hk-discussion

[vestal cedar]

when the vocabulary of another game seeps into another

[frozen storm]

I got once to sly and beat him first try because I cheated all pantheons to unlock all bosses

[frozen storm]

That's my absrad build

[vestal cedar]

honestly use spell twister over heart

kill the enemy faster

[blissful thistle]

too late now

[ancient ravine]

cube knight i guess

[vestal cedar]

okay

[frozen storm]

Spell twister useless in pantheons, you'll mostly want to heal

Only if you're very consistent

[vestal cedar]

use longnail and sharp shadow instead of strength

[shrewd nymph]

[vestal cedar]

wdym killing is better

[shrewd nymph]

Thats certainty a take of all time

[vestal cedar]

well yeah

i guess

you can't heal easily in all fights

[frozen storm]

What's the point in killing if you're gonna die too

[blissful thistle]

how do you have 212%

[vestal cedar]

um

dodge

[ancient ravine]

it makes it easier

[frozen storm]

Easy to say

[shrewd nymph]

Catcher > twister if you heal atleast once per 5 spells or smt like that

[frozen storm]

Especially when gpz is a thing

[vestal cedar]

hey it helps in path of pain.

[ancient ravine]

112% hk + 100% silksong

[vestal cedar]

you know why? it does.

[frozen storm]

I use heart

Now I think I have 107%

[blissful thistle]

i have 110

[frozen storm]

How many percentage does colo 3 and P4 give?

[shrewd nymph]

1 each

[blissful thistle]

1 each

[blissful thistle]

how did you reply so quickly

[shrewd nymph]

🤷

[midnight flume]

I FINALLY BEAT ASCENDED PURE VESSEL

[onyx wigeon]

6-7

[frozen storm]

P5 doesn't give a percentage and I cheated P4 and I only have 110 on my save file

[frozen storm]

Gg

[shrewd nymph]

Wow ggs

[quartz cave]

gmcb

[shrewd nymph]

Gmcb

[sick heath]

Gncb

[onyx wigeon]

Gmcb

[blissful thistle]

FUCK UUMUU BRO

[zinc iris]

What's cb

[midnight flume]

i swear i wanted to bash my head into a wall

[shrewd nymph]

Depends on how you interpret it

[frozen storm]

What's gmcb

[shrewd nymph]

you learn your own meaning of it

[midnight flume]

ima try radiant pure vessel now

[onyx wigeon]

Celestial Being

https://tenor.com/view/gundam-exia-gif-23718079

[shrewd nymph]

Cornerboosters

[blissful thistle]

I HATE UUMUU

[sick heath]

Cranberry

[midnight flume]

same bro

[blissful thistle]

😭

im so cooked bro

[zinc iris]

2 mask sly let's go

[blissful thistle]

i didnt even get a hit on him 😭

[zinc iris]

If u get to his first stagger without damage u could do win

F

[idle belfry]

@sick heath tails

[onyx wigeon]

I love sharp shadow

[sick heath]

Nvm gambling sucks actually this is bullshit

[sick heath]

I love to hate sharp shadow

[kindred cliff]

dont lie

[sick heath]

Its good when I win but I am not winning

[kindred cliff]

but when you win…

[sick heath]

Then its amazing

[blissful thistle]

god tamer is a bad boss

[kindred cliff]

odd, 1 and 12, 25 or more

99% win

and red ofc

[kindred cliff]

correct

[proven torrent]

truth nuke

[blissful thistle]

the beast has 2 attacks

[onyx wigeon]

I love you

[granite hazel]

Guys im struggling at radiant gubberfly

[stone wadi]

Yay

[blissful thistle]

idk what gubberfly is but ok

[mighty flicker]

guys

im so bored

what do i play

😭

[kindred cliff]

did you do hitless radhog nail lvl 0 no charms?

[granite hazel]

I meant gruz mother

[mighty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/ohio-speed-ishowspeed-ohio-crazy-crazy-gif-13731809652063081661

[zinc iris]

Hades
Witcher 3

[mighty flicker]

too broke and its gonna break my pc

[worthy peak]

Anyradiance

[mighty flicker]

ok bet

[kindred cliff]

v 3

[blissful thistle]

ok i have 8 masks going into sly this time

[mighty flicker]

nvm wtf is this

[blissful thistle]

better than 2

[worthy peak]

Do all of them at once

[worthy peak]

What?

[kindred cliff]

easy peasy

[blissful thistle]

I DID IT

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO

P3 DONE

[proven torrent]

congrats

[worthy peak]

Well done

[proven torrent]

have fun with p4

[blissful thistle]

it shouldnt be that hard

[red marlin]

Guysss

[young lake]

gmhkmain

[worthy peak]

I found it much harder than P3 but some people say it's actually easier

[spiral burrow]

you dont need maps for 100% right

or quill

[proven torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1346559973257248789/1448129169593729146/listen.gif

[worthy peak]

Don't think so

[blissful thistle]

what struggle bosses are there

apart from pv

[red marlin]

Check this website out trust
www.slugcatgo.com

Trust

[worthy peak]

Soul tyrant white defender are both to me harder than anything in P3

[zinc iris]

Watcher knights ig

[young lake]

sends random link and expects people to check it out

[red marlin]

No fr

[blissful thistle]

nah im good at watcher knights

[red marlin]

It's hk stuff

[young lake]

wisest server known to man forreal

[red marlin]

Markoth💔

[worthy peak]

I didn't find markoth hard

[shut cape]

Hornet

[worthy peak]

This was my difficultty

[midnight flume]

i got through first phase on radiant pure vessel

[blissful thistle]

soul tyrant easy

[red marlin]

I dispise that shitstock

[proven torrent]

this server full of geniuses ❤️

[red marlin]

You mean the hornet?

[shut cape]

How to fight White4 Defender

[proven torrent]

dream nail dung defender

[worthy peak]

Should be P2 and is in P3 I think

[shut cape]

I tried but he just spoke

[zinc iris]

You need to kill all 3 dreamers

First

[red marlin]

1st Panteon the hornet 1 3rd pantheon the hornet 2

[young lake]

copying me

only one person can make fun of this server at a time smh smh

[proven torrent]

my fault ❤️‍🩹

[worthy peak]

Yeah I think hornet two should be in P2 along with uumuu as well

[zinc iris]

Oops

[worthy peak]

Marmu and nosk can move up

[young lake]

herb said slurs in main

[zinc iris]

Isn't that girl in that 18+ anime

Idk that word be banned

[red marlin]

Which is better the hornet or the silksong?

