hk-discussion

[earnest widget]

the pale king i guess?

[zealous skiff]

fair enough, it sucks when it happens tho

[lone laurel]

He has a connection to the Pale King/Wyrm.

[cinder jackal]

i personally prefer jumping far too much and getting hit in other ways

[earnest widget]

i think lurien was pretty reclusive

[cinder jackal]

just me though

[amber rose]

my mind is blanking the lore, what was it again?

[lone laurel]

He is essentially the Wyrm’s most loyal and devoted follower. He was the most adamant about the Dreamers upholding their duty, while Monomon felt it necessary that the Seals had to be undone.

[amber rose]

Ah okay

[lone laurel]

Even when you confront him and Dream Nail him, his primary thought is ‘For King Beloved.’

[zealous skiff]

✅ 🤝

[dark tiger]

staggers / focus / idk just dont heal

[regal perch]

for radiant markoth second phase is it better to spam shade soul or abyss shriek

[lone laurel]

Yeah you sometimes have to just. Kind of eyeball it and pray you don’t get punished depending on what attack you think is coming next.

[noble ruin]

quick focus adds a few

[amber rose]

Oh that's right

[shrewd nymph]

shade soul

[lone laurel]

Yeah i’d say Shade Soul here. Markoth is affected by Knockback so it’s rare Abyss Shriek will connect every hit.

Just be sure you keep track of his Nail spawns so you don’t get hit while Casting.

[oak maple]

i was bored so i made a concept of if the Knight was a real knight. it looks very cluttered and scratchy but i thought it would just be fun

[naive sonnet]

i got to 1hp in p3ab on hornet

[wicked kiln]

Is that his dick looking out of his armor

[oak maple]

no th at's his thumb

[wicked kiln]

Oh

[gaunt linden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342904579288727644/1405763559740280912/leagalzombie3-1.gif

[naive sonnet]

i have them all yay

[oak maple]

here's the fixed version, didn't notice the mistake when i drew it lol

[cerulean solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-4594523742914133487

[wicked kiln]

Thats better lmao😭

[golden glacier]

Can someone explain how my friend fought broken vessel in forgotten crossroads

[agile pewter]

Enemy rando

[golden glacier]

I thought you could only find him in ancient basin

[shrewd nymph]

Mods can do funny things

[agile pewter]

Enemy randomizer

Mod.

[golden glacier]

They don't have mods

Both of us just started hk

Like

A month ago

[agile pewter]

Then its not broken vessel

Dont really know how to tell you otherwise

If you have a screenshot thatd be good

[golden glacier]

Hmm ok

[pastel umbra]

path of pain is an understatement

[golden glacier]

They have the badge on steam but that dosent really help

[lofty river]

Gods of Gods
No mind to rage
No will to troll
No voice to scam
Born of Brad and Bonds

[pastel umbra]

tf

[agile pewter]

https://youtu.be/oMymXRGsAYY?si=eM1U7aqPjsb0mHoU

[agile pewter]

Ye it doesnt help much

[worn hamlet]

overstatement imo

[mystic smelt]

i loved it

[golden glacier]

God this is making me so confused

[radiant nacelle]

hi

[pastel umbra]

not everyone is as skillful as some

[worn hamlet]

a 10-16 hour challenge is not pain

there are far worse parkour challenges in gaming

[worn hamlet]

much less if you're better than I was

[pastel umbra]

why are we comparing to other games?

[agile pewter]

Its probably an enemy or boss that looks familiar to bv
You guys should have infected crossroads rn, so it would make sense

[worn hamlet]

bc we're talking abt a parkour challenge

and u can't rly compare white palace to pop bc pop is literally just the extension of white palace

other than that hk has no parkour challenges

[golden glacier]

They don't have infected crossroads tho....

[pastel umbra]

they might be playing with you

idk

[worn hamlet]

man p5 filler sucks

especially without quickslash

[pastel umbra]

p3 is still kicking my ass

shouldve left zote to die

[worn hamlet]

screw elder hu

[misty rivet]

Can someone send me a list of all the bosses in p4 (in order ofc)

[worn hamlet]

true

[pastel umbra]

free heal for me

[worn hamlet]

unskippable cutscene for me

[shrewd nymph]

Wiki page

Pantheon of the knight

[boreal hollow]

Hi chat

[pastel umbra]

the whole reason i did pop was to get away from godhome

[worn hamlet]

I needa practice charmless collector

[shrewd nymph]

Helloo

[worn hamlet]

ugh

[worn hamlet]

hoii

[boreal hollow]

Why

[worn hamlet]

p5 charm binding

I wanna get it over with

[pastel umbra]

fuck collector

[shrewd nymph]

real

[worn hamlet]

why is it so much harder without shaman stone

[boreal hollow]

Fr

you cant even gain soul the normal way

[shrewd nymph]

Its just strength vs no strength

[worn hamlet]

I didn't use strength before

and I also did nail binding already

[shrewd nymph]

The whole difficulty is how many hits the minions take

[worn hamlet]

no, it isn't

[shrewd nymph]

Same reason gpz can get hard

[worn hamlet]

it's not having the giant hitbox of shaman stone D:

[pastel umbra]

he wont stop dropping jars on my head

[silent lance]

I love traitor mantises y'all

[boreal hollow]

maybe he wants to collect YOU somehow

[boreal hollow]

get out of here

[silent lance]

The collector gotta be the easiest boss lmao

[silent lance]

No

[pastel umbra]

hes just annoying

[boreal hollow]

one of the most annoying enemies in the game

[silent lance]

I guess the flyers are annoying if you can't kill them quickly

[worn hamlet]

have you ever done ascended collector without strength

[silent lance]

Without unbreakable strength? No

[knotty ravine]

sacred pilgrimage

[boreal hollow]

Where the fuck is that

[worn hamlet]

that's what I thought

[silent lance]

What makes it more difficult?

[worn hamlet]

not being able to one-hit minions

[shrewd nymph]

how many hits the minions take

[worn hamlet]

2

[silent lance]

I did it without being able to one hit minions

[worn hamlet]

still multiplies the difficulty by a ton

[knotty ravine]

we dont know poggy thorax anymore its so fucked

[silent lance]

My nail was level 3 or 2

[worn hamlet]

did you have shaman stone equipped bc not having that is making it much harder for me tbh

[silent lance]

Nope

[worn hamlet]

huh interesting

[silent lance]

I don't use shaman very often

[worn hamlet]

ig ur just better than me ;-;

[pastel umbra]

i dont use shaman

[silent lance]

It's the terraria player buff, no big deal but I shouldn't be annoying about it

[pastel umbra]

i use heart

[silent lance]

I used shaman to cheese hive knight and that's about it

[worn hamlet]

lol fair

[pastel umbra]

i just spam hive and heal a hu

[worn hamlet]

u know what I just realized

[silent lance]

I'm also learning grimm phase 2 with it

[worn hamlet]

if I just perfectly hit the primal aspids

I can kill them before they shoot their goo

that's literally the only thing I can do to avoid them

[silent lance]

Yeah I was at lvl 0 nail and a dream in my fight though

[silent lance]

Yep

[worn hamlet]

other than being out of their range but that's just about impossible

[silent lance]

That's what gets you through colo

[worn hamlet]

no?

colo didn't require perfection like this ;-;

[pastel umbra]

oh i had like all upgrades when i got to hive

[silent lance]

What're you fighting?

