hk-discussion

[lost finch]

that build sucks it has soul catcher

F tier slop

[real otter]

Bro wth

[craggy finch]

this build isnt serious

lol

[real otter]

What abt weaverlings

[lost finch]

yeah weavers work better than soul catcher

[ashen trellis]

never touched this sh- i mena charm....

[lost finch]

or shaman stone

[real otter]

Hey

[lost finch]

just dont get hit to preserve soul

[real otter]

Thats a naughty word you almost said

Be nice

[ashen trellis]

i never used this once

[real otter]

Its crismas

[craggy finch]

i dont understand ppl who "save soul" on full hp to "heal later"

no need to heal if the enemy dies in 0.5 seconds

from your spells

😭

[lost finch]

uh

[foggy sable]

Soul catcher is a solid charm

[real otter]

Ok use no soup challenge

[ashen trellis]

i'm playing it off, i'm just regular person.

[lost finch]

never speak again

king soul solos

[craggy finch]

LOL

kingsoul 🔥

[lost finch]

i’m bein so fr kingsoul is underrated

[foggy sable]

Comparable to twister actually fairly well

[lost finch]

soul catcher is trash lil bro

[craggy finch]

ok

[real otter]

Kingsoul + thorns not allowed anything else no spells no nail no minions

[craggy finch]

i feel like quick slash is the perfect charm

it fits every build

[lost finch]

just put kingsoul on last

[craggy finch]

want soul?

quick slash

nail dmg?

[real otter]

No bro carefreee

[craggy finch]

quick slash

[foggy sable]

If you use less than 70% of your soul on spells catcher is better

[real otter]

Carefreee

[craggy finch]

carefree melody my goat

[lost finch]

carefree is NOT better than quick slash

just dodge

[real otter]

We cannot YEA

[real otter]

Bru

Anyrad 2

Only done with carefree

[foggy sable]

As far as the defense charms go quick focus is best by far

[lost finch]

the only time not using quickslash is acceptable is against radiance variants

[craggy finch]

carefree excels at double dmg

[ashen trellis]

overcharmed but it works because it leaves all other charms having plenty space to be used.

[craggy finch]

it negates both

[real otter]

Anyrad only done with carefree

[lost finch]

yeah

which is y kingsoul is goated

[craggy finch]

unlike magnetite dice lol

thats not hk tho

[lost finch]

magnetite dice is amazing

change to dodge + crit damage?

[foggy sable]

Or if you don't have steady body

[ashen trellis]

Sad that they don't last forever because it need to be turned into void heart for endings

[craggy finch]

i cant rlly say anything abt silksong

im not gonna lie

[lost finch]

do u not know how to walk

[craggy finch]

i only have like 70% game completion

[lost finch]

mods

[craggy finch]

so

[foggy sable]

Quick slash no steady body is only fine

[ashen trellis]

Right i forgot about this

[ashen trellis]

i did 104%

[lost finch]

i have 112%

hehe

[craggy finch]

ok yk what im making a charm tier list

[craggy finch]

isnt that hk?

[lost finch]

soul catcher goes in F tier

[lost finch]

ye

[craggy finch]

ye

[real otter]

Yes I feel like quickslash is better only with steady tho

[lost finch]

wait u can get more than 100 in silksong?

[craggy finch]

were talking abt silksong

i have 112 in hk

[ashen trellis]

i only have 104% because i don't dare to touch very hard challenge

[rich stone]

It isin't that bad

[craggy finch]

i lost that save file tho LOL

my new one has 102

[lost finch]

sybau

[craggy finch]

getting there

[lost finch]

respectfully ofc

[lost finch]

how tho

[craggy finch]

i think it has 102

lemme double check that

[rich stone]

I don't remember how much percentage I have I probably would have gotten 112% I am more focused on Godhome stuff

[foggy sable]

Yes it needs steady to be good

[lost finch]

peak

[craggy finch]

ok i might be stupid

i dont even have 9th mask

LOL

i lowkey dont feel like doing flower quiest

[real otter]

What is that background

[craggy finch]

hidden dreams

[crude flax]

Hidden dreams

[craggy finch]

idk

[rich stone]

Hidden Dreams

[foggy sable]

Soul catcher is solid and I recommend it as a 2 notch slot sometimes in lategame

[real otter]

Aw hail nahhhhh

[craggy finch]

i used to use voidheart

[lost finch]

buddy NO

[craggy finch]

i prefer godhome and hidden dreams now tho

[crude flax]

Either that or spell twister

[real otter]

Aw hail nahhhhhh

[craggy finch]

godmaster*

[crude flax]

Not a bad idea

[lost finch]

😭

[crude flax]

Wdym “used to”

[foggy sable]

Yes

[craggy finch]

like

[crude flax]

You can’t stop using it

[craggy finch]

the menu theme

NOT THE CHARM

[lost finch]

oh

[craggy finch]

LMFAO)AWUYDWGUYAWDGUYTAWDTFGAD

[crude flax]

Ah ok

[foggy sable]

It is decent soul for healing with an open 2 notch

[craggy finch]

imagine you could unequip void heart

[lost finch]

i used to use the voidheart charm

[crude flax]

I use Grimm troupe I might be insane

[lost finch]

i prefer kingsoul

[crude flax]

Dafuq

[craggy finch]

LOL

[rich stone]

Unless you do charm binding it's impossible to remove Void Heart

[crude flax]

Ain’t no way

[crude flax]

Yeh

[proud haven]

Hi

[craggy finch]

ive never even attempted to use stalwart shell

or howecer tf you spell it

[lost finch]

it’s a good charm

[foggy sable]

