hk-discussion

[sturdy galleon]

yes.

[ancient ravine]

ok ty

[quasi forge]

will take 3 attempts max

[shrewd nymph]

Im a shriek abuser on vfk though

[quasi forge]

since youre too good

[opal hearth]

is there a mod that puts absolute or just regular radiance in path of pain

[quasi forge]

#modding-discussion id assume

[opal hearth]

alr

[cursive geyser]

such masochism wasnt intended by the powers above </3

[subtle glacier]

another 5 hit

man

[ancient ravine]

heheh

[subtle glacier]

where is my pbage

peebeeage

[sturdy galleon]

what are you doing?

[subtle glacier]

attempts at hitless all skills

it is so doable its just like

a long time to not get hit

pb is 3 and i had a 1 hit deep into late game but the thing happened where you get hit so you get rattled and get hit like a million more times immediately after

[sturdy galleon]

yeah, that's a frequent problem in every hard run.

[subtle glacier]

mhm

[sturdy galleon]

8

[subtle glacier]

my other hitless run had a lot of spiraling at thk

[sturdy galleon]

what do you mean?

[subtle glacier]

i would get hitless to black egg and then end with like a 3 hit or smth

[sturdy galleon]

oh, thats incredibly demotivating.

[subtle glacier]

you get one bad goop and then you're trying to balance crashing out and finishing the run

lemme see if i can find the clip

[cedar bane]

Guys how do I defeat orange blob animal

[sturdy galleon]

i didnt know thk could do that.

[subtle glacier]

yeah if he decides on fountain he will literally spawn on top of you :D

[sturdy galleon]

at the end of a hitless run? that must feel awful.

[lone oracle]

@mild sorrel took a break and did this first try afterward

https://youtu.be/FZbAqmjc_UA?si=jN-M6q4S34IidLcz

radiant soon

[subtle glacier]

just gotta know to avoid the middle of the arena at the hp thresholds

i hated watching that clip so much but its funny now that i got the run i was going for

[mild sorrel]

Bazinga 🔥
Have you done p5ab on mobile btw?

[lone oracle]

yeah but that was a year ago
im washed now so I can't pull that off anymore

[mild sorrel]

ah ok 👍
I was just wondering why you were struggling with charmless grimm.

[subtle glacier]

unbheart enjoyer spotted

[mild sorrel]

Why do you count the masks 💔

[subtle glacier]

it's like counting the fingers on ai generated shit

[lone oracle]

also im laggy

[lone oracle]

i love unbheart

my favorite charm build is heart,qslash,strength,mop

[south herald]

I DID IT

[mild sorrel]

also old bonetale videos spotted omg yay

[shrewd nymph]

gg

[proven torrent]

second best unbreakable charm

[lone oracle]

oh god

you found my

bonetale videos

[proven torrent]

congrats!

[south herald]

gg

[lone oracle]

ignore the 110k views

[south herald]

ty!

[ancient ravine]

same

[south herald]

damnn

[lone oracle]

my old videos genuinely suck idk why they got so many views

[mild sorrel]

I didn't play it much cuz i suck with most of the characters but W

[subtle glacier]

for overworld i think heart might be better than strength
but for godhome yeah

[south herald]

good thing i record this moment i will upload it

[proven torrent]

yeah for just exploring heart is better

[mild sorrel]

I can relate i used to do the "day 35 of doing this random boss" for like 5 other bosses 💔

[thick heart]

BRUH

[mild sorrel]

i'd genuinely delete them but there's too much

[thick heart]

they terminated my alt discord account

[subtle glacier]

i mean

[south herald]

[subtle glacier]

you were spamming

[proven torrent]

what could've you possibly done

[alpine ibex]

fucking telefragging, i hate that

[thick heart]

i didnt do anything wrong and they terminated my discord account.

[subtle glacier]

i saw you spam literally earlier today

[vivid creek]

SoB telefrag 💀

[shrewd nymph]

pv telefrag

[quasi forge]

'you broke the rules for spam'

[vivid creek]

[proven torrent]

yeaah discord doesn't terminate for no reason

u did something lol

[alpine ibex]

SoB is atleast predictable, PV will get you like a fucker

[lone oracle]

i do not deserve all this

[shrewd nymph]

Contact support if you think that

[thick heart]

they terminated my discord account that i planned to be my new main account.

[shrewd nymph]

Pv is preventable atleast

[vivid creek]

The joke is that PV telefrag will basically never happen if you play properly

[mild sorrel]

Holy-

[alpine ibex]

true

[proven torrent]

sorry to hear ?

[shrewd nymph]

technically pv telefrag is reactable

[proven torrent]

shouldn't have spammed ig

[lone oracle]

like i put a lot of effort into this video but it ended up FLAWED because the last bit of the video died

[fresh isle]

ut fangames get so many views

[carmine lava]

what is pv telefrag

[subtle glacier]

ig pillars while you're high in the air?

but just don't be high in the air true

[shrewd nymph]

If he naturally wakes from stagger in phase 2/3 then he can insta focus in the dead middle without checking if ur there

its a bug

[vivid creek]

Basically you've gotta ignore him after he staggers, lol

[mild sorrel]

@vivid creek marmu is a boss that even the game doesn't understand the way it works

[vivid creek]

And be in the middle

[subtle glacier]

lune game knowledge maxxing

[shrewd nymph]

Limited to pv but we ignore that

just dont ask me anything overworld

[quasi forge]

or hit him if its natural

[thick heart]

bruh i made this account less then a month ago and POOF terminated

[mild sorrel]

Guys ever heard of edgeedge lost edge sans

[subtle glacier]

how many hits does it take to break the kp door please they're holding my family hostage

[vivid creek]

5?

[shrewd nymph]

Um

[proven torrent]

well clearly you did something to get banned

[vivid creek]

10?

[shrewd nymph]

3?

Its like 3, give or take 3

[thick heart]

stupid discord how am i suppose to use discord on that account now.

[vivid creek]

30 👍

[subtle glacier]

closest was 10

[shrewd nymph]

[fresh isle]

a year and a half ago i woulsve been able to tell u this

[proven torrent]

you dont, thats kinda the point of being banned

[fresh isle]

uhh like 13?

[quasi forge]

wasnt it 13 or smth

[young lake]

eloki.