[proven torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-confused-lost-nonsense-gif-26056890

[young lake]

wow

[red marlin]

[granite hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-cell-gif-24132028

[midnight flume]

wow genius

[young lake]

@fresh isle can u pin this genius message

wait can mods even pin anymore

[red marlin]

lol.

[young lake]

idk if they made hkmain #bad

[uncut slate]

the silksong, i hate that Dumbass spider

[red marlin]

Isn't the silksong also a spider?

[uncut slate]

its a SONG

Silk SONG

[red marlin]

No

[uncut slate]

yyeah

[red marlin]

No

[ancient ravine]

guys guess what

[worthy peak]

Clearly a song. Like hornets from bee tribe

[kindred cliff]

youre the pale king????

[kindred cliff]

whats wrong with ur skin bro

[ancient ravine]

i used that skin

to add some challenge

[kindred cliff]

tuff

[granite hazel]

Btw why tf ur overcharmed

[kindred cliff]

no hiveblood😔

[ancient ravine]

to add some challenge

[midnight flume]

bro summoner build😭 ?

[ancient ravine]

lemme have mercy on myself 🤡

[kindred cliff]

shouldve used dashmaster too

[proven torrent]

evil ass charms dude

[ancient ravine]

nah it makes things easier i used it to radiant nkg and pv

[spiral burrow]

bro leave me alone pLEASE

[worthy peak]

Is this PoP or white palace cause PoP and hiveblood isn't that important

[midnight flume]

thats not challenge that torture

[worthy peak]

Or is it just general

[ancient ravine]

pop

[kindred cliff]

u capping

[ancient ravine]

🙂

[spiral burrow]

i died like an idiot

[ancient ravine]

pop

[kindred cliff]

no it doesnt lol

[worthy peak]

In PoP they give you specially made infinite soul totems so hiveblood is much less useful

[kindred cliff]

i keep dashing downwards

[obtuse portal]

I will say this time and time again, if soul warrior counts as a boss, then so should pale lurker

[spiral burrow]

steel soul will take me like 2 more runs to get right

[worthy peak]

You being bad doesn't make charm bad

Some people won't have dashing down problem

[kindred cliff]

i didnt say its a bad charm

why yall interpretating

[mighty flicker]

you went to her though

[worthy peak]

Okay sorry. Wrong word. Doesn't mean charm makes it harder

[ancient ravine]

well that's called an opinion

[shrewd nymph]

Tbf it doesnt have proper use in nkg / pv anyways

[kindred cliff]

in my experience it does

[hybrid holly]

5 masks hornet 2

I'm blind nvm

[kindred cliff]

u on keyboard?

[ancient ravine]

yes

[kindred cliff]

then yea, that problem doesnt exist on kb

[midnight flume]

im on keyboard too its good for speedrunning

[kindred cliff]

✅

[worthy peak]

But it won't if you don't accidentally dash down surely

[ancient ravine]

🙂

[kindred cliff]

and if you dont get hit no boss is hard💔✌️

[foggy sable]

wait are you talking about dashmaster being useful on nkg?

[kindred cliff]

no

[worthy peak]

Okay but the not getting hit is a much less specific problem than not dashing down

[spiral burrow]

just died to hornet 2 3 times

and i didnt bench near bc i thought id be done

[kindred cliff]

ok

[spiral burrow]

bro why is such an easy boss kicking my ass

[kindred cliff]

its not easy

[foggy sable]

oh I reread it

[worthy peak]

About whether it's a downgrade really. Or I might have been confused

[foggy sable]

dashmaster down dashes aren't really an issue

it just doesn't have much upside in any fight except a few

[kindred cliff]

when u tryna pogo for me it creates an issue

[midnight flume]

if u got enough upgardes its easy

[kindred cliff]

no shit

first time is not easy

[worthy peak]

Overconfidence I bet

It's always overconfidence

[spiral burrow]

i died 4 times

[worthy peak]

I disagree

[kindred cliff]

ok

[shrewd nymph]

Down dash with sshadow after pufferfish pogo

[spiral burrow]

wasnt this bad the first time

[foggy sable]

true true

[distant lotus]

sup

[proven torrent]

hallo

[distant lotus]

how yall doin

[wind bloom]

alright

[worthy peak]

Neutral

[distant lotus]

thats good to hear

[light snow]

shsjd

[proven torrent]

tru

[midnight flume]

ive been on radiant pure vessel for half an hour anyone got some suggestions?

[distant lotus]

charms?

[zinc iris]

Tbh that's not alot for him

30 mins

[worthy peak]

Don't get hit. (Any attacks in particular)

[midnight flume]

dashmaster quickslash steady body strength and shaman stone

[zinc iris]

Just keep practicing ascended till u can do it hitless

[distant lotus]

are u overcharmmed?

[midnight flume]

yeah

[vestal cedar]

idk about dashmaster

[zinc iris]

Yeah that's 12 charms

[lone laurel]

Keep practicing the fight. You will only win after a lot of trial and error. The Pure Vessel is, as far as i’m aware, the toughest Boss in the game. There’s no shortcuts here.

[worthy peak]

Can you not add another one notch. Like you could have dcrest (okay probably not very useful)

[quasi forge]

theres one harder

[zinc iris]

U can add dcrest and overcharm with mark of pride

[lone laurel]

How, exactly?

[distant lotus]

nkg is harder

[worthy peak]

Id definitely place in second to absrad

[quasi forge]

absrad

[lone laurel]

Nightmare King is significantly easier, as is Absolute Radiance.

[midnight flume]

i can do normal pv hitless but i keep losing to radiant pv

[shrewd nymph]

radiant pv is hard

[quasi forge]

😭

[zinc iris]

Ye he has more hp

[shrewd nymph]

that is.. a take of all time

[quasi forge]

i mean i guess its your opinion

[zinc iris]

Hot absrad take

[lone laurel]

Well, logistically, Nightmare King is generally easy to vanquish since by the time you get to him, you’ll have had to master base Grimm’s fight, meaning you already know his whole kit and will have mastered his dodge windows.

