hk-discussion

[summer nacelle]

50/52 achievements

and i ain't getting the steel soul ones cuz they're bullshit

[true cliff]

is it good

[junior spindle]

ss

[limpid summit]

Luckily I'm a ps5 player so like half the achievements are gone

[crisp willow]

Its the best

[real pasture]

But but - steel soul is way easier than p5

[true cliff]

is it shorter

[crisp willow]

For now.

[true cliff]

how

[summer nacelle]

silksong steel soul is infinitely harder than p5

[limpid summit]

Yes, everything is very good. Sometimes you might get turned on tho.

[limpid summit]

I wouldn't say so

[crisp willow]

Its like 70 hours for everything

[limpid summit]

It's definitely longer

[real pasture]

Aaah you were talking skong

[limpid summit]

??

[true cliff]

isnt the map twice larger

[summer nacelle]

70? it took me 120

[limpid summit]

Yeah i assumed that too

[summer nacelle]

yes wtf

[limpid summit]

I have 50 hours and almost every trophy and 100%

._.

[summer nacelle]

just my first playthrough is 120 hours

[true cliff]

wtf

[crisp willow]

Go in

[limpid summit]

Rnter it

[summer nacelle]

enter it

[limpid summit]

He totally won't swallow you

[real pasture]

(While they’re sleeping)

[crisp willow]

You are getting more and moee creepy, pal. /s

[summer nacelle]

:(

[limpid summit]

BAHAHAHA it's so funny every time

[summer nacelle]

let's not take the joke too far, please

[crisp willow]

It gud it gud

[true cliff]

lmao

[limpid summit]

Imma save the image for my own uses

:3

[summer nacelle]

this stuff loses its ironicity too fast

i don't wanna be labeled

[limpid summit]

I'll blur the username

Like this

[crisp willow]

Lets delete it

[summer nacelle]

yeah just don't use it please

only i use that pfp

[true cliff]

oh

[crisp willow]

Good, fight ya sibling

[limpid summit]

Alright, your choice.

[summer nacelle]

when you find the boss, don't frown

[true cliff]

dude the last bench is light years away

bruh

[summer nacelle]

i appreciate the understanding

[summer nacelle]

did you not unlock the shortcut

[ancient ravine]

Ehh it's good but put longnail instead of soul twister

[livid crater]

me neither until I returned for lost kin 💀

[crisp willow]

Long nail instead of...? Huh?! Why?!

[wispy willow]

All bindings or mods namly anyrad

[livid crater]

that's a perfect build no?

[vernal prairie]

I thought I would sac my range for strong spell spam

[summer nacelle]

hell naw

[true cliff]

i died

i wanna die

fuck

no

why

[vernal prairie]

Not really one weakness is lack of range

[livid crater]

typically you run big 3(strength, quick slash, shaman) and then you run steady body + 1 more or spell twister

[vernal prairie]

I am practising to aim nail with limited range for now

[true cliff]

no...

[summer nacelle]

go unlock it

it's right before the boss

[vernal prairie]

I see most people use mop and some rare people use mop and longnail

[livid crater]

if the base attack has lack of range for you I think that's kinda skill issue 😭 spells is definitely more important than like 2 pixels of range

[true cliff]

i entered the boss again by accident

bruh

[livid crater]

mop only for not overcharmed

[brisk steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-waddle-waddler-the-waddler-waddle-cat-weird-walk-gif-9738668264510949101

[summer nacelle]

oh so you did unlock the shortcut smh

[vernal prairie]

Yeah I realised that and now practicing in colo to get good enough to make range not matter for me

[livid crater]

always run big 3 and the only exception is swapping out shaman stone for flukenest

big 3 is the best

[ancient ravine]

U need to collect soul tho

[livid crater]

quick slash exists

[vernal prairie]

I will be able to still get soul of I just hit them with my short nail

[livid crater]

bro did you know one of the hitless pantheon runs uses big 3 + compass + longnail 😂

1. You could have used mop over longnail
2. Bro must have been unable to find his way over to the p5 place

[foggy sable]

Not compass

Either nail masters or usually steady body

[livid crater]

what's the best overcharm build in your guy's opinion? mine is big 3 + steady body + soul eater

[livid crater]

I'm just saying one of the pantheon runs

[ancient ravine]

Well gl

[livid crater]

that specific person forgot where the pantheon place was

[true cliff]

dude this mf was so easy to kill

[summer nacelle]

big 3 is us qs sb, right?

[foggy sable]

You said hitless pantheon runs which usually are not compass

[livid crater]

me who has been suffering in nine sols for the last 1h 30 minutes to 1 fudging boss

[true cliff]

when do i get the double jump

[livid crater]

I don't get it

[true cliff]

i got some wings what are those

[livid crater]

double jump

[shrewd nymph]

Shaman

[true cliff]

ohhh

[livid crater]

monarch wings = double jump

[summer nacelle]

ok but shaman is different

these three synergize

[shrewd nymph]

Shaman is still better than sbody and also the best overall charm

[summer nacelle]

shaman is fantastic too ofc

not saying it isn't

[shrewd nymph]

Not calling it one of the 'big three' when sbody is also fully reliant on qslash is not right

[vernal prairie]

Hey now compass provides you with navigation buff that holds the power to one hit radiance

[true cliff]

fuck

[foggy sable]

They are the big 3 because they are the 3 notch charms which are the core of builds

[true cliff]

im beating lost kin

[summer nacelle]

sbody is fully reli- what the fuck

it's entirely the other way around

[true cliff]

why did i do this

bro

nooo

[foggy sable]

And there are 3 of them

[true cliff]

FUCKK

[livid crater]

what is sb? steady body? Yeah unovercharm I normally run us qs ss sb and dream wielder

[summer nacelle]

no you aren't

[true cliff]

is he hard to beat

[summer nacelle]

supremely

[true cliff]

OH

oh

[foggy sable]

Sbody is useless no qs

[naive dew]

nh uh i shrimply replioed to the wrong thing

[true cliff]

can i get my geo back

[summer nacelle]

did you get wings

[true cliff]

yes

[naive dew]

hi corn hru

[native gust]

ITS ME

[summer nacelle]

uhhhh you don't lose your geo when you die to lost kin

[sick heath]

Hi melone I am good hru

[native gust]

IM HERE

[true cliff]

i died in 3 secs

[livid crater]

lost kin is also easy no?

