hk-discussion

[midnight knot]

yum

[sleek bear]

Our conversation was so damn horrendous that the chat died

[wanton niche]

Fr

[midnight knot]

real

[cloud widget]

did anyone else love fighting brooding mawlek though

[sleek bear]

no just u

[midnight knot]

i dunnnooo

[wanton niche]

But the mantis lords were fun asf

[midnight knot]

i locked in and beat the shit out of them with low punish

[sleek bear]

they actually taught us to wait for timings instead of throwing the nail around

[cloud widget]

real

[midnight knot]

i didnt even learn timing

i just learnt to stand there and take it and then if i do dodge i punish

😭

[languid gale]

fr

[wanton niche]

The worst non dream boss/warrior is def traitor lord

It's not even the boss itself

[midnight knot]

hmm

[wanton niche]

It's the runback

[midnight knot]

valid.

[languid gale]

considering the difficulty of the boss the runback isnt that bad

[wanton niche]

I literally cried at attempt 26

[woeful yoke]

Funniest part of the boss fight btw

[wanton niche]

Sobbing

[sleek bear]

Dreamgate exists for a reason

[wanton niche]

I don't got that

[midnight knot]

is it good that i got monarch wings before even getting to like early late game (when u barely entered late game)

[languid gale]

who tf does essence before traitor

[woeful yoke]

Wait, you guys don't use dream gate??

[silver rover]

you just hit him, dash through, hit again, dash again

[languid gale]

most people dont get dreamgate before traitor lord

[sleek bear]

i fought traitor after beating p2...

[languid gale]

not really normal

[woeful yoke]

I mean, I usually just get as much essence as I can

That means the dream bosses + grave warriors

[midnight knot]

pantheon 5 silly

[wanton niche]

After killing him ofc it's eazy and you question yourself why it took so long

[silver rover]

traitor is just knowledge check, if you know what he does and how to counter he's just not a boss

[woeful yoke]

How many nail upgrades?

[midnight knot]

i think 3 (channeled nail right?)

[sleek bear]

his moveset is,
walk forward
pogo
shade cloak
jump

[woeful yoke]

3-4 attack patterns

[silver rover]

yeah

[woeful yoke]

Then you are fine

[midnight knot]

k

[woeful yoke]

It will help you navigate better

[sly mango]

I just lost 6k geo I'm doing awesome

[midnight knot]

it helps me get out of deep spots

[silver rover]

i had total of 3 roadblocks on my first pth, mawlek, lost kin and pv

[woeful yoke]

Ah, back in the day when I lost 10k geo on my first run

[silver rover]

mawlek is not rly fair without dash and lost kin having nearly the same hp as nkg doesnt help

[woeful yoke]

They are good mobility

Helps a lot against some bosses

[sly mango]

Dash and pogo are saviors with mawlek

[midnight knot]

i rarely use it for boss fights cuz im worried that if i overcommit it then i get massive 1-2 mask dmg

[silver rover]

and at that time my nail didnt oneshot his blobs so i had to pull out the spores

[sly mango]

Honestly I have no clue how I beat lost kin

[woeful yoke]

Dash, pogo and spells

[midnight knot]

silly desolate dive/descending dive spam

[woeful yoke]

Yeah

[silver rover]

same was for the flukemarm

[midnight knot]

descending dark

[woeful yoke]

Desolate Dive is a lifesaver

[silver rover]

personally dd sucks against kin

[woeful yoke]

I spammed her with Abysall Shrieks..

[midnight knot]

great iframes imo

like 1-2 seconds of iframes is hella nice in a boss fight 🙏

[sly mango]

I barely use dd actually for anything besides breaking fragile places outside of battles

[silver rover]

i didnt even have the spell at that time 💔

[woeful yoke]

It's a replacement for the shade cloak, in case you use it

And you need to like, wait for it to recharge

[midnight knot]

im bout to get descending dark rn

[woeful yoke]

Which is cool

[midnight knot]

im in crystal peak

[woeful yoke]

You would have found it broken-

[midnight knot]

wait

[silver rover]

he gets pushed away so it doesnt fully hits and then he starts doing his attack while youre still kinda recovering

[midnight knot]

how do i get descending dark anyways.

[woeful yoke]

Compare the Knight's kit with Hornet's

[woeful yoke]

Crystal Peak

[silver rover]

i know

[midnight knot]

wait but how in crystal peak

[silver rover]

in a mound

[woeful yoke]

On the left side, there is this tunnel that would lead you to a mound

[brisk steppe]

i was wondering if sshadow works even if you somehow dont have scloak

[woeful yoke]

You will find a Snail Shaman there

In a crystal

Smash it to bits and you get DD

[midnight knot]

o ok

[woeful yoke]

The others are easier to get

[silver rover]

i actually got my void spells onyl after getting the shade cloak....

[wanton niche]

Does the desolate dive give i-frames or ddark?

[midnight knot]

am i a monster for killing myla because i thought u cant fix her

[wraith prawn]

do yall know why the nail masters are so fat?

[silver rover]

felt to me like intended progression lol

[woeful yoke]

When I was new to the game, a former friend told me I should capitalize on the void spells because they are broken

[silver rover]

bug species

[midnight knot]

bug i think

[wraith prawn]

because theyre CASOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH

[woeful yoke]

Strong actually

[midnight knot]

for vessels i think based on combat experience is their height

for example pv or hk

[silver rover]

i thankfully didnt have any backseating firedns

[woeful yoke]

They aren't fat

[wraith prawn]

mmm

true

[woeful yoke]

He was wrong tho

[brisk steppe]

i guess ill wonder forever

[woeful yoke]

I found it easier to upgrade my nail

[midnight knot]

i capatilize m1s

[woeful yoke]

Then get the spells

[shrewd nymph]

both, and an equal amount too

[woeful yoke]

I run a very funky endgame build

Mark of Pride + Longnail + that charm which speeds up my nail hits + Unbreakable Strength

[midnight knot]

quick slah

what does sprintmaster do again

[woeful yoke]

Thank you

[woeful yoke]

You can use sprints faster

[shrewd nymph]

besides longnail thats a very typical build

[woeful yoke]

I use spells as assists

[midnight knot]

they should make a charm that makes ur move windup faster cause dash slash and stuff are like 3-4 sec charge

[woeful yoke]

I prefer nail fight

[foggy sable]

MoP + longnail my beloved

[brisk steppe]

hi lune do you know if sshadow works even if you dont somehow have scloak? silly question sorry ive been wondering

[shrewd nymph]

ive got news for you

[midnight knot]

does that exist.

cause if it does

[silver rover]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[midnight knot]

i need it

[foggy sable]

it does not

[shrewd nymph]

id assume it just does nothing

[woeful yoke]

I kind of like the wifi slash

[static stratus]

Yo I’m stuck on traitor lord because I’m bummy ash can yall tell me way to beat him

[brisk steppe]

thank you!

