hk-discussion

[graceful storm]

yes

[trim schooner]

learning to not get hit is faster

[ashen ginkgo]

It is tho
This is a completely silksong spoilers free hollow knight channel

[autumn ice]

of course you aren't supposed to stand there and facetank and everything

[graceful storm]

he took me 2 hours

[autumn ice]

but you're not gonna get good enough to dodge everything

[graceful storm]

Fr

[ashen ginkgo]

hi unnam

[autumn ice]

so might as well learn what to do when you do get hit

hello norbert

[trim schooner]

you dont need to, you just need to kill the boss before it hits you like 3 times

[marble rune]

p5 higkenuinely makes me really mad, I keep getting to the last 2 bosses

[graceful storm]

these people here don't agree

btw I'm about to battle Zote now

10 times

[autumn ice]

that's also not that easy for a lot of people

[trim schooner]

knowing healing windows is good but you shouldn't be reliant on it to beat bosses, you should be able to beat bosses without healing at all and just going for heals at the end

[autumn ice]

and remember that p5 is very long

so you should also look towards knowing how to mitigate "low rolls"

[trim schooner]

like at the end of every boss

[trim schooner]

whats that

[autumn ice]

as in parts where you spew and randomly get hit a bunch

[graceful storm]

I finally did white defender #5 hitless

[trim schooner]

ggs

[trim schooner]

makes sense

[graceful storm]

(where he does 5 masks damage)

[autumn ice]

knowing how to bounce back is important

[trim schooner]

im just saying though, knowing healing windows obviously helps a lot but being reliant on it makes p5 really slow and also fustrating if you get bad rng or don't heal fast enough

[autumn ice]

not saying that for most bosses especially those like pv and nkg you dont have to put in at least some amount of time to know how to dodge things

but healing is seriously broken

[graceful storm]

I would rather take my absolute time on p5

[autumn ice]

yeah but being stuck on 3 hp, not knowing how to heal and just panicking and dying also doesnt sound very fun does it

[trim schooner]

im not including healing after killing the boss, since there's some downtime after every boss's death

[graceful storm]

Especially against bosses like Pure Zote

[autumn ice]

oh i know you can heal after bosses

but really sneaking in heals randomly for a lot of bosses does so much for your survivability

even for something like zote you can just get a heal during every balloon attack pretty much

[trim schooner]

yeah, but i'm not saying you shouldn't learn how to heal, i'm saying you shouldn't be reliant on it to beat p5

[autumn ice]

that sounds kinda broken

[autumn ice]

ya that's fair

[trim schooner]

damn what

if i ever try p3ab again ill keep that in mind lol

[autumn ice]

need to be pretty fast with it but i'm pretty sure that's a thing

[trim schooner]

ahk cool

[autumn ice]

well it has been a while to be fair

but it should work

at worst you get the heal and get hit after which is +0 which is fine

[trim schooner]

yeah true

i will say though, 1800 hp is ridiculous

considering pv has the same amount i believe

no pv has 1600

bro why does gpz have more hp than pv 😭

[shrewd meadow]

doesnt gpz have 1500

[trim schooner]

wait what

[shrewd meadow]

even less

[trim schooner]

ah its 1400

[shrewd meadow]

its 1400 in godhome

[trim schooner]

where did i get 1800 from what

[shrewd meadow]

1500 in overworld

[trim schooner]

still ridiculous though

[lone latch]

im still trying to find a relatively easy way to kll markoth in p5

coz i still havent beaten it yet

i either get stuck at him, gpz, or absrad

[trim schooner]

spamming nail arts is good

since you can usually only land one or 2 hits at once, great slash and dash slash are really good

[autumn ice]

they're also just good for the range

[trim schooner]

shriek is good damage but it can be annoying to recover from, so a good alternative is to double hit him with a shade soul

[autumn ice]

and the knockback

[trim schooner]

yeah that too

[autumn ice]

super safe option

[lone latch]

ok imma try beat it now

[autumn ice]

also, i would recommend counting how much damage you do, and trying to burst him down before he gets to phase transition

[trim schooner]

gl

[lone latch]

ty

[autumn ice]

like get him to 1 hit before phase 2 then go in as he does a shield spin

[trim schooner]

maybe not though, you could lose a lot of health in the process of doing so

[autumn ice]

means you don't have to deal with the hard part of the fight really

[trim schooner]

oh yea i guess so

[lone latch]

https://tenor.com/view/well-in-that-case-yo-mama-well-case-gif-14405034452477075435

[trim schooner]

but you can also just save soul and spam shade soul

at the end

which is a lot easier

and safer imo but doing both probably isn't a bad idea

[graceful storm]

Zote can almost kill u by just walking

[trim schooner]

yea that pmo lol

[lone latch]

steady body w hornet is funny af

[trim schooner]

lol

[lone latch]

coz u just take her for a walk across the arena

[trim schooner]

steady body is just a W charm

[lone latch]

10 down

15

[shy patio]

Markoth just ruined my p5 run 🥀

[fiery trench]

least enraging Markoth experience

[shy patio]

Nah its okay

The whole thing was fun i'll do it again

[fiery trench]

hey ur getting the hk fan mentallity

took a bit but ur getting there

[shy patio]

Wym 😭

I still like him i just despise those dreamshields

[fiery trench]

I hate his left wall suggestion shenanigans

[shy patio]

Huh

[fiery trench]

Markoth needs to stop putting his blades into the left wall

[shy patio]

Ohh

Also im saving up for hk hong kong 🥹

Im giving it to a friend first though so i dont impulse waste it

(The money)

[fiery trench]

ah
wish u luck

[trim schooner]

lmaooo rip

do you have gpz

[shy patio]

Yes !