Stalwart shell and quick focus is an op combo

[craggy finch]

it really boils down to whether it increases descending dark i-frames

[lost finch]

yea

[craggy finch]

thats what i needa know

[foggy sable]

It breaks all 1 damage fights

[rich stone]

I don't think it does that

[craggy finch]

alr

[lost finch]

stalwart shell + quick focus + grubsong

[craggy finch]

not s tier then

probably a or b

[lost finch]

A tier

it’s situational

[rich stone]

That's why I would put it in B tier

[lost finch]

against the final boss

that’s it’s use

making it an A tier

[rich stone]

It need to have a decent amount of uses to be in A tier

[craggy finch]

fury of the fallen

is like

[lost finch]

i find it funny that if you played as hornet, hollow knight would literally be impossible

[craggy finch]

if you are a no-hit runner

s

if you suck (me)

its mid

[lost finch]

meanwhile the knight solos all of silksong with ease

[craggy finch]

no literally

[lost finch]

in hollow knight the bosses literally give you impossible attacks

wait

nvm hornet can parry

but 0 endings LOL

[craggy finch]

oh yeah

[foggy sable]

Fury is the second best charm if you can use it but isn't hitless technically so

[craggy finch]

cross stitch

[lost finch]

cross stitch buffs when

[rich stone]

Which attacks you mean stuff like Radience beam and Traiter Lords shockwave

[lost finch]

yuh

[quasi forge]

<@&283547423706447872>

Not again

[lost finch]

broke ahh mf

[craggy finch]

nice

okay fury is going

hm

a or b?

lk B because its hard to use

[lost finch]

S

fury is S tier

[nocturne shuttle]

Doesn’t hornet have a silk skill that acts like shade cloak?

[lost finch]

yeah but no endings

[craggy finch]

its difficult to use correctly

like

[nocturne shuttle]

S tier for pros, B tier for the average player

[lost finch]

just dont get hit

[craggy finch]

that balances out

mid a tier

[lost finch]

buddy

[nocturne shuttle]

Has anyone here seen the land of storms before?

[lost finch]

if u have a skill issue that doesn’t mean the charm is worse

[lost finch]

i have

[craggy finch]

😭

ik

im not ranking charms at FULL potential

like

in a general sense

for example

[lost finch]

so ur ranking charms without ranking charms

[craggy finch]

shape of unn

LOL

[nocturne shuttle]

You got every binding on p5?

[lost finch]

not on current save

[nocturne shuttle]

I remember thinking this charm was an ed sheeran reference when I first heard its name

[lost finch]

u see, i wanted to see land of dtorms

[quasi forge]

Id say closer to D

[lost finch]

so i downloaded a file with p5 all bindings and farmed for land of storms

[sand wharf]

bro shape of unn and baldur shell is such a s

[lost finch]

no

[sand wharf]

you turn into a snail 😄

[lost finch]

A tier

[craggy finch]

baldur shell

hm

[quasi forge]

C or B

[foggy sable]

Oh I have a list

[nocturne shuttle]

Only ever used shape of unn in the eternal ordeal

[craggy finch]

imo c

[sand wharf]

shape of unn is lowk underrated for 2 notches and basically lets you heal everywhere + the synergy with quick focus is lowk goated

[rich stone]

It's useful in AnyRad

[lost finch]

baldur is A-B tier due to limited usage and reliance on other charms

[craggy finch]

wait serious question

[sand wharf]

wtf is your "actively bad"

[lost finch]

that’s TOGETHER

[lost finch]

uhm… no?

[foggy sable]

Worse than nothing

[craggy finch]

flukenest below shaman stone

[quasi forge]

Charms that nerf you

[craggy finch]

bc shaman stone buffs all spells

[foggy sable]

uhm... yes

[craggy finch]

flukenest gives a major buff to one

[lost finch]

wayward compass isnt in S tier

[craggy finch]

ok

why is grimmchild c

LOL

[lost finch]

ur putting sharp shade dash in actively bad

grimmchild is in c

carefree is in c

[quasi forge]

It's not useful except meme builds

[craggy finch]

omg wait

[dense fjord]

Is steam being weird for anyone else? I cant add anything to my cart lmao

[rich stone]

Flukenest is broken and I am saying it literally

[foggy sable]

It is

[lost finch]

WHY is sprintmaster in bad

[autumn ice]

what's the context for this list

[sand wharf]

mf how is sharp shadow thorns and SPRINTMASTER bad???? i understand some but these 3 genuinely make no sense

[foggy sable]

I'd rather have nothing on most of the time

[rich stone]

I don't see it being good if you have a dash

[lost finch]

LOL

[sand wharf]

you are very strange

[quasi forge]

Thorns remove iframes and provide almost 0 value

[nocturne shuttle]

Somewhat useful in radkoth

[lost finch]

erm actually…

[quasi forge]

Or doesn't remove but takes off

[sand wharf]

bro just gave up on dream shield 😭

[quasi forge]

Uses up

[quasi forge]

Never tried so I wouldn't know

[foggy sable]

Sprint master messes with speed, throns with I frames and sharp shadow with dash

[nocturne shuttle]

Who thinks dreamwielder is underrated?

[lost finch]

it makes u faster

that’s the fucking point

[nocturne shuttle]

Did you use elegy then?