[shrewd nymph]

yes

nailmasters glory

[midnight knot]

yay

[woeful yoke]

Just learn his patterns, he is not that hard to beat

[midnight knot]

for some reason

i never heard of it

is that normal.

[static stratus]

I know but like

Should I get more nail arts

[shrewd nymph]

you get all 3 nail arts then talk to sly

[static stratus]

All I have is the dash one

or smt

[woeful yoke]

You need to learn all 3 nail arts

[shrewd nymph]

they dont do much on traitor lord really

[midnight knot]

what the fuhhhhh 😭

[woeful yoke]

And then go back to Sly, there will be a door opened to a cellar

[midnight knot]

i only got dash slash gng

[static stratus]

fair enough

Same

[midnight knot]

my friend tried tricking me into getting scammed by millibelle.

[woeful yoke]

He considers you a nailmaster once you learned all the arts

[shrewd nymph]

just stay close to traitor lord (so he cant use the glaive attack), then shade dash / ddark all his moves and the fight is just a repeat

[woeful yoke]

It's funny to me that Hornet learned like one slash for each Crest

Then the Knight learned some of the funniest slashes ever

[static stratus]

got chu

[woeful yoke]

Gameplay wise, who would win? Endgame Knight or Silksong Endgame Hornet?

Because lore wise we know the Knight clears

[shrewd nymph]

cant really discuss that here since no sk spoilers

[woeful yoke]

Oh well

[copper spruce]

Sharp Shadow

[midnight knot]

is it me

or the bugs would be saying to you if u didnt have lanterns and kept falling into spikes, "look at this dumbass trying to navigate through the dark"

[hidden spire]

https://tenor.com/view/modded-modded-minecraft-minecraft-draconic-evolution-cardboard-gif-10489911750658453176

[midnight knot]

i knew it

i was thinking "bomb?"

[hidden spire]

I was thinking of snake

[midnight knot]

snake

wait

can we send files and not get in trouble

cause lowk i like dis server

😔

was getting my ass chased in infected cr

fuhh

my 1800 geo gone into the lantern

😔

[sleek bear]

Knight no doubt

[midnight knot]

real

shii is overkill for hornet

[sleek bear]

fr

hornet built like a twig

[midnight knot]

no doubt hornet is gonna be foded

folded

[sleek bear]

knight starts with 5 hit points
hornet can take 5 hits (endgame)

[vernal knot]

The Knight becomes the God of Gods

Like that's the argument over right there and then

[midnight knot]

exactly

[smoky matrix]

Can we like, not talk about SS here?

[midnight knot]

wait are we talking bout lord of the shades knight or endgame knight before he became lots

[vernal knot]

Nothingexplicit

[sleek bear]

We're not talking about anything with spoiler

[midnight knot]

but we lowk curious, who WOULD win?

[vernal knot]

I mean "Endgame Knight"

[midnight knot]

and i mean

its no doubt knight

[vernal knot]

That means Voidheart

no?

[midnight knot]

aight

then knight wins no diff

[sleek bear]

all knight needs is quick slash and hornet getting folded

[smoky matrix]

Can talk about it in ss-disc, since you're considering gameplay and stuff.
But whatever.

[sleek bear]

We're talking about both hornet and knight

So

Doesn't really matter

[vernal knot]

It does

[midnight knot]

lets be real here, its hk AND ss, but theres no hk and ss channel

[vernal knot]

get the fuck out of #hk-discussion

[midnight knot]

so

we gotta pick

[vernal knot]

I just realized we're on #hk-discussion holy shit

I'm stupid

[sleek bear]

good morning

[midnight knot]

lmao 😭

[smoky matrix]

Yeah, no. This channel is strictly HK only.

[sleek bear]

took u awhile to realize

[vernal knot]

I thought I was still on #hk-general

Mb mb

[midnight knot]

unreal

i stil remember this one dude who did path of pain and then said "we need a charm where we have a plug in our ass and we take no damage from spikes"

deadass laughing

[sleek bear]

lowk

somebody make. A mod about that

gonna be peak

[midnight knot]

"HK is peak" the peak in question

[sleek bear]

i was gonna type something but on second thought

maybe not the smartest idea

[hybrid holly]

My god home randomly has white defender now even tho I didn't beat him in the overworld just in pantheon 1

What's up with that

[midnight knot]

lol

[midnight knot]

idek

prob tweakin

[shrewd nymph]

beating dung defender in hog / p1 does that

no clue why, hes an exception for that

[smoky matrix]

You don't need to beat White Defender for him to appear in Godhome.

[sleek bear]

Why tf is u in godhome if u ain't beaten dung defender

[hybrid holly]

Oh lmfao so I can get practice on him for the overworld version and then get like 200 essence from him easily or idk

[shrewd nymph]

300 essence in overworld

[hybrid holly]

I did, just not the dream version

[hybrid holly]

That's a lot

[sleek bear]

Oh

[midnight knot]

wtf.

[shrewd nymph]

theres a few (10ish) bosses that you dont need to kill to get in hog
and like 3 or smt you dont even have to fight

[midnight knot]

all roads lead to resting grounds tf?

