speedrunning

[static umbra]

I mean if u happy with the time then that’s all that really matters

[echo rune]

yall is it worth getting a few masks to beat the hollow knight tryna get the speedrun achivement and i am like 4h in but no extra masks and 1 nail upgrade and no spell upgrades

[brazen bear]

If you're going for 8 hours it's completely worth it and so is getting spell upgrades

[bitter jewel]

Lumafly has an option to launch without mods. What's important that in the menu you don't have the modded icon and api. Then it counts.

[bitter jewel]

practise thk fight on another save file.

[desert vale]

ty!

[bitter jewel]

np

[tropic dirge]

not sure if this is a good time for 112% SS but im pretty happy with it

[neat swallow]

i just downpatched my game to 1.2.2.1 and whenever i start a new save or quit to menu the game doesnt register any inputs from my mouse until i go into settings - keyboard and then go back out of menu, anyone know why

[steady lynx]

Mouse binds are notoriously broken on older patches. To remedy, use either blue.exe #822611561427370054 message or turquoise #822611561427370054 message to map mouse buttons to keyboard inputs. In game, bind the keyboard inputs to actions

Those link to chats in the speedrun discord

Invite in pins

[neat swallow]

thank you!

[dull hare]

Hello all I'm trying to get the speed runner achievements for hollow knight and I would like to know any tips or tricks to help me without having to go to youtube

[lean steeple]

Um limit things that arn't needed like charms

[dull hare]

Yeah I figured that but I know theirs more to it than that

[lean steeple]

Avoid fighting 'not worth it" enemys

[hidden sundial]

Your focus is to get Dash, get Claw, get Dream Nail (fastest way is with Blue Lake shade skip) and rush dreamers.

[lean steeple]

what he said

[dull hare]

Alright then how exactly do I do the blue lake skip

[thorn jasper]

?tag 5hour

[river axle]

No tag 5hour found.

[thorn jasper]

heck

[hidden sundial]

I suggest you check the guide in pins here

[dull hare]

Alright thanks

[hidden sundial]

It will be more detailed than whatever I get to explain here

[thorn jasper]

if you're on mobile it's cut off in the first pin

[dull hare]

I'm not on mobile I'm on xbox

[thorn jasper]

I meant on Discord

[dull hare]

Alright my bad

[thorn jasper]

no worries have a cat

[dull hare]

Alright thanks here have a cat in return

[thorn jasper]

kitty!

[eager thorn]

Another one

[plucky kite]

Reese

[weary skiff]

more cat

[hushed mica]

Is this the right place to ask a question about the low% speedrun?

[static umbra]

Yes

[hushed mica]

I was going to ask if the grub scenery near flukemarm's arena would be an effective place to do the essence farm, but then I remembered you need dive to get to it

[static umbra]

U should specify low% true ending next time since just saying low% usually refers to the lowest percentage for any% ending

[hushed mica]

Good to know

[dire hamlet]

which one is the version speedrunner go on ;-;

[static umbra]

for nmg usually its 1.2.2.1 or 1.4.3.2+

here are some differences between the two https://docs.google.com/document/d/12CO5OmCc2T0UE4L63nUIroBmRdpH-vTBiP_xMGOjpEA/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.xk0jp0m7nui

[dire hamlet]

aight thanks

does anyone know when 1.2.2.1 was released or the manifestid of it

[static umbra]

if u r on steam its just one of the betas

?tag steambetas

[river axle]

Verify that you are using the correct installer and patch!

• For normal modding you should use a current patch installer (such as Lumafly or Scarab) and you must have Steam Betas set to "None"
  • Pirated copies / Unofficial ports are not supported
• Modding on 1.4.3.2 using "Mod Installer" / "Mod Installer 2" is no longer supported.
• 1.2.2.1 Modding does not have an installer.
  • You can type ?tag 1221 for info on it.

How to check your Steam Beta options:

[static umbra]

just look at the instructions in the image

ignore the rest of it

[dire hamlet]

oh ok

[dire hamlet]

aight thanks

wait are the saves gonna be different? like the saves for 1.2.2.1 and the saves on my current patch one

[static umbra]

the saves are going to be the same. just dont open ur latest patch saves in 1221

i would suggest making backups

just in case

[dire hamlet]

aight

thanks

[sharp abyss]

are there any keybinds that help or is it just whatever you like

[vagrant warren]

Mostly just personal preference

[pliant ferry]

i just use a controller for my keybind

[frank plank]

does explosion poggo still work on current patch?