[worn hamlet]

charmless ascended collector

[silent lance]

Yeah I used about 6 speedrunning skips to get to basin as my 6th area and just did kingdoms edge from there

[silent lance]

Oh okay that's definitely enough to warrant annoyance

[worn hamlet]

the way I just got down to 1 mask in the span of under 2 seconds

absolutely wild

[silent lance]

You got this

[pastel umbra]

i will say PoP was pretty fun

[silent lance]

Why are you doing it charmless

[pastel umbra]

even if it was painful

[worn hamlet]

too late died and on a new attempt now

[silent lance]

Icl, I got all the way to end but I couldn't finish the combat so I cried a little and went the normal route

Maybe in a future playthrough

[silent lance]

You got THIS

[pastel umbra]

lol

i just ddark spammed

and threw in a fireball

[worn hamlet]

died again

[silent lance]

Yeah I used uh the infinite soul build for white palace because my parkour capabilities are not there

[worn hamlet]

this is certainly much more fun than repeatedly going all the way through p5 just to end my run at collector tho

[silent lance]

Lol

[pastel umbra]

i used hiveblood, quick, and grubsong

[silent lance]

Hive blood bless your soul

[pastel umbra]

but i didnt have hiveblood for white palace

[silent lance]

Patience of a god

[worn hamlet]

yea I never used hiveblood

[pastel umbra]

oh and heart

[worn hamlet]

I did deepfocus gsong and heart I think

then heart broke and I didn't feel like repairing it

[pastel umbra]

i only waited sometimes, the totems in pop have infinite soul

[worn hamlet]

oh and qfocus to make it a lil less hard on the time

[errant lance]

https://tenor.com/view/bouncy-hair-my-hair-looks-very-bouncy-bouncy-hair-tik-tok-bouncy-hair-meme-gif-22988563

[silent lance]

Grubsong + grubberflys elegance + deepfocus is infinite soul btw

[errant lance]

😫

[pastel umbra]

tf?

[silent lance]

Because of the synergy between the two grub charms

[errant lance]

Its so peak

[silent lance]

Btw does anyone know how to get into the hollow knight speedrunning server?

[pastel umbra]

i dont think i'll ever be able to do speedrunning ngl

[silent lance]

Me either but I use speedrunning skips to challenge myself

[worn hamlet]

wait what does grubberfly's have to do with it?

[real otter]

i’m gonna get into it soon i’m learning skips rn

[silent lance]

I got like 85% completion without cheart

[real otter]

elegance…?

[pastel umbra]

increases gsong soul

[worn hamlet]

elegance 🔥

[silent lance]

It has a synergy with elegance to increase soul gain

[worn hamlet]

oh interesting

[silent lance]

Elegance!

[pastel umbra]

elegy

[worn hamlet]

tbh elegance sounds better

though ig the word elegy has a deeper meaning

[silent lance]

Oh I was close

[pastel umbra]

close enough

[worn hamlet]

lol yep

[silent lance]

I like elegy I wish it was more practical

[pastel umbra]

i wish the moths survived

i love moths

[silent lance]

It's kinda good for the flower quest actually

[silent lance]

Me too....

Why couldn't they just continue their worship of the radiance

[worn hamlet]

sameee

[pastel umbra]

i havent gotten all the grubs yet lol

i need to do that

[silent lance]

Fair enough, it's pretty easy with collectors map

[cerulean solstice]

how much ragebait is this tier list

[pastel umbra]

yeah i have it im just lazy

[worn hamlet]

ye why did they conciously decide to invoke the wrath of a deity ._.

doesn't seem the smartest decision tbh

[silent lance]

I mean like a little but it could be worse

[silent lance]

Fair, I like collecting grubs

[pastel umbra]

obvious/10

[worn hamlet]

bro what the frick

why did the primal aspid insta fire

they're supposed to wait a bit after coming out of the jar

why can they do that 😭

[silent lance]

Okay like you've got some fantastic charms in D and C tier but your S tier could truly be worse

[cerulean solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/jolou-nait-hollow-knight-leonate-caballerito-ghost-gif-10487423428061210419

[pastel umbra]

glitch maybe

[amber rose]

does anyone have a good map of delivering the delicate flower to the grave in gardens

[shrewd nymph]

ggs

[cerulean solstice]

what is the charm build

[amber rose]

like a set path i should explain better

[silent lance]

Why are you overcharmed

[dusky karma]

I’m ordering the charm set as a gift to myself

[pastel umbra]

speaking of radiant i did mantis radiant recently

[rustic talon]

unbreakable strength, mark of pride, long nail, nail masters glory, steady body, quick slash

[pastel umbra]

its radiant

[shrewd nymph]

1 shot anyways because radiant

[rustic talon]

radiant

[silent lance]

Oh mb

[shrewd nymph]

nmg on pv??

[silent lance]

I thought that was the regular boss it's my first playthrough

[silent lance]

Long nail in 2025 </3 use sharp shadow

[rustic talon]

i didn't really use it, its just back up

[rustic talon]

nah i rarely use shade dash

[naive sonnet]

i have now completed all behaviors in the first three pantheons
yay

[shrewd nymph]

[worn hamlet]

twister exists..

[shrewd nymph]

was happy or sad harder

[worn hamlet]

ay lune

[shrewd nymph]

helloo

[naive sonnet]

??

[worn hamlet]

have you done any charmless collector

[silent lance]

The nail art?

[pastel umbra]

i was doing soul warrior ascended and he glitched and started walking into the wall without doing anything

[shrewd nymph]

ive done rab collector a few times if that counts

[worn hamlet]

the charm spelltwister

[worn hamlet]

perfect do u have any tips

[shrewd nymph]

joking abt how it said behaviours

[worn hamlet]

im tryna do charmless ascended collector and im struggling

to practice for p5 charm binding

[silent lance]

Oh yeah but I don't use spells when I'm not going for spell builds

[worn hamlet]

fair

[silent lance]

Do I make my steel soul playthrough summons only?