He's not in the pantheon though

[trim schooner]

bro youre so cooked

oh nvm

nice

[shy patio]

Huh

Wym

[trim schooner]

gpz is right after markoth in p5

[shy patio]

I do have gpz i just didnt see him anywhere

Oh

What level of zote

[trim schooner]

3

[shy patio]

I can handle 1 to 3

Oh sure

[trim schooner]

yeah but if you're dying to markoth gpz gonna be annoying

[shy patio]

Gruz mother got me down to 3 masks

I had 9

😭

[trim schooner]

lmaooo

[dense fjord]

Dawg😭

[shy patio]

She's just harder than pv or nkg

[trim schooner]

lmaooo

honestly i think vengefly kings are the hardest boss in p5

'hardest' by how much damage i take

[lone latch]

25

[trim schooner]

theyre not hard they just pmo

[shy patio]

Nosk is just a fancier vengefly

[fiery trench]

facts

[trim schooner]

true but there's one of them and it doesn't last thaaat long

[shy patio]

Look at the pins i got heh...

[fiery trench]

I can do PV and NKG radiant without difficulty
Gruz Mother took me 5 tries

[fiery trench]

Hegale

[dense fjord]

Do NOT show this guy massive moss charger..

[shy patio]

Just

[dense fjord]

OMG CUTE

[shy patio]

Use quick slash and steady body to hold moss charger back

And kill them in their first attack

[lone latch]

FLYING NOSK

[dense fjord]

If he takes damage to vfk surely he loses p5 instantly to mossy

[trim schooner]

i love mossy c

[shy patio]

There's a difference between hard and easy

[trim schooner]

i can first try p5 lol

[shy patio]

Vengefly is hard

[dense fjord]

Same :3

[shy patio]

Mossy is easy

[fiery trench]

https://tenor.com/view/mossy-moss-charger-hk-hollow-knight-gif-9523307392128940641

[trim schooner]

ive also cleared p5 with binf instead of pv

[dense fjord]

Glup

[dense fjord]

Ik i was kidding

[fiery trench]

grass, now
and not greenpaths

[trim schooner]

it's not that i can't no hit vfk i just hate the fight

[trim schooner]

lmaooooo

[shy patio]

Queen's gardens

[trim schooner]

^

[dense fjord]

I was abt to say that lmao

[fiery trench]

istg if I have to torch down queens garden so help me I will

[shy patio]

Elderbug might be as old as ancient basin

[trim schooner]

i mean i first tried it, it was after radiant binf and maybe even after 1.5x speed clear

didn't take that long

[jagged shadow]

Heavy blow is ok

Not that bad

[trim schooner]

apparently it reduces the stagger by 1

[fiery trench]

…
yknow what, imma just accept that I’m never reaching that level, and thats ok

[trim schooner]

like when the boss staggers

[jagged shadow]

A

[trim schooner]

i mean i've probably got like 100 hours on binf now so

[fiery trench]

so now bosses can stagger kill me faster :)

[trim schooner]

lmao

[jagged shadow]

That the point

I hate my self 🙂

Jk

[lone latch]

NO EYES

give me luck

[trim schooner]

i prob cleared p5 with binf at about 25-50h tho (depending on whether it was after radiant or after 1.5x speed), which is still quite a lot

[lone latch]

i hate this oss

[fiery trench]

if I had a nickel for every time I died to a boss cuz I sharp shadowed and got the stagger, I’d have so many nickels I could gift my friend HK

[jagged shadow]

No eyes just sucks

[trim schooner]

ah it was after radiant

[jagged shadow]

But wait how about radiant markoth

[fiery trench]

No Eyes should become No

[trim schooner]

lmaoo which boss pv?

[fiery trench]

and Fc

[trim schooner]

ah, thankfully i've never died to pv like that because i don't really use shade cloak anymore

[graceful storm]

how do u tell when Zote is gonna do his flail attack?

[trim schooner]

i have died to him staggering after spikes though

and i was like a pixel too close so i got hit

[graceful storm]

like he runs around with his sword out in front of him

How do u know he's gonna do that

[shrewd meadow]

no silksong spoilers

[trim schooner]

you dont, thats why everyone hates gpz

[graceful storm]

And there's no reason time at all for it either

no time to jump and pogo

[fiery trench]

I have this really funny thing where if pv does spikes I hit them twice and then pray I dont get hit
has a 75:100 success ratio

[jagged shadow]

You can do that??

[trim schooner]

i mean you can shade cloak through him or run away

[graceful storm]

cuz hitbox is the size of dirtmouth

[fiery trench]

lol facts

[graceful storm]

shade cloak don't matter

[trim schooner]

ah yeah, that's not terrible, i do shriek into upslashes cos i'm not good enough to nail turn in that space

[jolly stone]

does anyone else say dirtmouth like “dirt-myth” or am i weird

[graceful storm]

he instantly turns around and hits me

[lone latch]

i just destroyed white defender by bouncing him in the air asa a ball

[shrewd meadow]

yes

[graceful storm]

Ur weird

[trim schooner]

its possible but difficult af

[jolly stone]

wow

[fiery trench]

u weird, but unique

[trim schooner]

pretty sure it's possible but yeah, why would you do it

[graceful storm]

I beat Zote 5 times

[jolly stone]

it’s kinda a where i’m from thing

i’ve seen some other people say it like that

[jagged shadow]

Honestly yall should they make zote boat

[graceful storm]

I cant jump on top of Zote and pogo when he does his flail attack cuz the hitbox is massive and he has 0 telegraphs

[trim schooner]

yea lol

[graceful storm]

should I quit at 5/10 wins?

[fiery trench]

as a pokemon fan, I’m open to differing interpretations of names

[graceful storm]

should I dip out of getting the golden Zote statue?

