speedrunning

[formal bough]

this should have some good info

[merry abyss]

The only imperative tip to follow is to go to Phantom to get to citadel instead of Last Judge

Everything else is kinda normal progression

As soon as u get wall climb Pivot to Bilewater and Mist

[native prairie]

Thank you

[native prairie]

Okay

[merry abyss]

🫡

[native prairie]

Noooo I forgot about bile water 😣

[formal bolt]

does anyone have a guide to normal hk?

[marsh shell]

Yeah I think so

[formal bolt]

im a bit stuck at mantis village

[next wraith]

I’m still doin my first play through, but I found a clip out of bounds. I figured speedrunners like knowin that kind of thing.

[formal bough]

Thanks for sharing!

[heavy yacht]

I was thinking about trying to go for an any percent speedrun, is|| barbed bracelet/ Silkspeed Anklet ||worth it at all?

[deft ingot]

You don’t have to go through Bilewater to get to mist, just one or two rooms in Sinners Road with the evil soup.

[pastel marsh]

I only saved 37 seconds this run but lost almost 20 minutes to dying to lace repeatedly & Dying to the Mist Repeatedly

Went from 1:54:41 to 1:54:04

I died to weaver also so that wasted some time

So I genuinely think if I Practice Weaver, Fourth Chorus Skip (usually takes 1-3 tries but I do get it), and practice Mist & Lace I really feel I can get sub 1 hour 30 minutes

Which is my hope

[gleaming valve]

Great job, you know you biggest potential time saves which is great

[gleaming valve]

Do you wanna leave the timer with the pink background or have you thought about making it transparent?

[pastel marsh]

I hate the mist & sinners row with all my heart and Lace is honestly just nerves of the end of the run for me

[pastel marsh]

It’s good, on OBS / the recordings it’s transparent so that’s all that matters

Thanks tho

[gleaming valve]

Hahaha yeah of course no problem

[gleaming valve]

She's a pretty tough boss too ngl, how are you doing with the halls gauntlet?

[pastel marsh]

Hall gauntlet either 1 or 2 tries

But luckily any hall gauntlet deaths have been at the beginning of the gauntlet not near the end

I definitely need to work on my citadel movement up to Harpoon, once I get harpoon my movement is pretty great but before it’s extremely sloppy in the citadel

[pastel marsh]

If u do that on the right side into the door couldn’t that be a huge skip if done consistently or is the loading zone not active until after the silk heart is obtained

[knotty vigil]

is it known that ||karmelita|| can be scream skipped

its kinda precise but its possible

[deft ingot]

I believe I’ve seen talk of it in the speedrun discord

[graceful void]

i found a way to skip the moorwing boss fight, bellhart and most of shellwood.

[deft ingot]

What is it?

[graceful void]

you go through wormways and exit from the top path

then head up and you get to the end of shellwood

all you need is dash

[deft ingot]

I think that’s the route low% goes through, but the problem is you need a simple key to do it as well

Also, i think you would still end up needing to go to bellhart to fight widow

[graceful void]

i dont know if it is helpfull but i just throught itm was a cool skip

[deft ingot]

Yeah, i love how many options you get

I think low% actually does a dashless variation somehow? I don’t know how, but they completely skip silk spear+dash

[graceful void]

i think they pogoed of some enimies up there

but i still dont see how they do blast steps withought dash

[deft ingot]

Painfully I guess

[graceful void]

also why do they need to go back and fight widow? they only unlock ballhart?

wait sorry i forgot you need it for act 3

[deft ingot]

Even for act 2, widow has needolin and also a bell, so either path taken into citadel requires the fight

[graceful void]

ah i remember now been a while since going through there

[deft ingot]

Wait, this low% route is actually kinda funny, they get wall jump and then go down through bellhart to get to the right side of the bell beast arena and then go get cloak

[graceful void]

ikr

people say its to hard, ( not me) and then people do stuff like this

and this is not relevant but in the abyss, to get the arcane egg you can just use silk soar and double jump to skip the parkour

[tepid kraken]

Hey not sure if this is the right channel, but I was wondering where I could find the currently used speedrun route or if I should just learn it by watching speedrunners on youtube?

[jaunty remnant]

if a great conchfly's attack pushes u to spikes and u die, sometimes two hornets appear at the same time (like one doin death animation and another being attacked) idk if that can help with any bugs or w/e nor do i have video proof but just letting it be known if it wasn't already

[weary root]

join the server linked in the pins here

then give yourself the sliksong gamer role in that server

[tepid kraken]

okay thanks

[chrome willow]

Hi! I just recently beat HK for my first time, and i want to get into speedrunning, but my autosplits on livesplit won't work. I have tried restarting PC, i know i have to start livesplit after launching HK, and i used the HK split maker website's any% preconfig for livesplit. I'm pretty sure the timer is supposed to auto start too, but it doesn't... Help! (attached is my lss file if necessary)

[weary root]

if you go into Edit Splits and then settings in the autosplitter section, there should be a whole bunch of autosplits in the settings window

[chrome willow]

Thank you!

It uhh

It turned green now

but its still at 0

Sorry if im spamming <3

Wait i think i got it!

i gotta add stuff in here

[weary root]

if you download the splits from hksplitmaker again the autosplits will already be set up

it just loses them if the autosplitter isn't already activated

[chrome willow]

Ah

i see

thank you man!

[gleaming valve]

You know folks, I was thinking slap% would be a fun category to try out

Like, you have to slap the max amount of npcs: ||yarnaby, grindle, nuu, and the pervert flea||

[final shoal]

Is anyone doing true ending speed runs? If so- is groal skip being implemented?

[crystal marlin]

you can slap ||yarnaby||?

[shell sundial]

saw Bluesr in here so i think this is where i should post: final boss glitch i just had where if you end the first phase right as you get caught in web, hornet duplicates and becomes invisible and invincible. model stays on screen trapped but weapon animation moves around and works

[gleaming valve]

After the whole thing, talk to her a couple times and she'll do it

[gleaming valve]

You got video or any proof? That's crazy

[shell sundial]

just finished my first playthrough and that was how i beat the game. used my remaining tools n thought i was soft locked until i noticed my weapon animation while spamming. never bothered learning how to screen capture n i was kind of just amazed. then after i thought oh might be useful for speedrun?

also the tool, either the spike or the automoton is what ended the phase as i got caught in the web

[gleaming valve]

Maybe a speedrunner or router might find it useful

[weary root]

Yeah 2nd phase invuln is known

Probably going to be banned nmg though

[spark otter]

Somehow did Not realize there was a speed running discussion section 😅
So I’m putting this here too

Been workshopping a speedrun category idea called “evil percent”
It’s basically choosing the worst outcomes possible for all npcs and refusing to help unless it’s necessary to end the game

Not talking to elderbug, getting pure nail just to kill the nailsmith, saving no npcs (sly, bretta, zote, etc), getting the sealed siblings ending, killing menderbug, you get the gist

Anyone got any ideas for how I can make it worse?

[thorn jasper]

obviously kill Myla

[spark otter]

GENIUS

[sick slate]

😭

myla 💔

[thorn jasper]

[sick slate]

in my first play through I thought she was a random enemy

and I killed her no hesitation

[thorn jasper]

good

[keen salmon]

What did this myla character do

[zealous matrix]

is being 1 hour and 20 min after beating widow slow?

[thorn jasper]

depends what your goals are, how proud you are, and if you're motivated to improve

[zealous matrix]

im just trying to get to act 2 within 5 hours and be able to 100% finish it in 30 hours

[graceful tangle]

doing nkg so that brumm doesn't get to be free?

[spark otter]

YES, but make sure we talk to him first and start his quest before defeating nkg so he hates us

[graceful tangle]

:)

accepting flower quest but not doing it aswell

[graceful tangle]

GRUBS, getting them eaten.

[green condor]

Does anyone have a 100% route for under 30 hours designed to treat me like Im a baby?

Like a detailed route

[steady lynx]

Game has been out for like 2 weeks, nobody has had time to make that yet

[frosty marten]

ain't the best time, but i did it

[toxic zodiac]

Someone has had to

[mint mist]

not to treat you like a baby no

to treat you like someone who is capable of 100%ing the game without having a quarter-life crisis, yeah

[lusty prism]

hey guys can i have help?

i just downpatched but now my jump bottun "c" doesn't work in menuing anymore

im forced to use my mouse which is super super slow

[weary root]

Yeah I think patches changed how some of those controls work

Is c the default jump button?

Either way enter should work

[rain kettle]

So, aside from ||fourth chorus|| and ||sister splinter|| have we found any other boss skips?

