hk-discussion

[keen thorn]

which causally predicted silksong btw

[naive dew]

I temember that it was peak

[keen thorn]

Maybe?? idrk how to feel

Maybe irrelevant is not accurate

But maybe it sits closer to like 10%

[carmine lava]

guys rate my name

[dull radish]

i bought a simple key and it unlocked an npc who asked for food

[carmine lava]

nah

[keen thorn]

well the heavy hitters do a lot of the work as well

But still just 04 collector has taken more time than R04 Markoth

single damage

6 vs 9 hours standing

[shrewd meadow]

genio

unlimited games but no games or unlimited bacon but no bacon

[shut heron]

😔

[keen thorn]

well

[carmine lava]

i don't like bacon

[summer nacelle]

does carefree melody prevent dying in radiant fights?

[keen thorn]

Unlimited bacon but no bacon

[carmine lava]

it can

[keen thorn]

I can sell it

[carmine lava]

most of the time it won't

[naive dew]

@shrewd meadow

[summer nacelle]

coolio

[shrewd meadow]

unlimited games but no games or unlimited money but no money

[carmine lava]

it's not worth it anyways

[carmine lava]

what if i don't like money

[shrewd meadow]

[carmine lava]

or games

[naive dew]

Throw bingz soon surely

[shrewd meadow]

nuh

[keen thorn]

Yes, but it will still be a
0%, 10.1%, 20.2%... 90.9% until you die

it will mostly do nothing

[zealous skiff]

i wouldnt argue the rest is entirely irrelevant

[naive dew]

Yuh

Chompiiiiiii

[zealous skiff]

meloniiii

[keen thorn]

On average cfm is a 23%

[zealous skiff]

heloni

[summer nacelle]

0%
i thought it COULD prevent death in radiant fights

[zealous skiff]

how is homework

[naive dew]

Hiiibii im not hoemworking imin bed

Its 1:15am

[keen thorn]

Is getting one chance every 4 runs to do 1 hit really worth the notches?

[keen thorn]

mb bad wording

until it triggers

death doesn't reset the counter

[summer nacelle]

oh wait the flag for triggering doesn't reset?!

[keen thorn]

no

[summer nacelle]

wow. that's weeeeeird

[keen thorn]

at least afaik

[zealous skiff]

oh shit

gl sleep

[keen thorn]

sleep

now

[naive dew]

Nuh im not eepy

[keen thorn]

Byelone

[naive dew]

Im judt chilling here

[keen thorn]

I'll make you eepy then

[zealous skiff]

ok but like maybe if you turn off screens youll start eepying

[naive dew]

Yeah thats why i get 8 hours a night

Ibut today im just lowkey chilling

[junior spindle]

i wanna ask if anyone can spare 15 bucks for a virtual steam card (if they exist) but most of us are prob broke

cuz i wanna get hollow knight on my pc so i can mod it

[zealous skiff]

okie but idk if your going to be chilling tmrw if you dont sleep

[naive dew]

Tmr is FREE

[carmine lava]

stay up

[zinc delta]

i wish i had a pc

[junior spindle]

well i say pc but im on a laptop

[zinc delta]

same

[junior spindle]

lol

[zinc delta]

i'm a console gamer though

[junior spindle]

ah

i mostly play on my switch but i wanna get it on my laptop so i can mod

[zinc delta]

i only use my laptop for modded games

[junior spindle]

thats honesty true for me aswell

[junior spindle]

anyways back to the first question

[zinc delta]

i'm playing sk instead of hk which is weird for me

[junior spindle]

ok

[zinc delta]

grinding rn

[cloud oasis]

Yo should i upgrade nail before or after soulmaster

[zinc delta]

before

[cloud oasis]

Oh dam

I knew it bro

[junior spindle]

yea before but or you could be like me and not upgrade my nail

[cloud oasis]

Bro i met someone here that while streaming beat radiant pure vessel mod w lvl 1 nail

No hit

[zinc delta]

radiant pure vessel isn't a mod though?

[cloud oasis]

No i forget wich mod it is

Like

Hol up

[zinc delta]

path of pure vessel?

[cloud oasis]

No like the mods w all the better versions of bosses

[zinc delta]

idk

[cloud oasis]

Ya

He didnt tell me

He gatekeeping fr

[junior spindle]

cohen do you got a spare 15$

[cloud oasis]

Uhhh

Why do you sdk

Ask

[junior spindle]

i wanna get hollow knight on my laptop so i can mod

[cloud oasis]

Ts gotta be a scam brochacho

Hol up ill be back in like 10 mins

[junior spindle]

i love how one of the tags for hk is great soundtrack

[ashen ginkgo]

boo

[junior spindle]

what are you saying boo to and who

[ashen ginkgo]

I’m saying boo as in boo jumpscare

just in general

[junior spindle]

oh aaaa

[ashen ginkgo]

No specific person in mind

[spiral vault]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-surprised-shocked-spongebob-gif-13792715196742458876

[tawny wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-fnaf-fnaf-world-fighting-battle-gif-21125232

[junior spindle]

i bea fnaf world so i understand this

beat*

[steel sundial]

Okay guys

I got the void heart

[junior spindle]

noice

[tawny wharf]

I only beat the ez ending

[steel sundial]

Whats the next step?

[steel sundial]

Noob

Fnaf world is peak

[junior spindle]

two words grimm child

or all charms

[steel sundial]

I alerdy have it

Noob

[junior spindle]

i also have it

[hollow dragon]

fight thk again

[steel sundial]

Time to hear banger ost

I love sealed vessel

Okay guys

So

[junior spindle]

nah go to god home and kill 57 zotes in the eternal ordeal

[sick prism]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-25277476

[steel sundial]

I got the pure nail

[hollow dragon]

zote menu screen is straight peak

[steel sundial]

The best nail build

And shade cloak

I am ready?

[hollow dragon]

yes

[tawny wharf]

Pantheon?

[hollow dragon]

go cook the radiance

[junior spindle]

you need the zote title screen bro

[steel sundial]

Who is the radiance?

