hk-discussion

[frank estuary]

Oh really, i wanna play it so bad, but ill wait.

[tough glen]

yeah good luck with steel soul

[random flare]

aight guys we good?

[red yoke]

Guys I just need 1k morw to buy Unbreakable strength

[frank estuary]

[random flare]

dude i swear to god if this is easier than that boss

i am going to lose it

[tough glen]

yeah not that hard

[frank estuary]

Colo is the best

[random flare]

its whatever i can come back to that boss later its not like the game actually ends

[red yoke]

What is Colo?

Oh

[tough glen]

the guy legit stab himself

[frank estuary]

THK is easy

[tough glen]

push over

[red yoke]

Ye so

[frank estuary]

Colosseum

[tough glen]

compare to radience

[red yoke]

I suck

...

[frank estuary]

Just do colo 1

[old lake]

Lmao for me Hollow knight was easier than hornet 1 🥀

[tough glen]

trial 1 aint that bad

[foggy sable]

thk and wk were the 2 bosses that took the longest to do the first time

[random flare]

oh i can see now thank you

[frank estuary]

Colo 2 and 3 are harf without practise

[red yoke]

Alright I will give it a try

[old lake]

U have a long way to go blud

[tough glen]

you still have a long way to go

well you can beat the game but there is more stuff

[red yoke]

But when I try to go there it's blocked I am in kings station can I have route?

[old lake]

If you go blind like atleast 10 hours

[random flare]

what am i supposed to do here

[tough glen]

the secret route under the bottom of king station

[old lake]

Go. Fight. Hollow knight

[random flare]

nvm i see

[shrewd nymph]

thk makes sense

[frank estuary]

Thats a bit too much, i got 112 in less than 35 hours going blindly with one help in soul sanctum in dc

[foggy sable]

they took longer than pv or nkg or absrad or all of that

[red yoke]

Oh form kingdoms edge

[shrewd nymph]

oh you were including them

wow

[foggy sable]

3 hours for wk

[red yoke]

I will tey to find it.

[tough glen]

yup and just go up

[old lake]

I dont wanna be mean but kust play the game bro stop asking like tf

[foggy sable]

and about 2 for thk

[old lake]

Well it depends on the player

[red yoke]

Alright.

[foggy sable]

(6hp 1 nail upgrade and no shade cloak is not very good upgrades when you don't know what a spell is)

[red yoke]

I crazy thing is

I play on moblie

[tough glen]

you get unbreakable strength before any column damn

[frank estuary]

True but 10 hours for the last 41 % is bit too long for anybody (or maybe not idk)

[ancient ravine]

now p2 bosses (easier than p1 except for sob)

[red yoke]

Alright....

[tawny heart]

Guys disaster, I died to fucking hive Knight in p3, this is tragic, it'd truly unBEElievable

[random flare]

well damn it ig

nah

ill beat it 2nd try

this shi easy

[tough glen]

yeah

it is not that hard

[frank estuary]

... lame

[old lake]

Hornet 1 took me 17 tries
THK only 2

[tawny heart]

In my defense I haven't slept in 2 days

[tough glen]

go to sleepppp

[tawny heart]

NO

[frank estuary]

Fair enough go to sleep and rest

[tough glen]

i mean you do you but go to sleep legit

[grand solar]

hi

[old lake]

I went from 71 to 94 in 6 hours

[random flare]

damn it

this is easy im just stupid

[frank estuary]

Hello

[grand solar]

i dont play hollow knight on pc but i play it on console

[tawny heart]

But sleep is lame:(

[tough glen]

sup

[red yoke]

For god sake pls get more mask or good charms it's not that hard. Except when your try to kill the radiance

[grand solar]

i have a question

[frank estuary]

I mean you can die from lack of sleep

[old lake]

Is it bad for the 1st playthrough

[grand solar]

whats the second ability u get in hollow knight

[red yoke]

True

[tawny heart]

That takes like months, I'll be fi-

dies

[frank estuary]

Ok so i was a bit too fast mb

[red yoke]

Where you at rn

[frank estuary]

5 days is enough i think

[tough glen]

no

[grand solar]

i just got vengeful spirit

[red yoke]

Oh.

[grand solar]

2 or 3 mask shards

and 1 soul vessel

[red yoke]

Did you kill hornet

[tawny heart]

I'll sleep tonight cuz school

[grand solar]

nope

didnt beat hornet yet

[red yoke]

Kill her first .

[tough glen]

i got stuck in fungal for like 20 hours in my fist playthrough only to get all achievements hollow knight did a pretty bad job at guiding the player unlike silk song

[grand solar]

ok

[old lake]

U know resident evil ? Leon is back

[red yoke]

So you explore more areas

[grand solar]

yeah

[frank estuary]

Ah school, you reminded me of rotational motion, im suffering now

[random flare]

nah

i just beat it

[grand solar]

found greenpath and crystal peak last time

[tawny heart]

Lmao

[finite ember]

yappiiiii

[tough glen]

let go

[red yoke]

Lamo

[finite ember]

of what

[frank estuary]

Congrats

[tough glen]

another fellow p5

[red yoke]

What p5

[shrewd nymph]

[frank estuary]

He means lets go not let go

[red yoke]

?

[finite ember]

i know but im funny like thgat

[grand solar]

i cant send screenshots here since my hollow knight progress is on console [ps5]

[frank estuary]

You wont know yet

[red yoke]

Ok.

[tough glen]

just go and play the game man you will be spoiled here

[red yoke]

Is it hard

[grand solar]

[red yoke]

?

[random flare]

thank you for watching main sucks at hollow knight episode 3

ok im just kidding theres more to this ofc

[frank estuary]

Yes 112%

[red yoke]

[frank estuary]

Congrarts now do 112%

[tough glen]

yeah if you do the side content it is hard

[grand solar]

yeahh my younger sister using the ps5 rn

[random flare]

i'll tryt lmfao

[frank estuary]

Best of luck and enjoy

[tough glen]

dw it is not that bad

[tough glen]

1 word decending dark

[random flare]

thats 2 words

[frank estuary]

Am i the only one whos bad at using nail arts and spell?