[fiery trench]

looking at u arceus and yveltal

[fiery trench]

no
ur too far in to quit now

[dense fjord]

Yuh vah tuhl

[graceful storm]

Btw the first time I ever used Quick Slash was against Zote and now I'm questioning my life choices

[lone latch]

MARKOTHHHH

HELPPP

WISH ME LUCK

[fiery trench]

Or Evil tal

[graceful storm]

I never noticed how fast Quick Slash really was

[fiery trench]

stay on the right side and pray

[lone latch]

ok ty

YEEEESSSSS

[fiery trench]

u got it

[lone latch]

WAIT

NOOOO NOW GPZ

[fiery trench]

nvm

[graceful storm]

should I not attack Zote unless he summons Zotelings or does his flail?

[trim schooner]

gl

[fiery trench]

nvm the nvm

[graceful storm]

I think that's safer

[trim schooner]

dont get your ass kicked

[trim schooner]

lmaooooooo

[fiery trench]

I harassed till he’s dead

[tulip narwhal]

I miss throwout

[fiery trench]

ysee, if I get fucked, then it happens quickly
if I dont, well he cant kill me cuz he’s dead

[lone latch]

YAY

done

[fiery trench]

then throw in

[graceful storm]

Zote is like White Defender but with a bigger hitbox wow

[lone latch]

now 2 or 3 left till absrad

[autumn ice]

ping them?

[tulip narwhal]

Oh ok

[tulip narwhal]

Last I did that throwout blocked me and killed my whole family

[autumn ice]

damn unlucky

[fiery trench]

too much effort
just create a clone instead

[tulip narwhal]

It really sucked ngl

[naive dew]

@tulip narwhal

[graceful storm]

I'm using Unbreakable Strength, Sprintmaster, Quick Slash, Longnail, and Sharp Shadow against Zote

[tulip narwhal]

Wtf

Hiiiii melon

[naive dew]

Hiiiiii floggy

[autumn ice]

free damage build holy crap

[naive dew]

Hru

[tulip narwhal]

yay

Im good

[lone latch]

ok now nkg and pv

easy ahh boses

[graceful storm]

before that I used Unbreakable Strength, Quick Slash, Defender's Crest, Mark Of Pride, Sprintmaster

[autumn ice]

floggy i got the

[fiery trench]

I hate that I can calculate the charm cost

[autumn ice]

the rs4 thing

that's like

kinda cool

[fiery trench]

anyways why no overcharm

[graceful storm]

Why would I?

[fiery trench]

funnies

[graceful storm]

I'm not here for "funnies"

[autumn ice]

free damage (on yourself)

[tulip narwhal]

Yeahhh good job

[graceful storm]

Fuck no

[trim schooner]

yup lol you got this

[autumn ice]

no throws to the last 8 bosses which is good

[graceful storm]

should I change my build?

[trim schooner]

probably idk

[autumn ice]

gameplay was absolutely horrid at the end but that was to be expected

[graceful storm]

Should I replace Sharp Shadow with Grimmchild?

[trim schooner]

YES

[fiery trench]

hell no

[trim schooner]

GRIMMCHILD MY BELOVED

[lone latch]

2 left

pv and absrad

[fiery trench]

the two non hk bosses

[autumn ice]

grimmchild for the free damage build gg

[trim schooner]

dont hate on grimmchild

he's trying his best

[lone latch]

just no hit pv

XD

[graceful storm]

Either Grimmchild or Weaversong

[fiery trench]

do I love the child? yes. if anything happens to them I’m killing everyone in the room and then myself
but they dont deserve the torture that is seeing GPZ im the dream flesh

[lone latch]

WISH ME LUCK O N ABSRAD

[graceful storm]

Weaversong would probably hit more than Grimmchild

[fallen cradle]

I love child

And kids

Jk

[fiery trench]

ur absolute Radiance so u should be fine

[fiery trench]

take the child

[trim schooner]

whaaatttt

[graceful storm]

I'll prefer spiders

[fallen cradle]

I’m being framed

[graceful storm]

they can do more

Grimmchild can miss

[fallen cradle]

Grimmchild is like so useless

[trim schooner]

hes trying his best

[lone latch]

PHASE ONE DONE

[fiery trench]

more damage for less accuracy vs more accuracy beg a lot less damage

[fallen cradle]

Misses everything. Except in pop

[trim schooner]

be nice to him cmon

[fiery trench]

no he misses there too

[fallen cradle]

Once tried it in PoP was so funny

[trim schooner]

not when you need him to but AT LEAST HES TRYING

[fallen cradle]

Nah o mean grimmchild is a w

[fiery trench]

no I’m glad he misses there
he understands the mission

[fallen cradle]

He’s just so….

[graceful storm]

weaversong deals 3 damage PER spider doesn't it?

[trim schooner]

yup

[lone latch]

PHASE 2 DONE

[trim schooner]

cute? amazing? W emotional support?

[lone latch]

LAST PHASE WISH ME LUCK

[fallen cradle]

Yes

[trim schooner]

thats sad

[fiery trench]

compared to the 20’s of grimmchild

[trim schooner]

gl (btw absrad technically has 6 phases but wtv)

[trim schooner]

isn't it 13

[lone latch]

wtvr

[trim schooner]

its 11 lmao

[lone latch]

I DID ITTTT

YEEEEESSSSSS

[trim schooner]

ggs

[fiery trench]

still better then 3

[fiery trench]

ggs

[trim schooner]

now install INFINITY and beat it again

[fiery trench]

gonna have to pass

[trim schooner]

yeah but at the same time theres more weaverlings and they spawn faster, but either way, grimmchild the goat, nobody taking that from me

favourite charm in the game

when i do radiant aleph one im overcharming with grimmchild

[lone latch]

finally beat p5

first run today aswell

[jagged shadow]

Nice

[jagged shadow]

My eyes

ahhhh

[trim schooner]

apparently suscat cleared phase 3 aleph one today and his first clear was a one hit phase 3 😭

[jagged shadow]

“The pain”

To much light

[graceful storm]

ZOTE IS KILLING ME BY WALKING

[jagged shadow]

She an

Shemma

[trim schooner]

lmao

[graceful storm]

never knew u can die to a boss who just walks

[fiery trench]

Got soul sanctum playing on loop in my room
living life well rn

[graceful storm]

should I be aggressive or defensive?

only attack when he does certain things or always attack him?