[rain kettle]

In my opinion the main thing that will slow down most players is the hell room in high halls

[rain kettle]

I got there in 2 hours and was mostly fine

It jusg depends on how good you are at that arena, and also if you're good at the mist

Though I did also take several detours to get some other stuff before I went to widow

[graceful void]

you can skip moorwing

[zealous matrix]

I finished it in 3 hours and 50 min, 20 min is me forgetting to pause the game while crying because i kept failing mist

[deft ingot]

Technically you can skip ||moorwing, lace, and bell beast|| but the only one thought to be maybe faster right now is ||moorwing through flea route||

[rain kettle]

The mist has a few quirks, but here are some tips:
Rooms 1 & 2, as normal
Room 3, always is a right exit (coming from sinners road)
Room 4 is the hallway
Room 5, as normal
Room 6, always to the right as well

[deft ingot]

||bell beast|| is skipped in low% to skip ||silk spear and silk heart||

[rain kettle]

I feel like just beating the brakes off of moorwing is faster

[zealous matrix]

Oh thank you, i felt there was a pattern but couldnt figure out

[deft ingot]

The thing is people are theorizing a cloakless route that skips moorwing as well

[zealous matrix]

I thought cloakless got patched

[weary root]

The last room is dependant on whether you entered from bilewater or sinners road

[deft ingot]

Another thing to be aware of it that the last room is a single right exit, not any right exit. There are also some rooms that don’t have a right room

[weary root]

If bile it's left if sinners it's right

[deft ingot]

Cloakless is still possible, but now you need to get reaper crest to do a pogo instead now, which cuts out a lot of the theorized time save

[zealous matrix]

OH THATS WHY I CAME FROM THE LEFT SIDE ON MY FIRST PLAYTHROUGH

[rain kettle]

Correct

[rain kettle]

You can make it even easier by doing what fireborn calls "mist juggling"

[deft ingot]

There’s a whole Google doc with mist explanation and each of the possible rooms

[rain kettle]

Can I have that please

[zealous matrix]

I havent watched fireborns silksong speedruns yet, though its because i have only started watching him like yestersay

[rain kettle]

I just have my little notebook

[rain kettle]

He's currently learning the run still. Blue has held the WR 3 times though

The part that I struggle the most with is the hell room

I was able to get there in 50 minutes

[zealous matrix]

What his current atm? I saw that he changed the title to former on my saved playlist

[deft ingot]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wGYxE_mDfZ_Qtbs6cvcTZggTFPYTBJ9Rijno0VZkNdA/edit?usp=drivesdk

[rain kettle]

Thank you

[rain kettle]

Unsure, I don't actively watch him or anything, so probably whatever his latest run video is

[deft ingot]

I think blue’s vid is still his pb

[zealous matrix]

Amen

[deft ingot]

Current wr is this, but be aware that the autosplit timer has had some changes, so this is about a minute faster than what it should be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GUrFtMN4Zk

[rain kettle]

Is it still worth going for nail upgrade 2?

[deft ingot]

If you are trying to get wr, no. You can still get a good time with nail 2 though

Nail 2 is also just safer

[rain kettle]

Hell room takes so goddamn long without nail 2 though :(

[deft ingot]

The time lost from nail 2 just doesn’t make up for itself compared to optimal nail 1 gameplay

[rain kettle]

Agony

Also apparently beast crest can do momentum storage

And those words together make me upset

[lilac tapir]

What’s the current WR? Didn’t BlueSR just get it with nail 2?

1:03 I think

[dull falcon]

is a 2:59 path of pain good?

[deft ingot]

A few messages above that, it uses nail 1

[lilac tapir]

Oh damn 1:01 nice

[deft ingot]

With timer changes, it is about a 1:02, but yeah an amazing time

[lilac tapir]

But BlueSR got 1:03 with like some mistakes, I guess maybe an absolute flawless nail 2 run could break the sub 1 hour mark but yea probably more leeway with nail 1

[deft ingot]

The mistakes blue had were only like 50-70 seconds ish, no?

[rain kettle]

Nah he benched at architect once when he didn't need to

[deft ingot]

Yeah, but that only loses like 10s

Alongside missing chalamet skip for a while and bell beast phase skip, I don’t think there were any big time saves possible

And the timer changes adding a lot of time to the run from cutscenes/transitions

I feel like it would be very hard, if not impossible, to get a sub hour nail 2 run

[fast ravine]

Spoilered Silksong area and upgrade names just in case that's necessary here
Hey have any of you low% freaks (complimentary) figured out you can get into ||Shellwood|| before getting ||silk spear and dash||? And is being able to do that actually useful at all?

[heavy yacht]

just beat phantom 8 seconds faster than blue did 🙂 (just the boss)

[fast ravine]

👏

[weary root]

yeah low% gets 5% and does this

also you don't need to spoiler tag here

[fast ravine]

I figured it was likely known about but you never know

I imagine a better way than the way I figured out is known about

[weary root]

probably not

it farms a simple key, then does two silk skips to get through wormways without dash

then a few more silk skips in shellwood I think

actually some of those might have just been heal stalls

[fast ravine]

Only two? That is better than how I did it

[nimble drum]

Hello! Does the in-game timer stop when you hard pause with Start?

[weary root]

yes

and in inventory too

[nimble drum]

oh yay :)

wait, really? Even when checking the map? How kind of them

and that goes for both HK and Silksong?

[weary root]

ah no just silksong

inv doesn't pause in hk

but pause does

[nimble drum]

oh, ok

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863978158097563658/1354580590770520094/AFaunaNodFast.gif

good enough for my sanity

tyvm!

5h achievement here I go

[weary root]

gl!

[weary root]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwxK0DRrQ9k link to the run if you're interested

[fast ravine]

👀 ty

Oh I hate that constantly downslashing is faster than walking. I questioned when I started the game if that would be the case and I really hoped it wouldn't be

[weary root]

yeah it sucks

there are also numerable things that are faster than just sprinting which also sucks

[fast ravine]

That is tragic

[fast ravine]

Okay it's not, it is actually almost exactly how I did it

Except I'm not smart and instead of getting silk from the worms for the second heal stall in the room where you need to do two and just hitting the spikes to respawn on the platform the first one gets you to I relied on two of the little guys spawning up there, which they sure didn't always do

Was fun to figure out, not something I ever want to actually execute again

[topaz glacier]

I'm not a crazy speedrunner but here's my hk time

[formal bough]

gg

[knotty vigil]

Question
||After managing to absorb one of the dreamers, a doubt arose in me
Do I go to the deep nest now? Or do I look for the dreaming warriors? ||

[stray depot]

Wow

[sturdy cosmos]

Not sure if this has been found yet but i have found a way to get under the map

[misty elbow]

is there a silksong speedrunning discord? if so does anyone have a link?

[mint mist]

pinned server has a bunch of skong channels

[misty elbow]

ty got it

[vivid root]

So far my fastest phase 2 radiance

[fading perch]

hey guys, i just find this out, maybe someone can make this something to silksong speedrun

[lilac tapir]

How do I set up splits to start speedrunning?

[weary root]

hollow knight or silksong?

[lilac tapir]

Silksong

[weary root]

sent it in speedrunning server

[lilac tapir]

Thanks man

[sour violet]

I did some boss fights kinda quick

[sleek tree]

Hello, are there routing documentation for true ending? Or autosplits available somewhere? Cheers

[glossy atlas]

how do you attack like that?

[vivid root]

What's that spinning attack?

[agile breach]

i think its a tool

probably everytime u jump or flat in the air

(by jump i mean double jump)

[normal hatch]

does anyone know why in the TE speedrun people dont equip silkspear with threadstorm when switching to shaman crest?

[rain kettle]

Why do they switch to shaman crest at all?

[formal bough]

Shaman crest buffs spell damage

and threadstorm gets buffed significantly more by shaman than other spells

(So I imagine it's just flat out not worth it to use a silkspear when you could be using a shaman buffed extended threadstorm)

[weary root]

Join the speedrunning server (link in the pins), give yourself the silksong gamer role, and then check #ss-true-ending pins. Should both be there

[sour violet]

@glossy atlas Alternating between wanderer and sawtooth circlet attacks

[signal olive]

Are we sub 1h for any% yet?

[heavy yacht]

sorry, is there a table or some way to get the splits for silksong anywhere?

[sour violet]

I didn’t execute it perfectly in these but I’ll have to wait until they release a boss rush mode

[glossy atlas]

ahhhh, clean

[deft ingot]

I think there might be in the resources for silksong on the speedrun discord

[sour violet]

Yeah ideally you keep the usual attacking mashing speed but you sneak sawtooth circlet attacks in between them

[deft ingot]

No, pretty sure the fastest wr with new timer is like 1:02:03

[crystal rock]

do pause stop ingame time?

[mint mist]

not sure, i can tell you for certain tho real time keeps going

[weary root]

The in game timer for both ss and hk stops when you pause, for ss it pauses in inventory menus too

[mint mist]

did pausing when the full map opens kill quickmap sandwiching?