[sturdy glade]

kinda

you can't pogo the explosion but you can still do the skip

[frank plank]

I'll go practice it then

thx

[static umbra]

Just make sure u r practicing the correct method, 1221 epogo is not done the same as latest patch epogo

[frank plank]

I'll watch some videos on how to do it

[jagged ravine]

im running rlly fast rn

[drowsy sluice]

anyone happen to know roughly how long it takes to go from crossroads hot spring to queen's station with dash and claw

oddly specific but

[jolly holly]

fellas i need some tips on this skip

[bitter jewel]

practise the timing with infinitew soul debug mod

trying to chain abyss shrieks midair without loosing hight helped me figure out the timing. then just replace the next abyss shriek by a nailslash + jump pressed at the same time. (while looking down)

[mint mist]

lrt or rta

[drowsy sluice]

lrt

cause this is duo any% routing

also wow I've never seen you before

must be old here

[mint mist]

joined today

idk why i have image perms

some call me the messiah

[drowsy sluice]

too good for new knight role

[bitter jewel]

it must be glitched because I defenitly never saw him here

[mint mist]

join date doesn’t lie

[mint mist]

is shrumal ogres prekilled

[drowsy sluice]

no

can you pre kill them with itemsync

[mint mist]

shaman?

[drowsy sluice]

yes

[mint mist]

i can just time with the kill

[drowsy sluice]

wait actually I'm not totally sure but probably

[mint mist]

won’t be optimal but

[drowsy sluice]

I think shaman is being gotten sometime during this segment

Wait no def shaman

[drowsy sluice]

yeah sure

tysm

[mint mist]

i’m getting a little under 1.5 minutes

from transition exiting hotspring to queens stag bench with shrumal ogres and levers

first 1:22 then 1:25

i’ll admit movement down from crossroads is really cursed with claw, so there’s probably optimizations

also it’s probably in the run’s best interest to route in sporg seal, but i’ll leave that up to you and your duo

[drowsy sluice]

hmm alr

[drowsy sluice]

currently the route includes dirtmouth seal instead

since one of the runners benches in dirtmouth at the start and warps there after claw

[drowsy sluice]

thanks tho that's a huge timesave

this route replaces a 3:20 split

[mint mist]

i’d imagine that sporg seal is faster than wellic if you’re routing this in

[drowsy sluice]

wellic is crazy

but i guess that makes senes

[drowsy sluice]

do you know how long fk full kill is over skip btw

[mint mist]

i’ve only done a couple runs that full kill fk

but it seems about 45 seconds slower if you skip crest and geo chest

very roughly

[gaunt shell]

why is the disparity between the #1 and #2 TE speedrun so large

is stratsus that cracked

what could he possibly do to be nearly 2 minutes ahead of second place

[bitter jewel]

the run is a year newer so maybe there are new strats?

idk

[mint mist]

stratus is also cracked yes

stratus has been running te nmg for years and years, and he’s single-handedly pushing the category down by so much it’s crazy

[bitter jewel]

but its crazy how the diffrenz between first and secound place is larger than between 1221 and lp

[mint mist]

well any% is different bc it’s popular

but yes it’s a big gap

[bitter jewel]

its also a shorter run

alot shorter

[lime bridge]

Is this a good kings pass time idk the exact version but its a lil older been running for about 3 days now

I wanna start nmg soon too

[vagrant warren]

If you're happy with it, it's good. If you want to know of it's competitive you can check some speedruns on the same patch as you

[lime bridge]

Idk my patch ik its older cuz i can open the inv freely and some bugs are still there but otherwise idk it

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't necessary thanks. You can see your patch on the main menu (and will need to know it in order to presumably submit eventually)

[lime bridge]

Ok

[warm mirage]

Hi guys, I'm currently speedrunning Path of Pain for fun, but it seems the autosplitter I got from the HK splitmaker website does not end on it's own, it starts and transitions just fine but it doesn't end at all. Any help would be appreciated!

[thorn jasper]

if you have qol installed it prevents the flag from being set that the final split reads. most runners use minisavestates instead which can be found in the pinned server

[warm mirage]

OOH thank you so much!

[low sonnet]

Guys I finally finished the Speedrun achievments

[mint mist]

gg

surely that means you should try speedrunning now

[cunning totem]

I've been wondering this for a while now, why do speedrunners play the game in Chinese? It's probably the obvious reason (i.e. faster dialogue), isn't it?