[sleek bear]

Where's the other 300

[midnight knot]

i was in crystal peak

one path

all the way into resting

😭

[shrewd nymph]

wdym

[sleek bear]

like I'm at 1900 ss and with white defender 2.2k so where's the other 200 ess im missing tho

cuz like I don't remember any other boss having a dream vers

[hybrid holly]

I'm disappointed with the flying dream bosses like gorb marmu xero galien

No eyes

They're all pretty easy

[sleek bear]

Yet annoying as shit

[shrewd nymph]

false knight, soul master, dung defender, broken vessel, grey prince zote
then theres the 7 warrior dreams

[hybrid holly]

Xero was cool they should've made him easier

I meant

Harder

[sleek bear]

Alright thanks

[hybrid holly]

Why do you need more than 1800

[sleek bear]

112%

[hybrid holly]

Oh

Imagine steel soul counted dream deaths as real deaths

[shrewd nymph]

fatal shade soul victim

[hybrid holly]

So you'd have to do p1-4 without dying once back to back

[sleek bear]

Save quitting is a thing yk

[hybrid holly]

I just use shaman stone abyssal shriek for any boss that flies or is hung up in the air, it's a crazy strong tactic

[hybrid holly]

That's scummy tho

[sleek bear]

yea but like do you really wanna lose 10h worth of gameplay due to one mistake?

[shrewd nymph]

shriek is a bit iffy with warrior dreams, even knowing the directional knockback its still a bit weird

[vernal knot]

Yes

That's the game mode

[shrewd nymph]

for xero, shade soul hits 3 times so with shaman thats 120 dmg every shade soul, fully safe full range

[sleek bear]

yea but like at the same time thooo

[shrewd nymph]

its busted

[vernal knot]

Just Abyss Shriek

[vernal knot]

What about it

[sleek bear]

Not always 100% for all 4 hits to hit

[vernal knot]

It's not like it takes that long to get to 112% and P5

Unless your doinglikebindings

[shrewd nymph]

wai~1

[sleek bear]

it took me 32h to get to p3 gng

i mean if u ignore everything else

[vernal knot]

Yes this

[sleek bear]

then yea

[vernal knot]

Whail on the motherfucker

I need that Knight dead

[shrewd nymph]

every second someone shrieks markoth or xero (excluding spawn shriek on xero)

a poor soul dies

[vernal knot]

[foggy sable]

I shriek xero

[hybrid holly]

Just play normal runs then doe

[shrewd nymph]

grah

[vernal knot]

Let the choir sing 🗣️

[sleek bear]

no challenge

[foggy sable]

You can fast kill the phase transition with 3 shrieks

[hybrid holly]

Yeah no eyes is super annoying

[hybrid holly]

So is save quitting

[zinc iris]

Whose ?

[shrewd nymph]

but why would you not just hit it for soul then shade soul spam as it ends

more soul for same effect

[foggy sable]

Xero

[sleek bear]

save quitting isn't always worth it yk

Anyway

[shrewd nymph]

i used to shriek phase transition but i changed

[zinc iris]

Good to know

[midnight knot]

whats your guys reaction on my friend simping for grimmchild

[foggy sable]

Because you can kill before the transition ends this no risk

[frank estuary]

I use shrieks for xero all the time but for markoth I just use vengeful spirit, also hello

[rose ingot]

good choice tbh

[sleek bear]

pretty sure shriek can sometimes hit 5 times on xero

idk

[foggy sable]

And after is cg1 anyway

[hybrid holly]

Should you do SS right after pantheon 4 or do you go for 5 ?

[midnight knot]

WHAT.

[sick heath]

I do not care sorry

[sleek bear]

it's in the damn name bro, a CHILD

[rose ingot]

i mean, i would've went with HK/PV but thats just taste

[shrewd nymph]

afaik shade soul is fully safe and doesnt matter if you're close / if hes above a platform
doesnt make a huge difference ig

[rose ingot]

oh wait grimmchild

[shrewd nymph]

hiii

[rose ingot]

i thought that said grimm

never mind

[midnight knot]

LMAO

[rose ingot]

sorry

[foggy sable]

The shriek is much better charmless imo which is when I picked it up

[rose ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-me-drink-bleach-gif-22890796

[foggy sable]

Because shade souls aren't always double no shaman

[shrewd nymph]

theyre not always triples* you mean?

[rose ingot]

did i uh mention im mildly dyslexic

[sleek bear]

Shade soul hits for double even without shaman cuh

[shrewd nymph]

can a shade soul single hit xero shamanless?

[sleek bear]

how does dyslexic have any correlation

[sleek bear]

if hes moving towards u then mayb

[frank estuary]

Also the hitbox is smaller which makes it harder to hit enemies

[rose ingot]

sometimes i read something but my brain reads something different

[foggy sable]

Not always doubles

[midnight knot]

W

i got descending dark

:rahhh:

[shrewd nymph]

i have never seen it single hit thats interesting

[frank estuary]

I don't think so, the hitbox is too small

[sleek bear]

so your brain reads something then forgets what it just read then reads it again and gets it wrong

[shrewd nymph]

maybe i should go buy a lottery ticket

[foggy sable]

Particularly if Xero is further away after the first few shade souls

[rose ingot]

yeah pretty much

[foggy sable]

Whereas 3 shrieks is a consistent 240 damage

[shrewd nymph]

well i'll keep it in mind i suppose

[hybrid holly]

Wut how would that work

[rose ingot]

i mean technically grimm is the grimmchild i think

[shrewd nymph]

ive never had any remote issues after phase change xero

[shrewd nymph]

well shaman increases shade soul size, making it more likely to multihit

[rose ingot]

cause like the nightmare king is reborn through the grimmchild

[midnight knot]

i dont tink so

[hybrid holly]

No but how would you kill it with one shade soul, no way it's that weak

[shrewd nymph]

i meant single hit as in the shade soul only does 1 tick of damage

[foggy sable]

It can

[shrewd nymph]

with shaman it mostly triple hits (40*3) for 120 dmg

[rose ingot]

i mean i can't really think of another reason why grimm basically asks you to kill him