[tulip narwhal]

Is that melon

[summer nacelle]

sbody is the only charm i never took off in the entirety of p5

[livid crater]

bro I should reattempt pantheon 1. Nine sols is so much worse than pantheon 1. Maybe now I have overcome my skill issue

[summer nacelle]

it is so good on platform fights

[livid crater]

also just really good against everything

[summer nacelle]

well yes

2nd best overall imo

[sacred thunder]

you change charms between?

[foggy sable]

And it has no point without qs

[summer nacelle]

ye ofc

[summer nacelle]

i literally just provided a point hello?

[foggy sable]

sbody is there to improve air control and dps

Which is not needed without the faster attack speed

[livid crater]

what's the best? steady body is relaly good for charm nothces

[summer nacelle]

strength

[livid crater]

ok fair enough

I would argue shaman stone but we're different playstyles

[foggy sable]

Quickslash is also average without sbody

[summer nacelle]

they elevate each other

to insane heights

[livid crater]

guys not that hot take: hollow knight is an entirely different game without qs and sb

[sacred thunder]

never done that honestly

[limpid summit]

Same

[summer nacelle]

ngl your loss

[foggy sable]

But sbody isn't a main charm for a reason

[limpid summit]

1 build and and i stick with it

[foggy sable]

It is often used in runs

[summer nacelle]

sbody is a main charm lol

wait wdym by main charm

[foggy sable]

But is ultimately a qs support

[sacred thunder]

I hardly use spells so not too useful and bosses before markoth are easy anyways

[summer nacelle]

qs is the support of sb

[foggy sable]

One of the big 3 really

[opal hearth]

main charm???

[sacred thunder]

no I think the opposite

[summer nacelle]

eh fair

[limpid summit]

Isn't it reversed?

[summer nacelle]

let's agree to disagree

[sacred thunder]

like the charm he never takes off

[foggy sable]

I'd add MoP and eater as main charms as well

[livid crater]

yeah because in pantheon runs you should use strength quick slash flukenest fury steady body nailmaster glory

[opal hearth]

oh yh

[limpid summit]

Where do you even get steady body again?

[sacred thunder]

eater?!

[limpid summit]

[sacred thunder]

you're sacrificing 4 charm notches

[opal hearth]

buy from salubra

[summer nacelle]

idts

qs is never truly stellar without sb

but sb is stellar in platforming fights and bullet hell bosses, with or without qs

[livid crater]

no only one cus overcharm

[vivid creek]

nmg only 1-notch main charm

[sacred thunder]

I think eater is only good with over charming

[limpid summit]

K thx (asking cuz i want it for my steel soul)

[true cliff]

V

[opal hearth]

wayward compass

[livid crater]

god I hate that place

[limpid summit]

True

[limpid summit]

[opal hearth]

may hope find you

[livid crater]

guys hot take: royal waterways worse than bilewater 😭

[true cliff]

may the force be with me

[sacred thunder]

I'd say warm not hot

[opal hearth]

hot take: queens gardens is harder than deepnest

[sacred thunder]

may the dung be with you

[true cliff]

may the what

[opal hearth]

dung (poo)

[summer nacelle]

is it the time for a charm tier list?

[sacred thunder]

oh wait you're new to the game?

[sacred thunder]

idk but strength should be first

[livid crater]

that's true because the person who beat hollow knight blindfolded when through deepnest not queen's garden but actually in a normal playthrough I think qg is easier

[summer nacelle]

yes ofc

[sacred thunder]

harder but not more annoying tbh

[foggy sable]

depends on what pantheon run

[foggy sable]

yes

[limpid summit]

Stalking devouts:

[opal hearth]

stalking devouts are easy

[livid crater]

this is the "average tier list" data from 438 tier lists

[sacred thunder]

costs too much if not overcharged

[foggy sable]

sb isn't good in anything without qs

[livid crater]

pantheon speedrun

[opal hearth]

you have mantis traitors that shoot buzzsaws at you and the spikes everywhere in queens gardens

[foggy sable]

that depends on which run

[summer nacelle]

Charms in the same tiers are ordered.

This list only considers Godhome.

[sacred thunder]

sbody being d is diabolical

[livid crater]

pantheon 5

[foggy sable]

in something like 112 the pantheons are done without fury

[limpid summit]

Sb last 🥀

[livid crater]

lifeblood heart above fragile heart is more diabolical

[opal hearth]

why isnt voidheart non-combat

[foggy sable]

anyway I have sbody as the 4th best charm but it isn't a main charm it is simply there only to support qs

[sacred thunder]

because it costs 0

[livid crater]

let's make our own tier list and you guys can tell me to change stuff

[sacred thunder]

anything that's free gives you 100% befit

[opal hearth]

yes but its still not needed for combat

[summer nacelle]

mostly semantics

(unlocks p5 and blocks the usage of kingsoul)

[foggy sable]

no one is running sb with no qs but qs is playable without sb just only as an average charm

[sacred thunder]

benefit*

[foggy sable]

that is not a good list

sprintmaster is bad

[livid crater]

guys where do I put void heart?

[foggy sable]

grubsong is fine but not amazing

[limpid summit]

Wdym?

[foggy sable]

quickslash is the single best charm no contest

[summer nacelle]

p5 markoth:

[livid crater]

in tier list

[foggy sable]

quick focus is extremely op

[foggy sable]

https://youtu.be/sFNVbM23zxc

[summer nacelle]

impressive tbh

[sacred thunder]

fair

[limpid summit]

It doesn't give anything aside extra endings and dialogue, so it's very useless

[foggy sable]

sharp shadow is kinda actively detrimental

with fury being useless at worst if you don't use the effects

[sacred thunder]

markoth can be stuck at the platforms so technically you can beat him with his first shield spinning attack

[true cliff]

PALE ORE

OH MY

[summer nacelle]

uh i did put fury in F rank

[foggy sable]

soul catcher is better than twister if you spend more than 30% of your soul on healing

[sacred thunder]

I only ever used sharp shadow twice against rad mwak and nosk

[foggy sable]

hiveblood is useless but not actively detrimental

[sacred thunder]

furry is one of the worse charms for new players ngl

not to mention you can get it as your first charm is an issue

[summer nacelle]

yeah but i fucking hate it so it goes into F 😛

[vivid creek]

Imo

[foggy sable]

and how you have sbody above qs I have no idea

but most importantly everyone underrates quick focus

[sacred thunder]

deep focus needed a rework

[shrewd nymph]

So you're saying sbody without qslah is great?