[fiery trench]

I play mixed, albeit slightly offensive

[jagged shadow]

||send him to bile water||

[fiery trench]

who?

[jagged shadow]

Zote

[fiery trench]

the area doesnt deserve that curse

[jagged shadow]

How about deep nest

[fiery trench]

dont send him here unless u intend for him to be eaten

[jagged shadow]

Nah wait hive

The sniper bees

[fiery trench]

I’m curious
how many people like Soul Sanctum the track

[wraith junco]

I have 112% and beat hollow knight

why have I not got this?

is it because I haven't fought radiance yet or beat him?

I've up to pantheon 4

[fiery trench]

u beat the game afterwards?

[wraith junco]

now pantheon 5

[rare dawn]

why the hollow knight is black

[wraith junco]

I beat hollow knight before the 112%

[trim schooner]

just kill the hollow knight rq

[trim schooner]

you have to do it after

[fiery trench]

u need to finish the end credits after getting 112%

[heavy barn]

you get this at the end of the credit scene after getting 112

[wraith junco]

ah

okay

thank you

[wanton niche]

Are there bugs in hollow knight?

[ruby patio]

Idk why you’re bugging everyone with such a simple question

[wraith junco]

I like that pun

[fiery trench]

yes in both ways

[ruby patio]

Thank you

[true jetty]

lol so true

[wanton niche]

lmao

[wind garnet]

2 hits but the first one was super early

and i played well most of the time

i got hit by really silly mistakes in phase 2

[trim schooner]

2 hits is still pretty good for first clear

[trim schooner]

i know, its hell lol, when i was going for hitless phase 3 i couldn't even be bothered playing remotely safe during the first 2 phases

[gusty siren]

Guys im tried i do White palace and i dont find the other One piece of Amulet

[wind garnet]

if you see the run you can tell i got hit by some very silly mistakes

[trim schooner]

watching it rn

have you seen my hitless phase 3 run

[wind garnet]

i think i did

wasnt what i expected

[trim schooner]

lol

[trim schooner]

same idk how tf i didn't get hit

i got so lucky when i missed the pogo and perfectly fell between the two spikes

[wind garnet]

and another silly phase 4 lol

[trim schooner]

i ddarked on purpose cos i couldn't be bothered finishing the fight

[wind garnet]

good job kid now rest before school starts

[trim schooner]

but that was after i missed a pogo 😭

lmaoooo

[wind garnet]

no need to chain yourself to this shit

[wanton niche]

How much damage does fury of the fallen give you?

Pure nail

[wind garnet]

with strength?

56

[trim schooner]

yo that phase 3 orb dodge was crazy

[trim schooner]

yea lol

oh bro that was such a sad way to die

[wanton niche]

What about the spells

[trim schooner]

doesn't increase spell damage

just nail

[wanton niche]

Like what does shirek and dark do

[wind garnet]

shaman? i know sriek does 120

[wanton niche]

Damage wise

[wind garnet]

shade soul does 40

ddark might be 60 with 5 on the right or something

[trim schooner]

ddark does 80 i think if all damage ticks land

[wind garnet]

i know that one side does more damage for some reason

[trim schooner]

88 with shaman

[wispy spire]

I’ve played hollow nights for a year in a row

I’m being fr

[trim schooner]

yeah without shaman its 60 or 65 lmaoooo

[wispy spire]

Is my hollow knights addiction too bad

[finite ember]

wowie

[finite ember]

Only 2 left WAHOOO!!!

[wispy spire]

Guys

[vale condor]

Idk you decide

[finite ember]

but which ?!?!

[trim schooner]

is that more than suscat wtf

[vale condor]

I would imagine so yeah

[finite ember]

Voidheart and I forgot the other one methinks,,,

[wispy spire]

I’ve played for 1y in a row

[graceful storm]

My Zote setup:

[finite ember]

Wait shit I think its that grub one

The other one

oh lord grubberflys elegy

YEA

That!!!

this is my first ever save file mind you

and i had to watch videos SO SO SO much\

[vale condor]

I should learn all the charm positions, I feel like thats a reasonable knowledge to have atp

[finite ember]

You get the little vessels that fly around you like little gnats 🥳

[graceful storm]

Schizophrenia:

[finite ember]

Ive played since 2023 and still dont know if fully dwdw

[graceful storm]

Bretta is gone bro 🥀💔

[finite ember]

If I was Bretta id leave too

[graceful storm]

Yea she def looked uncomfortable earlier with him...