[grand solar]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-primal-aspid-terminated-boss-prototype-gif-16096096733080493579

[random flare]

i dont use the nail arts

lmao

[shrewd nymph]

people not using nail arts is really common

[frank estuary]

Primal aspid is not that bad

[tough glen]

nah nail art is pretty underwelming

[shrewd nymph]

most people dont learn them until they do all bindings

but then you realise how great they are

[tough glen]

spell is great

my beloved decending dark

[grand solar]

ok

[frank estuary]

Yeah i remember ss telling me that, i gotta do bindings when i play hk again

[random flare]

steel soul mode unlocked

tahnks man

i dont need it now

[copper spruce]

it's not thorns of agony

so it sucks

[lapis musk]

true

[tough glen]

wtf you good

[copper spruce]

yes

[frank estuary]

Hello

[copper spruce]

I am good

[ancient ravine]

moving on to p3 bosses

[frank estuary]

How come you came the moment i said your name and lune dissapeared

[shrewd nymph]

im here

[lapis musk]

idk

[frank estuary]

Oh nvm mb

[random flare]

now let me go get more masks

[lapis musk]

[tough glen]

every mask is easy excepth the flower

[random flare]

o

okay i see one

[frank estuary]

Anyways hows you r5 doing?

[copper spruce]

Close

again

but close is never good enough

as they say

[tough glen]

what you doing

[random flare]

hmmm how do you get up there

[frank estuary]

I guess he was talking to himself

[gritty plover]

What’s highest possible nail dps

[frank estuary]

Go far left then climb up

[frank estuary]

Wait..... you havent got bretta yet..... 🫡

[random flare]

no i never figured out how to

[gritty plover]

Get wall climb

[frank estuary]

Just go left of the statue

[shrewd nymph]

220 excluding animation cancels

[signal parcel]

OKAY

[random flare]

sigh

[signal parcel]

ALRIGHT

[random flare]

bruh

[shrewd nymph]

If we include nailturns its higher

[signal parcel]

I SAW THE TENDRIL ATTACKS

[gritty plover]

Go foward

[tough glen]

let go you can do it it is close

[frank estuary]

You didnt find that place before did you

[shrewd nymph]

33%hp or less

You got it

[random flare]

i did not

[frank estuary]

Yes your 3/4 done

[tough glen]

just wall climb to her lol

[signal parcel]

i gotta sleep soon i got shit to do tmrw sadly but ill do a few more runs then sleep on it

[tough glen]

for 1 more mask

[frank estuary]

🫡 🫡

[signal parcel]

@random flare dont save her

[tough glen]

you got this and p5

[tough glen]

why 1 more mask

[signal parcel]

she fucking betrays us

[tough glen]

ohh zote

[frank estuary]

Oh yeah she cheats on you sadly

[tough glen]

haha that mf

[random flare]

unforuntalely too late

[signal parcel]

leave her to rot in the dark place of mushrooms

[tough glen]

if you don't save zote she is your

[signal parcel]

i dont care.

[tough glen]

zote is the problem

fuckk zote

go back to shell wood

[signal parcel]

she betrays us in one timeline, she would betray us in all of them

get back to your mommy greyroot

[marsh torrent]

so i went to the abyss and got shade cloak, what now

[random flare]

oh i need to go

[frank estuary]

I mean she changes her heart for a old man so fast, you cant trust her

[frank estuary]

Bye

[frank estuary]

Traitor lord

[random flare]

no no

i mean i need to go to the hive

[signal parcel]

fifty six precepts none of them will stop me from railing your ass

[marsh torrent]

the what

[random flare]

i havent explored that yet

[copper spruce]

@shrewd nymph

@shrewd nymph

I can

almost cry

rn

#hk-general

[frank estuary]

Queens gardern

[marsh torrent]

gardern

[vernal prairie]

Any tips on first trial?

[copper spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/gundam-unicorn-suit-anime-gif-16340491

[tough glen]

not that bad tbh

[ancient ravine]

damn it, uuumuu killed me

[vernal prairie]

I only have one nail upgrade

[tough glen]

chill it is not that bad

[frank estuary]

Ugh , th has to leave a sour taste right

[tough glen]

dw we all been there

[signal parcel]

oh my god i keep fucking dying to the shooting attack bc i always stay int he air preemptively

[tough glen]

fuck the most annoying boss in the game

[signal parcel]

which gundam is this from??

[tough glen]

try to shadow dash later

[signal parcel]

patience... patience....

[tough glen]

pure vessle is a patient game

[copper spruce]

Unicorn

[red yoke]

Hm guys I messed up

[frank estuary]

I felt no-eyes radiant the most annoying (yes im bad)

[tough glen]

yeah she suckk too]

[grand solar]

https://tenor.com/view/arson-gif-1306326127125750170

i like fire

[tough glen]

if is not for the good lore and atmostphere she would just suck

tbh all dream boss is pretty bad

the more i think about it exexpt gorb

ascend with gorb

[signal parcel]

precept 23

[dim wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/the-roaring-knight-deltarune-dancing-gangnam-style-roaring-knight-gif-3755995978636297230

[frank estuary]

Oh wait sent wrong image mb

[dim wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/the-knight-hollow-knight-hornet-silksong-big-shoes-gif-9566239119138647431

[frank estuary]

Fun fact abt voice actors

[dim wasp]

two knights

[tough glen]

man should i try cuphead seem like a perfect fit for me after trying enter the gungeon

[signal parcel]

precept 23: identify the foe's weak point.

precept 24: strike the foe's weak point

foe: pure vessel
weak point: above
analysis: pogo above the foe

[frank estuary]

The fact thatgrubs and zote share the same voice XD

[random flare]

aight

[tough glen]

holyy shit onlyy 180 vnd let go

[frank estuary]

Its quite easy enjoy

[tough glen]

bee careful

[grand solar]

guys look i found something

https://tenor.com/view/super-mario-bros-toy-weird-mario-kart-tik-tok-gif-1396727617387259110

[tough glen]

sexy italian man

[grand solar]

what

[silent reef]

I hate hk
my dumbass was 11 geo short for fragile strength so I fully forgot to buy it so when I got to colo 3 I didnt have it and thus fucking died

[grand solar]

cant stop laughing

[frank estuary]

I have question what do you all see this image as, (i see my self abt to become the hollow knight when i as a kid)

[tough glen]

rusted nail

[grand solar]

i see a bazooka

[tough glen]

and good for beating kids

[frank estuary]

... abuse

[tough glen]

i'm asian

[frank estuary]

Me too

[silent reef]

toilet paper middle thing

[valid meteor]

hi

[grand solar]

bat*

i see a bat mb

xd

[frank estuary]

You def cant understand it

[grand solar]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-vào-mặt-cái-cám-bonk-anime-bonk-meme-bonk-dog-gif-26069974

[silent reef]

enlighten me?

