hk-discussion

[worn hamlet]

the nail attack is one of his best telegraphed attacks.....

[silver spoke]

used to be hard for me because I didnt know you could keep failed champion stunned

[worn hamlet]

you're talking abt the wobbling nail attack correct

[tribal gust]

why lol

[languid gale]

that makes sense tho

[crisp willow]

I dunno- it fucked up my mood thats for sure

[tribal gust]

hello macaron enjoyer

[worn hamlet]

L exploit

[alpine ibex]

Yes, and i dont understand why you find that a telegraphed attack, oh yes its easy to dodge IF at range

[worn hamlet]

hoi smzone :D

[worn hamlet]

so you're literally admitting to having an issue with reaction time

[tribal gust]

then befriend sumone else, like macaron enjoyer

[worn hamlet]

funnn

[fiery trench]

I can finally swim.

[tribal gust]

how are you my friend 😄

[alpine ibex]

but if you are moving/in the air, you can get easily fucked by a nail attack right where you are falling

[silver spoke]

hot take NKG is not even that bad

[worn hamlet]

pretty good!

[tribal gust]

rythmic fight, if you have no rythm you die, simple

[crisp willow]

Saying this about the best boss is wimd

[worn hamlet]

cold take

[alpine ibex]

the reaction time in some cases is very narrow

[subtle glacier]

common take

[crisp willow]

Helo, u has macaron?

[subtle glacier]

get better takes

[silver spoke]

I love NKG but it is honestly average in difficulty

[tribal gust]

bro getting right into action

[shrewd meadow]

better takes like markoth takes patience not skill

[worn hamlet]

im confusion are u asking how im doing here?

[worn hamlet]

✅

[tribal gust]

thats great

[worn hamlet]

yee

how bout u?

[tribal gust]

yee

[tribal gust]

im waiting for steam to gimme money for selling a skin

so pretty good

[crisp willow]

Hru/whatcha doin

[tribal gust]

sldo i got blessed with a gift so even better

[fiery trench]

I’ve now done 3 wingless skip and twice did it give me a charm notch. Yay

[tribal gust]

she wants to befriend you cuz i told her your a chill person

yes

😄

[worn hamlet]

ohh lol

[crisp willow]

can u check dm for a sec

[worn hamlet]

:o

[tribal gust]

okay

[tribal gust]

😮 ?

[worn hamlet]

ngl idk how to describe the reason I went :o there ._.

I just kinda did for some reason

has :o become a stim for me? ._.

[fiery trench]

alr, I can do colo 1 for 2 cost flukenest and colo 2 for 26 geo

[tribal gust]

i have one question to you

[crisp willow]

Do you know how to abuse the shit out of flukenest

[fiery trench]

no

[tribal gust]

how do oyu do those ":o" and ":D" without turning it to emojis

[crisp willow]

Fuck.

[worn hamlet]

there's a setting idk where it is on mobile tho

if u use the discord website tho I could help u

[crisp willow]

Go to settings in discord, find chat, go to "emot turns into emojo" or somethin similar, turn it off

[keen thorn]

Hi

[worn hamlet]

so apparently

[tribal gust]

ahhhhhhhhhh then nah i thought you can do that with like idk some "*" or smth

[worn hamlet]

according to google ai

though this setting might only appear on the desktop/browser version, syncing the change to mobile, or you can use a backslash \ before the emoticon (e.g., :)) or a space to cancel the auto-complete.

[tribal gust]

hi

[crisp willow]

Genio!!!

[worn hamlet]

the setting isn't on mobile but this method apparently lets u do the same thing

[worn hamlet]

hoi genio!

[crisp willow]

Hello coolr person with cool takes on chamrs

[worn hamlet]

:D

[rapid osprey]

Is Lumafly safe ?

[keen thorn]

Wrong like always lol

[worn hamlet]

loll yeap

quite unsurprising

[keen thorn]

Almost all the modding work is done open source, this means everyone can read the code so hiding malware is super difficult

[worn hamlet]

tbh I just thought it might not exist bc I've had so much trouble in the past finding the setting on mobile

[keen thorn]

And the community makes sure it's safe

[keen thorn]

Yeah fr

[crisp willow]

Genio

[worn hamlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1155583360937238649/1421694569120137276/ezgif-8f6e449e584fb6.gif

[crisp willow]

They bullied me for calling grimmchild bad yesterday

[tribal gust]

why are you surprised

[worn hamlet]

umm

grimmchild is cute

[tribal gust]

calling grimchild bad is like stabbing us

all

[crisp willow]

Can u elaborate on why melody is better than grimmchild

[worn hamlet]

but not good ._.

wait a min

[tribal gust]

both of those are bad but at least grimmchild is the goat

[crisp willow]

Oh waiy

I have done an essay abiut this already

[worn hamlet]

wait what I wanna read this

[keen thorn]

HK main be like

[tribal gust]

you aint using none of that anyways so just take cuter charm

[crisp willow]

#hk-discussion message

[keen thorn]

0.00001 > 0

[worn hamlet]

tbh my biggest annoyance is just the fact that grimmchild hits out of staggers where I wanna heal

[crisp willow]

Melody is a solid charm imo

[tribal gust]

if you use one of those charms ur good enough probably to play half charmless

[worn hamlet]

yeah makes enough sense to me

[crisp willow]

Out of meta, but decent

Like sharpshadow

[worn hamlet]

but just for the record that's a paragraph not an essay lol

[keen thorn]

It's just too expensive and outclassed, and it's nature as RNG makes it even less reliable
Most of the time if you need tanking heart does a much better job

[worn hamlet]

not like sharpshadow

[vocal crypt]

Meow

[keen thorn]

Although it's not useless

[worn hamlet]

sharpshadow is both out of the meta and weak ;-;

[keen thorn]

And carefree has a niche in unfair battles

[crisp willow]

Melody is weak too geniusz

[keen thorn]

Also comboes well with baldur

[worn hamlet]

[keen thorn]

That's why carefree is actually decent in anyrad

But that's like, really it

[worn hamlet]

brain is not braining today ._.

[keen thorn]

It's not useless, just outlcassed

[noble ruin]

It's mid rahh

[keen thorn]

Which happens to a lot of charms really

[worn hamlet]

true

[crisp willow]

The baldur's melody (i named it that ok??) Is a good comb for modded bosses

[silver spoke]

guess the tier list

[keen thorn]

Radiant

[noble ruin]

It's cheating rahh

[worn hamlet]

imo alot of it is bc of the existence of the combo of qslash and sbody

[keen thorn]

[fiery trench]

ur fun with bosses

[noble ruin]

That's like very niche

[worn hamlet]

the entire meta except for flukenest, which is rather niche, is built around those

[crisp willow]

More like difficulty

[keen thorn]

True lol

[noble ruin]

Difficulty

[silver spoke]

not quite

[keen thorn]

Yeah

But Baldur is hard to use well

[strong skiff]

Oh clover

[silver spoke]

but you are o nthe right track

[tribal gust]

no but soul warrior should be higher (nice design)

[keen thorn]

And honestly you're better off trying to learn the fight

[noble ruin]

Hi roma

[keen thorn]

Unless it's anyrad

[worn hamlet]

you know what would be so cool

[crisp willow]

Its about difficulty

[fiery trench]

Wat?