[weary root]

Yes, which is probably why they did it

[mint mist]

i’m

[weary root]

No kind of easy storage in this game at all

[mint mist]

at least we still have hk

[weary root]

I mean we still have room dupes and noclip so

[mint mist]

and mms

[weary root]

Yeah currently required to get said room dupes, which are required for noclip sooo

[mint mist]

i wonder how many people made an effort to get mms before finishing a casual

it was pretty soon after launch that they found it, right?

[weary root]

The person who found it (savy) hasn't done a casual playthrough lol

Just glitch hunting and speedrun routing

[mint mist]

that’s pretty sick 😭

[terse plume]

Assuming it will be possible soonish?

[coral shore]

I tried to mms before making a savefile
I think multiple people did the same

[honest stump]

You can skip half of the void climb in the lava chase when you get to the 2 enemies that fly that you normally need to grapple to, you can stand to the right side of the left side ground, and use the super jump ability to skip that whole section

Here, slightly left to where hornet is standing

[steady oak]

First speedrun! Time to improve haha

[honest stump]

This prob saves alot of time actually

Atleast 10 seconds, maybe 15 idk

[turbid igloo]

learning to speed run the game, lost a lot of time to both unlucky mist rng and just messing it up

[ebon bough]

is there any 100% runs yet?

[mellow mauve]

hey guys, I'm gonna start speedrunning silksong, but I've never done it before. I know there's a thing you can set up where the timer doesn't tick during screen transitions, but I have no idea how to set that up. is that something different from livesplit entirely? or is it maybe just a setting i'm missing?

[deft ingot]

If you go to the speedrunning discord, there should be a guide to set it up in the #ss-resources channel

[prisma basin]

how difficult is the 100% speedrunning achievement? my first playthrough was just under 50 hours so im thinking it might not be that difficult as long as i have a good route/list

(for silksong)

[mint mist]

it’s not very hard, especially if you do things in a sensible order

i didn’t look at a route or anything and got it in around 20h

30h is a very long time

[prisma basin]

yeah i figured considering on a second/third playthrough im gonna be way more comfortable with the mechanics and knowledgable about what's good

and just knowing the bosses better

[weary root]

Here's a list of everything you need for te:
REQUIRED QUESTS

Flexile Spines (hunt for spine cores)
Bone Bottom Repairs (bb repair 1)
A Lifesaving Bridge (bb repair 2)
Crawbug Clearing (kill crows for scarecrow)
Building Up Songclave (sc repair 1)
Strengthening Songclave (sc repair 2)
Restoration of Bellhart (bh repair 1)
Bellhart's Glory (bh repair 2)
Trail's End (shakra final quest)
Balm for the Wounded (rescue sherma)

WORLD STATE

Fleatopia
Double Jump
Lace Refight
House Key
17 optional quests completed

You can probably find a % breakdown somewhere but it's: all tools, most skills(cloak upgrades don't count lol), masks, slik spools, crests, silk hearts, Eva, and flower...

Might be something I'm forgetting

Needle upgrades

[prisma basin]

the floaty cloak and the double jump don't count?? lmao

[weary root]

Yep

[prisma basin]

that's so funny

[weary root]

You need them anyway but it's funny that they're not %

Also no bosses are % so if they're not gating something don't bother

Most of them are gating something tbf

[ionic crest]

Hey what's TE world record right now? I'm interested in running it but if it's a long category I'm not so sure

Game was awesome btw I finished it tonight :)

[mint mist]

i think i saw CC had a 5h30m ish run?

idk if that’s still wr but i think it was at the time

[ionic crest]

I'm shocked at how much you have to do for TE

The fleas alone are probably a routing nightmare

[mint mist]

||https://youtu.be/qCOcwSuvXUY?si=ebNSnKY7Ca_GuOLn||

this is the run i was talking about

looks like 5:12 with the current timer

[ionic crest]

Okay thanks I'll take a look!

I'm guessing you get all the fleas to Greymoor and then after getting cling grip you head to the Citadel from Bilewater/Exhaust Organ and ignore steps for a while

But I've just theorycrafted a bit I've not tried anything

If the run is longer than 3 hours with more optimised routing I probably won't run it though unfortunately

[weary root]

you need judge defeated to get the fleas to move there

[ionic crest]

Oh you can't skip Judge?

[weary root]

and you don't need phantom for anything

[weary root]

nope

[ionic crest]

Okay well Steps it is then 🫡

That might be better anyway I was thinking doing Bilewater and especially Groal that early would be so so horrible

[ionic crest]

So it seems like this run does Khann Karmelita and Nyleth, are those definitely the three fastest or can you swap one for Lost Verdania?

I was thinking Coral Tower is pretty time consuming and poor gear can't make it very fun

[mint mist]

i’m not really certain

[ionic crest]

Oh wait nvm the splits say Coral Tower but they opt for Verdania third instead of Coral Tower

Verdania felt like a big area casually but I think if you know where you're going it's probably not that bad... and I'd have to see the flea locations for Karak but you might be able to skip most of that area/Raging Conchfly as well if you don't do Coral Tower

[mint mist]

on my second 100% playthrough ||verdania|| went very quick, i would be surprised if there’s any reason to do ||khann|| over any of the others

[ionic crest]

If it does end up being faster I just know people are gonna rage at losing runs to those arenas

[nocturne escarp]

Hello, I saw BlueSR using a mod to let him practice specific parts of the speedrun really easily, can someone point me in the direction of that?

[weary root]

join the speedrunning server (link in the pins), get the silksong gamer role, and ask in one of the silksong help channels

[nocturne escarp]

thank you!

[elder timber]

is there a good speedrunning timer for hollow knight that I can use on mac?

[formal bough]

Yep, there's livesplit druid and an hk autosplitter wasm

[next steeple]

How does one get to clawline without|| float||

[weary root]

either be on release patch or you need to do a skip with reaper crest (and possibly flea brew also required)

[astral valley]

How to do the skip with reaper?

[weary root]

pogo the cog as high as possible, and dash into the wall
not sure if flea brew is required or just makes it easier but:
if you flea brew just before you reach the top of the pogo you get extra height which makes it easier

[astral valley]

Where do i do this? Which cog?

[weary root]

it's to the left of the architect

[astral valley]

wait, is this cog the one that activates the wind gust?

[weary root]

yes

[astral valley]

If so, im already doomed since i already activated it

[weary root]

you can't pogo it anymore?

[astral valley]

ok, yeah, ill have to get the cloak, thanks for the info

There is no cog here

[weary root]

ah

[astral valley]

probably because i activated it

sad, it was fun playing steel soul with no float. Thanks a lot for the info

[weary root]

np

[mild kernel]

Does anyone have Hollow Knight optimal Mouse and Keyboard settings

for controls

what do the #1 speedrunners use

who are keyboard users

[weary root]

everyone uses different things tbh, as long as it feels comfotable to you is should be fine

good idea to have focus, cdash, and dream nail on each on the same finger as one of your more active fingers

so like dnail on the same finger as dash, and focus on the same finger as jump or whatever

cause those three are always something you're pressing and holding while not having to do any other actions

[mint mist]

i'm so excited i'm like actually getting the hang of some of these glitches

[honest stump]

i helped bluesr with a skip in the act 3 abyss lava chase

maybe it will appear in the stream, maybe not

[digital fog]

did they fix hitting levers from under the floor

[steady lynx]

Yeah, something like that

[brazen halo]

guys i want to get into speedrunning silksong and hk but idk how to set up the splits and stuff

[thorn jasper]

right now there's different processes for each game. if you join the pinned server there are resources for each

[vapid hearth]

Tbh it's just practise and learning skips

Specifically the qca i think that's what it's called

[brazen halo]

ik i already know the run im doing but idk howw to set up the live split

[vapid hearth]

Oh

I have no clue

[terse plume]

Damn is TE really at 5 hours

Brutal

[proven aurora]

Is anyone trying to do 100% steel soul speedruns yet? I would like to help develop a consistent route to help out the community with that tough achievement

[floral cloak]

Question, who holds the wr atm?

[thorn jasper]

https://youtu.be/RqesNxVSdNo

[zinc cypress]

That is so outdated now, we're down to lile 38 minutes on Any%

[thorn jasper]

I don't even know how to interpret your shitpost to make 38 make sense

[zinc cypress]

Waiy nvm thats silksong im an idiot dont mind me

[zinc cypress]

Im an idiot^

[thorn jasper]

where did you get 38 for hollow knight

[zinc cypress]

Damn any% is at 30 min for hollowknight, im going insane, again im an idiot i glanced at speedrun.com and thought it was 38

Also any tips for acid skips, cdash never activates in time for some reason

[floral cloak]

Ty

[cunning totem]

Is there an optimal route for speedrunning in Silksong already?

