#hk-discussion
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wtf does that even mean
GUYSSSS
i just lost a P5 run to NO EYES of all things im genuinely gonna kms
yup
IS MILLYBUG BI???

the zoteboat is a lie
true but this channel goes off topic as often as the minutes pass XD
Silly question, any tips on getting through this parkour in lower Greenpath?
Crystal Dash
Don't have that yet, is it the only way?
I'll venture into Crystal Peak again I guess
funny dung defender glitch
lol
you have to down slash the swimming dude
bounce on them
Where is @tulip narwhal
Pogo on the damn thang
Pogo-ing my beloathed
@tulip narwhal is here
Hiii im good
Yay good job
Thanks
Hi meowl
Where are u in hollow knight
I got to fungal wastes
Ok 👍
I beat pantheon 5

ew p5

grey
choom
hitless 3L lost to accidental wcs
You just hate me I get it
as in you got hit because of wcs?
yeahh
Is thqt choombert
tragic, where in the run was it
choom I'm committed to doing at least some overworld because I made save states
was it a decent run because dead runs don't have as much pressure
it would've been pb but i forgot to do a goal and deleted my save before i realized
i posted it in boards and everything
and then someone was like that's a 2 line
and my world fell apart
unfortunate
just overworld problems I guess
anyways im getting close to hit = reset territory
:3
are you able to continue playing on your save file after killing the hollow knight???
overworld will be so much more fun and enjoyable than... the other run...
grey should hand brain
@subtle glacier 🦦 
I always go out at about this time I should have joined the bingy earlier
I miss rose
I got distracted by all skills
all skills speedrun or
go to bed floggy
hitless
hitless
I have 12 savestates for the run
Do you know what TIME it is chudboy
5 but maybe that was for any%
all skills is scarier traversal but easier combat
I haven't done any overworld runs in so long I forget what I've run
solid tradeoff
🐑
thk is so difficult I died in the fight
thk scary
the triple slash is so fast
i remember dying in hitless attempts a few times too
dont call me chudboy..
or Else
ill do some evil things floggy
LOL cro really think he tuff
cro...
i am tuff twin
Yuh im also plotting
I love this image and it's unedited version
thanks twin
I know you really want to be
i was born this way
Me too...
im glad friend im glad
You were born gay?
16th path of pain
My brother in life GET A JOB
no
Ain't nobody needs to do PoP SIXTEEN TIMES
Also hk players before skong:
What
Yall im on pantheon 5 wish me luck please
gl
after a few times PoP is less than 10 minutes to do it isn't as bad as you are making it out to be
@foggy sable
lune
answer
yk the markoth thing where you dash under him
I know of it
ignoring any risk of getting hit until after its done, is the extra 13ish damage (sometimes more depending on how he moves) worth it over the 80 dmg from insta shade soul
assuming you enter with full soul
since shade soul version gives you space and distance whereas dash under doesnt
I prefer an insta nail art followed by a 2 hit shade soul as my opener
but 2 hit shade soul is the next preferred one
yes
I prefer to go full nail on phase 1
well i often enter with full soul from tyrant
so id get the soul back from an opening shade soul
On charmless I open with a nart, otherwise dash behind him
if im not then i do the dash under
I always do tyrant nail only phase 2 so I have full soul so I start markoth with either nail art into shade soul or just shade soul depending on my mood
maybe i'll try dash under + shade soul
but i dont think it double hits
if not then nart shade soul double hit sounds goodd
I just don't think the dash under is worth it anyway
why?
risk management and run nerves
ive never gotten hit doing it
You can do dash behind instead
dash behind?
That's what I do
Jump to the platform and dash off it behind markoth
And hit him into the middle
do you have a clip anywhere
Ez 3 hits and up to 6 with good rng
seems same as dash under
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which gives an overall higher dps increase for most bosses, quick slash or strength?
What was the tag
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optimally qs non optimally strength
Oh okay so Dyno just fucking hates me, I see
qslash ideally and even moreso if you include extra soul gain
like if u are landing every hit and playing perfectly, use qs?
well there is almost no reason to ever run one and not the other
R5, also known as Hitless or Radiant P5 FINALLY DEFEATED
750 total hours of playtime
440 hours of godhome in my main file
67 attempts over 11 months of grind
97 hours of R5 and RHoG only
AND I DID IT
i just do whatever looks cooler 
that just seems worse than opening nail art into shade soul
ok, so for p5, i should stick with qs, strength, shamans, and sharp shadow?