[mint mist]

yes

[sturdy glade]

yeah that's literally it

text mashing is just faster

[mint mist]

also chinese condenses more words into fewer characters but that’s only part of it

[cunning totem]

And naturally Chinese condenses it further than Japanese because Japanese uses individual syllables + entire words

[mint mist]

mhm

but also for a non linguistics reason as well, it just mashes faster i think

[sturdy glade]

that's why it's faster

[formal bough]

This is any% lemm dialogue timings

[sturdy glade]

Yeah french is ass

[mint mist]

yippee

[formal bough]

(well, whatever any% was 5 years ago)

actually wait this is from 2017 [and reposted in 2020]

whatever any% lemm was 8 years ago

[sturdy glade]

I wonder if I could consider using Japanese ball knowledge

[mint mist]

wdym?

[steady lynx]

It's also pretty slow for speedruns

[silver flower]

Does anyone know how to give my speedrun timer a transparent background?

[sturdy glade]

so it is ball knowledge, good to know

[mint mist]

please explain i'm so curious

[sturdy glade]

goonabomber

[mint mist]

urban dictionary cleared literally nothing up

[steady lynx]

Goonabomber is an account that joined the speedrun discord and was mildly funny for a bit

[mint mist]

did they use japanese for speedrunning or smth

[sturdy glade]

In the any% tourney

[steady lynx]

Yeah, they joined a tournament but they weren't allowed to be restreamed to the community twitch channel, so they did some funnies

It was totally not an alt of TK3 btw

[sturdy glade]

Of course not that would be ridiculous

I don't know how to describe it but it felt uniquely like tk3 shitposting over anyone else

[hidden sundial]

It feels faster because each character is bigger in average, but I wouldn't say it's a non-linguistic reason

Was expecting a bigger diff between Spanish and English tbh

[mint mist]

that makes sense

[candid sinew]

hi i wanted to start speedruning is there any good tutorial

[vagrant warren]

For the most up to date resources join the server in pins. You'll want to pick a category before a tutorial can be recommended

[mint cipher]

first time trying to speedrun hk

33 mins on the game on my nintendo

what does that equate to if i actually used the speedrun timer

messed up hornet ledge skip in greenpath

just wanna know best routes so far

planning to get claw then shaman stone dream nail city watchers then ismas and then dreamers

no experience apart from videos

[vagrant warren]

There's no speedrun timer for switch, runs just use real time

[mint cipher]

damn

no estimates i can use

[mint cipher]

so stopwatch ig

[vagrant warren]

Most people, and the verifiers, just look at the recording time

[leaden root]

ohhhh i'm silking it, i'm silking it (first time attempt, huzzah!)

[warm mirage]

I'm using minisavestates to speedrun path of pain, but loading the save sometimes causes my character to just start floating, only way to fix this is to leave the game and come back. Anyone knows what could be causing such an issue?

[thorn jasper]

do you load the save state too quickly after taking damage?

[marsh thorn]

silking it is crazy

[dry cobalt]

?

[fresh sequoia]

Is lever skip in watcher spiral patched?

[dry cobalt]

?

[fresh sequoia]

I can't hit it for some reason

[thorn jasper]

yes those lever skips are only on 1.2.2.1

[fresh sequoia]

Dang why 😭

Is it easy to change it to that ver

And does anything really get changed in that version or is practically exactly the same

And is that the version current any% speedrunners still use?

[thorn jasper]

yeah it's on steam betas

[thorn jasper]

there are some other small glitches like inventory drops

[fresh sequoia]

Well I'm not steam

I have the game on pc game pass

[thorn jasper]

for the most part any% nmg uses it yes

[fresh sequoia]

I see

[fresh sequoia]

👍

[fresh sequoia]

Is it still changeable or no

[thorn jasper]

idk about game pass

[fresh sequoia]

Might have to buy it on steam just for that reason xD

[thorn jasper]

current patch has separate leaderboards if you don't end up being able to down patch

[fresh sequoia]

Ok

[thorn jasper]

that grammar sucked but you know what I meant

[fresh sequoia]

Yessir

Thanks for the help

And yes I'll have to buy it on steam

What a drag

And the sale just ended as well that's just my luck

Where would I got find the strategy for my version ?

[static drum]

how much time does the fireball skip save in greenpath, ping me so I see it please

oh

[mint mist]

over what? squit skip, or going around?

