#hk-discussion
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just considered one by the godseeker iirc
ima keep scavenging
duoloo isn't entirely wrong
when I say god, I mean in godhome or are a weaker version of one in godhome
both gods
Trauma
then all bosses are gods no?
mantis lords
no, one isnt
ok this double rad works really well
god
exept hp bar
mmm
tiso
the hunter
not a boss
uumuu
god
lets be real here tho
zote the mighty
not the grey prince version
the weak one who cant do shit in collo
i don't think he's considered a boss
false god, in godhome
brooding mawlek
it would be funny if they made it that he only does 0.1 hearts
god
i'm curious. i'll look into the pantheons and mark them
husk guard (he was a boss early game and he WASNT infected)
massive mossy
god
hes not a boss
i thought he was
he can also respawn from benches
when I state boss, I mean they have a title card
and he can die in 2-3 vengeful spirits
title card
4
VENGEFLY KING
nkg
ha ha
(optional boss)
god
damn
the boss is optional, I’ll give u that
Yall know any other cool metroidvanias? The thing i enjoyed the most both in hk and ss was the exploration and unlocking stuff, I wanna more of it
god
nine sols
FUCK
does it need to be nonoptional?
Nine Sols and Bō
I mean saying it was optional was meant to be a hint
u can guess nonoptional ones if u want
dead cells
oh then winged nosk
god
god
dawg why would version of bosses found in godhome not be in godhome
Are they dificult too? In hk i missed the dificulty since i 100% ss first
I wanted that feeling again
cant say, never played
the radiance
nine sols is similar in difficulty with silkong
weaker AbsRad and is a higher being
which means its harder than hk
tmg
excluding pantheons
what if i just leave thk emitting infection
troupe master grimm
like hes just slowly suffering
god
dont
why
traitor lord
also to anyone just coming wondering why I’m calling a lot of bosses gods, I see any boss in godhome as a god
god
ill find non gh boss
i guessed that
ok
its a god still
god and they do tf
they do?
they literally crush tiso in p5
right of false knight I believe
markoth?
actually no Hornet
its false knight/failed champion, Hornet protectir and sentinel, and then Mawlek
god
the eternal ordeal
i have a question
what seals the black egg temple again
since theres no dreamers
🤔
thats just the same god over and over again with permutations
the 3 dreamers
MAGIC BS
if there’s no dreamers left then its the void
revek!
"uh oh, he dangerous, i seal"
not a boss
kinda are
hmm
I’ll concede, though that wasnt the intended answer
wait why does winged nosk have hornet's body on his thing
his head
why not
WAIT
nosk disguises as a loved one
Nosk reads the knight’s mind and in it is hornet
FAILED CHAMPION (trust)
why's he thinking of hornet
during that
in godhome
wait
is it a dream boss?
yep, all dream bosses are
Hollow Knight
There wasnt anyone in the knight’s life
Until hornet
i mean the answer
is the non-god in the dream realm
no thoughts so it took the knight
in godhome Knight has Hornet so it took the only thing that wouldnt be obvious
"hi hornet :D" "oh."
no, physical one
I mean dreamers arent bosses
gorgeous husk
@graceful storm I genuinely doubt u even have this boss in ur journal
not a boss
IM 94%
i have the hunter's mark
IM ALMOST COMPLETELY DONE.
changes nothing, this boss isnt required for mark
void idol
just beat the game for the first time today and it was actually so peak
not a boss, but ur one for getting it
menderbug
white defender
in godhome
I got him as soon as I started looking for him 😭
now to decide what ending ill go for next
lucky
I spent 30 minutes first time
never did it again
guess they gave up
i have the entry
weathered mask
@unborn crag when can i ban you from this server
lowk chat gpt (i call it gp cause we hbs) got me hyped
not a boss u gambler
seal of binding
I spent too long questioning if u were refering to a gpz mod
not a boss, ggs tho
never. magellanic cant die.
Sherma pls give up
correct
Ungrateful Bone head
yea
we guessed that
no as in thats the correct thing to do
oh
do u give up yet
no
lowk ima tell a new HK player to use minions cause they're op and carry boss fights
oh ok
hunter?
Imma be here till midnight 😭
@fresh isle he's harassing me
not a boss
who
does anyone know why my nail somtimes CLEARLY hits and then doesnt register in hollow knight i have a few mods on but they shouldnt affect it and IK FOR A FACT im not coping
@unborn crag
ugh just use the block button its there for a reason 🙄
bro why u even ping a mod?
@fresh isle can you ban him
Why are u still guessing?
because
average hkmain member iq has to be like 50
oh ok
-# best advantages
@tired tapir Hi
can i murder you
dont say something mean, dont say something mean, dont say something mean
what does parasocial mean?
yeah im sorry its like 20 or something
Oh my god
its 5
woah
my goat
god pulling the trigger gets easier and easier every message
idk just looked funni
thanks i get that often
pls be done guessing
pls I beg of u let me move on
haha ofc friend
Here's funni:
no you do not