[tough glen]

dude it did legit no damage my mom used to hit me with a doi mây look that up

[frank estuary]

Its a sword/lightsaber/bazooka. What not

[silent reef]

I used to use sticks for that

[frank estuary]

I got hit by a belt more though

[signal parcel]

place 🤮 🤮 place, (asian country) ✨ 😍

[tough glen]

some children now a day really need a beating

[frank estuary]

Is that not a type a stick?

[silent reef]

what the frick dude

[silent reef]

no

[valid meteor]

wait wait

[valid meteor]

your a girl?

[shrewd nymph]

uh oh

[tough glen]

it help build discipline and make us behave better lol

[frank estuary]

Ok, people have different perspectives

[opal hearth]

sorcerers staff

[valid meteor]

i thought you were a guy 😭

[valid meteor]

hi lune

[shrewd nymph]

hellooo

[grand solar]

guys

[valid meteor]

hru

[frank estuary]

Agreed see @silent reef everyone has a wide imagination

[tough glen]

yeah tbh asian just have more difficulty compare to other region the more i think about it

[grand solar]

every weapon is a stick

[shrewd nymph]

Good good, got e33 today and its so peak

hbu

[silent reef]

ok well I used like sticks that you find outside

to hit my little brother

[valid meteor]

im gud,i beat radiance again for fun

i dont have motivation to do pantheons im not gonna lie

[frank estuary]

In terms of studies yes, in terms of parents its just luck

[signal parcel]

all weapons are fancy sticks

[valid meteor]

i cant get through dung defender

[frank estuary]

...

[valid meteor]

a brick isnt

[opal hearth]

one time i found one that was an entire branch and crushed a wall with it

[quartz cave]

@shrewd nymph

[signal parcel]

small heavy stick, checkmate.

[shrewd nymph]

They are hard but just make sure you're max gear, good charm build and be patient with practising

[shrewd nymph]

HI OSWALD

[quartz cave]

HI LUME

LUNE

[tough glen]

nah it is just more difficult ingeneral

[shrewd nymph]

HRU

[valid meteor]

you js put a name on it

hows it a stick

[quartz cave]

IM TRYING TO PREPARE MYSELF MENTALLY FOR SOME MATH WBU

[frank estuary]

Well yeah thats true its a dog eat dog world here

[signal parcel]

a brick is a small and heavy stick, just made of concrete.

[shrewd nymph]

PLAYING E33 ITS SO GOOD AND SHH MATH IS GREAT

[cloud mango]

Wth I do with this

[shrewd nymph]

Get the other half

[cloud mango]

I went through soo much pain and I can’t even use it

[tough glen]

no man stuff just objectively harder here are you are singaporian

[valid meteor]

beat the radiance

[cloud mango]

How

[quartz cave]

E33 SUCKS SILKSOMG SHOULDVE WON ALL CATEGORIES

[valid meteor]

white lady

[quartz cave]

is what id wouldve said if i liked sskong

[cloud mango]

[quartz cave]

but sskong sucks

[shrewd nymph]

Queens garden

[shrewd nymph]

🤨

[subtle glacier]

[shrewd nymph]

Hii choom

[valid meteor]

you get the other half,then you go to the abyss n conver it into void heart

[paper narwhal]

where do i find p5 bro

[cloud mango]

Ah ok

Imma do that tmrw

[tough glen]

jump up

[shrewd nymph]

Up, theres a secret entrance above the spa

[frank estuary]

Oh well in my country it depends on where youre born

[cloud mango]

Because that was the worse time I’ve ever had playing this game

[valid meteor]

ok bro i guess im taking a break from hk

[signal parcel]

is this genuine?

cant tell my brain is melted from pv

[paper narwhal]

up there?

[tough glen]

yeah but ingeneral a kid in asia would have a way more tough life compare to other region with the exception of Africa

[random flare]

okay i think that'll conclude me playing hollow knight for now

im glad i played it but

i'll see if i wanna grind to 112% or something

[subtle glacier]

woah
people stop playing hk?

[tough glen]

the ledge in the hot spring

[frank estuary]

Agreed

[quartz cave]

its okay at best, im not the biggest fan of it

but im not ready to have this convo for the 15th time this week so ill leave it at that

[tough glen]

yeah it is fine get out of fungal waste first

[quartz cave]

[subtle glacier]

it makes for a great casual game but i don’t think it has the same replayability as hk
i personally attribute that to the modding scene not really developing

[quartz cave]

i havent done any proper mod gaming with hk either

[subtle glacier]

bingy…

[quartz cave]

i havent bingy'ed!

bingied?

bingyed

[foggy sable]

no bingy? what is this...

[quartz cave]

but yeah i only played both games (vanilla) and hk felt sm better than sskong

cant talk about sskong here tho :say_no_evil:

whats the monkey emoji

[silent reef]

https://www.tiktok.com/@gbillz/video/7583604682178841869?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc

[quartz cave]

🙊

oh its speak no evil

[tough glen]

just be general no spoiler and it is ok

[shrewd nymph]

Sk kinda eh

[subtle glacier]

silksong movement tech isn’t friendly on my poor little hands

[ancient ravine]

moving on to p3 bosses... again

[subtle glacier]

how to bingy in spite of the pain

[quartz cave]

maybe its because i was rushing through sskong and trying to finish it before exam period so it felt moreso a task than actual gaming

[subtle glacier]

probably that

i enjoyed the game i just am not willing to make a final judgment call until it receives the same post launch support as hk did

[tough glen]

replay it take your time soak everything in

[quartz cave]

i have 3 big complaints about sskomg but cant say cause big brother is lowkenuinely watching

[tough glen]

right now at it current state compare to hk at launch it is objectivly better in my oponion the dlc is carry

[shrewd nymph]

sk bosses are ew

thats my whole reasoning

[tough glen]

bruh on average they are way better than non dlc boss hk

[shrewd nymph]

eh

[tough glen]

wow the massive moss charger

[subtle glacier]

i think they’re similar quality

both have high and lows

[quartz cave]

lune is listening to last words of a shooting star by mitski rn

[shrewd nymph]

its true hk dlcs are a big factor but i dislike sk bosses still

[tough glen]

hk high is better but sk just have overall better boss

[shrewd nymph]

lune is listening to pyro by kings of leon

[tough glen]

like i can only name like 5 bad boss in sk

but in hk man

[quartz cave]

this is false the oracle told me youd be listening to last words of a shootimg star by mitski once i send the link

[subtle glacier]

i don’t agree
i think both highs are similar

[shrewd nymph]

For a casual playthrough they were abt the same but for a high level sk bosses are 90% miserable

[quartz cave]

https://open.spotify.com/track/7gn3NdQez9Pwbqak4gspz5?