[hollow dragon]

nah, next step is dream no more for this guy

[edgy minnow]

u will know

[tawny wharf]

.

[fringe mason]

is there a mod where i only fight bosses -

[hollow dragon]

fight thk and find out

[steel sundial]

I am

[edgy minnow]

that's just the pantheons

[steel sundial]

Last stag goated

[hollow dragon]

good, get off discord and go do it

[edgy minnow]

*old stag

[steel sundial]

I missed serry

Alr guys

Why hornet is here?

I DIDNT CALLED U SPIDER

Wait

Guys

[tawny wharf]

I know it is

I adore the game

[steel sundial]

Was path of pain obrigatory?

My friend said it was

I got a cool cutscene after 6 hours

He laughed at me when i did it

[tawny wharf]

It’s not necessary at all, not for completion and you don’t get any achievement

[steel sundial]

I DID ALL OF THAT FOR A ASS CUTSCENE?

WORST 6 HOURS OAT BRO

[tawny wharf]

Yup

[edgy minnow]

and the feeling of completion

the sureal feeling of completing it

[steel sundial]

IM SO DUMB

[zinc delta]

and the seal of binding

[steel sundial]

Nkg was the hardest boss fight

But wait

[edgy minnow]

absolute radiance?

[steel sundial]

Before i go pay my brother a visit

[edgy minnow]

was she easier

[steel sundial]

Whos ths girl

I HEAVENT FINESHED THE GAME

Stop spoiling

[edgy minnow]

shoulda said that bruh

u will find out

[steel sundial]

I did

Alr

WAIT

HORNET ATTACKED THE HOLLOW KNIGHT

[edgy minnow]

kingdom's edge?

[steel sundial]

Uhhhh

Whats this place?

[tawny wharf]

LMAO

[edgy minnow]

are u in greepath?????

[steel sundial]

No

Its like

[zinc delta]

welp i 112% hk so now i'm doing sk

[steel sundial]

Its like heaven

[edgy minnow]

is everything snow?

[steel sundial]

No

[tawny wharf]

He’s at ||radiance||

[edgy minnow]

ohhhh

im dumb

[steel sundial]

But i can chellange something

[edgy minnow]

go for it

[steel sundial]

WHAT IM CHALLENGING?

THE CLOUDS?

[tawny wharf]

The sun

[edgy minnow]

what am I gonna fight THE SUN?

[steel sundial]

ITS MOVING

A WHOLE NAME SCREEN FOR THE BOSS?

IM FUCKED

[tawny wharf]

Gl bud..

[edgy minnow]

ur gonna need that luck

[steel sundial]

LAST TIME THIS HEAPPENED I PASSED 1 MONTH TO DEFEAT THE BOSS

[edgy minnow]

ur cooked

[tawny wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/man-praying-black-man-praying-black-man-praying-and-crying-man-praying-and-crying-gif-23376408540985609

[dark tiger]

cro might be cooked

[junior spindle]

i got nitro

[fallow grotto]

human spotted

[junior spindle]

???

[dull radish]

just pieced up this fool he aint even a real knight

[junior spindle]

nice

[cloud oasis]

Bro jst started💀

[runic shuttle]

ez

[rich stone]

Was it for NKG

[cloud oasis]

Good job ybo

[runic shuttle]

now time to do her in hallownest pantheon

[cloud oasis]

HE IS READY

LET HIM FACE

PANTHEON5

[rich stone]

You kinda need to do her consistently not just once

[steel sundial]

NO WAY

[junior spindle]

u on pc if yes can i watch you play cuz im bored rn

[runic shuttle]

nah i like to torture myself

[steel sundial]

FIRST TRY

EZ

[dull radish]

what

[runic shuttle]

thanks though

[junior spindle]

like can i watch u play hollow knight

[rich stone]

Hopefully you win but nerves will make you play way worse

[dull radish]

sure

actually nah

[junior spindle]

oh

[dull radish]

mb

[junior spindle]

its ok

[dull radish]

im kinda tired

[junior spindle]

ah

tmrw

?

[dull radish]

ok sure

[runic shuttle]

ive been playing hollow knight for like 5 hours now i couldnt care less

[rich stone]

For just 5 hours

[rich stone]

You mean 5 hours totally or 5 hours now

[spiral vault]

We should spend 5 hours playing showdown

[vital tundra]

Do it radiant for practice

[pastel umbra]

how do i open the bottom gate in hall of gods? i beat all the bosses on the bottom row

[runic shuttle]

now

[runic shuttle]

i havent beaten it ascended yet

[runic shuttle]

you need to defeat every single boss

abrsad included

[pastel umbra]

oh ok

[runic shuttle]

not just the bottom row

the top one too

[pastel umbra]

its gonna be 2033 by the time i beat p5 lol/j

[naive sonnet]

i got past uumuu in r3

this could be the run

[pastel umbra]

i think p3 is gonna be the one i get stuck on

[vital tundra]

Just on attuned. In HOG

But it upgrades with each difficulty

[naive sonnet]

well nevermind i got hit once on hronet

[pastel umbra]

in other news i got through 2 pantheons today!!

[naive sonnet]

unless you're trying to do it hitless like i am p3 is fine

it's p4 you've gotta look out for

[spiral vault]

P3> p4

[pastel umbra]

obblelobbles get me super low

[spiral vault]

https://tenor.com/view/gülmek-komik-gif-1506407869824367367

[naive sonnet]

that is p2

[dreamy girder]

obbleobbles

[pastel umbra]

oh right i forgot lol

[naive sonnet]

i don't know why "p3 is harder than p4" is such a common opinion

[spiral vault]

Because its true

[naive sonnet]

less fun? absolutely p3 mostly sucks

harder? what the hell are you on about

[spiral vault]

P4 is free

[naive sonnet]

p3 is hard carried by grimm zote and sly

i couldn't care less about any other boss in it

[dreamy girder]

i lowkey see it only in the final boss lmao

sly is VERY arguably harder than pv

[naive sonnet]

and when it comes to difficulty sly and hornet are the only hard-adjacent fights in all of p3

[dreamy girder]

pv is much faster but also much... easier

[carmine lava]

crazy

i can argue that mmc is harder than pv

doesn't make it true

[pastel umbra]

its grimm who gets me low

[naive sonnet]

well you do get a heal right after him

[pastel umbra]

ill practice him ig

[pastel umbra]

thats nice

[dreamy girder]

difficulty is subjective, so there is no "truth". and im not the only person with the take that sly is debatably harder lmao

[naive sonnet]

p4 has pure vessel who alone i'd say is harder than all of p3

[carmine lava]

i don't think i've ever seen anyone call sly harder than pv

[dreamy girder]

ok

[carmine lava]

on radiant sure but for a first clear / on attuned?

no way

[willow flame]

does markoth heal when he does the spinny thing?