[summer nacelle]

but i already explained several times :(

[shrewd nymph]

Because what

[vivid creek]

It just needed to cost less notches or not have a built in nerf

[sacred thunder]

either less charm notches or make the healing normal

[vivid creek]

ye

[foggy sable]

deep focus should cost 2

[livid crater]

guys suggest changes

[sacred thunder]

yea I feel like charms shouldn't have a drawback

[summer nacelle]

sbody and qs elevate each other by at least two tiers

if qs didn't exist, i'd put sbody on top of B rank

if sb didn't exist, i'd put qs in the middle of C rank

[shrewd nymph]

Why is catcher in c

[foggy sable]

that's what I said

[shrewd nymph]

Qslash c????

[livid crater]

move it

[foggy sable]

everyone also underrates catcher

I would put qs no sbody in b probably

[shrewd nymph]

There is something fundamentally wrong with that statement

[summer nacelle]

again, i'm saying IF sb didn't exist

but it does, so qs is A tier

[foggy sable]

maybe c as well

[shrewd nymph]

Qslash A LMAOOOOO

[foggy sable]

quickslash is more damage than strength and more soul gen than soul eater

[shrewd nymph]

oh boy its so wraps

[shrewd nymph]

Less than eater but very close

[sacred thunder]

A?!

[livid crater]

guys you can make changes if you don't like anything in my tier list

[sacred thunder]

it's probably second to best

charms of all time

[shrewd nymph]

If people gotta change it then its just a community tier list, stick with your opinions dw

[livid crater]

oh ok

lemme refine my own opinions

[sacred thunder]

I personally don't see a use for dream welder

[summer nacelle]

sb does the heavy lifting

qs and sb are like the meme where the strong general and the wife who secretly makes all decisions meme

sb is the wife

[foggy sable]

this is preference not just strength

[sweet pivot]

if i overcharm against a boss that deals 2 masks damage is that gonna go upto 4?

[sacred thunder]

can someone send the link I'll make a list too

[foggy sable]

sb is garbage on its own

[sacred thunder]

yep

[sweet pivot]

even dream bosses?

[sacred thunder]

there's a way to get 8 masks of damage prrhit

[sacred thunder]

yep

[livid crater]

the fact that fury is in S and flukenest isn't also in S is kinda crazy cus like it means you have skill to use flukenest to its full potential

[summer nacelle]

dude give me a reason, please

don't just say the same thing over and over again

defend your opinion

[foggy sable]

I can use flukenest but I don't like it

[foggy sable]

you haven't defended sbody

[vivid creek]

There are still a few things I'm not 100% sure on with this list
Placing soul catcher is hard for some reason, I feel like it could be higher, but it's only gives enough soul for an extra spell after 11 nail strikes, or lets you cast one slightly sooner ig
Mathamatically twister is only slightly better than catcher but in practice it feels so much stronger being able to cast 33% extra spells than gaining 27% extra soul

I don't have a ton of experience with fury or flukes so I can't say which is stronger
qfocus could potentially be higher, but my nmg bias is showing there

[summer nacelle]

yes i have?!

[sacred thunder]

understandable

[summer nacelle]

i've given the platform bosses reason

[foggy sable]

not in a way that matters, without qs the air control isn't needed and it inhibits keeping at the edge of range\

[summer nacelle]

and the bullet hell reason

[foggy sable]

for the bullet hell bosses you just use nail arts

so it doesn't do anything

[livid crater]

oh ok

[summer nacelle]

ok arguing against you is just pointless

[sacred thunder]

can anyone send me the tier list link? 🧍🏻

[summer nacelle]

you're too dismissive

[foggy sable]

air control doesn't matter either because the attack speed is slow enough that you can control it

in all the runs that don't use qs nail arts are the main form of nail damage

or at least more heavily leaned upon

so sbody doesn't do anything there

[sacred thunder]

sbody can't be used in spell builds but qslash can

[summer nacelle]

oi @true cliff have you found the king's crown?

[true cliff]

no

the waht

[summer nacelle]

"after the boss, go find the king's crown"

did you not read my hint poem

[vivid creek]

I am curious about the catcher logic btw
I always struggle to rank it because mathamatically it's decent but it hardly feels like it does anything, esp compared to twister

[true cliff]

idk bro im in the shit awter zone

[foggy sable]

catcher is about 25% extra soul I think

slightly more

[vivid creek]

27.27%

[sacred thunder]

you mean brand?

[summer nacelle]

oh you're fucked lmao

[true cliff]

i thought that was some extra thing to make it more whimsical

[sacred thunder]

I think now you get it

[summer nacelle]

yes but Brinix doesn't want spoilers

[foggy sable]

and so someone did the maths where if less than 70-80% of your soul is spent on spells it is better soul generation wise than twister

but catcher has this reputation of being worse for some reason

[summer nacelle]

uh hold on

[hearty palm]

MY GOAT GRIMM CHILD SHOULDVE BEEN S TIER

[summer nacelle]

i think you made a typo

[real pasture]

They meant “twister”

Reputation of being better

[foggy sable]

yep

[summer nacelle]

right?

