Thx again now to find the link yayyy
#speedrunning
dusk tendon
wintry iris
Hiii Does anyone have a LiveSplit preset for Silksong Any%? First time with this and I'm having a hard time setting it up lol
vagrant warren
Get it from hksplitmaker in pins
wintry iris
Get it from hksplitmaker in pins
I was just seeing that but I didn't know if it worked the same for Silksong, ty
deft ingot
I was just seeing that but I didn't know if it worked the same for Silksong, ty
There is a separate tab for silksong splits on that website
knotty vigil
ik this is random but for anyone who is a speedrunner for ss, can you show me how to set up livesplit?
i've been trying for a couple days now, and i think im making things harder for myself anyways
deft ingot
ik this is random but for anyone who is a speedrunner for ss, can you show me ho...
There is a video in the ss-resources channel in the speedrun discord on how to setup everything for speedrunning
The discord is in the top pinned comment
deft ingot
You will need to scroll up in the resources channel because the link isn’t pinned, but it’s still there
Message by someone named ~Ivy~
knotty vigil
i dont see resources
deft ingot
In the speedrun discord?
knotty vigil
lemme check
deft ingot
This is the message link for how to set up speedrunning #1365521442741026900 message
knotty vigil
could you tell me the name of the server?
i looked up speedrunning in the server list
deft ingot
What the heck is the command
mint mist
?tag pins
river axleBOT
knotty vigil
ah
i see now
thx a bunch
rq if youre still willing to say, is it in SS resources, because i don't see it
deft ingot
This is the message link for how to set up speedrunning https://discord.com/chan...
This message link is the exact message with the video
knotty vigil
omg youre awesome
deft ingot
You need to get the silksong role, which should be one of the options when you first join the server
knotty vigil
sorry you had to crutch my stupid self
deft ingot
No worries
knotty vigil
watching it now
deft ingot
The video has timestams for each different resource
atomic abyss
yes
potent plaza
would there be any possible skips you could do with the cursed bind from the cursed crest? It does fling you back a noticeable amount so I'm wondering if anyone has experimented with that at all
deft ingot
would there be any possible skips you could do with the cursed bind from the cur...
if you do find something, it would probably be more aimed for a randomizer kinda thing instead of a speedrun due to how out of the way the cursed bud is. It would be a cool find though
hidden sundial
There's likely a lot of possible stuff to do with that in rando
Due to the temporal nature of the curse none of it will be logical tho
waxen nimbus
guys is this good
weary root
yep!
viscid roost
do any of y’all have the og hollow knigjt geo route
glad orbit
Due to the temporal nature of the curse none of it will be logical tho
Unless you enable cursed crest as separate one from others
reef shard
hidden sundial
Unless you enable cursed crest as separate one from others
This doesn't sound bad honestly
pastel hull
Anybody have a map of the path to herrah through deepnest
static ermine
(Silksong spoilers)
Could this be useful? It’s recreatable too, at least in that spot, I’m gonna check other spots too
humble gulch
Quick question for the ss 2h achievement. If you die, does the time between your death and the bench get added or you can just die and the timer resets to the time you last benched?
formal bough
5h and death time counts
thorn jasper
if you die a lot to something you can revert to a previous restore point and reset the time sink
storm schooner
orchid oyster
is silksong speedrunning a thing yet
formal bough
yeah it very much is
cedar shadow
YAYYYYYY
i struggled at || Uumuu and got an extra nail upgrade || (my variation of the route a little)
soft nova
mint mist
timothee chalamet skip
latent pawn
is there a speedrun where we speedrun saying "silksong speedrun" huh huh cause i have the world record
fervent forge
is there a speedrun where we speedrun saying "silksong speedrun" huh huh cause i...
Nah, where its at is flea % trust
spring tide
New bug?
formal bough
lmao; not gonna get used in speedruns because it wouldn't be legal but lmao
hadn't seen this before
humble gulch
if you die a lot to something you can revert to a previous restore point and res...
How?
distant spoke
yeah it very much is
is the mist entirely ruled out now? i know it was the leading route for a while but afaik the most recent WRs all go through Last Judge
formal bough
I think a tas might potentially still go through the mist just because it can get the best rng every time with no checking, but that lets it save like 30+ seconds over rta players
it, admittedly, is still possible that mist barbed comes back
potent plaza
so idk if this is also the right channel for talking about challenge run stuff, but I'm wondering if it's possible to get harpoon without drifter cloak
vagrant warren
Here is fine, but there are more runners and updated resources in the pinned server
spring tide
Is this for khan or just 1 of the rooms?
Khan
grim adder
what does main menu storage even do
twilit valve
Yea
waxen nimbus
i got 2h 27m is that good?
twilit valve
Better than me
waxen nimbus
twilit valve
I been grinding for a 5 hour run for 110hours
I got 190 hours on my main save
And have put 110 hours into the speedrunner trophy
twilit valve
I got 190 hours on my main save
humble gulch
Do you need to do a special route to complete de game in 5h for the achievement or you can just yolo it?
twilit valve
Just yolo
All you need is to beat grandmother silk in under 5 hours
Doesn't matter how
humble gulch
Do the game check for mods?, I just want max nail from the start bc of second play through
twilit valve
Idk, I play on console
knotty vigil
from my experience it shouldn't
waxen nimbus
||Lost Lace|| fight is quite fun indeed, i rate it in top 5
wary thunder
i got 2h 27m is that good?
Thats my pb rn
latent pawn
how tf
hidden sundial
I'm kinda more surprised at the 312hs on Silksong lmao
thorn jasper
hard to say because we don't have leaderboards for individual boss fights, especially with restrictions like this
celest ember
So for speedrunning SS, would it be better to have vsync off or no?
If it matters I'm on a 144 hz monitor
steady lynx
We're, not really sure, some movement is faster at high framerate so it might be best to uncap, but it's such a minimal difference that it barely matters
pastel hull
does anyone have a good autosplit setup tutorial
thorn jasper
does anyone have a good autosplit setup tutorial
hk or ss?
either way the answer is to use hksplitmaker to generate splits (site in pins)
thorn jasper
hksplitmaker generates a splits file that you open with livesplit
and it has autosplits configured correctly
pastel hull
hksplitmaker generates a splits file that you open with livesplit
how do i downgrade
thorn jasper
downgrade what?
pastel hull
my game
thorn jasper
hk or ss?