[keen thorn]

Still strength is superior

[silver spoke]

difficulty of radianting bosses

[tribal gust]

person (maybe) made me laugh lol

[crisp willow]

The ew charm

[strong skiff]

Bros first time seeing hitblxes

[worn hamlet]

what if someone modded in different charms that would warp the meta around them sorta like qslash+sbody but using it to change the gameplay in an entirely different way

[worn hamlet]

well anyrad is anyrad

[keen thorn]

Markoth in S is either 🗿 fun or difficulty

[worn hamlet]

anyrad exists outside normal parameters

[fiery trench]

real

[noble ruin]

We get it you're a freak

[strong skiff]

Ok sonia

[crisp willow]

Its fixed now yk

[worn hamlet]

but actually like would this be at all feasible

[keen thorn]

You're just like Sonia

[crisp willow]

A what?

[silver spoke]

difficulty of radianting the boss

[keen thorn]

Lmao

[noble ruin]

What does the new one look like

[crisp willow]

Who??? Huh?

[strong skiff]

The update is fake

[languid gale]

who is sonia

[strong skiff]

🔥

[fiery trench]

its in beta

[crisp willow]

Elaborate-?

[strong skiff]

Idt debug exists yet

[worn hamlet]

sonia's a longtime person who used to be a frequent hkmainer

[fiery trench]

@knotty ravine

[tribal gust]

you dont know sonia?

[alpine ibex]

GPZ that low?

[keen thorn]

@knotty ravine We caught your alt

[languid gale]

no

[noble ruin]

Just walk into it over and over to check smh

[strong skiff]

Lmao

[worn hamlet]

server member*

the frick does longtime person mean ;-;

[silver spoke]

I already beat all 10 forms of GPZ right before I attempted radiant GPZ so I may be a bit biased

[crisp willow]

Fellow gal hates strength too?!?!?!?!

SUCH A COOL PERSON

[keen thorn]

Ok Sonia, stop the self glaze

[noble ruin]

This is definitely sonua

[tribal gust]

strengh is overrated its too strong

but i dont hate it

[crisp willow]

finnnneeeee, you caught me

[worn hamlet]

lollll

[keen thorn]

Yeah makes sense

[strong skiff]

Wait fr😭

[worn hamlet]

ig so

[naive dew]

ROMAAA

GENIOO

hellooo

[tribal gust]

overrated hype nail build are mostlly borin

[noble ruin]

Melon

[strong skiff]

It gave strong sonia vibes but damn

[proud tree]

guys i have a question about achievements

[crisp willow]

I hate it cuz it changes like nothing gameplay/interaction wise

[keen thorn]

Waitt

[crisp willow]

Shoot

[silver spoke]

not mine it was a random tier list

[tribal gust]

so true

[noble ruin]

The enemies die faster that's a change imo

[tribal gust]

if you want sweaty radiant its a must but except that

[keen thorn]

Guess the tier list

[tribal gust]

gameplay wise of casual ppl its boring

[noble ruin]

How much you like them cause you're weird

[strong skiff]

We need ieg bosses tierlist

[tribal gust]

fragile strengh at least was breaking

[crisp willow]

Thats not an onteraction change, i want a charm to change something visible

Like how even the simplest charms allow you to do something in-advance against an enemy/bods

[keen thorn]

Close

[crisp willow]

How weird yoy are? /unsrs

[tribal gust]

brother....

[keen thorn]

That's true also

[tribal gust]

so real

[proud tree]

so i played it on all achievements on xbox and i sold my xbox but i got my safe files on my pc
after i startet the game i got like 40 achievements at once and only have (on steam) 6 minutes playtime
and my question now: would i get in trouble for this?

[alpine ibex]

Unbreakable really only does a mechanical difference against ascended+ collector if for some reason you arent using cyclone

[tribal gust]

mantis lords that low? OBBLOBLES THAT HIGH?

[alpine ibex]

outside of that, i dont have anything

godhome that is

i guess its useful in col 2 & 3 too

[knotty ravine]

Let me listen to shit in peace girl I do not know her ass!!

[keen thorn]

Sonia came

[noble ruin]

What counts for that

[knotty ravine]

but yes fuck strength

[tribal gust]

she still ur twin

[crisp willow]

Oh- thats a bit too techical for me

[keen thorn]

Don't try to deny it

[silver spoke]

I have no idea this can be literally anything

[keen thorn]

Nah

[knotty ravine]

if I had an alt yall would already know

[keen thorn]

This is how fun they are Nail 0 white spells all bindings (ascended arena)

[knotty ravine]

but yall r hashtag newgens ig

[tribal gust]

sure buddy dont try to hide ur unknown alt

[silver spoke]

WHY TF IS MARKOTH IN S

[proud tree]

okii thank you
i just wanted to ask bcs it really looks sus if you look at this screenshot

[crisp willow]

Strnehgt just actively boosts a stat of you, nothing else

Another meta charm, quickslash for example: allow you to hit in spots you previosly could not

[knotty ravine]

uhh I’d argue out absrad higher

[crisp willow]

Hello cool person who hates the ew charm

[knotty ravine]

cuz we have charms

[fiery trench]

Tr arena time
either gonna be a quick kill or kill me multiple times

[knotty ravine]

well I still think you should bump absrad up one regardless

[keen thorn]

Is that to me?

[knotty ravine]

Mhm

[keen thorn]

It's 04 Sonia, no charms

[knotty ravine]

oh I saw onws nvm

we agree

[keen thorn]

No, 04

Onws AbsRad is S yeah

[knotty ravine]

ohh it’s cuz u listed it all out nvm

[keen thorn]

Lol

[knotty ravine]

I just assumed you named out onws and didn’t bother

ok

[keen thorn]

It's fun

[silver spoke]

people like markoth

what pshycopaths

[noble ruin]

Strength lets you one shot enemies you previously could not like that's a difference is it not?