[finite ember]

She'd be better with me (trust)

[graceful storm]

I read the wiki about Bretta

[naive dew]

Do not disrespect my lord and savior

[graceful storm]

apparently she sees us as a beast 💀

and after killing her "Grey Prince" 4 times she leaves

[copper spruce]

Mr beast

Melon

[naive dew]

Hihi

[wild sierra]

2 votes to pick my next radiant boss

just did zote

[wide jolt]

Do Winged Nosk

[heavy barn]

why not winged nosk yet

you can prob get it first try

[wild sierra]

ill count that as a vote from wielder

winged nosk it is

[heavy barn]

just double jump when he swoops because his hitbox is deceivingly tall

otherwise he basically isn't a threat

(i think his wings hit you when he swoops)

[wild sierra]

mhm

or i speedkill

[heavy barn]

you can't really speedkill him

literally runs away constantly

[wild sierra]

pogo

spells

[heavy barn]

well you can but it's unnecessarily hard

[heavy barn]

yeah use spells

[finite ember]

how do i get the grub to the left of me

[heavy barn]

his spit attack is unreactable damage if you're trying to pogo him

also pogoing him isn't as easy as it sounds

[wild sierra]

i hate the spit

ik ive tried

[finite ember]

anyone

[heavy barn]

just stay on the ground

[wild sierra]

nah

[heavy barn]

you can ddark if need be

[heavy barn]

there's literally no reason to go in the air

you do the same amount of damage either way

[wild sierra]

sped kill

[finite ember]

any help

[heavy barn]

the fight doesn't end any faster

literally the same

you're just taking unnecessary risks

the fastest way is probably some weird cyclone strat

well the real strat is prob way too hard for you to execute

[wild sierra]

nuh uh

[heavy barn]

if you want to speed kill go for shade soul doubles as he swoops

[copper spruce]

Thorns of agony

[finite ember]

anyone

[wild sierra]

i hate flying enemies

[heavy barn]

from above

[finite ember]

oh

[heavy barn]

there's the unexplored opening

[finite ember]

u lied

SON

THAT IS NOT A GRUB

[heavy barn]

there's an actual grub there too

behind the fake one

[wild sierra]

i was like 3 hits away from nosk

smh

[worldly oak]

defeating the mantis lords once again

[proper thunder]

y'all any stags in crystal

bru

I defeated brooding mawlek after ddark 😔

should I be ashamed

I silenced chat

I think I dumnot

*dunno

[wild sierra]

radiant winged nosk

[proper thunder]

I'm scared

[foggy sable]

the 2 you have left to radiant seem pretty easy

relative anyway

[wild sierra]

2 votes to pick the boss which should i do next

[shy patio]

Soul tyrant

[strong skiff]

no way bro has these two left

[foggy sable]

the question is what conditions led to those being the last bosses left

[royal scaffold]

are we deadass

[strong skiff]

my thoughts exactly

[wild sierra]

theyre so hard ):

[proper thunder]

how'd bro do radiance before tyrant and nailmasters

[royal scaffold]

?????

[strong skiff]

soul tyrant is NOT hard

[royal scaffold]

YOU DID RADIANCE, MARKOTH, GPZ AND LOST KIN WDYM

[shy patio]

Just as you needed patience for MARKOTH you need patience for these too

[strong skiff]

i hate oro mato but ts not harder than markoth

[wild sierra]

theyre so hard ):

[royal scaffold]

nailmasters maybe

[wild sierra]

ANYWAYS CAN YALL VOTE

[shrewd nymph]

do tyrant tbh

[strong skiff]

bro added lk😭😭😭😭

[wild sierra]

1 vote for soul tyrant rn

[royal scaffold]

but SOUL TYRANT?? ITS JUST ENDURANCE

[shy patio]

Tyrant

[wild sierra]

ok

[wild sierra]

you decided my fate

[strong skiff]

tyrant is just boring

[royal scaffold]

lost kin was honestly incredibly bs for me idk why

[shrewd nymph]

whattttt

[shy patio]

Broken vessel was harder for me

[foggy sable]

lune I accidentally made r5ab a tempting prospect

[strong skiff]

its way too long

[foggy sable]

help

[royal scaffold]

ok no wdym

[shrewd nymph]

i mean in radiant i can get behind that

[royal scaffold]

except for the rising blobs attack

[shrewd nymph]

guh

[shy patio]

GENUINELY

[royal scaffold]

which isnt that bad

[strong skiff]

the slam atack is legit harder than lk

[foggy sable]

(tempting being still terrible)

[strong skiff]

lk is also just

long

[foggy sable]

a 3 hit... it is so close

[royal scaffold]

lk has more blobs?

[shrewd nymph]

WHAT

[strong skiff]

does he

[royal scaffold]

YES?

[shrewd nymph]

wait who was the 3rd hit

[strong skiff]

even if thats the case you just

hit them

[foggy sable]

absrad

just collector, ecg, and absrad

[shrewd nymph]

💀

ok im sorry bc 3 hits is beyond impressive

but cg2??

[foggy sable]

I misdashed

you have to remember it was the furthest I had ever been on a 1 hit run

[shrewd nymph]

is that break buff or have you been doing a few attempts recently

[foggy sable]

so I did a 21 hit the day before

[royal scaffold]

the only thing in broken vessel fight that makes it harder in any way compared to lost kin is the upwards blob spam

[foggy sable]

and then a 10 hit on the same day

[proper thunder]

I hated soul master I can't imagine what tyrant is

[royal scaffold]

if you dont have issues with that then lost kin should be harder

[foggy sable]

and that is pretty much it

[royal scaffold]

faster and more hp

[strong skiff]

@shrewd nymph since genio is busy

[proper thunder]

dear lord

[royal scaffold]

literally just faster and more hp

[proper thunder]

what is ir

[shrewd nymph]

itemless

[royal scaffold]

infinite radiance

[wild sierra]

i hate soul tyrant

worst boss ever

[foggy sable]

ir soul warrior was enjoyable

[proper thunder]

br

[shrewd nymph]

ggs wow

[foggy sable]

well not bad perhaps

[strong skiff]

wdym😭

[shrewd nymph]

what does irab change vs ir? is it just -1 damage or am i tripping

[strong skiff]

its like free

[proper thunder]

y'all doing any radiance and here I am and I can't beat watcher knights

[foggy sable]

the 1 damage makes the minions from 3 to 4 hits I think

[shrewd nymph]

can you go back to hating r5ab so that i dont decide to try it

[strong skiff]

i havent had toggleble bindings downloaded in like

2 yeaers

[shrewd nymph]

where did anyrad come from 😭

[strong skiff]

i was not planning to do this anyway

i was just timining things

[proper thunder]

idk

[strong skiff]

and since i was tehre

[foggy sable]

well irab took an hour or something

and I liked it

[royal scaffold]

watcher knights is easy if you just smack them shade cloao through and smack them more

[shrewd nymph]

you gonna do any other itemless bosses?