[craggy finch]

jonis blessing

C or D

imo

[quasi forge]

I mean never tried the fight

[quasi forge]

D

[craggy finch]

i mean

[quasi forge]

It's horrible

[craggy finch]

too many charm notches

[sand wharf]

bro after the charm does what its meant to do (we cant have that)

[lost finch]

nah joni in C is fine

[craggy finch]

it could have been incredibly useful in bosses with no time to heal

[quasi forge]

Only usable in certain gpz fights

[foggy sable]

Which most of the time is a negative in fights

[craggy finch]

if it didnt eat up 1,000,000 charm notches

[lost finch]

which is y it’s in C

[quasi forge]

Having one niche usage is not C

[lost finch]

if u cant control ur character jus say that

[foggy sable]

And what they do is bad

[quasi forge]

Especially when it nerfs you every other fight

[craggy finch]

i have no clue where to rank the other 2 lifeblood charms lwk

core is like

[sand wharf]

joni is legit only good with lifeblood in very certain situations

[craggy finch]

D

[lost finch]

“chat i cant adapt to speed changes so i’m sayin the charm is bad”

[foggy sable]

No idea that gave you that impression

[finite ember]

do we know what this is?

[lost finch]

actively bad tier due to speed changes

[sand wharf]

wait so why is dashmaster in b then? its litterally just the same as sharp shadow but doesnt do damage and does the annoying ass down dash 😭

[lost finch]

higher being from ancient civilization

[sand wharf]

his aura

[nocturne shuttle]

Dreamwielder is the best one notch charm imo

[foggy sable]

It is decent on some fights like absrad

[craggy finch]

interesting take

[sand wharf]

better pic

[craggy finch]

if used correctly

MAYBE

[sand wharf]

sooo why isnt sharp shadow up there

[craggy finch]

well

[sand wharf]

DREAMWIELDER IS 1 NOTCH

WHAT

[craggy finch]

ig the only half decent charm

that one notch

is grubsong

[foggy sable]

Because it isn't decent on any fights

[craggy finch]

so yeah thats based

actually

[sand wharf]

and dashmaster is?????

[lost finch]

yes it is lol

[quasi forge]

Nmg, steady body, dream weilder

[nocturne shuttle]

You fill up 2/3 of your soul meter in one swing and it comes out so fast to where you can spam it frequently

[craggy finch]

WAIt

[lost finch]

I JUST SAW DASHMASTER

[craggy finch]

STEADY BODY

UYDWGUYAGWDGYUDWAU

[sand wharf]

pure vesse:

[craggy finch]

i forgot

[lost finch]

GOLEE DASHMASTER IS TRASH

[craggy finch]

how could i forget the goat

[lost finch]

steady is lwky overrated

ever heard of walking

[quasi forge]

Dashmatser is pretty bad but so is sshadow

[nocturne shuttle]

Also dreamwielder makes rad umuu trivial

[craggy finch]

hiveblood is like

similar to jonis

[lost finch]

sharp shadow is GOOD

[craggy finch]

in a way

[quasi forge]

Nice joke

[sand wharf]

steady body is good for people who used it their entire run, but if you just forgot to go to salubra and get any of her charms until later on you get useed to playing without it and its just like there for collo and certain pantheons

[craggy finch]

hiveblood is ahh

[foggy sable]

Name one of them

[craggy finch]

but HOW ahh

[lost finch]

we’re acting like it’s worse than dashmaster

[quasi forge]

They're both pretty bad

[lost finch]

pure vessel

[foggy sable]

Steady body is a top charm

[sand wharf]

good for pop but like you can just use grubsong and deep focus for inf heals

[quasi forge]

When would I ever use sshadow instead of pogo

[lost finch]

when ur caught off guard

[foggy sable]

Nope just get more damage with other punishes

[lost finch]

that’s cool and all

[quasi forge]

So it's only good when you mess up

[lost finch]

still good

[sand wharf]

its a larger dash and is just objectively better then dashmaster in every way

[lost finch]

this is like saying cross stitch is bad bc u can counter with other methods

[nocturne shuttle]

Hornet has a sprint, a grapple, and a dash attack, ||and yet she’s still slower than the knight when crystal dashing||

[foggy sable]

Paying 2 notches to do less damage

Amazing

[sand wharf]

we also have sprinting and a dash attack, and mantis claw

[quasi forge]

The longer dash is a side grade anyway

[lost finch]

dashmaster:

ur opinion is irrelevant

u think dashmaster is good

[quasi forge]

Except in this case the other methods aren't objectively better

[nocturne shuttle]

How do you guys beat rad oblobbles?

I would like to know

[lost finch]

spam and hope u win

[quasi forge]

Pogo is better than sshadow since soul plus strength buff plus close to boss for more damage quicker

[foggy sable]

It is, it is decent against a few bosses

[lost finch]

name TWO

[sand wharf]

GUYS EVERYONE STFU THE BEST CHARM IS ||grubsong you goofy ass unbreakable strength/shaman glazer go shut you bitch ass up and equip this one notch w charm that will change your fucking life||

[nocturne shuttle]

I equip every soul and spell charm in the game and dump shade souls into them

[lost finch]

radiant bosses:

[sand wharf]

if you are bad enough you can just spam spells

[lost finch]

on radiant?

[sand wharf]

idk

[craggy finch]

guys

[knotty ravine]

oh charms

[craggy finch]

does anyone here ever use nail arts

[sand wharf]

deep focus + shape of unn makes you move better

[knotty ravine]

sure ig

[craggy finch]

😭

nailmasters glory

[nocturne shuttle]

No

[lost finch]

once again name two

[craggy finch]

is the only thing that makes nail arts semi worth

[nocturne shuttle]

Not as much as I do in skong

[lost finch]

ur still silent lil bro

[craggy finch]

the only good one is dash slash

[knotty ravine]

sshadow is the definition of mid

[sand wharf]

i didnt know you could fly with cyclone nail art so when i go back to howling cliffs (on my new save) ill get it

[lost finch]

he think dashmaster is better than sharp shadow

[sand wharf]

fuck off you anti cyclone

[craggy finch]

wait

i didnt know that either

😭

[knotty ravine]

yes absolutely i hard agree

[craggy finch]

okay

this changes quite a bit abt glory

[lost finch]

never speak again

[knotty ravine]

i also think dmaster is just flat out one of the best charms

[craggy finch]

prob like

low b

[sand wharf]

i realized in the oro and mato fight, like wait a fucking second

[knotty ravine]

its just a lot harder to see its value

[craggy finch]

high c

[lost finch]

name two uses

[craggy finch]

um

[knotty ravine]

lemme get the image

[craggy finch]

why

[finite ember]

okay so i might be fucking stupid

[foggy sable]

Oblobbles absrad

[lost finch]

LOL

[lost finch]

buddy what

[lost finch]

DASHMASTER AGAINST OBBLES?