[vivid creek]

I think my issue with it is that it provides no benefit if at full soul (and it causes you to max faster)
Whereas twister provides benefits while filling the meter and afterward
I suppose it wouldn't matter if spamming spells, idk catcher just feels underwhelming, not bad, just not great

[foggy sable]

I rank twister as better but it isn't as one sided as everyone says

[summer nacelle]

twister also lets you spam 4 spells instead of 3 at a time

[summer nacelle]

ok i agree with this

[true cliff]

wait im not in teh water zone

im still in acnient ass

[vivid creek]

Yea
I don't think it's a sweep for twister but twister is deff better, imo

[foggy sable]

for someone newer catcher may be better a lot of the time

but most people recommend twister still

[vivid creek]

that's fair ig
If more soul is going towards healing

[frozen torrent]

Ппп

[summer nacelle]

shaman being as good as it is lets people slightly overrate twister

[foggy sable]

quick focus + stalwart is the most underrated combo

[summer nacelle]

i need to try that some time

[true cliff]

mf

[foggy sable]

you can entirely comfotably heal in i frames after getting hit

it trivialises all 1 damage fights

[vivid creek]

that's pretty sick ngl

[summer nacelle]

yeah you need "the king's crown" for that door

[brisk steppe]

king's mark

smt Like that

[summer nacelle]

don't say the actual name

it's spoilers uwu

[vivid creek]

Maybe I should bump stalwart up from C tier

[brisk steppe]

?😭 as if your answer was any spoiler free

[foggy sable]

stalwart is pretty much only b because that combo is so strong

[sweet pivot]

i am fighting failed champion and how tuff do these guys think they are in their dreams ;-;

[summer nacelle]

fair enough

[true cliff]

wait the right way isnt waterfalls thing?

[brisk steppe]

for what

[sacred thunder]

at the edge of your little universe you might meet the remains of a wyrm

this should be a good hint on where to go

[true cliff]

tf is a wyrm 😢

[summer nacelle]

don't worry about that

or the king's crown honestly

you should go back to exploring kingdom's edge now

fun things await you there after double jump

[true cliff]

?

[summer nacelle]

you were already there before you detoured for wings

[vivid creek]

Where do you think no sb legacy qs would be?

[shrewd nymph]

lqslash no sbody is a

[true cliff]

y

[foggy sable]

a because it fits in a 2-3-3-3 build

[shrewd nymph]

Because it fits into shaman strength mop

Oh wow great mins think alike

[foggy sable]

and MoP sort of makes up for no sbody with qs

[sweet pivot]

the failed champion just fell down please tell if its a second phase or i won?

[misty umbra]

You won

You did ir ⭐

[vivid creek]

Lqs, str, shamans, twister, sb

[naive dew]

im gooood

[naive dew]

ye

[agile pewter]

Imagine using lqs...

[vivid creek]

Lqs is far before my time anyways

[naive dew]

ok florgy

ok leon

hi leon

[tulip narwhal]

Thats so cool

[naive dew]

hiiii flogyh

[fallow grotto]

❤️ 🐛

[naive dew]

when are ytou hopping on crollab

[foggy sable]

very true

[brisk steppe]

I like this Emoji

[gusty narwhal]

yay first ending done , pretty fun

[tulip narwhal]

Not today :(

Its late

[lusty crypt]

good luck on your 2nd ending

dont leave so soon

[gusty narwhal]

im trying to get the charm now

[naive dew]

damn

gn

[tulip narwhal]

Eeping a bit later

[tired tapir]

EG :D

[tulip narwhal]

Hihihi gwnj

[tired tapir]

hru :D

[real pasture]

He disappeared

[true cliff]

dude

no

why

[vestal sky]

good evening gwenj 👋

[true cliff]

@summer nacelle

[pliant bough]

GD first

[tired tapir]

evening :D

[true cliff]

is there any closer bench cuz im going insane

[summer nacelle]

should be, but i'm not sure

[real pasture]

Yea there is one after doing the double jump to get to her

It’s up after a breakable ceiling

(On the left side after the double jump spot)

[summer nacelle]

oh ok that bench is there

i thought that bench was closer to the other boss

[true cliff]

is she a hard boss

[summer nacelle]

middle of the pack

[limpid summit]

Average

[eager lark]

guys can anyone help me w this controller issue on steam?

please

😭

[true cliff]

new moves huh

[tulip narwhal]

Im good

[tired tapir]

yay :D

[limpid summit]

#hk-help maybe?

[eager lark]

everyone is ignoring the shit out of me

why do you think I came here?

[true cliff]

shes too goof

good

help

[limpid summit]

Yes because no one knows the solution to this problem..

[shadow lily]

I gifted 3 silksong to 3 friends

is that a good christmas gift

[limpid summit]

Not many people play crossplay

Either controller or pc. Not both

[eager lark]

I fr
just have
a ps5 controller
connected to a laptop

[limpid summit]

People rarely play like this

[limpid summit]

Then idk that's something you have to check

[eager lark]

ive been checking for 3 hours :3

[true cliff]

700 health!?!?

dude i give up

wtf

hows this not the hardest boss

[shrewd nymph]

Who?

[shadow lily]

hornet 2

[limpid summit]

Then i'm sorry, idk how to help

[true cliff]

dude i was so close

hornet 2 yes

how many phases things does she have

[pliant bough]

@tulip narwhal can u verify my new level ‼️

[hot tiger]

took me 500 hours

[waxen root]

someone help me

[summer nacelle]

that doesn't sound right

[waxen root]

1st fight ? or different one

[true cliff]

second

[waxen root]

where ?

[true cliff]

no spoilers

[waxen root]

lol

someone help me i am kinda stuck

[red gale]

With what

[waxen root]

can i dm ya ?

[red gale]

Uhhhh sure?

[hallow garden]

which boss took you guys the most attempt on your first playthrough ? Mine's Watcher Knights

[tulip narwhal]

Can u show me

[red gale]

dlc bosses exclused it's probably lost kin

Excluded*

[waxen root]

@red gale check dms

[hallow garden]

lost kin was one of the easier one for me tbh, only took me about 15 mins since i was pretty late game

he is still tanky asf but his moves are a tad bit easier

i hate the blob spam attack that broken vessel had

[red gale]

I struggled bc i couldn't keep up with the jumping tbh

[sand wharf]

uhh if its my first try either broken vessel or uumuu, its not like its hard but it takes so long to kill and i kept on getting hit because you can barely gain soul and i went there litterally the second after getting ismas tear every run

[uneven sleet]

Lost kin or radiance prolly

I was too stubborn to use def crest on lost kin

[hallow garden]

broken vessel was in my top 5 too, pretty hard until i found out about defender's crest

[hallow garden]

radiance was definitely my top 2, the sword rain attack is just so hard to dodge

[uneven sleet]

Ngl sword rain was my saving grace cause thats the only time i could heal

[red gale]

Speaking of radiance

[uneven sleet]

The sword wall and orbs though

[hallow garden]

light beams are my saving grace in that sense then

[red gale]

I've been getting obliterated by absrad for the past 3 hours or so 😭

[uneven sleet]

Oh yeah those too

[sand wharf]

did you not get to ancient basin through royal waterworks???