That's because I didn't go for the continuation
What's good is you can follow markoth
out of curiosity why not?
I was too nervous tho
exactly run nerves
Yeah, but I was especially nervous
How do I join the Spanish-speaking server?
Like, AnyRad levels of nerves I'd still do it
Is there a way I can go into a brand new save with everything I have now
Or those I felt in my dashless R5 1 hit
i want to have a discussion on why hornet naturally has the ability to dash downwards once you get the dash but the knight needs a charm to do it
yeah its fundamentally the same as what i do 
lol fr
well ideally you dont use sshadow but if you're super reliant on it then thats fine
ik bro, i would use spell twister, but i cant beat pv or nkg without it, ive tried multiple times
maybe use twister up until the soul tyrant bench then
my personal build is the big 3 + sbody + nmg
yea
but either way the last two notches arent life or death
like sbody helps alot but if you're reliant on sshadow then try to eventually learn without it but not during p5 attempts
is there anythiing i should use besides twister?
cause i cant beat nkg without nail arts lmao
this dash slash line up
https://youtu.be/47NYDIqbrDI?si=f-zw_yaPtNqtBDlO&t=2045
Half an hour of pauses and other non pantheon footage removed and music added
full recording here
https://youtu.be/mm12HqJqfhg
Accidentally Words than never reached you is twice because I am silly and forgot I had it already
Added music
Master of Wealth - Octopath 0
Chasing daybreak - FE 3 houses
Combat - Destiny - Triangle strategy
Words th...
and I didn't have shaman here so didn't shade soul but I was in the position t odo it
steady body + grubsong/nailmasters glory
catcher > twister if you heal a decent amount
heart for later 2 dmg bosses for QoL
Yeah for charmless nart opening is best
yeah, ive tried heart, never thought of using catcher. thanks!
is it insta shade soul after nart?
pretty much
and you double hit if you have shaman on
it is the damage equivalent of about 4-5 nail hits with almost no risk
i'll experiment with it when i get home
the dash under has 0 risk for me but playing close does ykwim
i basically can't play the game without sbody on it's bad
anyways thanks grey and genio
also the charmless run had such a bad markoth
hes one of the bosses i need to improve on
well bad patterns anyway
whats the big 3😭
my problem is anything below ab I don't have any glaring issues and ab practice is boring
uns mop and quickslash?
4 nails and 4 damage
go for faster / riskier r5 clears
but not like silly ones reliant on rng but riskier as in mechanically harder
The charm trifecta is strength Quickslash shaman
speed runs hurt my hands
Op beyond measure and skill floors really low
anyrad incoming
which is why I don't do long sessions of pantheons anyway
i see......
i was only wrong on one
I am thinking of picking up something less intense but idk yet
Mop is still good tho
in modded bosses or just general?
like overworld runs
Pale shadow 
scary
idk really what exactly
r04theon of pv 
but I'll probably go on a pantheon break for a bit
or at least only do a small amount
I do want to do r5ab one day but I'm a bit burnt out of godhome
(given the 8 r5 clears in the span of a month)
r04 radtheon of marmu surely
I see potential for this generation of R5ABers
@levi
r04theon of flukemarm or nothing
now I've done charmless it is sort of in sight
It's 13hp minions and that's fine
whereas before it was some distant goal
Yeah
i dont think theres a single r04theon id be interested in
making a sandwich I see
rabtheon was boring as hell
42 streak of anything is boring af
suscat sandwhich 
@susc
radtheon of marmu normally was annoying
Hive knight is such an ah boss
👀
hive knight is top 3 boss
irabntheon of marmu
i dont like how bees track for too long but otherwise i love hive knight
Overated imo
nah
My opinion
just dash the opposite way to the direction bees are moving
Although I most certainly see us 3 clearing R5AB at least before 2028
I believe on 2026 tho!