[knotty ravine]

exactly exactly

qs opens up shit

[fiery trench]

dw. you will be one too

[crisp willow]

It is a stat diffrence, not an interaction diffrence

[keen thorn]

I made something Sonia, I want you to see it

[crisp willow]

Lmao

[knotty ravine]

im ok with qs being top 1 because that shit is fun and good

[noble ruin]

Attack speed increase is a stat difference

[knotty ravine]

and enables shit

[crisp willow]

Nail go brrr is fun

[silver spoke]

ive already done RADHOG I dont think I will ever be that level of pshycopath as to enjoy fighting markoth

[alpine ibex]

bruh, was about to do 50% radiant markoth, then i forget to actually use dash on time to get within range & dodge shield

[keen thorn]

Most were a bit lightheaded

[fiery trench]

just wait till u start doing modded bosses

[crisp willow]

Stat and oppurtinity diffrence, with qslash you can attack in spots youvpreviously couldnt

Example being the whole ass whitedegender fight

[knotty ravine]

that has visible interactions with how you play the game. for example this interacts with how you use soul, your movement, what charms you want by a noticeable amount, etc

[tribal gust]

Casually markoth was good, but not attuned/radiant

[alpine ibex]

Void heart should be neutral unskilled

[silver spoke]

only modded boss I have done is Inferno king grim the hard mode I forgot what it was called

[crisp willow]

Send link, PLS

PLEASE

[noble ruin]

Strength makes you more likely to use quickslash, it means you can one shot minions in collector, you can one shot enemies in other fights meaning youre not as reliant on spells to kill them. That's a gameplay difference

[keen thorn]

Voidheart is just covering all the dupes I accidentally put inside and couldn't remove later lol

[knotty ravine]

I’d scoot QS and shaman a little higher but yeah I generally agree I think

I’d scoot baldur a tiny bit to the right

[knotty ravine]

while true, not as big

[fiery trench]

I couldve gotten wings this entire time.
I just needed 6 grubs.
I had six grubs by the time I cleared out crossroads.
… I hate these small fucks

[crisp willow]

It's still an unfun charm, and it changes nothing visually likse Sonia said

[silver spoke]

I feel like quick slash is a bit on the unskilled side because it is really easy to use

[keen thorn]

Shaman is just a stat increase too really
Above strength tho because spells require you to at least use spells

[noble ruin]

Why is void heart detrimental and skillful

[keen thorn]

@noble ruin

[knotty ravine]

i also think strength just is not good for the game

[noble ruin]

Turn around cancels take skill still

[keen thorn]

QS I put in the middle because it has like two sides

[knotty ravine]

the way it exists now

[keen thorn]

Super low skill floor but super high skill ceiling

[crisp willow]

Remove strength and shaman stone and wolla the whole ass charm system is twice as better

[keen thorn]

Not as low of a skill floor as like strength but still llow

[knotty ravine]

yeaa which is why I generally agree but I still think it at least makes you learn good spell usage on higher ends

[bold turret]

i would have put shaman stone a little higher on the skill axis because of the doubles

[knotty ravine]

but maybe that’s just the nature of spells

[noble ruin]

Elegy is skillful cause you have to not get hit to use it properly

[keen thorn]

You could do that without shamans, the charm being an incentive for the player to learn a game mechanic better doesn't really impact it imo
But I agree with that yes

[silver spoke]

honestly steady body doesnt take really any skill but I guess to be fair you have to adapt ever so slightly

[bold turret]

and spore shroom can be skillful too

[noble ruin]

Yeah I'd say steady body isn't skillful

[knotty ravine]

disagree a bit on shamans due to damage values but yeah

[strong skiff]

Shamanless vs>shaman vs>shade soul>shade soul shaman
In order of skill required

[silver spoke]

I mean you have to adapt to the difference in movement

[knotty ravine]

fair

[knotty ravine]

that’s fair

[noble ruin]

I mean I did that after 20 minutes after having not used it for the previous 60 hours of the game I had played it's not that hard

[knotty ravine]

I guess im thinking of it more like

[keen thorn]

It has a high skill floor to actually have the power it gives out

Just not walking into enemies is not really using the value it gives

[alpine ibex]

increased shade soul size does matter from time to time

[noble ruin]

Don't hold forward if they don't take kB and hold forward if they do?

[knotty ravine]

for example shaman in onws further encourages you to find spots you can hit screams and dives on

[silver spoke]

why is grubsong on the op side it barely even does anything

[knotty ravine]

and ig that’s how im also viewing it generally

[keen thorn]

Being able to not hold forward is not why SB is S tier

[crisp willow]

I mean- yeah- but shaman stone could be just a one charm or two notch chaem that incearsed the size, and not the damage. Or incrasw the damage in a reasonable amount

I dunno im sory i have a bit radical takes on these two charms

[keen thorn]

It gives insane passive value for no cost

[crisp willow]

#hk-discussion message

[noble ruin]

That doesn't make it hard to use tho

[keen thorn]

It's almost half the heal

[noble ruin]

1 notch but true

[silver spoke]

your health??? thats a lot of damage tanking

[knotty ravine]

no no it’s fine I think it’s interesting

[bold turret]

is sprintmaster that skillful ?

[keen thorn]

Part of my ranking for the skill scale is about using it effectively, not just have it on for convenience

[crisp willow]

It require you to have instincts and fast reaction time for it to be useful so yeah

[knotty ravine]

oh I didn’t notice I would move sprintmaster a bit to the left

a tad

[crisp willow]

Genio!!! Sned me the link of the tierlist!!!

[noble ruin]

Sprint master is nice imo it helps with dps a bit and makes some attacks that you move to dodge a bit more lenient

[alpine ibex]

aww dangnabbit, got radiant markoth to 15% health

[keen thorn]

15 soul is 45% of what you need to heal it back

[alpine ibex]

then got hit by shield spin

[keen thorn]

If you want to see it that way

[alpine ibex]

was a bit too eager to use spells

[keen thorn]

It gives a boost for going down so you can get back up

[noble ruin]

Like I find it makes getting out of the way of absrad beams or gpz's run much easier

[knotty ravine]

I think im fine with the dmg increase ultimately cuz spells become more balance in lategame in fullgear

where they get outscaled

[silver spoke]

fury of the fallen has to be the hardest charm to use because you have to go down to one hp to be able to use it and normally people die right after they get down to one hp

[keen thorn]

Oh sorry

[alpine ibex]

Unless pantheons though

[crisp willow]

[bold turret]

don't know if i would move sharpshadow up or down, because it can allow for some super nice stuff but is also for beginners that can't unequip it

[noble ruin]

Doing a boss hitless is easier than using flukes to their full potential imo

[alpine ibex]

then you can just cheese lol

just gotta be good enough to do hitless as much as possible

[knotty ravine]

ik im being annoying to everyone else here im not sorry but @crisp willow I want you to take a peep at this as well as smth else in a second

[keen thorn]

https://tiermaker.com/create/hollow-knight-charms-3252

[noble ruin]

Is this purely for boss fights

Cause otherwise sharp shadow is pretty high skill for platforming

[keen thorn]

Fury is hitless but easier
Flukes is a whole new playstyle based on fast movements and quick windows to act

[verbal pasture]

Truth

[fiery trench]

do I agree with ur take on strength: no
are you wrong: also no

[keen thorn]

Yes

[knotty ravine]

@crisp willow other thing

[crisp willow]

Uwaa soul cather lover!?!??!?!! Yay!!!!!!