[shrewd nymph]

choom, im sorry ur family MIGHT be cooked

[mild sorrel]

11

[fresh isle]

hi virtualfisher

[solar light]

is it just me or do sisters of battle slightly angle their down charges towards you?

[tribal tartan]

Got the hunders journal after 105%

[young lake]

can i get you fired

[mild sorrel]

hah iam smart

[fresh isle]

why

[subtle glacier]

wait is it 13 i lied

[young lake]

for fishing in my dms

[fresh isle]

YESSS

[subtle glacier]

i count 1234 1234 12345

[quasi forge]

easy

[thick heart]

BRUH.

[subtle glacier]

so i think its 13

[mild sorrel]

funk you >:(

[young lake]

can i report you for spam actually

[fresh isle]

whats wrong with it

[shrewd nymph]

Since when is it that many hits

[subtle glacier]

2017

[shrewd nymph]

.. good point

[wind garnet]

omw to fish in elokis dms

[shrewd nymph]

But i swear it was like 3

[subtle glacier]

how many hits to kill a dreamer

[vivid creek]

Anyone who can't answer how many hits kp door takes gets their family teleported directly into hk bingy

[shrewd nymph]

real suscat appearance

[quasi forge]

surely also 13

[shrewd nymph]

???

[quasi forge]

maybe more

[thick heart]

can you please help me unterminate my discord account

[shrewd nymph]

Wdym hits

[subtle glacier]

dreamers are hit based

like kp door

[young lake]

why is this guy STILL complaining about his account

[wind garnet]

bro im making a pv speedrun guide

[shrewd nymph]

Dont u just dnail then

[wind garnet]

[subtle glacier]

once you're inside the dream you fuck em up

[wind garnet]

ts is so ass

[vivid creek]

QoL user spotted

[subtle glacier]

then you have to focus

[shrewd nymph]

Goodluck 😭

[shrewd nymph]

Its just been so long man

[proven torrent]

literally like

[shrewd nymph]

i forgot abt that bit

[proven torrent]

what r we supposed to do

[fresh isle]

no im eating a sanwich

[quasi forge]

then youre in a dream and you slap them

[shrewd nymph]

I lowk forget who the dreamers are

[quasi forge]

perhaps leave godhome

[thick heart]

but discord terminated me for no reason at all 😭.

[shrewd nymph]

I just remember the one in the tube

[lone oracle]

LIKE TS IS SO BUNZZZZZ
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxnxk9Avr8quEIT4MX1FkDJW-SuPt29AbK?si=Ly51cQw1eb_u_m2a

[vivid creek]

Lurien x3

[shrewd nymph]

[fresh isle]

10

[young lake]

we work for discord support yes yes

[lone oracle]

@mild sorrel 😭

[proven torrent]

[fresh isle]

i remember this from minimum nail swings

[shrewd nymph]

💀

[subtle glacier]

how many hits to break a breakable wall

[fresh isle]

its optimal to skip dreamers and do godhome bc its 30 swings otherwise

[young lake]

4

[quasi forge]

3?

4

[young lake]

truist i know this

[shrewd nymph]

Lemme imagine the audio

[fresh isle]

uhh 4?

fuck idk

[young lake]

im crazy

[shrewd nymph]

Crack crack crack c

5

3

[quasi forge]

wait maybe 5 yeah

[fresh isle]

genuinely not sure

[subtle glacier]

its 4

[young lake]

my 500h of absrad paid off

[thick heart]

I made a lot of friends on that account 😭.

[shrewd nymph]

Its so wraps

[young lake]

i now have door knowledge

[shrewd nymph]

Wait theres a breakable walk in godhome i shouldve known that

Smh

[vivid creek]

Choom should have his own overworld triva channel he can curate questions for 👍

[zealous geode]

why does white defender get stronger as you retry it

[proven torrent]

okay bro we get it you got banned

[lone oracle]

its like GPZ

[proven torrent]

for fun

[subtle glacier]

truuuuue eloki should give me a soapbox

[zealous geode]

white defender just grows abs and bloody muscles

[subtle glacier]

what is the maximum amount of essence you can get from dream warriors alone

[shrewd nymph]

1100

No?

[tough blade]

12

[fresh isle]

lemme think

[lone oracle]

dream warriors or dream variants

[subtle glacier]

warriors

[proven torrent]

like 7 I think

[lone oracle]

1.1k-1.2k for dream warriors

[subtle glacier]

at the graves

[lone oracle]

1.6k for dream variants

[thick heart]

how do i use discord now if they terminated my ACCOUNT.

[zinc iris]

Make an appeal

[vivid creek]

Ngl I remember xero is 100 essence and that's it

[bold turret]

idk, duping xero 27 times is funnier

[proven torrent]

this some low level attention bait son

[zinc iris]

Or use this account

[wind garnet]

eloki you got some real patience

[subtle glacier]

1100 is the closest guess
but 7 is also pretty close

[wind garnet]

i wouldve muted this mf and that one other weird guy

[mild sorrel]

The fucking flips 😭

[lone oracle]

except

i would be

in all his chats

[fresh isle]

1150?

[uncut slate]

Not just You.

[lone oracle]

ts so cringe i might just private it

[subtle glacier]

colder

[fresh isle]

1050
idk i cant remember essence counts

[subtle glacier]

xero 100
elder hu 100
gorb 100
marmu 150
no eyes 200
galien 200
markoth 250

[knotty ravine]

im putting out 970 for fun

[subtle glacier]

but its not 1100

[mild sorrel]

Please do iam sorry gng but ts needs to be buried

[lone oracle]

my ONLY redeeming factor back then was that i did everything by hand

[shrewd nymph]

I swear it was 1100 i was so confident

[thick heart]

can you do anything about discord platform bans.

[quartz cave]

@shrewd nymph

[shrewd nymph]

@quartz cave gmcb

[fresh isle]

are you including like spirits glade or some shit

[subtle glacier]

nope

[lone oracle]

what

how can it not be 1.1k

[fresh isle]

no

[lone oracle]

if it totala 1.1k

[proven torrent]

mate theyre a server mod not a discord mod i dont think they can help u

[lone oracle]

attention bait

ignore

[shrewd nymph]

1107?

[lone oracle]

either that or they're underaged

[proven torrent]

maybe both

[lone oracle]

what

[subtle glacier]

this guy gets it

[fresh isle]

what is the 7 from

[shrewd nymph]

omg best overworld player right here

[vivid creek]

Where does the 7 come from?