laughs out loud 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
yes i do
she gets it often i can confirm
what abt this wine bottle
fine then
tragic
it shows that shaw is canonical to real life
Answer was Pale Lurker
hallo
no its not
hoi
D:
i forgot about that fuck
what is everyone doing
I’m assuming thats for me
mhm
everyone does
bullying a mod
how the fuck did i forget about pale lurker
@fresh isle awawawawawa
i always get the simple key from them FUCK
wah
Me and @graceful storm spent like 30 minutes as they attempted to guess the only boss not represented in godhome
pale lurker aint even a boss
at all
is pale lurker a boss I'm not sure
LIKE ATT ALL
yk whats even dumber? i beat pale lurker last week and i still forgot about them
well other than being chased
I’m counting having a title card as being a boss
not really
so…
Pale lurker isnt a boss
well it is the most forgetable bosses
Zote the mighty is and he isnt in godhome
fr
So is rad
tiso has a title card and you didn't count him
oh what are the hints that u told them
And thk
but u dont fight them
optional boss and not in the dream world :)
the hunter has a title card too
mantis lords
they explicitly mentioned title cards
hehe zote
stop it
Idk why zote is a boss but pale lurker isnt but eh
wether you fight them or not went unmentioned
but it had to be a boss
jesus
a boss that has a title card
which includes the small text in the bottom right
and has to be fightable
it was implied
that fits all the descriptions
i thought it was bottom left
that is not in godhome
their isnt enough hints
tiso isnt fightable
one of the two
ohhhh LIKE ATTT ALL
hunter isnt fightable
fair
radiance ( normal
weaker version of absrad
Theres only 3 bosses not in godhome 😭
wait
thk is weaker version of pv
its in dream fuck
yeh
Rad thk zote guh
I also said not referenced in godhome
so Zote has eternal ordeal
THk has PV
and Radiance has AbsRad
oh yo btw how u been
the worst boss not in godhome is thk
then its impossible
Those are the only bosses not in godhome
Im good wbu
mid
Lune
Rip why
can we pls move on from the “Is Pale Lurker a boss” debate
Afternoon suscat
Whoa what is this about pale lurker 💀
i cant beat r1 cause im ass my hit boxes are bugging my mouse disconnects every now and then and im tilted cause skill issue
I hope not anymore
It’s a boss

thank you
i have no idea wat the boss couldd be
Wtf eloki
Ripp thats annoying
hi pv player
Wiki is bad and dumb
Like they have a Title card, can actually be fought, and isnt in godhome at all
why Team Cherry why
omg shit player wtf
wiki is bad at giving tactics against bosses
yes every time i get to oro and mato it just deciddes HMMMMM good bye
my mouse does

You aren’t supposed to play the game with a Wiki ahh statement
how would it work in godhome actually?
Scat 
well you see, we dont want u to win, so we’ll just yoink ur nail and replace it with a wet pool noodle
what does this mean
what if he is do skilled and good enough to just hide
somewhere
normally for pale lurker u run around a box maze hitting it
Uumuu esque arena
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Poop I think don’t look it up tho not sure
Real ones use wikihow to improve
path of pain shouldve had 2 pure vessels smh
I was joking I didnt think that was what actually happened
It’s also a form of singing I think
...
happens quitee often now idk why
Chomper
Have you tested to see if it happens on vanilla
i should tho only mod i think that should affect it tho is purity
which
idk how
it owuld
i will check
after this attempt
I have to practice thk this sucks
what happened?
oh
thats, a lot more tame then what I thought happened
-# not sure wtf I went that far but still
grey mourner shouldve been a boss smdh
Noooo
Ripppp
Pale Court Mod got u covered
A sad fate
so suffice to say the weekly attempt went okay but it could have been done
Hey if it makes you feel any better at least you didn’t sell r5ab twice in a row to the 2nd run getting hit by abs rad
the words r5ab are painful to hear