[worthy peak]

Slightly easier is reasonable. Significantly I wish I knew why you thought that. But well your opinion I guess

[zinc iris]

Especially rad abs rad

[vestal cedar]

nkg is fun with nail arts

[shrewd nymph]

nkg is easier, absrad is WAY harder

[worthy peak]

For nkg easier yeah I agree

[vestal cedar]

nkg is the easiest out of the last 3 pantheon 5 bosses

[distant lotus]

nail arts are jst kinda fun to use

[lone laurel]

Absolute Radiance is just Radiance but sped up and with one more Phase. She’s a lot more forgiving than fights like Pure Vessel, especially as she lacks Contact Damage and will only attack at range. You have a lot of breathing room and plenty of space to not get overwhelmed.

[midnight flume]

well does anyone have suggestions for charm builds?

[shrewd nymph]

strength qslash shaman sbody mop

[sick heath]

Charmless

[worthy peak]

You say sped up as if speed doesn't significantly affect difficulty

[young lake]

yeah sure bro

[midnight flume]

u want me to do pv charmless?

[worthy peak]

Anyway if absrad was too easy. Mods have you covered

[sick heath]

Yes

[young lake]

at least youre not complaining about how shes "rng"

[lone laurel]

The major threat she poses is her boosted HP compared to standard Radiance and the extra Phase at the end, making her beyond doubt the longest fight in the game, so it’s something of a war of attrition. There’s a risk of you being slowly worn down if the battle drags.

[midnight flume]

normal pv right?

[shrewd nymph]

absrad is rng or nkg is a dance

pick your poison

[sick heath]

Sure

[midnight flume]

aight ill try

[young lake]

honestly i think nkg is a dance is worse than absrad is rng

[sick heath]

Why not both😌

[shrewd nymph]

i mean absrad is heavily rng but you wont lose because of rng

[young lake]

yea

[shrewd nymph]

where have you been corn

[foggy sable]

absrad is a dance

[lone laurel]

I mean the attack variance and overlapping is tricky, but nothing I haven’t been able to handle. No combination is 100% undodgeable.

[young lake]

YEAHHH

YOURE GOATED

[shrewd nymph]

same as pv

[young lake]

bigger brain than 90% of the people who come into here

[sick heath]

Not here, i had winter break so I didn't really use discord

[shrewd nymph]

whats the 8 days left for?

[worthy peak]

Are there any PV overlaps in attacks I can't recall any

[young lake]

silksong dlc

[sick heath]

Its not left it already happened

[young lake]

oh

nvm

[shrewd nymph]

slightly with focus

but not really

[lone laurel]

Not really no. The major threat is that every single attack is high-speed and covers about 80-90% of the total arena height and width, adding in Pure Vessel’s tall Contact Hitbox.

[sick heath]

But it was canto 9 releasing for limbus company

[shrewd nymph]

google time

[quasi forge]

shade dash or jump plus pogo is enough to dodge every attack iirc
except the soul burst but thats simple

tbf i havent faced him in a while so i forget

[worthy peak]

80-90% seems like extreme exaggeration

[lone laurel]

Yeah. Main thing is trying to keep up that tempo as the Pure Vessel cealessly rips into you at all times. The thing is relentless, and offers no pauses between attacks unless Staggered or Casting its Soul Explosion.

[shrewd nymph]

i mean basic wasd and nail is enough to dodge every attack

infact you dont even need pogos

[foggy sable]

the humble jump solves most of the attacks

[quasi forge]

well, you cant exactly relax in absrad either

[shrewd nymph]

pv is very hard but ive never seen anyone say harder than absrad

[vestal cedar]

pure vessel is all about reaction

if you are too slow in reacting... YOU DIE!

[sick heath]

Most bosses are tbf

[lone laurel]

Sure you can, you have a lot of room to work with and she has no Contact Hitbox. You can pour all your focus into just evading her projectiles and go ham on the big fluffball herself.

[shrewd nymph]

fiablo jumpscare

[sweet blaze]

i mean yes in combat the boss attacks and you react to said attack

ok bye

[worthy peak]

Guys. False knight is harder than absrad.

[zinc iris]

Bye

[quasi forge]

you can do the exact same in pv and just get a slash or two in per attack

by which i mean evading attacks

[sturdy galleon]

if you really want to, you can dodge everything except pillars on pure vessel. that's one of the biggest damage payouts.

[foggy sable]

I think this whole thing is a giant skill issue and being unable to realise that maybe pv isn't harder than absrad

[lone laurel]

Main difference is Pure Vessel has a Contact Hitbox and will fight you at Melee, not to mention having a defensive Parry that punishes you if you get too aggressive. Radiance has no Melee-range defenses, so you’re free to just start swinging once you close the gap.

[shrewd nymph]

pogo the parry

[quasi forge]

this doesnt necessarily make it harder

[foggy sable]

you can be bad at a boss and acknowledge it isn't the hardest bos

[shrewd nymph]

ddark parry or shade dash it works too

[sturdy galleon]

you can hit the parry and then dash through.

[worthy peak]

Sword burst is a melee range defense iirc

[sturdy galleon]

100% consistent failsafe option.

[quasi forge]

also contact damage isnt that big of a point. false knight has it, but absrad doesnt

sure it can be annoying

[lone laurel]

Eh true but you can still evade since it only has one of two directional patterns, and the projectiles fly in a predictable arc.

[quasi forge]

but you most likely wouldnt be inside pv if he didnt have contact damage

[tawdry magnet]

false knight > abs rad confirmed

[worthy peak]

I think that contact damage in the end is just part of an attack

[midnight flume]

done

[worthy peak]

Like you can evade all of PVs melee range?

[sick heath]

G.J.

[sturdy galleon]

i think all of your problems can be solved by saving your shade dash. that trivializes almost every single pure vessel attack except the most heavily telegraphed ones.

[lone laurel]

True but easier said than done consistently, as Pure Vessel constantly, ceaselessly puts pressure on you until Staggered.

[midnight flume]

took me like five tries

[worthy peak]

Is the spawn speed of sword burst buffed in anyrad?

I can't remember

[worthy peak]

Maybe like sword burst?

[lone laurel]

I think jumping and using Pogo provides better results. Pure Vessel scarcely if ever goes airborne.

[midnight flume]

so any actual charm combos for radiant pv?

[sturdy galleon]

i believe there are more swords that spawn in the same timeframe, but im not confident.

