[digital grove]

well yeah but is there an attack of sorts thats getting you

[kindred cliff]

nope

the fight is long so i make dumb ass mistakes

[empty lynx]

Let's see

[stark marlin]

to heal or cast abyss shriek?
does the fact I may have 6 casts of soul before the fight make nail upgrades less relevant?

[empty lynx]

How do you dodge tyrant phase 2 dives

[stark marlin]

with a little hop and dash preferably

[digital grove]

2 hit soul tyrant dive! 2 hit soul tyrant dive!

[empty lynx]

You are overthinking this too much alr bro
He staggers in 13ish hits just kinda kill him

[copper glacier]

ive come here bc sk disc died in a hole

[empty lynx]

screw sk disc

[digital grove]

its been dead since september 4th 2025

[stark marlin]

I'm overthinking bc it's the first troublesome boss in p4 and he steamrolled me twice

[empty lynx]

He shouldn't give you too much trouble with this
If anything he'd be kind of a soul totem now
Have you tried it yet?

[stark marlin]

not... so you say strength, qslash, long nail, quick focus?

[empty lynx]

mhm

Change any of the last 2 charms if you'd like

[digital grove]

thats a goated build

[empty lynx]

Quick focus is so nice

[digital grove]

that was my first colo 3 build i miss it dearly

[empty lynx]

Like reaaaaaaaally nice

[limber bear]

wut charms do i use for ||soul master||

[digital grove]

what charms do you have currently

[empty lynx]

Well what charms do you have

[limber bear]

idk iforgeot

[empty lynx]

Lmao

[digital grove]

can you take a screenshot of your charms in inventory

[empty lynx]

Send a screenshot of that and your inventory

[stark marlin]

hmm... trouble is, he tends to exit stagger early somehow

[limber bear]

im on console

[empty lynx]

Do you not hit his back after every dreamnail and heal?

[strong skiff]

@keen thorn get this
Having pcc with moresaves installed,and getting any new charm(presumebly),then reopening the save,will make your current save dupe onto the next slot

[digital grove]

yea yoy have to hit him to reset the stagger otherwise he gets back up

[limber bear]

my current build is dream sheild and fragile strenghth'

[stark marlin]

ohh... I do, but maybe too rarely
I should nail him after each dreamnail or focus, right?

[limber bear]

nad grub

[strong skiff]

This is like the most fucked up bug ive ever seen

[empty lynx]

his back specifically
If it was his head he exits stagger in 2 hits

[vernal seal]

what charms do you have?

[limber bear]

idont use dream nail shouldi do it

[empty lynx]

Mhm
ONLY his back
He will get up in 2 hits if you hit his face

[digital grove]

do you have shaman stone?

[empty lynx]

Well not for the fight you are doing

[limber bear]

yea

[stark marlin]

that I know, that's the supposed way to end his stagger

[digital grove]

dreamshield wont help you very much for soul master

[limber bear]

but all i have is 7 charm notches

it sort of did

[digital grove]

shaman stone is the same charm notches as dreamshield so imo replace that

[empty lynx]

Mhm
If he's up against the corner stand behind him and upslash

[digital grove]

you can get multi hit fireballs on him easily

[limber bear]

ok

[digital grove]

and it deals quite a bit of damage

[limber bear]

ik

[empty lynx]

Quite alot of damage*

[limber bear]

i use fire ball when i first get there

[empty lynx]

shamman stone is so beautiful even at white spells

I miss it dearly

[limber bear]

btw this is my brothers acoun

[vernal seal]

Are you a spell abuser or do you use nail a lot?

[limber bear]

i nail

[digital grove]

i thought you werent running charmless

[empty lynx]

i am not running charms

I miss shammans ;0

[digital grove]

ew

[vernal seal]

then maybe use mark of pride or longnail

[limber bear]

why

[digital grove]

why were you running grimmchild and shaman before then hmm…

[limber bear]

shaman is very good

[digital grove]

overworld?

[limber bear]

shaman with fluke is good

[digital grove]

no i mean ew to charmless

[limber bear]

oh

[vernal seal]

fluke is only good if u predict the hitboxes

[digital grove]

shaman is my 2nd favorite charm in the game

[empty lynx]

So the recommended builds are either:
Strength shamman stone
Strength mark of pride
Mark of pride shamman stone
You figure out which works best for you

[empty lynx]

Ascended fights

[digital grove]

oh right

[limber bear]

lol me only has fury on his account

[empty lynx]

yeaaaaa you are most likely not gonna use fury

[digital grove]

asc*nded

[kindred cliff]

overrated af

[covert cape]

is there a button to turn off noclip + invincibility at once because it doesnt work to turn them off manually

[digital grove]

booooo

[sharp maple]

@slender bobcat, Should I list all the charms I have, And everything I have

[digital grove]

uh not exactly

[empty lynx]

Can you not screenshot?

[kindred cliff]

yea exactly

[limber bear]

vro i got him to last phase and he took the controller and died

[empty lynx]

This man has not used overworld shade soul + shamman

[digital grove]

maybe its “overrated” if you dont use spells like at all

[sharp maple]

I am in school currently

[empty lynx]

ah alr

[kindred cliff]

i did. its a good charm, its still overrated

[dapper spoke]

Hey chat, real quick question

Does anybody know team cherry's policies on selling fanart? Like at conventions and such

[digital grove]

but shaman combined with like every spell is OP

[empty lynx]

What are you trying to do?

[limber bear]

oh im getting ready to go

[kindred cliff]

yes and

[empty lynx]

It's amazing lowk and you are not convincing me otherwise
Solely because of shade soul

[kindred cliff]

no shit it like doubles the damage

[vernal seal]

[digital grove]

why is it overrated if its good lmao

[kindred cliff]

smth good doesnt mean it cant be overrated

[soft palm]

https://www.teamcherry.com.au/faq second question

[empty lynx]

Do y'all not understand what overrated means still

[digital grove]

its appropriately rated if people call it a good charm because it is good

[empty lynx]

okay but it kinda literally isn't???

[kindred cliff]

its a 7.5/10 treadted like a 9.5/10

[limber bear]

how u feel when u use shaman and it insta kills

[dapper spoke]

Thanks!

[sharp maple]

I have 7 hearts, unbreakable hearts, all abilities fully upgraded, shade soul, decending dark, and abyss shriek, I have cyclone slash, Dash slash, Great Slash, about to upgrade my nail again, Shade cloak, monarch wings, Mantis claw, crystal heart, Isma's tear, Lamp, Map and quill, King's brand, Tram Card, Simple Key, 2 Rare Ore, 16 eggs, 0 wanderer's jounrals, 0 hallownest seal, 1 king's idol, 1 arcane egg, 1263 essance, Fast travel using dreamnail, 3/4 mask shards, 2 vessels, 1/3 vessel shards, 8724 geo, Wayward compass, gathering swarm, stalwart shell, Soul Catcher, Shaman stone, Dashmaster, Sprintmaster, Grubsong, Unbreakable heart, fragile greed, unbreakable Strength, spell twister, Steady Body, Heavy Blow, Long nail, fury of the fallen, Baldur shell, Flukenest, Defender's crest, Quick focus, Lifeblood hearts, Sporeshroom, Sharp Shadow, Nailmaster's glory, Dreamweilder, Dreamshield, Grimmchild(LVL 3), and one half of the kingheart

[digital grove]

what the scallop