He gets beaten up so easily
We just need to not give up
I don't think r5ab will be fun or enjoyable
Nope lol
What's r5ab guys
It's R5AB
scarrry
and also I need r5eb first
hitless pantheon 5 with all bindings at once
Jesus
Honestly
Idk if I care for that anymore
Nail and soul bindings are so icky
and also I haven't done p4ab so I'd be getting ahead of myself
nail seems okay with flukes
Atp after dashless I may just do -1R5 and Nonly
I can't even beat P1 with 1 binding y'all ✌️
lots of practise 
Oh I don't think I told you two
nonly doesnt sound bad until i realise i cant ddark to solely iframe
I'm gonna use ss as my practice
Just beat p3 🙏
nerf genio
Idk how
hotpatch
Nerf lune first 
what is ghost doing yo
Do r04 again
ew
my wk are pretty consistent (no bindings) but they arent super quick / clean
that took like 40 minutes
which is annoying
I agree
He wants to hurt the radiance too
Well I'm gonna eep
gn
Tomorrow is the big day when I'll pick my subjects
Why tf is markoth on p4 bro kms
I need to be ready
goodnight genio

oh wow gl
It is
Hopefully the Goated teachers will still have space when my turn reaches 🙏
hot take radiant grimm is harder than radiant nkg, if u try it after nkg
true
Cold take ahh
leonhk 😮
suspat
🐊
hi suscar

hi vzy
hey throw
i miss vzy bingy
I hate lost kin so much why do i have to use defender's crest in p4 oh my lord
r we fr
Ye
good reminder
||traitor lord, not markoth?||
Well
Ur gonna see them soon 
I don't use defender's crest in p4 as I can get through halfway with 3 masks and above then heal them for failed champion markoth and watcher knights
Yeah traitor lords is annoying but not that hard to beat just walk away from where it's gonna jump to and use sharp shadow to dash through it or spam nail attacks or dash nail art (all works I think)
Zvy can I have Ari I miss her
||u dont need crest, shade soul and nail takes care of it for the most part, yeah.||
whoops
replied to wrong message srry
Np
But Markoth, yeah somehow I don't struggle against him (I'm never doing him radiant) I just use great slash to attack him and when he's using the spinning shield move I heal
(still find him one of the most annoying bosses in the game)
what if theres no floor
Haven't done that yet, but I'll try after beating p4 (first that then I'll practice him without floor)
But I don't use the floor that often just sometimes
if the floor chooses to remain, i just stay under him and spam shriek
if theres none, i use dash slash and shade soul
I do despise lost kin, like why do those idiotic ghosts get summoned 😭
I just use dash slash or great slash
Always
yea
It's an easier way to beat him without taking too much dmg
in second phase, shade soul double hits are 🔥
Fr shade soul in general is 🔥
But abyss shriek is my favorite spell (purely because I use it for NKG)
I gotta get used to NKG again, I know how to dodge each attack I just gotta get used to the timings again
True ddark is so useful in sticky situations
i just spam ddark whenever i can lol
I use ddark on lost kin and watcher knights mostly
I just need to practice more pure vessel to get through pantheon 4
yea, i just gave up trying to damage him during the uppercut and dash through him
I can parry the uppercut and get out of the way like 50% of the time
While dealing dmg
damn, godly timing
It's peak as hell
ive parried pv slash attack like twice
Alot of hk
Quick focus is ngl so useful 😭
It saves my ass so much
2 health healing instead of 1 in most fights because of the 33% faster healing
Via focus
Who among you wants to see the biggest game discount of the century? 👀
yea
only reason injector band is slightly better in silksong is because theres no notches
I want SS but I already bought a game not long ago that's why I can't buy it
So yeah please spare change (for silksong)
WHY DO I HAVE TO FIGHT WHITE DEFENDER AFTER TRAITOR LORD
If traitor lord and markoth weren't enough 🥀
Not Silksong but...
White defender easy wdym?
