speedrunning

[onyx rapids]

can send you an invite to it if you're not in

actually maybe I can send it here

[formal bough]

The boards haven't been opened yet, so they're definitely not there right now

But they'll assuredly exist once they open

[onyx rapids]

I cannot

it's called the HK Speedrun and Racing Community if you wanna look for it

main server for anything Hk/Ss speedruning related, you can find the route the skips the everything

personally I like to just follow a speedrun and try to match their pace and copy their pathing and skips

[turbid oxide]

ah, thank you!

[formal bough]

it's the first pin

[thorny slate]

so im trying to do this skip i found called slopeball on most recent patch and it seems that it wouldnt be possible to pogo fast enough, does this work in current patch or am i wasting my time

[vagrant warren]

it does, you'll find tutorials for it in the pinned server. Capping your FPS also helps

[kindred warren]

why does hks livesplit say there's no autosplitter

[quasi spruce]

had this happen to me earlier, not sure if anything else like this has happened but just thought id drop it, footage from late game

[limber echo]

how early can you get thrown in jail? Cause I just saw someone get kidnapped before even going to blasted steps?

[weary root]

You need claw (and dash maybe?) And then a jailer will spawn in a room that I believe is in deep docks, but it's right next to both hunters march and far fields

[limber echo]

just wondering how viable it is instead of doing mist

[formal bough]

just claw

[formal bough]

there's a one way gate

you can't access the citadel from the slab

[weary root]

Not

[formal bough]

you can only access the slab from the citadel

[weary root]

Yrah

[limber echo]

ah ok

[hidden sundial]

Yeah it's one way or would've been my way in

[lone crow]

pretty good first try i would say

by the way, is double jump required to beat the game?

[formal bough]

It's not required for any% no

[lone crow]

oh then that was a giant waste of time

[hidden sundial]

It loses time, yes, but also makes Cogwork Core completely free

Found myself struggling quite a bit when doing it wingless

[steep raft]

surprised there's no discussion in here yet about Silksong ||--- abyss climb ---|| IL. I saw it come up a handful of times in speedrun streams
maybe it's too simple?

[left canopy]

giggity

[dense ether]

Shaw

[tired barn]

Hey, I don't know if this is replicable or if it works in others spikes, but apparently spike jump is possible (???) And this could probably be useful in speedruns (???)
https://www.twitch.tv/gh_4444/clip/LachrymoseBlitheOrcaCeilingCat-Oba8hAR7CCwl1YjJ

[quasi spruce]

i posted a clip a little earlier of the same thing in a different spot, i wonder how replicable it is

[wooden grotto]

Not sure if this is the correct place to ask but in Silksong, how many frames is the input buffer? Is it the same length as HK?

[steady oak]

Time to get sub 2 now??

30 minutes cut from my previous run

not even doing skips

time to practice xd

[restive wasp]

Working on the full video, this is the screenshot proof, I get it's not a WR or anything but like WOOO WEEEE that was fun!

[lyric leaf]

||Lost Lace|| in 1:13
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJUqXEwvyQM||

[restive wasp]

kay video is doing that whole exporting thing, will start upload after a sleep.

[granite junco]

it's not really a speedrun, but i'm not sure where else to post a no hit on the final boss
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiuYwq5E5Jw||

[wind grove]

shaman crest is so cool

[latent pawn]

How

[sour violet]

Still don't know if anyone cares about this stuff, but I developed the Sawtooth Circlet double jump cancel tech further. With ANY crest you can interleave Sawtooth Circlet attacks in a way that will hit low to the ground.

In the first video, I jump+attack to jump and then attack at the same time to do a rising aerial, then jump+down+dash to activate SC and fall to the ground, then I start another jump+attack and repeat. The fall is so fast in the first video that it looks like the SC is starting on the way up, but if you do another jump+attack immediately, the SC attack of course follows with you. This combo would be used when you stagger any boss on the ground. Notice how the Hunter crest attack speed remains the same, it's just adding SC attacks in between each of them.

The second video has a typical air dash attack approach, with the SC attack added in by doing jump jump+dash attack but since it's a falling aerial the rhythm is different if you want to continue optimally. This time, while the attack is cooling down, you jump and then jump+down+dash and attack after you hit the ground and release down, then repeat. You can do 1-2 reps of this whenever there's an opening and they're an instant air dash distance away. And you can do something similar just dropping down next to them from high above, the active frames of the SC attack is enough that the jump+down+dash sweeps in a column downward to the ground where you can hit a falling aerial and then loop from there in the same way. Much better than pogoing.

[final shoal]

yoo heard some tech was discovered (animatyion cancel clawline by a backslash into nail hit)

[rugged roost]

does anyone have any tips for the QGA skip? i REALLY cant do it :/

[sour violet]

don't know what you mean
you can already cancel the popup with double jump tap or down-dash

[final shoal]

Idk just saw it somewhere

[sour violet]

oh you mean back dash? you know you wrote "backslash into nail hit" and that makes no sense right?

[ashen crypt]

Best pace I've gotten

Sadly I died to mist... 3 times

[split valve]

yay went from 1h26 to 1h18

[coral stratus]

Is there a really good nailed down 100% route yet? Or do I need to be more patient for that

[lone crow]

do you guys have any tips on how to do the fourth chorus skip?

[lyric leaf]

My loadout is in the comments

[sudden hearth]

what is the current world record true ending for silksong

[thorn jasper]

4:20:20 https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV12FnazNEZf/

[hidden sundial]

nice

[still yew]

so I just realized that bosses don’t count toward completion% in silksong so I want to run a sort of 100% all bosses, looking forward to routing :3

[coral loom]

You guys know if silkthread and shaman crest got nerfed cuz theres been some ppl saying they were changed

and we indeed are in a new patch 1.0.28714 and we havent recieved news abt it at all

[teal wharf]

Has anyone figured out exactly what the requirements for act 3 are. I've seen speed runners do roach guts on a true ending run, but I never did it and got the silk and soul quest. I had all of the board quests for a while and wasn't able to get the silk and soul quest. Then after I fought Lace, the quest became available for me

so I figure its some soft locked quests and completion

[formal bough]

There's a list of mandatory quests, a list of mandatory world states, and you need 17 optional quest points

[teal wharf]

Oh gotcha. Thanks

[quick condor]

i sometimes saw speedrunner do a downpogo into an instant normal attack was i tweekin or does anyone know how do perform it?

[teal wharf]

Is it the lace tech? I know people have been harpooning down shifting into normal attack

[quick condor]

im not sure maybe i remember it wrong

[mint mist]

not instant, but there’s a shorter cooldown after pogo

you see it a lot in the first split

you might’ve seen the dash attack into a midair tho

[teal wharf]

yeah hornet dash attacks starts like a combo sequence if you normal attack

[quick condor]

yeah right... shorter cooldown, but is it possible to cancle the jumo after the pogo?

[teal wharf]

my guess is down dashing is the fastest way

[quick condor]

whats the lace tech?

harpune into normal?

[teal wharf]

harpoon, down dash, normal auto, repeat

you can weave in a ton of damage with it

[quick condor]

ah kk

[mint mist]

if you have a clip that would probably help explain it

[quick condor]

i honestly think i saw the dash into normal and mistook it for a downslash

mb

ok nvm tf he doin

https://youtu.be/dmnUZHJ2jHo?t=1151

im to dumb to make a clip

hes hittin twice right?

[mint mist]

that’s a pogo —> dash —> hit

so it’s the same concept as the cooldown being shorter after a pogo, but they cancel the height gain with a dash immediately after

[quick condor]

ohh ty

[amber cradle]

yo can someone send me a hk speedrunning server request, i can't join it by a link

[thorn jasper]

why can't you use the pinned link, that's the only invite

on mobile there's a button you can press

[amber cradle]

it asks for my email and if i type it, it sais that it is already rejestrated

tf

says*

[long raptor]

anyone have the link to nebulas wr?

[mint mist]

which one 😭

[long raptor]

the sub hr

[mint mist]

112 apb?

[long raptor]

wait is there a seperate channel for SS speedrunnin?

[mint mist]

https://youtu.be/Gk-lmu7DT5I?si=ijTVmEW0JKuvvU8a

didn’t know this happened lol

[long raptor]

insane they beat sub hr and 59 at the same time

[mint mist]

it’s nebula

if you’ve been into hk speedrunning anytime recently you know

[long raptor]

i was a while ago but havent kept up since 2023

[sullen yacht]

congrats to nebula! ive been checking youtube for the sub hour so this will be fun to watch

[long raptor]

i wonder if well get sub 55 with the new routes theyre practicing

[vagrant warren]

In the speedrun server (in pins) everything is separated

[long raptor]

i guess thats probably many weeks away

[long raptor]

good to know ill join that

[ancient carbon]

Is there a specific forum that exists where I can submit a skip for silksong?