[hidden sundial]

There's a pretty straightforward route that skips a couple bosses and does Mist path into citadel

But variations still exist

[cunning totem]

I had assumed that way into the Citadel is faster

I tried to plan out my own route yesterday but I was stumped with getting to stringshot or whatev

[hidden sundial]

In my head the beginner-friendly route for 5hs would be:
||Moss Grotto -> Silkspear -> Bell Beast -> Deep Docks -> Dash -> Lace -> Float -> 4th Chorus (potential skip) -> Moorwing -> Claw -> Widow -> Needle 1 -> Mist -> Phantom -> Cogwork Dancers -> Keeper's Pale Oil -> Needle 2 -> Trobbio -> Keeper Melody -> Hook -> Architect -> Conductor -> Lace -> GMS||

That said, I just started an attempt without much planification and am at around 1h in still on act 1, so my guess is that without proper planning the error margin may not be too high if struggling with low gear bosses

Not getting lost in Shellwood likely helps

[honest stump]

2 insane speedrun skips https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1419429628694495243/1419464841940307978/2025-09-22_01-23-31.mp4?ex=68d283e6&is=68d13266&hm=83e6a7336dc53bd2f59fed780cea8a9abcf637141c7e5f88cbf07b8f6c4adb81& credits to bluesr for the video, and i helped them find it

[honest stump]

Literally skips like the whole abyss escape (also invincibility was used in the video, normally you can do it the moment you get there)

[honest stump]

Also you cant mess up once, since falling into the lava doesnt give u enough time to do the skip the second time

[crystal imp]

does anyone have debug savestates i could have for act 3 bosses? trying to practice true ending but dont wanna go through the game a 4rd time :/ no godhome sucks rn

[cunning totem]

Going through the game a fourrd time sounds like hell

[crystal imp]

its getting to act 3 that i dont enjoy lol

[onyx rapids]

does anyone know a mod to unlock specific silk skills for practice ?

[onyx rapids]

@crystal imp Godhome mod on nexus should help you

https://www.nexusmods.com/hollowknightsilksong/mods/261

I recommend pairing it with the stake of marika mod so you can just respawn directly at the boss

makes for great practice

only thing I'm missing is a mod to customize mask amount and silk skills to practice earlier stages of the game

[gleaming valve]

I think getting ||5 fleas to skip moorwing would be friendlier, also getting tacks and the poison pollip to cheese the gauntlets||

BTW guys, if you pause the game the igt stops as well?

Asking for the 5 hour and 30 hour achievement runs

[robust aurora]

It did in hk, so I'm pretty certain it would in ss

Probably a pretty safe assumption to make. Not the map/inventory but the actual pause menu

[cedar shadow]

How much does mantis pogo save?

Cuz i hate it

[crystal imp]

yes it does

[median wasp]

20-30 seconds-ish iirc. I’m terrible at numbers so I might be pretty wrong.

[cedar shadow]

Thanks

Ive been learning e pogo and i hate mantis pogo after it

[hidden sundial]

Yeah 20-30s sounds reasonable

As long as you lure both the mantises you can do a lot of variants if the setup goes wrong involving damage tanking

I don't think I ever did a perfectly clean mantis pogo but I more often than not am able to at least not have to walk all the way around

[scenic pine]

Idk if this has been documented yet but the heal animation while ||cursed|| sends you up and backwards a bit, but if you turn around right before you use it you can still have it push you forwards, you gain a little height out of it. Idk if this will be usefull ever because it means going out of your way for the ||twisted bud|| quest but still its kinda neat.

[scenic pine]

silksoar from inside the lava is crazy

[hidden sundial]

That could be useful in rando eventually

That's for sure

[unreal kite]

is it really that fast to do phantom instead of last judge?

(for the sub 5 achievement purposes)

[hidden sundial]

The navigation inside city is faster from the right plus you avoid using all of the shrine benches (well, the optional ones at least)

[unreal kite]

in my only attempt so far i got stuck on the high hall gauntlet anyways I'm not used to doing it with only basic gear

i was at like 3h40 at the bench before the gauntlet

4h40 coming out of it

[hidden sundial]

I'm at my first attempt rn around 1:10 after Widow

Hopefully I don't die too much to Phantom

And yeah, I dread the moment where I have to do 5 mask HHG

[unreal kite]

in my 2nd attempt i think i'm gonna go get thread storm

[hidden sundial]

It's completely reasonable to

Losing like 2 min for QOL is super worth it for a 5 hour run

[unreal kite]

yea

i lose way more on dying to bosses anyways

[hidden sundial]

Yep

I lost most of mine in Widow and getting lost on the way to Dash & Claw

Docks and Shellwood are areas I very easily get lost in

[unreal kite]

i got lost after getting clawline

and died a fair bit to trobbio as well

[valid glacier]

I think getting wanderers ASAP is kinda worth it if you're just going for the achievement

[unreal kite]

maybe, it just needs wall jump right?

[zinc cypress]

Is nail upgrade a percentage?

[hidden sundial]

I think it is

[valid glacier]

Yes

[zinc cypress]

what is the lowest possible percentage in hk?

[hidden sundial]

I think it's 11%

Could be 10 if someone manages to do Itemless baldur without Fury

[potent sky]

has anyone made a 100% steel soul route yet?

[zinc cypress]

so i need to shoot for 11 got it

[hidden sundial]

Basically you want:

• VS or Fury of the Fallen 1%
• Claw 2%
• Dream Nail 1%
• CDash 2%
• 3 Dreamers 3%
• WK 1%
• Uumuu 1%

[bronze loom]

can you pause livesplit

[spark otter]

Hey guys, was casually speedrunning silksong to try and get the 5 hour achievement, I had sharpened my needolin but I just noticed there’s still pale oil in my inventory??

Only been playing this save for three hours

[dusk sage]

First upgrade doesn't use pale oil, maybe you didn't use it because of that?

[spark otter]

IM SO DUMB

[hidden sundial]

Yeah Sharpened is upgrade 1

[spark otter]

😅 I think the citadels getting to me

[vagrant warren]

Yes, but for a valid run there are rules on when & for how long

[lime pelican]

Who has the current wr for silksong any%? BlueSR’s 1:03:41 is noted as "former" but i don’t see any better run anywhere

[steady lynx]

Ceen has record right now, 1:01:10

[lime pelican]

Is there a video somewhere?

[steady lynx]

https://youtu.be/RqesNxVSdNo

No embed, no spoilers

[lime pelican]

Thanks a lot!

[outer hemlock]

Has anyone done a run on low percent yet?

In silksong

[formal bough]

Yep! The lowest % is 5%, and the current world record in doing that is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwxK0DRrQ9k

[outer hemlock]

Thanks so much

[forest shale]

Is there a silksong equivalent of a shade skip, just a way to gain a solid amount of height almost anywhere

[formal bough]

Enemy pogos in general are more frequent because there's more flying enemies, and cocoon skips can be used for a bit of extra height in places where you can die

[forest shale]

Thanks

[cunning totem]

Just came up with a meme category for Silksong:
OD%

• Overdose on Plasmium as quickly as possible.

[valid glacier]

You can also do beast Crest charge attack to access a few double jump areas
Like wisp thicket into underworks although I'm not sure how good that is for speedrunning

[wet pond]

what's the new any% WR?

[thorn jasper]

1:00:37 but it's not uploaded yet we just have a live split screenshot

by Delta

[wet pond]

ah, was hoping for a sub hour

[thorn jasper]

soon perhaps

[wet pond]

just optimization of current route or anything new?

[thorn jasper]

I don't think this run in particular has anything new

[thorn jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmb_QadCLlg

[wet pond]

Thanks!

[dapper shell]

does anyone have a list for the current route? (silksong)

[rain kettle]

For normal run or 100%?

[dapper shell]

normal run

[astral valley]

How to quickly farm for the fine pins quest?

[rain kettle]

Silk spear -> Bell Beast -> Dash -> Lace 1 -> Cloak -> Fourth Chorus Skip -> Greymoor -> Moorwing -> Bellheart -> Sister Splinter Skip -> Claw -> Widow -> Nail upgrade 1 -> Sinner's Road -> The Mist -> Phantom -> Act 2

Cogwork Dancers -> Second Nail Upgrade (optional, recommended if not going for wr) -> Trobbio -> Hookline -> High Halls -> Hell Room -> Cogwork Core -> Lace 2 -> GMS

[outer lion]

Does anyone know if this is the right place to post a skip I found, or if there is a diff place for that?

[rain kettle]

Probably here is good

[outer lion]

k thanks

[rain kettle]

What does it skip?

[outer lion]

Its not insanely useful, but it allows for getting that flea near the slab bellway without silk soar. Havent seen anyone else post abt it, figured if anything tho itd prob just be useful for randomizers

[rain kettle]

Interesting

It might be useful for 100% depending on how easy the skip is

[outer lion]

its easy, but since it requires faydown, i figure youd just get it in act 3 when you go back for the fatal resolve tool

[mint mist]

i figured that's just how you're "supposed" to get that flea but maybe im crazy

[rain kettle]

I don't exactly know which flea is in question here so I couldn't say

[outer lion]

the one in the same room as the slab bellway

[mint mist]

pretty sure a bunch of my friends have gotten all fleas before ||entering act 3|| so i think it's just inferred

[rain kettle]

Unfortunately, it's been like 8 days since I did my normal playthrough so my memory is fuzzy

[outer lion]

yeah i think you are just supposed to use silk soar because the skip, or at least the one i found uses the sloped ceiling

[rain kettle]

Btw, has anyone found any useful boss skips aside from sister splinter and fourth chorus?