Just telling you for fun
Not after traitor lord
1$ OFF 🔥🔥🔥 https://x.com/i/status/2008381147789554042
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A steal tbh
Literally what I'm used to in p4 I easily get through that stage with 3 HP 😭
Like I can finish traitor lords at 3 masks and finish white defender with 5 masks
😭
As in I can heal 2 extra masks after white defender dies
U can heal during white defender itself
And don't tell me about former experience as hollow Knight's the hardest game I've played
Why do i have to be told "its easy!!" When its my experience
Exactly, when he jumps out you gotta be slightly lucky you don't get hit by those balls
True, it's easy for me (someone who has less percent then you and has hollow knight as their first metroidvania and hardest game they've played, mostly being an RPG player)
Yeah or when he bounces around and u know where he's heading also u can get a heal
skong is an amazing game as well as hk, but dont u get pissed off when someone glazes tf out of skong never having played hk?
When he dives down after the bounce you can easily jump over the pillars with your double jump
I take like 3-4 masks every fight against white defender, but I always heal the DMG I take plus more
I take the most DMG against lost kin and watcher knights throughout the whole of pantheon 4
(minus pure vessel)
We don't count him in this because I just die to him
Practice
Alright i got to white defender on 5 masks 
nice job
And i died
i never did more than 3 lol
Play it slow and u can get some heals in
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I finally did the enraged zaza guy whitout being hit
We need a body swap mod
A tip for white defender try to hit and walk away while he's throwing the mud balls, and when he's half HP stand next to his hole and hit when he jumps out then hince repeat
Enraged guardian? Ah well I inconsistently no hit him (he's not hard to avoid just annoying)
In short git gud (how do you have more percentage then me but still struggle against things I don't struggle against)
different people struggle with different things
I meant as in the last parts of the message (how do you manage to care so much about stuff that isnt your problem when people are different)
What things do you have left to do for your last 2 percentages?
I am at 106%
And I struggle against the last part of p4
Mostly
pv is a big jump
P4 and trial of the fools
Aaah alright well I got the last trial of CoF left and p4 and some other stuff
Hollow knight is gonna be the first game I'm gonna complete with all percentages
yea, i recently did colo 3 and p4, now im stuck on p5. good luck!
Same!!+!
Thanks
Yo
thats uber niche
Good luck with the rest of p4 and if you want to see me play for fun later today when I'm back from school (p4) maybe we can learn from each other?
Would be a fun experience to see where we both suck at and help eachother?
In p4 I find 1 boss hard before the resting area and that's lost kin
The rest isn't that hard
spam shade soul bro, thats my best advice lol
also u can easily heal after in no eyes
Alright thanks
sounds good
Alright, did traitor lord with 9 masks
BEAT WHITE DEFENDER'S ASS
☺️
One last tip, don't be too aggressive against white defender @shy patio
i mean u can try juggling him
I know i spanked him earlier at around 90%
Did you win or lose again?
LET'S GOOO
But markoth 💀
i thought i wasj in sk-discussion, mods ban me
Use nail arts
Use great slash then dodge for awhile
And because it's p4 you got a floor so when he uses his spinning shield move is when you can heal
I could share my build with you (I changed one thing to it as it's one from a video)
After you got markoth
Farm soul with failed champion to use on markoth or watcher knights
(yes watcher knights is right after markoth)
He's not that bad just annoying as hell to fight against
I still despise his existence
The only hard boss in p4 is pure vessel himself
spoken like someone who hasnt tried radiant markoth
agreed, if u can beat him in godhome 3 times in a row, u can beat the pantheon
Non radiant Markoth is just annoying as hell, radiant Markoth is so goddamn annoying 😭
here we go again... this shit is loger than one piece
And hard (I haven't fought against radiant Markoth I just know he is)
1400 episodes
the difference between ascended and attuned markoth is more than any other boss
Have fun with it
in difficulty i mean
True
Does every ascended boss also deal double DMG or not?
who else then
vengefly king?
lol
good rng 🔥 💯
guys i think speed might be black
Killed failed champion
Time to cry myself to win
nice job lol
crazy hollow knight discussion
which one???