[sand wharf]

mf got dashmaster when she was tryna get mantis claw and never took it off so isnt useed to normal dash 💀

[knotty ravine]

lowk I might post the tierlist again. greyfire did I show u the rebalancing I can’t remember

benji never responded though. so I’m sad

btw

ftr this is what i think

order is a bit flimsier with the top of the sbody tier but

[foggy sable]

I did see it

[knotty ravine]

ok ok

[sand wharf]

bro is doing delicate flower without consiquenses 😭

[foggy sable]

I remember saying something but I forget

[knotty ravine]

someone suggested jonis 2 notches and also gives more hp from lifeblood

[craggy finch]

thoughts on dreamshield?

[foggy sable]

Yes?

[lost finch]

great

[lost finch]

buddy how

[sand wharf]

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO RESPECTS THE QUICK FOCUS SHAPE OF UNN SYNERGY

[knotty ravine]

very ass

[craggy finch]

the duality of man

[foggy sable]

Moving fast

[lost finch]

ok this has to be ragebait

[craggy finch]

um

SPRINTMASTDAWERDYTFAWEDYFTHAWEDF

[foggy sable]

Oblobbles is a fight about space

[lost finch]

moving fast against obbles

[craggy finch]

cough cough

[knotty ravine]

its like only margainally better i feel, but that's also just good

[craggy finch]

sprintmaster is

1 less notch

[lost finch]

so y tf would u use dash over sprint

[sand wharf]

you move so fast its like the fast slug in a tub

[lost finch]

that sounds dumb

[knotty ravine]

15% and doesnt work in the sky and dashing is also an option in the game

[craggy finch]

allows for more precise movement

than dash

[foggy sable]

And dashmaster let's you move in the air better

[sand wharf]

i fucking hate you guys

[lost finch]

IN THE AIR AGAINST OBBLES?

[sand wharf]

so time to make new charms

[lost finch]

R WE IN THE FUCKING METAVERSE??

[foggy sable]

Sprint master not working in the air makes it suck

[shrewd nymph]

Merry Christmas to you too

[sand wharf]

is this tuff chat

[quasi forge]

? They can float you know

[lost finch]

y would u EVER be in the air against obbles

[lost finch]

just wait until they come down

[foggy sable]

If they are in the air

[lost finch]

u can get sniped in the air

[craggy finch]

name 3 bossfights that forces you to stay airborne

id be surprised if you can name 1

no mods

[lost finch]

none

[foggy sable]

Not if you are good

[lost finch]

there are always platforms

[knotty ravine]

rad

[craggy finch]

um

[sand wharf]

guys make heavy blow 4 notches and it gives 60% damage boost but the downside is knockback

[quasi forge]

That just makes it take longer so it's harder

[lost finch]

platforms.

[craggy finch]

you dont have to step on the spikes

half of the platform is there

[knotty ravine]

where youre still constantly jumping around and chasing her

[proud haven]

please don't say that...we are the closest of friends

[lost finch]

yeah

not forced

u just choose to

[knotty ravine]

there's an experience gap here im realizing

[lost finch]

indeed

[foggy sable]

I think so

[pliant bough]

aside from dive its the only way to directly move down vertically so it can have use in the air and give opportunities that otherwise wouldnt exist

[sand wharf]

we are? ok

[lost finch]

we all agree there’s a skill issue

[sand wharf]

go deepnest yourself

[knotty ravine]

sprintmaster is ass explicitly because it doesnt work in the sky

[proud haven]

Omg I didn't think that would work fr

So cool

[knotty ravine]

which is where you are a LOT

[foggy sable]

And it isn't us with the skill issue

[lost finch]

against bosses where ur grounded it’s peak

[craggy finch]

aka

90% of bosses

[sand wharf]

cyclone art yay

[knotty ravine]

you still have dashing or

yk

better positioning

it's worthless, effectively

[lost finch]

saving shade cloak

[craggy finch]

okay

[knotty ravine]

it's good maybe against dashless gpz

[craggy finch]

dashmaster

[lost finch]

y would u waste it

[proud haven]

If you spam the turbo button while walking you run anyways so sprintmaster has always been pointless to me

[craggy finch]

doesnt allow you to dash

[proud haven]

I just use the turbo button

[craggy finch]

it allows you to dash faster and dash down

😭

[proud haven]

"Turbo mode" i say aloud

[sand wharf]

fuh you mean turbo button 😭

[quasi forge]

Is there a single boss where you don't jump often

[knotty ravine]

and those are good traits

[craggy finch]

you can dash while using sprintmaster

[proud haven]

"I'm goin turbo"

[sand wharf]

false knight

[craggy finch]

you can dash

anytime

[foggy sable]

Except then there is a movement speed gap between air and ground walking speed

[craggy finch]

quite frankly

[foggy sable]

Which is bad

[lost finch]

just stay on the ground

[proud haven]

How would you even know you don't use charms

[shrewd nymph]

Crystal guardian

[magic storm]

Just like use invincibility

[craggy finch]

no but like

why would you even want movement speed

[quasi forge]

Oh true but they're irrelevant anyway

[foggy sable]

I dabble in them

[sand wharf]

this is like genuinely one of the worst answers

[craggy finch]

base dash lets you dodge

everything

[lost finch]

teleporting bosses

[knotty ravine]

probably like 2. oh you dont jump that often in wd but like being in the sky is very very common in this game

[lost finch]

dodging

[proud haven]

This is a great option

[lost finch]

cool plays

chasing

[shrewd nymph]

You jump alot on cg?