[naive sonnet]

i just wanted a funny way to say i've done both p1-3ab and r1-3

[worn hamlet]

possibly

[naive sonnet]

and i do not intend to do anything of the sort with 4

[silent lance]

Why not definitely?

[worn hamlet]

not sure

[cerulean solstice]

guys i beat abseloute radiance on radiant with this fire build

[worn hamlet]

🦦

[worn hamlet]

what's the point of focus charms if ur using joni's ;-;

[silent lance]

(it's a joke)

[pastel umbra]

its a joke

[worn hamlet]

if ur gonna do a meme build at least make it funny

[shrewd nymph]

if i talk about collector then some of the crazy collector players will show up but anyways
start with fight with 4 hits (dash hit before scream, 3 hits as he jumps up). use nail arts, cyclone slash is great for killing multiple minions as they spawn and to get more soul to ddark (do it near collector) or shade soul (go to the far side and line them up), but great slash can be good if you have full soul
when you stagger collector (without minions nearby) dream nail him for soul then hit him > shriek > hit him again because it becomes hard to do damage later on

[worn hamlet]

like an all minions or pure thorns or smth

[cerulean solstice]

I would tell you but i wont because I wont tell you

[shrewd nymph]

im not a collector player but thats the basics of what i know

[pastel umbra]

summon build wins again

[worn hamlet]

ok lol

[worn hamlet]

tysm!

I completely forgot abt narts

[shrewd nymph]

theyre so key in all bindings, its less so in charmless but still key

[pastel umbra]

real

[silent lance]

There are players dedicated to bosses?

[shrewd nymph]

the thing about charmless is you dont have capped soul, which means that you can basically go to the edge and shade soul the 3 minions to get loads of damage on collector alone

id abuse that

[worn hamlet]

specifically collector

[shrewd nymph]

basically just collector but theres some others

[worn hamlet]

it becomes easily the hardest boss in the game once you add a certain amount of restrictions

[silent lance]

Yeah I forget about nail arts, I think I've used maybe 10

[shrewd nymph]

quantum, yisrael, meteorcow etc

[silent lance]

Got it

[shrewd nymph]

suscat for pv

[naive sonnet]

i barely ever use nail arts normally but ab has forced my hand

[shrewd nymph]

fiablo for gpz

i dont really know any others

[worn hamlet]

I just use narts for markoth and oblobbles

[silent lance]

Interesting, well I'm planning on doing my 112 and doing as many achievements as I can in my first playthrough and then dipping but I would say I've got a specialty boss in terraria

[worn hamlet]

now collector is added to the list

[pastel umbra]

gpz is STILL kicking my as in p3

[shrewd nymph]

the amount of bosses you use narts on in ab is really shocking for everyone

its so many, even ones like sob

[silent lance]

Hehe wiggle wiggle

[pastel umbra]

?

[silent lance]

The thing he does with his needle

It looks like wiggling to me

[pastel umbra]

ah

[silent lance]

I love gpz actually

[pastel umbra]

i believe you mean life-ender

[silent lance]

Maybe my favourite boss fight so far

[worn hamlet]

huh interesting

[silent lance]

Oh yes of course

What's sob?

[pastel umbra]

hes silly yet the bane of my pantheon existance

[silent lance]

Yeah reasonable

[naive sonnet]

i am quite far from a top player but i would certainly consider myself

1. rather skilled
2. very sly focused

[pastel umbra]

sisters of battle i think

[shrewd nymph]

sisters of battle

[silent lance]

Got it

[shrewd nymph]

cyclone slash is good for first phase sob and mantis lords

[silent lance]

I don't really remember that boss fight but I only got up to P3 before moving on

[shrewd nymph]

its a p5 boss

[silent lance]

Got it

[silent lance]

Shout-out sly

[pastel umbra]

thing with storing nail arts is on console it makes basic movement pretty hard

[shrewd nymph]

ive heard its even worse on mobile

[silent lance]

Mobile??? That exists???

[shrewd nymph]

technically

[worn hamlet]

not officially

but ye it exists

[silent lance]

Interesting

[pastel umbra]

what the blue room next to HoG do?

[shrewd nymph]

unlocks lifeblood at pantheon benches

[pastel umbra]

cool

how is it opened

[shrewd nymph]

doing 8 bindings

12 and 16 upgrade the amount of lifeblood

[pastel umbra]

damn

[shrewd nymph]

but thats just p1-2eb

doesnt have to be at once

[median saffron]

dead chat

[pastel umbra]

no

i dont believe you

[stark socket]

Impossible

[naive sonnet]

full lifeblood is 4 bindings short of all of them

[old crater]

I just defeated radiance

[pastel umbra]

good job

[median saffron]

guys is it true that damage is doubled in p5

[old crater]

merci beaucoup

[worn hamlet]

getting better at this

slowly

but surely

[median saffron]

okay thank god

[shrewd nymph]

nor does boss hp

[worn hamlet]

incorrect

[shrewd nymph]

?

[worn hamlet]

for some reason brooding mawlek has less hp than attuned in hog

[shrewd nymph]

its same hp

the only boss that decreases hp is the right vfk

[worn hamlet]

straight from the wiki

[proven zealot]

No only if u have overcharmed debuff on

[shrewd nymph]

hm

is that with any other bosses?

[worn hamlet]

and it isn't fandom

not that im aware of

[shrewd nymph]

i stand corrected

first time ive seen that

[worn hamlet]

lol yep

[vernal knot]

Brooding Mawlek needed to be nerfed

[worn hamlet]

I don't even remember how I learned of it tbh

[vernal knot]

It's understandable

[worn hamlet]

frfr lmao

gpz didn't need a nerf or anything

[median saffron]

best build ever

[naive sonnet]

yeah why did white defender and gpz not get their hp increased on ascended/radiant

[pastel umbra]

yo when this hornet dlc coming out?

[worn hamlet]

huh what

how strange

[shrewd nymph]

gpz, absrad, white defender, mato, mawlek and right vfk decreases

[worn hamlet]

ig they did get nerfed

[shrewd nymph]

from attuned to ascended/rad

[shrewd nymph]

right vfk decreases, rest stay the same

bad wording

[worn hamlet]

👍

[shrewd nymph]

and oro increases but not mato

[worn hamlet]

huh interesting

[pastel umbra]

what happens to bretta when zote is left to die

[nova ibex]

I think she just stays in dirmouth

[naive sonnet]

yeah it's strange that the hidden dreams bosses don't change hp

[median saffron]

should i do pantheon 1-4 all bindings so i can get lifeblood

[worn hamlet]

indeed

[shrewd nymph]

you dont have to do them at once but yeah id give them a shot

[pastel umbra]

p3 would be so much better if i left that guy for dead

[median saffron]

gpz is easy beans

[nova ibex]

Yes but you should do the bindings one at a time

[naive sonnet]

do them one at a time

[pastel umbra]

not when im really bad at everything at once

[naive sonnet]

you can maybe do nail and soul at the same time to save time but generally best to do them separately

[nova ibex]

Right now, my zote is in deep nest

Should I free him?