[lone oracle]

yeah good question

[mild sorrel]

I will be honest i 100% can't do something like that but god damn it's hard to look at srry 💔

[lone oracle]

where is the 7 from

[shrewd nymph]

1 essence chance from killing an enemy

[vivid creek]

Oooh

[shrewd nymph]

7 dream warriors

[fresh isle]

oh so true

[median bane]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-hornet-gif-5708028392904615756

[thick heart]

beans but i had a lot of friends on that account BRUH.

[subtle glacier]

i stole that bit from moch, it's one of his old puzzles

[lone oracle]

bro think he's The Silksong

[proven torrent]

I do not care ❤️‍🩹

[zinc iris]

Make an appeal

[vivid creek]

What are the odds of that happening on all 7

[ashen ginkgo]

@fresh isle hi cool eloki person

[thick heart]

i already did make a appeal.

[lone oracle]

then wait

[zinc iris]

Also complaining in hk discussion won't help

[shrewd nymph]

Im happy that i got the 1100 right away though

[fresh isle]

hi norbert

[lone oracle]

impatient boy

[zinc iris]

Hmm

[bold turret]

between 300^7 and 50^7

[uncut slate]

if she isn't the Silksong then Who is

[shrewd nymph]

Depends on dreamgate usage iirc

[vivid creek]

Ah, just based on maxing dreamgate or not?

[mild sorrel]

I am

[fresh isle]

i got 1100 after recolllecting essence but then assumed it was wrong bc 1100 was already guessed

[lone oracle]

ME

[vivid creek]

Ah yea

[lone oracle]

I am the SILKSONG

[subtle glacier]

does dgate increase drop chance as well?

[shrewd nymph]

Yes

[mild sorrel]

no i am

[subtle glacier]

i know wielder takes it from 1/300 to 1/200

[fresh isle]

yea

[shrewd nymph]

Its 5x more likely iirc

[subtle glacier]

[lone oracle]

yes

[uncut slate]

then i am The Hollow knight

[subtle glacier]

lowte ball knowledge

[rotund summit]

hi guys does some one have a 112% save data to seen it to me

[bold turret]

i didn't mention dreamwielder that gets it down from 1/300 to 1/200 because of dreamgate tho

[lone oracle]

yeah ok

one min

[shrewd nymph]

Its like if you have spent more essence on dgate than you've gotten from the random enemy drop

[proven torrent]

its more fun to get it yourself 💔

[lone oracle]

this should be it

[rotund summit]

ok bro tysm

[lone oracle]

maybe they're testing something

[proven torrent]

I guess yeah

[vivid creek]

Do they not stack?

[bold turret]

no, they don't iirc

[shrewd nymph]

They do i thought

[vivid creek]

Oh, cool
Ty

[shrewd nymph]

I thought they stacked weirdly

[lone oracle]

btw

[rotund summit]

i get it but my pc get hacked and i lose everything

[lone oracle]

rename the file number to 2-4 depending on what file you have empty

[proven torrent]

sorry to hear

[bold turret]

and dreamgate only increases it for the first essence drop after dreamgate

[lone oracle]

otherwise it'll overwrite the previous one

[lone oracle]

that's sad

[rotund summit]

ty bro you got me

[lone oracle]

should i go for charmless dashless NKG or charmless radiant NKG first

[bold turret]

i wonder if you could get the 1/50 chance to apply several times by killing more than one enemy on the same frame

[subtle glacier]

radiant

[vivid creek]

irab nkg

[lone oracle]

aight

[proven torrent]

radiant is more fun

[subtle glacier]

dashless nkg isn't all that fun

you have like the one silly bat dodge

[shrewd nymph]

pogo uppercut

[subtle glacier]

i do that normally

[mild sorrel]

Radiant all bindings

[shrewd nymph]

Great slash + 2 hit shriek

[knotty ravine]

ok but yeah that’s because you’re fighting nkg did you expect something different

[subtle glacier]

excellent point

[vivid creek]

nk g-tier

[shrewd nymph]

But pillars is satisfying

[vivid creek]

True
Also pogo pufferfish strats

[fresh isle]

dashless white defender ❤️

[shrewd nymph]

Nightmare and void reference im home

[wind garnet]

thx eloki

[subtle glacier]

irab white defender strats

i love standing in between spikes

[shrewd nymph]

irab markoth when

[fresh isle]

irad white defender is so fun

[wind garnet]

@loud sparrow

[fresh isle]

never

[thick heart]

beans i wish discord never banned my ALT.

[proven torrent]

can you leave me alone please

[subtle glacier]

yeah honestly

[wind garnet]

eloki

its time

[shrewd nymph]

is irab markoth or irab tyrant (without rng manip) harder

[finite ember]

do p5 irab

[shrewd nymph]

Or is that just a bad comparison

[proven torrent]

evaporate this guy please and thank you

[fresh isle]

stop complaining about this here

[wind garnet]

[subtle glacier]

words of deaffirmation

[median bane]

tell em

[vivid creek]

Just check out the teano vid

[shrewd nymph]

Why do i feel like i know who this guys alt was

[wind garnet]

i dont think te ano did irab koth

[shrewd nymph]

no one has done it iirc

Only one thats possible yet hasnt been done

[quartz cave]

gncb

[wind garnet]

collector before markoth is crazy

[fresh isle]

no ones done it its like even worse than it sounds

[quartz cave]

@fresh isle @wind garnet @vivid creek @subtle glacier

[shrewd nymph]

I dont even know why its that bad tbh

[subtle hull]

hello

[vivid creek]

Oh wait
Yeah I'm a big stupid

Irab p5 isn't even possible
It was iabp5, that's still nuts tho

[shrewd nymph]

I just know it is

[fresh isle]

not really

[finite ember]

what is a marmu?

[vivid creek]

Hey osbald

[vernal knot]

Dead

[fresh isle]

markoths a lot worse imo

[median bane]

gasps MARMUUUU

[finite ember]

patamas geo

[wind garnet]

it sounds so boring

[vivid creek]

@shrewd nymph your time to shine

[shrewd nymph]

[fresh isle]

so true

[shrewd nymph]

I celebrated rab markoth 💔

[wind garnet]

ruh roh

[finite ember]

how do yall even get so good

[median bane]

Ahhh bapanada

[vivid creek]

Teano

[wind garnet]

te ano im finally doing ipvab pogoless

ts is so ahh

[shrewd nymph]

how is that even possible 😭

[wind garnet]

kinda fun tho

[wind garnet]

apple smh

it is pretty cool

[lone oracle]

@mild sorrel This is why I can't record shit bro

I died a couple seconds after this happened

[wind garnet]

im just putting in a bit of time and eventually ill hard grind it

[lone oracle]

"For you!" ahh NKG

[finite ember]

dude.