[midnight knot]

cause yes

[rose ingot]

also just look at grimmchild
das a teeny grimmy

[midnight knot]

why would people be so cruel enough to make arts of grimmchild

😔

[rose ingot]

anyways can we talk about why your friend was simping for a CHILD

[midnight knot]

cause

he sent " 😛 " to it

he lowk thirsty for children overall

[rose ingot]

uh maybe stop being friends with them

at least till they get their act together

[zinc iris]

Getting into the weird times of this chat

[midnight knot]

peak

[rose ingot]

i mean come on troupe master grimm is literally right there

[midnight knot]

he wants the REAL thing 😭

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-out-black-guy-tweaking-meme-gif-6022943353035016664

[foggy sable]

Overworld runs are boring and pantheon runs are difficult this is tragic

[rose ingot]

anyways tell your friend to grow some taste and start simping for the hollow knight

[midnight knot]

i cant tell if the knight is female or male cuz gng gave birth to like 3 types of hatchlings

[rose ingot]

no thats

[zinc iris]

Hop on silksong challenges

[midnight knot]

well

actually.

it has no gender

[rose ingot]

and thats a child i think maybe idk how vessel age works

[zinc iris]

Or other games like hades (peak)

[midnight knot]

ok

[midnight knot]

now i cant stop imaging that grimm made the knight give birth to grimmchild

[rose ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-intense-scare-gif-21112634

[midnight knot]

😔

[zinc iris]

why am I literate

[midnight knot]

d1 tweaker

[rose ingot]

idk vessel age is weird
hornet is 2 foot negative 2 but is clearly an adult

[midnight knot]

her blinding speed is 1 mph

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[zinc iris]

Hornet isn't a vessel

[rose ingot]

i know but what else am i supposed to call her

[midnight knot]

bug.

https://tenor.com/view/freak-tweak-tweaker-tweaking-freak-out-gif-16108345590627731463

[zinc iris]

Bug ye

[rose ingot]

as far as i know, hornet is a vessel that was never hollowed by the void

[midnight knot]

shes a vesug

[zinc iris]

But she isn't s vessel

[clever ridge]

what charms should I use to kill nkg ?

[midnight knot]

grimmchild (joke 🙂 )

uhhh

[zinc iris]

A vessel is when they get hollowed out by void

[clever ridge]

[shrewd nymph]

strength shaman/mop qslash

[midnight knot]

my friend said that the knight was in the void when silksong happened and then he came to the world as a young vessel

after silksong

[rose ingot]

so she's a mug that never got carved so its just a ceramic cylinder
dont ask why this was my metaphor

[clever ridge]

Grimmchild is necessary?

[shrewd nymph]

yeah theres 2 more notches for that

qfocus is usually good but nkg is very healable so eh

[wanton rain]

Which charm should I get next? I have every charm except kingsoul

[midnight knot]

hmm

kingsoul

im pretty sure.

[wanton rain]

Ok. So I have to go kill traitor lord and a ton of dream bosses

[midnight knot]

yeah

[slate dock]

Time moves slower for bugs I think

[rose ingot]

pale king made hollow knight eat their vegetables and drink their milk and thats why they're so fucking tall

[boreal hollow]

How much essence do you have

[wanton rain]

1200+

[midnight knot]

bro made him take the whole vitamin gummy ja

jar

😭

[rose ingot]

unfortunately, radiance ate 2 jars

[slate dock]

What dream bosses did you kill

[sleek bear]

W?

[slate dock]

Dream bosses & warriors

[midnight knot]

female vitamin gummies

[boreal hollow]

1800 to enter white palace

[midnight knot]

when did they have hk on mobile

[rose ingot]

radiance always takes her girl pills

[sleek bear]

pirate

and steam link

[rose ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-gunk-icanttakeitanymore-thistimeimreallygonnadoit-gif-8341758396657046929

[midnight knot]

shit

[sleek bear]

[midnight knot]

i died to the big red guard guy.

[wanton rain]

Ihave killed every warrior dream except markoth and done every whispering root.

[midnight knot]

i lowk

forgot his name.

[frank estuary]

[slate dock]

How do you have 1200 then

[zinc iris]

Those aren't bosses

[rose ingot]

xero?

[sleek bear]

They're mini bosses

[zinc iris]

Bosses give 300-400

[midnight knot]

yuh

[sleek bear]

Can hardly even be considered a mini boss ngl

[frank estuary]

I just realised, why's there Batman in this 😭

[shrewd nymph]

theyre bosses, just not dream bosses

[zinc iris]

I meant dream bosses

[sleek bear]

also why's paintmaster sheo so ez

i beat him on first try

[slate dock]

Did you kill lost kin?

[sleek bear]

😭

[zinc iris]

They're dream warriors

[midnight knot]

"wrong universe buddy, gotham doesnt exist, only city of tears"

[wanton rain]

Well, I get essence from them and I count warrior dreams as bosses

[frank estuary]

Lol

[zinc iris]

Go after the dreams bosses they give alot of essence

[midnight knot]

hollow knight is the batman of hollow knight (shii sounds confusing)

[sleek bear]

y'all how many attempts did paintmaster sheo took u

[midnight knot]

i didnt even get to that part lowk

[wanton rain]

Well, broken vessel was ez second try. I'll go for lost kin.

[frank estuary]

1 for me, got it first try

[sleek bear]

same

he's easier then oro and mato

idk how

Thought the pantheons were meant to get harder

[frank estuary]

Because it's 1 vs 2

[wanton rain]

It gives most essence right?