sounds depressing
if I didn't have to in the imminent future I would never touch p5ab again
y do u HAVE TO
a thing this saturday
hmm
technically I don't have to to any practice for it
god damnit grimmothy
but it would probably be a good idea
i see
with a 6 hit pb there is plenty of room to make mistakes and continue
gpz gold statue is the perfect example of "in order to see secrets sealed, one must endure the harshest punishments."
cornballss 😭
Finally got through 3 hp per mask gpz
why does gpz lack proper damage scaling
tf u mean he goes from 1 to 2 to 3 to 5
idk anything about gpz statue
and 5 masks took less tries then 3
wtf me
ok 1 to 2 to 3 to 5 to 6
I’m probably missing a step
just killed GPZ on beat to my music
peak
indeed
yknow, perhaps strength is a bit overkill
-# it isnt
it often is
perhaps overkill is a bit strength
ive been going through my first run of the game, and learning just how much extra there is to do is daunting lol. i havent even started pantheons yet or finished trial of fools or fought radiance or nightmare grimm...or flower quest. only pain lies ahead lol
zote is female
and zote is the reincarnation of the pk
its becomes fun once u learn to accept the pain
aka becoming a masochist like 50% of this community
oh im used to that, ive been a souls player since 2009 xD
Guys which of my top three Hollow Knight bosses do you like best?
My top three are Sisters of Battle, Pure Vessel, Soul Tyrant
the first, although all are valid
They’re my favorite boss in both games too
Though my favorite non-Godhome boss in HK is weaker to me than my two favorites in SS
soul tyrant is the best of those 3
Pure Vessel Love ❤️
so far at least, soul tyrant was pretty fun. nightmare grimm should be a solid challenge too i think. i havent gone back to howlin yet to deal with that yet
GPZ's health pool isnt high
his stagger bounce height tho...
-# I just lost 7 masks cuz of this
Soul Tyrant is my claim to fame, my most memorable part of all HK was beating him with only 28% completion and one nail upgrade. It took three whole weeks of persistence
yep
not sure how far I'm at now, just the damage he does
well it is also that I don't like the other 2 bosses there
son 😭💔
i think my least favorite so far has to be no eyes. im sure that'll change though
valid
Is it weird that Ascended No Eyes is one of my favorites? Even if the original is boring
What do yall think?:3
weird is a subjective term. That being said I do believe ur weird
valid
you just put words together in a configuration that just preemptively raised my blood pressure....theres an ascended version of my least favorite boss? oh joy! lol
where’s invincible?
Theres an ascended version of every boss lmao
my freedom is so close
cmon Grimmchild we got this
almost every
Wait im confused what bosses dont have an ascended version
welp...ive definitely got a few dozen more hours to sink into this before SS
the bosses that arent in godhome
Zote in the colo?
- rad + thk
Is he even a boss
Ooohhh
absolute radiance is in pantheon 5 tho
i know
Ascended zote coming when
different boss though
I love thk’s moveset i just wish he was a harder boss
FREEDOM
Or had way more health
pure vessel exists
WHAT THE FUCK ITS NOT GOLDEN
Different attacks
FUCKING, HHHEEELLLLLL
no, I got one more (hopefully, my copium levels are running low)
They have some attacks in common
Like when he floats in mid air and sprays infection everywhere
Im not talking abt pure vessel tho
You said a harder boss
Pure vessel is a version of thk that's harder
You can't exactly make a boss harder with the same moveset they had previously
I said i wish thk was a harder boss
I suggested giving it more health
i wish hk bosses were all harder and better in general