[vagrant warren]

In the speedrun server silksong resources probably

[restive wasp]

ngl I wonder if a TAS will ever be possible, I know some fights have like the same patterns for the first few attacks (Moss Mother, Cogwork Dancers) but other fights like Troobio would be more difficult to get a consistant

[mint mist]

https://youtu.be/iOPwkHL_fWE?si=bQSLw0Lj6nwi45V9

if that answers your question

also rng manip is a thing in silksong surely

[formal bough]

I mean I know somebody whose tas is already in act 2

(jarlyk)

[olive cliff]

I have a question about speed running, does it mean my speed run is ruined if I accidentally went of course?

[thorn jasper]

no, you can just get back on course and finish the run

[olive cliff]

Thank you! Tbh I actually thought I was cooked for a second

[sour violet]

not even the TASers know about Sawtooth Circlet 😂

pretty sure you could get more out of that than volt filament here

or the flea tool

I counted at least 10 spots he could squeeze in SCAs

[hushed cipher]

idk if this would help with any speedrun but maybe has more uses, the only glitch ive encountered is very weird and partiucular i clawline or dashed (idr what input) as a barnacle ate me in the putrified ducts and it lauched me down really fast like a bullet, tho ur character model still has to go through the animation of being eaten
it was almost like i got teleported? me moving from being eaten to where i was after was basically instant so idk

[balmy belfry]

does anyone know what i did? looks like jumpless walljump as in wallclimb but faster
looks like i started the jump before touching the wall? is there wall cling storage or smt?

[stiff pelican]

go from dash jump to cancelling the roll to

wall jumping off of air??

and then just random turnaround for one frame

😭

[exotic oracle]

https://www.tiktok.com/@aurajins/video/7547617967626882334?lang=en just stumble upon this video on tiktok as anyone else find something like that and could it be in any way useable or would it just be considered a major glitch ? currently trying to replicate it but it seems to be frame perfect i need to do more testing on this

[formal bough]

that's a major glitch yeah

[exotic oracle]

yeah make sense

could be used in all glitch I guess

[fresh venture]

Anyone know where u download the app to do speedruns?

to check ur time

[radiant pasture]

There's a section on speedrun.com that provides guidance iirc

[fresh venture]

ty

[fresh kite]

[lone crow]

nice

first run too, that's amazing

[fresh kite]

Tyty

[fresh kite]

New fear unlocked, tool assisted spiders

[snow umbra]

Anyone know what current wr is? Can't find it on yt

[steady lynx]

You didn't say which game, so the current world record for Celeste any% is 24:51.495

[weary root]

Hollow knights any% wr is 4m29s

[steady lynx]

Silksong's is 11:22

[cedar shadow]

i was on a good pace, but fell at distant village what cost me 4 minutes

still 49:14 but very dissapointed

[silver sphinx]

hi all, I was wondering if there is a route for the 100% silksong speedrun already. would appreciate if anyone would tell me if there is one, thanks!

[vagrant warren]

for updated silksong speedrun resources join the server in pins

[silver sphinx]

thank you 🙏

[dusk vector]

At last

[latent pawn]

what is the wr for ss any%?

[vagrant warren]

was 58:xx as of yesterday morning but who knows if it's gone down by now, probably join the pinned server for up to date resources & info

[dusk vector]

How..

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't needed thanks. Click on pins, then click on the invite.

[thorn jasper]

https://youtu.be/Gk-lmu7DT5I

[dusk vector]

a

Im dum

I thought it meant 100% completion

[wintry lion]

#sk-discussion-2 isn't picking up on this so it's probably more relevant here:

is the minimum bosses% run at 6 bosses or can I not count? Moss Mother, Widow, Cogwork Dancers, Trobbio, Lace 2 and GMS, right?

im not sure how do get sprint/dash because i don't remember entrances to deep docks that aren't gated by bell beast and same goes for far fields and Lace 1

but it would be quite an interesting route given that you need to do mount fay without clawline in act 1

[wintry lion]

oh I just realized that for this route you need to do bell beast because otherwise you won't be able to exit slab, so then it's 7 total

[shrewd wyvern]

can someeone help me with getting the timer with auto spliting

[weary root]

You could also just substitute phantom in for bell beast

You can get dash from going down from bellhart

[formal bough]

if you're skipping phantom/las judge you're not doing widow

you're doing bell beast as a substitute for widow + LJ/P

[weary root]

Oh true no widow lol

[weary root]

Anyway you can get float after talking to lace up at either the entrance to sinners road or blasted steps, cause that removes her from docks

[shrewd wyvern]

where tp get a speedrun timer?

[weary root]

Technically you only need to enter the room actually

[shrewd wyvern]

please someone

[weary root]

Join the speedrunning server and ask in welcome

[shrewd wyvern]

oh what is the server called

[weary root]

Link in the pins ^

[shrewd wyvern]

umm sorry where are the pins

[wintry lion]

but to skip LJ/Phantom you need double jump to enter from wisp thicket and to get double jump you need to play Needolin on top of Mount Fay so Widow is mandatory no matter what, no?

not to mention the melody parts

[weary root]

?pins

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1039743031043178606/pins2.png?ex=65b083a8&is=659e0ea8&hm=99e49a3bf5bf82b5411cfab9c1b9b6163246c36233a3d1ff982e4c5dbcc2cb4c&

[weary root]

You need needolin for sharpdart, but you can get to the top of mount fay without it

And at the top you enter the cutscene and hornet just pulls out the needolin lol

[wintry lion]

oh lmao

does it also work that way in the song part cutscenes?

[weary root]

Yep

[wintry lion]

if there was a way to climb to the top without sharpdart then needolin could be skipped entirely

[weary root]

The only needolin locked things in the game are weaver doors and the mists(which literally checks to see if you have it and otherwise won't let you out)

[wintry lion]

yeah its a bummer you can't stumble your way around it without needolin but i get why they coded it that way

[weary root]

Do you need more help @shrewd wyvern ?

[formal bough]

you can climb up without sharpdart

so rejoice

[shrewd wyvern]

I found the pins but I though it will be a dc server

[weary root]

dc?

[wintry lion]

oh you can?? i haven't seen that yet

[thorn jasper]

if you're on mobile that part got cut off, you'll need to tap the message to expand it

[shrewd wyvern]

discord

[weary root]

It is

If you're on mobile you might have to click on the first pin to see the whole message

oh 🐌

[shrewd wyvern]

found it

ty

[wintry lion]

do you happen to have a link for it because all the results i see on youtube are with sharpdart (or dashless but with double jump, so what's the point)

[formal bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr0UL70gASQ

[wintry lion]

wow these air stalls are something else

i will have a blast doing no prep no practice blind min bosses% run tonight

[formal bough]

this strat saves needing a pouch I believe?

[hallow fractal]

random ass bug, caused me to oob, duuno how useful it is since its in act 3

[hidden sundial]

Right, I forgot about Bell

[hidden sundial]

Why would you skip Widow? Does the game not prevent you from using the Needolin you don't have for Cradle access?

[formal bough]

Of course you're able to use a needolin you don't have

(If you're in a cutscene, you can use your needolin freely)

[hidden sundial]

Amazing

[formal bough]

(All required needolin uses happen in a cutscene [wings, melodies, cradle, possibly even last judge? though LJ requires widow anyway])

[steady oak]

Mist without needolin strats soon?

https://tenor.com/view/thorobr-rng-fire-elmo-gif-14506283

[formal bough]

mist isn't a required needolin use

it's a required needolin ownership

you literally can't go through the mists without having needolin in your inventory

[steady oak]

Did not know, thanks for telling haha

[formal bough]

you never have to use it, but if you haven't beat widow and picked up the needolin the mists is impassible

[hidden sundial]

Who needs Mist when you can do thicket route smh

[carmine star]

Hey guys I know that im kinda late to Hollow Knight speedrunning but i found that when i hold both a and d while on a wall i fall faster but take no stun from a fall. I think that it can be pretty usefull in some situations where you have to fall to save time. Works in current pach but I dont know 'bout other paches. Here is a clip demonstration if you are curious!

[thorn jasper]

a and d are left and right? if so this is known

[carmine star]

oh ok sorry

[thorn jasper]

you don't have to apologize

[formal bough]

It’s better to share known things then to assume something is known and not share discoveries

[shrewd wyvern]

is there any one that can help me with livesplit?

[formal bough]

don't start asking here you were already in the right place; anybody who can help will also be in the tech support channel

[alpine totem]

does anyone have a map of the any % for silksong? id love to practice it to try for the achievement

[proven moat]

Guys, we still dont have save state for ss, right?

[vagrant warren]

Fir8 both those things you can check in the pinned speedrun server

[restive wasp]

https://youtu.be/aMFrVlHdzgw finally

[flat needle]

New category: Purple% : get all main purple items:

• Pollip Pouch
• Purple Quill
• Purple Mirror
• Voltvessel
• Volt Filament

theoretically ends at the Tormented Trobbio fight

[thorn jasper]

trobbio2 is act3 right? then you need to do all the quests to trigger silk and soul which is cringe

[hidden sundial]

It is

I think the craziest category right now is Faydown%

[split valve]

Hello. Does anyone know what's likely to be the rules of the any% category on Speedrun.com leaderboard ?

I'd like to record a video but idk if I'm supposed to put my own timer during the run.