[shrewd nymph]

yes

[sleek bear]

Valid

[wanton rain]

Is it the hardest

[frank estuary]

Oro and mato is more difficult imo, very hard to radiant

[rose ingot]

anyways gn guys

[sleek bear]

White defender is the hardest dream boss pretty sure

[shrewd nymph]

the only exception to that is p1 & 2 really

[zinc iris]

2 or 3 died the first time I got to him

[shrewd nymph]

with bindings they get mixed up in difficulty too but eh

[rose ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-game-knight-hollow-silk-song-gif-25946303

[wanton rain]

Ok

[frank estuary]

Gn

[midnight knot]

me after dying to lost kin for the 50th time

[sleek bear]

Oh yeah, thanks for the idea imma radiant them

[wanton rain]

What charms for traitor lord

[slate dock]

Quickslash shaman stone wayward compass strength and longnail

Trust me bro

[wanton rain]

Why wayward compass

[slate dock]

Because it's the best charm

[midnight knot]

wayward compass op

[bright oyster]

Sharp shadow could also be good

[midnight knot]

it gives 2000% dmg

[slate dock]

It shows where you are on the map

[midnight knot]

2000% spd

op charm

[frank estuary]

I agree but isn't it better to use Mark of pride instead of longnail

[zinc iris]

Me when I overcharm

[wanton rain]

And strength is still fragile. I won't use it

[zinc iris]

And take 4 damage

[slate dock]

No because it's too expensive

[frank estuary]

Yes but not just remove it momentarily for a boss fight imo

[shrewd nymph]

isnt longnail bugged

[frank estuary]

It's 3 , just remove long nail and wayward compasss

[midnight knot]

hold up

i was fighting lost kin and forgot defender crest

[bright oyster]

But ngl wayward compass carries p5 frfr

[midnight knot]

real

gotta navigate ur way through p5

[slate dock]

Why would you need it for tl anyway

[frank estuary]

Fr, in p5 , everyone dies in 1 hit because of that

[slate dock]

Fuck mop

[bright oyster]

Yeah its so good

[frank estuary]

I mean it's better than long nail imo

[slate dock]

That's why there's a waywardless category on spedrun.com

[bright oyster]

Traitor lord is pretty easy once you learn how to dodge his attacks

Its just dash, stand still, dash

[shrewd nymph]

every boss is

[frank estuary]

What, that's an actual thing 🤣

[sly mango]

QUIRREL IS THE GOAT

[slate dock]

Life became easier when I ditched both long nail and mop (BECAUSE THEY'RE USELESS) for spell twister

[sly mango]

If I get through Uumu or whatever its name is before I get to sleep I'll have killed all 3 dreamers in one day

[slate dock]

Who needs a longer sword anyway

Be happy with what yall have

[bright oyster]

Anyways whats yalls favorite boss?

[frank estuary]

I actually used the combo of mop and long nail together, it's quite nice tho, Im mostly a nail player

[bright oyster]

Same

[frank estuary]

Nice

[slate dock]

Your sword range doesn't matter

[sly mango]

Broken vessel has got to be up there in my list

[slate dock]

5 slots for what

[shrewd nymph]

absrad

[bright oyster]

Broken vessel was also cool

[civic kite]

Which is the best build for ||Trial of the fool||, guys?

[frank estuary]

It helps me tho, since I don't use much of spells

[slate dock]

Because 50% of the time they're gonna be in your normal nail radius anyway

[frank estuary]

Pv, nkg and sob

[civic kite]

PV.

[foggy sable]

pv got demoted?

[slate dock]

R u max nail or nah?

[shrewd nymph]

i think RaBtheon of pv took a toll on me

[civic kite]

Yeah, got everything.

[bright oyster]

Well my fav boss is pretty obvious lol

[shrewd nymph]

absrad > pv/gpz/tyrant ish

[foggy sable]

Why would you even do that

[bright oyster]

Mb

[smoky matrix]

I HATE AbsBad.

[wanton rain]

Mantis lords

[bright oyster]

Idk why i replied

[foggy sable]

Anyway absrad is best

[frank estuary]

You mean r4ab?

[foggy sable]

Then sheo

[shrewd nymph]

because i was curious if it was hard or not

[bright oyster]

Sheo is underrated ngl

[shrewd nymph]

nah, hitless pure vessel 42 times in a row + all bindings

[foggy sable]

I should do more radtheons

[smoky matrix]

?tag yesping

[idle belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1274898968496705536/plsping.png?ex=66c73970&is=66c5e7f0&hm=d901d5317c70b09a27ce9b414d777315bc090bf67413aa9eb7948f5076a0d7a0&

[shrewd nymph]

just for you

[smoky matrix]

Insane.

[slate dock]

Are you more of a nail player or spell player

Do you use spells often is what I'm askingg

[wanton rain]

Nail

[slate dock]

With all due respect jee I did not ask you.

[frank estuary]

Ahhhh, nice, I can't even do it once

[wanton rain]

I save soul for heals

[civic kite]

I could use both but what is the best build for survival and one for quickest completion?

[wanton rain]

I didn't notice it vas a reply

[shrewd nymph]

he becomes very natural after a bit dw

[slate dock]

Quickest completion ur gonna have like 4 slots bro

[shrewd nymph]

but radtheon alone is boring, letalone rabtheon

[bright oyster]

Yo lowk steel soul deathless challenge lowk so unique

[midnight knot]

fuhh i got to the last stage of lost kin and died (i lowk forgot how to heal when im in a boss fight)

[frank estuary]

I mean I didn't try it yet, the last time I played, I was practicing to parry pv

[slate dock]

Nah having to complete steel soul alone is challenging enough but doing it DEATHLESS? Insane lmfao

[frozen hull]

@shrewd nymph

[bright oyster]

Yeah ik right

[shrewd nymph]

@frozen hull

[civic kite]

Survival?

[slate dock]

Wdym by survival? Like boss fights?

Or just exploring?

[civic kite]

Boss fights.

[bright oyster]

Wait what about radiant hitless fr

[midnight knot]

OH MY GOD

FINALLY.

yay

[rose peak]

Guys whats ypur favourite boss in hk

[foggy sable]

Well radiant and hitless are slightly different

[bright oyster]

Hive knight

[foggy sable]

Sort of technically

[shrewd nymph]

absrad

[rose peak]

Can tell

[frank estuary]

Pv, nkg and sob share 1st place for me

[bright oyster]

Lol

[slate dock]

It's objective

[rose peak]

Nice

[zinc iris]

Pv/sob

[rose peak]

nice

[sleek bear]

Took me 6 tries to beat oro and mato on ascended

[civic kite]

Ok....