[worthy peak]

Cause the only reason sword burst is super easy to dodge is if you are far away

[worthy peak]

I'm talking about the time for the initial burst to spawn. There are more swords definitely. Timeframe i don't know

[sturdy galleon]

i agree with that mostly. daggers is trivialized by shade dashing towards the boss as well, and that can give you quite a lot of damage.

[umbral path]

i miss ragguy i feel his presence

[lone laurel]

I mean still you have time to react. If all else fails, do a panic Descending Dark for iframes and free Damage on Radiance.

[worthy peak]

You can do that for all of PVs attacks I'm pretty certain

[umbral path]

wayward compass

[midnight flume]

bro i just did pv charmless now only wayward?

[worthy peak]

Also I find that in anyrad at least I sometimes Ddark too slow.

[umbral path]

wayward is op wdym

[worthy peak]

Mop steady strength quickslash was.ym build

[sturdy galleon]

oh, i think normal anyrad mostly removes the sword burst telegraph and sends out an extra wave of swords.

[midnight flume]

👍

[midnight flume]

ima try that

[subtle glacier]

buhbuhhuh

[worthy peak]

telegraph removal? What telegraph is there usually apart from the unremoved face raiseing

[midnight flume]

wait what is mop?

[worthy peak]

Mark of pride

[midnight flume]

oh

[worthy peak]

My build worked for me. Whether it's good I don't know

[sturdy galleon]

the swords spawning around her face is the telegraph.

[foggy sable]

choom

[sturdy galleon]

they spawn much faster and shoot out immediately.

[midnight flume]

if i can do radiant pv with this build i thank you dearly @worthy peak

[worthy peak]

Wait does their hitbox not immediately appear in normal absrad

[subtle glacier]

elden ringy

so cool

[worthy peak]

I would suggest changing it slightly to overcharm it and spend the spare notch I didn't have

[midnight flume]

i have four extra notches left

[sturdy galleon]

their hitbox doesn't instantly appear on any version of absrad, but they do gain a hitbox shortly after spawning while they're on her face.

[worthy peak]

Longnail is what I would probably overcharm with

[distant lotus]

who wants to play hkmp

[sturdy galleon]

overcharm with soul eater and use dive

[worthy peak]

Is it more immediate on anyrad then?

[upbeat gull]

i know the game suppose to be hard but i swear i can't stand the runback to boss evertime i die

[worthy peak]

Which boss

[midnight flume]

ima do qslahsh and overcharm with soul eater

[upbeat gull]

soul master

[worthy peak]

Did you get the shortcuts

[upbeat gull]

i hate doing the runback there

[worthy peak]

There are like three

[upbeat gull]

what

[sturdy galleon]

i dont believe so, but i dont know. go into the boss and, with debug mod, change the game speed to .1x and enable hitboxes, then watch her do sword bursts.

[upbeat gull]

what shortcut

this is my first run

so i am really dumb

[worthy peak]

One you get by turning left on entry to soul sanctum. One is down after the soul warrior room. And one is top of the room just before soul master

If you can't find them then I can tell more specifics

[upbeat gull]

sure let me open the game back

[midnight flume]

anyone know how to consistently dodge pv sword burst?

[foggy sable]

dash through it with shade cloak

[worthy peak]

Keep shade dash ready

[midnight flume]

👍

[worthy peak]

Or Ddark if you don't have it ready

[opal hearth]

what are the benchs in pantheon 3

also how tf do i beat oro and mato

[sturdy galleon]

there's one bench after grimm, i believe.

[shrewd nymph]

grimm > bench > galien

[midnight flume]

after grim

[shrewd nymph]

shaman stone + shade soul and ddark

[opal hearth]

oh

jus one?

[shrewd nymph]

yes

p1-4 only have 1 bench and 1 godseeker room

[sturdy galleon]

mhm. p5 has one bench after the first 10 bosses, and then every 5 bosses afterwards

[worthy peak]

I suggest staying on one side of both of them as then they attack one at a time

[opal hearth]

you mean at the edge of the arena

[worthy peak]

Just have them both at one side of you

I prefer being closer to the centre

[sturdy galleon]

being within the middle ~third of the arena is generally advisable. if you're not there, you should try to move there. this goes for most bosses.

[worthy peak]

Dash away dash back attack. Is the main loop in my experience

[opal hearth]

i've tried pogoing off of them while staying at the edge of the arena and getting height

i get oro down but get killed by cyclone slash

[worthy peak]

I wouldn't advise that. But maybe it does work

[sturdy galleon]

pogo -> dive on top of them -> dash away is good for damage and safety

[opal hearth]

alr

when do i heal tho

[sturdy galleon]

after one of them does a charged attack, the other tends to stand still. if you can stay safe from the charged attack, that's a fine spot to heal.

[worthy peak]

When mato does cyclone I think is a good time to start healing. There are probably other times but iny experience that's safest

[opal hearth]

you mean a nail art?

[sturdy galleon]

yes.

[opal hearth]

alr

[opal hearth]

wheres mark

[worthy peak]

Autocorrect

[sturdy galleon]

he means mato. mato is the one that spawns in the second phase.

[opal hearth]

yh ik

[sturdy galleon]

ah, sorry.

[crisp willow]

Hello

[worthy peak]

Hello

[sturdy galleon]

morning.

[worthy peak]

Afternoon

[crisp willow]

Nini

[autumn dawn]

hello everyone :D

[worthy peak]

Hi

[autumn dawn]

Hi how are you?

[worthy peak]

Fine :). y tu (and you)

[autumn dawn]

Im alright

[civic anchor]

guys i beat primal aspid in radiant mode

[midnight flume]

GUYS I GOT PV TO 25% AND DIED (on radiant)

[autumn dawn]

Nice you where close

if you can get that close im positive youll win soon

[midnight flume]

yeah

me too

[worthy peak]

What?!? How!!!!

[autumn dawn]

ikr?

[worthy peak]

So close....

[civic anchor]

i am god of aspids now

[worthy peak]

Ancient aspid would like a word.

:)

[civic anchor]

i already beat him

peak mod ngl

[crisp willow]

Ancient ≠ Holly

[worthy peak]

... Ancient aspid is an f tier mod iny opinion

[worthy peak]

Didn't say it did

[civic anchor]

it just hard. not bad

[worthy peak]

Also did you mean holy

[light snow]

qawsede

[crisp willow]

Autocorrect

[worthy peak]

... I disagree

[civic anchor]

k thats cool ig

[midnight flume]

guys im finally getting the hang of radiant pv

[sturdy galleon]

ancient aspid is just bad, not hard. the art and ai are very cool, but the gameplay is rather miserable.