[vagrant warren]

You can follow the discussion & votes in the pinned speedrun server

[fallen lily]

whats the low percent for weaver queen?

[low oasis]

I’m new here where would I find a discussion or working route for silksong 100% speedrun?

[deft ingot]

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1039743031043178606/pins2.png?ex=65b083a8&is=659e0ea8&hm=99e49a3bf5bf82b5411cfab9c1b9b6163246c36233a3d1ff982e4c5dbcc2cb4c&

[deft ingot]

First message has the discord server

[sour violet]

best combo against Lost Lace so far

lots of improvements to be made overall though

fumbled a lot of combo opportunities

31 second phase 1, 34 second phase 2

[hasty dirge]

Anyone experienced with livesplit?I Got original Steam HK (v1.2.2.1) but livesplit doesn't work right for some reason

[weary root]

Have you activated the autosplitter?

[hasty dirge]

I configured everything correctly, but when I enter the game, livesplit doesn't load at all

[weary root]

What do you mean by doesn't load?

[hasty dirge]

doesn't appear over the game screen

the counter even appears, but disappears soon after

[weary root]

I mean ideally you don't have livesplit covering part of the game, but you can fix that by either playing in windowed or borderless windowed

[hasty dirge]

ty, livesplit doesn't disappear now

[stoic quest]

hey idk if anyone knows about this but the little violin guys near the top of song clave can be phased through taking no dmg by using the harpoon and pressing sprint right after coming into their hitbox

i can get a video of it later if someone wants

[mint mist]

that’s known, yeah

you can also do it with a pogo

[grim adder]

how up for debate is which wishes to do for a true ending speedrun?

it kind of saddens me how linear silksong seems rn

with hollow knight you can theoretically fight like half the bosses as your first one

silksong makes you do moss mother

[formal bough]

I mean low% gets claw as its first upgrade

[weary root]

yeah there's like 3 separate ways up into mid level

and two ways into citadel

[grim adder]

i miss my acid skips too 😢

(acting like i ever speedran the first game seriously)

[distant oak]

I hate the mist,the mist and the mist

[grim adder]

did you not get the needolin

idk speedrun strats

is it included

[distant oak]

yes

[grim adder]

when there are the white flies you can play it and they guide you to where you need to go

[distant oak]

I know,it just the only part that I stuck on because of the enemy on the mist

while the high hall gauntlet,I did twice

[grim adder]

those things are rather annoying

[distant oak]

annoying indeed

[agile breach]

guys can this help in p5 speedruns (if you hit a jelly and then u get teleported to nosk theres an explosion somewhy)

help

[mint mist]

i feel like best case scenario you get a scream skip but you can’t damage winged nosk until they finish transforming

[agile breach]

sadness

[mint mist]

it would be funny if someone managed to figure out TAS ooma core bullshit for winged nosk tho

[agile breach]

i had the urge to ping a TASer

but idk if theres any in this server

[mint mist]

there are plenty

[steady oak]

1:30 soon, Ig

[manic ember]

how do i learn to speedrun?

[steady lynx]

Play the game, but fast

[uneven parrot]

look at pin

[upbeat tartan]

Chat whats a good speerun strat for the 5 hr achievement

[grand anchor]

Can anyone explain to me how the Mist works ?

[wide cradle]

sub 4 hour any% in vc 1

[inner summit]

Sub 2 Had a crazy Mist though Mist enter to mist exit was exactly 1:30
Fumbled quite hard on Lace 2 and Trobbio unfortunately

[shrewd wyvern]

are there any livesplit thing that would be nice to know

how do you make it so that when you pogo on the ground your not stunned?

[inner summit]

You either use the pogo when you`re high enough in the air its animation ends before you touch the ground
or you Cancel it by jumping while holding neither left or right

[shrewd wyvern]

ahh ik i will try that

[inner summit]

good luck canceling the landing stun consistently is quite hard

[serene swan]

can i have a link for live split

for holllow knight

[onyx jasper]

You have to nuetral pogo

Let go of all directions when pogoing

Then rehold

It's not bad on keyboard but on joystick it's very tricky

[round plank]

Yo I beat silksong in 1:48:24 but i didint take a screanshoot and I just didint stop playing, is there a way for me to prove i beat silksong in 1:48:24 h ?

[formal bough]

I mean a run isn't submittable without a video so that's not gonna happen anyway, at which point there's no real need to prove it? It's a very believable time I believe it

[round plank]

Oh ok thx

[zinc cypress]

Does anyone know if hunter crest upgrade is a percent?

[formal bough]

it's not

only binding eva is a percent

[zinc cypress]

Sweet

[tall apex]

Has the silksong under 1 hr been beaten?

[formal bough]

the current wr is the 58:52 by nebula, which was the first sub 1hr

[round plank]

I tought the World record was 01:03:(24)==i think

[earnest lotus]

Judging team cherries patching decisions with disappointment for the 7th year in a row, both the shadow patch and this beta patch. At the very least the sawtooth change was very uncalled for and i think you should reconsider.

[hidden sundial]

Yeah well, things happened since

I expect Nebula's record to not last incredibly long

[formal bough]

yeah I mean somebody's already gotten a 59

(nebula, bell route)

[gleaming valve]

I'm curious, how are the speedrun categories before the embargo decided?

[gleaming valve]

I think it's a 58!! Sub 59 straight away

[vagrant warren]

There's discussion in the speedrun server, also people are free to just make up categories tobrun for fun, that still happens even for hk

[gleaming valve]

True, I saw a guy running bilewater death %

I would love to try a smaller run, maybe 20 min long, just to be on the top 5 or top 10 on the leaderboard

Maybe caravan% which means moving the Caravan with the first 5 fleas, seems like a good easy run

[thorn jasper]

a bunch of folks have done 5 Tools which is sub 13 and only visits the first two areas

[gleaming valve]

Uuuh

[gleaming valve]

Do you know where I can find a video? Thanks

[thorn jasper]

https://youtu.be/Uzkz38dDVGs

[hard lintel]

Yo, anyone familiar with glitches?

Accidentally did one in HK, and curious about it

[vagrant warren]

Tiu can ask here, but there are more glitched runners in the pinned speedrun server

[hard lintel]

Dumb question, where do I find the pin?

[vagrant warren]

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1039743031043178606/pins2.png?ex=65b083a8&is=659e0ea8&hm=99e49a3bf5bf82b5411cfab9c1b9b6163246c36233a3d1ff982e4c5dbcc2cb4c&

[vagrant warren]

Looks like that on desktop

On mobile click the channel name to access pins

[hard lintel]

On mobile atm, thanks

[gleaming valve]

Thanks!! Seems pretty easy

[spring halo]

🪚 🦷 - 🪦

😭

just wanted to say that ig

[severe kestrel]

im also sad about this

[hidden sundial]

Faydown% with no Needolin let's go

[vagrant warren]

Not gonna be a thing much longer either lol

[hidden sundial]

Yeah but it was fun while it lasted

[spring halo]

I also wanted to elaborate a bit and say that a good portion of the sr community feels slightly spited by the timely change to sawtooth that seemed like it just made it into the patch after the patchnotes were finalized

[umbral pier]

It certainely is strange that Sawtooth got nerfed right as it was found to be optimal for any%

Nerfed so fast that there's not even a recorded run using the route out

[burnt garden]

hey! I'm new to this speedrunning thing. Where do i get tools like the timer and splits and stuff?

[vagrant warren]

The timer is livesplit, which you can google, splits can be downloaded from hksplitmaker.com

[gleaming valve]

Ahhh yes, sawmolar minus die... I feel you man

[slender linden]

Faydown storage? Idk i just got insane height idk if this is any use for runs cause ik faydown is not required

[formal bough]

that's a triple jump yeah

[surreal venture]

Also found this in the first days of my playthrough of the game but documented it through a tweet: https://x.com/Rujis48/status/1964880383406981162?t=vJZ1ZwLI7PtKkeWoGo9-KA&s=19

632146P (@Rujis48)

Eu não vi ngm falando sobre mas o beast crest com o charged attack pode ser usado como um pseudo double jump. Eu skipei algumas areas fazendo isso mas não to conseguindo replicar de novo (do nada perdeu a altura do ataque).

#Silksong #silksongspoilers

X · Sep 8, 2025, 2:36 AM

[surreal venture]

It isn't in english but the translator probably gets the message through

[surreal venture]

It actually predates Nebula_Bebula's video

[proud edge]

i'm watching fast 52, and vysuals mentions there's a mistless route. is there a video someone can point me to?

thanks in advasnce

[deft ingot]

Idk if there’s a video, but in #ss-resources in the speedrun discord found in the first pin, you can find many helpful things, I think any% routes are also in there

[proud edge]

ah ok, i'm not a speedrunner i was just curious

👍

[deft ingot]

No need to be a speed runner to be in that discord

I definitely wasn’t when I joined

[proud edge]

oh cool

[static umbra]

im not sure if there is a video tutorial but the most recent wr does not go through the mist, u can watch it through to see the route https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES3xOVaQ76c

[proud edge]

that's exactly what im looking thanks sm

[wooden yacht]

i'm a little curious is all grubs a category

it has to be right

[mellow abyss]

Elegy% is a thing in category extensions yeah.