[shrewd nymph]

every second boss having || adds || [sk spoiler]

[dim wasp]

yall i just found out some

[shrewd nymph]

When my song ends i will dw

[dim wasp]

desanding dark make dug deffander and white deffander come out of the ground

[tough glen]

you have way more stuffes to work with in silk song || 2 hp dmg|| is anoying but hornet is just a better dps

[quartz cave]

i feel like hk has a big disparity in boss quality (see MMC and Mantis Lords)

sskong is overall more consistent

[shrewd nymph]

sk is like elden ring to me, you can make urself so busted to where you basically choose the difficulty

[quartz cave]

there are objectively better bosses in sskong too but all the movesets feel developed iykwim

[tough glen]

basically in hk

[shrewd nymph]

but also the movement felt off to me, maybe thats part of why i dislike the bosses

[shrewd nymph]

felt forced ngl

[tough glen]

yeah some attack isnt that telegraphed

[quartz cave]

trueth nike

truh nuke

truth nuke

[tough glen]

but it is mile better than all dream boss and mossy

[shrewd nymph]

the difficulty ** in sk bosses felt really forced

A few bosses were peak bc they were hard from their moveset

The others they just raised stats or made more things happen

[quartz cave]

YES PREACH

the artificial difficulity...

[tough glen]

yeah || 2 mask|| dmg is annoying

[subtle glacier]

i’m not gonna say that hk doesn’t have shit bosses like in a world where crystal guardian exists i can’t really defend that aspect, but i think given the simplicity of hk’s combat those bosses make sense

[shrewd nymph]

Like the fact that sk spoiler || savage beastfly || was found SO hard by a large majority of the community while being immensely simple showcases the forced difficulty

[tough glen]

tbh i cant tell the late and the beggining enemy that much legit a random enemy is harder than most boss in hk

[quartz cave]

crystal guardian is peak 😭 the boss fight isnt great sure but the setup for it is cool af like imagine finding a random bug on a bench and fighting for your bench rights

[thick elk]

Is that a ss spoiler

[frank estuary]

But i heard you heal 3 at a time

[quartz cave]

thats cool as FUCK

[shrewd nymph]

yes sorry i should specify

[quartz cave]

chat we are treading into sskong spoilers BIG BROTHER is gonna murder us iirc

[shrewd nymph]

Okay no more sk talk

[tough glen]

yeah that help but it is a hard game where some part just feel hard for the sake of hard

it fit the theme but

man it just ruined a goat game

[frank estuary]

But the game awards were bad, the host made fun sk

[tough glen]

it is legit being judged by people who don't even play video game

[shrewd nymph]

tga are always icky but sk definitely did not deserve goty

[tough glen]

what is matter to you is more important

well experdition 33 is good but not that good

[quartz cave]

league is GOTY in my heart ❤️

[shrewd nymph]

e33 is so so good imo

[quartz cave]

wait lune did i tell you im like rank 752 on league now

[frank estuary]

I didnt mean it should get goty, but the host said that sk won a award in a very sarcastic way

[tough glen]

yeah keep that to yourself

[shrewd nymph]

Im really craving lol rn but i know i shouldnt

[tough glen]

and touch grasses

[shrewd nymph]

Eu or world?

[frank estuary]

Agreed 100%

[quartz cave]

EU im not THAT good

[shrewd nymph]

Ah gotcha

[quartz cave]

thats 0.05% ish

[shrewd nymph]

Ggs

[quartz cave]

server has 1.5 million ppl?

[shrewd nymph]

whos ur main though...

[tough glen]

ew lol player

[quartz cave]

i peaked at 712 but then i went on a evil lose streak...

[shrewd nymph]

Do you still play boring legends

[quartz cave]

mel lux nami milio janna imo.

[shrewd nymph]

girl girl girl girl girl

[quartz cave]

milio is a dude

[shrewd nymph]

Fuck

[tough glen]

enchanter sp even less respectable

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/milio-lol-gif-27694917

[quartz cave]

this is true

[shrewd nymph]

play viego

Be cool

[tough glen]

omg even less respectable somehow

[shrewd nymph]

WHAT

[quartz cave]

but when youre playing against egirl hater v2 and tyrant hmada and fedzed (evil assassin and bruiser players) you have to go cringe enchanters

[shrewd nymph]

animation cancel heaven, immense game knowledge needed

and hes badass

[tough glen]

chad tank engage support

[quartz cave]

its funny that once you reach high masters you start playing against the same people

[quartz cave]

janna milio angle

[shrewd nymph]

I remember when marvel rivals was big and i was top 50 in my region and it was the same fucking 4 stack every game

[quartz cave]

i only got 3 death threats yesterday

[tough glen]

nah my nauti ; leona; threash

[shrewd nymph]

Leona so valid

[quartz cave]

leona players when E connects is literally the neuron activation meme

[tough glen]

yeah i would rather have a 30 year old alcoholic as my support than e girl and femboy

[paper narwhal]

ez

[shrewd nymph]

ggs

[frank estuary]

Gg

[shrewd nymph]

Hot take

[frank estuary]

Id rather support myself

[shrewd nymph]

those femboys on support go crazy

[tough glen]

man congrad you have completed the hollow knight

[quartz cave]

im neither a femboy or a egirl tho...