[rose peak]

Nioce

[sleek bear]

how badly am i gonna get clapped on radiant

[midnight knot]

not badly

[rose peak]

Not that bad

[midnight knot]

if ur good prob

🙂

[shrewd nymph]

radiant means overcharm though

[sleek bear]

yea ik

gonna use long nail and mop

[bright oyster]

Whats in your guy’s opinions the most forgettable boss?

[rose peak]

Elder hu

[bright oyster]

Imo its no eyes

[rose peak]

Zote

[bright oyster]

Dream warriors so niche🥹

[frank estuary]

Tbh I forgor you can overcharm, and did 1/4 of the hall of gods on radiant without overcharming...

[midnight knot]

easily the hollow knight trust

[shrewd nymph]

crazy work

[smoky matrix]

R5 without overcharming.
The Dyrati way.

[civic kite]

Hollow knight.... the music's peak.

[shrewd nymph]

has soul tyrant always been top? either way beautiful that hes there
broken vessel though..

oh my jay ping am i dreaming

[foggy sable]

Soul tyrant was 5 a while ago

[rose peak]

Dislikinig gorb is a crime

[hidden spire]

Soul tyrant is awesome

[foggy sable]

But zote got promoted

[hidden spire]

He's not ascending

[foggy sable]

It is a truth

[shrewd nymph]

bv is so weird to me because hes just unusually slow.. ykwim

[wind garnet]

wtf pv demoted

[rose peak]

Aaa

[zinc iris]

Pv hater smh

[shrewd nymph]

like after lost kind he just feels way too slow

[smoky matrix]

Ruh roh.

Suscat is here.

[foggy sable]

Yes

[wind garnet]

its kinda mid icl

[shrewd nymph]

pv is down in the trenches 😭

[rose peak]

Why u no likey pv

[midnight knot]

i have a question, what should be my main grinding charms (I have wayward compass, stalwart shell, soul catcher, shaman stone, soul eater, dashmaster, grubsong, spell twister, steady body, quick slash, long nail, mark of pride, defenders crest, glowing womb, deep focus, lifeblood heart, and dreamshield)

[rose peak]

Use wayward

[bright oyster]

Getting slandered bcs of pv is insane

[zinc iris]

How many days are u at btw ?

[foggy sable]

Boring boss and other stories

[wind garnet]

pv is hard :(

[midnight knot]

wut else doe 😔

[smoky matrix]

Crazy coming from you.

[rose peak]

Shell

[hidden spire]

Glowing womb because it's funny

[wind garnet]

levi

[shrewd nymph]

pv is kinda boring but still

[smoky matrix]

True. PV and NKG are both boring.

[frank estuary]

Ackerman?

[wind garnet]

oh

[sleek bear]

ok so lh and mop in oro and mato fight really ain't the best

[wind garnet]

its lune lmo

[shrewd nymph]

the marmu guy

[wind garnet]

lmao

[bright oyster]

Yo guys hear me out… mossy

[shrewd nymph]

huh? does he have this name

isnt it just levi and some numbers

[midnight knot]

wut else

[wind garnet]

he had it in anyrad cord

[rose peak]

Gun mod

[shrewd nymph]

ohh thats why, i never look there

[midnight knot]

gun?

[wind garnet]

67

[midnight knot]

easy win frfr

[rose peak]

Ye

[compact pivot]

will hk ever get more dlc's?

[rose peak]

No

[midnight knot]

i think not

[zinc iris]

No

[shrewd nymph]

unlikely

[bright oyster]

Only in our dreams

[midnight knot]

team cherry said they were working on a different project

[compact pivot]

😔

[midnight knot]

but didn't cancel hollow knight

[frank estuary]

Sadly no, but atleast we're gonna get sk dlcs

[midnight knot]

but but

[rose peak]

I dont hve sk yet :)

[bright oyster]

SO THATS WHY WE USE DREAM NAIL ON OURSELVES

[midnight knot]

what about holow nite 🙁

[hidden spire]

Bad bad

[frank estuary]

I don't either, but I'll eventually get it no matter what

[rose peak]

Samee

[hidden spire]

https://tenor.com/view/nine-sols-yi-heng-yi-nine-sols-heng-nine-sols-gif-9736122072030727152

[frank estuary]

It came out in 2017 right? So it's a nice thing it hasn't been forgotten yet

[rose peak]

Guys whats better HK or undertale storywise and gameplaywise

[bright oyster]

Hmmm

Both are goated

[civic kite]

HK for sure.

[frank estuary]

I've only played a little bit of undertale so can't say

[rose peak]

As someone who is obsessed with both games

Icl the sory in undertale is unbeatable

[hidden spire]

Nine sols

[rose peak]

But hk gameplay isgood

[bright oyster]

Yep

[rose peak]

Bettee*

[rose peak]

NO WAIT

Expedition 33

[hidden spire]

I haven't got e33

should i

[bright oyster]

But hollow knights atmosphere is insane

[rose peak]

Frr

[shrewd nymph]

holy peak

[sleek bear]

I've done all 4 paths in undertale and undertale definitely has more story but hk has more gameplay

[rose peak]

yep

[bright oyster]

Yall choose : 1M$ or 1 hollow knight copy

[rose peak]

Wdym4 paths

[sleek bear]

Gen
Pacifist
True pacifist
Netural

[frank estuary]

1 M and I'll buy 100 hk copies 👍

[bright oyster]

Investments people.