[strong skiff]

ive done some before probably

[proper thunder]

uhh

[royal scaffold]

afaik they dont do the big roll unless you're far away

[proper thunder]

don't got shade cloak

[foggy sable]

oh I hate the run don't worry but I'm obliged to run it atm so I may as well have some good runs

[strong skiff]

i mean itemless and radiant itemless are different things

[strong skiff]

but no im not planning to

[royal scaffold]

oh ok have fun then biatch :3

[shrewd nymph]

fair enough

i dont enjoy itemless but ik some people do

[royal scaffold]

ddark abuse is peak tho

[strong skiff]

does that make follies take 4 hits

[foggy sable]

I think so

[strong skiff]

fr??

then its fucked

hold

[royal scaffold]

ddark abuse made radiant watcher possible for me

[strong skiff]

[[Soul Warrior]]

[violet flicker]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Soul_Warrior

[royal scaffold]

WHAT

[foggy sable]

I like the movement of it because it feels like absrad orbs

[strong skiff]

15 health

yes its fucked

[foggy sable]

anyway I did like that one

[strong skiff]

should be like 20% harder than just ir

maybe 10

[shrewd nymph]

'spawns up to 36 follies'

does that refer to at once or just the whole entire fight?

[foggy sable]

during the whole fight

[royal scaffold]

at once

[shrewd nymph]

interesting

[foggy sable]

the strat is to kill all the summons then fight attuned

[royal scaffold]

suffer

jk lol

[strong skiff]

I WAS SWEATING SO HARD BRO😭

[shrewd nymph]

thats interesting that he does that

[foggy sable]

I lost a run in like 20 minutes because I died after killing all the minions

it didn't have to take an hour

[royal scaffold]

wait

ITEMLESS??

NO SPELLS, NO DASH, NO CLAW

[proper thunder]

oh nahhhh

[royal scaffold]

ONLY OLD NAIL

[strong skiff]

i do wanna do some itemless but uhhhh reasons and things
i also think itemless but you have vs makes fights like 4x fun

[royal scaffold]

FUCK NAH

[foggy sable]

https://youtu.be/EJ58eZfNtAM

[proper thunder]

can't even vengeful

why does he look fat

[strong skiff]

i was close like 10-15 min in lol

[proper thunder]

oh that's the soul warriori

[royal scaffold]

"isnt 36 follies just free full soul meter"

-me

[foggy sable]

I think of the 3 I've done hive knight was the best

[shrewd nymph]

of the 2 ive done, false knight was the best

[wind garnet]

[strong skiff]

mr radipv pogoless joined

[proper thunder]

what are we talking about

[proper thunder]

wait two what

bosses? godhome? radiant?

[shrewd nymph]

radiant itemless all binding bosses

ive done false knight & pure vessel

[foggy sable]

the main problem with itemless is that it is exceedingly unenjoyable

for anything that jumps

[proper thunder]

of the 0 I've done, is the best

[strong skiff]

doesnt everything jump

you can go do mossy ig

[foggy sable]

not everything

[strong skiff]

wait no

[heavy barn]

flukemarm

[strong skiff]

it also jumps😭

[royal scaffold]

...

[foggy sable]

soul warrior for example doesn't jump

[strong skiff]

true itemless flukemarm is so peak

[proper thunder]

yes technically

[shrewd nymph]

i mean for pv it was just daggers that i didnt enjoy

[heavy barn]

well itemless flukemarm is atrocious for other reasons

[proper thunder]

elder baldur doesn't jump

[heavy barn]

but it can't jump

[shrewd nymph]

irab pv isnt very hard but u spend half the fight in phase 3 just sitting away

[foggy sable]

I would do irab pv if not for the daggers tbh

[royal scaffold]

uumuu technically doesnt jump

[strong skiff]

"i dont like the boss for having this hard to dodge attack"

not what you siad but you get the idea

[shrewd nymph]

... yeah basically

[proper thunder]

me when hornet 2

I ain't even done with the main game yet

[shrewd nymph]

hornet 2 has a hard to dodge arena

[proper thunder]

o

like the godhome arena

[shrewd nymph]

theyre basically the same

she gets bugged on the edges of it

[proper thunder]

oh

[foggy sable]

hornet 2 is so annoying

[royal scaffold]

why are yall out here purposely ruining your own experience with hk

[strong skiff]

its fun

[shrewd nymph]

i js dont like bosses like h2 and lk, bosses that are small and fast

bc im blind

[shrewd nymph]

what else are you supposed to do tbh

[foggy sable]

I run things I like doing

aside from p5ab atm

[strong skiff]

because p5ab is lame

[foggy sable]

which I unfortunately have to do

[proper thunder]

idea

[foggy sable]

but soon I can go back to fun things

[jade bloom]

e.

[proper thunder]

itemless ancient aspid

[proper thunder]

f.

[jade bloom]

ok.