that wouldn't exactly be a harder boss
Not that i wanna fight a harder seperate version of him
just more annoying to deal with
om I’m done with GPZ
artificial difficulty 💔💔💔🥀🥀🥀
I've finally achieved freedom
I finally beat traitor lord after 137 tries i suck at this game 💔
Something something perfectly describes what i want out of thk for it to be better
Fuck u, u weakling
I want to fight thk with the old nail
There thats the easiest way i can describe it :3
so just thk with more hp
alr White Defender time
welp, just got my 3rd and final dreamer. should I be terrified of fighting the hollow knight?
yo
not really
only one way to find out tho
never
hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii twiddles in a cute dress
yes my old account
HAIII AWWW
7 masks, 7 notches, and sharpened nail. am I too early?
thats more than what I had
u should be fine
can i ask u something its kinda silly but you like me so its ok
oh bet
7 masks and sharpened nail goddamn are you minmaxxing doing dream warriors with spells
sure :D
He’s predictable
Your pfp looks like tormented Trobbio from afar
art gallery is for hk/sk specifically whilst art discussion is for any kind of work from any media right
Yes
yes
thamk you amora youre the best
as long as if it's sfw
nope! only dream warrior I did was xero (also what is minmaxxing)
i am 🪑 waiting for more art
no prob they :D
well i'm planning more object OCs
hi
yo :D
ah
explains that
we can play dolls with mine and yours
Here’s the thing about dream warriors, they have the highest scaling ingame in comparison to the nail
does not make me feel good about dying tho
hehe yes :]
Yo, any tips for infinity?
hello
This makes it worse if you use spells often but if you use the nail more, it doesn’t matter
dont stay still, and lifeblood core can be useful
Thanks
Might even use fragile heart as it doesn't break in godhome
I'm a nail spammer unless they have iframe attacks, then I'm a damn necromancer the way I'm using soul 😭
Wdym iframe attacks
"i CAST FIREBALL!"
how should i practice face dancing
what?
face dancing on radiance
oh
debug mod flukemarm
learn the easy way first
alternate between one down slash and one side slash
invincibility + remove flukes with debug + 10k hp flukemarm + 1 nail dmg
yeh no im doing that but like what if im learing it wrong
whats the hard way
too complicated to explain in a message
just check like a basic anyrad 1.0 clear and see it in slowmo if you want
2 sides then 1 pogo
do i need to use steady body
in short terms, you crank 90's
facedancing is MUCH harder without sbody
the basic way is pogo left -> slash right -> pogo left -> slash right in a circular motion
or pogo right slash left etc
to be optimal you have to mix in double jumps nad upslahse too
oh i see cause i was face dancing a mod boss purity then my friend called me out and said UR face dancing is shit and now im trying to gett gud
for purity just put on sbody and keep playing
it'll come naturally
it did for me
the hard part of face dancing imo is doing it instinctively from like weird scenarios
even just dashing over idk my brain would fail
i have been without sbody and i have been getting gud but apparently wrongly according to my friend
allhallownestenhanced
he thinks im gud
you can do it without sbody but you shouldnt
( i not
isn't face dancing without sbody just them asking for a harder challenge?
i was doing it without sbody but uhh not effectively
apparently
i will
No, cuz you're already doing face dance
Removing s body doesnt make it as hard as it is annoying