[carmine lava]

no

[runic shuttle]

bosses dont heal

[spiral vault]

Me personally I didnt have trouble with pure vessel but sly kicked my butt

[willow flame]

then y is bro hated so much

[pastel umbra]

i died at god tamer on my first attempt so i went to practice them so i havent done the rest

[dreamy girder]

ehhh first clear sly is really facetankable ig

[willow flame]

he doesnt seem so bad so far

[runic shuttle]

the ascended arena + radiant difficulty

you dont know how hard it is

[dreamy girder]

floorless radiant

[naive sonnet]

p4 also has failed champion and watcher knights which are the two hardest base game bosses

[runic shuttle]

you have to keep moving while dodging all his attacks while also trying to hit him

[willow flame]

oh theres another version?

[pastel umbra]

oh and theres gpz too

[spiral vault]

Damn

[runic shuttle]

listed out 2 of the easiest bosses

[pastel umbra]

i hate that guy

[naive sonnet]

this is a bit of an unpopular opinion but i think gpz should be in p2 because i think he's a bit easy for p3

[dreamy girder]

tbf wk is usually seen as one of the harder basegame bosses

[naive sonnet]

maybe swap in nosk or oblobbles

preferably nosk because having both colo bosses would be repetitive

[pastel umbra]

you do not understand the amount of dmg

i take

[zinc delta]

i'm tired rn so ima save and sleep

[dreamy girder]

elder hu is easier than xero, lets switch em up too

[vocal bay]

failed champion is kinda easy you can just get infinite soul every time hes downed

[dreamy girder]

realize how dumb that sounds???

[naive sonnet]

that doesn't sound particularly dumb

xero would be fine in p3

[dense fjord]

Is everything okay at home

[naive sonnet]

yeah i'd say so

[dreamy girder]

gpz is where he is for a reason, him also being the run ender of both many base p5 runs, p5ab runs, and even r5 isnt coincidence

[dense fjord]

Okay I thought there just might be some head trauma

[dreamy girder]

which also isnt coincidental with him being amongst the last bosses

[pastel umbra]

for some reason p2 was easy, maybe i got lucky cus i beat it on my second attempt

[naive sonnet]

maybe this goes beyond difficulty gpz and nosk aren't very different in difficulty

[carmine lava]

given this logic i think that most people would say gpz should be in p4

[dreamy girder]

bullshit

[naive sonnet]

gpz just feels like a p2 boss and nosk just feels like a p3 boss

[dreamy girder]

nosk is piss easy bro

even without platform

what the fuck are you on

attuned/ascended arena nosk is practically impossible to die at

[naive sonnet]

i find nosk easier on ascended because i do not know how to play with the attuned arena

[spiral vault]

Attuned arena has the cheese

[dreamy girder]

you having a particular skill issue with nosk doesnt mean he is harder than fucking gpz

[naive sonnet]

this alone made nosk the biggest runkiller for me in r2

[dreamy girder]

and i literally love gpz it is my second-third fav boss in game

[naive sonnet]

even more than oblobbles

[dreamy girder]

gpz is considered amongst the hardest radiants for a reason

nosk isnt even top 10 hardest

[naive sonnet]

yeah and i think gpz is piss easy

[carmine lava]

@keen thorn would disagree

[spiral vault]

I think nosk is piss easy

[naive sonnet]

i've done gpz radiant like 70 times and i bring it up a lot because i think it's funny
i'm not bragging that's not very impressive

[spiral vault]

Nosk should go in p1 cuz I'm soooooo good

[dense fjord]

Doesnt mean gpz should be in p2 just because YOU find it easy

[dreamy girder]

well surely he'd agree with gpz being harder

[fallow grotto]

SUNNY HOLY SHIT

GOAT

GOAT!

[keen thorn]

It was R04 specifically thank you very much

[dreamy girder]

yes, we're talking base rad

so yeah

[carmine lava]

that doesn't justify anything sorry

[dreamy girder]

how much time did it take him

im curious now

[carmine lava]

idk genio send the tier list

[terse condor]

me when hollow is knighting

[lament smelt]

Is all of hallownest pitch black?

[keen thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1386175335082623046/1386176633790009384/Ponderclose.gif

[keen thorn]

Over an hour

[carmine lava]

amazing

[keen thorn]

A tier is not numbered

blep

[dreamy girder]

sly being harder than pv on my part was basically just a bullshit ragebait take because i can

but nosk being harder than gpz is just sheer stupidty

stupidity*

[zealous skiff]

ponder

[naive sonnet]

i'm not arguing that

i'm saying they're around equal in difficulty

[dreamy girder]

theyre fucking not

[trail silo]

Eyes without a faceeee

[naive sonnet]

unless i'm specifically doing rpantheons in which case nosk is a bigger run killer than gpz by a lot

[dreamy girder]

no single p5 runner, no matter the difficulty, gives a fuck about nosk

[zealous skiff]

because nosk isnt in p5

[dreamy girder]

oops.

well

wingedn osk

[twin raven]

Got most hollow knight abilities in 3 hours gng

[dreamy girder]

whatever

all the same to me

[twin raven]

I’m a fein

[naive sonnet]

winged nosk is a fucking joke

[pastel umbra]

lowk i hate collecter

[dreamy girder]

i messed up on purpose to test y'alls knowledge

im humble like that

[pastel umbra]

istg

[dreamy girder]

yes

only @zealous skiff was smart enough!!