[uneven sleet]

Gl gng

I am NOT touching p5

[hallow garden]

no, i only thought defender's crest was trash

[red gale]

For the better maybe. Although it's not so much about p5 as it is RadHOG for me

I have no clue how I'll ever do radiant absrad

[shrewd nymph]

You got it dw

[uneven sleet]

How different is absrad from rad anyway

Im in denial cause i cant do boss rushes so ive js been grinding nkg

[red gale]

Coughing baby to hydrogen bomb

[rich stone]

Like it's just a speed difference but it's huge with a extra phace

[sand wharf]

my loadout for it now is just soul eater you would not believe how much stuff you can do with it

[hallow garden]

oh trust me i do, fills up your soul in like 5 hits

[sand wharf]

2 hits to cast a spell/focus

[red gale]

istg the orbs are the worst thing by far

[hallow garden]

shade soul spam goes crazy on every boss tbh

[real pasture]

Extra phase as well Btw

[rich stone]

Ddark spam is even better

[rich stone]

I mentioned that

[sand wharf]

is ts charm fire

[hallow garden]

i frames are everyone's fav

[real pasture]

Oh yep mb

[uneven sleet]

I would like to try absrad sometime but i just cant get through the rest of p5

And half the time its like crytal guard that kills me

[red gale]

Honestly what kills me the most during absrad is the fact my controller doesn't render half the inputs bc it's old as shit🥀

[limpid summit]

Then train in hall of gods

[sand wharf]

my progress is
vengeful spirit
dash
mantis claw
mantis lords (geo and mark of pride)
desolate dive
crystal dash
dream nail
ismas tear
monarch wings
colloseum
hornet 2
abyss
shade cloak
before just doing whatever, mantis lords are pretty much the only boss i go out of my way for

[red gale]

You can shade cloak through him when he does his laser beam attack and spam nail hits

[sand wharf]

mb i forgot ddark before dream nail

[red gale]

That kills him super quickly

[rich stone]

Even for Enraged Guardian which makes it trivial

[sand wharf]

??? you have double jump, just jump over the lasers

or ddark spam

[pliant bough]

lmk when u can start to play!

[hallow garden]

be patient, hes not hard at all

[uneven sleet]

Not crystal guard literally but its almost always the simpler bosses like warrior dreams

[sand wharf]

what. it takes me like 50 tries to beat stereo madness

[tulip narwhal]

I’ve wanted to say a layout to this song before actually

[uneven sleet]

I can no hit nkg and pure vessel but elder hu shows up and its over

[sand wharf]

mf

[pliant bough]

floggy is hotline miami fan

[tulip narwhal]

I’ll get on tomorrow idk

[hallow garden]

markoth is the only problem tbh 😭

[rich stone]

Just shade cloak when he attacks it's trivial

[tulip narwhal]

I heard it in a Celeste map LOL

[sand wharf]

elder hu is actually so easy with void cloak 😭

[true cliff]

Is the upgraded kamekameha hard to get

[uneven sleet]

I forgot abt radiant markoth

[sand wharf]

how new are you

[true cliff]

Newborn

Struggling with hornet 2

And i want more power

[hallow garden]

just keep playing the game, only ask when you cant seem to progress

[red gale]

Markoth to gpz is so annoying

[sand wharf]

markoth... mark oth.... mark of ????? MARKOTH WAS MEANT TO GIVE A CHARM GUYS IM SO SMART

[sand wharf]

you got ddark

descending dark

[true cliff]

Yes

[sand wharf]

uh thats stronger then shade soul

use that

[true cliff]

Harder to use tho

[sand wharf]

no?

[true cliff]

Yes

[hallow garden]

it gives iframes

[rich stone]

But Iframes and it destroys a lot of spikes in the arena

[true cliff]

How big is the hitboc

Hitbox

[sand wharf]

its big

the shockwave

[hallow garden]

clear the shards first then dive

[sand wharf]

oh yea also the spikes

[sand wharf]

shards??

[true cliff]

How many phases does the fucker have

[rich stone]

You mean Hornet 2 she technically has 2 phaces

[sand wharf]

id say 2 no spikes and spikes but every time it rests you can pop in a heal

[hallow garden]

sk spoiler : ||a similar tool in sk is called "sting shard"||

[sand wharf]

oh so i assume you meant spikes

[hallow garden]

yeah basically that

[true cliff]

🤔

[red gale]

You warned that it was an sk spoiler and yet i still clicked on it

[shrewd parcel]

How do u see it tho?

[topaz turret]

hello fello geometri dasher

[sand wharf]

your fault

[hallow garden]

😭

[sand wharf]

show your charms

[red gale]

Curiosity 😭

[true cliff]

Shaman , twister, soul catcher

[raven rock]

hi I've been thinking of buying hollow knight, should I get it on my laptop or switch 2?

[sand wharf]

show me a picture of your charm loadout pls, i wanna see

[sand wharf]

laptop

[raven rock]

alr

[topaz turret]

laptop is way better

[true cliff]

Well i just got the twister i was telling u the loadout ill have when i equip it

[raven rock]

I mean it's a platformer, I would expect as much

[sand wharf]

grubsong shaman spell twister throns of agony or sprintmaster your choice

[sand wharf]

you have been lied to

[opal hearth]

wayward compass and gathering swarm

❤️‍🩹

[raven rock]

🤔

[true cliff]

.