[alpine ibex]

What, how the hell is there a gap

[lone oracle]

My lag unironically carrying

[tired mountain]

Wtf are these hitboxes bro

[lone oracle]

Yeah good question

[mild sorrel]

What do you have vsync on

[lone oracle]

No

[spiral jungle]

i met someone on our school groupchat and hes flexing to everybody that he did the mantis lords in 23 tries😭 idk if he plays gd or not but he should just sybau at this point

[lone oracle]

I do not

I dislike VSync

it makes my game lag

[vivid creek]

If a modded nkg were to move fast enough during his dashes could the player squeeze between the fire trail hitboxes like anyrad 2.0 lightwalls?

[mild sorrel]

You should try that it made the game way smoother for me and actually made recording bearable

[quartz cave]

@mild sorrel

[wind garnet]

send him this and say you did it

[mild sorrel]

@quartz cave yes

[lone oracle]

these clips bro

[median bane]

Invincible, Fearless, Sensual, Mysterious, Enchanting, Vigorous, Diligent, Overwhelming, Gorgeous, Passionate, Terrifying, Beautiful, Powerful GREY PRINCE ZOTE

[mild sorrel]

He will get suspicious instantly

[shrewd nymph]

the dream facedance

[lone oracle]

@mild sorrel

1. Back pain
2. Za hando
3. Generous NKG

[wind garnet]

naw bruh im fodder compared to the high end 2.0 players

[mild sorrel]

3. Is the type shit i see with hitless skong gauntlets 💔

[shrewd nymph]

My facedance on 1.0 rn is pitiful compared to that 😭

I didnt know how to learn so its basically just pressing everything and praying

[autumn dawn]

Im back :D

my bad that i vanished my laptop decided to have a stroke and opt out for a few hours

[vivid creek]

Ngl facedance is a name of all time for an hk technique

[autumn dawn]

Chat is dead rn i guess :(

[median bane]

nope

hellor

[vernal knot]

Chat is dead

[lean sapphire]

Hmmm what’s this red tent with bagpipe music coming from it (I’m not scared trust)

[vernal knot]

Where are the letters from

[lean sapphire]

No idea I stole the meme from yt

[boreal hollow]

Hi chat

[autumn dawn]

Hello :D

[boreal hollow]

Lol

[glass bolt]

YOO THE COLOSEUM OF FOOLS IS OP I JUST GOT PALE ORE

[median bane]

heyyy :3

[autumn dawn]

Sorry for late responce i didnt expect one tbh lol

[autumn dawn]

Either way how are you?

[median bane]

lol dw

[autumn dawn]

yeah there is one of those there

Its good for money too

[median bane]

good just bought silksong :3

[autumn dawn]

Nice

I baught it on release btu havnt played it

well ish

i have 6 hours on it

so im not far in

[median bane]

im not gonna play it yet, Im 105% in hollow knight, I need to go 112% and then Ill play

[autumn dawn]

Thats a good idea

hk is honestly one of the best games iv ever played so in my book its worth the 112%

[median bane]

ikr?

[autumn dawn]

Yeah well i mean thats why i did all the steam achievements and radhog as well, my only regret with the game was not playing it sooner bc i baught it like 6 years ago but i only started playing it 5 years ago

[zinc iris]

Will u do p5ab

[autumn dawn]

either way if u need any help throughout your next 7% of the game feel free to lmk bc i often help people out in this game

[autumn dawn]

Idk maybe one day im too busy for that rn

[zinc iris]

Fair

[autumn dawn]

iv done p1-3Ab but i dont have the energy to do 4-5 rn

i should go do two of the bindings on five tho for the journal

[keen thorn]

Herb enticing P5AB

[autumn dawn]

well only 2 and a half hours before i hop in vc to help newbies again :D

or rlly any1

[neon cargo]

Finally beat NKG

[tribal tartan]

is it bad i did all pantheons before finding fury of the fallen

[autumn dawn]

Awesome thats a big step :)

[zinc iris]

Hello hows dashless R5 going

[autumn dawn]

Eh i never used it either when i did them tbh

ITs a good charm but not needed for the pantheons tbh

[tribal tartan]

no i mean it was literally in the tutorial area

[autumn dawn]

its mostly used in speedruns

[autumn dawn]

yeah i skipped over it on my first playthrough too

[neon cargo]

How tf do you have the patience to play on mobile

[autumn dawn]

had to go back for it when i was going for my first 112 playthrough

[neon cargo]

I skipped it for a long time but was going for 100% for my first pt so I ended up getting it

[keen thorn]

Eh

Real life being real life lol

[autumn dawn]

oh and btw in 2h 30 il be in vc not only available to teach/help but il also be streaming hk 112% playthough on wii remote while waiting for pple to help so if any1 wants to see that il be in one of the vc's

[zinc iris]

Understandable

Hk is on wii?

[autumn dawn]

nope

il be playing on pc

[glass bolt]

yo i need to know what is in the 3'rd coloseum

[autumn dawn]

money and bragging rights

If memory serves correct

oh it gives a percentage as well

thats important

so if your going for 112% its needed

[light snow]

the title of fool

[keen thorn]

The glory of being a fool

[autumn dawn]

aka bragging rights

[light snow]

and a boss

[autumn dawn]

yeah ig that too

[light snow]

which is needed for 112% far as i know

[autumn dawn]

you unlock godtamer in HOG

if you do collo3

[lone oracle]

i dont, these shitty clips is what gives me the patience

[light snow]

yeah but that doesnt count to %

[autumn dawn]

Uh yes it does

each collo counts to percentage

[autumn dawn]