[mint mist]

can you not just walljump double jump tho

[outer lion]

mayb i honestly havent tried lmao

oh yeah ig you can haha

[rain kettle]

There are actually a couple soar spots you can skip with momentum storage btw

[outer lion]

Does anyone know of a spot where going under the map may be useful?

[rain kettle]

I don't remember if they're useful, but I've been running around trying momentum storage on a bunch of places

[rain kettle]

I mean yeah, a lot of places. Do you have a way of going under?

[outer lion]

I mean its just a weird glitch i encountered on my first playthrough, from what i can tell its only able to work on places with a bench that you respawn at, by dying on one of the slopes in mount fay, i got locked below the ground and had to save and quit to get out. Not too sure how replicable it is

I dont have a save file without faydown rn so i cant test it but yeah

Again not sure how useful that is considering most rooms with benches are, yknow, pretty safe and stuff

and mount fay is out of the way of most things

im trying it rn, cant seem to get it to work, mayb got patched out

[outer lion]

yeah idk cant get it working, maybe tas only strat or patched out

[pastel marsh]

Silk Song ANY% Speedrun New personal best of 1:47:26

Lost at least 15 minutes on song 2 bc I kept dying from nervousnes
I didn’t die to the mist at all could’ve done it faster though
Died to final lace fight 1 time

And I died to the boss that you get parry from 1 time and lost a good amount of time to that

I think my dream of 1 hour 30 minutes is extremely achievable with more practice

[hollow cedar]

yessir 2nd run went better than my 1st, had 2 deaths to high halls, 2 to lace 2, and 2 to GM silk (first times ive ever died to her 😭) but I can def crank this down to a sub 1:30 within 1-2 more runs

[pastel marsh]

If we’re going by in game time my run was 1 hour 41 minutes and 30 seconds

Which for some reason doesn’t add up in my mind bc where tf where the other almost 6 minutes of my run

But no clue how the in game timer works all I know is my actual timer is 1 hour 47 minutes 26 seconds

[hollow cedar]

make sure ur livesplit timer is using game time

[pastel marsh]

Oh

Speedrun.Com counts in game time instead of actual time?

[formal bough]

There's:
time the game is giving
loadless time
real time

real time is the "dream", but then having a bad computer is timeloss. So, we have loadless which removes all the time the game spends loading because of bad computers

[vale hazel]

How do you preform flea route?

[weary root]

Float or no float?

[static ginkgo]

Does anyone know if there is a good 100% route for silksong yet?

[vale hazel]

No cloak

[weary root]

There's a few speedrun routes

[spring needle]

who holds the any% record right now? i saw a 1:01:12 from ceen but he already listed it as former and i can't find whatever is faster

[formal bough]

this run

[weary root]

Silk spear - bell beast - dash - flea in dash room - buy bench in room to the left - lace - flea after lace - s/q to bench - flea behind docks bellway - buy bellway and travel to marrows - bench - flea above - big ant man - flea in hunters march - s/q - go to caravan

[spring needle]

thanks

[weary root]

After that you get wall jump needolin and can do bells or mists as you please

[vale hazel]

Could I do this on current patch, I heard it required reaper but I’m not sure.

[weary root]

Ah yeah it requires reaper and flea brew iirc

And it's kinda a hard trick

[formal bough]

flea brew is vaguely optional but reaper isn't

[weary root]

In which case go get reaper after needolin

Also don't forget needle upgrade

[vale hazel]

Thx

[weary root]

I guess be warned that there's a lot of places you're going to miss float

[sudden hearth]

what's the current silksong any% best time?

[weary root]

Particularly the platforming in high halls

[weary root]

This

Or if you want glitches it's 18 minutes

[steep edge]

Is there a guide/write up on damage rotations? Want to identify the best combos

For SS

[weary root]

There's some strat posts in the speedrunning server but the game is < 3 weeks old so not that much

[meager flame]

beat silk song in 2.5 hours 🥱

[steep edge]

Is that a different server?

[weary root]

Yeah there's a link in the pins

[steep edge]

Hmm don’t see one

Nvm

[weary root]

If you're on mobile you have to click the actual message to see the full thing

[steep edge]

Got it!

Yeah that was it

[weary root]

It's terrible ui design

0 indicator that you're not seeing the full message

Thanks discord

[waxen roost]

hey

I'm not a speedrunner, but i just finished wacthing Fireborn's video on the silksong speedruns

I don't know if this is faster, but you can get clawline without trobbio (I'm in the Great Hall Guantlet, and I still haven't figured out how to get to him). I guess you need to go through the bottom right opening instead of the drifter cloak one. Again, I don't know if this is faster, but I guess its worth a try.

I hope this could be helpful 🙂

[weary root]

Yeah getting harpoon without going through trobbio means going through whiteward, unfortunately trobbio also gates something else we need so we'd have to fight him anyway

[forest shale]

How do you do the charged attack height boost?

Heard it can ve done with reaper and beast

[deft ingot]

Idk about reaper, but I’m pretty sure beast is do charge attack while grounded, then full jump and do another charge attack midair and it gives the grounded height boost

[steady lynx]

So you kinda store the grounded nart state

Very odd game

[rapid folio]

How are people moving instantly after down slashing into the ground?

[outer hemlock]

8 think if you dash down you don't get stun

Or do you mean sum else

[weary root]

if you aren't holding any direction when you finish the pogo then you can jump again immediately

if you're holding left or right it stuns you for a bit

[rapid folio]

Ohhhh i see

[silent cedar]

I'm not sure where else to post this, but in my first playthrough I experienced a glitch twice where I double jumped without using faydown, the one in farfields was without obtaining faydown. It's on switch and the farfields one is before any patches, whereas fleatopia one is on the second patch. This is probably already known tho.

[weary root]

yeah these are airwalk jumps, game thinks you're still on the ground so it lets you jump

[desert harbor]

For ||cogwork dancers|| how can I keep track of who's who after the middle attack?

Wondering if maybe the higher up one is always a particular dancer

[cunning totem]

I've charted a speedrun route for Silksong based on my own intuition and some help, and I would post it here if it wasn't over 2000x2000 px in dimensions

By the way I tried to find a way to skip 4thChorus but I couldn't

Actually I just realized the whole map I made is complete bogus

Nevermind then

[weary root]

you can skip fourth chorus btw

[weary root]

if you're interested in learning we have a lot of resources and routing going on in the speedrunning server

[cunning totem]

...what.

[dawn junco]

is anyone able to explain this

sorry about the splitter blocking the screen

[onyx rapids]

lowkey silksong is getting me into speedrunning

and I'm loving it

always saw it as an activity for higher beings but damn it's starting to look doable to get a good time

[weary root]

one of us one of us

join the speedrunning server if you like! Link in the pins^

[onyx rapids]

already joined it managed to polish my runs quite a bit with the help of the ressources in it

well not really my run I haven't done a proper run yet I'm still practicing segments but I've made save states for most of the areas I had trouble with and practiced them

I've heard cloakless route might become relevant again btw

not sure might've missread the post but I think low% runners found a way to do that 1 jump (the one that was the reason cloakless wasn't doable) without cloak

I think my goal will be to get a sub 1h30

any lower than that seems way too hard and even that seems tough but I think I can do it

[onyx rapids]

@desert harbor they always go back to their original position (if dancer1 was on right of arena it will go back to right corner) also right dancer in phase 3 always attacks first

[onyx rapids]

also what?

so you can jump after leaving the platform if you buffer it after a dash ?

might have to re practice bindless chorus skip witht that

[weary root]

Yeah I guess? Havn't done any practise of fourth chorus skip so I wouldn't know specifics

[onyx rapids]

oh ye it was forwarded

I think that's what the guy meant with the message tho

[weary root]

oh I just realised it was marcus who found this lol

when she starts doing actual runs he'll tear through people lol

[onyx rapids]

btw does anyone know a way to have save states remember your silk amount ?

I always start with an empty silk bar no matter my previous silk amount

[weary root]

no idea debug and savestates are kinda scuffed atm

[onyx rapids]

damn

don't think imma be doing the bindless chorus

it only saves like max 3-5 seconds and I'm not going for a run that's anywhere close to WR so should be aight

it's so hard to get it consistently

[lucid smelt]

When cogwork dancers do the spin, do they swap sides?