WGrub-song is higher tho imo-

Sprint master is also as niche/gud as grubsong i belive
Ans thank you for hating on Elegy

[noble ruin]

Sonia stop glazing yourself with your alt

[knotty ravine]

hi levee

[silver spoke]

unbreakable heart literally has no skill why is it in the center

[knotty ravine]

off my dick godDAMN

[keen thorn]

Yeah that's a miss

[keen thorn]

Sprintmaster is so good, if dash is not a thing

Dash really just outclassed it

But dashless it makes up for it so much

[verbal pasture]

I cant tell if you actually think dashmaster is one of the best godhome charms at this point you’ve been defending it for too long no sane person can troll this consistently

[austere grail]

Finally time to do the one task I hadn't done before playing Silksong: Colo3 for 112% on Steel Soul

[shrewd meadow]

bro is speaking my ideology of dashless

[magic glacier]

hes been doing dashless r5 i think

[austere grail]

now there's actually nothing left in this game

[silver spoke]

I think grim child is a bit worse because it actively sabotoges you in fog canyon

[shrewd meadow]

yes

[fiery trench]

gl, u got that

[autumn ice]

doing dashless r5 over rs4

[keen thorn]

Yes

[north charm]

same ish 😭

[keen thorn]

Yes

[austere grail]

thanks I already did it :P

[dull leaf]

not sigma enough

[autumn ice]

ah did i tell you that i got a 5 hit

[fiery trench]

ah. Well guess I was right in u having thaf

[crisp willow]

I really really really like this- have no idea to change it- u and ye friend cooked well

[austere grail]

your luck retroactively helped lol

[autumn ice]

and 2-2-6 distance

[bold turret]

i think dashmaster deserves that ranking as the list accounts for modded bosses (also, i love that charm and am addicted to it)

[keen thorn]

RS4?!

[autumn ice]

ya

[keen thorn]

That's insane

[verbal pasture]

It’s really not that good for modded bosses

[noble ruin]

You'll beat ascended absrad one day I believe in you

[autumn ice]

ty

[noble ruin]

What's that

[verbal pasture]

The one it’s best in literally changes the games code to give you infinite dashes midair

[autumn ice]

i have not dared to go into that fight for so long

idk if i can do it

[austere grail]

oh there is still ascended and radiant bosses, I forgot those existed

[bold turret]

fair

[rose peak]

HI GUYS

[north charm]

hi!

[keen thorn]

P5 on Silksong

[verbal pasture]

Past 3.0 (and quasar since it’s a nerfed version of 3.0) it’s only really ikg and aikg cause their balloon attacks require it

[rose peak]

YAYYY

[autumn ice]

that's s4, rs4 is hitless

at least with the terminology i made up lol

[karmic night]

😭

4 days

Non stop

[rose peak]

Quasar 1st and 2nd is absolutely insane istg

[rose peak]

Dam

[bold turret]

i guess i just defend dashmaster because i like it
i used it for infinity but thats all

[shy patio]

Grey prince zote is so hard holy

[karmic night]

I thought yeah sure it will prolly take like 10 hours max

[rose peak]

Nah

[north charm]

keep on practicing

he becomes really really easy after

[karmic night]

Finally

I can be relieved

[knotty ravine]

can’t remember if I used it for inf pv

maybe I did

no I used it

[karmic night]

Now time for silksong

[knotty ravine]

cuz u can chase it during certain attacks easier

[crisp willow]

@knotty ravine . What woukd you think of a synergy between deepfocus and Joni's blessing?

Maybe it could do like a sporeshroom thing, but instead of killing the enemies, it infects them and makes them fight for you? Doubling their health, and speed and damage dealt to others

But also makes it so healing takes 33% more time than the original deepfpcus time-

And also when there are less thsn 3 enemis in a near by area, it summons 3 lifeblood ghosts, who do aravage damage with avarage speed and health?

:3

[north charm]

clueless 👀 @autumn ice

[shy patio]

Currently on level 4

[karmic night]

16€

Can someone gameshare with me

[north charm]

oh in that sense.

[karmic night]

[autumn ice]

i'd just say that gpz is pretty consistently one of the hardest bosses in the game

[north charm]

oh cool

[north charm]

nah

his only annoying "attack" is probably his walk

that took care of half of my rad runs

and i had 4 before beating him 😭

[autumn ice]

idk zote can be pretty damn annoying when you can corner him

[north charm]

yeah annoying that is

true

[autumn ice]

i can tell you that he's one of the biggest threats in p5ab and r5

[north charm]

but difficulty wise its pretty average

[verbal pasture]

Greetings Geronimo

[north charm]

oh that is for sure

definitely

[autumn ice]

yeah so why are we claiming that he's easy

[autumn ice]

greetings levi

[shy patio]

I really hate when people claim something is easy when someone else is struggling like its their fight not yours 😭

[leaden charm]

I DID IT

I CAN FINALLY SAY I BEAT PATH OF PAIN

[verbal pasture]

Greetings nameless one

[north charm]

relatively easy... overall base game as a boss no modifiers

[junior bone]

I GOT PURE VESSEL ON RADIANT

[autumn ice]

relative to what

because i wouldn't say he's easy relative to the other bosses still

[silver spoke]

guess this tier list

[autumn ice]

if you're not dying to gpz what are you even dying to

[knotty ravine]

uhh I think with grubsong it’s just for one notch I can simply equip a good charm yk. 15 soul isn’t that much tbh and you can very much just hit the guy instead in iframes. the one time I think it’s fine (rad fights) you’re using those iframes to reposition but you only get half efficiency cuz double dmg

[autumn ice]

like markoth absrad what else

[north charm]

i feel like he is the baseline tbh

[shy patio]

Less to most racist

[silver spoke]

no

[north charm]

markoth im dying more than absrad

[fiery trench]

what?

[knotty ravine]

sprintmaster it’s just what do I gain from it

[noble ruin]

Sly is a bigot

[autumn ice]

that's not relevant to what i'm asking

[worn hamlet]

crutch for dodging

[knotty ravine]

I can dash or simply position better, and that’s good for every guy

[north charm]

or yk what nvm

[crisp willow]

Yeaah- and grubsong also gets less produtcive the better you get in da game

[knotty ravine]

ALSO it doesn’t work in the sky. where you are at a lot of the time

[worn hamlet]

or extremely specific spacing

[knotty ravine]

yeaaahh

[north charm]

just dont take damage 👀

[shy patio]

Why did you appear out of nowhere

[crisp willow]

What i can think of it is sly's finale phase, or traitor lord

[worn hamlet]

bc it allows you to dodge a lot of attacks simply by walking where otherwise you'd need a dash

[knotty ravine]

because note that lowk that tierlist is like hidden 700 hour thoughts tierlist

[worn hamlet]

those're its only uses that I can think of

[crisp willow]

Woh..

[alpine ibex]

thats enough rad markoth attempts for now, did what i wanted, completed P5 (4th try overall)

[silver spoke]

...... it was size

[bold turret]

biggest to smallest ?