[naive sonnet]

there is no problems there

i don't know why they nerfed nosk in p5

[zealous skiff]

do i get lollies

[dreamy girder]

you get the satisfaction of having publicly embarrassed me because i deadass forgot about winged nosk

[twin raven]

My friend beat p5 with the invincibility glitch 🫩

[dreamy girder]

nonexistent fucking vengefly king reskin

also sure, you do get lollies

if u wanna

[zealous skiff]

that isnt candy

i don't like being mean

[naive sonnet]

well maybe you disagree i don't get it but you are free to in my eyes massively overexaggerate the difficulty of the easiest dream fight

[spiral vault]

Meanie head

[dreamy girder]

gpz... easiest dream fight................

[carmine lava]

what if they deserve it

[naive sonnet]

obviously saying it's harder than nosk is not a massive overexaggeration but you implied it to be one of the hardest bosses in the game which is outright hilarious to me

[dreamy girder]

why would i deserve it wtf 😭

[zealous skiff]

just becuse you found gpz is easy doesn't mean 99% of the playerbase does

[dreamy girder]

i give two fucks what is outright hilarious to you

your opinion is shit

[spiral vault]

Trueeee

[zealous skiff]

like ok you have your one boss which you are uniquely good at surely you just acknowledge that isn't of using it as an excuse to peddle bs opinions you know are bad just to humblebrag like this

[zealous skiff]

does sunny deserve this?

[dreamy girder]

now thats a debate

probably honestly

[naive sonnet]

in that case can you explain why gpz is considered to be anything adjacent to hard

because i've yet to understand why

[dreamy girder]

@zealous skiff dont waste your tim

time*

this is ragebait i am somehow falling for

dont make the mistake i am making

[knotty ravine]

chomp quantum u two are here

is there any universe where sprintmaster is better than shamans

[carmine lava]

hi sonia

no

[spiral vault]

Me personally I find pure vessel easy so I think it should be in p1

[zealous skiff]

• fast attacks
• he can telegraph one attack and switch. People atp in the game are you used to "1 attack 1 dodge" so if they get faked out they might not react
• he can corner you
• he walks faster than you and so can just run into the player if they arent careful

[zealous skiff]

if you avoiud every spell in the game

[dreamy girder]

LOOOOL ok buddy. now THATS a bad take. we all know pure vessel is only easier than hornet 1

false knight is arguably much harder

[knotty ravine]

still disagree

[dreamy girder]

very arguably though

[vital tundra]

I didn’t save zote cuz I thought it he was hard but he’s so easy

[twin raven]

Playing a new run of HK knowing all the bosses attacks seem easy

[knotty ravine]

because you have to go into the sky and also better positioning + dashing makes it irrelevant

[vital tundra]

It is u can do a 112% steel soul first try

And in under 20h

Or so

[zealous skiff]

something better than nothing?

idk

[naive sonnet]

i guess
some of my focus on this probably stems from spite over pure vessel's difficulty being understated to insult me

[twin raven]

And I can just reset when I’m on 1 mask and do the fight again

[knotty ravine]

it's worthless

[twin raven]

That simple

[knotty ravine]

but well besides the point we all agree

[keen thorn]

not a chance

[lapis cypress]

How hard is nailsage sly?

[keen thorn]

unless shamans was under like 10%

[knotty ravine]

ss disc person posted a tierlist

[keen thorn]

sprintmaster just can't be better

[lime ruin]

https://youtu.be/tuG-pAcpjLU?si=r2oadT2MAIHUw41_ WHAT THE HELL THIS IS SO FUNNY

[knotty ravine]

it's

[dreamy girder]

so basically youre a butthurt little bitch who has to make up ragebait opinions to cover up your skill issue

i will not speak any further

[keen thorn]

you should not expect anything from ther

[dreamy girder]

because i do not wanna get warned

[carmine lava]

as a permanent old nail white spells player i think shaman is the best charm sorry

[dreamy girder]

for rulebreaking toxicity

or wtv

[keen thorn]

It's hk main at its fullest

[naive sonnet]

no i do fully believe gpz is really easy but i would be a lot less loud about if people stopped lying about pure vessel not being hard

[knotty ravine]

i just have to show it im not gonna say anything discuss.

dw i love onws

[twin raven]

For some reason I bought silksong just to not get into it for some reason

I’m used to HK

[dreamy girder]

them "lying" about pure vessel not being hard is their own subjective point of view about difficulty which you insist on forcing upon us

[twin raven]

Not ss

[dreamy girder]

also, you hate people insisting on their "lies" about difficulty

so you make up some of your own?

now thats logic

"do as i say not as i do" mf

embarrassing

[dense fjord]

Glowing womb higher than nailmasters glory.. dashmaster higher than quickslash.. i thimk im gonna throw up

[knotty ravine]

also it's ordered

[naive sonnet]

i didn't make up any opinions i just decided to be loud about my least popular one out of spite

[dreamy girder]

so again, you did something you hate when its done to you

basically youre a hypocrite

you come off as really immature

spiteful, which you have admitted

and most of all, embarrassing

truly embarrassing

[spiral vault]

https://tenor.com/view/golden-retriever-tennis-ball-mediator-gif-11017604489080322262

[dreamy girder]

only if i get a kiss

from a beautiful icecoldcherrylemonade

[ebon hamlet]

Literally im new and i was gonna talk bout myla how she the best but theres a fight

[naive sonnet]

yes difficulty is subjective but even you've gotta agree there are some difficulty opinions that are just silly

[spiral vault]

https://tenor.com/view/snoozie-deltarune-susie-sleeping-undertale-gif-7385889569755947155

[dreamy girder]

like yours

yes

i do agree

[dreamy girder]

SUSIEEEEEEEEE

jhehehehehwurtiweuhth

https://tenor.com/view/susie-deltarune-undertale-susie-laugh-gif-15394422188194829535

[ebon hamlet]

SUSIE WE LOVE SUSIE

[ebon hamlet]

Also love you kris pfp!