[static drum]

yeah

instead if going underneath the path

I am kinda new to speedrunning

[mint mist]

i’m not sure but i’d guess around 2-3 minutes?

[static drum]

ah ok

I dont have the 20 hour achievement lmao

but I wanna speed anyway

like half the time at least

my first playthrough was probably a lot longer I cant remember

[mint mist]

you should just learn the squit skip instead of the fb skip

it loses a bit of time but it’s better than going around by a lot

[static drum]

oh wait thats the one I did I think

Isnt that the same place where you could do the three fireballs?

Where hornet runs into

first time

I got dash an hour in my save

[hidden sundial]

Yeah

Fireball skip is around 10-15 seconds faster than squit but getting either is the big time save.

[static drum]

ahh

[robust axle]

What's faster? Bench warping to Shaman after the dreamers or waiting it out and going to Fungal through Fog

[mint mist]

quitting out/warping to mound is faster to claw

[robust axle]

K

[rain jetty]

is there a guide somewhere on how to do instawings consistently?

[bitter jewel]

If you quit out right after dash U don't need to watch the dreamer cutscene

[bitter jewel]

Just press jump twice within like ~ 4 frames. That's all there is to it.

[robust axle]

I know

[latent gate]

Why can't we speedrun real life to get silksong faster

[frail quest]

punching a wall when below a table skips 1f, use 9.6 5 hour energys to superboost your arms for endurance, then as you punch, start pulling back, that starts glitching your hand back and forth, makng you hit the wall every 2f, so 1f back, 1f forward, then skips the next frame bc of the punch.

so you skip 1/3rd of the next few days

[mint mist]

or fly to a better timezone

it’s time travel

when i flew to the US i arrived 2 hours before my flight left, so the process can surely be reversed

[frail quest]

start flying eastward on a private jet , bring a table, start punching the airplane wall

make sure to have multiple people doing this to stabilize the plane, having just one person might make you noclip outside

[mint mist]

If you take damage and interact with the in-flight entertainment while you hazard respawn, you can retain control when you take off. If you cancel your flight as your flight is taking off and exit the plane, you can consistently get noclip

[hidden sundial]

Bash your head and fall into a 1d coma, you wake up closer to Silksong

[mint mist]

advanced strats

[mint cipher]

fast hands yk

[stiff sandal]

could someone help me with learning to speed run hollow knight

[mint cipher]

uhh

i started yesterday

so

u rush vspirit

then dash

then claw

then do the shade skip in to grounds and buy shaman

take elevator to city

do watchers spire

then deepnest or monomon

u can get ismas using the skip

or beating dung defender

get to deepnest through wastes bit near queens gardens bit i think

then beat hk

[stiff sandal]

that is a lot

[mint mist]

there are guides on speedrun.com and in the server in the pins

before going too far you probably want to decide on a category to speedrun

any% and all skills are both pretty beginner friendly

well

any% used to be

[umbral sand]

Any tips for watcher knights in a beginner's route I'm really stuck on these guys

[astral adder]

those skips where so cool

[thick summit]

Try to stay focused on one at a time, or aggressive, as soon as you get hit you use the little time when you are untouchable for spam. GL

[umbral sand]

Thx

[thick summit]

Hardest boss for begginer i think

Too much ennemis

[stiff sandal]

use no clip

[umbral sand]

That's against rules

[stiff sandal]

i don’t think so🧐

[mint mist]

depends on the rules :D

it’s not against the rules that allow it

[steady lynx]

If you don't specify a ruleset, how will people know what you mean?

[spring flicker]

Can I get a sub 2 hour time with a ddark route?

And how hard would it be?

[thorn jasper]

yes sub 2 is perfectly feasible with ddark. its difficulty would depend on your experience so I can't answer that

[spring flicker]

Im kinda bad

[hidden sundial]

You can try it

Sub 2 hour gives a reasonable error margin

[spring flicker]

My best is a sub 50 min crystal peaks

[bitter jewel]

~4 attempts to get from sub 3 to sub 2

[bitter jewel]

yeah ddark route is the easiest when going for sub 2

[spring flicker]

I did beat steel soul in 3:40

And that was the same route but I got nail upgrades and mask shards

And went really slow

[bitter jewel]

Your ready for sub 2 I think

[mint mist]

just like knowing what you’re doing next is enough for a sub 2 any%

[spring flicker]

Idk if i should do ddark or any%

Ddark only helps for wk

Ima just practice wk without ddark

[hidden sundial]

If you get good at VS wk/thk just go for standard any%

It's way way faster

[maiden wren]

Wasnt clean but i got a new PB of 2h49m so thats nice.