3 perccent for the whole collo

[light snow]

oh i saw pantheon

nvm yes

oui oui

[autumn dawn]

the pantheons also count for percent tho lol

[neon epoch]

ive done it

[light snow]

the bosses in the pantheons do

not the pantheons itself necessarily

i know this because i was stuck at 111% with pv for like a week

[autumn dawn]

exept they do 😭

I used them to complete my speedrun stuff

in the achievement runs

like 100% steelsoul

I did the pantheons and skipped some other stuff like grubs in return

[light snow]

huh

didnt think they did

point is do col3

[elder frigate]

just 2 more

[autumn dawn]

ye fair enough

[autumn dawn]

markoth is gonna be hell but oro and mato you got easy

as for markoth just know we all hate him too youll get through it lol

[bold turret]

rad abs rad is harder than radkoth imo, and they already got it

[autumn dawn]

fair enough everyone has a diff oppinion but for me rad mark took 18 hours radabsrad only took me 3 and a half

[bold turret]

radkoth was 2 hours for me, 8 for rad absrad

[light snow]

feels a little weird how THK and normal radiance arent in godhome honestly

[autumn dawn]

I just am not good at radkoth lol

[autumn dawn]

they have better varients there but i still agree

[bold turret]

godseeker only wants the best

[autumn dawn]

I wish they where there too

[light snow]

like i get that you can always refight them in the black egg and all but like the THK fight gets tweaked when you do void heart and radiance is just a little inconvinient to get to

[autumn dawn]

then why is gruzzmother there :/

[bold turret]

-# vengefly king and gruz mother

[light snow]

god of uh...

[slow marsh]

im not suprised you did radiant absrad before markoth

[autumn dawn]

Eugh i cant wait to start my wii remote playthough This is the slowest 2 hours ever lol

[light snow]

wii remote playthrough

dear god

[autumn dawn]

I wont crumble to the pressure like last time this time imma do the whole 112%

last time i only did 2 dreamers then gave up

bc it was hella hard

With limited keybinds and a remote delay it was rough

[vernal knot]

Motherhood?

[neon epoch]

whoever said weaversong was useless against the hollow knight mighve been high🔥

[light snow]

sure i guess

[tropic skiff]

Hall of Gods: Gruz Mother

Unlocked:
Slumbering god of fertility

Locked:
I sleep amongst winding roads

@megathekindly used /godhome category: Hall of Gods - Bottom row name: Gruz Mother

[vernal knot]

Oh fertility

[autumn dawn]

close enough

[tulip gate]

are people still trying to convince each others to forgive the pale king

[autumn dawn]

still? was that even a thing in the first place lol

[vernal knot]

What is there to forgive

They did nothing wrong

[tulip gate]

u right

[vernal knot]

[crisp willow]

Greetings

[sturdy galleon]

morning.

[robust wolf]

[crisp willow]

Helo muzzle

[autumn dawn]

Hi is chat coming back finally?

[ancient ravine]

cutie patootie

[robust wolf]

my cat

[proven torrent]

oh I love this skin

[subtle arch]

Imagine if there was more p5 exclusive bosses (ex. Winged nosk)

[autumn dawn]

1h 48 mins till i hop in vc :D

[subtle arch]

There def could be a lot of potential for some underloved bosses

WAGAMA!

[autumn dawn]

For those who didn't see the messages above il be available to teach/help and il also be streaming (in the vc) hk 112% on wii remote inbetween people im helping

[subtle arch]

Ok

[autumn dawn]

alr imma go now prolly

be back in an hour 45

[robust wolf]

back in 2 days

[young lake]

?av nekazs

[idle belfry]

nekazs

Server Avatar

[robust wolf]

wow

not me

[young lake]

interesting...

7.7/10 ig

[subtle arch]

Imagine infected Gruzz mother

[robust wolf]

wooow

how about the other half

[ancient ravine]

it's so cool

[young lake]

from what i can tell id say like 6.5/10

[robust wolf]

ya so i have the better half

[subtle arch]

What about the secret 3rd half?

[young lake]

too much of a bright ass yellow for the hair

[subtle arch]

Zote is secretly there trust me

[young lake]

yes you do

[normal cradle]

knock them down into the sawblades

[robust wolf]

noooo

hes just a little cat

[burnt lily]

Guys, I keep failing phanteon 4, does anyone know any good strategies against pure vessel?

[subtle arch]

Idk uh, dodge or something idk

[sturdy galleon]

focus on jumping over the boss and pogoing it rather than dashing through.

[subtle arch]

Maybe use shape of unn + quick focus it can be good in tight situations

Sharp Shadow is also good for extra chip damage over time

[earnest apex]

[young lake]

if ur failing in the pantheon itself maybe get more experience with pv in hog ?

[earnest apex]

rip

[robust wolf]

[sturdy galleon]

try to beat it on ascended difficulty.

[burnt lily]

I'm 111%

[crisp willow]

Geeetings

[earnest apex]

R.I.P Rigby, she was a good girl

[burnt lily]

I litteraly Need to do p4 and finally complete the game

[young lake]

no p5 ☹️

[swift saddle]

p5 completes the game huehue

[crisp willow]

How do you have 111% before beating P4 /c

[subtle arch]

Mordecai, Rigby, if you don’t clean these buzz saws YOU’RE FIRED

[burnt lily]

I know, but there is no way I'm doing that

[robust wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-kazuma-kiryu-kiryu-kazuma-yakuza-kiryu-gif-25261393

[crisp willow]

iirc P4 adds 2% to the total

[burnt lily]

I even did Path of pain, I tought it would have give me a 1%

[earnest apex]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-jump-clapping-cat-gif-12676235098540252314

[zinc iris]

1

[swift saddle]

i dont think it does anything

path of pain is nice tho

[burnt lily]

No, it adds only 1

[zinc iris]

All pantheons except 5 give 1

[swift saddle]

i think cuz of path of pain i didnt suck as much in silksong

[zinc iris]

And 5 gives 0

[earnest apex]

Man, P5 is gonna be difficult

[subtle arch]

I mean, it’s kinda normal, I had 109% before beating pantheon 4, the others was getting all masks and colosseum 3

[swift saddle]

true, i have 112% and i didnt do p5 yet

[earnest apex]

I'm in P3

[crisp willow]

I am missing something than- cuz o have 110% on my file, and for the longest time i thought the thing i was missing is p4

What else am i missing- possibly?

[earnest apex]

I can't wait to suffer myself in P5 bruh

[subtle arch]

C3?

[zinc iris]

Colo 3?

[crisp willow]

Done already

[zinc iris]

Ascend the seer

[crisp willow]

Also done

[burnt lily]

Fun fact, I did it, the problem is that I continue losing in the phanteon, I don't know how

[swift saddle]

check the list on wiki

[zinc iris]

All masks all nails all spells upgraded

[worthy peak]

nkg?