[dreamy girder]

heheheh kris is so cool

i love them

[naive sonnet]

i mean like putting pure vessel as anything other than #1 or #2

[naive sonnet]

kris is great

[dreamy girder]

now thats something we can agree on

[ebon hamlet]

Me too i really hope we dont have to fight susie in the future thou

[fallow grotto]

why’s this actually a good list

[ebon hamlet]

They are! A silly emo kris

[dreamy girder]

ok

shower time

buhbye

[ebon hamlet]

Byeeeee

[dreamy girder]

ill be back for more deltarune

[ebon hamlet]

[heavy barn]

wait how are hiveblood and fury detrimental

[naive sonnet]

wastes of space, i'd imagine

[ebon hamlet]

I think i made a huge mistake buying the one who broke after you die i use first try and now is broken

Is that badge gonna be useful in the future??

[knotty ravine]

girl idk go ask

[carmine lava]

how good do you think hiveblood is in godhome

[carmine lava]

are flukenest and fury detrimental because they're hard to use

[fallow grotto]

wait why is flukemarm on f tier 😳

that’s way too low

😳

[naive sonnet]

both of them seem like very strange things to use in godhome

and hiveblood is 4 notches

[subtle glacier]

wait why did someone put something i disagree with on a tier list

[fallow grotto]

fury is insanely good 😳

top 10 charms

100%

• it’s cheap

2 notches

[heavy barn]

not actively detrimental

[carmine lava]

4 notches for something basically useless, it's at most in the tier above detrimental

[heavy barn]

calling something detrimental just for using notches doesn't really make sense

you could argue everything except the meta is detrimental at that point

[subtle glacier]

set me free from the hell that is this server’s love of tier lists

[naive sonnet]

insane for something that will never come in handy unless you're speedrunning

[fallow grotto]

why else would you play godhome 🤔

[naive sonnet]

strength quick slash and either mark of pride or shaman stone leaves 2 so i guess but there are definitely better two charm options

[keen thorn]

That's why I do everything but meta tier lists

[knotty ravine]

not me

[naive sonnet]

i don't use spell twister but i imagine it's probably the best way to fit that 2 notch gap

[subtle glacier]

just don’t do tier lists

[keen thorn]

Hehe

[subtle glacier]

if i don’t make tier lists i can’t have bad opinions

thus i’m always right

[naive sonnet]

i use sharp shadow to fill the gap because i prefer to be able to avoid taking a lot of damage against watcher knights and oro + mato

[heavy barn]

so true

[keen thorn]

The best 2 notch gap is Steady Body

[cinder jackal]

festive explosion there genio

[fallow grotto]

don’t listen to this guy

[keen thorn]

and grubsong ig

[fallow grotto]

he has no idea what he’s talking about

[keen thorn]

It's really cool

[ebon hamlet]

I didnt know the sans looking badge was that good ima use more now thanks

[keen thorn]

what... no... it's not a good and bad tier list...

[naive sonnet]

from what i can gather steady body appeals to a particular type of skillset and is notable for causing arguments so i'm going to stay away from that one

[ebon hamlet]

Oh haha my bad twin

[verbal pasture]

Bro equipped half a king soul

[fallow grotto]

why is flukemarm at f

[naive sonnet]

grubsong's good though you can't really go wrong with it

[mighty flicker]

Bro for how long were you online

[fallow grotto]

absrad without steady:

[keen thorn]

If you couldn't notice with the half kingsoul

[fallow grotto]

😳

[keen thorn]

It's by asthetic

[mighty flicker]

Ragebait tierlost 😭

[keen thorn]

how cool I think it looks

[subtle glacier]

wdym

[naive sonnet]

i've done radabsrad twice and i've never even put on steady body

[fallow grotto]

well you’re doing it wrong.

[keen thorn]

ugly

[mighty flicker]

I saw you online like 9 hrs ago 😭 When I slept

[fallow grotto]

😔

[subtle glacier]

i got off work like 3 hours ago

idk

[naive sonnet]

i did change my charmset for it

[mighty flicker]

Oh shi

Bye now

[fallow grotto]

there’s beating radabsrad

then there is

wait what is the better thing for this 😳

[naive sonnet]

replaced sharp shadow with spell twister because absrad is the only fight where spell twister might actually have an effect on the way i play because i use spells so little that it just doesn't matter

[knotty ravine]

levi silksong is cool

[tired valve]

Can I get some help with the first hornet fight? using controller its easy, but difficult on mobile

[ebon hamlet]

The gurbson one is so pretty! Kinda creative too the looks

[fallow grotto]

is steady body the best charm in the game or no

answer honestly.

[dark tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/ip-grabber-ip-grabber-thanos-gif-21846609

[tired valve]

If you get used to not using it, you can use the charm slot better

[fallow grotto]

it’s one FUCKIGN notch.

the fuck you mean better?

[tired valve]

grubsong better

:)

[fallow grotto]

you don’t get hit unless you need to get hit purposefully

[naive sonnet]

i mean yeah grubsong is the only 1 notch charm i wouldn't mind using

[tired valve]

or switch from a 2 notch to a better 3 notch charm

[fallow grotto]

it’s not optimal to get hit like that 😔

[ebon hamlet]

How you playing on mobile thou? That sounds even more difficult

[tired valve]

Its aweful!

[fallow grotto]

mobile is pirated btw

[tired valve]

I'm a masochist, at 105% in hollow knight and wanted a different challenge

[fallow grotto]

let that sink in

😳

[heavy barn]

tier list of how much you can ragebait using with each charm's placement in a tier list

[cinder jackal]

shamans 🩵

[tired valve]

I bought hollow knight and silksong twice so is okay :)

[ebon hamlet]

Dang but if you actually end up completing the game youll be a legend

[fallow grotto]

ok this is wrong

Ngl

wrong.

[naive sonnet]

no

[fallow grotto]

I’m not asking you.