[latent veldt]

i have a question for the kbm speedrunners, do a lot of people just use solo keyboard while playing or is it majority mouse and keyboard

because im starting on keyboard from controller and can understand both methods but have no clue which is used more

[vagrant warren]

you might want to ask in the pinned speedrun server, more active runners there. My guess would be more on straight keyboard but I could be wrong.

[latent veldt]

ah perfect, was looking for a speedrunning server but couldnt find it. thanks a bunch!

[bitter jewel]

that came uip in the speedrunning server not too long ago most are just keyboard. But a few mouse players also. Mouse only makes sense with at least 1 extra side button everyonme agreed on.

if you know how to drag or butterfly mouse is probably an advantage but that poijnt is debatable. It can be better for text mashing and is better for instas but other than that its preferenz

[patent lichen]

i have this unfinished project where i named every room in the game

if i do continue it, are there any room names that everybody agrees on?

[formal bough]

What, exactly, everybody agrees on means is up to definition

In the rando 3 era there existed https://github.com/ManicJamie/HollowKnight.HKTranslator/blob/master/HKTranslator/Resources/TranslatorDictionary.xml as a mod

[knotty gorge]

how do i make mkb binds work on 1221?

[formal bough]

join the speedrun server [invite in pins] to see the links

[knotty gorge]

thanks

[grave rampart]

some tips for acid skip before uumuu?

[scenic lintel]

Super random question that a friend of mine had, is GPZ not in the godhome ending speedrun?

Since it doesn't require you to unlock him as the one optional boss and all iirc

I wouldn't think one is required to go out of their way for that but I thought I might as well ask lol

[formal bough]

112% All Pantheon Bosses needs it, but yeah just Godhome Ending doens't

[scenic lintel]

Yeah got it

[meager pewter]

What’s the fastest 100% time?

[small pagoda]

any pure vessel super aggressive speed kill clips?

[static umbra]

run by suscat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRDTCI2GiKo

[small pagoda]

hahahahaha amazing

[rigid sandal]

i've been trying to more or less copy a speedrun on youtube (one that someone has commented over) and they're saying queen's garden acid skip is almost the hardest skip. is it worth it to even attempt as someone who never speedran anything (other than celeste) ? my safe is at almost two hours and i still need to get the herrah mask. (sort of related to that, where would i find a guide made for the current version of the game ? i don't want to downgrade to an older version)

[median wasp]

QGA only saves about 40s if you are willing to skip it

[hidden sundial]

Yeah QGA is kinda hard and doesn't save that much time - specially on latest patch

[rigid sandal]

why am i just now noticing that i could have looked at the map to see how much it is saving in time. perhaps i've been sleeping too little considering it's 5am already

thanks tho. i don't think i would have tried speedrunning the game if it wasn't for beating p5 a bit earlier than i expected. i thought i'd spend my time on that before silksong releases

[hidden sundial]

In fact, the optimal latest patch route doesn't even get CDash to do it

Buuut that route is very harsh so I'd recommend standard Any% with Spore Shroom route

[rigid sandal]

where do i find guides for all those routes ? is there like a common website for speedrunning ?

[median wasp]

Speedrun discord. Link in pins

[rigid sandal]

i see. i'll check it out tomorrow

[median wasp]

(see also ;any for Any% 1.2.2.1 NMG Resources)

Any% 1.4.3.2+ NMG

• See ;shelbyguide and ;lumafly for setup and installation on latest patch.

Isma's Tear Route

While the optimal route, this route features an unforgiving set of skips to acquire Isma's Tear. Not recommended for beginners.

• https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=any-1432plus-isma

Crystal Heart Route

This route more closely mirrors the 1.2.2.1 Vengeful Spirit route and is the most popular.