[zinc iris]

All soul

[crisp willow]

also done

[tired mountain]

I do

[young lake]

https://hollowknightchecklist.com/

[crisp willow]

Did it a month ago

[crisp willow]

Thank u :3

[young lake]

yw

[swift saddle]

i did P2 all bindings yesterday finally

[subtle arch]

Got all grubs?

[earnest apex]

I just need to survive P3 and P4 to obtain the remaining 2% for 112%

[crisp willow]

All charms

[swift saddle]

obblobles ended me too many times

[robust wolf]

complete the hunter journal

[crisp willow]

Also done

Wai lemme hop on da game

[earnest apex]

I slew Menderbug btw

[zinc iris]

No percent on that

[swift saddle]

was a 19 minutes run

[robust wolf]

wow

[burnt lily]

?

[earnest apex]

R.I.P

[sturdy galleon]

https://reznormichael.github.io/hollow-knight-completion-check/ this does it automatically if youre on pc and can upload your save file.

[tired mountain]

Hug the wall i can send an example in dms

[crisp willow]

The humble console player..

[earnest apex]

AH MAN, WHY HAVEN'T I DONE THAT BEFORE PLAYING HOLLOW KNIGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME!??

[cobalt peak]

Who is stronger nmkg or abs rad?

[swift saddle]

absrad

[zinc iris]

Abs rad

[crisp willow]

Abs rad

Lore wise and gameplay wise

[earnest apex]

https://tenor.com/view/the-radiance-hollow-knight-pale-king-watch-your-tone-watch-your-tone-mf-gif-25105189

her

[swift saddle]

i think nmkg is easier than pure vessel

[sturdy galleon]

what?

[burnt lily]

I think even radiance without being Absolute can beat nkg

[smoky matrix]

Most do.

[tired mountain]

Nah

[earnest apex]

I could've used that tool before playing Hollow Knight for the first time...

[cobalt peak]

What is harder life or any radiance 3.0

[earnest apex]

Life

[subtle arch]

Have you got full vessel fragments

[crisp willow]

May i write a nerd text about this

[crisp willow]

Yes

[subtle arch]

Hurm, nail arts?

[burnt lily]

What?

[crisp willow]

Also yee- i'lll look into it layer

[smoky matrix]

It's a Serdna.

[young lake]

JAY

hihi

[crisp willow]

A long ass text about nkg vs radiance

[earnest apex]

lol

[swift saddle]

should i next do all bindings pantheon 3, some bindings on pantheon 4, radiant markoth or radiant pure vessel?

[burnt lily]

Do that, please

[cobalt peak]

Would sans or radiance win?

[young lake]

i like google searched it and thats the first thing that came up

[smoky matrix]

Hello.

[fervent pine]

Where to post the video of me playing hollow Knight on a flip phone?

[young lake]

hru

[smoky matrix]

I am alive.

You?

[young lake]

also alive, very hungry though

[smoky matrix]

Have a good whatever meal you eat at this time.

[swift saddle]

mbe a different question, what do yall think is bindings order by difficulty if we talk 1 binding at a time?

[robust wolf]

no don't eat

[young lake]

idek what im supposed to eat at 12:42pm

ig its lunch?? my lunch is more often at like 3 or 4 pm though

[smoky matrix]

You can have whatever is made for lunch, yes.

[sturdy galleon]

charm > mask > nail/soul is general consensus, with nail or soul being based on playstyle.

[smoky matrix]

Oh wow, that's super late for me.

[young lake]

it is pretty late for most people

i like skip breakfast
eat lunch at like 3 or 4
eat dinner at around 9

[smoky matrix]

When do you wake up that you can skip breakfast and still not be hungry till 3-4 PM?

[wind garnet]

glitchless 3.0 is harder than life

[wind garnet]

@verbal pasture

[smoky matrix]

It's a Suscat.

[wind garnet]

jaymer

[young lake]

i wake up at around like 6:30 or so

i get pretty hungry sometimes but i usually have a snack or something

my sleep schedule sucks and so does my eating schedule

[smoky matrix]

My sleep schedule sucks but my eating is still intact.

College hasn't ruined that yet.

[young lake]

yet

[cobalt peak]

It has glitches????

[smoky matrix]

Soon™.

[wind garnet]

you can skip first phase and have a easier climb / plats if you use glitches which is allowed for the any rad list

[cobalt peak]

Damn

[wind garnet]

but theres 2 individuals running for glitchless which is the hell you know 3.0 to be

[smoky matrix]

How long is Grubmother gonna type?

[cobalt peak]

I barely beat it with godmode so I’m too bad to do those probably

[wind garnet]

oh yeah

[smoky matrix]

I've lost quite a bit of connection with AnyBad. Has 3.0 been beaten yet?

[elder frigate]

is doing radiant markoth using grimmchild and weaversong feasible?

[wind garnet]

one of them has already dropped close to 500 hours on it

[smoky matrix]

Yes.

[wind garnet]

yes

[mild sorrel]

possible

[smoky matrix]

If you're willing to dodge for three hours.

[wind garnet]

2 people have

[smoky matrix]

By?

[verbal pasture]

Affirmative

[wind garnet]

levi967 and talezshadid

[smoky matrix]

I assume it's glitched.

[smoky matrix]

Interesting.

[wind garnet]

you could say 3 have done it with glitches

but noaran doesnt want to spend the 5 hours to get a quick glitches clear

[mild sorrel]

Omg waw it's the name that's in the message

[smoky matrix]

Based.

[verbal pasture]

I’m literally clearing today

[wind garnet]

levi has cleared ascended from plats a few times

shits getting crazy

noaran has climb runs so its only a matter of time

[verbal pasture]

Plats is easy phase 1 is too hard

[wind garnet]

surely...

[smoky matrix]

Oh boy. I wanna say I am interested but frankly, I am not.

[twin raven]

I done 9 assignments that were due tomorrow for 1 class

[dawn coral]

@summer cobalt

[wind garnet]

fair

[smoky matrix]

GG.

[twin raven]

I already had 7 finished, I had to do 8 more (I did an extra for fun)

[mint niche]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-mad-skeleton-gif-10886506202898815019

[smoky matrix]

How long of a passage is Grubmother typing????

[crisp willow]

I belive radiance basic form is equal to NKG.