the watcher knights is a boss i think
Those yeah
@zealous skiff my ass has not looked at the ping but im assuming its yes
All the main game bosses/overworld will be in p1-4
spam abyss shriek on his ahh
😭
I gave up as soon as I died in the first pantheon. Haven't touched it since because Legends ZA
And at the top of the first four is a custom boss
Seeing the,hollow knight with a mouth is nightmare fuel
Ikr
It looks so ai generated oml
U shd try again it's doable w practice
Because it is lmao
Yeah, but I had also just finished the Radiance, and she gave me anxiety
It also is mine
Beat his ass 11 times
1 of them ascended overcharmed and the other radiant
Heck yeah
i like a lot of things here but nmg speed just makes nail arts way too good if you don't have qs and i would like a qs nerf. I also dont know what "tipper mechanic" means but I like everything else. maybe narts time 1.1-1.3x nmg time to charge
i like sisters of battle or normal grimm music better
but nkg is fire beat too
Sisters of Battle is very good
Also, what would your least favorite battle be? Mine was Nosk and Hiveknight
And Trial of the Fool
Galien
Traitor lord
That one is also relatable
As a boss ig obblobles are pretty boring for me
If we say all bosses all modes probably asc markoth was rlly annoying
At least it paid off tho
That's probably markoth
Or absrad
Or gpz
most horrid is probably markoth imo
You know what I've seen very little fanart of (like 3 pics, one being inaccurate due to a detail)
The Hollow Knight after Embrace The Void
(Inaccurate one has both arms. Although it could be a prosthetic)
the thing is we like qs and think it’s fine for it to be super good so we didn’t change the charm in particular, but everything else around it. nmg enables you to make builds around something that isn’t qs
We did make nmg narts really fucking good though yeah
tipper mechanic
like marth
from hit game smash melee
and the other ones
where if you hit with the tip of his sword it deals more damage
ah ic
thats valid
where are the game sprites located
encrypted, you wont find them in the file directory
Soo, I have to dump them?
idk, i just know you cant get them in the file directory
I suspected
Im gonna encrypt you
oh, my shivers are timbered
Yeah they better be
i fight nkg when im bored
Same
Peak
I also no hit him sometimes
I hsvent unlocked pure vessel so i just fight zote most of the time
Or go to the eternal ordeal
I died to pure vessel in my p5 run
i die to markoth more than anyone else in p5 either tht or im on 3 masks by the end of the fight
Does p5 even have rooms to rest in
Yes
fighting markoth and immediately fighting grey prince zote after sucks
7 benches
ikr, its such bad placement
A few more that are just dialogue rooms
its so much better if you just skip saving zote
yep, they are lowk very clutch bc u can just swim in the water and fully restore both masks and soul
Why not just use the bench heh
i mean your bench can do that too
How do benches take away lifeblood if
The lifeblood thing besides hall of gods lets you get it on benches
And also lifeblood charms
oh yeah, i forgot to unlock lifeblood for pantheons
you get it in the bench room, not at the bench itself
Ohh
p5 will be hell
Its a cocoon to the right of the bench
Lifeblood from charms reset but cocoon lifeblood doesnt
hello hk discussion
Goodbye hk discussion
doesnt restore soul without salubra's blessing
oh thats what it does??
No salubra's blessing before godhome is criminal
yep
i mean, isn't it something you'll have by the time you're going to start p5
i still havent gotten it and im almost done with p5
WHAT are you lacking
idk, my playthroughs are pretty wierd but i like them bc i went in blind
if it was before, thats a good decision, now get it, they removed her annoying laugh after fully restoring your soul
i think some lifeblood charms or smth
You haven't got all charms yet?
yep
Send pic
Of charm list
Ah, ok
toa 👀
i like using this build when fighting the radiance
WHAT
Oh my
Yeah with the 2026 bug fix, i heard they fixed it
'fix' like it was something wrong😔
i was wondering the same thing
this game is unplayable. /srs
no, there were a few bugs which still existed, the salubra thing was not a bug, it was a enhancement like the inventory thing
git gud 
d
The radiance is my favorite fight
I would fight her more than nkg if she didnt give you the whole ass credits and needed you to defeat thk
Yep radiance is fun but not abrad
The harder the better
Fair enough, but i hate her
i just quit the save after landing the final blow so i dont have to go through allat
Has anyone made a TRK skin for the Tiny It yet?