[strong skiff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z8m3Wd9_V0

im trolling this was also pretty fun

[jade bloom]

🙏

[shrewd meadow]

roamar moment

[wild sierra]

i died to a dive

im so mad

soul tyrant radiant

[strong skiff]

hold

[strong skiff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOiKPDFGOqc

unless you mean a first phase dive

[wild sierra]

no

second

the ez oart

[strong skiff]

watch that video and never get hit again

[vestal cedar]

Can’t you normally just jump and dash

[wild sierra]

ik how to do it

[shrewd nymph]

you can also upslash dash slash, shriek, ddark etc

there are many ways for it

[vestal cedar]

Soul tyrant is doodoo butt

[copper spruce]

[foggy sable]

lies soul tyrant is great

[strong skiff]

Just jump and pogo...

Which is not necesserry even

Just jump is enough

[foggy sable]

I like the 4 upslash + shriek left to right spiral punish

[finite ember]

FUCK THAT IM NOT DOING TRAITOR LORDDD that walk back is ass

[copper spruce]

No

[strong skiff]

Walkbakc is like 3 rooms vro

[shrewd nymph]

how many ticks of shriek does a 5th upslash lose

dyk

[foggy sable]

it loses 1-2

[copper spruce]

67

[foggy sable]

I haven't tested for optimal

because I only do it in runs and have never practiced it

[shrewd nymph]

and what do you do for right -> punish then?

[clever drift]

Atleast it's not bilewater type of run back

[copper spruce]

Hollow knight fans when you don't lock your fps to 144

[shrewd nymph]

that isnt 4x m1 shriek

[foggy sable]

I don't know the 4x right to left

[shrewd nymph]

playing 3 digits fps is too hard smh

[foggy sable]

so I do 2x + shriek

[clever drift]

Hey lune

[shrewd nymph]

its the exact same as left -> right (upslash dash upslash dash shriek) but just easier

i can show u sometime if you're ever curious

[shrewd nymph]

hii yuu hru

[foggy sable]

also I tend to stay on the left side of the arena

so miss the window for the extra 2 hits

[copper spruce]

Hi lune

[shrewd nymph]

actually

i have recordings of the right -> left punish but not of the other way sadly

so i can send a vid if u want

[shrewd nymph]

long time no see fr

[foggy sable]

I mean I do know how to do it

but because i stay on the left side i miss the start of the attack

[shrewd nymph]

i mean you just dash over when he starts it up no?

im always somewhat central

[foggy sable]

which honestly might be a skill issue but those greed strats for it aren't useful for the runs I'm working on right now

[shrewd nymph]

fair enough

[copper spruce]

Yes

[foggy sable]

I hate ab collector but it needs to be practiced...

[finite ember]

traitor lord is ass

ez fight

[copper spruce]

Does it still work

Marmu

Doesn't

[foggy sable]

times have changed

[copper spruce]

[shrewd nymph]

i did the right -> left here without dashing so yeah dashing from far left would be possible

i was just curious

[languid gale]

nice skin

[clever drift]

Doing great just finished silksong

[clever drift]

What in the

[shrewd nymph]

oh sick ggs

[foggy sable]

you know what might be a fun idea, a 1hp non steel soul run

[shrewd nymph]

is that the same as glass soul? or is glass soul permadeath

[clever drift]

And made a mistake playing the game modded and sent me back to mount fay

[foggy sable]

technically it is glass soul

but most people thing of glass soul as perma death I think

[clever drift]

But I got every thing back under an hour

[foggy sable]

also 1hp would allow fury surely

[jade bloom]

e.

[copper spruce]

Glass soul activates an explosive on your neck if you get hit

[languid gale]

sounds fun

[foggy sable]

at least that means there is no need for early resets

[clever drift]

30% of time is me wasting time on fleas afk and pantheon of pharloom

[finite ember]

why tf did she die like that the mantis lord

[clever drift]

I'm too impatient for godhome dlc

[wild sierra]

i died to first dive

omfg

[foggy sable]

I would recommend against doing that

[wild sierra]

;-;

no really

[wide jolt]

When will we get DLC for Hollow Knight bro?

[foggy sable]

you do know hk is a finished game right?

[wide jolt]

I need new content

[wide jolt]

Since when?

[foggy sable]

since the godhome dlc

[wide jolt]

There’s DLC?

[foggy sable]

there has been 1 tiny bug fixing update and that is all for the last 4 years

[wide jolt]

But like, what DLC is there?

[agile zephyr]

I got my first Dreamer.

[agile zephyr]

And activated Grimm.

[foggy sable]

well they are called dlc but are closer to updates

[graceful storm]

-# btw why isn't Cornifer in Resting Grounds?

[wide jolt]

Like what’s in them?

[foggy sable]

things such as the grimm troupe

godhome

[agile zephyr]

"Who is LGBTQ+ in Hollow Knight?"
Everyone except Grimm.

Grimm is incredibly homophobic.

I decided.

[wild sierra]

died to afk phase

[wide jolt]

Oh! I thought that was base game stuff

[wild sierra]

fuck

[graceful storm]

@wide jolt

[copper spruce]

Ok

[foggy sable]

The game calls them DLCs

[wide jolt]

These allegations are wild

[wide jolt]

My bad

[graceful storm]

What charm build for Zote btw?

[agile zephyr]

Which one?

[graceful storm]

Wdym

[agile zephyr]

The one where he can't deal damage?

[foggy sable]

Well it is more they aren't what you would think of as DLCs but since the game calls them that everyone else does

[graceful storm]

Why would I need a build for THAT?

[agile zephyr]

Colluseum before it.

[graceful storm]

[agile zephyr]

Shaman Stone is good.

[wide jolt]

Because it’s really hard

[agile zephyr]

Grubsong.

[graceful storm]

The colosseum?

[agile zephyr]

Because you are getting hit.

[wide jolt]

Yeah. Also Strength is a must btw

[agile zephyr]

15,000 for Unbreakable Strength.