pastel hull
hk
thorn jasper
hk
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLH-aXtMsmPYq8ZvwV9G7s3uIz_6AlIygz goes over speedrun set up for 1221 if that's your target patch
thorn jasper
you have to make sure you're comparing to game time but yes it'll set up the autosplitter which is also the load remover
thorn jasper
yes the game time is paused during loads
thorn jasper
right click -> open splits -> from file
lusty gorge
yall i just beat P.O.P
i hate it so much
i hate team cherry for adding it
10/10 review
5 stars
lol
pastel hull
does the timer start when i start the run
thorn jasper
does the timer start when i start the run
it should
pastel hull
chinese is fine in any% right
steady lynx
Yeah, it's probably optimal
pastel hull
how do i downpatch the game without it updating with steam
ruby bear
is getting needolin in 1 hour 15 minutes
rare barn
Are you allowed to skip Trobbio in any% no major glitches?
formal bough
it hasn't been ruled on
knotty vigil
isnt it getting patched soon
deft ingot
Probably will be major, also not many people would want to do that in a run due to how annoying the silk spear storage is
knotty vigil
its pretty hard to pull off right
deft ingot
Not only is it hard to pull off, you don’t know if you did it correctly until you get all the way down to the gate
knotty vigil
i dont even know what goes on in it lmao the video that showcases it doesnt even show it
its basically just "trust me it works"
deft ingot
From my understanding of it, you have to be hit by a moving hazard on a certain frame (maybe multiple?) of the silk spear activation sequence
formal bough
I mean there are 3 different ways to skip trobbio
The most recent one (warding bell) is by far the most reasonable imo
deft ingot
The rune rage one I could see being not major
deft ingot
The most recent one (warding bell) is by far the most reasonable imo
I don’t know this one then
I guess I should go look at it
formal bough
silk spear storage is 100% major, and rune rage and warding bell are both lever skip +'s
(and ngl lever skips probably should have been major imo it's just that they were on the last 1.2 version that lasted for over a year and it does make the game more interesting)
deft ingot
Yeah, warding bell doesn’t look nmg to me ngl
That feels very similar to the voltvessel wall breaks
knotty vigil
have you seen the infinite silk glitch
gonna get patched probably but that has to be major right
static umbra
i mean that glitch also seems to result in no clip and thats major for sure
formal bough
have you seen the infinite silk glitch
are you talking about the silk eater in gms? because that's obviously major on many fronts
invisible control and noclip being two off the top of my head
lusty sky
hey there, i have a question about silksong speed running catagories, mainly because i want to be sure which one to submit, but currently im using xbox app on pc, does it fall under xbox one or pc?
vagrant warren
PC
lusty sky
ok ok cool thank you
twilit valve
About to start speedrunning hollowknight, though I feel like im forgetting a few major splits
List just seems a little short
deft ingot
About to start speedrunning hollowknight, though I feel like im forgetting a few...
If you go to hksplitmaker it will make an entire list of autosplits for your live split
echo skiff
what's the average All grubs speedrun time
or fat daddy grub
whatever the speedrun is
twilit valve
If you go to hksplitmaker it will make an entire list of autosplits for your liv...
Life saver istg
echo skiff
About to start speedrunning hollowknight, though I feel like im forgetting a few...
what's C.O.T.
twilit valve
City of tears
echo skiff
oh lmao
mint mist
what's the average All grubs speedrun time
average?
the average of the submitted times on src are around like 1h05m or something by the looks of it
sleek hearth
https://youtu.be/ussJ_H_ivUQ?si=BNWWkGoHNcNo0aIj
how do you even manage to do this
unborn lion
does it mean anything that i accidentally did a scream skip for groal or are scream skips easy/common in silksong (ik there is a whole skip for groal)?
pastel hull
why is my fucking livesplit below the game
vagrant warren
because you haven't checked "always on top" and or are not playing in borderless windowed?
pastel hull
wheres always on top
vagrant warren
in the Livesplit settings somewhere
pastel hull
i found it
modest pine
About to start speedrunning hollowknight, though I feel like im forgetting a few...
any %?
sterile terrace
i need to ask, because i want to try and set up livesplit to time my running of silksong, autosplit does not want to work? i did everything as it was said in the video you can find on speedrun.com for it(for silksong) but it does not work
thorn jasper
i need to ask, because i want to try and set up livesplit to time my running of ...
in # ss-tech-support in the pinned server there's a pinned troubleshooting message. and that server will likely get you more help anyway
sterile terrace
thank you
static umbra
well u should first aim for hitless, if ur movement isnt like atrociously slow that should already cut quite a bit off ur time.
vapid moth
ok
grizzled thistle
ok i plan to complete hk under 10 hours i need to only kill hollow knight for it right?
thorn jasper
killing the hollow knight will roll credits and count for the achievement yes
queen oyster
guys im tryna speedrun pantheons im new to this
can someone help me out
i got the 112 save file
but like i cant deal tht much dmg
same charms
sleek hearth
but like i cant deal tht much dmg
you got pure nail?
queen oyster
yup
twilit valve
ok i plan to complete hk under 10 hours i need to only kill hollow knight for it...
Yea, unless your going for 112% then gl
grizzled thistle
Yea, unless your going for 112% then gl
i dont
dapper ibex
why is my fucking livesplit below the game
maybe hk is fullscreen
idk ive never used livesplit
ember talon
Is there a speedrunning discord specifically for silksong?
formal bough
pins, it's hk+ss
ember talon
Thanks 🙏
ember bluff
how do i get this speedrun thing?
knotty vigil
livesplit
humble ice
whats that one keystrokes view everyone uses
vagrant warren
It's an overlay, available in the pinned servee
near scarab
has anyone ran max act 1 percent yet?
vagrant warren
You might be a better answer in the speedrun server (in pins)
twilit valve
Any of yall know where I can find an optimized ss run of hollowknight, cause I cant find one
weary root
On speedrun.com/hollowknight if you click the little arrow on the right of the categories, it reveals a bunch of other categories including any% steel soul
waxen nimbus
is there a livesplit for ss?
drifting sentinel
whats your guy's fastest time
coarse orchid
1 hour 57 minutes and 13 seconds
coarse orchid
whats your guy's fastest time
How about you?
coarse orchid
Oh wow, thats insane
drifting sentinel
took me FOREVER
ik
it was super lucky
you know the skip to fog canyon with Cdash?
that saved me so much time lol
coarse orchid
Yeah. I know it’s easier to do on controller but my performance on controller, for hollow knight specifically is ass so I use key board.