[craggy finch]

thats fair

[proud haven]

Do you fw turbo mode

[shrewd nymph]

why would you 😭

[craggy finch]

i disagree with dodging though

[knotty ravine]

with stuff like pogos and aggro

[craggy finch]

theres also spirit

[magic storm]

That’s what I did and hollow knight was easy I don’t get why people say this game is hard

[craggy finch]

which does cost souk

[sand wharf]

how tf are you gonna dodge the laserrs

[knotty ravine]

you jump and pogo and are in the sky a lot

[craggy finch]

but its an alternative

[knotty ravine]

this continues into modded

[shrewd nymph]

Ddark and shade dash..

[knotty ravine]

this is a consistent trait of hk

[proud haven]

Yeah they're stupid dw you're the right one morally and spiritually

[lost finch]

i cant wait until bro sees enemies with helmets in a dlc

[knotty ravine]

?????

[lost finch]

:)

[foggy sable]

?

[craggy finch]

yw what

[sand wharf]

how the fuck are you gonna get ddark before killing crystal guardian- OHHH YOU MEANT PANTHEON

[knotty ravine]

wrong game????

[craggy finch]

i dont wanna argue about dashmaster

[lost finch]

xd

[proud haven]

The turbo button

[craggy finch]

tf am i even doing atp

lol

[foggy sable]

I like this charm set most

[proud haven]

I spam it to run fast without sprintmaster

It's on the controller

"Turbo mode"

[foggy sable]

Ohhhh I must have missed that

[knotty ravine]

i mean its dmaster

shit is op

stand proud. you are strong

[lost finch]

i prefer kingsoul

[proud haven]

You'd love turbo mode

[subtle hull]

stand proud sharp shadow

[proud haven]

Makes u faster

[magic storm]

I mean you don’t have to fight crystal guardian so its very easy to get ddark before

[foggy sable]

Kingsoul is bad and slow

[shrewd nymph]

Christmas is ruined

[knotty ravine]

ok maybe lets step back

[lost finch]

no lol

[sand wharf]

"never enough soul" ahh

[sand wharf]

i like me bench

[proud haven]

Don't say that! Heroes will save christmas!

[shrewd nymph]

Connor rescue us 😭

[craggy finch]

list

[foggy sable]

Almost 1 cast per hit

[proud haven]

From what fr

[autumn ice]

trying to get as much soul as possible and yet theres no qs

interesting

[sand wharf]

lowk profressional ragebait

[knotty ravine]

why

[foggy sable]

Time to wait 20 seconds for an entire 4 soul

[shrewd nymph]

Why is there only one in nerfs the knight😭

[knotty ravine]

is heart

ok

[shrewd nymph]

Dizzet

[craggy finch]

jonis and hiveblood

[knotty ravine]

also why isnt thorns in the bottom tier

[craggy finch]

too

but like

[shrewd nymph]

Not hiveblood

?

[craggy finch]

wait i forgot that it nerfs you too

[subtle hull]

https://tenor.com/view/no-one-is-coming-to-save-you-no-one-will-save-you-warning-threat-advice-gif-12784896

[craggy finch]

hiveblood doesnt let you heal

it regenerates your hp

but still

you can gett it back faster w heals

that is situational

[shrewd nymph]

You can still heal with hiveblood on

[craggy finch]

you cant always heal

[craggy finch]

um

[proud haven]

Maybe they want sharp shadow for christmas and then other kids won't have to get sharp shadow cuz he'll get all of them

[craggy finch]

i might be

[proud haven]

Santa can't have too many of em

[craggy finch]

the most stupid person

potentially

[shrewd nymph]

noo not on christmas

[craggy finch]

to ever step foot

on planet earth

[shrewd nymph]

jolly not stupid

[subtle hull]

theres a sharp shadow in all ur stockings

[proud haven]

No bro

I dont want that

[shrewd nymph]

I hope you suffer today

[subtle hull]

and a thorns under the christmas tree

its a christmas miracle

[proud haven]

I want a magic lamp

That summons a genie

[quasi forge]

What about my glowing womb

[subtle hull]

i have an 8 hour shift on christmas day so i will

[proud haven]

Or a trillion dollars

Or a magic wand

Nothing else for christmas

Or i won't be happy

Maybe a magic wishing well or star

[craggy finch]

updated list

[proud haven]

Shit list

Haven't looked at it tho

[craggy finch]

lol

[pliant bough]

🗿 dash master is A tier

[autumn ice]

that's some pretty good odds of being correct tho

[pliant bough]

unnamed is back

[autumn ice]

i never really left

[proud haven]

Elegy is better than c tier so is nail master
Heart could probably go up
Dreamshield is way worse than everything else in that tier
Don't get why weavers is high if grubsong is low since they're like a duo but whatever
I think the rest is relatively fair

[autumn ice]

lowkey though the only good list i've seen was like

moch's list

[pliant bough]

moch...