[rose peak]

oh yeah

Same

[blissful thistle]

As someone who has fully completed undertale and hollow knight (except p5) i would have to hk is better gameplaywise, but in terms of story i would say they are about equal

[rose peak]

I thought true pascifist was pasidist

[frank estuary]

Gotta support the devs, instead of taking the game for free

[sleek bear]

Undertale has way way more depth in story man wdym

[blissful thistle]

Pacifist doesn't change anything until you go back so theres really only 3 routes

[sleek bear]

You need to do pacifist first in order to do True pacifist

[blissful thistle]

Hk story is really good too

[frank estuary]

Idk about undertale, but hk has interesting story imo, they left a lot of questions in the story, but it does have a lot of depths and mysteries

[sleek bear]

yea it's really good but undertale just got more depth in on characters and the game just has multiple lore hidden easter eggs

[blissful thistle]

Yeah but it doesn't change the ending until you go back and meet with papyrus and undyne after you beat asgore and flowey

[rose peak]

Yeah but imo the undertale depth is deep asf

[hidden spire]

Nervous glorp

[sleek bear]

No? You do pacifist first then asgore kills you for ur soul so u restart and do the true pacifist route

[blissful thistle]

What one achievement are you missing

[blissful thistle]

No?

[rose peak]

I got all

[blissful thistle]

Oh nvm i cant read

[sleek bear]

yeah? i remember asgore killing you for ur soul then flowey resets ur save

[blissful thistle]

Im an undertale fan

[rose peak]

Lol

[rose peak]

PEAK

[rose peak]

No?

[sleek bear]

"We undertale fans don't pay attention to anything!"

[blissful thistle]

No you defeat flowey and you spare him and he tells you you can go back and change things

[foggy sable]

Imagine getting the achievements

[frank estuary]

[rose peak]

Noooo

[sleek bear]

Oh? I must be thinking of a netural ending

Mb

[rose peak]

Ha

[foggy sable]

Hunters is top 3 most annoying HK things

[rose peak]

Its ez

I got it in 6 hours

[foggy sable]

I didn't say difficult

Annoying is the operative

[blissful thistle]

What is your favourite undertale boss

[rose peak]

Its not annoying :D

[rose peak]

def asriel

[foggy sable]

It looks extremely annoying

I guess a save analyser would make it less so

[zinc iris]

U prob have alot of the entries already

[frank estuary]

What are the other 2?

[blissful thistle]

My personal favourites are mettaton ex and undyne the undying

[foggy sable]

Other hunter and Mr mushroom

[rose peak]

Nicee

[foggy sable]

I'd rather just do p5ab again than do any of them

[blissful thistle]

WHY WOULD YOU NOT HAVE MR MUSHROOM

[frank estuary]

Fair enough, mushroom one was quite annoying

[foggy sable]

Because I rarely exit godhome

[blissful thistle]

BEST CHARACTER IN THE GAME

[foggy sable]

ehhh

Benchwarp would make it less annoying

[blissful thistle]

"ohh... Excuse me" 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[zinc iris]

Is p5ab even challenging enuff tho at this point

[foggy sable]

No

But it is fun still

[blissful thistle]

That cheating

[zinc iris]

[rose peak]

Nuh hu

[shrewd nymph]

p5ab also basically gets to a point where dying is impossible

Bc lifeblood

[blissful thistle]

Yeah eah

[foggy sable]

I only die in the p1 section if I'm doing no healing and not paying attention

[blissful thistle]

If you do the other pantheons with bindings

[zinc iris]

Clearly u haven't seen me play

[foggy sable]

And never in the rest because lifeblood

[shrewd nymph]

I mean id assume you've done p1-4eb if ur doing p5ab

[foggy sable]

No lifeblood is a fun challenge

[blissful thistle]

[zinc iris]

Try hades

[foggy sable]

I have actually

[blissful thistle]

I think i would struggle more on p3eb than p4eb

[zinc iris]

It has lot of challenging stuff too

[foggy sable]

I need to get back to it

[blissful thistle]

Purely because of sly

[blissful thistle]

Hate that fucker

[shrewd nymph]

Eh maybe, p3ab is definitely harder and way harder at that though

[foggy sable]

Basically the grinding puts me off rogue lites

[zinc iris]

U can try heat runs with what u have

[foggy sable]

And also the dialogue is about 10 runs behind where it should be

[copper spruce]

No

[foggy sable]

I had about 20 titan blood before the means to use it

Because keys are harder to find than won runs

[blissful thistle]

I hate sly so much

My worst enemy

[zinc iris]

Damn

[hybrid holly]

Keep practicing zawg

[zinc iris]

Did u finish the game btw

[foggy sable]

I won the first 10 bow runs I tried

[blissful thistle]

Theres no way she beat the game with 15/63 achievements

[hybrid holly]

Nah I can't, I'm doing P1 tho

[foggy sable]

So I have to just do runs to progress story

Which is sad

[zinc iris]

But the story is peak

[zinc iris]

Smh pantheons before finishing base game is crazy

[foggy sable]

Well idk because the dialogue is all delayed

[hybrid holly]

Well I'm not allowed to go to deepnest yet, it's a self imposed restriction

[blissful thistle]

She went to godhome before beating elder hu

[rose peak]

Giyuys a very helpful tip in hollow knigth is to NIT SAVE ZOTE

[blissful thistle]

Said elder hu was impossible

[foggy sable]

I had the 10th escape dialogue trigger after 20 escapes

[zinc iris]

Ye ik she uses mods alot

[foggy sable]

Because there was a dialogue queue

[hybrid holly]

I beat it after shade cloak first try tho

[hybrid holly]

I got godhome legitimately in my main playthrough

[blissful thistle]

I fell like you dont even need shade cloak

[foggy sable]

All of this sort of dampened the experience

[hybrid holly]

I don't cheese there

[hybrid holly]

True

I should do traitor lord soon

Maybe after p1

[zinc iris]

Hmm I've never had this happen but reasonable

[foggy sable]

It only took 10 attempts for my first escape...

[hybrid holly]

I'll practice mawlek then do P1 again, Oro & mato will kick my ass tbh

[foggy sable]

Then the darkness grinding

[rose peak]

Go to deepnest for tram pass

[hybrid holly]

Not yet...