[sand wharf]

use grubsong shaman stone spell twister thorns of agony or sprintmaster, id say sprintmaster is better

[hallow garden]

thorns of agony wastes your iframes so dont use it

[true cliff]

🤔

[hallow garden]

honestly, go get quick slash

[true cliff]

🤔

[hallow garden]

i beat hornet 2 by patiently using my damn nail with quick slash

[calm goblet]

YES

[sand wharf]

hornets not good for quickslash

spells are better because hornet moves alot

just dont use vengeful

[hallow garden]

it depends on how people want to play so

i mean spells are much better

[true cliff]

Should i get an extra notch

[hallow garden]

but i suck with positioning myself to use them

[astral hornet]

why does pure vessel look exactly like mantis lords

[astral hornet]

yes

[hallow garden]

if you think you cant beat her, go get it

i got like 2 extra notches so that quick focus would fit in my build

[sand wharf]

if you didnt get colo one

[true cliff]

I did

I can buy 3 random charms and get the salubra notch

No?

[hallow garden]

yes

but colo gives another

the more the merrier

[sand wharf]

buy quick focus lifeblood thing and heavy body or whatever it is

then equip quick focus

[sweet pivot]

does path of pain have any checkpoints

[real pasture]

Not benches

[onyx wigeon]

Yes

[real pasture]

But there are several infinite soul totems

[umbral schooner]

I almost did P5 nailless

[onyx wigeon]

ok

[foggy sable]

pretty nice

if only it was possibly with no nail hits at all

[true cliff]

Quick focus + what

[subtle phoenix]

any tips for p3 i fucking hate gpz and every other boss past grimm i cant take this shit anymore

[true cliff]

Start by adding wayward compass

[subtle phoenix]

start by making better jokes

[foggy sable]

so for galien start the fight with 2 free abyss shrieks before the fight starts properly

[true cliff]

Dude has no joy 😭

[foggy sable]

for uumuu get 2 dream nails at the start and use shade souls to shoot the jellies into uumuu, dream nail the jellies after uumuu is dead

[subtle phoenix]

its just not funny

[foggy sable]

zote it depends on what is killing you but you can heal 1 or dream nail each stagger

sly stay at distance and only punish the tripe hit and 180 attacks

hornet 2 stay away from the right side of the arena and use spells to destroy the spikes

[sweet pivot]

i think it needs more buzzsaws

[quartz cave]

at sign grry fire

grey

[foggy sable]

at sign oswald

hru

[tame coral]

I beated nkg🥹

After 3-4 hours

[lusty crypt]

practice gpz in hall of gods

his mid spin in the air can be countered by dashing back i think

[sweet pivot]

anyone here who knows how to make a mod please make one where we have to fight all bosses together or all bosses fused into one

[sweet pivot]

still easier than path of pain

[fallow grotto]

😂 🤣

[lusty crypt]

Hallownests Superweapon

at first i took the L but then i locked in

[sweet pivot]

GOD DAMN FINALLY

[noble coyote]

My man fighting The Invincible, Fearless, Sensual, Mysterious, Enchanting, Vigorous, Diligent, Overwhelming, Gorgeous, Passionate, Terrifying, Beautiful, Powerful Grey Prince Zote

[peak hound]

you can use the most definitive hk charm setup ever
qslash, shaman, strength, spell twister
it works for literally anything

[subtle phoenix]

this sections easy

1st section not really

[waxen root]

someone help me pls

[round comet]

My man fighting The Invincible, Fearless, Sensual, Mysterious, Enchanting, Vigorous, Diligent, Overwhelming, Gorgeous, Passionate, Terrifying, Beautiful, Powerful Grey Prince Zote
That is the most heroic zote of them all

[waxen root]

;-;

[subtle phoenix]

ok im helping

maybe

[waxen root]

can i dm u ?

[subtle phoenix]

what do you need help with

[waxen root]

;-;

[subtle phoenix]

sure

[waxen root]

koki

oki

[noble coyote]

I don’t see the word “herotic” in his name

So he’s not a hero

[round comet]

To me he is lol
People think the HK is a God in hk

[noble coyote]

Isn’t he tho ?

[lusty crypt]

"born of god and void" are they not a higher being by that standard

[round comet]

I HAVEN'T PLAYED HOLLOW KNIGHT IN A WEEK BRU😭

[noble coyote]

Lmaooo

I haven’t been playing hk since I’m too focused on silksong

[peak hound]

he is up there, probably
he kept a god sealed in his mind for a long time
he would have fully done it if he didn't make the mistake of having feelings

[lusty crypt]

im doing steel soul silksong💔

[noble coyote]

Well the pale king was the one who did the mistake by raising him

[noble coyote]

Goodluck on that 💀

[lusty crypt]

im actually doing pretty well for a first attempt

act 2 is around the corner

[elder oriole]

Damn pigdog capitalist cornifer

[noble coyote]

I didn’t try it since I just unlocked act 3 today

I played a bit of it

And damn

Maybe bile water isn’t that bad after all

[wind garnet]

I found like 10-20 3 weeks from release

[rich stone]

Bilewater is a test to see whether your ready for Act 3

[clever ridge]

what charms should I use to kill radiance and tips too anyone?

[foggy sable]

it reminds me of someone who said rabHoG was harder than r5 because they could only find 2 videos of it

[wind garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/minions-lol-laugh-despicable-me-gif-4519855

[foggy sable]

I know

[digital abyss]

suscat..

[wind garnet]

I found a ton of stuff on bilibili

[wind garnet]

[cyan geyser]

does hall of god count as percentage?

[willow mica]

this steam winter sale has got me gawking more than i gawk at latinos

90% off bendy

[foggy sable]

I linked a video of rabHoG and all they said was I guess there are 3 other clears

[wind garnet]

Naw

[willow mica]

and the ink machine

its 1 mfg dollar

[foggy sable]

I think braincells were lost that day

[wind garnet]

Not even rhogab is harder

[willow mica]

silksong is 20% off
subnautica is like 60% off

[foggy sable]

it was very strange

[wind garnet]

Some people man

[foggy sable]

yep

[wind garnet]

Any rad cord has had a influx of new gen players and I’m starting to get real pissed off

I’m starting to lose my filter

[foggy sable]

I'm running a tally with lune about how many people there are showing off obviously faked p5abs

[minor cedar]

do you not like new players or smth

[foggy sable]

and of course there was someone claiming to do top 30 world pantheon times in their first time doing it with grimmchild and lifeblood charms

[wind garnet]

Its not like that

[fallow grotto]

do you not like new players?

do you dislike them?

what do you have to say for yourself?