RIP

[foggy sable]

Boss lists are where it is at

[proud haven]

I think game tier list is best

I wish someone else would do one

[sand wharf]

my ranking (for a normal person who IS NOT DOING PANTHEON)

[brisk steppe]

why are there two steady bodies

[sand wharf]

uh also dont ask why theres randomly double

[proud haven]

Someone else do top 50 games fr

[brisk steppe]

woah

[brisk steppe]

doki doki ❤️‍🩹

[subtle hull]

steady body so nice you had to add it twice

[proud haven]

Doki doki goes hard

[brisk steppe]

i Really really like this list connor

you really Are the coolest

[sand wharf]

so is nailmasters glory and a few others

[sand wharf]

silksong

[frigid terrace]

I don't even know if I've played 50 games

[proud haven]

it wasn't out when I made the list

[shrewd nymph]

You got croc lowk

[subtle hull]

black flag what a game

[proud haven]

Silksong would be like right above sekiro

[sand wharf]

bro is cooking with spongebob

[subtle hull]

i was thinking like i could get on its back but how am i gonna do any damage

[proud haven]

That's my favorite assassins creed and I grew up on em

[subtle hull]

those mfs hides can deflect small arms fire

[shrewd nymph]

You just hold its mouth shut then start whooping his head

[proud haven]

They are just super fun I played em on gamecube

[subtle hull]

i think my hand would break before its face

[shrewd nymph]

I saw a survivor island where they jumped on it then tied a knot around it

[sand wharf]

guys this is how you make a tier list, nobody has yelled at me about how its ass. (normal person not in godhome)

[subtle hull]

its skull is built to withstand the repeated force of what is essentially an oversized bear trap

[shrewd nymph]

Idk use ur head against theirs

[proud haven]

Wait hold on
Grubsong not S tier
Unn not A tier
Weavers isn't as bad as the other ones in why
The F tier is based and I fw the D tier except elegy could go up and in the one above it that's a fair C tier man actually yeah I'll agree with you it's a mostly really good list

Minor disagreements

[shrewd nymph]

I think the second nmg is B but the first is A

[proud haven]

That's fair

[sand wharf]

grubsong is mostly just a matter of how much you get hit and if you like to facetank or dodge
unn is good, lets you heal at almost every moment
i just hate all minion charms
grubberflys elegy would be good but its only when you have full masks and is lowk very niche uses

[quartz cave]

gn @shrewd nymph

gn @proud haven

[proud haven]

It's not niche if you're not getting hit or using fury

Cuz the range is good against all bosses

But fair

Gn oswald

[quartz cave]

you

my day just started

[proud haven]

Omg no it's only 9 pm

[shrewd nymph]

oswald its mid day

[proud haven]

I can be up more

[craggy finch]

boss list

[quartz cave]

yes thats eepy time

[quartz cave]

no its 3 am

[proud haven]

Not loading haha

[shrewd nymph]

I am living at 12:13pm rn

[foggy sable]

It is mid day oswald

[quartz cave]

gn @foggy sable

[proud haven]

no u r foolish

[quartz cave]

if you think about it the initials of greyfire spell out gn but u just need to squint not with your eyes but rather the part od the brain that processes words / language

[quasi forge]

Didn't you say you were going to sleep over an hour ago🤨

[quartz cave]

i didnt say id be succesful at that!

[shrewd nymph]

So oswald is the one that needs to sleep

[quasi forge]

So obviously discord is the answer

[quartz cave]

i may or may not have eaten coffee beans as a snack

theyre lowk peak

[shrewd nymph]

isnt it 3am for you gng

[sand wharf]

id say you are really good, but oro and mato are not that hard

[keen thorn]

@quartz cave

[quartz cave]

its true

[quartz cave]

haiii

[shrewd nymph]

Go to sleep so you can be merrier tomorrow

[quartz cave]

i think im in love

[keen thorn]

Hello

[shrewd nymph]

ITS 3AM BRO

[pliant bough]

🗿 dash master goes to S

[quasi forge]

Hand reveal

[craggy finch]

idk bro its like watcher knights on crack 😭

[quartz cave]

WHY ARE WE SLEEPING ON COFFEE BEANS AS A SNACK

[shrewd nymph]

Aleep

[quartz cave]

OK BUT SNACK

[shrewd nymph]

Sleep

[shrewd nymph]

Of ALL things you could have as a snack

[quartz cave]

hmm i think ive posted my hand here before

[sand wharf]

sonny, you should go to sleep or else santa wont come with parents (imagine 80 year old jack black saying this)

[quasi forge]

Hand reveal for me

[quartz cave]

i think i posted a hand reveal like 4 years ago and someone told me they looked like fish fingers

[sand wharf]

bro

[keen thorn]

It's Christmas

[shrewd nymph]

Your hands just look like hands

[proud haven]

Omg wait it is gonna be christm

[shrewd nymph]

Indeed it is

[proud haven]

In 3 hours

[sand wharf]

LMA I SAID PARENTS I MEANT PRESETNS

[proud haven]

That'll be cool

[quartz cave]

idk it kinda stuck with me

[shrewd nymph]

Wait connor is it 9pm for you?

[proud haven]

I'm playing skyrim

Mhm

[shrewd nymph]

how are you 15 hours behind me

catch up buddy

[proud haven]

Virginia united states

[keen thorn]

You're too ahead

Slow down

[craggy finch]

i should lk test out like 15 charm builds in godhome this instant

[sand wharf]

oh yes lemme dox myself to my state rq

[proud haven]

It's pretty big

[keen thorn]

And maybe flip over now that you're at it

[shrewd nymph]

I dont think i can or want to find him in virginia

[sand wharf]

bro just use heavy blow glowing womb defenders crest sporeshroom and unbreakable greed

[craggy finch]

what are yalls main charm builds

[sand wharf]

im not too far

[static lodge]

Hello

[shrewd nymph]

Strength qslash shaman sbody nmg/mop

[quartz cave]

lune what is ur opinion on OG hkgen

[sand wharf]

quick focus (brand new run)

[keen thorn]

Usual R5 build
Strength shaman qs steady body mop

[shrewd nymph]

Oh wow the memories are flooding in

back in the glory days

[autumn ice]

it's either that or charmless lol

[sand wharf]

dih

[safe owl]

Guys i can play the path of pain again after beating it? Pls answer

[quasi forge]

Mop>soul eater?