[shrewd nymph]

Wait a second

[tough glen]

that is even worse

[shrewd nymph]

Didnt that guy say 20m where p5 is

[tough glen]

no

[quartz cave]

how,,,,

[shrewd nymph]

#hk-discussion message

He did

[tough glen]

no a different guy

i remember

[shrewd nymph]

I linked the msg bromethius

[quartz cave]

wow im so cool

[frank estuary]

... i got scammed

[shrewd nymph]

20m clear very good

[onyx wigeon]

I'm

[misty umbra]

What a skill...

[onyx wigeon]

going crazy

[shrewd nymph]

We play such different legends lmao

[foggy sable]

so true

[tough glen]

you good? i start to notice a common theme

[onyx wigeon]

Lune plays league

[quartz cave]

because im much better lowk so i got a refined taste in champs

[quartz cave]

what does this mean ,,,

[shrewd nymph]

Can we get a counter for randomly flexing or saying 'ez' with a random p5ab sc and it being a lie

[shrewd nymph]

Okay you are alot better but my champs are so sick and im dying on that hill

[foggy sable]

maybe we do

[quartz cave]

(i didnt mean that seriously)

[tough glen]

how could people lie on the internet unacceptable

[shrewd nymph]

no you're fine LMAO 😭

But j4, diana, khazix, viego, echo, sylas

Like cool champs

[ancient ravine]

Going to hell (p4 bosses)

[shrewd nymph]

and nocturne but hes busted in low-mid elo

[quartz cave]

9th circle of hell imo.

[shrewd nymph]

WOAH

[tough glen]

bruhh

[quartz cave]

noc is good in high elo as well but ppl go lethality and int

[tough glen]

you are just like my old leauge day lol

are we that predictable

[onyx wigeon]

Lune go sleep it's midnight

[shrewd nymph]

If you just know to press e after r and then walk with the enemy you win every game

Farm and ult on cd and you go 20-0

[quartz cave]

every thing good happens after midnight

[shrewd nymph]

Eek

[shrewd nymph]

Freaky oswald

Children here

[quartz cave]

its a song gng

https://open.spotify.com/track/4rlQza35DE4Prh5yonxnCs?

[shrewd nymph]

.

[quartz cave]

also on a second thought that song is a tiny bit freaky but

[tough glen]

well we have onething in common we all hate ourselves and can't uninstall lol for good

[quartz cave]

eh

ive played for a decade soon!!

in march

[shrewd nymph]

hk saved me but im getting to the point in hk where its only boringly difficult things left

[shrewd nymph]

[quartz cave]

anything after p5 is boring

p5eb killed my family

[tough glen]

there are other game and if you don't have the money

pirate

[shrewd nymph]

I might do p5 speedruns but idk

[onyx wigeon]

I'm depressed

[quartz cave]

i cant imagine how ppl p5ab and r5 even force themselves to

[quartz cave]

just be happy

[foggy sable]

BINGY

[shrewd nymph]

Im just gonna end up going back to shooter games and hate myself

[foggy sable]

YOU FORGOT BINGY

oops caps

[subtle glacier]

grey bingy?

[foggy sable]

but still

[shrewd nymph]

Scary bingy

[subtle glacier]

bingy!

[onyx wigeon]

choom

[quartz cave]

can we stop bingy

[subtle glacier]

BINGY

[onyx wigeon]

skong is making me depressed

[subtle glacier]

BINGY

[tough glen]

no don't save yourself

[onyx wigeon]

like

[quartz cave]

uninstall skong

[shrewd nymph]

BINGY

[tough glen]

run

[foggy sable]

I haven't done a r5 run this week so I need to do that first

[shrewd nymph]

ew r5

[onyx wigeon]

dude

like

[tough glen]

reading manga is saving my ass right now there is truly no other game like hollow knight and sk just like reading berserk as your stater

[shrewd nymph]

manwhaslop > manga

[onyx wigeon]

let's talk about it in bingycord

ig

[foggy sable]

lune discovering why most people stop at about pb 4

[tough glen]

ew you are beyond saving

[onyx wigeon]

cuz I had a chance encounter with someone earlier

[foggy sable]

because it sucks

[shrewd nymph]

im not finding it that hard tbf

im just not doing many attempts

[tough glen]

manwha is same shit different script

like it is so bad lol

[foggy sable]

I didn't say hard

[shrewd nymph]

op mc manwha

[foggy sable]

I said it sucks

[shrewd nymph]

true

[ancient ravine]

again...

[tough glen]

dude you are still in your overpower fantasy phase

grow up

[shrewd nymph]

HAHAHA

[tough glen]

good luck calm your nerve

[shrewd nymph]

no im messing around but there are genuinely some great manwha

[ancient ravine]

Ill try

[shrewd nymph]

horizon is unfathomably peak

[tough glen]

yeah keyword are some

[ancient ravine]

Goodseeker's voice is so calming

[onyx wigeon]

I'm probably just gonna take a break

for several months

fuck this

[shrewd nymph]

play e33

[onyx wigeon]

it is

legitimately driving me nuts

not in a fun way like when people are spectating

[ancient ravine]

Fuck you markoth

[frank estuary]

I reccomend you practise him in hall of gods

[loud kiln]

After playing e33 for like 2 hours so far, I can tell why it's goty

[ancient ravine]

I did it ascended

[frank estuary]

It was not the game awards, it was the e33 awards

[frank estuary]

I mean actual practise like beating him until you can beat him blind folded

[loud kiln]

Anyways, I still prefer Chicory

[nimble juniper]

hi i get the ||infected|| and ||radiance|| ending should i start reading a guide now for ending?

im kinda afraid one ending prevent another

because icant trigger the ||infected|| ending anymore

[sick gulch]

yeah i think u can get only one

after meeting the requirements

without mods i think, there should be one for that

wait

u can get the infected if u dont dream nail the hollow knight

i think its the same

[nimble juniper]

uh im just gonna ask then what happen to hornet then

[limber spire]

Can anyone lwk give me a routing for a speedrun

I wanna try to speed run the game

[sick gulch]

if u dont dreamnail she dies i guess

[astral hornet]

Wrongn channel

[quartz cave]

@loud kiln in main wtf

hi

[twin marten]

dude i thought pantheon four was gonna have a difficulty spike

[topaz elm]

"full of lions" -tc

[twin marten]

but p3 is already so hard😭

[quartz cave]

fireball > dash > claw > dnail > wk > uumuu > herrah > thk

did i miss anything 🔥

[vivid cave]

for me p4 was easier than p3, except the final boss

[twin marten]

whats after umuu in p3

please tell me its sly

[vivid cave]

hornet prolly

[quartz cave]

hornet i think?