[wind garnet]

This is interesting

[fallow grotto]

do you just want to “remove them all”

[foggy sable]

it was so funny

they pretended to die and respawn in p5 as well

[fallow grotto]

sir suscat?

why do you hate “newgen” players

[wind garnet]

Chill with the pings big dawg

[foggy sable]

huge takes actually

[fallow grotto]

is there a reason your ignoring these messages?

do you hate them all?

suscat you cant hide forever

the truth will come out

[wind garnet]

I already answered

[foggy sable]

the problem isn't new players (I think I count as a new player) the problem is people thinking they invented the wheel

[agile pewter]

@wind garnet fat

[wind garnet]

[fallow grotto]

“Its not like that” is not a definite answer

do you

or do you not

[foggy sable]

and also anyrad attracts overconfident people who think they are the best hk players to ever live

[fallow grotto]

HATE “newgens”

[foggy sable]

because it is famous

[digital abyss]

this could never be true

[wind garnet]

💀

[fallow grotto]

yes this is true

[wind garnet]

Oj was one

[fallow grotto]

they name is greyfire

!!

[agile pewter]

Hai

[foggy sable]

hihi hru

[sweet pivot]

if i quit in path of pain i lose all progress?

[sweet pivot]

or die

[long gazelle]

🤫

[vestal oxide]

Wowie i got to nkg's second puffer attack

Anybody got tips on dodging it reliably?

[wind garnet]

Move around

[foggy sable]

every 4th wave is a ground double

[wind garnet]

[true cliff]

genuine help

I beg

[foggy sable]

there are 12 total waves so you can easily keep track of how long left

[wind garnet]

[true cliff]

For the past 2 hours

Ive been fighting hornet 2

I cant

Why

Why

Why

[wind garnet]

Romer

[long gazelle]

[wind garnet]

P7 creator romar

[gloomy wedge]

Makes sense bcs I left hornet 2 and then go back to her on my first play through

[strong skiff]

Chat random question,how many blocks underground do you have to be on the main end island to be complitelly invincible?

[true cliff]

???

[strong skiff]

🐈‍⬛

[elder oriole]

Hi suscat

[strong skiff]

❓️❓️❓️

[gloomy wedge]

Wdym by that

[wind garnet]

Yo

[elder oriole]

67

[proud haven]

Hi super sigmas

[strong skiff]

Is being one block under the surface enough for the dragon to not get you

[shrewd nymph]

Maybe thats the strat and we're just overlooking it smh

[digital abyss]

im pretty sure

[elder oriole]

No

[gloomy wedge]

Is this minecraft

[strong skiff]

Duh

[proud haven]

Mc-discussion fr

[elder oriole]

Im pretty sure the dragon can phase through blocks

[gloomy wedge]

No

[digital abyss]

why do you wanna be underground tho smh just kill the dragon

[strong skiff]

Thats why im asking

[elder oriole]

And I'm telling you

[strong skiff]

Ok sherlock

[proud haven]

Just go like 3 blocks under and you're good fr

[foggy sable]

I run r5 for 2 seconds and realise why it sucks again

[gloomy wedge]

This is hk-discussion not mc-discussion

[elder oriole]

Tangerines

Tangerines discussion

[gloomy wedge]

Not oranges

[vestal flower]

Hello, I have a question regarding Watcher Knights

I recently found out (too late) that you can drop one of the lights down. What does it do?

[proud haven]

Kills one of them

Fight one less

[sand wharf]

they said tangerines dumb ass

[sand wharf]

kills 1

[gloomy wedge]

Ik

[sand wharf]

oh you meant it like that

[vestal flower]

:/

[proud haven]

"They said tiny orange not big oranges dumbass"
What r we doing bro

[vestal flower]

Welp, too late for that now

Hold up, but does the light trick exist in the Pantheons too?

[proud haven]

No

[sand wharf]

no

[vestal flower]

Damn

[cyan geyser]

is that ralsei from hit indie game deltarube>

[sand wharf]

that would make no sense

[gloomy wedge]

Deltarune

[sand wharf]

whats deltarube

[vestal flower]

I had suck bad luck with them, they would just casually combo me when I didnt have the Shadow Cloak active

[vestal oxide]

what the fuck i just parried nkg's uppercut dash

[vestal flower]

Btw, since the first knight is technically easier then the others, can't you just keep him alive? So you only have to fight an actual threat at once?

[cyan geyser]

oopsy doopsy cheam terry sloopy 2: they put the path from cot to godhome room as in dirtmouth

whats the best loadout from p-3

[glossy talon]

I'm sorry if you thought I was weird 😔

[quartz cave]

no its ok lolz

i just dont know why you wouldnt use ur main ngl

[shrewd nymph]

Is that the real oswald

Or a fan account

[quartz cave]

i fear it is so

hi lune hyd

[shrewd nymph]

Hiii im doing good

Maybe bc im not playing like any hk

Hru

[glossy talon]

Well originally this account was meant to troll other people but then I joined hkdisc and was like hey I wanna do smth so I decided to do smth

[quartz cave]

thats awesome

[quartz cave]

idk

[shrewd nymph]

Huhhh

[quartz cave]

i love trolling gurbmog

[cyan geyser]

whats the best loadout from FUCKING p4

[potent monolith]

bro it was 2 high swords in a row, I'm just dead

[shrewd nymph]

Qslash strength shaman/mop sbody nmg/grubsong

[foggy sable]

lost kin triple hit shade soul no way

those are great

[cobalt tusk]

Feelin a bit masochistic today

[rare aurora]

hollow mid

[tawny heart]

The Knight: man Pharmloom is easy, wonder how Hornet is doing here

Hornet:

[spiral vault]

Empty nutella

[cobalt tusk]

"beating Path of Pain as Hornet would be easy, but beating the entirety of Silksong as the Knight is like turning on easy mode"

[tawny heart]

Nutella:3

[lime ruin]

I beat absrad twice in hall of gods

I think I can do it

[lime ruin]

You can't actually beat it as the knight if you started with the same presets as hornet

[river scaffold]

I probably could

Cuz im sigma

[potent monolith]

hm, my pb in absrad is always around 4 hits, 3 if lucky in phase 2

pretty much always on 1 mask after the climb

wish there's a way to dim the bg a bit, unlike with PV it's so much less reactable with both visual & audio cue

[shrewd nymph]

bg?

background?