[keen thorn]

Fr lol

[shrewd nymph]

New save or modded only

[autumn ice]

mop consistency does a lot in r5

[keen thorn]

Yeah, soul is not that scarce of a resource

[safe owl]

Sad

[autumn ice]

it does a lot for safety and makes it easy to not slip up

[sand wharf]

its in godhome and is called "pantheon of hallownest"

[keen thorn]

And that

[autumn ice]

soul catcher is absolutely a valid substitute for mop though

[quartz cave]

roumd 2 at (attempting) sleep gn

[autumn ice]

it's definitely good enough

[runic shuttle]

you can only do it with a mod

[keen thorn]

Yeah

[autumn ice]

but most people prefer mop

[runic shuttle]

more than once

[safe owl]

Bro thats fifth panthion

[keen thorn]

And eater is preferred when running NMG over SB

[sand wharf]

its one of the enemies

[autumn ice]

oh is that true

[safe owl]

Are you kidding

[sand wharf]

OHHH MOP IS MARK OF PRIDE I THOUGHT ONE OF THE CHARMS WAS A MOP

[keen thorn]

Good Knight

[craggy finch]

no its a playable character trust

[sand wharf]

hungry knight > hollow knight

[shrewd nymph]

Goodnight

[autumn ice]

havent really looked into the r5 meta for a while but i dont see how nmg over sbody affects mop/eater so much

i guess you can say that narts give enough safety when needed so mop not as needed?

feels weird tho

[sand wharf]

yes bro did you get the new hollow knight: skys legacy you get to play as radiance (100% no cap very real epic WHAAA)

[craggy finch]

yeah wbu

[autumn ice]

i imagine it's reasonably marginal tho

[keen thorn]

Yeah

Probably

That's the main reason people use NMG, to abuse most nart windows

[autumn ice]

mmh i guess

[keen thorn]

But yeah you can totally do mop + nmg

[autumn ice]

i still feel like that doesn't exactly make mop obsolete but i havent tried and i really do not care to

[inner kiln]

uh huh

[foggy sable]

nmg is best if you don't like steady body

[keen thorn]

Nay combination of two between mop or eater and SB or NMG works

[naive dew]

jollenio!!

[autumn ice]

yeah absolutely

[keen thorn]

Hellone!!

[naive dew]

hiiiiiii

[twin raven]

Which hornet better?

[naive dew]

hru

[foggy sable]

I just run fun charms for r5 at the moment

[craggy finch]

rate my p4 build

[keen thorn]

Really good!

[naive dew]

omggg

gg

[keen thorn]

Going rn to the family dinner

[naive dew]

hf!

[sand wharf]

are you autistic where the fuck is defenders crest and heavy blow

[keen thorn]

Fifth family gathering

Because I was sick and missed most :(

[craggy finch]

dont forget greed

[keen thorn]

Ty!

[sand wharf]

wait im cooking use unbreakable greed and overcharm with heavy blow

[craggy finch]

LOL

what charms do yall use for path of pain

[peak hound]

very amazing

[autumn ice]

i tend to have fun with r5 when i'm looking back on it after winning so the most fun charms are the broken ones

[craggy finch]

its the only time deep focus can be good without quick focus

[keen thorn]

Mop quickslash sb flukenest shaman

[sand wharf]

grubsong + deep focus is suprisingly inf masks

[runic shuttle]

this is tantamount to cheating

[craggy finch]

thats what i use too

lol

[sand wharf]

what is mf cooking

[foggy sable]

I'm in the enjoy the process stage at the moment

[peak hound]

just make sure to get thorns of agony, heavy blow, joni's blessing

[keen thorn]

Hitless pop was the last time I did pop

[autumn ice]

yeah kinda figured

semi joking anyways

[keen thorn]

And flukes help with the kingsmolds

[craggy finch]

unbreakable greed

[keen thorn]

The hardest part

[peak hound]

that too

[foggy sable]

Winning was fun before now attempts are fun

[sand wharf]

i thought you meant you did pop without pogoing when you said "hitless pop" i should probably go

[autumn ice]

damn that's sick honestly

[rapid bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/dimple-mob-psycho-100-mob-psycho-dimple-mob-psycho-tuesday-gif-9829735965441615336

its wednesday

ik

[sand wharf]

bro thorns of agony lets them do damage

[autumn ice]

i feel like i had the opposite where eventually just playing for the sake of it lost its charm and the cool parts were the progress

[sand wharf]

ding dong

[peak hound]

guys what should i do after i beat radiant absolute radiance?
steel soul hk or speedrun

[foggy sable]

There is no progress now

[sand wharf]

bye bye see you guys on christmas morining

[autumn ice]

though what i defined as progress was very vague, i remember being incredibly happy when i randomly noticed that i hadnt really died to oblobbles in forever

[craggy finch]

im messing around with builds. the ultimate heal build might potentially be qfocus, shape of unn, soul eater, and grubsong

lol

[foggy sable]

Runs either die to vk or get to near the end

[autumn ice]

it's like whenever i somehow notice a place i improved

it was cool

yeah that's the ending phase

any day now i trust

[peak hound]

R5 or smth

[keen thorn]

I was enjoying playing for the sake of it, it basically became part of my daily routine

[autumn ice]

but if you're having fun with the runs you're probably chilling

[keen thorn]

All that changed when I went on break for real life reasons...