[graceful storm]

Zote deals 4 mask damage rn for me btw

[wide jolt]

Worth every single geo

[graceful storm]

12,000 for Unbreakable Heart

[wide jolt]

😭😭😭

[graceful storm]

9,000 for Unbreakable Greed

[agile zephyr]

12,000 for mid.

Just Lifeblood Core.

[graceful storm]

I beat him 4 times

[agile zephyr]

But worse.

[vale bronze]

BRU I'M TRYING TO SLEEPPPLLPLL

[graceful storm]

Ok

[wide jolt]

Then sleep

[agile zephyr]

"But it's cheaper."
And?

[graceful storm]

-# Enter her dreams

[agile zephyr]

You can get it without grinding for a long time.

[wide jolt]

Nightmare King for a reason

[wide jolt]

Or just do Trial 2 on the Coliseum over and over

[graceful storm]

Should I do a full spell build on Zote?

[latent fog]

Gng i just opened up the chat to see “nightmare king Grimm” is typing in chat like what😭

[wide jolt]

Charms are overrated anyways, just go in without any, you’ll be good 👍👍👍

[latent fog]

What could he possibly have to say 😭✌️

[wide jolt]

It’s peak trust

[agile zephyr]

Slurs, probably.

[copper spruce]

Shaman stone stucks

[latent fog]

Charms are NOT overrated

[wide jolt]

I am not homophobic!

[agile zephyr]

Bruh.

More damage is not bad.

[latent fog]

Whats ur build for charms then

[agile zephyr]

Especially with Descending Dark.

[wide jolt]

Yes it is

[latent fog]

Hell yea

[wide jolt]

Makes it easier for you, which is clearly not what you want. You clearly want to make it as difficult as possible for yourself

[agile zephyr]

Gotta get Abyss Shriek and Shade Dash.

That's about it.

And the two other Nailmaster moves.

[latent fog]

Lowkey at the beginning I was all about the speed build and I kind of still am 🥹

[wide jolt]

Get the last one

[agile zephyr]

Sans and Papyrus make you zoom.

[latent fog]

Sprintmaster and Dashmaster and Sharp Shadow🥹✌️

[wide jolt]

I never thought of it as Papyrus lol

That’s funny

[agile zephyr]

Just zoom.

No Nail, zoom.

[latent fog]

But sharpshadow I got later so it doesn’t really matter

[agile zephyr]

I could probably get both other Nailmaster moves right now.

[graceful storm]

father and son

[wide jolt]

😭😭😭

[agile zephyr]

But that thing to get to Sheo...

[latent fog]

My son has no will (spoken as the pale king)

[agile zephyr]

@stuck badger yo.

[wide jolt]

I cannot even lie, that is actually so funny

😭😭😭

[latent fog]

Father and son duo 🥹

[latent fog]

Which chat is that from🥹

[agile zephyr]

Meanwhile THK is shown to think.

[graceful storm]

Here

[latent fog]

???

[latent fog]

Farther up right?

[graceful storm]

It's been awhile

[latent fog]

Probably

[graceful storm]

And he thinks about stabbing himself over and over again

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-the-hollow-knight-thk-stab-gif-25367426

[latent fog]

While his father watches and sweats while thinking “he’s had no will… right??”

[graceful storm]

Why did u ping that creature?

[agile zephyr]

Team Cherry confirmed no Vessels have a gender.

Hornet isn't a Vessel, by the way.

[latent fog]

Yeah

Only the fullblood siblings of the knight are

[agile zephyr]

White Lady even calls Hornet "Gendered Child."

[latent fog]

And hornet and Knight aren’t fully related either to sea

[graceful storm]

New final boss:

[copper spruce]

Sharp shadow

[graceful storm]

Op charm

[agile zephyr]

He gonna be harder than the Radiance.

[graceful storm]

What's the worst boss and why is it White Defender?

[agile zephyr]

No Eyes.

[latent fog]

Guys where did NKG go?🥺

[agile zephyr]

Cool concept, bad execution.

[latent fog]

I don’t really dashing though enemies unless I really have to though

[copper spruce]

Skull issue

@shrewd nymph will agree with me that sharp shadow is op

[vocal crypt]

Somehow I beat broken vessel in like 10 seconds

[agile zephyr]

Or Vengefly King.

[shrewd nymph]

guh

[graceful storm]

Easiest boss

Also first pantheon boss too btw

[agile zephyr]

But also just so mid.

[latent fog]

Like boring worst boss or painful evil disgusting heart-wrenching boss?

[agile zephyr]

Feels like a normal enemy.

[graceful storm]

I beat Soul Tyrant in about 30-50

[agile zephyr]

But slightly stronger.

[graceful storm]

Soul Tyrant was too ez

[latent fog]

2nd phase took me a while tho

[vocal crypt]

It feels really weird beating bosses instantly on the 3rd playthrough

[agile zephyr]

At least Zote is funny.

[graceful storm]

This was my 2nd

[vocal crypt]

Atleast zote has a voice

[agile zephyr]

Vengefly King just does nothing of value.

[graceful storm]

Him stumbling across the arena lmao

[agile zephyr]

Smack.

[wide jolt]

How dare you, Vengefly King is one of my favourite bosses of the game!!

[graceful storm]

I like how Zote's stumbles are VERY deadly

[agile zephyr]

I know what you are.

[wary fable]

He kills zote if you don’t save him and get claw

[agile zephyr]

Good.

[wary fable]

So vfk is A tier minimum

[agile zephyr]

Zote deserves it.

[wide jolt]

And what is that?

[graceful storm]

Savage Vengefly is not that bad

[graceful storm]

A nightmare king

Satan

[foggy sable]

vfk is boring and uninteresting as a fight

[shrewd nymph]

grah

[agile zephyr]

True.

[foggy sable]

the summoning ritual worked

[graceful storm]

All he does is constant screaming

[latent fog]

HES BACK