[potent monolith]

yes

PV fight was white on black, absrad was white gold on gold

[shrewd nymph]

Theres a mod to make it black but yeah it is definitely like that some times

She telegraphs with her face most of the time

[ancient ravine]

p5?

[vernal prairie]

Why does hornet have so many skills she can use and yet be 100 times weaker than the knight?

Also why can't hornet use soul?

[potent monolith]

HoG, ascended absrad

[midnight halo]

hi

[potent monolith]

50% of my deaths are at final phase after eating 3 hits

[midnight halo]

bombastic side eye

[ancient ravine]

oh

[tawdry magnet]

because she might end up like one of these guys

[vernal prairie]

Why is the knight not this?

[spiral vault]

Hornet does use soul doesnt she

Her silk is soul

[vernal prairie]

She does?only thing she does is drug

[tawdry magnet]

probably because no mind to think no will to break or something

[vernal prairie]

Noo pretty sure the silk comes out of her buttocks like every other spider.

[spiral vault]

No

[vernal prairie]

I see

[tawdry magnet]

it functions the same way as soul in hk but it cant actually be her soul

[spiral vault]

Yes it can

[vernal prairie]

Yeah soul is obtained by whopping ass but silk comes from hornet's own ass(she is a spider)

[tawdry magnet]

alright well we probably shouldnt talk about silksong here anyways

[spiral vault]

Hornet is in hollow knight

[vernal prairie]

Yeah she gets whopped two times

I personally whopped her as well

[spiral vault]

Thanks for telling.me

[limpid summit]

Yo guys how do you even enter fungal wastes the first time?

I'm doing steel soul and i genuinely forgot 🥀

[frosty gulch]

Just go to the fig canyon

[spiral vault]

Greenpath

[vernal prairie]

Btw I bought everything from sly and salubra(except for her blessings) I also have unbreakable strength and heart.now I have 8k geo but where do I use it?

[limpid summit]

I got to the queen's station but i can't reach the other side, i need dash/wall climb and i have neither

[vernal prairie]

There is no place for me to use geo

[limpid summit]

Unbreakable greed?

[frosty gulch]

Then beat hornet

[limpid summit]

Can't reach her without wall climb

[frosty gulch]

You can

[limpid summit]

No you can't

[vernal prairie]

That useless but maybe I will get it since I have so much geo to spare

[frosty gulch]

Yes you can

[frosty gulch]

Wrrong place

[limpid summit]

Picture i took earlier today

[limpid summit]

Huh

[spiral vault]

Bru

Neph 🤦‍♂️

[frosty gulch]

Go to the left pfd tbe guanti vengefly andf then down

Oh my god my keybord

[limpid summit]

Vengefly gauntlet?

You mean

Or you mean giant vengefly as in vengefly king

[frosty gulch]

Giant vengefly

My keyboard has some issues

[limpid summit]

Bro i almost died to a mosscreep

What a good way it would've been to end the run 🥀

[limpid summit]

Alr

[earnest widget]

you can also go through a room left of the aspid gauntlet

though looking at the image it doesn't seem like you've beaten hornet yet?

finally

steel soul/heart was honestly more time consuming than anything else

[limpid summit]

I'm trying to reach her rn

[earnest widget]

hornet is on that weird drawing of three pillars

[frosty gulch]

@earnest widget yeah

[limpid summit]

Yes but i normally couldn't go there, but mattia told me to go from above

Should i leave zote to die or nah?

[earnest widget]

yeah, inside the room beside it is a lever to open it

[frosty gulch]

Not to get hated but i think that the difficulty of hollow knight is overrated

Let zote die

[limpid summit]

Bet

[earnest widget]

i honestly think it's perfectly "rated"

[limpid summit]

...

Welp, first death

[frosty gulch]

I think is not as hard as most people say it is

[limpid summit]

Dang

[earnest widget]

the problem is steel soul which has the same issue as any other perfect/no deaths thingy

[limpid summit]

I did not expect 2 moss guards to appear.

Unfortunate, but eh, it was just the beginning...

At least

[earnest widget]

it's all about being paranoid, not making small mistakes and preparing for big choke points

[meager crane]

Give me an interesting charm combo, i will beat radiant mantis lords with it

It doesnt needs to be so good

[earnest widget]

which is why it's more practical to just do 100% in the same run as the clear the game run

[meager crane]

But it would be good if its not so bad

[limpid summit]

Defender crest, flukenest, heavy blow, glowing womb, grimmchild, weaversong

:)

[meager crane]

What is even that lol

[limpid summit]

Idk lmfao

[meager crane]

Not even longnail bruh

[limpid summit]

no

[ancient ravine]

LET'SSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

time for more practice to do it in p5

[limpid summit]

Ggggg

[flat vale]

CONGRATS!!!

🥳

[ancient ravine]

thxx

[ancient ravine]

tysm

[cyan geyser]

whats the best loadout for p3?

[lapis musk]

strength qslash shaman/mop sbody nmg/grubsong

[inland pagoda]

good luck on p5 twin

[cyan geyser]

awnser

whats the best for p3

[meager crane]

Took 5 tries

[limpid summit]

@cyan geyser

[meager crane]

Did u just gave the worst charms?

[limpid summit]

He answered you.
._.

[ancient ravine]

i wish

[meager crane]

I noticed it now

[cyan geyser]

thats p4 a misstype

[limpid summit]

Uh...most of them

[meager crane]

Idk why but mantises kept exploding

[inland pagoda]

uhhh like strength, qs, shamans, longnail
or replace longnail with grubsong and nmg