[onyx rapids]

no

they go back to their og side

(not the ones where they spawned from, the side they were on before starting the attack)

also during phase 3 dancer from the right always attacks first

so in case they're both on the same side before launching a phase 3 flurry you can know this way

and for phase 1 and 2 they should always have their own sides

[lucid smelt]

Ok got it, thanks

[lucid smelt]

Sorry just to confirm, can they swap sides after the attack where they leave then rapidly dart around the arena

[woeful karma]

i modified a file of hollow knight and modded it so I could run it on my phone, and I just got a 1h 2m speed run in math class, (my PB on PC is 42 min)

[thorn jasper]

pay attention to your class

[woeful karma]

no

[steady lynx]

Pay attention to your cat

[woeful karma]

I have a trig test tomorrow but I'll do fine

also I got a new PB for my phone

so

[dawn junco]

Teach me please

[woeful karma]

...

it took me two years to learn it because it has like a .3 second delay, and also took like 4 months just to port it to mobile

[weary root]

telling people how to pirate the game will get you banned from this server so I'd advise against it

[dawn junco]

Wait this is also pirating?

I knew there was a pirated mobile port but ig I can’t actually play on mobile

I’ve been looking for a way for a long time

[median wasp]

If you can get it to run on your phone, it is by definition piracy because their’s no actual way to buy it legally on mobile

[drowsy sluice]

is the fastest route through act 1 the same as the any% route?

[weary root]

Yes*

*bells might be faster we've found some new somewhat cursed skips

[runic compass]

I have yet to land shalame skip...

[weary root]

chalamet*

Yeah timothee is uncooperative

[median wasp]

Timothee is proof everyone gets a personalized copy of Silksong

My Timothee is incredibly cooperative

[static kayak]

is there a specific discord for speedrunning these games?

[thorn jasper]

in the pins

[gleaming valve]

Can anyone explain time passes and time passes elsewhere mechanics? Thanks

[runic compass]

Thank you

Probably the reason I kept missing, I mispronounced their name

Surely now I got it

[long portal]

Hey I haven't finished my first playthrough of silk song yet but I have run into a few glitches. Idk if these are already known and I doubt they are useful but I just wanted to mention them anyway.

[crystal imp]

It involves going to a different area ex: bellheart into shellwood, that counts as a time pass. For my true ending runs i use time passes for bonebottom to the marrow room and bellwood 2 rooms left into shellwood then save warp back to bench

[long portal]

I have survived after reaching zero health. (Idk if it was a visual bug or if was actually at zero health)

The vine enemies have once appeared to teleport me to the bottom on the screen.

The scissors enemy can dig into the floor.

[gleaming valve]

Hmmm I see, and TP-Elsewhere?

[crystal imp]

you technically dont have to TP unless in songclave if im not mistaken

im not sure if the game categorizes songclave as coral chambers or not. But i know for a fact the other 2 work

but the save quit is necessary

[gleaming valve]

Ahhhhh okay thank you

[crystal imp]

Oh I misread your message, im not sure what time passes elsewhere is sorry. I know theres a mechanic that stems on benching in different location so that might be it, but ive never heard that term

[spring flicker]

Have they patched the giant robot after float skip?

[thorn jasper]

Fourth Chorus skip should still be doable afaik

[velvet bison]

blueSR killed groal and is now half an hour ahead all of a sudden. what happened?

[thorn jasper]

how should we know

could be a reroute, could've chain died to groal in pb

[formal bough]

I think it's just being relatively clean and dying less

[fair vigil]

is this the main speedrunning server? or is there another one? ive been wanting to get into it

[formal bough]

The main one has the invite in the pins

[fair vigil]

thanks!

[ripe igloo]

Hi is there a 100% doc for SS?

Im just after the less than 30hrs ach

[lyric leaf]

mapgenie has a 100% checklist, but they want you to pay to mark more than 50 things as found

[mild kernel]

Does anyone have good mouse keyboard settings for Hollow Knight? Looking for comfortable settings, like what speedrunners might use

[steady oak]

Sub 3 hours haha, gg

Time to improve

[wild mica]

I don't know where I should upload the video where I defeat the boss of the DLC quickly because I'm not trying to do a speed run

Also I think I can't put a video as /spoiler

I have no idea because I don't use discord much xd

[formal bough]

you can spoiler tag links with || hi|| or when posting a video directly there's an eye button to cilck to spoiler tag. But also, this channel doesn't have spoiler requirements

you can post unspoilered

[wild mica]

Okay

The video is loading slowly :'v

[solemn walrus]

false knight
hornet
fungal wastes
mantis claw
go into city
soul master
grab simple key in city
storerooms stag
dritmouth stag
grab shaman stone
ddive entrance cpeak
cdash
dirtmouth stag
storerooms stag
royal waterways
defeat dung defender
grab WD hallownest seal
ismas
watcher knights
lurien
lemm sell
storerooms stag
dirtmouth stag
lumafly lantern
enter fog canyon through crossroads
uumuu
monomon
deepnest via fungal
herrah
stag to dirtmouth
HOLLOW KNIGHT

what do you guys think of this route i just came up with? trying to beat the game sub 5 hours.

[zinc cypress]

is 17 minutes a good time to get to queens station?

[vagrant warren]

If you're happy with it, it's good. If you want ro know if it's competitive you can check the leaderboard for whatever category you're running

[zinc cypress]

Im not running a category I think. Im trying to go as fast as possible for THK ending with the least possible percent w/o skips

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't needed thanks. If you're not running a category then there's not really anything to directly compare to. And we're back to, it's good if you're happy with it

[gleaming valve]

It's a good standard route for that achievement, in fact you could get a nail upgrade and some masks and still get a sub 3 hour easily with some practice. You got this!!

[zinc cypress]

Oof sorry

[outer lichen]

Is it possible to get 100% speedrun achievement in Silksong without farming rosaries off enemies? Seems like a stretch no?

[river frost]

guys ive filled out my autosplæitter but it isnt showing up here? do i have to fill this in also?

[thorn jasper]

the segments are separate from the autosplits. you need to add segments

[river frost]

oh alr ty

also how can i make the background dissapper but let the text stay?

also can i make this auto fill out?

[candid hamlet]

I'm really struggling in this skip

[thorn jasper]

you can do that in OBS with a color key. livesplit's built-in opacity slider affects the text

[thorn jasper]

finish a run :)

[river frost]

so if i want mine to look like blue's i have to use a 2nd program?

[thorn jasper]

there's some strats in the pinned server if you search ss-strats for beastfly

[thorn jasper]

I believe Blue most likely only has it transparent on the recording with a color key in OBS

when he looks at the livesplit program it is likely a solid background color

[candid hamlet]

Thank you

[river frost]

so im stuck with this ugly black one?

[thorn jasper]

you can change the color in the layout settings

[river frost]

but not transparent?

[cedar shadow]

Thats just any% without skips

[zinc cypress]

is that just an official category?

[river frost]

ís there a way to end run? i just tried practising a little and now its stuck on the timer can i end it somehow?

[river frost]

yes, any% means completing the game no matter how much percentage u have in the game in the fastest time possible

[thorn jasper]

reset the run. numpad3 by default, or right click -> somewhere to reset

[zinc cypress]

meant no skips

[cedar shadow]

Any% is indeed a official category. Its also really easy to learn instead of other endings

[river frost]

what is numpad3 on a 60%

[river frost]

any% is also no skips i belive

[cedar shadow]

The only skip you have to do is the greenpath hornet reach skip

But you can just go all the way around

Skipping false knight shouldnt be considered a skip

[thorn jasper]

there's no "no skips" category

skip is subjective anyway

[river frost]

NMG?

[thorn jasper]

nmg has acid skips still

[river frost]

btw how can i hide how many tries ive done?

[thorn jasper]

and epogo

[river frost]

thius little annoying thing

[thorn jasper]

yeah edit the title component in your layout to remove it

[river frost]

btw when i open ip livesplit again do i have to open both splits and layout from file? or is there a way i can make both load from the same one

[zinc cypress]

any thing widely considered skips, i.e acid skip or blue lake skip

false knight has a built in bypass which isnt a skip

[thorn jasper]

on the splits settings there's a "use layout" option that you can set

[vagrant warren]

pogoing you shade is built in, so what makes using it a skip? It's all arbitrary opinion

[sacred thunder]

the squit pogo in greenpath and spire pogo are the most intentional looking skips ive seen
there is always the possibility that TC is very oblivious to that sort of stuff, but they patched in the cg2 skip and like only that one, so methink they are mostly fine and potentially responsible for a lot of the skips in hk

[solemn walrus]

just got this time on my first proper speedrun!

[rain kettle]

Nice! Did you got for needle 2 route or needle 1?