NKG is the alter, the body, the mesih of the Nightmare heart, a higher being we know very less about- but we never saw any weak higher being, so it can be seen so:

Grimm is the vessel of the nightmare heart, and he contains the power of it to an extend.

Nightmare essence is regretful, hatredful dream essence- wich we know is conected to Radiance. Radiance's corr power comes from essence (spaculation), nightmare essence is just the corrupt version of that- equaly benefitual.

But, when it comes to Absolutr Radiance, things change.

One of godseeker's diologe's imply that godhome purifies, perfects, and shows the maximum pottential of a being. Such as Pure Vessel that canonicly does not reallt exist- or Nosket, or Sisters of Battle.

Absolute Radiance is the true, maximal, and full measures power of the "god of gods"

Absolute Radiance, in a hypothical sense, will beat NKG in a moment's notice

Base Radiance and NKG are equal if we accept that they use similar powers due to essence's similarity

[sturdy galleon]

_ _

ah, sorry for the ping.

[crisp willow]

U gud <3

[autumn dawn]

holly words (dont take this the wrong way im not saying its yap or anything just alot of text lol)

[vernal knot]

NKG at the end of the day is just still Grimm

A dream version of grimm but grimm nonetheless

[mint niche]

on power level maybe but not in game difficulty

[crisp willow]

We are talking lore and lore only.

[verbal pasture]

Maybe if she didn’t sit on the left side for 40 seconds I could’ve cleared

[mint niche]

oh ok

[mint niche]

its grimm harnessing the nightmare hearts full potential

[vernal knot]

It's Dream grimm

Where does that idea come from

[crisp willow]

Grimm is the alter of the nightmare heart

[vernal knot]

Alter?

[scarlet thorn]

never modding hk again bro im just stucking staring into the radiance's eyes as its own lances strike it

[crisp willow]

Vessel, so said

[vernal knot]

Aight

[burnt lily]

Wow

[scarlet thorn]

wanna know whats crazy

[smoky matrix]

One thing is wrong here.
Nosk took Hornet's form in Godhome because the Tiny It had actually formed a bond with Hornet. And as we know, Nosk mimics the people you love to lure you in. Nosk didn't do so in Deepnest because at that point, the Tiny It hadn't formed a bond with Hornet and so Nosk didn't have anyone to use against the Tiny It.

[scarlet thorn]

im pretty sure that grim child is dead

[burnt lily]

Well, if you do the ritual

[scarlet thorn]

yea yea

[smoky matrix]

Grimmchild is the next Grimm. I don't know why you think it's dead.

[crisp willow]

Nosket still does not exist in reality, it is the true pottentional of the being known as Nosk

[scarlet thorn]

it just fucked off other times

[burnt lily]

I want an hollow knight grimm

[scarlet thorn]

embrace the void

[burnt lily]

It would be peak

[scarlet thorn]

hollowknight flame dance or sum

[subtle arch]

We all agree Zote is the strongest

[crisp willow]

Maybe a comic, it would be fun

[scarlet thorn]

yes

[burnt lily]

Great name

[vernal knot]

What about Embrace The Void

[crisp willow]

Zote is the luck factor in HK

[subtle arch]

*goat factor

[scarlet thorn]

if you have the grimchild charm what happenes to grim

[vernal knot]

I mean It's fine

[smoky matrix]

Yeah, it doesn't exist because when TK fought Nosk in Deepnest, Nosk had nothing to use against it. But since it now does, it used Hornet against TK.
Nosk's true form/potential is just of a shapeshifter.

[scarlet thorn]

just void food

[covert kindle]

Pure vessel vs nkg who wins?

[vernal knot]

Like in Godseeker mode Grimmchild can appear and is fine

[smoky matrix]

It has a Higher Being protecting it.

[burnt lily]

We Need a hollow knight sequel/prequel where you play as:
Zote
Grimm
Quirrel

[scarlet thorn]

i mean uhhh

[vernal knot]

Ew, Quirrel

[crisp willow]

GRRRR

[vernal knot]

He already got a comic why a Prequel 🎋

[subtle arch]

W, Zote

[burnt lily]

I thinks pure vessel

[crisp willow]

A nerd text, shall i do again?

[scarlet thorn]

no

no

[vernal knot]

Lorewise I think IT's safe to say that NKG wins

[scarlet thorn]

your good

[burnt lily]

Zote is technically the only Vessel that we know that is able to talk

[smoky matrix]

NKG is more likely to win, I think.

[vernal knot]

Yeah

[crisp willow]

Lets analyise shall weM

[burnt lily]

If you want to

[vernal knot]

No

[crisp willow]

Ok..

[scarlet thorn]

bro i just like nkg more so he wins

hes a pain in the ass to fight

[crisp willow]

We talkin lore only

[vernal knot]

Again, NKG wins

[covert kindle]

I want a game we play as hollow knight after embrace the void ending

[subtle arch]

How dare you say something so inaccurate of zote, Zote is no mere vessel, he’s a wanderer of a far land, a legend, crafting his nail at a young age, named life ender

[crisp willow]

?

[scarlet thorn]

im talking about my love for him...

[burnt lily]

Well, i beat nkg and still having trouble with pure vessel

[crisp willow]

What does that achive

[vernal knot]

Playing as THK in general sounds boring as fuck

[scarlet thorn]

pv is easy for me

[subtle arch]

Same

[keen thorn]

What is this? A skibidi toilet that enjoys prime?

[scarlet thorn]

hes not to fast

[crisp willow]

GENUO!!!!

[burnt lily]

I'm Sorry for doing this disrespect, I shall go back to my room, and continue to keep the radiance

[covert kindle]

Likely yes

[crisp willow]

How u been pal

[keen thorn]

Hi

[vernal knot]

Hi Genius

[keen thorn]

Hi

[keen thorn]

Good ig

[autumn dawn]

everyone has their own struggles tbh so it can be diff for diff people

[keen thorn]

Slept until almost 11 am 😭

[smoky matrix]

It's a Genome250.

[burnt lily]

I agree

[scarlet thorn]

IM NOT DOWNPLAYING ANYONES STRUGGLES

I SAID

[vernal knot]

Lazy ass

[scarlet thorn]

SOMETHING BEFORE THIS

[keen thorn]

It's the integral of jady

[scarlet thorn]

ok im good

[burnt lily]

But we can all agree on something

[crisp willow]

What does a game where we play as the strongest being in all of Hollowknight verse achive-?