Still can’t do the skip lol
drifting sentinel
yeah lol
it took me HOURS of practice even on controller'
and i like, memorized Beasts Den so that helped
coarse orchid
Nice
I have pretty much all of the map memorized, beast den included, but I still don’t entirely know royal water ways, kingdoms edge, or deep nest
coarse orchid
I absolutely HATE Deep nest and royal water ways
drifting sentinel
i agree whole heartedly
i was super annoyed but it helped me get that time so worth it
coarse orchid
Yeah. Since I can’t do the c dash skip, I always have to go out of my way to beat dung defender and get isma’s tear which takes so much time
coarse orchid
Honestly, I was surprised the run was as fast as it was. It was my first time coming back to hollow knight since Silk Song and I got lost a couple times and died to thk 4 times before beating him (he broke my fragile strength, which was annoying so I had to improvise)
Every run, I always get fragile strength and it just carries me
drifting sentinel
i hate when fragile streangth is broken. thats so real
coarse orchid
Biggest run killer for me is Watcher knights, tho I can never hate the fight, I just find it tough
remote ingot
bout to beat the 5th Pantheon! 44 hours in and I've reached Absolute Radiance's final phase. I'm on track to clear it by 50 hours. No mods, first playthrough, 104% completion. Any last tips for the climb? Wish me luck!
sleek hearth
bout to beat the 5th Pantheon! 44 hours in and I've reached Absolute Radiance's ...
did you beat it?
remote ingot
I’m near to
sleek hearth
nice
remote ingot
It’s good my time??)
sleek hearth
idk im like 60 hours deep and cant beat p4
sleek hearth
im doing that
but i just reached pure vessel
in the pantheon
and i got stressed
sleek hearth
i can dodge almost everything without sharp shadow and MoP is kind of a nerf if you learn to play without it
i use quick foocus so i can get of 2 heals instead of 1
and spell twister
🤤
whole nimbus
idk im like 60 hours deep and cant beat p4
I beat p4 first try
Pure vessel is so ez
Without practice
Use unbreakable strength shaman stone
Quickslash
And uh
Wayward compass
:3
First playthrough btw
whole nimbus
WAYWARD COMPASS BEST CHARM
sleek hearth
yh
violet jasper
How forgiving is the 5 hour timer for the speedrun achievments?
static umbra
Pretty forgiving (for both hk and ss since u didn’t say which game).
I would suggest going in with at least a rough idea of a route instead of going in completely blind
empty blaze
How forgiving is the 5 hour timer for the speedrun achievments?
Which game
violet jasper
Hollow knight
empty blaze
I actually got 5h on my first attempt in og hk
violet jasper
Pretty forgiving (for both hk and ss since u didn’t say which game).
Ah yeah i probably should have specified mb
empty blaze
Its very forgiving
violet jasper
Pausing the game pauses the timer right
empty blaze
Im not sure
violet jasper
I would suggest going in with at least a rough idea of a route instead of going ...
Yeah im using a glitchless guide since switch version has no useful tricks like pause drops
empty blaze
You need tips btw? I havent done that in a while but i have some stuff i remember
static umbra
Pausing the game pauses the timer right
Yes
violet jasper
You need tips btw? I havent done that in a while but i have some stuff i remembe...
They would be appreciated yeah
static umbra
Yeah im using a glitchless guide since switch version has no useful tricks like ...
For hk those really aren’t needed at all, in fact with a good enough route u can take many deaths and still be on pace (tho obviously u should avoid dying)
violet jasper
Yeah
empty blaze
If you dont know already quitting out to teleport to your bench is very useful
Get descending dark (the upgrade to the dive spell)
As soon as possible it is very good
And drop the chandelier for watcher knights to insta kill one of them
Thats pretty much all i remember
empty blaze
I really appreciate it!
🤝
violet jasper
Watcher knights sound like they're probably the hardest part of the run other than maybe deepnest ngl
static umbra
I would suggest one nail upgrade, shaman stone, ddark, and optionally 2 charm notches + spell twister
violet jasper
Yeah shaman stone is a must
empty blaze
I disagree with getting a nail upgrade spell build is the best option
And yeah shaman stone
static umbra
I don’t really see the harm in getting nail upgrade, it’s only 250 geo and still helps for damage
violet jasper
I might go for the nail upgrade for safety
Im pretty reliant on my nail at times and ive never fought bosses like watchers and thk without atleast coiled
Admittedly THK is not hard in the slightest but still
empty blaze
Like i said 5 hours is pretty forgiving so you can go and get an upgrade
violet jasper
Ye
empty blaze
So good luck
violet jasper
Thanks for the advice, both of you!
violet jasper
So good luck
Ye
lusty gorge
i can never get past watcher knights
i got a good soild like 1 hour to get to watchers
and i just keep on dieing
any tips
violet jasper
Go get descending dark
Its so good at dealing good damage to them
Make sure you grab shaman stone and spell twister if you arnt already btw
violet jasper
I did it btw!
knotty vigil
gg
wispy sequoia
Hi why when I am trying a speed run and I do the || act 2 terminus skip|| I have an infinite loadscreen when clicking the button to travel to the || terminus||
formal bough
Hi why when I am trying a speed run and I do the || act 2 terminus skip|| I have...
note that it's a major glitch, but I heard mention that you need to activate act 2 for it to work for some reason
wispy sequoia
I have activated it since a while
I am just trying to get it working to use it on my speed run save
I try 3 times and the 3 times I got it
Please
twilit valve
My stupid ahh found out a much easier way to do hha (at least for me). You can kill all the claw maidens before the arena which is what kept cooking me. I beat it in like 10 minutes after
I went for double jump before the arena and beat it with 5 masks and 1 nail upgrade
wispy sequoia
Hi can u help me ?
formal bough
LRT is the time livesplit gives you, RTA is the time from start to stop
(IGT is the time the game gives you, and it's not submitted to the leaderboard)
If you're not using livesplit, a verifier will retime the RTA to be accurate [and set the LRT equal to RTA] so you don't need to stress about being perfectly accurate for manual use
pliant beacon
LRT is the time livesplit gives you, RTA is the time from start to stop
Whats livesplit
I just got pop in 9.52 wich is the fastest in estonia since there arent any estonian runs if my eyes eyed correctly
formal bough
The timer we use, it allows for us to remove load times to make the time equal no matter how good their pc's are
pliant beacon
Oh
I forgot to use that
I will try it again tmrw and use it
I got 9.52 first try so second must be better right?
formal bough
surely
pliant beacon
Are mods allowed?
formal bough
no
pliant beacon
I used qol to do it again
formal bough
there is a minisavestate mod that is legal, but you'd have to have that mod and no other mods [not even the modding api]
pliant beacon
there is a minisavestate mod that is legal, but you'd have to have that mod and ...
Thx but i dont quite understand what the mod does
empty blaze
Yeah
pliant beacon
Damn
I did it in 62 hrs
No wait
62 is when i unlocked completion percent
I got completion in like 55
pliant beacon
Hollow knight 112% took me 72 hours lol
Wr is like 3
And on my steelsoul run it took 20
mint mist
elite stall balledge
viscid nexus
Ngl dirthmouth% should be official
waxen nimbus
And on my steelsoul run it took 20
mine took ~9
hidden sundial
Not with all glitches, and likely not allowed without
weary root
We'd still like to know what the glitch is!
kindred tiger
why did team cherry take 6 years to complete silksong I did it in a little over an hour!