[glad summit]

ive heard its possible to do mount fay without clawline OR sharpdart but i cant find footage of it

[formal bough]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr0UL70gASQ

[glad summit]

thanks!

[warm steeple]

absolute mount fay

[deft ingot]

Wait, isn’t that title misleading? Don’t you need needolin for the plasmium vial?

Nvm

I’m kinda stupid, it’s the key you need, not needolin

[formal bough]

The sharpdart needs needolin, which was what was used first

[deft ingot]

Yeah, my brain completely blocked off everything past the simple key door as needolin required for some reason

[safe plover]

holy cloak flair
https://youtu.be/D4KT4xuZBw0

i wasnt familiar with ur game i thought u were a terrible tool

iirc its bought from 12th architect, and u do actually run past a pretty close ore right after lace1 on the way to farfield
so it woudlnt be that hard to route in speedrun
but dunno if that dps can save more time than running for those things cost

it might also be way too risky to use on most fights, gms is like the easiest fight in act2

[static umbra]

There is a whole thread about sawtooth circlet in the pinned speedrun server. But I think I heard that sawtooth circlet got a significant damage nerf in the most recent beta patch which makes it unviable

[safe plover]

o

i see

[static umbra]

But maybe ppl will run sawtooth circlet on release patch, im not sure

Ull definitely find more info in the speedrun discord

[safe plover]

hm ctrl F "sawtooth" shows nothing

[static umbra]

This is the thread https://discord.com/channels/772964112908156938/1419882702722699374

In the speedrun server

[true pivot]

Hey guys, not sure if this is known tech already but if you pogo last second on these wormy guys you can “store” a pogo. It lets you get a pseudo double jump by throwing a tool (I do not have a double jump skill unlocked in this clip). You can also see I’m hitting everything around me by just running

I used it to get sharp dart and the fly guy’s shop before I should have been be able to

Anyone seen this before?

[deft ingot]

It’s known, pretty sure it’s designated as a major glitch, so won’t be seen in most runs. It also doesn’t need to be off those enemies I believe. I think I’ve seen it done off of the saws in clockwork

[true pivot]

Damn I was hoping it’d be a new discovery to help the community (and get my name mentioned in the 2029 summoning salt video)

[weary root]

If this game was less broken then this might have more relevance, but room entanglement has meant the glitched category is down to 10 minutes already

[barren sinew]

if hornet and the knight fought who would win?

[spring halo]

pogo storage (or general hitbox storage, it works with spear too for example) works on all hazards that used to do 2 dmg but where nerfed down to 1 dmg

it's clearly related to that nerf. But ye basically that is worms and cogs in cogwork afaik

also, RIP 🪚 🦷 -🪦

[golden hornet]

route

[vagrant warren]

pins

[cold sundial]

hey, dont know if this can be useful but you can pogo phantom's slam attack for a few frames and avoid a hit

[eager zodiac]

Friend found a bug that allows for a permanent (until heal) slow-fall that allows for attacking and other movement. He tried it in other places as well, but I do not know if it is reset when crossing rooms.

He also found this fun little OoB exploit. This one he hasn't tested since the last patch, tho. So don't know for sure if it still works.

I credit both of the above glitches to DragonMetals.

[sharp abyss]

whats a good time for a path of pain speedrun?

[warped brook]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Pt1biKGS0xo?si=zlcBFPA8b2h3A3Jq

https://youtu.be/dphHkEcTxKE?si=miT1IqOMnkXdWsju

this is faster lol

[modern shadow]

Read the pinned comment

On the short

[warped brook]

but i discovered it like a day after the game came out

[molten basalt]

btw he says something like "Jump pogo dash" smth
any idea what he might be referencing? im new to this speedrunning silksong (come from running mega man zero) so literally got no clue about the terms 😭

[onyx rapids]

basically jumping pogoing and then dashing, it's a bit tough to do consistently till you get the rythm but it's the fastest tech there's rn

you could watch any recent speedrun and they use this tech

Bluesr's streaming runs rn and using it if you want to see how it goes

[last shadow]

how to set up livesplit + silksong overlay?

[wintry sphinx]

発令の間ほんましんどい！

[last shadow]

somebody can teach me how?

[molten basalt]

yeah, its hard. Thouogh not impossible, im sure you will be able to do even faster!

good luck bro, you got this!

[wintry sphinx]

thank you!!!!!!!!!!

[last shadow]

^somebody?

[modern shadow]

You might have some luck with reddit (no real idea how it works but a old hollow knight tutorial might also work)

[molten basalt]

yuh i just checked em out and GOSH it looks funky lmao
and i thought that "wavedash" was funny looking lmao

I will just stick to my dash spams haha

[modern shadow]

I want to see how fast the tas does it

[molten basalt]

me too! though I think we might need to wait a little for a properly optimized tas

[bleak stone]

hey does anyone have the levers to press for the architects puzzle in silksong?

[cunning totem]

I'm fairly certain it's random

-# ...I say before realizing that's not a Minesweeper puzzle.

[weary root]

no it's always this pattern

[cunning totem]

Is it really? How was this found?

[weary root]

by having many different people do it and confirm

[granite field]

You can stay in the middle of this with Shaman Crest and Dash
Tried the other way around with no success

Oddly specifc setup and also late game crest so probably no utility

The second video is an idea

[maiden rapids]

I did it

[faint radish]

cant get a recording of it but, i found out that if you cast pretty much at the same time you get hit (so far i only got it from contact damage), you ignore the knockback and can move with the spell still active

[white cypress]

any tips on doing the beastfly skip to get to silkspear? when I try i just don't seem to get enough height to make it

[proven breach]

is there a ban appeal for the speedrunning discord and if not what would be the best way to appeal a ban

[steady lynx]

You were last chatting there 3 years ago, did you get hacked and banned

[proven breach]

nope

[steady lynx]

Dm this guy

[proven breach]

thanks

[restive onyx]

I’ve heard coral tower is the slowest of the 4 hearts in act 3, so it’s skipped in true ending speedruns, but what’s the 2nd slowest heart, and how much faster is that one compared to coral tower?

[bronze yacht]

second ever speedrun i did on pc

kinda happy tbh

[coarse skiff]

Anybody got any splits for silksong?

[vagrant warren]

Hksplitmaker supports silksong as well

[elder cedar]

This the architects puzzle?

Lol nvm I should read

[slim cedar]

/START

[nova axle]

What’s the routing for trying to get double jump early?

[vagrant warren]

For the most up to date routing join the server in pins

[nova axle]

I know it’s something like, get needolin, do the sharp dart skip, and get kidnapped to the slab

[nova axle]

Oh okay lol

[granite field]

congrats !

[acoustic forge]

is there autosplitting for silksong already?

[vagrant warren]

Maybe? For the most up to date resources join the server in pins

[acoustic forge]

okay ty :)

[tropic pond]

https://streamable.com/bu5z8e

Clawline clip, dont think its useful at all, but maybe somewhere else?

[granite field]

https://youtu.be/I5lJWzZ467I?si=-hlQA5f-r2LmaNlE I just saw this

Its also funny how you can be hurt that way

I cant try it right now but if you respawn at any last sat bench like this, it seems probably useful

I'll try it tomorrow

[azure tide]

First actual speedrun attempt

[mighty geode]

nice

[safe plover]

i jus did it for teh achievment

i didnt have any trouble with high halls arena in normal playthru so i was like what r people complaining about
but goddam its so brutal with no masks and no tools

[tired mauve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHCpaQ51ZNU

could this tech be used to open the shortcut in the cradle?

[hoary plinth]

so like, there IS a craftmetal on the route for sure, so how feasible is it to stop by highhalls cogflies to grab it?

[bronze wind]

anyone know how to get the speed run timer, am new with timer and not sure how to get or set it up

[hoary plinth]

I figure its not worth it considering I don't see anyone doing it

and like how many shards realistically is anyone grabbing on the way tbf

[hoary plinth]

uh i think theres a video lemme try to find it

[bronze wind]

thank you 😭

[hoary plinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqkwp-6Ffjg

[bronze wind]

thankk youuuu so much

[hoary plinth]

oh wait, this isn't the speedrunning discord LOL

well this is fine I guess

[static umbra]

i dont think cogflies are worth it at all in any%. first u need shards to even summon them which u probably want to find a shard bundle or beast shard for (theres one at the start of the game but still a detour), then u need craftmetal, and to get cogfly itself. and after all that u only get to summon 4 at once and they deal like basically no damage with no tool pouch or crafting kit upgrades. based off wiki they deal 3 damage per hit at no crafting kit upgrade, and they break after 5 hits, so with capacity 4 u r getting 60 damage per bench, and that sets u back 40 shards. and needle1 is 9 damage so thats only like 6 or 7 regular needle hits total. it just doesnt seem that good to me for what u need to do to prep it.

[grim adder]

there we go speedrun 2

i have an idea for something potentially

does a hollow knight speedrun have to be done in normal mode and not steel soul?