dw i base like radiance, the absrad fight is nice tbh, but took me 6 hours to radiant abrad and even after this i can't beat her at attuned, even markoth didn't take that long
thats the same thing i ask everytime, tbf i did get lucky with radiant but still
Did u lose in the pantheon maybe it was nerves
no in hall of gods itself, and i was able to p5 only once, haven't tried it again
i gotta everything in hk again since i didn't play on steam
Isn't there an achievements in the main menu
i mean radabsrad is harder than radkoth tbf
i mean i could techniacally link my xbox account to steam but i want to do everything from scratch cause the game is fun
Understandable
my little critters
I havent played Hollow Knight on some months and Just trying to defeat Hollow Knight is hard for me when I beated the radiance lol
I am way more consistent on rad absrad than rad markoth
theres exceptions for everything
though markoth isn't really hard either, just very tedious
some people find it not just less consistent but also harder (mostly because they havent learnt markoth)
hi
if I was more patient I suppose it would take me less tries
oh i'm getting ignored I should leave
When am i gonna be able to fight the radiance on hall of gods bro
after you have everyone else on HoG I'm pretty sure
you just have to reach her in pantheon 5
to fight her in hog
well thats absrad but still
what the fuck is my memory these days
I mean to be fair saying hi isn't very engaging
oh ok
U can only fight normal radiance in the dream no more ending
Yes
Ouh
If u want absrad get to the top of p5 
No i want radiance
It is worth

Keep doing dream no more ig
If ur on pc there's maybe a mod that lets u fight normal radiance
WHAT IS TS BRO
Heheheheh
you had spoilers or nah ?
A stupid neck hurts
dont worry about it just go
eh not really
I hate him
alr
you dont have anything to worry about
i hope so
Wait 112% includes all pantheons right thats what i thought I havent done all pantheons yet someone tell me
i beat p4 yay!
Peak
Ja ich bin deutsch
Good how many tries (i need 4)
hmm
i died once for traitor lord
then one more for white defender
i won on the third try
gg
sadge
yea nah im dead already
Its gonna be fine bruh
Huh
the thing killed me
ion understand its attack pattern 😭
Its mostly gonna charge at u than spread the blobs
WAIT GODHOME IS SO FUN WHY DIDNT I FIND THIS SOONER I CANJUST RE FIGHT BOSSES WHENEVER I WANT TO
yea how do i avoid the charge thing he do
jump over it?
See the gaps of the arena?
there are gaps??
U can just stay there if he charged and just jump over he charges back
eh
The curse of being an overthinker
The craziest thing i did was path of pain. Who did also path of pain
Me
You should try path of happiness.
I thought that u get like an achivement but u get nothing( i ragequited)
I don't think he knew radiance even existed originally
Yes
nobody likes radiance
But also .would you want a wife as jealous as radiance of followers
I like the musik of radiance and learnt them on piano
Favorite boss is sisters of battle and character is zote
Favourite boss any/absrad favourite character godseeker
Favourite area godhome
Nahh i think withe palace is the best with all that bastdard saws
Best area kingdoms edge
real
Favorite power:shadow dash
normal dash 🙏
Double jump goated
No shadow dash is way better and cooler
Also shadow dash and double jump
Fireball
No not that good
Cause I like fireball skips even though I can't do them
Best spell is ofc abyss shriek
I mean yeah no shit
It's simpler to set up than dark fluke
Eh mid
Ddarks better. Spell rankings fireball Ddark ddive shriek shade soul wraiths
Don't think so
Abyss shriek is better if you are better at the game
Where can i get the dark fireball
Actually I'm certain it doesn't
Ddark is a crutch spell for players to use on hard to dodge moves
Explore city of tears
Abyss shriek and shade fireball apply the best damage
Soul sanctum i believe
Try anyrad without ddark
Let's you hit more often as you can hit during iframes
Doesn’t make it the best spell it just makes you worse at the game I’m not saying I’m any better but logically abyss shriek is best
It also positions you down so you can’t hit some flying bosses as quick
What is your graphics card
Mine is the RTX 5060 TI 16GB
Me included
Okay regardless. More optimal with perfect play doesn't mean better
With perfect play you don't need any spells
Actually it does but for low skill gameplay Ddark is best
Yes i am german
But with perfect play abyss shriek is the spell that damages the most making it the best
Low to medium I should say
Honestly even higher
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No... I don't see why. It just makes it better for a perfect player. That's not better thats more optimal. The perfect player doesn't need spells anyway so I don't think their best use should have more weight
At that level more optimal means it’s better that’s the idea of optimization I’d say
Unless of course it's a boss that you can't get close to a load of the time
That is true in which I’d say it’s shadow fireball
Or you could Ddark and get nail hits in as well
guys im at 109% what do i do to get more?