[median saffron]

should i get all charms for the special item salubra is selling

[naive sonnet]

you should free him

[nova ibex]

Why?

[naive sonnet]

i believe gray prince zote is something everybody should do

[nova ibex]

I don’t like soap

Zote

[median saffron]

free fun boss

[worn hamlet]

lmao

[nova ibex]

Then I have to fight Zoë the mighty

That guy is like the worst

[worn hamlet]

I mean if they just wanna explore the game for the lore rather than for the bosses it's their deicsion lol

[median saffron]

zote should just kill king vengefly when you leae him behind

[naive sonnet]

and at least i find him to be so easy his presence in p5 makes it slightly easier

[worn hamlet]

lol

[nova ibex]

No, he just dies

[naive sonnet]

admittedly you could stick most bosses between markoth and failed champion and that'd make it easier

[onyx wigeon]

Hello

[nova ibex]

I guess I’ll try to free him

[median saffron]

that was him shedding his physical form because hallownest was too easy

[nova ibex]

Oh yeah

That was how it went

[naive sonnet]

failed champion remains one of my most significant reasons for not doing p4ab or r4

pure vessel is the most significant reason of course but fc is up there

[median saffron]

failed champion????

like

the dream version of false knight?

[nova ibex]

Pantheon five is really difficult

And really long

[shrewd nymph]

failed champ in r4 is extremely easy if you do the dreamnail stagger reset

[naive sonnet]

yeah that one

[shrewd nymph]

same reason that having him after markoth in 5 is a blessing

[median saffron]

you should've said really hard and really long so i could be like "hahahaahhahaahah"

[nova ibex]

Oh my goodness, yes, he’s so easy if you do that

[naive sonnet]

hardest boss that isn't part of the big 3

[median saffron]

the what

[onyx wigeon]

There's a certain spot in the arena, forgot where. It makes FC always do the running jump attack

[median saffron]

failed champ is easy in general

[naive sonnet]

even with all my experience with just about every boss markoth - failed champion almost killed me twice

[shrewd nymph]

yeah ai cheeses arent really worth until r04 though imo

[nova ibex]

What’s a good charm build?

I would like to know

[naive sonnet]

sticking zote between them removes the problem

yay

[onyx wigeon]

Just pick whatever buffs your damage

[shrewd nymph]

do you not do the dreamnail stagger reset for moral reasons or do you not know it?

[onyx wigeon]

Shaman, Strength

Quickslash

[naive sonnet]

i'm aware of it

[shrewd nymph]

strength qslash shaman/mop twister/catcher/sbody grubsong

[nova ibex]

Oh, okay

[median saffron]

so like if you pogo off him when hes staggered he doesnt get up?

[naive sonnet]

i just don't see much reason to use it

[shrewd nymph]

well it means that after first stagger its impossible to get hit

[nova ibex]

Then would Mark of pride work as well?

[shrewd nymph]

and you finish the fight with full soul and hp

[pastel umbra]

should i replace heart and grubsong with shaman?

[naive sonnet]

it gives you a full heal every stagger

[shrewd nymph]

with shaman you 3x shriek (and shade soul / hit rocks at him if you miss some ticks) and he instantly gets restaggered

[naive sonnet]

realistically i'm gonna take a hit or two after every stagger

[shrewd nymph]

so you cant get hit after first stagger

[naive sonnet]

i don't have shaman stone

[onyx wigeon]

Would rather Sbody and Wielder honestly

Hmm

[shrewd nymph]

no shaman for r4?

[naive sonnet]

i don't really use spells enough to justify using it over what i already have

[shrewd meadow]

why do you not have shaman stone

[onyx wigeon]

Probably got lost in the wash

[shrewd meadow]

learn to use spells

[shrewd nymph]

well it still works for the most part but the phases afterwards take a few m1s but id recommend shaman heavily

[nova ibex]

Bro, you need to get shaman stone right now

[naive sonnet]

i have it i just don't use it

[mellow mason]

So im doing p.o.p I need a good charm setup

[nova ibex]

So many bosses are so easy if you use that

[onyx wigeon]

Hiveblood or Grubsong + Deep focus

[naive sonnet]

i'll swap quick slash out for it if i fight a really spell heavy boss but that's yet to happen

[shrewd nymph]

whats ur r4 build then

[naive sonnet]

i'm not doing r4

[onyx wigeon]

Don't use minions or nail lengthening charms imo

[naive sonnet]

because failed champion and pure vessel

[shrewd meadow]

hell nah

swap out mop for it

[naive sonnet]

no

[shrewd meadow]

cause I guarantee you are using mop

mop is ass

[naive sonnet]

i'd swap out strength before mark of pride

[shrewd nymph]

whats ur general hitless pantheon build

[shrewd meadow]

💀

[shrewd nymph]

just run strength qslash shaman sbody mop

[onyx wigeon]

This seems like a self inflicted problem imo

[mellow mason]

Mop sucs

[shrewd nymph]

for overcharm

[shrewd meadow]

yeah "I'd swap out the second best charm in the game over a mid charm"

[shrewd nymph]

second is debatable

[mellow mason]

Fo weal

[naive sonnet]

i refuse to overcharm in radiant or any hitless challenges

[shrewd meadow]

no it isnt

[shrewd nymph]

well that doesnt help

[shrewd nymph]

you're saying its well over strength?

[shrewd meadow]

self inflicted punishment

[shrewd meadow]

quick slash is significantly better than strength

[mellow mason]

@naive sonnet thats just not not Being smart

[shrewd meadow]

like

[naive sonnet]

i don't even count overcharmed radiants as being radiants

[shrewd meadow]

significantly significantly

[shrewd nymph]

yeah ik that qslash is first

[subtle glacier]

[onyx wigeon]

Well

QSlash
then Shaman/Strength

[shrewd nymph]

but i dont see how strength vs shaman 2nd isnt debatable

[naive sonnet]

for someone so focused on nail stuff i really do not care about quick slash

[shrewd meadow]

damn I guess most of the r5 victors haven't actually done r5

[onyx wigeon]

depends on which player is talking

Either way someone's getting pissy

[shrewd nymph]

oh i missread this for shaman nvm

i agree w you

[naive sonnet]

overcharmed radiants are like a limbo it's more impressive than ascended but i don't consider it a true radiant

[worldly thistle]

what charms do i use for p5

[onyx wigeon]

Standard

[shrewd meadow]

overcharm is an intended mechanic for this lol

[onyx wigeon]

Strength, Shaman, Slash

[shrewd nymph]

strength qslash shaman catcher/twister/sbody grubsong
mop > shaman is possible if you need it but shaman is alot better

[worldly thistle]

i have unbreakable strength shaman quick slash and long nail

[subtle glacier]

all things considered overcharming changes like
very little

[onyx wigeon]

Bit boring but it works

[naive sonnet]

no way it is overcharming on radiant is such an obvious exploit

[shrewd nymph]

exploit?

hm

[onyx wigeon]

Eh?