(this was with act 2 skip which I have no idea the route legality of)
formal bough
room duping to skip act 2 is very much a major glitch lmao
kindred tiger
yeah I just checked the speedrun.com rules
there were way more violations in the run than just that but its more for me to brag about nothing than anything
formal bough
crazy to think that the wr is 10 minutes faster without major glitches
mint mist
true nebula moment
tight helm
hi there, I'd like to try competing but being pretty new to the game I think pantheon rooms are too much, what would you suggest? I was thinking about single bosses but it seems like that isn't a thing
hidden sundial
Well, there are lots of categories that don't involve pantheons or Godhome at all
So I'd say just picking a category you like more is a good start
fickle chasm
gg ill have world rec
pliant beacon
how do i add sectors to this?
sly summit
how to do that jump dash pogo thing that speedrunners do?
fickle chasm
how to do that jump dash pogo thing that speedrunners do?
you gotta do fast, mash both
mint mist
how do i add sectors to this?
you can make splits on hksplitmaker.com
the UI mode is very easy to understand
thorn jasper
you can make splits on hksplitmaker.com
plus there's a builtin for path of pain
pliant beacon
you can make splits on hksplitmaker.com
there isnt an option for just pop
pliant beacon
i found the custom thing and made on ethere
pliant beacon
yeah there is, it’s under Individual Level
where do i put this
pliant beacon
you open it
with what
mint mist
you should download livesplit first ig
pliant beacon
you should download livesplit first ig
i did
mint mist
open livesplit and try to open that lss file using the livesplit app
it’s been a while since i set it up for the first time so it’s possible i have no idea what im talking about
pliant beacon
also can i really not use qol for pop redo
pliant beacon
bruh then i have to do a whole new save and get to pop
mint mist
are you on pc?
mint mist
then just use debug and set a savestate
pliant beacon
then just use debug and set a savestate
how
mint mist
if you get lumafly you can go into the binds menu and set keybinds for setting and loading savestates
pliant beacon
but it still doesnt reopen pop
mint mist
it will if you set a savestate before beating pop
pliant beacon
so i do have to start a whole new run
mint mist
maybe but worst case new save, debug give yourself all skills all charms, benchwarp palace atrium bench
pliant beacon
maybe but worst case new save, debug give yourself all skills all charms, bench...
both my steelsoul and normal save have pop done
wait how do i do the second part
mint mist
ok so do you have debug and benchwarp installed?
mint mist
ok i’m short on time so im gonna recommend you go to the server in the pins and ask for help on setting up PoP speedrunning in the channel called “il-movement”
pliant beacon
okay thx
pliant beacon
ok i’m short on time so im gonna recommend you go to the server in the pins and ...
how do i see pins
mint mist
?tag pins
river axleBOT
pliant beacon
any run i submit will be my countrys best:)
steady lynx
@idle cypress
idle cypress
fate
idle cypress
pliant beacon
oh wow thats alot
i have like 4-500
bruh why does my livesplit refuse to work
it just doesnt have any segments
oh wait what
it suddenly works now
slate cliff
i have like 4-500
That's a big range
soft mural
We'd still like to know what the glitch is!
i found out its valid for wr so i cant share it!
pliant beacon
when does a pop speedrun end?
is it when u wake up at the start or before the cutscene
bcus i just got it in like 4.45 without the cutscene
4.40-4.55
sub 5 is all i care
but with waking up it was 5.11
pliant beacon
That's a big range
ik but theres no way for me to check i
slate cliff
ik but theres no way for me to check i
You don't get it
pliant beacon
You don't get it
wdym
pliant beacon
4-500 is a big range
yea i know
slate cliff
yea i know
Are you saying 4-500 or 400-500
pliant beacon
Are you saying 4-500 or 400-500
400-500
pliant beacon
i said 4-500 as in four-to five hunderd
pliant beacon
Ok so now do you get why I said that was a big range
u thought it was 4 to 500
tight helm
Well, there are lots of categories that don't involve pantheons or Godhome at al...
where can I see all the categories? those that are at least a bit hunted
vagrant warren
Speedrun.com has all the official categories. There's also a spreadsheet of all the unofficial meme categories somewhere
weary root
i found out its valid for wr so i cant share it!
Even without knowing what it is I can tell you it's not valid for No Major Glitches.
It would be valid for All Glitches though, but the WR for that is already 9 minutes so I don't think your glitch is helping there
On a side note: speedrunning is generally a very cooperative thing and strat hiding is frowned upon
twin narwhal
I made this map! it's probably not very useful for true speed runs, but for casual 100% 15-20 hour completions I think it will be highly useful!
weary root
Join the speedrunning server (link in the pins) and ask there
fair sonnet
thank you
rocky dragon
I made this map! it's probably not very useful for true speed runs, but for casu...
Bro did you make it in enchantment table language?
I couldve used it for my 100% steel soul
keen sage
this fucking boss is the wost like what the fuck
weary root
So true
queen valve
Is there going to be a 100% category
chrome cedar
is there a dedicated speedrunning discord for SS?
river axleBOT
knotty vigil
yeah!
weary root
Is there going to be a 100% category
Yes, it doesn't exist on src right now because it could be 100% or 100% all bosses. Based on what I've seen the 100% runners doing it's probably going to be the former
queen valve
silksong all achievements when
It would just be a steal soul 100% run with hunters memento and the herald
knotty vigil
hunters memento would actually be so ass
formal bough
the real thing you need to run is all lore and dialogue
alad% is a very real and reasonable category
knotty vigil
damn
formal bough
(I saw somebody[streamer] do it for hk and so it's fun thinking about what you'd need to do for silksong)
dawn junco
what's the mod you use for savestates?
tardy maple
||Did they patch the Beast Crest Skip to get to Seth in Act 2?||
mint mist
what's the mod you use for savestates?
hollow knight or silksong?
dawn junco
hollow knight or silksong?
Hollow knight
mint mist
debugmod
dawn junco
Ok thx
twin narwhal
Bro did you make it in enchantment table language?
Enchantment table language? From Minecraft? I made it using AutoCAD if that was a legit question
rocky dragon
Enchantment table language? From Minecraft? I made it using AutoCAD if that was ...
Screenshot from the image you sent
The symbols in the white boxes
This is lowk enchantment table language
weak palm
This is huge for TE speedrunners. good luck!
knotty vigil
they also nerfed thread storm a lot, which is like the one silk skill they use the most
twin narwhal
If you download the map to your phone, then zoom in, does it still look bad?
rocky dragon
If you download the map to your phone, then zoom in, does it still look bad?
Looks much better when i download it
twin narwhal
Looks much better when i download it
Awesome, thanks for clarifying.