At optimal gameplay you could really stay close to any boss if you wanted too
wait did you say DDark was best only for low skill gameplay?
chat how do i dodge radkoth in phase 2?
Honestly it’s best for any gameplay that’s non optimal
all charms p1 and p5 all grubs
IMO
optimal in which way
Prefect dodging and highest DPS
The idea of optimisation is finding the best solution for skilled players. I do not agree with giving the best players more weight when deciding what's best.
stay on the top platforms and try to dodge almost by jumping, try to avoid large movements between platforms if possible
i did nkg what dream boses?
I think the both weights can exist at the same time and be considered
In terms of whats best for them compared to what's best for worse players
And honestly should be considered
gmhkmain
so optimal in one specific way
Yes
the problem is he always gets close to me, so i jump away, then he summons a sword in me as i fall
||failed champion, soul tyrant,lost kin||
In most situations Ddark is better
But I can’t say that it’s always the best
Cus it just isn’t
But this does mean that more optimal does not mean better
and that way being speedkills
ok the lost kin i did but whats the last part?
I don’t think that makes sense at all
Well
try not to move downwards between platforms unless a sword has just spawned
you mean in god home?
Honestly. What's great is every spell has its chance to shine
oh, ok, ill try that
bruh
Did you killed Nightmare king grimm
yup
And no eyes
yup
Not c dash 
c dash isn't a spell
Not a spell. It's a movement ability that helps in speedruns
GREY PRINCE ZOTE IS GAY
You right
NUH UH
Yeah all spells are goated
so ima do zote then
Cdash also has its chance to shine. Even in combat if you hate orbs enough
But Zote the Mighty in Colloseum of fools is goated
I got the desolate dive skill now, how do I get to the second part of city of tears? I already did sanctum
Explore. You have to go around I pretty sure
Well I got lumafly lantern so I guess I can do waterways now unfortunately
For any older person this is hard BUT FOR THE CHAMPION OF FOOLS EVERYTHING IS EASY
Is dung defender really the boss of waterways he's too eady
Does kingdoms edge work. I can't remember
Sy
Trevor treefort is good
With tram, to get to city of tears you go via deepnest, not kedge
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
Get up in basin and up
On steel soul
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
AFTER 10 FUCKING HOURS
THE HELL IS OVER
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
how
GET GUD MARKOTH
Or you go one further to kingdoms edge. Seems just as valid a route to me.
gg
use nailarts and master pogoing
im shaking rn...
He had the power of zote
My strategy was mop and longnail. Then hope he stops next to a platform I can combo him on. (Luck required for mine)
and i only have 2 hard radiants now..
What do u want
Markoth+pantheon 5=GAY
But that’s a huge detour 
2?
how did u not to gorb yet
As if deepnest wasn't
i have a deep skill issue regarding oro and mato
making gorb look like an end boss 😭
Gorb & gorb 
i beat them in order
You do know you need to get tram pass right? 
Anyway you still climb up roughly same height
WHY DO YOU DONT HAVE PURE VESSEL RADIANT HE IS SOOOO EASY
i beat them in order
Oh ok
Yeah. I'm saying a bit further isn't insane after already going through deepnest
1
From cot
gorb is the only hard one left
knowing me, oro and mato will take more time than absrad
I want to have NKG Radiant
I got 1700 geos what do I buy, I just got lumafly lantern
I habe im just on sublime
that’s not happening
that boss is the 2nd hardest boss in the game for me if we dont count arena variations
P5
You need to get up in kedge until king’s station level to even be able to go to city - without some abilities you may not even make it
why am i fighting tiso in p5 lol
Uhh
nvm
Wait you done anyrad cool
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Hey lune
hiiiii
i didnt upload my r5 yet
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