[twin marten]

sentinel?

[vivid cave]

yes

[quartz cave]

hornet 2

[twin marten]

wait thats a stupid question

[restive forum]

Is this enough to fight primal aspid???

[twin marten]

not even close

[worthy peak]

If your one of the worlds best maybe

[restive forum]

😔

[full phoenix]

Double that and then MAYBE you stand a chance.

[vivid cave]

i did primal aspids radiant

[restive forum]

ok.

[foggy sable]

wow sisters is such a bugged boss

[loud kiln]

hi. It's been a while

[runic shuttle]

stop lying

[wispy willow]

I'm pretty sure no one has done primal aspid queen radiant maybe I'm wrong tho

I'm probably wrong tho

@ te ano?

[runic shuttle]

who?

[wispy willow]

No one

The modded boss primal aspid queen

[meager shoal]

gmcb

[hollow flint]

do i need to do godhome and the grim troupe for 112%?

[maiden pond]

I agree

[foggy sable]

grimm troupe yes godhome p1-4

[hollow flint]

ahh. no 112% for me then

[maiden pond]

We believe in you. It is not impossible, it just takes lots of tries for sure

[wispy willow]

Why?

[rancid sun]

im tryna do colo what should i use

[meager shoal]

6 notches for Colo good luck
Uh something like shaman soul catcher Grubsong or like shaman mark of pride (spells are good)

[quasi cove]

ctrl + print screen

[rancid sun]

i play on the switch

[wispy willow]

Nail arts are also op

[rancid sun]

kk

rn all i got is cyclone and dash slash

[mighty flicker]

the helly 😭

[wispy willow]

ggs

[subtle glacier]

why do i see no eyes

[scenic furnace]

Ive deadass said this like 12 hours ago jeez

yeah I've gone better at the fight and I'm understanding why but like

there's some times where I genuinely react for the beam burst attack and still get hit even when I felt like I shouldn't

and because the beam burst attack can genuinely fuck you over in so many ways since the first burst comes out really fast and in a random direction always there are times where you just... die

[keen thorn]

For beam burst you want to ddark

[scenic furnace]

I've been able to understand and dodge through every other attack

[keen thorn]

It's by far the safest and cleanest option

[scenic furnace]

it's just beam burst that's really annoying

[keen thorn]

In general for any face attack you want to cast ddark before you even see the attack, your tell is the face

Unless you're far away of course

[scenic furnace]

from where I've been standing at with my understand of the fight

I've recently been actually getting to phase 4 more option

[keen thorn]

A ddark there will give you 15 free damage (30 if you're on her face) and keep you safe from the first burst of the attacks

[scenic furnace]

I know about the face thing, the Ddark floor spike spam, the gaps inbetween the sky swords, even the pattern of the rotating sword

[keen thorn]

From then both beam and sword burst come out at predictable times so you can easily dodge while hitting

[scenic furnace]

I know the whole beam burst thing where the beam can't strike the same place twice

it's the first beam burst that is genuinely frustrating

[keen thorn]

Yeah

[keen thorn]

That's why dive is the easiest solution

[scenic furnace]

dive costs a lot of soul

it kills you in phase 4 if you're not under a platform

[shrewd nymph]

stay on a platform and wait for her to come to you

[scenic furnace]

you can ddark if she's straight in your face but like

[scenic furnace]

I'll try doing that next time

does she ever actually like

[keen thorn]

Well in plats you don't have to worry about it if you're far away

[scenic furnace]

teleport on your platform

[shrewd nymph]

yup

[keen thorn]

Just a jump should be more than enough

[scenic furnace]

its mostly just

phase 1-2 because like

[keen thorn]

Camp out the top middle platform, that way you can approach the 4 central ones and the 4 upper ones

[scenic furnace]

I genuinely just sometimes die to the beam burst

[keen thorn]

I've told you ddark to dodge beam burst in ground

You have soul as a resource here

[scenic furnace]

does that actually work at all? Wouldn't the sideways attacks screw you over since they'll eventually overlap?

[keen thorn]

The walls?

[scenic furnace]

I should be mentioning that I'm doing this charmless and soul is a scarce resource

[keen thorn]

You have to compromise for walls

[keen thorn]

Yeah I'm aware

Charmless is All Bindings but you actually have soul

And ig nail is better

[scenic furnace]

I can't Ddark every time she does beam burst because like

[keen thorn]

If you're out of soul don't chase

[scenic furnace]

can you actually react to the beam burst right as the beam outline shows

[keen thorn]

A sideways dodge is significantly easier than a close up of beam burst

And once you cast a ddark abuse the ifrsmes and new predictable pattern to gain your soul back

[keen thorn]

Yes

[scenic furnace]

I never considered just shade cloaking when she beam bursts far away

[keen thorn]

The problem is that up close you can't just walk away, you need to be already moving

[scenic furnace]

but that'd only work in phase 1-2

[keen thorn]

It's trickier

Jumping or dashing have the speed needed

But dashing near her can end up inside a beam

[scenic furnace]

its really just

annoying because

I dont like calling fights rng based but like

it really fucking feels like it

[keen thorn]

In plats you have to jump for a far away dodge

And it's really easy

[scenic furnace]

do I have a skill issue

[keen thorn]

Well radiant charmless AbsRad is like, really hard

[scenic furnace]

should I be doing this fight with charms first

[keen thorn]

Have you not

[limpid matrix]

another pv

[scenic furnace]

no

[keen thorn]

Yes

Of course

[scenic furnace]

charms feel like cheating

like yes they are like a pretty core mechanic of the game but

[keen thorn]

Godhome fights were designed with charms in mind

[scenic furnace]

they're so goddam unbalanced

[keen thorn]

And there's a reason charm is the hardest binding

[scenic furnace]

Ive been doing pretty much the entire game charmless and I havent struggled as much as this fight

pure vessel radiant only took me like 40-50 attempts charmless

[keen thorn]

Because AbsRad really steps up the difficulty

Yeah PV is not that bad chatmless

Have you done Markoth, Collector, Zote or Flukemarm radiant yet?