[civic anchor]

guys im in my 2876366th zote

[worthy peak]

When. Trying an ancient aspid I used kingsoul to cheese healing on climb. Still lost and it took so long to do I gave up immediately after

[midnight flume]

everytime i try downloading mods my steam crashes

[autumn dawn]

I just don't do mods so idk what any of u are talking abt 😭

[worthy peak]

:( any idea why?

[midnight flume]

nope

[worthy peak]

You should. :) try anyradiance prime

[midnight flume]

i even tried downloading lumafly

still crashed

[autumn dawn]

nah i stick to no mods for the most part unless im doing a rando with friends

But i even refuse to use skin mods

[worthy peak]

Why is that the exception?

[midnight flume]

mods worked perfectly fine with silksong but it just keeps crashing with hk

[crisp willow]

I hate the fact that the grub skin was incomolite for so goddamm long, maybe still is idk

[worthy peak]

Uninstalling and reinstalling HK might help

[crisp willow]

Randomiser with friends is the peak of fun /o

[vocal crypt]

Made by and for masochists

[autumn dawn]

i especially do no mods on my main save never modded it once

[midnight flume]

yeah i tried that still didnt work

[sturdy galleon]

don't try anything related to anyrad. every anyrad mod is awful. play purity/eternity.

[worthy peak]

Yeah but why is it the exception to no mods

[worthy peak]

Too late.

[autumn dawn]

bc randomizers are fun and i like to play them with my friends

[worthy peak]

Yeah but like if you can mod for that. Why not skin mods?

[zinc iris]

Awful too hard or awful unfun and annoying

[shrewd nymph]

latter

[sturdy galleon]

unfun and annoying.

[crisp willow]

others mods (palecourt, bosses, ect) are meant to be single handedly beaten, but randomiser is so much so polished that it works in multiplayer perfectly fine

[worthy peak]

Also I chose prime as I hear it is the least fun one

[zinc iris]

Oh rlly

[worthy peak]

Btw

[autumn dawn]

becuase then my main save wouldnt be vanilla

[zinc iris]

It seemed super popular

[sturdy galleon]

that sounds right.

[worthy peak]

Mod your second save?

[autumn dawn]

my steel soul i dont mod either

[sturdy galleon]

people are obsessed with difficulty magnitudes more than they are with quality.

[crisp willow]

Anyrad isnt meant to be fun tho- so fair

[worthy peak]

Anyradiance 1.0 is fun imo

[zinc iris]

So what's a good mod boss for avg level player

[autumn dawn]

I could use them on my randomizers with my friends i guess

[worthy peak]

Well it's your choice. I guess. I don't have to understand it

[sturdy galleon]

try ultimatum radiance or some of the pale court bosses. i believe pale court is intended to be completed right after radiant absrad, in terms of difficulty.

[autumn dawn]

fair enough, i dont expect many people to, its just that most people that mod thier main saves get accused of cheating but i understand why people mod them

[sturdy galleon]

although their difficulty ranges quite a lot. dryya and isma are relatively easy, i think.

[crisp willow]

hegemol...

[sturdy galleon]

i found hegemol relatively difficult and not fun.

[crisp willow]

Not fun is devateable

Dofficult? YES.

[worthy peak]

I don't know why but I still haven't tried pale court

[foggy sable]

I didn't really like pale court

idk why

[fresh isle]

meow

:3

[azure viper]

Who would win

[worthy peak]

Why would you pit zote against such an opponent it's just unfair to him

We better be giving zote a size buff to human size otherwise we won't even be able to see the ant be damaged and that's just boring

[crisp willow]

Techically ants can carry/have the muscle power to lift up things 10 to 50 times their own weight- so ant easydiffs Zote, dying or not cuz one scream of an Ant atracts others. Zote is destined to lose this

[azure viper]

It seemed fair against grey prince zote the mighty

[uncut slate]

is that g

[midnight flume]

just did a refresh by doing hitless normal pv

[hidden spire]

Cro

[ashen rose]

Omg

I finally beat hk

3rd try

[hidden spire]

Yo that's nice

[verbal pasture]

It’s harder than r5ab by a good bit

[ashen rose]

First playtrough

Im at only 75% tho

Gonna use love key rq

[midnight flume]

nice

[hidden spire]

Rescue all them grubs

make sure they reach home safely

[midnight flume]

no

sont

i dont wanna spoil the game

dont do it

something bvery bad happens

[fiery trench]

do it
for 100%

[shrewd nymph]

[ashen rose]

My friend told me to do that yes

But idk how to see how many i still need

[hidden spire]

Food luck

[ashen rose]

Whait i should probably revisit the grub father

I havent been there since my second grub lmaooo

I forgot he existed

[midnight flume]

lol

[ashen rose]

Where do i use the love key again...?

I forgor

[midnight flume]

in tower of love

[ashen rose]

Is it bad i beat the hk after 30H...

[midnight flume]

nah

its ok

[ashen rose]

But wheres that

[midnight flume]

uhh

in city i think

[worthy peak]

Kingdoms edge

Near cot

[ashen rose]

Oh right

I see it i think

In border if city and edge

[worthy peak]

Huh didn't realise that was still on city map and not kingdom edge

[radiant oyster]

Hollow knight but every enemy is replaced with absolute radiance,nightmare king Grimm,pure vessel,massiive moss charger,and radiant markoth,and nk its not random,each enmy just turns into 5 different bosses for each enemy

Also no spells

[hidden spire]

Under there

[radiant oyster]

In fact no soul

[worthy peak]

No nail

[radiant oyster]

All damage is permanent,benches are gone

[ashen rose]

Im not stupid lol

[hidden spire]

:(

[radiant oyster]

Nail but it only does .1 damage

[ashen rose]

Any tips for collector?

He ate too many jumping beans

[radiant oyster]

If anyone can beat this ill give them a digital certificate of existence

[ashen rose]

Jumpy boi

[worthy peak]

Cyclone if you can't one shot the minions I suggest

[ashen rose]

I can 1-2 shot

[hidden spire]

Mhmm not really, just focus on the minions first

[ashen rose]

Im missing a pale ore

[radiant oyster]

He actaully jumps over you most of the time,just go to where he drops down and he almost always jumps over you

[ashen rose]

I do but like he keeps jumping on me

Ok lemme try again brb

Attempt #3

[radiant oyster]

Hit the jars as they drop down,then go to where he drops down. Then its easy

[distant lagoon]

i really don't wanna get that achievement.... i've spared him before but now..