[rose peak]

NOW >:(

[hybrid holly]

I have to do everything possible in the game before deepnest

[zinc iris]

That's pretty good took me like 15 it did take a few runs to max out the mirror tho

[zinc iris]

U can't

[foggy sable]

I still don't have max mirror

[hybrid holly]

Ik, I mean everything that doesn't have deepnest

[zinc iris]

Pantheons have deepnest bosses

[rose peak]

Deepnest isnt that bad

[hybrid holly]

True

[zinc iris]

I think P2 has nosk

[hybrid holly]

Not p1

[rose peak]

P3 i think or is that p4

Or P2

[shrewd nymph]

Its p2 iirc

[rose peak]

Aaaaa

[rose peak]

Ok thx

[hybrid holly]

I can do most of ascended HoG without deepnest but my damage with coil nail is so ass

[foggy sable]

P2 nosk

P3 galien

[hybrid holly]

I think it should be flipped

Isn't galien easier

[foggy sable]

We don't talk about galien

[hybrid holly]

Any flying dream boss except markoth is easy I think

[foggy sable]

galien is bad memories

[hybrid holly]

Radiant watcher knights might make me break my controller unless I learn to cheese them

[rose peak]

Galien is marmu but less brain fmg

[hybrid holly]

Marmu you just stand in a corner and play tennis

For ascended ig in the middle

[foggy sable]

Galien is worse than marmu somehow

As marmu is only the second worst boss

[rose peak]

Ngl mrmu is too ez to be a warrior

[blissful thistle]

Traitor lord is easy

[blissful thistle]

It is p2

[blissful thistle]

Marmu killed me on my first playthrough

Before i got the stag/bench

I died before i could get back to my shade

Lost 12k geo

[rose peak]

Gng wta

[tulip narwhal]

Wsg gng

[foggy sable]

You don't understand

[rose peak]

:/

[foggy sable]

Hang on you did p5ab you should understand

[rose peak]

its my opinion

[foggy sable]

You will understand in time

[rose peak]

For what 😭

[foggy sable]

Marmu is highly disliked for a reason

[blissful thistle]

Radiant/p5 markoth would so much easier if he had a fucking floor

[rose peak]

True

[blissful thistle]

Just stay in the corner

[foggy sable]

And the better you get the more marmu hatred in most cases

Not all though

[midnight knot]

ref

i need tips for fighting hornet (the 2nd time in the silly snowy caves)

[blissful thistle]

Its not snow but ok

[midnight knot]

ok

[blissful thistle]

Actually maybe it is

Idk

[midnight knot]

i need tip

😔

[blissful thistle]

What part are you struggling with

[midnight knot]

the little spike ball things

[zinc iris]

It's ash

[midnight knot]

those things limit my movement

[blissful thistle]

Do you have shade soul

[blissful thistle]

Thats what i thought

[midnight knot]

im tryna get shade soul

[blissful thistle]

Get it

[midnight knot]

but i need king's brand

and thats my quest right now

[blissful thistle]

No you dont

[midnight knot]

king's brand.

u dont?

i thought u do.

[blissful thistle]

No

[midnight knot]

how get.

[blissful thistle]

Do you have shopkeepers key

[midnight knot]

yea

i have sly thing unlocked

[blissful thistle]

Ok

[midnight knot]

so yeah

[blissful thistle]

Did you buy the key he sells

[midnight knot]

uhh

was it that

more complex key

i forgot its name

[blissful thistle]

Yes

[midnight knot]

uh yea

[blissful thistle]

Did you find where it was used

[midnight knot]

no

[spiral jungle]

at how much health does pure vessel do his void thing

[blissful thistle]

Ok

[shrewd nymph]

1/3 remaining

[blissful thistle]

Remember where cornifer was in city of tears

[midnight knot]

yea

[spiral jungle]

oh ty

[blissful thistle]

Go there

[midnight knot]

k

why do all roads lead to city of tears 🥀

[blissful thistle]

And go up from the elevator to the right of where cornifer was

[midnight knot]

k

[spiral jungle]

why do all roads lead to forgotten crossraods bro

[midnight knot]

also real

[covert ice]

Why dont all roads lead to deepnest

[blissful thistle]

How what do you need crossroads for

[blissful thistle]

Digusting

[spiral jungle]

ew

why dont all roads lead to crystal peak

[midnight knot]

crystal peaks in a cave

idk

[covert ice]

Idk what yall have against deepnest fr

[blissful thistle]

Why don't all roads lead so soul sanctum

[covert ice]

What about Fog Canyon

[midnight knot]

im lit running from 50 primal aspids

as we sepeak

peak

[spiral jungle]

fog canyon is fine

[blissful thistle]

You'll be fine

[covert ice]

One great slash and they're goners

[spiral jungle]

why is pure vessel kinda scary

[blissful thistle]

It is not scary

[oak galleon]

The items

• Wanderer's journal
• Hallownest seal
• Arcane egg
• King's idol
  Are these purely sellable only right?
  Will I need them to activate anything?

[midnight knot]

i dont got that

one little hit from me

[shrewd nymph]

Just for geo

[midnight knot]

actually

one hit from them

and im FUCKED.

[blissful thistle]

Sellable only

[midnight knot]

you gotta be fucking kidding me

i was running

[oak galleon]

Finally I'm getting Permanent strength

[midnight knot]

and then got caught by those things on the roof

[blissful thistle]

Did you die

[midnight knot]

i lowk never research names

[oak galleon]

Or whatever 15k geo item

[blissful thistle]

The bellflies?

[midnight knot]

nerf primal aspid 😔

[midnight knot]

ye

[shrewd nymph]

strength yeah

[midnight knot]

going back rq

[oak galleon]

Yupp

[midnight knot]

aight

im safe

[frozen hull]

@shrewd nymph

[shrewd nymph]

@frozen hull

[midnight knot]

k

ima go to city of tears rn

hk at 1am hits different

[spiral jungle]

sk does more

[frozen hull]

Midsong

[spiral jungle]

no bro

i mean

[frozen hull]

It's mid gng

[spiral jungle]

hk is a bit better but

[midnight knot]

silksong summarized: mid bosses amazing lore