[naive sonnet]

the 4 good ones in no particular order are strength quick slash mark of pride shaman stone

[fallow grotto]

mop not that good 😭

just closer for more notices 😴

don’t need the range

[tired valve]

Great combo right here: unbreakable strength, quick nail, shaman stone, sharpshadow (or swap for soul catcher if you need more)

[fallow grotto]

mobile player don’t trust btw^

[tired valve]

This gets you through pantheon 5 great

[ebon hamlet]

Dude 😭

[tired valve]

Hey I only started playing mobile after I beat the game on puter

[naive sonnet]

i mean it's basically required for a nail build

[cinder jackal]

idt i should need to prove why shamans is good but how would steady body be better

[fallow grotto]

yes

[fallow grotto]

not why

[cinder jackal]

by saying it's the best you kinda imply that it's good on it's own as well as in combination with other charms

[fallow grotto]

then prove why steady body is better

[keen thorn]

quickslash strenght flukenest womb heavy blow fury and eater are amazing rage baiters what

[tired valve]

Although charm of pride makes the sly fight so much easier

[fallow grotto]

okay.

[naive sonnet]

if you're a nail player that doesn't use mark of pride what the fuck are you doing
if you're a spell player that doesn't use shaman stone what the fuck are you doing

[cinder jackal]

i am not proving your point for you sorry

[fallow grotto]

you got me there.

[cinder jackal]

especially considering it's just not quite there

[keen thorn]

Also i've never seen carefree rage bait

[fallow grotto]

this is your vision of a nail player

MOP

Does not make you a nail player.

[heavy barn]

they're so obviously in one place that any attempt to ragebait with them is immediately obvious

[fallow grotto]

it makes you weak.

makes you dependent

[keen thorn]

hmm

[fallow grotto]

that range isn’t good for you.

[heavy barn]

or finnicky enough that you don't really care about their placement anyways

[keen thorn]

womb and heavy blow with thorns

[naive sonnet]

i mean i suppose i've come to rely on mark of pride even more than the generally considered to be even more important strength and quick slash

[fallow grotto]

genio is a new player

[fallow grotto]

exactly

[heavy barn]

no one unironically thinks womb and heavy blow are good do they

[fallow grotto]

it makes new players dependent

[ebon hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

[fallow grotto]

try playing with the extra 3 notches

[ebon hamlet]

This is intresting seeing everyone argue like lawyers from hollow knight

[tired valve]

What hollow knight fight would you wanna see in 3d? like in a minecraft style game

[heavy barn]

people made hollow knight in minecraft and 3d hollow knight already

[tired valve]

no like... lets say I was making a 3d voxel game

[naive sonnet]

why would i waste three notches

[tired valve]

and I was using hollow knight and terraria bosses as inspiration for bosses in my game...
What boss would be cool?

[heavy barn]

oh

[naive sonnet]

also i have done every binding including all charms

i did p3 with both charm and shell bindings simultaneously

[fallow grotto]

Yk what’s better

original work

[naive sonnet]

not having mark of pride sucks but i can do it

[fallow grotto]

no reference e

ngl

references are for the weak

[heavy barn]

probably some of the faster bosses like hornet or simpler ones like false knight

[fallow grotto]

it’s not necessary

[tired valve]

doesnt exist in this day and age

[fallow grotto]

it’s a waste

[fallow grotto]

ur saying that like ur some 1000 year old sage 😱

[tired valve]

no

[naive sonnet]

by that logic literally every charm is a waste because none of them are necessary

[tired valve]

What was the last actual original work

[fallow grotto]

yes they are necessary

[tired valve]

that wasnt some kind of reference or sequal

[fallow grotto]

im talking ones that are a waste of notches

and don’t actually help

make you dependent

[keen thorn]

there are...

[fallow grotto]

you do realize there are examples I just don’t have them 😳

but think about it this way

something fresh and new for players to enjoy

new artwork

[heavy barn]

very subjective tier list ig

[fallow grotto]

new style

new game

that is what people want 😳

original work

[heavy barn]

if i saw gwomb or heavy blow in weird places i'd just assume it's ragebait

[naive sonnet]

i mean you can do the vast majority of content in the game without ever equipping a charm

[tired valve]

Oh im not doing the art XD just the worldbuilding and the code

[fallow grotto]

you can do everything in hk without using charms if your good enough

im just talking about ones that makes that faster

and or more specifically god home

[tired valve]

Wayward compass SSS tier

[naive sonnet]

no you do need to equip lifeblood heart and joni's blessing to get lifeblood core

[fallow grotto]

first playthrough a majority of charms are required

[naive sonnet]

so technically you can only get 111% charmless

[fallow grotto]

thats true

[tired valve]

Or you could go around the map and collect every lifeblood cocoon

[cinder jackal]

Clueless

[fallow grotto]

but that’s the only example.

• kingsoul btw

[naive sonnet]

maybe 110% i don't actually know if voidheart is a percent

[fallow grotto]

😳

[fallow grotto]

ACTUALLY WIAT NO

FUCKING LIFEBLOOD CACOONS

😂

gather all of them around the map

YOUR GOOD

[naive sonnet]

doing that is entirely unrealistic but i guess it's physically possible

[fallow grotto]

the only example is kingsoul for voidheart and true ending

[fallow grotto]

people have done that

and u don’t need all of them I don’t think

[tired valve]

Max possible health in the game is 57 masks btw

[naive sonnet]

my point being technically every charm is a waste because you can play the game fine without it

[fallow grotto]

and that’s not my point

your just saying that

but

[keen thorn]

A very lighthearted tier list on how much skill you need to properly use charms

[fallow grotto]

not necessarily a waste

if your trying to be

[keen thorn]

I need thoughts because I'm quite unsure

[fallow grotto]

FATSER

[naive sonnet]

mark of pride is one of the best charms in the game

[fallow grotto]

Or make things EASIER

[naive sonnet]

that should not be a debate

[fallow grotto]

then some charms are better

[fallow grotto]

this is wrong

[tired valve]

Shaman stone is the best ngl

[fallow grotto]