[scenic furnace]

done collector and zote of radiant charmless

struggling with markoth radiant

[keen thorn]

Wait Zote needs AB to scale lol

It's not that bad

[scenic furnace]

should I do like every other boss radiant charmless

[keen thorn]

Well collector is inpressive

[keen thorn]

Yeah

[scenic furnace]

collector is easy radiant charmless

[keen thorn]

In general tho, the balance of bosses is based around charms

[scenic furnace]

granted a bit of rng required

but like not really

[keen thorn]

And the difficulty will get progressively harder in the pantheon 5 order (on average)

Take out gear and some bosses will scale harder than others

[scenic furnace]

collector was who I died to in my first p5 attempt

I did not expect the difficulty raise

[keen thorn]

Charm binding P5 for a first clear is crazy

[scenic furnace]

I'm yet to do P5 charm binding

[keen thorn]

Yeah but

It's what you're gonna do

[scenic furnace]

but like its gonna be a first clear and I can absolutely do it

it just takes a while

[keen thorn]

Yeah charm binding cuts your dps in like a fourth part

[scenic furnace]

again the only charms Ive used for my first playthrough (which is this one) is

• Compass
• Other required charms for specific quests (kingsoul for true ending, grimmchild for grimm fights)
• Soul catcher very early on until I decided to stop using charms as a small challenge for myself

"very early on" as in I think after hornet 1

[keen thorn]

Honestly atp if you equip charms you're probably going to shread

But at least try charms for absrad

And I'd like you to use them for Markoth as well lol

Those 2 are the biggest scalers charmless

If you feel charms are cheesy you can try any that are not qs strength shaman

Since well those are the most op

[scenic furnace]

Ive tried absrad a few time with charms builds

but Ive been pivoting back to going charmless

just cause doing it charmless feels better

ngl if doing absrad on radiance is what pushes me to actually first clear something using charms apart from the compass then like

so be it

[keen thorn]

You can try to use some charms and then come back for charmless

[scenic furnace]

thats my plan

[keen thorn]

Or just do everyone else first and lastly come back to absrad

[scenic furnace]

that was what I was considering

but sunk-cost fallacy

also as for how much Ive been struggling with the game without using charms

[keen thorn]

Beat the fallacy lol

[scenic furnace]

uhhh pretty sure it took me to radiant pure vessel was where it actually took me over 20 attempts to beat it

[keen thorn]

Yeah uhm, AbsRad and Markoth are already a crazy difficulty spike with normal balancing

Radiant

[scenic furnace]

everything else I did in less than 20, notable difficulties were lost kin (did it straight after getting wings) and failed champion (HAD to get the shade cloak)

[lapis sandal]

finally got all the achievements after 76 hours😭 , time to hop on silksong

[keen thorn]

As I said, those two scale so much higher charmless

[keen thorn]

Nice

[keen thorn]

Well, it's radiant vs normal

[scenic furnace]

I did have my friend help me with a few of the attacks in the game

[keen thorn]

Your healing mentality is gonna be the main kicker

[scenic furnace]

like being able to pogo off of pv's first slash of his triple slash attack

allowing like 2 free hits

[scenic furnace]

wdym by 'healing mentality'

[keen thorn]

Basically how much you try to heal lol

[keen thorn]

Yeah that's a pretty basic but good dodge

I still use it despite not being optimal

[scenic furnace]

what is optimal

[keen thorn]

Dash through and you can turn around for a double up to triple shade soul hit

To get a triple you need good timing

[scenic furnace]

I usually use shade cloak for the white projectile attack

[keen thorn]

And honestly I just don't like wasting my shade cloak

[keen thorn]

Yeah, that's the better way to do it

Regular dash for daggers is tricky

[scenic furnace]

daggers without shade cloak is not fun

but there's also like nothing else to really spend shade cloak on sooooo

[keen thorn]

Emergency get out of jail free card

[sick parcel]

Bro the honey notch id such a scam

[keen thorn]

If you make a mistake you can use it to bail yourself out

[sick parcel]

I spent TWO HOURS OF MY LIFE

Trying to kill that stupid boss

FOUR SLOTS

And it doesn't even do allat

[keen thorn]

Well you got 2%

[sick parcel]

This is my first run so im not too concerned with 100% yet

[scenic furnace]

ngl one of the main reasons why I don't use charms is the balancing

it is a really cool concept but its so unbalanced and so shittily made like

[tawny heart]

Hive blood?

[scenic furnace]

theres a lot of charms that are just the same effect as others but its stronger at the cost of it being more notches

[sick parcel]

Yes

[tawny heart]

It's a decent charm for platforming

[scenic furnace]

mark of pride, lifeblood core, joni's blessing, soul eater, probably something else I missed

[sick parcel]

Ive been using dashmaster/gathering swarm and quick focus

[keen thorn]

That really makes them fundamentally different

[sick parcel]

Wayward compass when exploring

[keen thorn]

Well core and Joni's and also lifeblood heart are just shit

[tawny heart]

Hai there pal

[keen thorn]

Oh hello!

[tawny heart]

waves

[twin marten]

Can gpz just like
Jump off a cliff?

[keen thorn]

But ln is a nice 2 notch fill up for a better positioning for cheap cost

[tawny heart]

YES !

[keen thorn]

Wile MoP is more of something you pick for the sake of using it

Same with catcher/twister and eater

[scenic furnace]

that's another thing

I swear I was collecting the rest of the charms and like almost every time my friend (who I was on call with) and the moment I said "I got (X Charm)" they just said that it's dogshit

[keen thorn]

But eater is an even bigger heavy hitter

[keen thorn]

Wait I have something

Crap I have to find it

[scenic furnace]

Agony Thorns
Glowing Womb
Grimmchild
Every lifeblood-related charm
Sprintmaster
That one knockback-increasing charm I forgot the name of
Hiveblood

[tawny heart]

Tbh a good charm build for exploring is compass, gathering swarm, deep focus depending on the region, and maybe soul catcher

[keen thorn]

Yeah those are all shit

[scenic furnace]

that one charm that removes knockback on hit meaning no pogo

[keen thorn]

But there's a good amount of perfectly nice charms

[keen thorn]

That's actually top tier, it just has a giant skill ceiling (it doesn't change the pogo)

[scenic furnace]

oh

[blissful wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-beans-beans-dung-defender-hollow-knight-hk-gif-21798162

[scenic furnace]

y'know we could've gotten a charm that increases nail art damage

[keen thorn]

Most of the time people will rank charms based on their opinions and comparing them to strength quickslash and shaman

But that's not really fair

[keen thorn]

Well fury

[scenic furnace]

I mean like, sure?