[foggy sable]

I think after the first few times I did it completing was less important

[keen thorn]

And I lost all my skill and felt like shit making anti progress

[autumn ice]

ah wait you already won

[foggy sable]

I just do it because it is relaxing now

[autumn ice]

ok that makes more sense then nvm lmao

[keen thorn]

I'm doing soul binding R5 rn, basically easier nail only

But I'm not that committed

[foggy sable]

I have pb 1 or 2 in all the seperate bindings so I just do runs of each occasionally

[autumn ice]

feel like in retrospect maybe i grinded r5 too much and burnt myself out on it or sth because i really dont want to think about getting back to it

[keen thorn]

Pb1 on mask binding 🔥

[foggy sable]

Some attempt I'll get some

[autumn ice]

once in a while i throw 2 runs at it, get decently far then am reminded why i didnt wanna

not that i disliked the grind itself but i think i kinda ended up throwing a shit ton

4 pv deaths do something to you lol

4 absrad deaths dont help

[foggy sable]

I did an hour a day or so on average for about 5 weeks

[keen thorn]

You're not as bad as spoonsei

He got 13 1-hit runs

[craggy finch]

my main build is soul eater, qslash, and shaman stone. Its very good for abusing invincibility frames by spamming d dark while dealing good dps with nail

what do yall think

i feel like soul eater is slept on a lot

[autumn ice]

and right now learning silksong bosses is more fun anyways

[craggy finch]

its quite the versatile charm

[knotty ravine]

I agree eater is slept on but I feel like you could use the four notches better

[keen thorn]

I was doing hitless silksong pantheons but honestly...

[autumn ice]

i got out of the endgame boss mines so now i get to learn midgame things

[keen thorn]

It's just not as fun

[knotty ravine]

my main issue with eater is just you produce way too much soul

[craggy finch]

das fair

[autumn ice]

ah damn

[keen thorn]

Got burnt out of act 2 bosses pantheon hitless

[foggy sable]

Spell build is like infinite soul debug

[autumn ice]

i did see your progress video on it

[keen thorn]

[knotty ravine]

I also just don’t use ddark anymore so idc abt it most of the time

[keen thorn]

Yeah that was my best run

Which should have been a 1 hit

[autumn ice]

ya i saw

2 and 3 were erm

[keen thorn]

I definitely have the skill for a 1 hit but I'm just tired

[autumn ice]

makes sense

i can see how there's a lot of garbage bosses in that

[keen thorn]

Yeah

At least it's not the fucking deer

[autumn ice]

i got r3 yesterday

[keen thorn]

In Silksong?

[autumn ice]

and i did get pretty annoyed at the earlygame mines

ya

it's pretty bad

[keen thorn]

Nice!

[autumn ice]

ty ty

the deer was not so bad tho

[keen thorn]

I really wonder atp if R3 or R2 is harder

Lenght and shit vs difficulty

[autumn ice]

do not be stupid checkpoint

i can tell you that my r3 was 4 mins longer than your p2 run

[keen thorn]

It's boring af tho

[autumn ice]

but i also run very defensive stuff

the bell

[keen thorn]

Really? Maybe it's playstyle and build

[keen thorn]

Oh there lol

[autumn ice]

it actually goes in vs bosses 3 and 7 tho

[keen thorn]

Iirc S2 is 21 bosses and S3 like 17 or something

[autumn ice]

18 and 15

[keen thorn]

Ah right

Eh it's not a big gap

[autumn ice]

i guess i can give a take on r2 once i have some time in that, gotta get on learning that for now

any strats you wanna share?

probably not here tho

[keen thorn]

Yeah lol

[autumn ice]

the vagueposting here is already stretching it a little lol

[keen thorn]

But if you're interested I'll definitely share later, rn I'm reaching my grandparents house soon

You can send me a dm

[keen thorn]

Yeah lol

[autumn ice]

ah yeah sure, appreciate it

[keen thorn]

I've most certainly optimized most fights atp

[keen thorn]

[autumn ice]

yeah i feel like i was more on the bash my head into it with good enough strats

there's a few good things i've found but i really didnt experiment as much as i probably should have

[keen thorn]

Well I gtg now

[keen thorn]

Experimenting is boring but can be huge

[autumn ice]

yeah for sure

it paid off a decent few times for me even though i barely did any

but i'm also lazy

[keen thorn]

Yeah lol

[autumn ice]

alright hf at your grandparents

[keen thorn]

Anyways, bye!!

[keen thorn]

Ty

[shrewd meadow]

talking about hk instead of playing it on the big Christmas day

[autumn ice]

this is because talking about it lets me ignore the misery of r5 type stuff while i get to think about the good parts

[frail cape]

Peak gift

[autumn ice]

this is way better than actually suffering through the grind

[keen thorn]

Ok throwo

[keen thorn]

Lol

[shrewd meadow]

just play it

shrimple as that

[autumn ice]

surely

[peak hound]

you guys should like
spend time with family in christmas instead of playing hk or being here

[autumn ice]

it's true can we shut down the server for a day

then conveniently forget to reenable it after that'd be good

[fiery trench]

… no?

I mean I cant stop mods from doing it

[wind garnet]

Woah

Unnamed

@shrewd meadow

merry chrismas

[lilac talon]

new art

[lilac talon]

if you go to grubfather after finding enough you get a reward

[keen thorn]

I confirm

[autumn ice]

hi

silksong drew me back into the mines so now i am here

[wind garnet]

welcome back

rad 1.0 soon

[autumn ice]

?

[wind garnet]

you

[autumn ice]

ah you mean radanyrad

no

[wind garnet]

[autumn ice]

not anytime soon at least

the mines are silksong related