“grubsong is good in r5” ah

[keen thorn]

mop is actually really good in R5

Aside of R5 eh

mostly just qol

[naive sonnet]

i just really hate playing without mark of pride

[fringe coral]

yay

[cinder jackal]

all i can really think of is shamans in d cause of triple hits and stuff but no clue how much that affects godhome

[heavy barn]

i'd switch hiveblood and grubberfly's

also spore shroom is kinda skillful

[naive sonnet]

it is just straight up something you should probably have if you aren't super focused on spells

[heavy barn]

it just sucks so it's basically the same whether you use skill or not (cause 0=0)

[keen thorn]

well, that isn't really shamans moreso vs and ss themselves that are quite skillfull

[fringe coral]

:D

[dark tiger]

54

[keen thorn]

yeah I bumped that one

[fallow grotto]

all I have to say

genio

for once in your life

you are actually

[junior spindle]

ONTO P4

[cinder jackal]

fair but the size diff makes it viable

[ebon hamlet]

You finish the game??

[keen thorn]

yeah grubberfly I'm unsure. Hiveblood I put there because going 10 seconds without getting hit consistently is not easy

[fallow grotto]

HOLY SHIT FAVE REVEAL WTF

[cinder jackal]

can see why it'd stay in f though

[fringe coral]

pantheon 5

[keen thorn]

yeah true

[ebon hamlet]

Ohhh well congrats thou!!

[keen thorn]

I just mostly put it there for the fact you just get free damage for changing nothing

granted you use spells ofc

[cinder jackal]

yeah makes sense

if you assumed stuff like that i assume quickslash would be higher cause of turncancels

[keen thorn]

well...

that is true...

idk if I want to actually count turnarounds tho XD

It's not really that important for the charm to get most of its value

[cinder jackal]

yea that's probably pretty far past "properly use"

[keen thorn]

Because I'm considering two factors

[junior spindle]

my face is barley covered

[keen thorn]

How much they affect high skill gameplay

[cinder jackal]

there's a lot more to quickslash than just turncancels anyway

[keen thorn]

BUt also how much you'd need to change if you're new and want to use it decently enough

[heavy barn]

you should do a skill ceiling tier list

[naive sonnet]

i did r3
(cropped poorly to prove that this is in fact p3 because i did this on a different save file from the one i did r1 and r2 on)

[cinder jackal]

but a decent bit of it is part of base nail

[wispy willow]

Hello hk main

[keen thorn]

Quickslash you need to engage more with the boss

[fallow grotto]

best charms

are

[cinder jackal]

yea

[keen thorn]

yeah exactly

[fallow grotto]

fluke nest steady body strength and quickslash 😳

[wispy willow]

zvy :cathug:

[fallow grotto]

in no particular order

[cinder jackal]

hey mathy

[wispy willow]

hows life zvy?

[digital abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/nonchalant-don't-be-suspicious-upside-down-dog-teef-gif-15441589142212933823

[cinder jackal]

is this not just quickslash and dm at the very top

[wispy willow]

ojb, genio

[heavy barn]

the middle sounds interesting though

[digital abyss]

hi

[cinder jackal]

my life is exclusively ibaldur (horrible)

[naive sonnet]

i did r1 on a steel soul file initially because i did p1ab on my godseeker file which would make r1 unprovable
i went with r2 because i didn't care to change things up
then r3 i went back to godseeker mode because my steel soul save has zote dead and it feels kinda cheap to do r3 without one of its bosses

[cinder jackal]

outside that it's actually pretty nice

wbu

[keen thorn]

what is this

anyradcord?

[heavy barn]

also slightly insane take but isn't dreamshield kind of absurdly high skill ceiling

just for a negligible reward

[wispy willow]

oh yeah that sounds bad, do you enjoy it tho?

[cinder jackal]

I feel like it'd just be really obvious stuff

[keen thorn]

I'm also counting how much of that is reasonable

The reward is mid so why go through so much effort

[digital abyss]

@ suscat

[keen thorn]

If you want to use it well you'd still need to try and get enemies and projectiles into orbit

Suscat is suscat

[cinder jackal]

like fury, shamans, flukes and maybe baldur depending on the challenge

[keen thorn]

but like eh

[cinder jackal]

i'm thinking of vs route everyday

[keen thorn]

uff

[cinder jackal]

it's awful i'm so mindblocked

[digital abyss]

just get the 3x on vs route ?

[heavy barn]

?

[cinder jackal]

have had 4 wrable paces to den and 2 of them died to last devout one ended as 30:50 and the last died to thk

any% is a doomed category

[keen thorn]

Here you go

[cinder jackal]

is this the skill ceiling one

[digital abyss]

nmg is ss because narts are impossible to use

[cinder jackal]

why is thorns up there...

[heavy barn]

thorns skill ceiling?

[keen thorn]

super bareboness but yeah XD

Go hitless

like fury

[heavy barn]

pretty much what i expected ig

[dense fjord]

Wait put Deep focus in tier D

[cinder jackal]

oh facts

[dense fjord]

And Dreamweilder

[cinder jackal]

slug has a high skill ceiling

[heavy barn]

boundless purity got me addicted to deep focus

[dense fjord]

And Defenders crest

[keen thorn]

Tbf there is so much more than this but I can't be bothered blep

[dense fjord]

Wait chat

What if i make a boss tier list

And yall have to guess what im ranking them on

[heavy barn]

sure

[knotty ravine]

ily purity

[dense fjord]

Okay bet one sec

[knotty ravine]

but yea i really like df on purity its cool

[heavy barn]

i should really go back and beat it

[cinder jackal]

i think wielder nmg and sharp shadow have a noticeable difference depending on skill

[heavy barn]

i gave up after getting 6 final phase deaths in one session

[cinder jackal]

idk about any others i don't use them enough

[knotty ravine]

ahhh yikes

[cinder jackal]

i really wanna say shamans but 90% of it is in fact spells

[knotty ravine]

final is rough

[keen thorn]

I'll defend this saying tiers are logarithmic and the top tiers are so far up one order of magnitude can't catch up

[lofty pelican]

You know Markoth’s shield attack is bad when he literally says “Sorry” right before doing it

[keen thorn]

really?

intresting

[hard raft]

Why is nothing in D? Also where is Wayward Compass?