I don't have a PC at home, so I wanted to make a standalone guide I can have while I play on the switch.
The picture should print well on 24" x 36" paper
rocky dragon
Awesome, thanks for clarifying.
I don't have a PC at home, so I wanted to make...
If you say so, i prolly wont print it tho
vapid fractal
i managed to beat game in 3h 24mins is it good?
twin narwhal
If you say so, i prolly wont print it tho
Haha, if anyone plays on their PC I wouldn't really expect them to print it
twin narwhal
That's one high resolution smile
static hare
I found a weird glitch while playing and I have no idea if it's been found or useful to the speedrun community, am I allowed to post it here?
https://imgur.com/gallery/tVRuLBq
This was the video to the glitch happening
wise harbor
they also nerfed thread storm a lot, which is like the one silk skill they use t...
How much did they nerf it by? I wish they went into actual damage numbers with the patch notes
formal bough
They just said it does less dmg based on what needle you have
(note that they actually nerfed lower needle levels more than higher needle levels)
formal bough
The multiplier dropped from 0.75x nail multiplier to 0.68x which would normally be equal across nail levels
However due to rounding n0 is impacted the most
And they also released it bugged where it does 1 damage per tick when extended
So as of this patch it does less damage than spear in most cases
But yeah for nail 0 base damage is down from 20 to 15, which is a 25% nerf
Nail 3 it goes from 65 to 60, a 7.7% nerf
near hare
Whats The best method for speedruning? Save and quit when dying or close applikation ( im on Ps5). I thinking of the 30h 100% achievment.
rocky dragon
That's one high resolution smile
Real
digital river
I didn't know where to post this but I just had to share it. I just started using this tool, does it have any other cool tricks like this?
or like combos on certain enemies?
Moreover I think I got a triple jump in this clip. May be worth checking out
formal bough
yep, triple jumps are a known major glitch
digital river
Thanks!
Is there only one possible timing? Do you know the frame window?
It's probably a frame perfect thing isn't it?
formal bough
I don't, no. It being a major glitch means idk how much it's been investigated (especially since it's not particularily useful)
digital river
really? I would guess it's because you input it early it doesn't give you much height
formal bough
I mean it's rare that it's actually a difference maker
like, it can be useful as part of a movement sequence to save a tiny bit, sure
but in terms of route defining?
digital river
would be cool to see speedrunners implement it when the meta evolves
formal bough
(it not being route defining means the meme people who investigate "hey what's literally possible" don't dive into it)
it's been deemed a major glitch so people won't be using it
digital river
that's quite surprising to me if it's not route defining
Honestly I've been holding of on watching speedruns so I can figure out some stuff myself. I can't wait to see what crazy stuff you people have come up with
karmic aurora
Hey
Whats the setup for foing the puzzle at the top of cogwork cores parkour? The one for the melody
karmic aurora
Thanks.
How did you find this so fast?😂
mint mist
bro i keep this shit on lock
i can go from my phone home screen to this image while a room loads
thick wolf
yo chat whats the wr for the fastest pure vessel speedkill
thick wolf
what difficulty?
ascendant ofc
thick wolf
ofc <:grubnote:1183360067672739901>
what in the actual fuck
i thought i was good for killing pure vessel in 16 seconds
mint mist
you are!
mint mist
well that’s on attuned, idk what ascended would be
i’ve only heard of him doing attuned or radiant but i see this video’s thumbnail
carmine anvil
how to beat Lost Lace in only 1 minute
https://youtu.be/GSx7dF1VpXU?si=EYuz0qHSVyR6fvKI
short goblet
can we get 100% speedrunners to play witch crest like this
volt filament shaman threadstorm is getting nerfed so maxed witch heal will be one of the strongest burst damages in the game
witch's dash attack deals 2x needle damage + gives 2 silk on default
with sawtooth circlet (which is mandatory for the run), youur pogo will p much always deal 2x damage, up to 3x damage if both sides hit
as a separate from witch crest, clawline into parry will pretty much always go off since your parry startup is during the clawline i-frames + parry buff will make it like on par with silkspear and im p sure if you activate parry early enough you can use it while youre half inside the boss so youll p much always land it
actually i should lowk just send this in the speedrunning discord
wheat sundial
Dang tried my first Hollow Knight speedrun got to dream nail but couldn't do the shade skip :(
did pretty good I think for my first speedrun
took me over an hour to set up tho XD
thin grove
is it possible to beat silksong withotu spending a single rosary
thin grove
ty for ur info
formal bough
(you do, unfortunately, have to earn rosaries for selling the music)
thin grove
oh yeah im fine with earning i just hate spending lmoa
sinful minnow
DID THEY ALREADY CREATED SPEEDRUN TO SILKSONG OR AM I CRAZY
formal bough
people speedrun silksong, yes?
hidden sundial
DID THEY ALREADY CREATED SPEEDRUN TO SILKSONG OR AM I CRAZY
On September 5th I'd say, yeah
Speedrunners are kinda fast
sinful minnow
Hows going the 100% glitchs enabled?
hidden sundial
I don't think any% spends any rosaries
It does if you go for Needle 2, otherwise no
hidden sundial
Hows going the 100% glitchs enabled?
9 minutes and something I think
sinful minnow
Dayum
They sre fast as hell
In some months it will be like seconds
The total 100percent glitch run
formal bough
like speedrunning 100% with glitches, or doing any% with all glitches?
nobody has done 100% all glitches, but yeah any% all glitches fast
dawn junco
which ones should i get
formal bough
For speedrunning? You can't have any mods (including modding api) unless you're doing a run on the modded leaderboard
and even then there's a specific list of mods you'd be allowed to use for the modded runs [modded runs being like kronk% where there's a mod to count the levers to make sure you got them all]
near hare
Is this good thing to do when you going for The 100% 30h achievment on PlayStation. Anybody try to use earlier checkpoibts when a boss is kicking your butt
static umbra
i mean i feel like the main use of using that feature for 100% 30hr acheivement is to just save time, like if u feel like u got stuck at a certain place or boss for way too long u could just revert ur save to delete all that time loss. another major use case i can see is if u want to revert back from act 3 to act 2, like if u started in act 3 and u realize that u didnt do smth in act 2 that would become significantly harder or overall waste time in act 3 then u could revert to do it in act 2
tho i will be completely honest, 30 hrs is insanely lenient
u dont really even need a set route, just pull up an online map of important stuff and try to grab whatever u can on the way. and u could honestly die dozens of times and still be completely fine
static umbra
i personally used debug mod and benchwarp but speedrunqol could also be useful, and ive also seen hktimer be used for individual room timings, so u can try and optimize specific room movements
static umbra
for debug mod u can also find prebuilt savestates in the pinned speedrunning server to easily be able to jump to specific points in whatever category u r practicing for
dawn junco
ok nvm i need to use something different for 1221
static umbra
?tag 1221
river axleBOT
Current 1221 Modding Resources
The Modding API is not allowed to be installed for most runs. This is used for practice purposes.