[shy patio]

Oh

[knotty ravine]

sly is a use I think icl, didn’t think abt that. You can just hit tl in iframes still regardless

[worn hamlet]

it's also a 1-notch charm idk why ur expecting it to be as good as shaman stone or smth

[knotty ravine]

either way, that’s too niche for me

[worn hamlet]

and imo dwielder and sbody are overpowered

[shy patio]

In that case radiance should be lower because she's in the hollow knight's little head

[crisp willow]

I am happy with my nail master's glory, qslash builds

[worn hamlet]

there's a reason the sbody equivalent in ss has a nerf

[knotty ravine]

im not really expecting it to. but it could at least be usable

[keen thorn]

Levitings Levi

[knotty ravine]

a reason to run it ever

I do not think there is a reason

[worn hamlet]

it is usable, just much much more niche than the other 1 notch charms

[alpine ibex]

eh, dwielder is not really useful against a decent amount of bosses, simply because you DONT get the chance to hit em with it

[knotty ravine]

all you have to do is make it work in the sky

[verbal pasture]

Get on 🐊

[knotty ravine]

and it becomes an option

[keen thorn]

No

[worn hamlet]

true, but it's good against far more than smaster

[verbal pasture]

Okie 👍

[silver spoke]

size compared to the knight or something I dont know how to make it make sense

[worn hamlet]

well then what is mop used for

[keen thorn]

You actually do
The issue is Quickslash is better

Like always

[worn hamlet]

genuinely how does mop increase your dps

[crisp willow]

Chat, memory question

Who is the person in h.k who we can attack, but not kill?

[keen thorn]

Again, good in a vacuum, but outclassed

[keen thorn]

Bardoon's butt

[silver spoke]

it is a really good range helper

[worn hamlet]

why are we comparing a 1 notch charm to a 3 notch charm

[crisp willow]

that was quick

[bold turret]

one of the reasons it's good is because you get a chance to dnail bosses you usually couldn't

[worn hamlet]

you can also just get good at spacing

[autumn ice]

uumuu ereasure what the helly

[keen thorn]

It's really the fact Quickslash is so dominant you should always use it

[silver spoke]

but it allows for more free hits

[tepid stone]

Can I crystal dash to the other side

[light snow]

that bitchass scanner

[keen thorn]

That's why Quickslash and strength can outclass charms outside of their cost

[light snow]

svsmmer

[alpine ibex]

you'll die

[north charm]

try it out

[worn hamlet]

why does quickslash's dominance make it a part of the meta

[light snow]

scsmmet

[worn hamlet]

that is what I don't understand

[crisp willow]

A what

[light snow]

the fuckin banker

[alpine ibex]

See that tower? Go enter it

[crisp willow]

OHHH MBELL

[light snow]

I hate her

[tepid stone]

I love the return on investment she gave me

[silver spoke]

it allows for hits you cant do before

[tepid stone]

Very great rates!

[keen thorn]

The meta on a game is centered around what is really strong, what comboes with it, and what doesn't.
The meta always shifts around what is strong

[worn hamlet]

give me an example please

[exotic furnace]

does spirit glades give any essence

[alpine ibex]

qslash can do essentially double damage, and soul in many situations

[silver spoke]

pure vessel

[light snow]

y es a

[silver spoke]

spike attack

[alpine ibex]

where regular slash would not allow you to

[worn hamlet]

ok, and why does mop combo well with qs

[exotic furnace]

i need 250

[keen thorn]

If quick focus was even more overpowered charms that combo well with it would surge a lot

[exotic furnace]

to awaken dream nail

[worn hamlet]

where in the pure vessel fight can you get an extra hit from mop as opposed to no mop

[knotty ravine]

along with mop being genuinely an elite safety charm, it also enables certain strats and hits

[worn hamlet]

I need specifics here ;-;

[keen thorn]

It doesn't, MoP is just solid and qs doesn't compete with it

[light snow]

go fight gpz or something

[exotic furnace]

where

[worn hamlet]

what strats and hits ;-;

[exotic furnace]

and how

[potent dust]

Can we play hk on mobile?

[exotic furnace]

collo?

[north charm]

yeah

[potent dust]

How

[alpine ibex]

why are you even trying to slash during spike attack? Just do a descending dark or something

[exotic furnace]

piracy

[bold turret]

?tag pirate

[worn hamlet]

oook so back to my question then in what situation does mop allow you to increase your dps

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[autumn ice]

mop is just the best offense based consistency/safety charm in the game

[light snow]

rescue Bretta and get zote back in dirtnouth

[worn hamlet]

if there is none, then it's literally just good for radiant and that's it

which is wildly niche

[silver spoke]

I dont use spells too often

[exotic furnace]

bruh ima just do smth easier

[potent dust]

Ah boy

[crisp willow]

Longer range means less of a need to controm the distance in a higher focus

[knotty ravine]

First thing im thinking of is for example hitting wd a lot easier, there’s also stuff like big spacing with stuff like rad fights

[worn hamlet]

wd?

[alpine ibex]

white defender

his ball throw is nasty, regular nail doenst have the range to avoid it

[knotty ravine]

I haven’t done mop stuff in a long time tbh it blurs in my head

[alpine ibex]

mop does

[worn hamlet]

can u rephrase that I don't understand what ur saying here

[worn hamlet]

but in what situation other than rad fights is mop useful ;-;

[knotty ravine]

the safety is extremely good though, which is the main draw I feel

[worn hamlet]

like just rad fights is crazy niche

[worn hamlet]

man that's anticlimactic

[knotty ravine]

spacing is a very important thing in hk. being able to space better is a very good perk

[exotic furnace]

do i need awaken dreamnail to fight dreamer false knight?

[knotty ravine]

i used it when doing pale prince for example

[north charm]

yeah

[crisp willow]

Mop gives you longer/better range, quickslash pushes the player back by a whole lot,

Combine these two, and you have less of a problem with the knockback that comes from quockslash, thus allowing you to be less focuswd on keeping the distance a safe amount

[rose peak]

No

[worn hamlet]

but usually the things that help spacing, example being sbody, also directly increase your dps

[silver spoke]

also nail spamming on that attack deals more damage

[steady flower]

no

[knotty ravine]

used in inf pv

[north charm]

wait no

nvm

[worn hamlet]

THERE

thank YOU

[knotty ravine]

used to do it for rad bosses before getting more comfortable

[worn hamlet]

that's what I was looking for

[rose peak]

Guys what do you rate quirrel on a scale of 1-10 ro mire idc

[worn hamlet]

so it's basically used to guard yourself against contact damage?