[glacial quarry]

Wrong channel

Mb

Sorry

[heavy barn]

i love punching bag attack

[hard raft]

WHY IS UNBREAKABLE STRENGTH IN F?

@keen thorn

[knotty ravine]

clear healing opportunities and boss giving less soul encourages df use

[heavy barn]

cause it's quite possibly the least skillful charm in game?

[digital abyss]

double ping

[heavy barn]

that's like

the most obvious F placement

[keen thorn]

There you go

[hard raft]

Oh wait this is a skill ceiling tier list

Not good in terms of use

[heavy barn]

yeah

[cinder jackal]

man i wish downdashes were easier to use optimally

[hard raft]

mb

[cinder jackal]

they look so cool

[keen thorn]

fr

[heavy barn]

dreamshield should be like 10^25 tbh

with tas-level gameplay

you could get the smallest use case out of it

[hard raft]

This is a skill ceiling tier list right?

[cinder jackal]

no it's a regular charm tier list

[digital abyss]

what is the skill of thorns

[cinder jackal]

what bosses does it actually work in well

[keen thorn]

fine

[cinder jackal]

kinda assuming it does one fury hit worth of damage

[keen thorn]

going hitless

[heavy barn]

maybe against some insane modded boss if you calculate your movements frame by frame and use frame perfect healing durations to block the right attacks at the right time

theoretically

[digital abyss]

just dodge the attacks man

[cinder jackal]

fortunately i don't believe this boss exists

[oak maple]

was bored of drawing the knight the same way every time so i tried a different art style

[digital abyss]

orbsolute

[cinder jackal]

but i see the vision*

[heavy barn]

yeah i had orbsolute in mind

[cinder jackal]

yeah the one orb block will help massively

[heavy barn]

but also you could just dodge the attacks instead if you had that much skill...

[digital abyss]

does it really go away after blocking a projectile?

[oak maple]

i actually really like drawing the knight like this i think i'm gonna keep it

[cinder jackal]

unlikely for most of them

it's a 50/50 on if it even blocks orbs

[digital abyss]

im pretty sure it does

[dense fjord]

Okay chat, guess what this tier list is based on

[digital abyss]

i think someone was talking in anyradcord about it being good for 1.0 or something

[dense fjord]

Okay no ones guessing, its a tier list on how good of friends id be with them

[carmine lava]

why isn't mmc in S

[ashen ginkgo]

hi quantifiable

[carmine lava]

hi

[mighty flicker]

Ill make mines

[ashen ginkgo]

Does rain world have clear progression at any point in the game

[dense fjord]

I felt like i was giving s’s out too easily, mmc is great because i love patting people and mossy would love pets, but thats really all tbh, its 4 different lil guys in one big guy and i feel like theyd have their own inside jokes and id be left out a bit

[fallow grotto]

yes

[ashen ginkgo]

wtf blocked user

answering my question

[carmine lava]

look at the funny yellow guy

[steel umbra]

what is mmc again

[carmine lava]

the overseer

[ashen ginkgo]

This is so sad

[carmine lava]

the overseer kinda guides you but i don't think it does an amazing job

[fallow grotto]

why did you block me

[carmine lava]

but there is technically an intended path to take

[fallow grotto]

😭

what did I do

everyone likes me…

[dense fjord]

Massive mossy

[fallow grotto]

I don’t even know this guy

[ashen ginkgo]

It shows you were certain stuff is but like
It seemed to me like it just disappeared whenever you got close

idk

[ashen ginkgo]

Probably a reason

[fallow grotto]

bro what.

[ashen ginkgo]

I don’t block a lot of people

[fallow grotto]

I never did anything wrong 😭

[carmine lava]

are you talking about the overseer?

[ashen ginkgo]

Ye
When you got close to it it seemed to move to a random spot is what I’m trying to say
So there wasn’t like
A clear direction it took you in

[carmine lava]

oh

yeah idk really

i didn't pay much attention to the overseer ever

i looked up a lot of stuff on my first playthrough

[dense fjord]

LMAO

Sorry idk why i said lmao tbh

I just wanted to

[fringe coral]

might be a stupid question but can you swing faster if you turn around to cancel the nail animation and then turn back?

[ashen ginkgo]

It shows you where vaults are
They’re called vaults right

[fringe coral]

or it on a seperate timer

[ashen ginkgo]

Yes but it’s hard

speedrunners use it

[silver spoke]

is it bad I did almost everything I could possibly do before getting seer percent

[ashen ginkgo]

Particularly on bosses

[fringe coral]

how precise is the timing

[carmine lava]

there's a rain world movement tech called a vault lol

[ashen ginkgo]

no clue

[silver spoke]

because I didnt fight white knight or soul tyrant until my last percent

[ashen ginkgo]

ok

[fallow grotto]

yes

[dense fjord]

As precise as a peacock sipping water from a snails shell on a hot winters day

[fallow grotto]

it’s not that bad 😔

[wide charm]

Hi grubling

[dense fjord]

(Idk what the fuck im on abt)

[fringe coral]

do any of you have any videos of the timing

i cant find any on yt maybe im searching the wrong keywords

[dense fjord]

Yeah but only on Saturdays sorry

Mb im being annoying for no reason

[fallow grotto]

suscat

😳

[wide charm]

I've recently just found out myself that swinging normally while jumping on radiance is more effective and does more damage

[fallow grotto]

I’ve recently found out that my name is sugeetam

[fringe coral]

mfs doing it on controller what the hell

[silver spoke]

does more damage but is much more risky because half of the attacks rely on where it is

[fallow grotto]

yes

[fallow grotto]

this is me irl

[twin raven]

How do I get more mask shards from sly

[fallow grotto]

get the key

crystal peaks

[twin raven]

Completely forgot where that is

[heavy barn]

so close to learning facedancing

[wide charm]

Shopkeeper's key

[fallow grotto]

radtiktik is actually crazy

#1 player ong