There is nothing to tell anymore about Ghost's story

[autumn dawn]

oh mb i didnt see that

[vernal knot]

They lack reading comprehension

[burnt lily]

Primal aspid soloes all the universe

[vernal knot]

THK after EtV is fucking crippled

Where did this glaze come from

[smoky matrix]

I think she is talking about before THK was sealed.

[sand pumice]

hey guys, has anyone by chance bought these cards from any reliable source?

[scarlet thorn]

i would like to see a new game plus type of thing for hk but its a about to be 11 year old game

[subtle arch]

*except zote

[crisp willow]

The knight as the charm Voidheart, wich we see clues of it allowing it's bearer to control void- wich is one of the strongest elements in the whole hk story/verse

[vernal knot]

But they explicitely said "After embrace the void"

[smoky matrix]

Hoping they add one for SS.

[vernal knot]

They said Hollow Knight

Not The Knight

[burnt lily]

We Need to see a Primal aspid vs zote

[covert kindle]

Primal aspid overwhelmes all hollow knight universe

[smoky matrix]

Oh.

[vernal knot]

Plus we technically already play as Void Given Focus in The Game itself

[crisp willow]

They said that they want a game that takes place after EtV

[vernal knot]

"Where we play as The Hollow Knight after EtV"

[subtle arch]

I’ll tell you, think of it like, omni man vs invincible, the first fight, but Zote is omni man and invincible is primal aspid

[covert kindle]

The chosen one

[crisp willow]

Yes, but the void given form only appears after radiance is beaten/fugging ded

[crisp willow]

Oh..

Well

[vernal knot]

And in Godseeker mode

[crisp willow]

Ok, still boring

[autumn dawn]

idk part of the reason hollowknight is hollowknight is that there are no preset difficulties or game difficulties it is what it is easy for some hard for others but I understand your POV too i could see that being a nice addition of experienced players ig

[vernal knot]

Yes

[smoky matrix]

I want a prequel where we play as THK.

[vernal knot]

That's boring

[crisp willow]

THATS THE ONE!

[burnt lily]

So zote runs away to not kill the Primal aspid?

[smoky matrix]

I wanna know the idea instilled.

[crisp willow]

Think about how much lore we can learn dudeeeee

[scarlet thorn]

i want a buff for enemy's while you keep your masks and stuff(not charms)

[vernal knot]

Dawg I don't want to play as slightly bigger TK

[crisp willow]

And i wanna know how the paleking knew how to controm the void

[smoky matrix]

Idk man. A prequel where I get to be PV and do the stuff they do sounds awesome.

[vernal knot]

Imprinting it

[subtle arch]

Zote takes pity on such endangered and lowlife species that he retreats as Zote would have done one blow otherwise

[vernal knot]

To each their own I suppose

[crisp willow]

I mostly care about HK lore, so

[smoky matrix]

True!

[autumn dawn]

yeah ik what a newgame plus is but still like i said could be nice for expirianced players

[covert kindle]

Quirrel maybe in another kingdom

[vernal knot]

Grubmother how far are you into HK actually?

[crisp willow]

Done

[burnt lily]

Zote is the best

[vernal knot]

They likely dead as hell

[crisp willow]

Other than pantheons

[scarlet thorn]

i was going into further detail...

[vernal knot]

You beat p5?

[subtle arch]

True

[vernal knot]

Congratz

[crisp willow]

He is 80% surely ded

[crisp willow]

no, why?

[vernal knot]

Ah

[crisp willow]

.

[scarlet thorn]

guys what do i do

[burnt lily]

That's why we can't play as him
He is so strong that he doesn't obey to us

[subtle arch]

You have 112%?

[crisp willow]

Other tha pantheons.

[subtle arch]

So uh, you didn’t do p3 and p4

[crisp willow]

Yes

[autumn dawn]

oh go get ur last 4% then p1-4 is easy enough

[subtle arch]

Dang, sly used to kick my ass too

[autumn dawn]

and you dont need 5 for the 112%

[ancient ravine]

first hk vid (bro it's like 7mins why a whole hour just to publish)

[crisp willow]

Meeehhh... I think - sorry but

What drags me more into HK is its vague lore, and the stabilty in this vagulity

The gameplay is fun

But- lore is more tempting

[subtle arch]

Zote prequel is needed

[crisp willow]

No

Zote is a one time joke

[burnt lily]

I dis It First try, i don't know how

[crisp willow]

And i belive canonicly he dies

[subtle arch]

Zote is a glorious king

[autumn dawn]

cool Ig, again its your experience so no need to apologize you do what you enjoy who am I to judge

[subtle arch]

Ace Attorney reference, it’s like, law, judges are law, yeah yeah

[autumn dawn]

what?

[crisp willow]

i judt realisedZ

Chat

When i play a game

Or watch something

[knotty ravine]

I just want better bosses in my hk

[crisp willow]

I am mostly on "woh whats the back story about this"

[crisp willow]

goplaysilksong

[subtle arch]

Do pantheon 10

[knotty ravine]

this does not solve the issue

[crisp willow]

/unsrs

[knotty ravine]

mb

that game has no dynamic bosses

HK has like 3

[crisp willow]

Elaborate on dynamic /c

[keen thorn]

AbsRad GPZ and tyrant

[subtle arch]

Are those 3 Zote the mighty, grey prince Zote and eternal ordeal?

[crisp willow]

Im gonna kill zote

[subtle arch]

Zote is too powerful for that

[crisp willow]

I am the mother of 46 blesssed creatures

Creatures who know how to control the life eneegy by birth

[subtle arch]

Those creatures got trapped by some coo coo void guy btw

[crisp willow]

Why she just gone unexisting

[crisp willow]

You are conparing a human baby to a grown man

My children were on their first of four stages in their life

[subtle arch]

Zote still solos tho

[crisp willow]

I could send a hector salamanca quote here

I wont

[subtle arch]

If life ender touches you once, YOU’RE DONE

[subtle arch]

Send it

[crisp willow]

No need :3

[subtle arch]

I shall possibly be taking my leave to worship zote

[crisp willow]

Aight, take car bayy

[clear crest]

Path of pain is Low-Key kinda easy, Hot take?

[autumn dawn]

no no its not kinda easy it is easy

[crisp willow]

The internet over exagerrates it

[autumn dawn]

I found it simpler then the rest of white palce anyways