[crisp willow]

10

[knotty ravine]

you’re right. that’s more offensively leaning though if I were to say

[bold turret]

used it for the revenge of the brettor lords, this boss is bad

[autumn ice]

that and any melee based attacks

[worn hamlet]

fair

[knotty ravine]

mop isn’t as good for extra dmg but you do get damage easier and that leads to increased dps at times

[silver spoke]

4 because im a speedrunner and quirrel takes his time

[worn hamlet]

but oh my gosh that makes mop make so much more sense

[autumn ice]

if the enemy can swing their weapon or whatever to hit you it's also easier to get away

[worn hamlet]

yeee exactly

that makes it make so much more sense

[rose peak]

Aw

[worn hamlet]

I might just become an mop user now lmao

or at least occasionally

[autumn ice]

also getting hit less will make it so that you need to heal less which is an indirect dps increase, and will make you live longer so you need less dps

[light snow]

mop is for stupid babies who are afraid to damage tank the boss and fight it over and over again

[serene galleon]

silksong won game of the year in steam awards

[autumn ice]

why would i want to fight hk bosses over and over

[silver spoke]

you are right it is a convienece charm it is so bad that a charm helps you in a video game

[worn hamlet]

why would I want to damage tank when I can just not take damage

[wicked oxide]

because they’re really fun

[keen thorn]

It doesn't boost dps directly, but rather it works as safety and an enabler. In regular P5 casuals can use it as a QoL but shaman would he certainly better.
It shines on stuff like Pale Shadow or R5 where the increased range allows you to hit on easier moments, allowing you to not lose dps without risking getting hit

[worn hamlet]

and man I've already done radhog and I didn't use mop almost at all bc it genuinely didn't feel like it was doing anything

so I think im good to use it now lol

[keen thorn]

It is a control charm, not a dps charm

[light snow]

why wouldn't you

[keen thorn]

Control charms allow you to do more damage easier, that's why they are good

[naive pilot]

hi guys

[worn hamlet]

yee exactly that's the thing grubmother made click in my brain

wait what's pale shadow

[magic glacier]

pv mod

[light snow]

because grubberfly's elegy does mop better if you're not planning on getting hit

[naive pilot]

grubmother...?

[worn hamlet]

elegy sucks

[autumn ice]

[silver spoke]

no it doesnt elegy deals half the damage and gives 0 soul

[light snow]

does not

[exotic furnace]

false champ strat?

[worn hamlet]

this one

[magic glacier]

refer to message above this one

[autumn ice]

if i need a safe long range nail option i will nart

[naive pilot]

yeah, ik her

[worn hamlet]

doesn't give soul on hit and does minimal damage

[autumn ice]

what does elegy do

[light snow]

a true hollow knighter uses NO Soul, No nail art and no charms

[worn hamlet]

you mean a challenge runner

[silver spoke]

Then why are you even talking about charms

[light snow]

turns your nail slashes into projectiles as long as you have max health

[worn hamlet]

shoots ranged attacks when at full hp

[naive pilot]

nail art are useless

[exotic furnace]

false champ is actually ahrd wtf

[knotty ravine]

this is the best option. it isn’t the option you always want but I’d say it’s like qf kinda where if you do equip it it’s very nice

[worn hamlet]

u haven't done rad oblobbles have you

or rad markoth

[tired mountain]

Whats mop

[light snow]

Ok I'm mostly joking here but this is just wrong

[light snow]

mark of pride

[worn hamlet]

yee I'd do it for qol lol

[silver spoke]

any advice for the build

[knotty ravine]

oh I saw one message yea fuck elegy

[autumn ice]

i am aware, i am asking in what way it actually helps you in fights

[knotty ravine]

bad

[tired mountain]

Mop is way better

[autumn ice]

spoilers, not many

[worn hamlet]

looks good to me

[light snow]

:( but I like being a shaman

[tired mountain]

Even if u dont get hit

[potent dust]

Dont get hit

[north charm]

why tf does markoth have contact dmg

[tired mountain]

Literally slices ur dmg in half elegy

[north charm]

thats half my deaths

[bold turret]

they are very good when you don't have charms

[tired mountain]

If he didnt people can just pogo on him

[silver spoke]

shouldnt be an issue I can beat p5 first try every time plus trying to do r5 anyway

[knotty ravine]

I will consult with my Crew

[north charm]

oh wait thats true nvm

makes sense

[worn hamlet]

:o

[potent dust]

[worn hamlet]

gl with that man, ur a stronger hk player than I am

[crisp willow]

Lemme elaborate as of why i think that

Senseful, and comleted hero's journey, and a nice introduce, build up, and authormath
Quirrel is a well-written character because his journey feels natural and meaningful, not forced or dramatic.
His introduction as a calm traveler makes him approachable, and his curiosity immediately gives him depth.
Instead of explaining everything at once, the story lets his past slowly surface through locations and dialogue.
His lost memories create mystery, while also giving a clear reason for his wandering.
As he learns about Monomon, his role in the past becomes clearer, strengthening the build up.
Quirrel’s growth comes from understanding, not power, which makes him feel human.
He chooses responsibility when the time comes, completing his hero’s journey.
The moment he helps release Monomon is his true climax.
The aftermath is quiet and respectful, showing that his purpose is fulfilled.
This balance of introduction, growth, choice, and peaceful ending is why Quirrel is a strongly written character

But again i uh- i kinda like da guy specialy much soo

[north charm]

real

gl

[autumn ice]

if p5 first try every time is something worth mentioning i would look to things that aren't r5 first

[potent dust]

Fr

[autumn ice]

not trying to be discouraging but the gap in difficulty between these things is massive

[light snow]

claps

[silver spoke]

nah ima head straight to r5 and get obliterated

[tired mountain]

Holy yap

[worn hamlet]

I agree with literally all of this

[light snow]

applaused even

[tired mountain]

Allat for the worst character in hollow knight too

[worn hamlet]

absolutely love the logic

[silver spoke]

plus did RADHOG all I have to do is do it all in a row

[crisp willow]

I mean- cry about it?

U didnt even read my reasoning and still comment

[bold turret]

to preserve your sanity, you should do P5AB first

[silver spoke]

that would take 3 hours there is no way any human can complete that

[light snow]

emoji reaction of shame

[north charm]

people have.

exists for a reason!

[bold turret]

P5AB is easier than R5

[silver spoke]

I dont have patience

[autumn ice]

p5ab is also significantly easier than r5

[tired mountain]

Nothing burger of a character i dont need to hear someone yapping about it

[quartz cave]

hkmain ew

[keen thorn]

P5AB is orders of magnitude easier than R5

[autumn ice]

can also just try like r3 r4 sth like that first to test the waters

[crisp willow]

So don't read nor comment about it, adios

[light snow]

bro is just a hater now

[tired mountain]

I will comment on it if ur sending a huge wall of text bro

[bold turret]

then good luck on R5

[silver spoke]

may be easier but I dont have patience for my run to get ended by pv 15 hours end but I'll try it anyway

[tired mountain]

"Yeah just ignore this whole ass text wall that covers the entire screen"

[autumn ice]

being scared of pv in p5ab

ok that's maybe worded a little rudely but

[crisp willow]

Every comment needs a background and point, your comment is pure baseleds dislike towards a mere text about a (subjectively) well written character

[keen thorn]

In some sense R5 is a bigger test of Patience than P5AB

[autumn ice]

pv really is not a major threat at all

it like maybe steals your lifeblood for absrad phase 4

[keen thorn]

Yeah

For PV you have lifeblood

[crisp willow]

P5AB is difficult, and R5 is annoying- my comment :3 /hj

[vernal knot]

Why yall arguing

[silver spoke]

but abs rad is so much scarier

[tribal gust]

Not neccesarily but in most cases yeah

[tired mountain]

My point is hes a nothingburger character my dislike isnt baseless

[autumn ice]

yeah

that's what i'm saying

[crisp willow]

Elaborate

[tired mountain]

Quirrel glaze vs quirrel hate

[north charm]

when we say r5, getting hit with lifeblood counts as a loss right?