[worthy peak]

Fireball :)

[hidden spire]

Awesome

[ashen rose]

Absolute cinema

Beat him 4th try

[subtle phoenix]

rip to bro

you can find his dead body somewhere

[ashen rose]

Who's that

[serene raptor]

lol

[distant lagoon]

Chat am i cooked?

[proven torrent]

ur fine

[subtle phoenix]

do you have grubsong and hiveblood

[distant lagoon]

yeah

[subtle phoenix]

ur fine

[distant lagoon]

i have every charm besides kingsoul

[quasi forge]

Don't die!

[hybrid holly]

what's the concern i don't see it

[foggy thistle]

Yo

[vestal cedar]

steel soul?

[hybrid holly]

ohh

[foggy thistle]

wait you can die forever even in a dream world ?

[hybrid holly]

it's sth like, get on the ledge long jump pogo to the right monarch wings then pogo onto the wall and continue?

[vestal cedar]

only in white palace and to radiance

NOT absolute radiance

[foggy thistle]

Oh

[hybrid holly]

what about path of pain

[vestal cedar]

path of pain is a section of white palace

yes

[foggy thistle]

Guys I need help abt path of pain

You know the section after the sliding saw that you need to pogo on spikes to avoid ?

I need help in just that

[fervent idol]

chat

[fervent idol]

yo send me a screenshot

[foggy thistle]

Ok lemme get there again

[fervent idol]

alr alr

[foggy thistle]

I will notify you when I do

[fervent idol]

tyt

[fluid sigil]

do i got this first try

[topaz beacon]

For sure

[finite ember]

p5?

[proven torrent]

100%

[fluid sigil]

im on the staircases right

now

trust ima make it

[fluid sigil]

ye

dead

[proven torrent]

u tried at least

[topaz beacon]

So close

[lofty pelican]

Lowk Hardest parts of white palace are close to par with Hardest parts of POP

[hidden spire]

cro

[fluid sigil]

ngl absolute radiance felt easier than ascended markoth

[topaz beacon]

It is

[finite ember]

if its your first try at absrad its perfectly normal to get executed

[proven torrent]

I didnt even make it past her second phase on my first try ❤️‍🩹

[finite ember]

i didnt even get past the spikes

[fluid sigil]

was ok ngl

[proven torrent]

I was like freaking out so thats probably why I died

[lofty pelican]

I didn’t even make it past her second SECOND my first try

cause PV got me to 2 masks

[proven torrent]

dont you get a heal?

[finite ember]

your hp resets

[lofty pelican]

I don’t remember that

[finite ember]

when entering absrad fight

[lofty pelican]

Could’ve swore I had 2 masks when I got to Absrad

[proven torrent]

yeah no you get healed

[lofty pelican]

Cause she killed me with the first attack iirc

[topaz beacon]

Every copy of Hollow Knight is personalized

[finite ember]

ngl absrad isnt even that hard now

[proven torrent]

I still struggle a bit

not as much as I used too but still find her someone challenging

[finite ember]

after beating radkoth

[fluid sigil]

markoth ascended took me 2 hours

[lofty pelican]

this happened to me once

[proud haven]

Nuh uh

[fluid sigil]

id cry 🙏

[finite ember]

radiant markoth took me 10 hours and a damaged fist from raging

[vestal cedar]

oh my zod

[finite ember]

and took my sanity

[vestal cedar]

is shade soul not recommended to use here

[topaz beacon]

Imagine that on radiant

[lofty pelican]

don’t worry it was a practice run of just Absrad

[proven torrent]

I would actually quit

[finite ember]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-flea-awoo-absolute-cinema-absolute-awoo-gif-13929526023089152064

what the hell

[lofty pelican]

It’s so weird that it’s a canon event to get to the last phase of Absrad with 1-2 masks

[finite ember]

sadly that happened to me, i got to last phase rad absrad and i got sniped🥀

[fluid sigil]

absrad on radiant

[lofty pelican]

Or if you get there with multiple mask you lose brain cells and take like 3 hits instantly

[finite ember]

yes

[lofty pelican]

Absolutely Radiant

I used to think Absrad was on Radiant automatically cause the name implies it

[finite ember]

i used to think zote was the knights father

[proven torrent]

thats certainly a thought

[topaz beacon]

Wait a minute

[finite ember]

i mean they look similar

and zote is older

looks older*

[lofty pelican]

i used to think Zote was so imperfect of a vessel he repelled the void and ended up in Vengefly King’s mouth

[topaz beacon]

He is

[proven torrent]

❓

[wise dew]

Is there a way to kill a boulder with howling wraiths

[lofty pelican]

Ok chat after further review the first time I got to Absrad I actually did get to the second phase but that’s when I had 2 masks so I died to the first attack there which was those stupid laser beams

And my way of saying “2nd phase” is the platforms

Absrad has 3.5 phases

[finite ember]

that attack is the worst part of absrad, but once you learn it its easy to dodge

[finite ember]

6

[earnest apex]

Goblin

[quasi forge]

imo 5

[fluid sigil]

4

[proven torrent]

6 sounds right

[tough blade]

5

[earnest apex]

4

[proven torrent]

do it legitimately

[topaz beacon]

In my opinion she has 13 phases personally.