[naive sonnet]

yeah the fact that it's possible is 100% an oversight

[onyx wigeon]

How is it an exploit if it's a game feature

[subtle glacier]

i wouldn’t call it an exploit, it just seems like the natural response

[shrewd nymph]

longnail is pretty ass for the most part, id recommend twister or catcher (depending on how much you heal)

[shrewd meadow]

how is it an exploit by definitions

[subtle glacier]

this is an exploit

[onyx wigeon]

Hello Choom

[shrewd nymph]

looks intended to me

[knotty ravine]

we as a society have forgotten about poggy thorax and I think that’s sad

[onyx wigeon]

Hello Sonia

[shrewd nymph]

whos ct?

[shrewd meadow]

like I'm ngl I don't think tc would have made a whole ass animation and mechanic for overcharming if they didn't intend you to, you know, use it

[naive sonnet]

i have sharp shadow as the 2 notch space filler
i know it's not very good i only care about it for 2 fights but it never has given me a reason to remove it

[onyx wigeon]

Goddamn it.

Why is it always the sharp shadow users

[shrewd nymph]

sharp shadow for all bosses but 4 (might be 5 im tired) is inhibiting

[naive sonnet]

i'm not even going to pretend sharp shadow is useful for anything other than oro and mato and maybe the watcher knights

but longnail is even more worthless and i don't use spells enough to justify spell twister

[shrewd nymph]

oro and mato, wk, fc and mawlek off the top of my head

[shrewd nymph]

sbody grubsong

[naive sonnet]

sbody would require i completely destroy my muscle memory

[onyx wigeon]

I don't like grubsong personally but the other 1 notch options aren't much better

What?

[grave flume]

guys I just joined this server, went to go chat in hk-general, and get flashed </3 bro

[onyx wigeon]

Sbody won't wreck your Muscle memory as hard as sharpie

[naive sonnet]

and as for grubsong i don't wanna have to change up my charms at all for radiants

[pastel umbra]

what

[naive sonnet]

it's why i'm not using heart to fill the space

[grave flume]

someone posted some weird stuff 😭

[onyx wigeon]

oh

[naive sonnet]

i already have muscle memory for knockback i would struggle really hard for a while if i got steady body

[onyx wigeon]

It's not that bad to be honest

[naive sonnet]

well it's not really doing anything but it's actively inhibiting in just as few fights

[pastel umbra]

wtf did i just get hit with

[gritty plover]

Does nkg do pufferfish when hp mark happen or randomly

[shrewd nymph]

75% 50% 25% in attuned
57% 38% 19% in ascended/rad

[shrewd nymph]

but theres charms like heart which have no downside, or stalwart even yk

[gritty plover]

Ok

[shrewd nymph]

s shadow is the worst charm for muscle memory and outside of that still has major downsides

[onyx wigeon]

Clearly the 1x nail damage is doing all the heavy lifting

[shrewd nymph]

use dmaster for 1.5x

broken combo trust

[onyx wigeon]

At that point just leave the 2 notches free

It's healthier

[naive sonnet]

heart would make it so i would have to change my charms whenever i wanted to do radiant

[naive sonnet]

that would be deeply unsatisfying

i always want to fill everything

[shrewd nymph]

you said you dont use sbody because muscle memory, but s shadow is by far the worst for that

[onyx wigeon]

It just sounds very self inflicted

[blissful thistle]

i fucking hate brooding mawlek

[onyx wigeon]

What are you having trouble with

[naive sonnet]

things i could use to fill the gap
longnail - redundant given i have mop at all timea
spell twister - worthless because i rarely use spells
steady body - would kill me 10 billion times
grubsong and heart - requires i change my setup on radiant
sharp shadow - inefficient but at least it's useful in a few fights

[worldly thistle]

one pantheon down 4 more to go...

in p5

[naive sonnet]

unfortunately this is probably the best option for me

[knotty ravine]

not in logic but i first tried qga
i still got it

[naive sonnet]

if, as of now, only absrad is just taking me too long to do something in i'll swap out quick slash and sharp shadow for shaman stone and spell twister

[onyx wigeon]

What's QGA

[naive sonnet]

but that's a rarity
believe it's only ever happened once

[naive sonnet]

queen's gardens acid

[onyx wigeon]

Sounds like illegal narcotics

[vernal knot]

Naked Donkey Kong pfp haver

Do you fw Nailmaster's Glory

[vivid creek]

I think I'd legit take grimmchild over sharpshadow in most cases

[ivory dirge]

bro killed by fart

literally died mid-air

[median saffron]

YOU CAN SEE A REAL ALIVE WEAVER IN HK WHAT?????

[ivory dirge]

defender crest is so ffunny

i remember beating pale knight and bro died midair bc of the crest

[naive sonnet]

oh i forgot about that one

grimmchild - have you lost your damn mind i'm absolutely not using this

[vivid creek]

Still would take it over sharpshadow, lol

[naive sonnet]

not particularly there's like 2 fights ever where nail arts get used

and that's being generous

[onyx wigeon]

Dashmaster then

[median saffron]

you just need to use narts more

if ur not attacking you should charge up a nail art

[naive sonnet]

i use them near exclusively in ab where obviously nmg will be no factor at all

[vivid creek]

You could go the whole game without using narts
But they're good when used properly

Especially in ab, dash/greatslash do more damage than shade soul
Cyclone does 20% more damage than abyss shriek

[naive sonnet]

that's why i use them in ab

[median saffron]

cyclone slash is 100% the worst nart tho

[naive sonnet]

it's like spells but not supremely risky to use in ab

[vivid creek]

Eh
With quickslash maybe

Any scenario without quickslash it becomes really good for burst damage

[median saffron]

you have to stand still for too long

[naive sonnet]

it was a lifesaver in p3ab against collector

[median saffron]

most bosses move around too much for that

[vivid creek]

Just need to learn safe windows to use it

[median saffron]

you struggle with collecter?????