[static umbra]

there is a separate category for steel soul any%

[formal bough]

You're allowed to do steel soul, but it's generally not optimal (steel soul jinn is not actually a great money source really)

[rare parcel]

WR by @vestal apex

[weary root]

got a video?

[wary thunder]

Is there a video for the route for any%? Or should i just watch any old video of them running it?

[static umbra]

im not sure if theres any video tutorial on any% but there are a few different routes to consider

assuming u talking about silksong ofc

theres the mist route or the bells route, then u can get needle1 or needle2. theres also cloakless which i dont know a ton about but i think thats release patch only

[wary thunder]

Ohh ye im on switch so thats a no go

If i want to start speedruning should i just try to follow a wr with some safety nets?

[static umbra]

world records nowadays use needle1, for starting out i would recommend needle2 since it not super slow to get and anyways the main timesaves for initial runs are most likely gonna be from dying less and needle2 certainly helps a lot with that

[hoary plinth]

dude lace 1 in 8 minutes is scary i need to watch that now

[static umbra]

tho u can still watch an older record (as in closer to silksongs release) to see needle2 runs

[hoary plinth]

wanna backseat me achow?

im suffering xD

well I was It just took me 15 mins to do the high halls arena

I died twice to the final boss of it

[static umbra]

i cant rn

good luck on ur run tho

[hoary plinth]

❤️

[wary thunder]

Oo ok tysm

[hoary plinth]

how do timers work for switch

do you take the time to mod one in, or do you just do start - end and manual timing?

[night zephyr]

I was playing to beat the record when the fuse blew in the middle of the speedrun.

😦

[weary root]

I think you'll probably find that that run uses mods

which is why I asked if they had a video

it's a completely unrealistic set of splits

[hoary plinth]

yay I finished it

i think some of my splits are broken

[static umbra]

ggs good job

[hoary plinth]

Time to practice now

[terse plume]

interesting that the judge route seems to have caught up

is it known whether it's faster than phantom yet?

[weary root]

current estimate is 40 seconds faster iirc

[steady lynx]

Mist is kinda RNG even at best, so it'll vary, but Bells is faster by quite a bit generally

[terse plume]

what changed? just the new steppes movement?

[weary root]

there's a skip up to greymoor bell and a few skips in blasted steps that are adding a lot of timesave

[terse plume]

ah I see

[weary root]

but also we didn't really have good timings for anything yet

[terse plume]

oh damn wild enemy pogo on the greymoor bell hah

is it better even if you get really lucky in mist?

[wind wren]

Would this be the place to ask about general advice for silk song's "5 hour any% achievement"?

I am gonna take a peak at a map tool to get an idea for what route i wanna take, but in general i think my vague plan is to try to find 8 mask shards i can pick up for 7 masks, probably just skip sister splinter w/ flower taunt skip, and then use blasted steps since im not that comfortable with mist to do it reliably in act 1 quickly

Im likely gonna skip underworks first visit as well unless it has a reward i realize i really want but i gotta check

[weary root]

if you're getting needle 2 then the only money you "need" is bellhart and grand bellway stations, so the rest can go to safety benches or tools you might want

[wind wren]

Nice. Yea im not even gonna bother with taste of pharloom so at most i will get +2 probably

[weary root]

yeah taste is hard and slow

[wind wren]

I also will not do mount fay or slab.

Since i dont need double jump and i dont see any reason id need something from them

[weary root]

if you don't want to do moorwing you can also use fleas to greymoor to skip that

[wind wren]

Yeye good reminder

I'll see if there are easy fleas to get but otherwise i can just try to learn the fight/call on garmond

I will probably see about getting the hunters march shop items as well

Since both are very handy

So i will need to make sure i know where to get rosaries i need

Debating on if i try to do any simple keys but honestly i think i can manage without plasmium or flintslate

[weary root]

5 fleas before greymoor are: in the room with dash, left of docks station, up after lace heading into far fields, above marrow station, and hunters march

[wind wren]

Ty gonna save this for later

[weary root]

ueah fractured mask is great

[wind wren]

I genuinelu might try it tonight i just will need to study a map a lil

Moss druid doesnt give you rosaries for the first 3 quesr moss berries right?

[weary root]

she doesn't no

[wind wren]

Alright then i wont bother w/ those

[weary root]

worth noting that pause and inventory both pause the game's timer

[wind wren]

Fantastic to know ty. I knew it for pause but not for inventory

I honestly think it shouldnt take me more than 2 attempts and there are always the autosave loads if i have a good start that backfires midway in, at least i assume that is viable for thr achievement?

[weary root]

no idea on that one but i'd assume so

[wind wren]

Ye fair. I will trust that it does. If it doesnt, then no big deal

I'll probably need to see what shop items i want. I probably at least want architect's cogwheel. Maybe sting trap but i think i can skip magma bell? I know how to dodge last judge fire enough and i dont think any deep docks platforming will give me trouble

So i'll want at least 1-3 craft metal. I def know i want cogflies and maybe pimpilo. Will have to see if i route that

Sorry for the walls of text btw

[wary thunder]

I want to speedrun on my switch
Is the ingame timer you see st the end of runs accurate to the green timer on pc?

[wind wren]

Based on what someone just told me, in game timer pauses on both pause/esc screen and inventory

So if you use one of the speedrun split trackers that speed runners often use, it does not match the ingsme timer

Green timer used by speed runners is the standard tracker since it also keeps track of when you are menuing and any time you save/quit to warp to your last spawn/bench

[wary thunder]

Oh damn ok ty

[steady lynx]

Console will be timed real time, and put on a separate board probably

[wind wren]

I have never used it so i dont know if there is a way to play on a console like switch while using that timer. Possibly but you might need hardware to connect your switch to a computer and idk what that process involves or how one speedruns doing so

[terse plume]

are there any useful tool detours on a casual 5 hour playthrough

I guess you can get cogflies easily but that's only for the very end of the run

feel like you can probably get at least one more mask without burning too much time

[wind wren]

Fractured mask for sure, i imagine. + curve claw if you like it. Would need to determine when to get them. Float cloak makes the ascent easier but i imagine only do it after sprint

[wind wren]

Yea ngl im hoping i can route in 2 masks somehoe but i might just need to limit it to 1

Im also gonna try to route in cogwheel from 12th architect cuz it is so good for high halls

[terse plume]

threadstorm is pretty powerful but getting it is kindof hell

you can also probably put in a detour for your favourite crest without too much trouble

[wind wren]

Mhm. I might try to get it but id pick up threefold pin also. But tbh it is such a long route that i might skip both

[steady lynx]

I recommend Fine Pin, very good

[wind wren]

Finepin? Do you mean longpin in shellwood?

Maybe forgetting something

Im def getting straight pin, reliable as heck for a simple dart

[mint mist]

fine pins quest reference?

[steady lynx]

Sorry, I meant Pin Badge

[wind wren]

? What? For thr charge attack? Isnt that act 3?

[steady lynx]

Or just the dice, it's genuinely one of the better tools

[wind wren]

Oh yea magnetite dice are clutch

[terse plume]

I'm considering routing in plasmium just because I lean on it so much in platforming sections

guess it's a pretty lengthy detour though given you dont even have to enter wormways

[wind wren]

I need to learn when exactly you csn pick those up for free idk the exact window

[steady lynx]

I don't even remember how I got the speedrun achievement, I think I got it when going through the game in Steelsoul, so that might be optimal

[wind wren]

Yea dont you need the simple key to get it? So either 500 rosary grind or detour to sinners road

[terse plume]

oh do you

[wind wren]

Yea p sure it requires bypassing the simple key door. The shortcut wall at the top of that hall way w/ pilgrims is 1 way isnt it?

I might be mistaken

So yea either a big rosary purchase or pretty substantial detour into sinners road for the key on that big whip chain guy in the same vertical tunnel that leads you to styx

Tho you could use the shortcut cut to greymoor that takes you to styx. I think you need cling grip to get there tho

Actually yea youd need cling grip to get it at all

So a detour from shellwood/bellhart once you get cling grip if you want the sinners road key. That is If you dont buy the bonebottom one

After looking into it, without some significant detours i think a 6th mask is reasonable for 5h run. 7th requires a bunch of extra stuff. Easiest on route shards i see are:

• detour, but the shard just below the simple key door in wormways.
• floaty cloak puzzle room to the top left of seamstress home
• the shellwood flower pogo side room down below cling grip
• mask shard accessed by lower left side of cogwork core
• mask shard in that ceiling portion of whispering vaults

[terse plume]

makes sense

[wind wren]

After those, "easiest ones" you could maybe get are 3 of the following:

• 300 cost rosary purchase from bone bottom
• optional cling grip arena connected at lower marrow/deepdocks transition
• 750 cost from songclave merchant (requires her first quest iirc?)
• and finally savage beastfly quest (which if i understand right also requires beast crest)

So 7th mask is doable but seems to add a lot of extra stuff depending on your choice

Any others of the 16 act 2 shards either require clawline (far fields platforming challenge) or double jump if im not overlooking anything

[terse plume]

we're getting clawline anyway right

[wind wren]

So 7 is the most reasonable max and idk how routing 7th would look

[terse plume]

depends how hard it is to backtrack to

[wind wren]

Yes but then it is a huge detour for the arena

And it is an arena + platforming challenge so if youre not confident it can waste a lot of time. Closest bellway is farfields and you basically run all the way to far fields weavernest to get there

Doable but like. You gotta be rock solid otherwise it is probably too big of a time waste depending on how fast you can unlock gms fight

If youre good enough yo do it reliably you probably dont need a 7th mask lmao

So 7th mask shard rly depends on what rosary farms you can do + if you try savage beast fly quest. If you do that, could be worth pairing savage beast fly quest with far fields clawline challenge for 2 but you gotta be confident with both or it will eat time. And to minimize pain on both you likely want magma bell unless youre good (in which case do you really need a 7th mask when any% is usually with just 5 masks i assume?)