[keen thorn]

Both are both difficult and annoying

[vernal knot]

Oh yeah Fuck Quirrel

I hate quirrel

[keen thorn]

Yes

[silver spoke]

abs rad is honestly not even that bad pv takes me hours to beat

[naive pilot]

you change more your name than your interior clorthes

[keen thorn]

No hits at all

[north charm]

is it just me does markoth say "Pale Man" whenever he does his dream shield spinning thing

[crisp willow]

Why so

[vernal knot]

You just changed pfp too

[vernal knot]

I don't like 'em

[autumn ice]

pv doesn't really do anything, in practice getting the lifeblood to the stages where they matter is pretty uncommon i found

[crisp willow]

Why

[tired mountain]

We dont know shit about him he does nothing and dies just pops up randomly zote just did it better bro

[vernal knot]

They are incredibly boring for me

[tired mountain]

Same

[silver spoke]

I also never got the lifeblood

[naive pilot]

yeah....

[crisp willow]

Okay so we are just goung to refuse his diologue, role in lore, and personailty built over a comic and the whole ass game

Anyways

No nedd to further argue

[tired mountain]

Lmaoo

[vernal knot]

Why do you love to shut down fun debates out of the blue

[tired mountain]

Bro comic is like 10 pages

[vernal knot]

For the record I think Kurbaga is being silly by just repeating "He sucks" over and over

[tired mountain]

Whole quirrel lore is like 3 sentences or some shit

[crisp willow]

I am way too tired tk defend nor attack anything

[crisp willow]

Sure, drop topic

[vernal knot]

Your always tired

[vernal knot]

Nah I'll debate him

This seems fun

[vernal knot]

Why do you not like Quirrel Kurbaga

I just got here

[tired mountain]

Nothingburger character

Does nothing

[vernal knot]

But Uumuu

[tired mountain]

We barely know anything abt him

[vernal knot]

Fair

[tired mountain]

Uumu is nothingburger aswell

[silver spoke]

quirrel in my opinion is almost as bad as zote BECAUSE OF UUMUU

[vernal knot]

I mean, isn't that every Dreamer Boss

[light snow]

curse of insomnia

[tired mountain]

Only herrah isnt

[crisp willow]

Shut uup

[light snow]

I'm not BLAMING YOU gosh

[vernal knot]

Doesn't really seem fair to say Uumuu's flaws are Quirrel's fault

As a professional Quirrel hater, he objectively at least does something

[silver spoke]

its quirrels fault for taking so long to stun uumuu

[crisp willow]

[vernal knot]

Unlike myla

[tired mountain]

Dies

[light snow]

you see me online at the same time as you pal you gotta acknowledge the problem much as I do

[vernal knot]

Thank god he does, yeah

[vernal knot]

But sleeping is fun

[tired mountain]

At least with myla we see the infections effect on bugs over time and we are faced to kill her or nah

[crisp willow]

#hk-discussion message

[vernal knot]

Okay?

[light snow]

sure is but there's something calling me not to and that's apparently stronger than my immune system

[silver spoke]

???

[vernal knot]

Moss Vagabond does the same

[crisp willow]

My take on quirrel

[fiery trench]

what time is it for u

[vernal knot]

Yo 🦖

[fiery trench]

wsg

[tired mountain]

I legit forgot what that guy is ig myla was more impactful

[vernal knot]

Darn

Myla sucks more than Quirrel

[tired mountain]

Nah

[light snow]

eh rn 12:43 really not late at all

[vernal knot]

Yuh

[crisp willow]

Not compareable i dont belive

[vernal knot]

PM or AM

[silver spoke]

who???

[vernal knot]

Exactly.

[fiery trench]

oh. Yeah na just stay awake sleeping aint that necessary at that time

[silver spoke]

oh yeah that one npc I forgot about

[tired mountain]

Nothingburger vs nothingburger

One is better though

[vernal knot]

Quirrel Glaze

[crisp willow]

You still havent told me a single pount/base as pf why the dislike towards Quirrel

[light snow]

am

[tired mountain]

I literally told you

[vernal knot]

Did you just change pfp mid chat

You can't just do that.

[light snow]

you wanna watch me do it again?

[crisp willow]

Gal thingies

[knotty ravine]

like it’s cool but I don’t think it would have too much use. this is godhome so there’s not thaat many summons, and the like two times there are you already can’t heal with normal df, let alone an increased time

[vernal knot]

You wouldn't dare

[knotty ravine]

also it’s still Joni’s

[light snow]

oh but I would

[tired mountain]

Zote is the goat of nothingburger npcs then ig its cloth

[knotty ravine]

wait matter of fact I just realized it’s joni

[vernal knot]

Prove it

[knotty ravine]

why the fuck would I heal on jonis and risk my life instead of like popping ki blast

[fiery trench]

could u beat Radiance if u got void heart but not awoken dnail?

[knotty ravine]

it’s a cool idea I just think it’s way too weak to change my opinion on either of those two

[subtle glacier]

hop myla%

[autumn ice]

if you think that pretty much every minor character in hk sucks then maybe you should focus on arguing this more general point rather than getting lost in the specifics

[light snow]

and on the first day of April, God said: let there be teto

[silver spoke]

uh that isnt possible I dont think but yeah???

[north charm]

you need awoken dnail for void heart

[vernal knot]

Teto, ew

[fiery trench]

alr one good thing to make up the fact that I’ve gotten Salubra’s blessing
I hate my life

[crisp willow]

Am i the only person who finds Zote to be a mere joke and not even a real character?

I mean, ye he exists and has mommy/daddy issues ig

But thats also it (i have readen the precets 2 days ago for a lore essay i am currwntly writing)

[fiery trench]

rando

[light snow]

you motherfucker

[vernal knot]

Yuh uh

[north charm]

oh

[tired mountain]

Yes zote is a joke character

But hes the goat

Of nothingburger npcs

[vernal knot]

Can I fact check the Lore Essay

[light snow]

you can't counter me switching profile pictures by doing the same thing I'll still win it

[fiery trench]

Zote’s existence to me is nothing but a output for my anger

[quartz cave]

@keen thorn

[vernal knot]

Do you really want to go band for band

[crisp willow]

Itd around 5600 words currently, there is no way i am allowed to send that here

[vernal knot]

Make it a PDF

[light snow]

grand for grand

[tired mountain]

Quirrel at least fleshes umuu out just a little bit so hes a positive addition to the game

[knotty ravine]

if I were to propose a change, make the heal focused on minions instead

[tired mountain]

But very very glazed for no reason

[crisp willow]

Its incomplite :3 i'll try n remember it when its done

[silver spoke]

honestly the way they designed uumuu is so lame honestly the pantheon version is much more enjoyable

[light snow]

I'm not afraid here, gokai

[vernal knot]

Pantheon Version dies on 5 seconds

[vernal knot]

Nah I'd win

[crisp willow]

Its so fucking cold here

[light snow]

you will PERISH eternally like all the other screenshot of this dumb green hoe

[crisp willow]

I shaky shaky

[vernal knot]

No u

[serene galleon]

guys im here where do i go to get crystal dash

[vernal knot]

At the big guy to the right

[fiery trench]

tf lore did I miss?