Unless you're Taly and you're just using upslash and pogo, just use the charm
well not actually iframe attacks, moreso attacks like hornet's dive, or the watcher knight's spindash. big movement attacks that make it dangerous to get in close. so I misspoke lol
id like to ask is this good bad shit decent or i should just try again later https://medal.tv/games/hollow-knight/clips/lXH9z4dlnq6MnbKe4?invite=cr-MSxUT1EsNDQ5OTAwOTYz&v=38
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the first one
is kinda worse
im kinda ss
ass
i mean you're getting good side slashses inbetween pogos which is all that really matters
basically attacks that have a aoe around the attacker is what ur saying
fair
if you can do that consistently then its fine
Okay
Let's say you have Pale Court, you equip Abyssal Bloom, Quick Slash, Steady Body, Unbreakable Strength, and Fury of the Fallen, at one health, going overcharmed since this is 14 notches
Imagine how OP that would be
Decent
my friend keeps telling me u dont need to double jump what do u think?
you dont but its not bad to
Double jump just makes it easier
I use alot of double jumps during radiance
So
its just preference if you arent doing absurdly difficult things
djump facedancing is fine
:) finished today
Some spoilers for late game content (idk spoilers rules here so eh) Guys, is this good for a first steel soul run?
Using legacy quickslslash you can fit in unbreakable heart
Funny thing: bloom scales with normal masks lost, and heart counts too, so it is a bit better
I finished
Gg
Ah, if I had more charm Notches I could fit in Unbreakable Heart
you don't, you only do if you're also nail turning, which you aren't
It's like +10%
11 masks, at 1 heart, super op
You can install legacy quickslash mod or just give yourself an extra notch with debug
Ah, im not one for cheating
It's not cheating, it's fun
You're already op as fuck
Hmm
Also lqs is not cheating per anyrad rules 
Maybe equip all lifeblood charms and Unbreakable Heart with that build
You can thank fireborn for that
It’s allowed for any rad when hp isn’t even allowed
Ooh
I use legacy for my hog
jjk
nice skin
bro markoth got destroyed
Soul Master was really easy, why do I remember him being hard? Was I fighting with a broken nail?
^^^ also I upgraded my skills 100x for soul tyrant lol
Seriously I took him down with like 5 hits phase one
lol
And I just dodged his phase two attacks
True
And spammed hits under him while he was spitting orbs
I managed to do him Radiant first try
Mhm
When I first saw the collector's grubs
Mhm
I thought some were mimics
Do you eat grubs?
3 conveniently placed grubs right next to each other
I eat grubs :)
Are you Grubfather
No
For fun :3
No yummy
The hunter eats grubs
Hard to cook
Mission accomplished
I am free
Do you know what the difference between a lightseed and lifeseed is
one hurts more too eat
and like a 50/50 chance of losing ur mind
Lightseed = infection
Lifeseed = lifeblood
Do you know what a shadow creeper is
The ancient basin ones
Do you know how much c dashes it takes to kill one
True
HOW
Wait.. can you kill that thing in the Weavers Den that runs out the door after grabbing weavesong with a soul blast?
what kind of sorcery is this
Cdash does 10 damage
Who is mace bug
yeah I don't think they can die
bug on False Knight's mace
The false knight Easter egg
Ah
The thing that comes off False Knight's Mace
Idk the conditions
Mhm
just wait in the room for a bit
I skipped the fight to grab the spell and came back
Safe to say it didn't work
Unkillable
Macebug = Unkillable
Weaver creature in the weavers den = unkillable
oh hey
the skip I refuse to learn
BTW someone created a mod to kill elderbug
Not hard to do
latter is killable, just not by us
Yeah
How can you hate elderbug??
Well yeah
I hate him
cro existed too hard
I'm scared to try gpz ab
BTW you can freeze mace bug
u got golden gpz statue, u should be fine
Not yet
I'm 4 kills away from that
... cmon cro I got it so can u
and his rng bullshit is pissing me off
I won
Ok?
Now do P5AB
Idk. @sharp estuary what messed up life choices brought you to hate elderbug
Just so we know how not to do the same
What’s the best charm set up for r5ab :3
Zote's leaping is pissing me off
that reminds me, I still gottab beat Tribe of Battle nail only no charms
gonna be fun
Idk
everytime Zote leaps he throws me off alot
Ask someone that isn't me I haven't done P5 with all bindings at once yet
Zote is 80% rng
I say defenders crest
I cant tell if ur being deadass or just going along
What
dw bout it
gods going from dual master to charmless makes me feel slow
^^^^^
^^^^^^
shall I ascend?
W lol
GPZ is 0% rng
Yes
Ascend, ascend with Gorb!
ascension with a cost
false ancension
One of the best designed bosses ever
are turn around cancels worth doing without qs?
big gap lol
They always get me lmao
It's Lune and it's Genius250.
Ur weird
It's 🐌
@smoky matrix hii
ah
welp still gonna do them to build muscle memory
Still no turnarounds are not worth
Last time I was doing uhhh Steel soul
All they do is clipfarm
I got Ismas Tear and Mwings
I got all 3 nail arts
Bought out sly and isadela
Bought out charm girl near blue lake
I somehow died to Gorb when I first fought him.
Still need to visit the hive
U don’t need wings and issmas for unn
maybe dont leak your zipcode 
LMAO
Still need to get the collectors map
gonna delete that from memory
Hi Serds.
Wasn't obvious until you pointed it out omg
Fr
whooopsies i shouldve maybe like dmed them about it
i cant dm them either way for , reasons 
No shit sherlock
… what did u do?