So yea i think unless i find myself bursting with rosaries im gonna only route in 6 masks

Oh.. i guess i dont need to buy any maps huh. Sorry shakra :(

I was originallu considering trying to do both the 5h and 30h on one file but i dont think i wanna route that lmao

[wind wren]

I unintentionally dismissed weavenest alta shard in my mind cause i decided it was "too out of the way" but
1 i wouldnt have the bridge built. And 2 im planning to use hunters crest so going to eva is likely worth the detour. So that might actually be routable

[wind wren]

Any thoughts on if magnetite broach is worth the 120 purchase? I am guessing no since aside for fast rolling rosaries you can pick up most manually, and i assume it is better to aim for relics also for higher rosary amounts?

Im just looking over some final routing ideas before i start my first attempt i think

[plucky horizon]

second attempt at the route

probably gotta keep practicing indvidual rooms and splits now

[blazing jewel]

How do you do that?

[blazing jewel]

Nicee

[plucky horizon]

the game has a build in feature that can reload saves

thats probably what i will use

dont know if they already have debug mod for this game

[thorn jasper]

they do have a debug mod, join the pinned server for the link

[wind wren]

Took out lace 1 at around 30-40 minutes due to a bit of slow play to make sure im getting rosari3s and 2 silly deaths. Hoping this is a decent pace but we'll see where im at by act 2 lol (this is for 5h achievement im not even remotely attempting to proper speedrun lol)

Oh god nope im at 50m post lace.

I guess im gonna need to make an effort to dillydally less ig

[ivory turtle]

What is the route for silksong rn or has one not really been formed

[somber salmon]

Good morning everyone! I made a reddit post yesterday describing some trouble my wife and I were having getting past one of the last bosses in Act 1. Last night we finally managed to just squeek out a win, then the last boss did something completely unexpected that we'd never seen before and we lost AGAIN.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/1nsttn0/after_335_hours_in_im_hard_stuck_at_the_beginning/

We've been trying for literal weeks at this point to get past this part of the game. My wife (bless her heart, shes 6 1/2 months pregnant) was at the helm at the time and had to put the controller down and cry a bit afterwards from frustration.

We decided that the game is just to hard for us, and that we need to put it down. After 33.5 hours, we cannot get past this hurdle no matter what we do. The game beat us.

My wife loves the art and the style of the game and I want to keep playing it to see what else there might be, but at this point nerves are so frayed that I genually, truly, do not believe that we are capable of going any further in the game.

My question is, is there any kind soul out there in Discord world that could beat this boss for us via discords share screen feature. Its the last thing I can think of to try.

Let me know if anyone out there has any other ideas, and thank you so, so much for any help in advance you can give 🙂

I thought this would be the channel with the highest degree of success to find someone to help us out. IF this is the incorrect channel please let me know, and apologies 🙂

[formal bough]

You can't control the game through share screen, so it'd have to be something extra (and I don't think having somebody talking in your ear would help a huge amount). Something I know made my father enjoy the game [he got into HK from me and is also playing silksong now] was adding mods; he plays with a mod that remove double damage and that makes the game still hard but much more approachable. You could even use it just for the last judge and then turn it off. Team Cherry definitely made this game hard, and I think making it easier in response is a great move.

Another option is indeed to search for the second route into act 2; it's not hunter's march (thankfully, that area is hard!) so you could try that. I personally find the other boss more fun, though there is a puzzle on the way.

(If you don't want to deal with mods [but are on computer] and only want to get past the last judge [which again is very reasonable the point of playing games is for fun and if the boss is just infuriating for you] what you could also do is edit the save file to get a temporary buff [like give you 100 health lol] and do the boss fight like that, before editing it back to normal)

[hidden sundial]

For Last Judge, make sure you use Magma Bell if you weren't already, that will help in staying alive for longer.

If you beat her once, you can beat her twice. Obviously stay far from her once you do.

Alternate route IMO is a bit harder, not because of the boss itself but rather the area before it can be very violent.

[formal bough]

Ah you found somebody willing to beat it by sending the save file over in another channel, yeah that works well idk why that didn't cross my mind

Besides you did beat the last judge anyway, just died to the post-death explosion attack so that's fair

[wind wren]

I just had a moment of terror thinking that you might have to get thr flea's wish before gathering any fleas to allow them to move on to greymoor but thankfully to my relief tjat is not the case. Gbye moorwing! Smell ya later

[terse plume]

the post-death explosion is so mean lol

only other game I can think of that does it is La Mulana (but that game has so many mean traps you're usually ready for it)

[wind wren]

Does anyone have a guide for the sister splinter skip?

I csn do the first taunt skip but cant figure out how to get up to the weaver structure ledge afterwards

The flowers wouldnt go up high enough. Im guessing maybe i need to do a tight sprint jump or a heal stall? But idk how to pull it off without wasting time. I'll pull up another file to see if i can practice it in the mean time

[weary root]

after the taunt pogo you're just in where the game leads you after sister splinter

so no more skips required, just follow the path

[wind wren]

Nah i think i need to go further than the veru first part of the pogo

I think im missing 1 step to it

[weary root]

you need to go left and then wrap around to the right again

[wind wren]

Cause i get the flower under the ledge and up high enough to pogo off it once

Here let me just get you a screenshot so i can get a clearer direction

Cause im obviously missing a step that i forgot to it

Ok so i basically do the first part of the pogo and manage to get up here. I thought i needed to lure that other flower up with more taunts but it never seemed to want to go high enough for a usable pogo

And if you can sprint-jump to the ledge somehow i havent pulled it off.
(Pardon the fact this is my 100% file i just needed to test it without wasting game time)

[weary root]

yeah you go left from here

down left

[wind wren]

Omg right

Sorry im dumb lmao

[weary root]

[wind wren]

I forgot there was a ledge down there tysm

[sly tulip]

Raaaah. Just have to finish a run for once now

[chilly hare]

how to download tools to practice bosses of silksong can anyone help me plz

[wind wren]

Just for a frame of reference, presuming i dont severely f up a boss or something but im having occasional blunders/slow sections/deaths, how forgiving would you estimate the 5h speedrun to be if im at close to 1h20-30m while omw to getting cling grip? (I died stupidly in the platforming post skip 😭 making my way back)

[wind wren]

Ok got cling grip 😭 jesus i made that too hard lmao

[chilly hare]

can someone help me how to make it work on the game idk its my first time

[weary root]

join the speedrunning discord (link in the pins), get the silksong gamer role, and then ask in ss-help

also don't download files posted by randoms on the internet that's how you get viruses

[weary root]

you're not allowed to feel bad for trobbio in the speedrunning channel

only trobbio hate will be accepted

[wooden grotto]

oh wait wrong channel

[grim pagoda]

How do you skip trobbio using rune rage?

[vagrant zodiac]

The first game me have Speedrun of 8 hour good no!

[spark plinth]

is that good for my first real run?

[weary root]

Yep!

[sly tulip]

Yes

Very good

[hidden sundial]

That's a very good time

This game is hard to run

[velvet garnet]

hey guys, i need some help with beast crest skip

i already got to the top right wall but i cant get grip to do the wall jump. Right now i am doing: hold the attack button, jump high, double jump high and release the attack on the apex of the double jump is there anything else that i should do?

[hollow turret]

is there a discord for path of pain speedrunning? im getting decent timings (sub 3 mins) and i want to get better and use the right mods to practice

[static umbra]

The pinned server has path of pain and other IL speedrun resources

[maiden rapids]

chat i cooked?

[mint mist]

nah

[azure sand]

is there a resource for the enemy layouts in each room and what causes enemy layouts to change?

[mint mist]

for what game?

[azure sand]

oh sorry. Silksong

[mint mist]

i don’t know of one, maybe someone else does but that seems like a really big undertaking this early

[azure sand]

yeah, makes sense

[weary root]

if it's to do with bilewater or the mists it's literally just random

[azure sand]

more specifically im trying to get up this room using just the Reaper Crest and wanted to know what the upper quarter of the room looks like on a fresh save

[blazing jewel]

Damn good stuff. How many tries did it take you i'm debating whether i should do it

[weary root]

it has two flying bellthrowers, and a winged pilgrim

[azure sand]

i would grab Claw but im not sure if it affects the enemy layouts in that room

[maiden rapids]

Steal soul? I played very safe

And i do all what i could dk

Do in every

Map

[azure sand]

is the last bellthrower near the two flowers?