[crisp willow]

Go up one room, and go as right as you can- you see the little drawing os somwthing on the left side? Thwre, go there

[light snow]

no fuck you actually

[fiery trench]

go to the left side, go up, then back down

[vernal knot]

U mad

[crisp willow]

Calm down

[light snow]

natural uwu language on display

[crisp willow]

A what?

[serene galleon]

here?

[light snow]

boiling with anger actually

[crisp willow]

Go right

Riiiiight

[vernal knot]

why though

[unique zodiac]

do u guys recommend using hiveblood during path of pain, the thing is i dont wanna wait 10 seconds just to heal back up

[crisp willow]

i feel bad when im debating with people abiut somethin, cuz i feel like im being too much of an ass

[light snow]

the pitifulness of this attempt to match me

[fiery trench]

15 geo for Lost Kin
why rando, why
I just need voidheart

[vernal knot]

You can't juse use Pitifulness

[unique zodiac]

i plan to do path of pain with no survival charms after i beat it one time (by dying to kingsmoulds)

[crisp willow]

Either deepfocus or hiceblood

[vernal knot]

That's too advanced for you

[subtle glacier]

a lot of sections take longer than 10 seconds to finish, so you don’t end up waiting

[unique zodiac]

deepfocus requires more charm notches to be effective tho right, with grubsong and elegy

[crisp willow]

No?

In PoP grubsong is a fixpick regardless

[unique zodiac]

by more effective i meant losing no soul

[light snow]

my brother in hallownest your favorite Pokémon is Charizard it seems to me you're the one stuck in the past

[unique zodiac]

ye true

[tepid stone]

So I understand if I do all dream bosses, I will be unable to get a specific ending. I want to get that ending, so... Should I leave ||pure vessel|| as the last one to do or a different one?

[vernal knot]

You Like Teto.

You can't be talking

[fiery trench]

theres infinite soul totems at every checkpoint, soul is not a concern

[unique zodiac]

the part before the lever?

[spiral vault]

Cant go wrong with charizard

[subtle glacier]

almost every checkpoint

[unique zodiac]

eh doesnt matter

[crisp willow]

Lets not bully eachother fir liking something?

Cuz i could write lokg ass texts point out the bad stufd of both pokemon and teto

[unique zodiac]

ill prob lose like 5 soul each heal

[fiery trench]

the only way u can lock urself out of an ending is the base ending being lost after getting voidheart

[vernal knot]

Neither of us would care

[fiery trench]

ok, all but one checkpoints

[vernal knot]

Plus it's more like teasing I'd say

[light snow]

I'll RUN YOU OVER AND THROW YOU THROUGH A PORTAL TO THE MOON

[unique zodiac]

btw last question considering how levers work in hk usually, if i die after the lever part it stays open when i get back right?

[light snow]

yeah no definetly

[twin raven]

when silksong released:

[spiral vault]

3 times in 1 day

[tepid stone]

That's what I mean I understand that defeating all dream bosses means getting voidheart and locking myself out of the base ending
I'm wondering which dream boss I should save for last

[light snow]

if this is arguing then Im worser than a politician

[unique zodiac]

alr nice

[silent shell]

cooking straight mid

[crisp willow]

Hm- i think im kind of annoyed to be here (not at anyone in particular)

[tepid stone]

||Soul Tyrant|| is one I already did and I did a second one but I forgot which that was

[crisp willow]

Gay mid?

[twin raven]

Silksong is peak for me

[light snow]

there is nothing bad about teto you can't do that!!! /j

[twin raven]

You just have bad taste

[silent shell]

maybe

[vernal knot]

She is a wannabe Hatsune Miku

[silent shell]

my taste has never been better

[vernal knot]

Trus tme

(I don't know what the fuck Teto is)

[spiral vault]

4 times in a day

[light snow]

she's a diva and you will treat her as such

[light snow]

very evident

[fiery trench]

ok, the dream bosses themselves will only give you essence, u need 1800 essence in order to get awoken dream nail from Seer. Until you get Voidheart, that ending is avaliable, so just dont get voidheart

[worn hamlet]

and she does that in the funniest of ways

if u don't like that then that's down to personal preference

and it's mean to put ppl down for personal preference

[spiral vault]

Idk anything abt teto but shes funny when shes a pear and shes awesome looking

[vernal knot]

Macaron

[fiery trench]

for an April Fools joke she really doesnt seem to be a joke

[worn hamlet]

mhm?

[vernal knot]

Are you deadass rn

[worn hamlet]

yep

[tepid stone]

I don't know the process to get voidheart so in my eyes the easiest way to not get it is to not fully complete the first step
||I assume entering the kingsmold gets you to the voidheart area? Is that area Path of Pain||

[vernal knot]

She started it

[spiral vault]

Put this on skibidi

[vernal knot]

scold her too

[worn hamlet]

am I missing a ragebait or sarcasm

[vernal knot]

Why only me

[worn hamlet]

o

idk I didn't scroll up lmao

that's mb ._.

[worn hamlet]

she's an april fools joke turned reality

[spiral vault]

My name is teto pear

[vernal knot]

Peer?

[light snow]

discord stopped me from changing pfps oh well

[spiral vault]

5 times

[vernal knot]

I win

ggsez no re

I go play Silksong now

[fiery trench]

White Palace will give u half of kingsoul, which u then turn into voidheart, and Path of Pain is a challenge in White Palace seperate from the kingsoul half
so ur correct

[spiral vault]

If I was discord I'd let you change pfps

[light snow]

no j do actually

[crisp willow]

They are as serious as Zote when he yaps about his past

[light snow]

ggs

[vernal knot]

This was a fair game

anyway I gotta go for a glass of water

[light snow]

a worthy adversary you are

[vernal knot]

I've been laughing for way too long

[worn hamlet]

oh fun

[spiral vault]

Zote is such a legend

[crisp willow]

It be fun :3

[tepid stone]

Is white palace required game progression?

[crisp willow]

A fraud and a legend

[spiral vault]

No

[subtle glacier]

for what?

[crisp willow]

Yes? White fragment?

[fiery trench]

for 112%, yes
same for true ending

[crisp willow]

Path of pain isn't tbo

[subtle glacier]

voidheart locks 4/5 endings

[tepid stone]

I haven't played through the full game yet so I'm not even sure what that is

I'm just trying to make sure I get the ending before I lock it out

[crisp willow]

Ohhhhhh- uh its somwthing you need for the other endings of da game

[tepid stone]

Anyways time to fight lost kin

[crisp willow]

Fun boss :3

[wind latch]

EQUIP DEFENDERS CREST FOR GODS SAKE

[fiery trench]

why are all the rematches giving me shit rewards

[fiery trench]

its more fun if u dont tho

[wind latch]

i prefer getting to heal