[lofty pelican]

1 phase is ground
2 phase is platforms
3 + 3.5 is platforming up to Rad and the balls in your face at the end

[quasi forge]

first phase, sword rain only, platforms, climb, last one

[quasi forge]

surely we did not need imo + personally

[stone yew]

IS IT ME or this boss was very easy

[quasi forge]

yeah hes not very hard

[topaz beacon]

How else would we know to take it personally? 😕

[lofty pelican]

Probably not just you but I definitely disagree

[graceful storm]

I want to cuz rn I've been living in shame

[lofty pelican]

White Defender kicks my ahh

[stone yew]

I did it first try and i have just spammed 😭

[lofty pelican]

and you can fight him over and over again

[proven torrent]

he's one of the easiest dream bosses imo

so no not just you

[quasi forge]

take what personally

[stone yew]

also is it me or silksong bosses are harder than hk

like in hk u can win by pure luck by spamming

[proud haven]

Compared to 75% of the game he's hard but like 9 bosses (maybe) might be tougher ig
Idk why our scale is so high up the ladder tho
He's OBJECTIVELY harder than most of the bosses in the game fr

[stone yew]

while in silskong u cant

[proven torrent]

we'll see when dlcs come out

[proud haven]

U can't beat absrad by doing that bro

[lofty pelican]

Hardest:
White Defender
Soul Tyrant
Failed Champion
Lost Kin
Easiest

[proven torrent]

also thats just not true lol

[fluid sigil]

i can

[shrewd nymph]

hes pretty hard, you just played it really well ig

[fluid sigil]

trust

[stone yew]

bro how is white defender the hardest 😭

[finite ember]

absrad has 6 phases: the no spikes phase, spikes phase, swords falling phase, platform phase, climb phase and the pogo phase

[proud haven]

Dw I trust u
Was saying the other dude couldn't

[lofty pelican]

He has fast attacks and a longer range than expected when throwing his balls, and his slams with the huge spikes trips me up if I’m in his face

Also NO stuns

[finite ember]

most annyoing boss ever

[stone yew]

dawg when he throw a balls just spam attack him and when huge spikes come just heal 😭

[lofty pelican]

Yeah but he still hits me whenever I try to spam attack him while he’s throwing balls and then I try to heal and a ball snipes me

[vernal knot]

What are yall discussing

[lofty pelican]

White Defender can suck dung

[stone yew]

I say that white defender is easy he says its hard

[fluid sigil]

guys how do i dodge abs rad balls in the phase with the plaforms

[quasi forge]

you can pop a heal in white defender whenever and it will go though majority of the time

[vernal knot]

[quasi forge]

just stand in corner

[vernal knot]

I'd say they're the third hardest dream boss

[quasi forge]

charizard!!!

[stone yew]

what is top 3

[vivid creek]

Do you mean phase 4 or final phasse?

[fluid sigil]

not final

[graceful storm]

-# He plays with it

[finite ember]

ddark

[vernal knot]

Hard to easy list:
GPZ
Soul Tyrant
White Defender
Lost Kin
Failed Champion

[finite ember]

when youre overwhelmed, ddark

[vernal knot]

Mind you I'd only say GPZ Is "Hard" on this list

[fluid sigil]

failed champion on the bottom is crazy

[vivid creek]

Either ddark or stand on the bottom middle plat and bait them into the adjascent plats

[vernal knot]

all other bosses are pretty easy

[fluid sigil]

alr thx

[vernal knot]

It's literally just false knight but faster

[vernal knot]

Hello Chuck

It is I

Mega The Kindly

[quasi forge]

hey you didnt ignore me this time

[foggy thistle]

That is a fact, dear comrade

[quasi forge]

!!

[finite ember]

you forgot this

[shrewd nymph]

gets cheesed by shriek

[topaz beacon]

Where would u have him?

[vernal knot]

No?

[vivid creek]

Hey lune

[vernal knot]

I'd say Absrad doesn't count

[quasi forge]

cheesed in general

[crisp willow]

White defender is only hard after the fourth fight /o

And im curious why would u say failed champ is easier than Tyrant :}

[shrewd nymph]

hii terra hru

[finite ember]

its zoterad

[fluid sigil]

GPZ
Failed Champion
White Defender
Soul Tyrant
Lost Kin

[vernal knot]

But if you want to count Godhome's exclusives because technically they are int he dream realm

[vivid creek]

Good, hbu?

[lofty pelican]

GRUBBERFLY’S ELEGY

[foggy thistle]

Hello

[shrewd nymph]

good, beat anyrad and am working on improving the clear

[lofty pelican]

Failed Champion is a JOKE when you use Grubfly’s Elegy

• Quick Slash

[foggy thistle]

I didn't have it

[lofty pelican]

• MoP

[proven torrent]

charm is still buns though 💔

[lofty pelican]

Well yeah then he’s considerably harder

[finite ember]

what if you get hit

[vernal knot]

Failed Chmapion is a joke in general

[vivid creek]

Elegy is redundant if you have mop

[lofty pelican]

Lowk he ain’t even that bad with the other charms you would have equipped

[vernal knot]

Not wrong

[foggy thistle]

I used what I like to call
The Stinky Build ™

[crisp willow]

Shaman strenght?

[lofty pelican]

Then use Dream Weilder and get extra soul by dream him when he’s stunned

[vivid creek]

You already get infinite soul on every stagger

[vernal knot]

That's a nice build

[crisp willow]

Thats a boring build

[lofty pelican]

No he can get up without taking damage

[crisp willow]

Meta is boring

[proven torrent]

Just smack his armor

[vernal knot]

I like Strength + Shaman + Spell Twister + Quickslash

[proven torrent]

resets the timer

[vivid creek]

Reset the timer by smacking his shell without hitting the head

[lofty pelican]

oh

[vernal knot]

I understand

[lofty pelican]

didn’t know that

[topaz beacon]

Stinky build more like

[fluid sigil]

no range

[proven torrent]

only way I beat him ngl

[shrewd nymph]

move closer

[foggy thistle]

No , like you literally become stinky when you use it
Defender's crest, glowing womb, weaversong, grub song, spore shroom, shape of Unn and if you want to be REALLY STINKY the you add flukenest charm

[graceful storm]

Is using invincibility glitch ok?

[crisp willow]

No?

[vivid creek]

Yea
If he's in a corner just pogo the armour btw
Every stagger gives you full health + soul, then you can do 3 shrieks into some nail spam to chain staggers

[vernal knot]

And?

[shrewd nymph]

suit yourself but dont go bragging and claiming you didnt ig

[distant lagoon]

it ruins the fun my guy

[finite ember]

yess, another rad absrad attempt, another ddark into the void

[knotty ravine]

why not sshadow downdash into void

[fiery trench]

My favorite HK quirk

[topaz beacon]

Its a singleplayer game so do what u like

[vernal knot]

Hornet

[finite ember]

its the 3rd time today i ddarked into the void

[shrewd nymph]

never seen that before lol

[vernal knot]

24 fucking seconds for the good part

Duolingo surely you could've edited this

[vivid creek]

High-quality anyrad clear ❌
Anyrad 2.0 clear ✅
Jk tho, ggs :p

[finite ember]

i think you can parry that with ddark too

[fiery trench]

possibly, but I'm aiming for Mato kill with just cdash parry

[knotty ravine]

anybad ☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️PLEASE god just do purity

[finite ember]

this seems really fun

[knotty ravine]

rot save these people

[crisp willow]

Nitro no more </3

[shrewd nymph]

i dont hate myself, sorry

[vivid creek]

Doubt

[crisp willow]

lol

[shrewd nymph]

i needed the qualifications to say its shit

[vivid creek]

Anyone who's done r5 and anyrad hates themself at least a little bit

[knotty ravine]

I see

[topaz beacon]

Where'd ur nitro go?