[onyx wigeon]

All bindings

[naive sonnet]

notice how all my examples of nail arts being worth a damn come from when i restrict myself massively

[vivid creek]

ab collector is not the same as regular collector

p5ab collector is like the 4th hardest p5ab boss imo

[median saffron]

im pretty sure qslash + strength has more dps than cyclone slash because narts dont take strength into account

[median saffron]

whats p5ab

[vivid creek]

This is why I said in circumstances without QS

[median saffron]

every build uses qs

[vivid creek]

Pantheon 5 all bindings

[naive sonnet]

i can guess that 1 and 2 are absrad and pv like normal but then what the fuck is 3
i would've guessed 3 would be collector

[median saffron]

who the fuck does that

like fireborn and thats it

[vivid creek]

I did

[onyx wigeon]

Many people actually

[naive sonnet]

masochists, mostly
i've done 3 with all bindings

[onyx wigeon]

[naive sonnet]

and that is where collector is hard

collector is by far the biggest threat in p3ab

[median saffron]

should you use spell build for all binding or nail build?

[vivid creek]

PV is light work, only hard part about it is the nerves

It's like absrad >>>>>> zote >> markoth > collector, imo
Some people say they don't struggle with zote tho

[naive sonnet]

the first run where i got past him was also the one where i beat p3ab

[vivid creek]

no charms at all

[median saffron]

fuck ur right

[naive sonnet]

yeah i've never struggled with gpz in any context

[onyx wigeon]

...There's no charms in all bindings

[naive sonnet]

i imagine failed champion is high up there simply by virtue of being one of the hardest bosses in the game

[vivid creek]

AB dash/greatslash do as much as a regular nail hit in NB

lol

[vivid creek]

Failed champ can be kinda tough but not too bad tbh
It's another boss that's mostly just nerves because if you get to him it means you just did zotekoth

[naive sonnet]

failed champion is never very stressful for me because i usually end gpz with full health

[median saffron]

how do I get this grub

[naive sonnet]

remove zote from the equation and i'm terrified of failed champion but that's unlikely to happen

[vivid creek]

Enter the little doors

There's one that has one of the large guards & the grub iirc

[vivid creek]

inb4 p5ab zote

[naive sonnet]

oh i can do ab zote

no problem

[vale hamlet]

Hi

[naive sonnet]

YOU

[shrewd nymph]

1 less no?

1 more*

[vale hamlet]

Uhhhh

I'm dead trust

[onyx wigeon]

What was the multiplier on that again?
2.5x nail or 2x

[shrewd nymph]

2.5

[naive sonnet]

i'm gonna go markoth mode on you

[vivid creek]

I mean, yeah
But it's 1 dmg

[shrewd nymph]

huge numbers

no i was just checking ik its miniscule

[onyx wigeon]

All that for 25 damage

[vivid creek]

2.5x for great/dashslash
1.25x (x6) for cyclone
Both unaffected by str

[naive sonnet]

markoth has a hot voice

[vivid creek]

ye

[vale hamlet]

Dude I'm literally a shade right now

[onyx wigeon]

Dreamnail it

[median saffron]

why are all the required bosses to beat the game lowk mid

like

watcher knights..

uumuu..

[onyx wigeon]

Deepnest

[naive sonnet]

watcher knights is pretty hard but i like it

[vivid creek]

Deepnest in HoG when?

[naive sonnet]

man i love deepnest i wish it was harder

[median saffron]

watcher knights are lowk repetitive

[onyx wigeon]

I dislike Watcher knights

Reminds me of mantis lords but worse

[median saffron]

3 attacks but one barely counts

[vivid creek]

I kinda like watchers ngl
They're kinda annoying at first but the fight has good flow once you've done it enough times

[median saffron]

dude willoh is still eating these mushrooms after all this time

[onyx wigeon]

Bane of my current challenge run

[vivid creek]

Which challenge?

[median saffron]

did willoh just burp?????? 😭

[onyx wigeon]

0nws

Managed to nail 3/5 before forgetting to jump for a solid two seconds

[vivid creek]

Ah
Max% 0upgrades?

[onyx wigeon]

Old nail white spells

then 5 masks cuz why not

[vivid creek]

ye
but like, what's the end goal
Max % ,TE, base ending?

Or is it just HoG stuff\

[onyx wigeon]

See if I can do godhome

[naive sonnet]

i did basically that but with sharpened nail in my file to get the speedrun achievements

[onyx wigeon]

after getting base ending

[median saffron]

its cool how the colloseum got alot of its enemies from greenpath/queens gardens

[onyx wigeon]

Just whatever I can to warm myself up before doing more ambitious challenges

[vivid creek]

Noice

I've been losing my mind trying to do r5

[onyx wigeon]

After that I'll most likely try bingo

[vivid creek]

37h in and the best I've been able to muster is a 5-hit

[foggy sable]

biggest mistake

[vivid creek]

Yeah
Tbf I have been spreading out the attempts a bit

But occasionally I get sucked in and spend 5h on it in a single day

[foggy sable]

I only did like an hour or 2 a day

and kept some sanity

[vivid creek]

Makes sense
I need to ease off the grindset

[foggy sable]

r5 will eat away at the fun of it

[onyx wigeon]

I'm not going to judge

[median saffron]

i sold all my relics

so i can get unbreakable heart

[foggy sable]

no upgrades max% is fun

[frosty badge]

Haiiii

[foggy sable]

bingy is fun though

[onyx wigeon]

Would you recommend it

[foggy sable]

yes

a lot

[onyx wigeon]

Alright then

[foggy sable]

onws godhome is pretty good

[onyx wigeon]

I wonder if it's obvious who I'm supposed to be

How do you set it up btw

[foggy sable]

no upgrades masks/vessels onws p5 will probably be harder than p5ab when combined though

[frosty badge]

Yeah it’s really hard without it!

[foggy sable]

join the bingy server first

I'm pretty sure there is info there

[onyx wigeon]

Okay, found the server

[foggy sable]

p5 with restcitions is usually a good time though so it's great

[frosty badge]

Mhm mhm

[foggy sable]

although anything lower than p5 onws or p5ab drags on a bit

[naive sonnet]

every p5 challenge sounds just so miserable

[onyx wigeon]

That's the goal

usually.

[foggy sable]

the goal isn't miserable

the goal is fun

[naive sonnet]

i really can't imagine doing p5ab

that just seems like such an unfun experience

[foggy sable]

p5ab so fun though

[onyx wigeon]

"""""""Fun""""""

I don't have a Marmu picture in hand

to shoo Grey away

[naive sonnet]

i've the first 3 pantheons ab and the only good fight was sheo

[foggy sable]

ha

p5ab was awful the first time and good all the others

[fast prism]

Is ab all bindings?