[mint mist]

that’s hk

[pliant bolt]

Can anyone link or tl;dr the "Garama and Fourth Chorus" skip this guy mentioned? About to try getting the speedrun achievement and I'd like to see what they are but I can't find anything on them

[hidden sundial]

4th Chorus is essentially just dashing out of the arena and floating to a platform to the left

I mean not sure of what the actual tech is, but that's the concept

[pliant bolt]

Okay, thank you

[hidden sundial]

I don't know which is Garama tho

[static umbra]

Garama skip is the sister splinter skip to get cling grip without fighting her

[hidden sundial]

Chalamet is an enemy pogo on Sinner's Path

[shell dust]

…

Does he know?

[rain kettle]

I see now that is a hk speedrun

[shell dust]

Yeah lol

😭😭

It’s okay though it’s valid to mess up the two games seeing as they’re the same series

[pliant bolt]

Is there a way to copy a save file? Like if I get to a point in a run where I'm happy with my time gain and all that but if I'm dying too much in a section and I know I won't make time, I can just go back to the previous save state?

[formal bough]

Yeah, several ways

You could use the ingame revert feature, if you want

Or you could go to the save folder and manipulate that

[pliant bolt]

That's a thing?

[vagrant warren]

in silksong it is, not in hk

[formal bough]

oh wait are you talking hk

[vagrant warren]

people really ought to preface everything since this channel is shared but not many do

[surreal cypress]

is there a dedicated channel/server for speedrun strategy discussions for silksong and with more guides and such?

[formal bough]

look at the pins

[surreal cypress]

I’m in the other speedrun server already. Maybe I’m blind, but I don’t seem to see anything where silksong strategies are discussed other than here. Is there some additional steps I need to unlock more channels or am I missing something?

[formal bough]

You need to get the silksong gamer role

[surreal cypress]

Ahh okay perfect, thats really cool. Thanks!

[steep raft]

Silksong.. following any% via Mist for just the 5h speedrun achievement. Got first needle upgrade @ 1h3m, I hope that's a good pace because I know it's gonna get harder from here on out. Had to (chose to) do a fair amount of savescumming to skip FC/SS bosses

Hoping I'll figure out which things to add to any% route with the extra hour(s) of fudge time to make it easier, Needle 2 and unlocking more benches seem obvious but I need to not burn 30 minutes trying to find money

[onyx rapids]

speedrunning the mist has me in a misty mood

[crystal imp]

Practiced high halls arena for 2 hours today lol

[weary root]

There's nothing major to spend money on anyway, both the first needle upgrades don't cost anything, so benches and fast travel are good things to spend it on. You got this

[hidden sundial]

Make sure you have money when going for Clawline

Walking out without the Ventrica is awful

And farming there to get it is way worse

So far what killed most time for me was Mist anyway

And was at 1:16 after Needle 1

Had a million dumb deaths and still on pace for sub 5 anyway

So don't worry too much

[steep raft]

oh, i'm not afraid of the mist at all, I probably can avoid dying and beyond that I don't care if it's 5 min or 10 min to get through. Good tip on the ventrica money
hmm, I'm debating whether switching to Wanderer's will give me good value for the time loss..

[short goblet]

do yall think cofy's insane new skips are maybe viable for speedruns? im thinking like wormways w key > shellwood & greymoor, get captured in greymoor to get to the slab & get double jump in act 1, then with double jump go back to greymoor and get to act 2 via wisp thicket, skipping the mist and phantom and sinners road n stuff, and i think double jump will be able to skip clawline too

im not a speedrunner and i dont know all the discoveries being made so this is just a random spitball lol (first time talking in this channel)

[minor quest]

dont think you can get double jump before act 2

[short goblet]

cloakless, clawlineless

[minor quest]

need the clawline for mount fey

unless someone already found a way to do that without it lmao

[steady lynx]

How exactly do you enter upper cogwork core without clawline?

[short goblet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC9LS9KuCJo

[short goblet]

oh good point

[minor quest]

wow

[pearl pier]

no way constrive cynicism is here

his tas run was so cool

[short goblet]

thats basically a lock forcing you to clawline lol that sucks

maybe skipping far fields and sinners road + mist will still be worth the slab + wormways + wisp thicket?

at the very least itd be cool if it becomes a niche speedrun strategy, cofy% or smth lol (still getting clawline ofc)

kinda like ismas route in og hk but this time wisp thicket route

[minor quest]

is there a good key anywhere

dk if getting 500 rosaries then running back to bone bottom then up to wormways is viable

[short goblet]

idk

i think theres just bone bottom shop, sinners road, sands of karak, and songclave shop

damn thats sad

mosshome has some decent rosary gain and so does deep docks

[weary root]

I just want tou to appreciate that this video is 12 minutes long while cutting out a lot of necessary soul grinding

[short goblet]

would require a bunch of bellway routing too

[weary root]

It's very slow

[short goblet]

aw man

maybe in an alternate universe then

[weary root]

Very cool but it won't be used for speedrunning unless we're requiring specifically act 1

[short goblet]

yea thats fair

[weary root]

Which people are talking about "all bosses act 1"

[short goblet]

i didnt have high hopes but its still something super cool i wanted to see what yall thought of

[weary root]

Which because of this would now include groal and first sinner

[minor quest]

i wonder about routing through wormways though since you skip cloak and moorwing and lace 1

if theres quick rosaries anywhere the detour might be worth it?

[short goblet]

there are a lot of quick rosaries in deep docks and mosshome

might be able to get 500 over time

if you take things a bit more carefully

no bonebottom quests tho

[minor quest]

actually can you even get from the bottom entrance of wormways to the top one without claw

maybe if you pogo on the worms

[short goblet]

why was flea route abandoned again? couldnt we always play on the earlier patch and just cope through double damage cogwork core

[short goblet]

hmm youre right actually

i dont remember those rooms well enough

[minor quest]

not too familiar with that route but moorwing is a pretty quick fight i cant imagine fleas would be faster

[short goblet]

youre skipping far fields and some rooms in greymoor (i think theres an arena)

at the cost of getting some fleas

5 i think

[minor quest]

oh yeah

i forgot they take you straight to greymoor

[short goblet]

they also give you flea brew without much sidetrackign i think which could maybe be used for some bosses

unless that adds in a whole other complication with shell shard routing

[steep raft]

I've sussed out that "flea route" is not related to getting 5 fleas and moving the caravan but rather it is about skipping float/cloak and using flea brew + pogo to get through underworks without float/cloak
... and that you can use 5 fleas to skip moorwing in both the "flea route" and also the "cloak route"

[steep raft]

The way I heard it, the flea brew + pogo (cloakless) route is still possible after patch 1, but it needs reaper crest, and it is harder / less reliable and doesn't save much time versus just getting cloak
I would assume people don't want to building runs around old patches when the game is still very new

[fiery flame]

Hey all! Im not a speedrunner myself but I enjoy watching Speedrunning content! found an insane bug that could maybe be something in the right hands? Im able to reliably recreate it, but havent tested much with it(idek where to begin). Would this be the right place to post something like that?

[rain kettle]

Yes absolutely. Please explain in deteail

[fiery flame]

Gonna make me buy nitro to share the video lmao... Basically, this can only be done in act 3 so Spoilers But essentially, I was in the blasted steppes, standing on a ledge nearby some of the dangerous worm ground that eats you when you fall into it. I used the UP + needolin to get brought back to the fast travel. and when it dragged me underground, I hit the hurtbox for the ground I was standing over. It damaged me over and over till I died, but when I revived at the bench, I was clipped half underground. And when I stood up, I fell through the map. screen went black but I could still hear my attacks and use the silk harpoon and tools. And when I checked the map sure enough I fell all the way through! I have no clue how this could be used but it seems pretty huge

Ill see if I can upload to youtube or something and share the link idk what the rules here are for that

[rain kettle]

Just upload the video, totally fine

[formal bough]

I think that's known?

[rain kettle]

No yeah

I meant like use youtube

It's fine

[fiery flame]

im uploading it to Youtube 1 min 🙂

[formal bough]

I know the damage is

[fiery flame]

https://youtu.be/Bi0aqoEuRM4

[rain kettle]

This is probably a potential out of bounds glitch, but I don't know how useful it will be if its act 3 exclusive

I'll maybe do some tests when I get home

[fiery flame]

I tried this a couple times and it worked each time. Havent seen yet if it triggers anywhere else or how to break out of the black screen, i think its just cause none of the rooms are properly loaded

[fiery flame]

I feel like if you could find a way to somehow get your character underneath the worms without up needolin you could maybe get this bug to happen as early as wormways?

but idk ive never really found a bug like this and tried to really mess with a game before, so idk how to go about trying to break the game haha

[formal bough]

okay double checked it is known, still nice find

[fiery flame]

Ah word ok! where can you check for known bugs?

[formal bough]

I checked in the silksong glitched discussion channel in the speedrun server

[fiery flame]

ooh oki, Im excited to see if anything comes out of it 🙂

[weary root]

wr is only 4 minutes

[spring needle]

has the record changed hands since delta's record yesterday?