[weary root]

you can't climb this room without claw anyway

[azure sand]

you can get all the way up to the two flowers for sure, i just need to know if there is a way to get past them to the final platform

[dull dragon]

Quick question if someone happens to know, is there a reason you can't just skip the Needolin and walk through the mist blindly?

[weary root]

the mist checks to see if you have needolin

and if you don't it won't let you through

[hidden sundial]

Yeah the Mist always throws you on a wrong exit unless you have Needolin

So you can gamble your way in it only if you have Needolin

[dull dragon]

I see. It's just an actual flag. Ok, that makes sense.

Thank you!

[azure sand]

ooh wait

just opened my lategame file i think the enemies actually are the same

if this guy is always at this spot in earlygame then i think it actually is possible to climb this room Reaper Crest only

heres the furthest ive got without a real strat to get to the two flowers

getting to the two flowers is possible for sure, just a matter of better enemy manipulation. so if you can manage to get up to the flowers with the final bellthrower in the right spot then i think you can do the same kind of ladder that i do on the first one

oooh also this ledge is standable. so you can buy some time to manipulate the bellthrower too

[rugged latch]

Would anyone wanna help me learn hollowknight speedrunning eventually? Rn im streaming a casual run for the first time in years, then i want to speedrun it

Well my first playthrough was before i started streaming

[weary root]

join the speedrunning server! (link in the pins) we have a bunch of tutorials and resources there

[rugged latch]

I tried looking it up and couldnt find one

[weary root]

link in the pins

[rugged latch]

Ok

[silk hazel]

Silksong how to roll back save on xbox

[mint mist]

i will forever wonder why these questions find their way to speedrunning

[pulsar violet]

Kinda happy with that but i got some death here and there the only achievement left is the 100% under 30h wonder how hard it is compared to this one

[weary root]

it's also phrased like a google search not a question

[azure sand]

what causes the cage between east Greymoor and Sinner's Road to be broken?

[timber token]

Chat idk if this is news but I just had this bug happen with thread storm and it might be useful to somebody one day for running

[mint mist]

we should start using the ask ai feature and just replying with a screenshot

[brave wind]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdGSnbbF/

Is this a new speedrunner strat ?

[dark mica]

Wow nice movement

[dark mica]

I think it can become now

[brave wind]

True

Like if someone can do it mannualy

[azure sand]

do Fluttermites have a maximum distance that they can be lured away?

is this a skill issue

[dry glen]

Bug that might be helpful in speed running 100%. Watcher at the edge can get stuck in this location, and just takes it (ignore me using the lowest dps crest)

Similar bug with moorwing when fighting after moving fleas. Can get stuck here:

[azure sand]

how does cocoon placement work?

is it hardcoded?

nvm i figured it out

Styx access with only Reaper Crest

lol i didnt walk 2 feet to the left to see the breakable wall

welp

[dawn junco]

@pearl pier

It took me forever to set up the autosplitter(timer)

And my pb was rejected bc I didn’t know how to record with audio

[pearl pier]

oh

thats sad

[pearl pier]

its gonna be even harder in console i imagine too

[dawn junco]

Yeah probably

[formal bough]

Consoles are just timed RTA, and are put on their own board

[pearl pier]

rta?

[formal bough]

real time

[pearl pier]

oh ok

[dawn junco]

No load removal

[pearl pier]

thats simpler

i normally dont load much i have bad internet but not shit internet

[dawn junco]

So just the time it shows at the end then ig

[pearl pier]

and im not going for wr where every second matters

[formal bough]

Yeah, on a computer you can have a load remover that removes performance load times [like, if I have a bad computer the game takes longer to load the next room compared to having a nasa computer] to make the playing field even

[pearl pier]

I dont think thats a big issue on console

[dawn junco]

And that’s not available on console

[formal bough]

nah that's not rta, I'm not 100% on exactly where it's pausing but it does pause and it's pausing in different places than our livesplit

[dawn junco]

Sometimes it is

[pearl pier]

unless youre on a nintendo lite and you have shit internet

[formal bough]

you just use the time you beat it - time you started

...are you downloading the game you play live / streaming it from somewhere else?

not just having the game downloaded?

if the game is downloaded your internet wouldn't matter

[pearl pier]

Oh true

i forgot some games dont need internet

time to learn strats and tech then

[dawn junco]

Gl

My console runs are always like 2h

[pearl pier]

For any%?

[dawn junco]

Ye

[pearl pier]

Whats even console wr

let me check

[dawn junco]

I was abt to check but ok

45m 25s

[pearl pier]

even of i fumble really badly id still be top 50 no matter what 😭

Thats nice

[dawn junco]

Wow

Not many console runs

[pearl pier]

well console runs are in 3 other categories

ps4 and old xbox ps5 and new xbox and nintenfo

[dawn junco]

It’s 42:52 on PS5

[pearl pier]

Im on ps5 so only 42 runs

[dawn junco]

Back to helping ppl now?

[pearl pier]

ill probably learn some speedrun tech and strats from the speedruning server

I might try to do a test run tomorrow

im sick so i have all day

[dawn junco]

Yeah gl

Update me

[pearl pier]

Ok

[earnest hazel]

Can someone give me a layout of a comfortable 2 hour game speedrun, I don’t know what I actually need and what I don’t. I know Isma’s or Shadow but other than that I’m not quite sure

[static umbra]

the pins have a guide for the 5 hour achievement. despite being made for the 5 hour achievement, u can actually get under 2 hrs pretty comfortably if u dont make too many major mistakes (i.e. dying)

[earnest hazel]

Ok thank u

[static umbra]

u can cut out some things from the route if u feel like they take too much time

for example, u can cut out spell twister since that takes a bit to set up

[runic kettle]

I don't know if this is the right place to put this, but I just beat the game 100% in under 15 hours and I'm quite proud of that.

[static umbra]

ggs nice job

[undone tangle]

Can someone point me to a guide to setup for Silksong speedrunning? I've found fireb0rn's low 2020 era HK guide, but some of the technical details are outdated.

[static umbra]

join the pinned server for resources

[undone tangle]

Got it, thanks!

[static umbra]

make sure to give urself the silksong gamer role to see the silksong channels

[modest panther]

Hi, should skips/skip-adjacent stuff be discussed here or in the randomizer channel? (I’ve been glitch hunting in silksong)

[half hornet]

did we really need the shot of the dogs 😭

[modest panther]

I’ll just post it here for now I suppose
(Late game silksong spoilers)
||After learning about the scuttle braces goofy wall jump exploit I found out you can use it to get to northeast farfields early||

[static umbra]

nice, its been found already but thanks for sharing

[modest panther]

I figured

[pearl canyon]

Is trobbio skip allowed in any% nmg?

[static umbra]

if u r referring to the silk spear storage then no

or ig not only silk spear storage but the hitbox storage in general

[glass arch]

Is this anything?

requires ||parasite|| but otherwise crazy easy to pull off and fully skips the boss

[weary root]

Oh that's cool, another way to do this. It's doable by jumping in the water right as groal screams.
Almost certainly going to be ruled a major glitch but a medium glitched category might like this

[glass arch]

Lets you get out of bounds in most rooms with water also but idk if there's actually much to do with that

(it's triggered by bonking a ceiling from the parasite bind knockback then immediately falling into water and makes you slowly sink while staying fully actionable)

[wind wren]

At 2h31m just after cogwork dancers for the 5h any%, i assume i should have time to route in recruiting garmond for high halls, tho would doing his duel help that somehow? I assume i just need to find him in various enemy encounters in choral chambers?

[hidden sundial]

You need to find him a few times I think. High Halls with needle 2 isn't so bad, you can probably give it a go.

[wind wren]

Yeye

My first step is just the standard vault with a detour for oil

I am considering then unlocking high halls but then doubling back for cogwork core so that my cogwork melody save csn reload just before the arena

That way if i lose a lot of time to it and somehow csnt get the game in 5h then i can reload there

But yea i just mainly dont have a lot of practicr on the arena with spider-bots + no garmond (and only 6 masks) so it'll be a bit of a leap for me. I figure i can manage but i'll have to be on my game for it

[gloomy void]

Wait did you just heal with parasite

[wind wren]

Maybe parasite bind can cleanse maggots? Never thought to try it

Tho also video wont load 😭

Oh it loaded holy shit lmao

That is not what i expected from "parasite bind"

Oh btw do we know when the lucky pilgrim dies (f to a gambling king) for dice pickup? I know it is sometime in act 2 but not sure when and i'd like to grab them for high halls

I assume it is after dancers or a melody? (Please ping if you answer ^^)

[hidden sundial]

Tbf if you're confident in dying no more than once, you can use the CC bench, the runback is not that bad if you open the shortcut.