- HK Speedrun Community Discord: https://discord.gg/3JtHPsBjHD
- Video Guide 🎦
- [Basic Installation Instructions](#modding-discussion message)
- Resources Repo
Assembly Files
You can only use one of these
- Modding API: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835911691703156746/Assembly-CSharp.dll
- Modding API with Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1102778898430824559/Assembly-CSharp.dll
- MiniSaveStates: Github
- Note: MiniSaveStates is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for IL runs.
- Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1100137284667445408/Assembly-CSharp.dll
- Note: This Adjustable Screenshake is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for runs.
Common Mods for 1221
A ModdingApi must be installed to use these
- Debug: Github
- Benchwarp: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835455873212088360/Benchwarp.zip
- HKTimer: Github
edgy remnant
DID THEY ALREADY CREATED SPEEDRUN TO SILKSONG OR AM I CRAZY
i thas been for a good while
static umbra
yeah i already got the things downloaded but idk where to move them on mac
im not exactly sure how it works on 1221 since i dont run downpatched but i would imagine its smth like (1221 install path)/hollow_knight.app/Contents/Resources/Data/Managed
u would paste the assembly csharp dll into there then make a mods folder for any mod dlls
dawn junco
hollow_knight.app just launches the game
static umbra
go to that path directly
for example go to finder and do command shift g
and go to that path (make sure to replace 1221 install path with ur actual install path)
dawn junco
and go to that path (make sure to replace 1221 install path with ur actual insta...
yeah idk
static umbra
u dont know what?
dawn junco
i found the thing
dawn junco
hollow_knight.app just launches the game
but it still leads to this
static umbra
okay right click the app and click "show package contents"
dawn junco
ok i saw that
static umbra
what folders do u see?
dawn junco
do i copy the managed file
static umbra
u navigate to the managed file and drop the dll files into it
dawn junco
the dlls the way i got them?
static umbra
yea that should work
specifically the assembly csharp dll to replace the one inside it, then create a mods folder for the mods
karmic aurora
How do i do the beastfly pogo (btw, why is the nearest room transition so far away?)
dawn junco
latest patch mods will most likely not work on 1221
no i meant when im modding current patch using lumafly
dawn junco
ok should be done
it didnt work
static umbra
no i meant when im modding current patch using lumafly
lumafly will only affect ur latest patch install (i assume u have a latest patch install and a separate install for 1221)
dawn junco
lumafly will only affect ur latest patch install (i assume u have a latest patch...
ok thanks
static umbra
it didnt work
i assume u launched the game and didnt see the modding api? or what happened
dawn junco
i assume u launched the game and didnt see the modding api? or what happened
yeah i didnt see the api
static umbra
How do i do the beastfly pogo (btw, why is the nearest room transition so far aw...
by room transition u mean to reset the room to practice it? theres a breakable wall to the right of the beastfly
karmic aurora
by room transition u mean to reset the room to practice it? theres a breakable w...
Yes, thanks
static umbra
yeah i didnt see the api
not entirely sure why it wouldnt be working, u made sure u r launching ur modded 1221 install right?
static umbra
what data file? in theory these are all the steps u need for a modded 1221 file
if u still cant figure it out i would suggest asking in the hk tech support channel in the speedrun server
theres way more knowledgeable ppl there that actually know how to do this, especially since i dont even have a 1221 install and just basing this off of how i would manually install mods on a latest patch install
cedar shadow
yes any% nmg
And you wanna practice?
cedar shadow
but its on 1221
Yeah yeah
cedar shadow
Do you know the full route?
cedar shadow
Id recommend taking nail upgrade route like i did
dawn junco
how much is it
cedar shadow
the upgrade i meant
Ohh, 250 geo
You get a nail upgrade instead of going to watchers asap
dawn junco
ok
cedar shadow
Id say i basically got under 1 hour in my first attempt
dawn junco
so rn i just need help setting up for practicing a specific part on 1221
cedar shadow
so rn i just need help setting up for practicing a specific part on 1221
What part?
Id say just LP mods and debug
I used that to practice
dawn junco
Id say just LP mods and debug
ok yeah i was considering that too
so debug, benchwrap and speedrunqol right
cedar shadow
Yeahhh
dawn junco
ok thanks
dire wharf
hey yall, Im watching a fireborn video for setting up speedrunning and im confused as to where Im supposed to find a folder with a specific version in it
dire wharf
I forgot about local files lol nvm
sudden steeple
to start speedrunning, should i go for the vengful spirit route or the fury route?
dawn junco
to start speedrunning, should i go for the vengful spirit route or the fury rout...
Try an easier one first
sudden steeple
ok thx
sudden steeple
okay
sudden steeple
Like shade soul
whats the route for that
dawn junco
I made my own route
dawn junco
whats the route for that
Uhh idk
sudden steeple
I made my own route
can i see it?
dawn junco
whats the route for that
I tried it once and got 2 hours rta
dawn junco
can i see it?
sudden steeple
tysm
sudden steeple
is it rlly that much easier?
sudden steeple
i personally just use shade soul so i may just skip ddark?
shade soul more often i mean
dawn junco
https://youtu.be/s8nWa-xqJZs?si=FPa2rgRf3Pc4gty9
I don’t get shade soul here
But I’ll look for a video
sudden steeple
tysm ill try it out!
man idk if i have time to look at this vid rn ill just put in the splits and watch later
past mica
Is 13 hours 29 minutes good for 100% speedrun? (not 112% and this was my first try of doing it)
sudden steeple
@dawn junco I think these are good splits?
dawn junco
Yeah that’s ok
Are you able to do QGA
You should put chandelier before lurien
@sudden steeple
sudden steeple
Are you able to do QGA
yeah ive got the trick about it
dawn junco
yeah ive got the trick about it
You sure you can do it bc it’s quite hard
sudden steeple
There’s the crossroads one into fog canyon which is easy
right thats to teachers archives
sudden steeple
But QGA is harder
but satisfying!
sudden steeple
Not that I’ve done it before
the trick is making sure your hitbox is not peeking over the walls hitbox or else you slide off
dawn junco
I feel like taking the deepnest/spore shroom path is much easier
sudden steeple
its easier with hitboxes enabled
dawn junco
Ok uhh debug mod time tomorrow
sudden steeple
I feel like taking the deepnest/spore shroom path is much easier
probably but i want at least a bit of risk
sudden steeple
Ok uhh debug mod time tomorrow
yeah me too but rn its pretty late for me + i have school tomorrow so gn!