[shrewd nymph]

no comment

[vernal knot]

lune haven't you done it a gazillion times

how much do you hate yourself

[crisp willow]

I dun think lune runs R5

[zinc iris]

He has

[vernal knot]

They've told me they have done it

[vivid creek]

Lune beat it a few days ago

[zinc iris]

A few days ago

[vernal knot]

I know lune, you don't

don't you ever try and fucking correct me again Grubmother

[shrewd nymph]

ive done r5 once, f5 once.. i LOVE myself ( )

[vernal knot]

Lies

[shrewd nymph]

no lies anywhere

[zinc iris]

Sure

[crisp willow]

Who even are you

[vernal knot]

What's F5

[finite ember]

whats f5

[shrewd nymph]

fury r5

[bleak yarrow]

furry?

[shrewd nymph]

boom two birds one stone

[vernal knot]

Oooh fury 5

[vernal knot]

Wow

Okay

[crisp willow]

?

[vernal knot]

I guess I'm not important enough to be remembered

[crisp willow]

OH WAIY

You are

[vernal knot]

I see how it is

[crisp willow]

Green

Power rangwr person

[bleak yarrow]

guys stop ignoring me before I tickle ur balls

[vernal knot]

If your colorblind I suppose I'm green

[vivid creek]

How fast do the bosses melt in f5 btw
Seems like fun

Might be a nice break from reg r5 attempts

[crisp willow]

U were green before

In my memory base you are still green

[vernal knot]

Ye

[crisp willow]

Hi.

[bleak yarrow]

I see how it is

[vernal knot]

Hello grubmother

[shrewd nymph]

its on my yt if you're curious, although i was notably worse then.
alot of bosses just.. basically dont exist in the run? they get absolutely shredded

[bleak yarrow]

you want Ur balls tickled huh

[vernal knot]

Did you get the kids back yet

[vernal knot]

ew

[shrewd nymph]

i look in this chat for ONE SECOND

[stone yew]

Whats the best way to get 15k geos?

[vernal knot]

Do you need to be this weird

[vivid creek]

I might do that then

[vernal knot]

It's not even funny It's just creepy

[crisp willow]

colos

[stone yew]

which trial though

[vernal knot]

That one farming spot for 36kGeo Per Hour

[bleak yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-idk-this-person-questioning-random-person-this-who-gif-5295285761881556675

[shrewd nymph]

hoppers in kedge, colo 2, failed tramway

[vivid creek]

Tho since I'm doing it unmodded I'll just take my hits to activate fury after vfk dies

[crisp willow]

Second one is more consistent- u may also wanna go to deepnest's dead tram way, or go around for relics a bit

[bleak yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bbq-random-gif-12683133881912656509

@vernal knot

[shrewd nymph]

lemme show you a fury vfk rq 👀

[cursive geyser]

wax up bro no weirdness in hk discussion

[vernal knot]

What's' your obessesion with VFK

[crisp willow]

Whats VFK

[shrewd nymph]

really satisfying with full gear

[shrewd nymph]

vengefly king

[crisp willow]

oh

fun with abyys RAAAAGH

[vernal knot]

Why not Gruz Mothr

[cursive geyser]

vengefly king the most non boss boss in the game i swear

[vivid creek]

mmc & soul warrior

[stone yew]

Imo lore hk> sk
gameplay sk> hk

[fluid sigil]

no its hard in the beginning tbh

[shrewd nymph]

vfk just becomes attuned if you do it this way

[fluid sigil]

its the first time u use pogo in a fight and hes got health too

[vernal knot]

'd honestly say SK's lore is a little better than HK's

[vivid creek]

Lol
Rip vfk

[vernal knot]

I'd honestly say Silksong is juat an updrage overall to all of Hollow Knight

[cursive geyser]

HK ran so SK could fly 🗣️

[crisp willow]

NO SK TALK HERE

Grr

[cursive geyser]

furry

[vernal knot]

||Hornet||

[bleak yarrow]

hollow kok

[shrewd nymph]

the build for F5 is strength qslash mop sbody nmg fury iirc

[cursive geyser]

what the fuck did bro mean by this

[vivid creek]

The missed pogo is -5 aura tho

[cursive geyser]

L

[bleak yarrow]

idk I couldn't think of anything weird that could stand for hk

[zinc iris]

F

[shrewd nymph]

better?

[vivid creek]

Yessir 👍

[zinc iris]

How did u kill so fast

[shrewd nymph]

fury

[fluid sigil]

you hit fast

[zinc iris]

Oh fury

[shrewd nymph]

that one is actually pretty bad because theres no side m1s used but it does the job

[cursive geyser]

wrap it up, no more weird available

[shrewd nymph]

im not good at nail only vfk so my non fury is basically shriek spam

[zinc iris]

How much does fury plus strength do?

[shrewd nymph]

55 iirc

[cursive geyser]

at least 3

[shrewd nymph]

give or take like 2

[cursive geyser]

damn thats a lot

[stone yew]

. . .

[cursive geyser]

skill issue honestly

[stone yew]

context?

[fluid sigil]

dont worry

[quasi forge]

it seems he died

[fluid sigil]

fighting brooding mawlek in ascended will bring him back

[quasi forge]

surely you dont want further spoilers

[stone yew]

what

[shrewd nymph]

more than a great / dash slash 😭

[stone yew]

bro i completed the game

😭

[fluid sigil]

go to godhome

[quasi forge]

well he died from colo then

[stone yew]

Why

[quasi forge]

yay

[ashen rose]

These grubs theyre with so many 🥲

[stone yew]

Im grinding for unbreakable strenght rn

( coloseum)

[cursive geyser]

them two plus quickslash would be a nasty combo for a hitless no spell run