[onyx wigeon]

Grey would probably enjoy watching paint dry

yes

[foggy sable]

💔

[naive sonnet]

wouldn't it be significantly over an hour

[fast prism]

Who does p5ab for fun bro

[onyx wigeon]

Grey

[fast prism]

I can't get past markoth in p5

[onyx wigeon]

If you're good enough at the game it changes you forever

[foggy sable]

p5ab takes like an hour and a quarter/half the first time

[onyx wigeon]

Wether that is a good thing or not depends on who you ask

[foggy sable]

but for me takes a bit under an hour now

[fast prism]

Genuinely pure vessel is 5 times easier than ascended markoth

[foggy sable]

yes

[naive sonnet]

i always felt pv and absrad are the only bosses you have any business dying to in p5

normal p5 of course

and failed champion but only if you don't have zote

[fast prism]

I thought people say NKG and PV are like super hard bosses?

[foggy sable]

depends

on who you ask

[fast prism]

They're easy for me tho

But I haven't even made it to abs rad so I shouldn't talk

[median saffron]

why would zote make failed champ easier?

[placid pier]

Hello everybody

[median saffron]

failed champ is alr easy

[shrewd nymph]

because they are at first

but after a little they become fine

[median saffron]

just dash under when he jumps and hit him

[fast prism]

Ig

[foggy sable]

lune back me up p5ab is fun

[shrewd nymph]

..

[median saffron]

whats ab

[shrewd nymph]

all bindings

[shrewd nymph]

it is if you use nail arts and/or can get it down below an hour

before that, not at all

[foggy sable]

so fun

[shrewd nymph]

vfk isnt even that fun in p5ab and i love vfk

[fast prism]

Guys w or l combo?
Deep focus, quick focus, strength and steady

[foggy sable]

vfk is never fun

vfk is just a speedbump at best

[shrewd nymph]

im not accepting that

look at my most recent video

how is that not fun

[foggy sable]

because it is the first boss in p5

[shrewd nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMaAApSrl2M

most satisfying fight oat

[foggy sable]

oh you don't set up fury

[shrewd nymph]

why would i

[vale hamlet]

Dude I swear nkg feels like it's harder by some people saying it but when I look at the boss fight it doesn't look like it's hard

[onyx wigeon]

Isn't Grey the one that called Sharp Shadow good

[shrewd nymph]

grey made nkg s shadow strats

[foggy sable]

depends who is here

optimal sharp shadow strats

[shrewd nymph]

me

[foggy sable]

which I'll never use again

[shrewd nymph]

thats a relief

[agile pewter]

R5 ss only when

[foggy sable]

unless...

[onyx wigeon]

Not if I can do anything about it

[shrewd nymph]

r5ab but you get sharp shadow

[onyx wigeon]

isn't this fun

Sharp shadow only marmu

[foggy sable]

doable tbh

marmu has shade cloak strats

[vale hamlet]

R5ab no nail no dream nail no soul only ss

[agile pewter]

Rock bottom ss only

[onyx wigeon]

I'd rather be top

[dark tiger]

does anyone wanna guess what this is

[vale hamlet]

Can't wait for someone to do this on a regular tuesday

[dark tiger]

SHADE LORD WORSHIPPER?????????

[naive sonnet]

by making it so you don't have to go directly into it from markoth

[foggy sable]

down dash nkg pufferfish strats are so fun at least

[naive sonnet]

i know it's disgusting

[shrewd nymph]

just pogo smh

[foggy sable]

down dash sharp shadow

[shrewd nymph]

i did pogo pufferfish in my f5 lol

[dark tiger]

you might have competition now

[vale hamlet]

That's a joke I just saw this dude do a radiance worshipper so I just decided why don't I do the opposite and do shade lord worshipper

Btw I'm radiance worshipper #12 trust

[naive sonnet]

my friend's name in this server is already void worshipper #2

you got competition

[dark tiger]

no

[naive sonnet]

i already decided that's traitor lord

[vale hamlet]

NOSK WORSHIPPER?

[sage veldt]

yo

[onyx wigeon]

bread

[vale hamlet]

Oh I forgot about that

[vale hamlet]

Hi radiance worshipper #1

[sage veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[naive sonnet]

that's right godseeker is #1

[muted jackal]

Doors

[naive sonnet]

she's so devoted the radiance is probably madly in love with her or something
i have no proof of this but radiance loves godseeker trust

[vale hamlet]

Ong shade lord worshipper #3 is a traitor bro like you got infected ong you suck

[vale hamlet]

Oh damn

[boreal hollow]

Hi chat

[vale hamlet]

Hi

[boreal hollow]

ascend with gorb

[vale hamlet]

No I think I'd rather descend into the abyss

[boreal hollow]

well then descend with gorb

[naive sonnet]

i highly dislike gorb as a concept

[vale hamlet]

Is gorb going to the abyss

[boreal hollow]

yes

[flint crow]

"Die from void poisoning with gorb"

[vale hamlet]

I think I changed my mind about going to the abyss with gorb I'd rather go to black egg beat up my sibling enter his dreams and kill radiance

[naive sonnet]

why would you kill hallownest's savior

she's what this world needs

[worn hamlet]

wait gorb is female?

[vale hamlet]

Every corner I turn I get jumped

[naive sonnet]

no i'm talking about the radiance

[worn hamlet]

oh lol

[vale hamlet]

She is NOT the saviour of hallownest

Pale king is trust

[naive sonnet]

rejoice, for a grand and very bright apotheosis is upon us

(apotheosis - act of becoming divine)

[worn hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/teto-word-of-the-day-gif-4916673433567262067

[vale hamlet]

Would you like to hear the word of the lord shade lord

[worn hamlet]

aw darnit the gif has its own word

[median saffron]

madness combat reference?!?!?!??!?!?!?!!?

[vivid creek]

My completions were about 53mins

[naive sonnet]

no that is not what i am referencing here

[vivid creek]

gross

[feral zenith]

a sh*** sh**** moves like water huh
i wonder how many tiems this joke has been made before

[naive sonnet]

the secret bosses all had sharp shadow equipped

[feral zenith]

spamton neo being strung up by strings:

[naive sonnet]

he can't dash so he can't use the charm :(

[feral zenith]

is the shadow mantle just void cloak

[vale hamlet]

WHY IS SPAMTON NEO USING SHAMAN STONE

[feral zenith]

wait oh my god spamton literally uses vengeful spirit
||IN THE SAME WAY GROAL DOES||

[vivid creek]

Grats

[feral zenith]

is the ||titan|| just ||the shade lord||

is the knight just the knight

[vale hamlet]

Dw guys I got a better idea I'm going to shade soul spamton neo

[naive sonnet]

nah the roaring knight is pv

[worn hamlet]

time for some more charmless ascended collector attempts :D

yayy

[feral zenith]

kris is pure vessel because they contain the light inside their SOUL

and are tarnished by an idea instilled

[naive sonnet]

roaring knight vs pure vessel

[vivid creek]

Practicing for ab?