knotty vigil
This was something that I talked about a bit in #modding-discussion but I figured it’s worth it to ask here as well
What plans do verifyers have in identifying runs that intentionally or unintentionally have mods installed? Without the ModList thing they just don’t show up in the top left corner, I can imagine that if people try hard enough they’d make a cheating mod that would be hidden from the corner
Yes I know that debug has an integration with the modlist but there’s nothing stopping someone from making a version that works without it and using that to cheat
Like changing needle dmg enough to make the advantage unfair but not enough to make it obvious (5 dmg to 7 dmg or smth)
vagrant warren
(the 2 on nexus already don't have that requirement, and they're more likely to be found since they're somewhere other than discord)
knotty vigil
Where did those even come from, were they forked from Jamie’s or did they come up independently
vagrant warren
there's no credit given if they did
and the code isn't public as far as I can see (as if I'd be able to tell from that LOL) unless there's like a github link hdden somewhere I don't see
I know there have been other instances of Lumafly mods being posted uncredited to Nexus
so it's not unbelivable this could be the same sort of thing
knotty vigil
I’m sure if you analyzed it frame by frame you’d be able to find an instance where an enemy dies faster than it should but that would take a lot more effort than if it wasn’t there
vagrant warren
and they've got over 10k downloads combined so this stuff is WELL out there
knotty vigil
Yeah…
vagrant warren
both do appear to be using the modlist thing in the screenshots
but it's not listed as a dependency
so
knotty vigil
I don’t know if that was done out of malice but it could def be used for malicious purposes
somber sundial
Can someone help me speedrun
vagrant warren
If you have a specific question someone can probably answer it for you, but for speedrunning the biggest thing is just practice & no one can do that for you
knotty vigil
there's no credit given if they did
It looks like one of them credits the GitHub in the description but the other one doesn’t seem to (the one with more downloads)
Not accusing or anything ofc, just saying it could be case for concern if people go down that route
vagrant warren
the fact they put it in the description & not the literal spot specifically for credits is ... somehow unsurprising 
And they still list it as "created by" someone else (no Jamie)
So yeah, go ahead & accuse, it's shitty behavior
oh, I guess the githut linked is the one by the person they credit at least, nevermind on that.
But still, uploading someone else's stuff, seems sketchy to me.
knotty vigil
The one with more downloads came out the day the game dropped
It wasn’t even 6 hours old when it did
vagrant warren
Yeah I think some people were just racing to be first to do X
bitter jewel
Can someone help me speedrun
What category?
somber sundial
Just beating the game
bitter jewel
So any% sure I can walk you through the run if you want
Or what did you have in mind with "help" @somber sundial
mint mist
(teach them major glitches)
weary root
The one with more downloads came out the day the game dropped
Yeah this person is even in the speedrunning discord and was at some point (when it was still the only debug available) asked to make it obvious when it was installed and never did
somber sundial
Nothing just hopping on
bitter jewel
(teach them major glitches)
I didn't find any gif that could begin to express in how much denial I am
knotty vigil
Yeah this person is even in the speedrunning discord and was at some point (when...
Is there a definitive way to tell if something is modded even without the modlist
I just started modding yesterday so even if there was I haven’t used them long enough to notice
weary root
Is there a definitive way to tell if something is modded even without the modlis...
Nope
bitter jewel
@somber sundial check dms
knotty vigil
Rip
vagrant warren
Yeah this person is even in the speedrunning discord and was at some point (when...
That's so shitty, did they just ignore the request or straight up reject it?
knotty vigil
Only thing I can think of is to have a custom bepinex so that it shows it from there ig?
Cause all mods need bepinex to work right
vagrant warren
Well, custom bepin is what's eventually planned to my understanding
so that it's compatible with linux & s tuff
but that's ??? ways off
knotty vigil
I can’t imagine it there would be too many instances of people cheating, with enough frame by frame analysis I guess you could get some leads
But yeah it’s gonna be hard to find those that are really sneaky if they do that
weary root
That's so shitty, did they just ignore the request or straight up reject it?
Ignored
Also deleted all their messages when the hk debug port came out
Also their debug is notably not open source so getting multiple people to add to it would have been a nightmare
knotty vigil
Idea: make bepinex shorten the TC logo or game title by only a few pixels and use that as a measuring stick for runs
knotty vigil
True true
vagrant warren
Well, once there's the custom bepin I would think it could maybe made to have a message like the old modding API did? but even then there may be people using the non-custom version
frank pine
Was speedrunning and was doing pretty good and then came the mist and I got set back a lot and still haven’t made it through. Sad
hardy whale
As far as LRTs go what is there to remove in HK1? Considering that there is a 7 minute decrease on the world record between LRT and RTA? There are no load times in between areas and cutscenes are able to be skipped immediately
static umbra
Well each room transition is like a few seconds of load time and with how many rooms speedruns go through that can easily add to multiple minutes
knotty vigil
RTA varies widely between runners, yeah
hardy whale
Well each room transition is like a few seconds of load time and with how many r...
Is that the main thing thats taken out?
formal bough
Like changing needle dmg enough to make the advantage unfair but not enough to m...
Honestly, even something like that would be pretty obvious. Right now I usually damage count a boss just to make sure it adds up, but I think a 40% faster fight would absolutely get noticed without that
But yeah, I think the hope is that there'll be some like core mods which are dependencies for everything that make it obvious it's modded
formal bough
As far as LRTs go what is there to remove in HK1? Considering that there is a 7 ...
And yeah, the loads removed are the transitions between rooms and some time in the save and quits.
Just like in silksong. Silksong does have a good bit faster loads, and we decided to make the silksong timer pause less during the loads too [to make it closer to RTA]
knotty vigil
Honestly, even something like that would be pretty obvious. Right now I usually ...
on that topic, whats the main reason why modding api was banned for hk
i know it changes how the mouse behaves but what else does it do?