oh my gawd hi jay
theyre blocked 
cmon lock in cro
-# I say like I haven’t been blocked
True
its only a dox if we remember it
Who's going to be the 440,000th member
wtv im getting a mod to delete it
what do u have against cro
That's a good idea.
… our definitions of fun are quite separate
^ remove this it has info
whatever just
I can fight THK on my Steel soul but I still need a few things
talk about something else
Hollow Knight is ass.
Lies
What characters do yall imagine Grimm sounding like
Cap
wait wrong gif
This gif is awesome, Serds.
I hate thk I hate thk I hate thk I hate thk I hate thk I hate thk
im glad we both hate hollow knight jay
Ever grub, the collectors map, Hollowing Wraiths, Abyssal Shriek, Descending Dark, King's Brand, and Monomo
thanks i ripped it off of twitter
Peak.
I still need monomo I forgot about 4 eyes
god he sheer temptation to ddark while fighting Tribe of Battle
Twinsies.
Where’s the goat 😔
please dont talk about it like that
Crazy.
🤦♂️
I’ll see myself out
Cya
THK or Marmu
Fish
rate my charm setup
cool
@young lake
Flukesnest+Defender's Crest.
Galien
Did I doxx myself over a gorb plush?
and tbf I only hate thk because the fight ruined my fluke all skills run
Dw dude I already forgot probably
It's a bunny(Maya).
I got the Crystal Peak Pale Ore without monarch wings
yes
are these worst charms or are there worse
Yes
-# I'm fucked
True
how
Delete it now
mods already deleted it
rain bolt
a mod deleted it
O ok
eloki did
Yeah... you just posted it on a server with 440k members
good mod
.
LMAO
bro
Rip lil bro

Lucky you chat wasn't really active at that time
bros gonna find a primal aspid in his mailbox
Be glad it wasn't in the Silksong chat, they'd go crazy
I'm dead
deep fried
thank fuck?
I basically fucked myself by sending gorb plush
good job
ima ascend irl prob
Has anyone ever beat the path of pain in the hallownest enhanced mod?
Yeah be sure to blur those
you are like fine
Hallownest enhanced?
Yes
Rip
stop
At least I'll be with Gorb
I censored it
W
it's not even covered fully
Lmfao
idk
It's just the @ peaking
Bro doxed himself twice in 1 day
Also does radHoG actually require you to beat the AbsRad?
no?
I think I did
Wow how
why would you not just cut an image of the gorb plush
By killing it
rather than post the store page with your information on it
^^^
I mean what charms did you use
I mean, I'd like crop it to the title and picture
Want the full vid of it?
he is gorb I think
Much better
for rad absrad?
Sure if possible
DMs

I love Pale Court
It feels like it actually belongs in the game
It's not even that hard
I am
Just don't get hit
Just don't send gore aight?
I'M STUPID
It took me hours just to beat hornet 2
Yeah
The siblings get one shotted
they get two shot
with fragile Strength yes
Oh yeah
I have ||channeled nail||
2 shotted
STILL
I usually overcharm myself before going into the abyss
you're evil
??? Go get pale ore what are you doing in the abyss without at least the Twirled Nail
I saw that
Why would you even save it
you need two to upgrade channeled nail right?
Save what
I didn't remember
Yeah
The image
I have one
Of Gorb
What image

I saw what u deleted

What
we all saw

Check DMs
-# ur tryna hide the fact u have my info
440,000 MEMBERS!
440,001
Most were offline prob
What charms do you use for hollow knight
it doesnt even shows for me it just gets cropped out
yo bro
what is that
Flukenest, defenders, and Spore should do the trick
server member count
Tbh what would people do with the info from earlier anyway
The most important part, Glowing Womb
...
No
toa is good to
Useless aah charm
waywardcompass
Better and cheaper notch cost too
Wayward Compass helped me beat WP and POP
how y'all feel about Joni's blessing?
I only used it to enter lifeblood room for lifeblood core
in the abyss
oh
that's what it is
I don't like
On radiant
what is it
What's that
throw i try to play good games
Serdna, do you like Cuphead?
No, I meant the game.
serdna my hkmain regular friend
Nvm endfield looks like the uhh