[worn hamlet]

nope practicing for charm binding of p5

[feral zenith]

i forgot how ascended collector was and it absolutely jumpscared me on my p5 run

[vivid creek]

Oh, also cool
gl :p

[worn hamlet]

doing all pantheons eb first

[naive sonnet]

p5ab collector fucking terrifies me

[feral zenith]

who thought it was a good idea to do that

[worn hamlet]

loll

[thick elk]

[worn hamlet]

for me shaman stone was the saving grace of nail binding

bc of giant hitbox

now I don't have giant hitbox and it's very upsetting

[feral zenith]

just hit the giantbox

[naive sonnet]

good thing i'm likely to never do p5ab

[thick elk]

whyy

[worn hamlet]

?

[vivid creek]

Makes sense
Tbh charms is the hardest by a longshot

[feral zenith]

idk im sleep deprived and talking nonsense
apologies

[feral zenith]

i love sharp shadow so much and not having it hurts my soul

[worn hamlet]

valid and real

[worn hamlet]

yepp

tbh I don't feel like sleeping tonight so I think ima stay up late till I beat collector like this

I haven't not slept in awhile and I don't have school tmrw so it's fine

[feral zenith]

i just realized both hollow knight and deltarune have a major thing called soul

fuck me these games really are the exact same

[delicate karma]

what charms do i use for watcher knights

[vivid creek]

Having sharp shadow on hurts my soul

[worn hamlet]

the frick

[feral zenith]

Charm Choice Is Subjective

[worn hamlet]

collector jumped across the arena to hit me

the actual heck

is that

[feral zenith]

oh yeah sometimes it does that

[shrewd nymph]

good for you but bad overall, nothing wrong with that

[worn hamlet]

love that ;-;

[feral zenith]

it just feels too good dude
i love using it

[vivid creek]

To an extent
Basically any build can do all the content in the base game, but there are some that are objectively more effective

[feral zenith]

i like to play and have fun

[shrewd nymph]

its a fun charm i do agree

[vivid creek]

The main thing that trips me up is the inconsistent dash length
I can see some appeal for people who don't mind that tho

[feral zenith]

that and also i think there are some situations that it is actually pretty good in
being able to counter every nkg attack with a damaging move easily is really nice

[shrewd nymph]

the main reason the charm gets so much hate is because of people who try to argue its logically good overall, not just for themselves / preference

if it works for you, use it

[feral zenith]

FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT

[onyx wigeon]

Is it Sharp Shadow again

[feral zenith]

yes it is

i love using it so much

[shrewd nymph]

but without sharp shadow you can punish for more damage (and -2 notches), hence it being logically worse.

however, if you instinctively punish otherwise then its better for you

[onyx wigeon]

We can use Greyfire as evidence

[feral zenith]

that and also im for some reason really obsessed with the damage boost it gets with dashmaster

i do not understand why

[shrewd nymph]

eek

[onyx wigeon]

Greyfire please list why Sharp Shadow can file my taxes

[feral zenith]

it just feels like a good counter for moves where an enemy dashes towards you
you dodge AND damage with the SAME MOVE and its so satisfying to me

but i can do the same in other ways if need be

its more of a convenience

[vale hamlet]

What is vfk

[vivid creek]

Ye
Double str slash or a nart are 3x nail & 2.5x nail
Sshadow is 1x or 1.5x if you commit 4 notches to dashmaster-Sshadow

[worn hamlet]

vengefly king

[feral zenith]

which i will ALWAYS do

it's objectively a bad move but like it's SO FUN so i don't care

[vale hamlet]

Lune probably did that x 8 radiant 1 hp no charms ab

Like x8 the amount of vfk

[worn hamlet]

XD

[vivid creek]

Ye
Games are for fun, if meta isn't fun for you then chuck it out the window

[shrewd nymph]

the bosses i logically see it fine are mawlek, oro and mato, watcher knights and failed champ

but thats my preference

[feral zenith]

it is really good for mawlek

[vivid creek]

Basically fat bois

[feral zenith]

i actually like it for nkg and pure vessel and that probably is fucking weird

[shrewd nymph]

you can do 4x on uppercut with great slash > m1

[vale hamlet]

That isn't it feels completely normal for me

[shrewd nymph]

really common for pv atleast

[worn hamlet]

ok im getting much better at this

noice

this feels good

[vivid creek]

4x on which move?

[boreal hollow]

Hi chat

[worn hamlet]

feels like im starting over with my skill level fighting charmless asc collector lol

[worn hamlet]

hoi twister

[shrewd nymph]

uppercut

[feral zenith]

also here's something funny
for a long while i was very frustrated at pv

[boreal hollow]

Sup macaron enjoyer

[shrewd nymph]

idk shriek on uppercut dmg but ik its less

[vivid creek]

Oh yeah

[feral zenith]

when i did my most recent playthrough (after a looooooong hiatus from the game) i ended up doing it first try
the old me can get bent pure vessel fucking rules

[foggy sable]

or you can get 4x with a great slash + sharp shadow

[shrewd nymph]

oh no

[boreal hollow]

hihi greyfire

[foggy sable]

hihi

[shrewd nymph]

nkg and sharp shadow being discussed and i see 'greyfire (chronic skill issue is typing'

instant dread

[foggy sable]

winning

[vale hamlet]

Guys if I use ss should I also use dash master or just keep it at that

[shrewd nymph]

just ss

[vivid creek]

Reject ddark
embrace downdash sharpshadow + stalwart shell

[feral zenith]

i just like sharp shadow for nkg because i get to easily counter some of his movies with damaging stuff
like that move where he swipes at you and uppercuts i can just dash through the first swipe

[shrewd nymph]

the 0.5x damage isnt remotely worth 2 notches

[foggy sable]

so the first thing is don't use sharp shadow

[feral zenith]

depends on if you care about the damage boost (YOU SHOULDNT)

[foggy sable]

but if you are go all in on downdash

[rapid bridge]

is it worth doing coloseum early?

[feral zenith]

if you can manage it yes

[median saffron]

yes

[feral zenith]

the first two trials aren't that bad at all

[vale hamlet]

Colo 2 and below yes

[rapid bridge]

imma like get shade soul and try

[shrewd nymph]

pv is my main boss, and i understand why people would want to use s shadow on him but theres people who say its better on him than not ykwim

[vivid creek]

If you're comfortable with it yea
Easy notch, ore & moneh

[vale hamlet]

Colo 3 no

[torn peak]

it's so fucking hollow

[torn peak]

almost like hollow knight

[shrewd nymph]

if they made dmaster let you upwards dash id use s shadow on nkg though lowk