formal bough
I mean I see no reason why you'd allow modding api
knotty vigil
not like i would allow it but i recall people saying that it changed the way the game behaves, in what way
just curious
formal bough
but I know it impacts some cycles
vast ferry
trying to speedrun silksong. was hoping someone could answer this and save me a little time going back to a save and checking. is there a pattern i could write down for the puzzle at the top of cogworks? i keep doing it manually in my runs and i think i need to stop that for sub 1:30
i could always roll back a save but if anyone just knows the pattern off hand it'd be appreciated 
knotty vigil
vast ferry
probably LMAO
well tyvm this is even better than i expected
that's the number of hits right
knotty vigil
yeah
vast ferry
sick
formal bough
im sure its pinned somewhere in the pinned server though
It's easily accessible through the ;puzzle command, idk if it's pinned anywhere
oh, found a plain text version of it (so not the image) pinned
knotty vigil
i see
sage willow
i did the speedrun achievement and beat the game in like 4 hours so im obviously pro speedrunner 🥹
im like 99% sure ppl are beating silksong in like under an hour 😭
static umbra
yep they are
sage willow
how does one do that
like the best time I have so far is like 2 hours and 30 mins
i am lowkey unskilled at video game so that's probably a reason im buns
formal bough
I mean I know most of my timeloss when I'm learning a category is deaths
formal bough
(like, my first low te run was 12 hours. I lost 1 hour to bad movement, and 5.5 hours to dying)
formal bough
maybe my route is just ass 💔
that's also possible tbf, like any% gets only the essentials I can imagine going to pick up like wings or something might slow down a bunch
sage willow
i probably lose a lot of time because i get wanderer crest cuz im buns with hunter and get fractured mask and curveclaw
it's literally just a skill issue on my part 💔 i need fractured mask and curveclaw for hhg
i don't get wings in my route
i try to do the most basic route possible while accounting for the fact im bad at the game 🥀
vast ferry
Im running this route
No idea how old it is so theres probably some improvement that can be made
But my pb is 1:51:52 rn with 1:35 sum of best. Pretty sure the difference is just deaths
formal bough
okay that looks like a bog standard nail 2 float mist route
formal bough
I mean nail 1 is faster than nail 2 and judge route is faster than mist route
formal bough
(though mist barbed is maybe in contention with judge?)
static umbra
i mean u dont necessarily need the fastest route for 5 hr, just smth that is relatively comfy. tool pickups with crafting kit and / or tool pouch upgrades are all reasonable to obtain if only aiming for 5 hr
sage willow
Is judge faster wtf i thought mists was faster
bells route is faster i believe
vast ferry
Shit
sage willow
i don't have like a whole ass diagram of my route i just have it memorized and pray it works 💔
vast ferry
I remember it now but i had the map for learning
formal bough
but also like, faster on the order of 1 minute [50 seconds, and also only that if you do some hard skips in blasted steps]
so if you know the mist route and like the mist route,do it
sage willow
the only skip i can really do is the sister splinter skip cuz its easy
vast ferry
I want to aim for sub 90min tbh so ill do whatevers faster ig
vast ferry
I could probably do nail 1. Ive been babying myself through HHA
vast ferry
the only skip i can really do is the sister splinter skip cuz its easy
Are you able to do the beastfly pogo to shakra in marrow? Or triple pogo to skip the sinners room?
sage willow
I can't do high halls arena without getting wanderer crest, fractured mask, and threadstorm 😭 i want to be a speedrunner but im bad at the game
vast ferry
Just keep playing tbh youll get better
sage willow
Are you able to do the beastfly pogo to shakra in marrow? Or triple pogo to skip...
i have no clue what tha second one is and I haven't even tried beastfly pogo in any runs lmao
vast ferry
i have no clue what tha second one is and I haven't even tried beastfly pogo in ...
You can triple pogo a spike thrower dude in the room with the green prince. It lets you skip the entire room to the right. Near the start of sinners
static umbra
I can't do high halls arena without getting wanderer crest, fractured mask, and ...
fyi thread storm got a huge damage nerf on the most recent patch, it has comparable damage to silk spear now, and the extension is also just so garbage now
sage willow
You can triple pogo a spike thrower dude in the room with the green prince. It l...
oh timothee chalemet skip
cuz the enemy says chalamet
vast ferry
I couldnt think of the name but yes
sage willow
i usually do bells route
vast ferry
I do that wrong and end up pogoing right side
Yeah i mean i might start learning bells at this point. Not like i even use counter from phantom
I swap it for spear when i get in
sage willow
lmao
sage willow
fyi thread storm got a huge damage nerf on the most recent patch, it has compara...
damn 😔
vast ferry
Just thought mists was faster. I wouldnt hate not having to run through mists though its a little bit of a pain
Both routes become identical once you reach cog dancers though right
sage willow
for me i just feel like last judge is a lot easier and faster for me to beat
sage willow
Both routes become identical once you reach cog dancers though right
i believe so
static umbra
for the optimal bells routes ull also need to learn an enemy pogo skip in greymoor and some skips in blasted steps
vast ferry
Id like to eventually get sub hour but idk how realistic that actually is LOL i dont have a ton of speedrunning exp. I have a 52min pb in hk so its not like silksong will be that easy
sage willow
my route at the very least after dancers is to go down into core, go from there to vaults, fight trobbio and get vault melody, then get clawline, then do cog core parkour and puzzle for architect melody, and then go through high halls and do the arena
vast ferry
for the optimal bells routes ull also need to learn an enemy pogo skip in greymo...
Any harder than the other routes skips?
sage willow
I have no clue what route is even the best i just go off of random tiktoks and my own horrible logic
vast ferry
I should just watch a record vid and draw the map myself at this point >_>
static umbra
Any harder than the other routes skips?
i havent really ran mist so i couldnt tell u. but i would say that the enemy pogo in greymoor is like really finicky, im personally really bad at it so rn im just taking the L and doing the craw lake arena (which is slow, thats why i do want to actually fully learn the pogo at some point)
vast ferry
OH do you pogo that flying rat on the left side
Is that what it is
Then wall jump off some curve?
static umbra
this is a vid of someone doing it many times in a row: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hibwxlf2EL4
vast ferry
Might have seen it in a te run
Ah hell no
Not what i was thinking of but yeah thats harder than mists
Reminds me of epogo
In fungal wastes
static umbra
interesting analogy i suppose, ig there are two pogos in both
vast ferry
And too far to either side bricks the skip
I assume i can line up with a blade of grass or something hopefully idk
static umbra
yea there are visual cues, and also different things u have to do based on what the first craw does.
and also there are different variations of this skip, u dont have to do exactly what is shown in this vid
vast ferry
Oh alright
This is probably better than my mists at least since i play stupidly safe and the mists take like 6min for me
9*
Wow
Probably half that for my best time but i died there in my pb
static umbra
yea i would say that bells route is a lot more consistent than mist route imo, simply due to not having to do mist
vast ferry
Understandable
Chinese saves a couple minutes as well right? I should make another install for that next run(s)
static umbra
chinese does save a ton of time, but why would u need a separate install of the game?
vast ferry
I want to eventually play with mods and just dont want to deal with mods and english then having to turn off mods/swap to chinese for runs ig
And eventually i imagine we'll have an "optimal patch" anyway
If we dont already
static umbra
oh yea having an unmodded and modded as separate installs i would definitely recommend
vast ferry
I dont have mods at all yet because i couldnt be bothered. I think its time though
static umbra
debug mod is really good for practice, its honestly all u really need
static umbra
ill just put the link for the debug mod here if u need it https://github.com/hk-speedrunning/Silksong.DebugMod