Otherwise just use the High Halls bench, walking back to Cogwork Core isn't too far away

[robust vortex]

I'm new to speedrunning. How do you set up livesplit for silksong. Is there a guide somewhere?

[wind wren]

I mean, it is less about the runback itself and more me planning my autosaves to reduce effort if i fail. Im gonna use the bench by high halls since it is free if memory serves?

[wind wren]

Also i checked just now and dice is dropped after dancers before any melodies. Idk if he dies earlier than that

[hidden sundial]

It is free

[wind wren]

Ok yea i woulda been shocked otherwise

Since citadel doesnt have paid benches iirc

[hidden sundial]

Underworks would like a word

But yeah the rest are free I think

[weary root]

https://youtu.be/TIg9xxEDnM8

[robust vortex]

ty

[dry glen]

😂 wait you talking about the 🐕 or 🦶?

[wind wren]

I am going by overworld map, so yes i excluded underworks on purpose

[wind wren]

Update on my first attempt at the 5h any%. Got clawline at just before 3h mark, i know it's slow but im feelin it chat. 2 melodies and 2 bosses in 2 hours? I think i might just do this

[hidden sundial]

Yeah you can get it done. I did a 4:20 run and I think my clawline was at 2:50

[thorn jasper]

you asked in the speedrunning server and I answered you within a minute. why are you asking here now?

[shrewd wyvern]

I didnt know

sry

I can delete it

[thorn jasper]

you're not always going to get pinged with answers to questions, it's expected that you'll keep an eye on where you ask to get answers

you can always ask to be pinged when you ask a question if that helps

[thorn jasper]

in case you need to be pinged to see anything^

[shrewd wyvern]

ok

[warped brook]

whats the tech to get through the mist

[thorn jasper]

see above

[warped brook]

tyy

what about fourth

or is the fourth "room" the run thing

like

idk how to describe but u just go straight

[thorn jasper]

fourth room is just going straight

[warped brook]

yeah thought so

tyty

ok this is sm easier thank you

[spark plinth]

im speed running the game

this is my stream if u guys wana see

شاهد vengeance866 معي على Twitch! https://www.twitch.tv/vengeance866?sr=a

[thorn jasper]

there's #livestreams for sharing streams

[topaz mesa]

hey, i was wondering if somebody could tell me which mod to use to practise skips?

[ember beacon]

another fireb0rn message thats 2 months old why? cause hes cool

[wind wren]

Isnt it under 30? But yea that is something i still gotta do

Only vague thing im trying to remember is to probably route it so you explore areas as few times as possibe, and making those areas as easy to explore as possible

Ah

In my defense silksong is haunting my brain and you didnt specify which game

All good ^^ in your defense this is a general channel for both

So im just as "guilty" lmaob(honest mistake on both our parts)

Im not very active in this channel either

I havent done much HK running tbh but the advice still holds i assume

But that requires knowing well what areas need what items

Which is tricky and im sadly horribly unqualified so i will quit yapping
I hope you get good sdvice on the run ^^

[sly summit]

Whats the fastest language for speedrunning and is there some tech to skip dialogue faster?

for silksong

[thorny totem]

Guys I know this isn't a speed running thing but I need help grinding for smtn

I have a main save file with everything unlocked where my bro also plays and I banished the Grimm troope and replaced the child and he was so sad I'm grinding to get the charm on another save file where I will do choice achievements again

The grimmchild shall rise again

[thorn jasper]

you can check out NKG% on the category extensions for a route of doing this fast

[hidden sundial]

Hell yea NKG%

[blazing jewel]

can anyone here tell me how to instal debug mod for silksong
I want to learn any% and the 2 advices i got is follow the wr vod and use debug mod

[vagrant warren]

I'd suggest joining the pinned server for the most up to date resources

[blazing jewel]

Okk

[sharp abyss]

is there a video that contains relevent tech like shriek pogo and that stuff

[vagrant warren]

Check the server in pins for the most up to date resources

[sharp abyss]

oh thanks

[analog orchid]

@solid haven

[mellow mauve]

I have no doubt speedrunners already found this before, but I just discovered something cool

https://outplayed.tv/hollow-knight-silksong/edXQok

if you need to turn around while sprinting, you can cancel the momentum with a nail swing from a crest you can use while sprinting

[faint geyser]

Hello all, can anyone help me to setup practice tools with GOG plz

[vagrant warren]

it's the same as for a steam install generally, other than it's much harder to downpatch

but if you're running latest patch then just use lumafly for mods.

and you can joint he speedrun server in pins to fup to date resources & tutorials

[wind wren]

Little surprise but from a speed run angle (5h achievement) high halls is kickin my ass im gonna reload an autosave to recover the time sunk into it (and the shards) once i have an idea of what my goal is next. Debating dipping back for thread storm since that"d help me immensely w/ the conductors but im not sure

It'd be a pretty long detour so i'd need to bench warp at the end for sure

I might like to try and not resort to that but my only other assist would be garmond which would be slightly shorter but less helpful realistically

That or i just gotta gitgud

[wooden yacht]

started practicing greenpath fireball skip

i'm sure i'll quickly get the hand of it but it's really annoying lol

[gloomy bough]

how do I make livesplit actually start when I start the game and record in-game time

[sick ledge]

Prob this
https://hksplitmaker.com/

[gloomy bough]

yeah I have the thing itself

it just doesn't start

[sick ledge]

Might help
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides/cg9vl

[olive quarry]

Does silksong autosplitter only autosplit first and last splits atm?

Or did I do dumb?

[formal bough]

it should autosplit most splits, you probably did a dumb

(like you can have a manual split but if you downloaded a split file from hksplitmaker and it didn't split on any of the intermediate ones, you messed up in setup somehow)

[olive quarry]

I first had a layout with only 2 auto splits but then got a file from splitmaker

I guess I need to create a fresh layout for that or something?

[thorn jasper]

it doesn't need to be in the layout anymore, there's a setup guide linked in the pinned server

[olive quarry]

Aha, I found a culprit! I needed to go to "Edit splits" and hit "Activate" button in there.

[sharp yoke]

I was wondering if mantis pogo is a beginner trick since I’m newish and ive been trying for like half an hour and I haven’t got it once. Obviously I could probably get it consistently eventually but I was wondering how hard it is

[hidden sundial]

With proper setup it's fine. Without it it becomes kinda annoying

[narrow plover]

How are you guys able to Speedrun this game bro

[mint mist]

find a category you enjoy and then enjoy getting better at it :D

it helps to have a community aspect too

[fiery turret]

guys how is this possible? steel soul 100% AND under 5 hours completion at the same time? is it sus like it seems or is this player just insane?

[formal bough]

I mean literally the same timestamp is impossible yeah

because you need to roll credits in act 2 before you can get to act 3

and there's %'s locked to act 3

[fiery turret]

also whats the current world record for steel heart? i cant seem to find it

[weary root]

offline mode will sync all your achievements at once

when you go back online

[fiery turret]

also his total play time is just 60 hours so...idk

seemed sus to me

i know this guy so itd be disappointing if he cheated

[formal bough]

yeah I was thinking that something like that would be possible

[fiery turret]

his last achievement before those is 7 minutes earlier tho and thats the Completion achievement

[weary root]

yeah steam achievement manager exists

[fiery turret]

is that a program that unlocks achievements for you? sorry but im not very knowledgeable about it

[weary root]

yeah you can use it to unlock achievements or get rid of them

[fiery turret]

man thats disappointing, tomorrow my guy has some explaining to do lmao

[warm solar]

Hello everybody.

Just dropped into the server. I've come with very important wisdom to share regarding silksong low%. I'm no speedrunner, nor do I have interest in that so I'm just gonna give this tech to the public. I call it "Drift Step", and it's used in low% runs. Basically you can dash without dash so long as you have drifters cloak.

Open up the cloak and immediately press or hold the dash button as fast as you can, and if you're fast enough you'll just dash, even though you don't have dash unlocked.

You can also dash from an updraft at any time.

[static umbra]

Nice find! Sadly that was ruled as not allowed in nmg categories

[warm solar]

You might be able to use it to skip fourth chorus. Have fun with this glitch and maybe even build upon it! My wifi is slow but a video is sending

[warm solar]

Somebody else found it already?

[static umbra]

Yes

[static umbra]

It was banned in nmg categories like I said, but nice find nonetheless

[stark forum]

Wait m, so you can dash

without dash

[warm solar]

The video was sending, my wifi is just slow

[stark forum]

if you spam it hard enough

[warm solar]

You don't have to spam, just press it like a frame or two after

[stark forum]

Dashless dash goes hard

[warm solar]

Its... banned

[stark forum]

so real

Man i just wanna find a community doing hitless bosses

[mint mist]

it might still be used in a glitched category, you never know :)

[warm solar]

Shit you might be able to use it in any%

[stark forum]

Low percent will see the most use out of any of it

It needs drift cloak right?

[warm solar]

Yea

[stark forum]

yee

Low percent glitched sees the most use

[weary root]

low% glitched is 11 minutes long and gets 0%

[stark forum]

actually nevermind

I look at the run and see this

and hear her screams of death 4 seconds into the fight