[steep raft]

I did the exact same thing, I was on the ground right underneath pinstress when it happened. I had to force-quit and that's right when patch 1 released... when I started back up w/ patch 1, I couldn't repro. but I would not be surprised if it's still there

[dry turret]

Yo, Can anyone send me the speedrun discord link in dms?

[static umbra]

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1039743031043178606/pins2.png?ex=65b083a8&is=659e0ea8&hm=99e49a3bf5bf82b5411cfab9c1b9b6163246c36233a3d1ff982e4c5dbcc2cb4c&

[dry turret]

Goat

[nimble drum]

(Silksong) Hello! If I collect all ||fleas||, could I make the ||caravan|| move straight from ||Greymoor to Fleatopia||?

Hoping that I can skip a certain boss that's right in the middle, lol (||no Last Judge in 100% run||)

[steady lynx]

Nope, they need to stop at each location

[nimble drum]

well, flintslates needle

thank you, guess I know what I have to do now

[sour violet]

Another day, another Sawtooth Circlet tech find. You can do grounded sawtooth circlet attacks with jump jump+down+dash. This means even with slower crests you can add sawtooth attacks in between each hit without wasting any of the attack cycle. Each attack in this video is a combination Sawtooth and Reaper attack

[onyx rapids]

(ss) what's your least favourite boss to fight in the any% route ?

[sour violet]

With Hunter it's not necessary and you can manage two sawtooth circlet attacks for every three attacks like this. Pretend that black iron gate post is a staggered boss

input done is jump+attack, jump+attack left-right, jump attack

jump+attack from the ground to gain height from the ground while starting an attack

jump+attack in the air to activate sawtooth and attack at the same time

press back then forward to jiggle the double jump sawtooth hit box around, so it hits lower

then end with a cloak then an attack, not at the same time, since cloak locks you out of your attack for a tick, unlike double jump

cloak before the attack cooldown ends so you waste no time

I do it a little cleaner and lower here

[rain kettle]

Damn, beat my pb by like 5 minutes. Congrats

[zinc cypress]

Can someone advise me?
I've been trying to learn acid skips, unfortunately CDash always seems to take 2 or 3 seconds on the wall before it activates? I don't know what Im doing wrong.

[mint mist]

practice without the acid, it could be that you’re pressing it too early

[zinc cypress]

do you know the exact timing or is it just a skill you aquire?

[weary root]

also if you're too high on the wall for like qga for example you can't cdash because there's not enough wall to cdash on

[tired mauve]

did the cloakless route get patched?

[thorn jasper]

a wall jump in underworks that skipped an otherwise required cloak was patched. (allegedly unintentionally). apparently reaper can do something to make it up that path so cloakless is still possible with that

[tacit bronze]

Not a speedrunner myself but curious

Why don't speedrunners just farm these guys in low% TE even though they respawn everytime you enter the room & die from crystal dash

[weary root]

these require dive

[tacit bronze]

Tru

But wouldn't it be worth it instead of farming millions of bees?

[weary root]

low%

[tacit bronze]

oh yea lmao

[weary root]

[river frost]

what does all these colors mean? ive been trying for a few runs on silksong but i have only seen the yellow one

[weary root]

the yellow one means that's the best time you've gotten on that split

green means you're ahead of pb
red means you're behind pb

[river frost]

do i have to complete na whole run for there to be a pb?

[weary root]

yes

[river frost]

oh alr and then i can see my previous times right?

[weary root]

yep

[river frost]

ty

btw what language should i set it on for it to be faster? does it have to be a specifict like japanese or chinese or just one with the characters?

[mint mist]

simplified chinese

two clicks left of english

[river frost]

its france two clicks after english

[weary root]

press the left button

[river frost]

nvm found it u meant left

i thought it meant left click mb

[mint mist]

everything reminds me of pale lurker tutorial

[steady oak]

goal: at least sub 2 hours

[river frost]

Guys how to perform 4th chorus skip?

[river frost]

What about heal version?

[terse plume]

Cofy's vid on getting to act 2 via thicket is very funny

[uncut wigeon]

So has anyone run low% yet, just curious

[terse plume]

But idk what category it could really be useful for given you need to go out of your way to get beast crest, the silk charge and fayden cloak lol

[formal bough]

Yes, several people

https://youtu.be/KI_y4VFK_oA is the wr

(5%)

[terse plume]

All of these seem pretty hard mandatory

Unless there's some trick to avoid killing phantom discovered

[weary root]

this must be an old picture of bellhart cause the wishboard is in the wrong place

[steady lynx]

I think it might be from an old trailer

https://youtu.be/yQxwbZsL14Y&t=77

[terse plume]

I like that low% TE got even worse after someone discovered you didn't need double jump for it

meaning you could no longer kill Lost Kin to reduce the essence grind

is upper bilewater truly inaccessible without the double jump, even with beast crest/cocoon tricks?

[weary root]

there's nothing to die to in that room

[river frost]

how to do heal version fourht chorus skip

[river frost]

how to make livesplit stop when pausing my game?

[formal bough]

for a submittable speedrun, you are currently not allowed to pause the timer manually [such as when you pause the game]

[river frost]

oh. not even it pausing when loading like when save scumming?

[formal bough]

There's high potential for break rules to be implemented, but that would be in the main menu

Is your timer not pausing at all?

[river frost]

no

[formal bough]

It should pause for a fraction of a second during loads

[river frost]

it doesnt

[formal bough]

Have you downloaded a .wasm file and fed it to livesplit

[river frost]

yes

[formal bough]

followed all of these steps/

[river frost]

how to compare agaisnt game time?

[thorn jasper]

right click -> compare against

[river frost]

ty

[mint crystal]

heyo speedsters

[river frost]

any tips for the fly skip to silk spear? i cant seem to get it to right postiiton

[weary root]

the one in silkspear room?

[river frost]

yes

[weary root]

stand on the little platform and taunt, when it starts to do it's charge you can jump right to the next platform and then immediately jump left and it should be in the perfect position

[forest shale]

Rly basic question but are there any hard skips to beat the game without float?

Also whats faster, marrow->greymoor->shellwood->blasted steps->citadel, or marrow->greymoor->sinners road->mist->underworks?

[formal bough]

yes, you need reapers crest to do it on current patch

on release patch you could just do it

[formal bough]

it's up for debate still tbh, but rn most speedrunners are going with the latter

[wispy moss]

theres seemingly a route in the works that gets faydown cloak in act 1 without clawline and then gets into act 2 through wisp thicket

but i dont think anyones done that

[forest shale]

Oh yeah, i forgot about that option

Also i think i mixed it up, which part of the citadel does the mist lead to?

[crystal imp]

grand bellway

[wispy moss]

mist goes to phantom boss which leads you to grand bellway

[forest shale]

Thats nice

I was worried for a second that it would lead to bilewater

[forest shale]

Wait how does reaper crest help with skips?

Heard about it but never saw it

[wispy moss]

if you do its charged attack it gives you a vertical boost kind of like double jump

but its bugged, its not supposed to work in the air but if you do it on the ground first and then jump and do it again it gives you the vertical boost you would normally get from doing it on the ground which effectively gives you double jump

[forest shale]

Interesting, thank you

[steep raft]

I thought it was just a longer-range pogo so it can be a taller bounce, and coupling that with an air stall from flea brew while moving upward, it gets enough height to make that one underworks jump without floating up

[spiral scarab]

did you guys discover any spaghetti codes yet?

[median wasp]

See above. Yes, the code is still spaghetti.

[spiral scarab]

cant wait till see that in a speedrun

all I've seen so far are legit

which i hate

[steep raft]

Silksong patch 1.0.28714 shipped yesterday... haven't seen any details still, other than 1 claim it nerfed some late thread storm damage

[devout timber]

does anyone know if there's a savestate mod or smth

[vagrant warren]

For which game? Hollow knight yes, silksong maybe but you won't find it here yet

[devout timber]

ah, it was for the latter

gotcha ty

[median wasp]

There is a save state mod. It’s primitive, but it functions. You can find it in the pinned server

[zinc cypress]

Im ashamed to say it took 42 minutes to beat THK, But my first speedrun attempt

Got it locked in now (thk not speedrun.com lol)

[hidden sundial]

It works but it's definitely not viable for Any%

Since Mt. Fay + kidnapping takes forever

[zinc cypress]

dont ping colette lol

[spiral scarab]

you forgot the 51s in yo name

[errant plaza]

This is my fastest run ever

[zinc cypress]

Im at max characters

[steep raft]

2h42m51s

[distant sentinel]

From where can i learn the route for the speedrun

[turbid oxide]

is there any way to get livesplit on console? or a way to stream with it active? im looking to stary running but cant figure a way out

[formal bough]

Livesplit won't work on console, but you can speedrun using real time and in HK there were dedicated boards to make up for that

[turbid oxide]

ahh thank you, i’ll look into it and see if theres any boards for silksong like that

[onyx rapids]

either there's a document on the speedruning discord, or just watch a speedrun and follow along