[tawny heart]

The knock back one is called heavy blow, heavy blow is useful for 1 boss that's it, and the boss isn't even hard
Sprint master is decent depending on how you like to play
Hiveblood is amazing, especially for platforming
Grimmchild is... meh
Glowing womb is dogshit
Agony of thorns is decent
The life blood charms are... well they ain't bad, but they ain't good either

[keen thorn]

Thorns is dogshit

-29% iframes

[quartz cave]

hi im new here

[scenic furnace]

whats funny is that glowing womb could've actually been good if it just did more damage

[keen thorn]

Stop lying

[tawny heart]

That's what makes it a meh charm, but it's still decent depending on what you're doing or enemy you're fighting

[scenic furnace]

it could've been a very interesting alternative to how you spend soul

[quartz cave]

id NEVER lie

[keen thorn]

Yeah I completely agree

I've certainly wanted to use womb but

It's just too useless

[sick parcel]

On a scale of 1 to 10

[tawny heart]

Womb is kinda shit, not for what ppl tend to say it's shit for. You could be like "yay I can heal" then a wombling spawns and you can't heal, then you big sad

[sick parcel]

How hard is the second hornet fight

(I have the reaction time of a senile earthworm)

[scenic furnace]

in THAT case like 7

hornet 2 does require pretty fast reaction time

[sick parcel]

I cant stop hearing that STUPID SONG

[keen thorn]

Anyways I made this set of tier list that ranks charms only based on their role
Primary damage (basically what you want to be your main damage duh)
Secondary damage (small support to fill the gaps)
Control (better position and control of it for you and your opponent)
And survival (basically tanking)

[sick parcel]

I cant stop SHAWWWW

[keen thorn]

I think a general tier list of all charms doesn't convey much value

[sick parcel]

The loneliness~

HEGALE

[foggy sable]

it does if you rank by enjoyment

[keen thorn]

Ranking by power I mean

Also hi grey

[scenic furnace]

I thought sharp shadow was pretty good?

[tawny heart]

You forgot kingssoul
Also I'd put greed at the bottom, it's not that good
But for the most part I agree with 98% of this

[shrewd nymph]

❌

[scenic furnace]

like I know what it does and it seems alright

[keen thorn]

That's an enjoyment and personal opinion tier list of grey

Most pros hate it

Because it's actually kind of a noob trap

[scenic furnace]

fair enough

[foggy sable]

hii

[scenic furnace]

increased dash distance can screw you over

[keen thorn]

Exactly

[scenic furnace]

if you're not used to it

[foggy sable]

it isn't in p5 so I don't think it exists

[keen thorn]

And can reduce your damage output

[foggy sable]

I only live in godhome

[keen thorn]

Meanwhile the damage is not good

[scenic furnace]

I think it's still a well-designed charm tho

[foggy sable]

I don't like it although I guess it has its moments

but overall I find it a negative to my normal play

[keen thorn]

Check the control tier list, that's how it really compares to other control charms@scenic furnace

[finite ember]

sharp shadow is op for radiant oro & mato, both nosks and(all radiant i mean)

[keen thorn]

That's exactly what niche means

Also champion and watchers

[scenic furnace]

like sure it's not the greatest in high-level play but it's a pretty cool charm that uniquely buffs something that doesn't have anything else to buff it

[finite ember]

oh, cool

nowladge

[keen thorn]

But bringing it to P5 is, less than ideal

[finite ember]

for weaklings

[normal kelp]

Steady body😭

[keen thorn]

Niche means it specializes in very specific roles or situations

[keen thorn]

It is one of the best charms in the game

[foggy sable]

top 5 charm

very fun for close fast play

[scenic furnace]

what does steady body even do

[keen thorn]

Removes horizontal nail Knockback

[mild sorrel]

This is gonna suck (all bindings)

[tawny heart]

You need kingssoul for voidheart (you know this already I'm guessing)
Kingssoul I never actually used, I only used it when I went for voidheart

[keen thorn]

Upslash speed cancel and pogo Knockback are unchanged

[scenic furnace]

oh right thats the one that gets rid of nail knockback

[quartz cave]

quickfocus ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[scenic furnace]

ngl Im not gonna bother with learning what charms are good

[keen thorn]

The thing is, it allows insane agression levels

[foggy sable]

I only play on saves with voidheart so kingsoul is fake

[scenic furnace]

Im still going to refuse to use charms

[tawny heart]

Fair enough

[keen thorn]

You can chase bosses super effectively and have you and the boss wherever you want

[foggy sable]

quick focus is the best healing charm by far

[keen thorn]

And also allows very specific and tight setups

All for 1 single notch

[scenic furnace]

even though absrad radiant's first clear for me is most likely gonna be with a fuckass soul build I was able to make in like 2 minutes

spell twister, soul catcher, soul eater, shaman stone, I think smth else idk

yes Im using the overcharmed mechanic because why wouldn't you

[keen thorn]

Yeah, it certainly does what it strived to do

[foggy sable]

the problem with charm lists is they aren't controversial enough

[tawny heart]

If you pair it with grubsong and dream catcher it's even better

[foggy sable]

pair it with stalwart shell instead

[scenic furnace]

is dreamcatcher actually that good

does it make dream nail usable mid-fight

[foggy sable]

you get more i frames than it takes to heal

[tawny heart]

Add that too

[keen thorn]

Yeah it's incredibly valuable

But honestly hard to justify

[tawny heart]

It's easier to use mid fight and gives more soul for a successful hit

[foggy sable]

the problem with weilder is there are 2 better 1 notches

[keen thorn]

3

[mild sorrel]

How long is r04 watcher knights

[keen thorn]

My clear took 9 minutes

[foggy sable]

7 minutes

[scenic furnace]

ngl when I first heard of the dream nail I thought it was gonna be some really cool or interesting thing you could do

then when I test it I was kinda just like "Ohhhh it's just to farm soul when you need it"

ngl how come we never got a charm to increase nail art damage

[keen thorn]

Tbf it's mostly a lore item

[tawny heart]

Dream nail is useless without wielder