• Klapudo tutorial
• https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=any-1432plus

Other Routes

• Spore Shroom, requires 1.4.3.2 for broken THK damage. https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=any-1432plus-spore
• Shade Soul, sacrificing time for boss fight comfort. https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=any-1432plus-shade-soul

This has some helpful links

[formal bough]

There are also skips a lot harder than QGA; QGA is in use unlike a bunch of harder ones. There is the shade fireball qga variant which is for randomizer uses only (not speedrun) and that one is one of the hardest skips in the game

[hidden sundial]

Oh yeah QGA is harder than other Any% skips but there's way more cursed stuff around

[placid dirge]

would anyone be able to share their splits for their speedruns? I want to get into this, and I heard I should use other peoples splits to make things easy to compare

nevermind, I just looked at the previos message, LOL

[old widget]

has anyone ever got a sub 30 any% nmg

nvm just checked

i wonder if it will ever happen now that silksong is coming

[steady lynx]

Silksong will likely slow down the attention Hollow Knight gets for the first couple of months, but it'll even out again eventually

There's also the possibility of Silksong speedrunning being so boring that people go back after a week, but I'd not bet on that

[old widget]

i doubt that

just the movement alone looks so fun

haven’t seen very much combat but im sure its amazing too

nothing against the knight hornet is just much more mobile

[steady lynx]

I wonder if the mods are fine with spoilers being posted in this chat, I'd really like to see people posting fun strats they find here

[thorn jasper]

I would hope there would be a separate silksong speed running channel

[steady lynx]

I'll just ping @potent mountain and check then

[sweet pier]

Finally under one hour

[unborn lodge]

Does anyone know what site or app speed runners use to time themselves. I'm talking about that green colored timer that has previous player speed run times that's usually at the top right corner of their videos

[hidden sundial]

That's Livesplit

[unborn lodge]

Thanks

[hasty portal]

Anyone have a solid guide that mixes steel soul 5 hour run and 20 hour 100 percent all in one?

[hidden sundial]

I'd do Any% with DDark route into cleanup for 100%

Ignore Godhome, don't do Flower Quest and you still have some 6% margin to spare very long stuff

[hasty portal]

Ddark a person? @hidden sundial

[bitter jewel]

No

It stands for descending dark

Nerthul referred to the route that goes to dnail through peaks and gets ddark on the way. I would also recommend doing that.

[random onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/silk-song-waiting-hope-dog-my-peabody-gif-15141683682113506156

[pastel mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-git-gud-hollow-knight-gif-487380231553167495

[near crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/the-end-destroy-meteorite-gif-24614959

average earth 09/03/25 11:59 pm

[steady lynx]

About time

[sturdy glade]

good thing after silksong was accidentally deleted leth was home sick and had an old copy on his pc

[steady lynx]

As a final fun fact about this game, the acid Unn is in doesn't actually require Isma's tear to swim in ||On early versions of the game||

[sturdy glade]

No more fun facts EVER

[steady lynx]

All the facts from now on will be boring

[tough relic]

Thank you gusten for this fun fact

[steady lynx]

On patch 1.0.0.6 there's a single mossfly that sprouts out from a mosspile like how mosscreeps do sometimes

[sturdy glade]

Thanks goasten

[sharp vector]

hi guys i did a great run on path of pain today... but i got rejected by speedrun.com beacouse i used the debug save states instead of the minisave states i shoud use...

i don't know were to download the mod or how to use it

can someone help please

[thorn jasper]

see above

[sharp vector]

thank you

[thorn jasper]

feel free to join the pinned server if you need help setting it up

[sharp vector]

tou mean general 1?

[formal bough]

The speedrunning community has moved to its own discord server

The invite to this dedicated server is in the pins

[sharp vector]

oh thak you

[gaunt parrot]

does any one know what the valid run is for current patch

[vagrant warren]

you can check on speedrun.com

(because I'm not sure if you're asking for rules, or for WR, or something else)

[bitter jewel]

real

[eager stump]

Does anybody know if there will be a Silksong speedrunning channel when it comes out or will this one be used for both ?

[formal bough]

This one will be used for neither, as the main speedrunning community is in its own server, but probably used for both

[eager stump]

Oh wait, I didn’t know that, I’ll go look for that one too then, thx

[formal bough]

Search far and wide and you might be able to find it ... in the first pin

[eager stump]

Ok

Thanks

Lmao

[grave rampart]

Some tip for acid skip before uumuu? I'm not getting it (sorry for my english)

[molten falcon]

just out of genuine curiosity, how fast have some of you beaten 112%?

[formal bough]

In preparation for silksong (not having played HK in months) I did a fast 112 playthrough which clocked in at about 8 hours; not a speedrun since I intentionally didn't get nail upgrades till godhome and didn't use a route but I don't think I've ran 112

if I was nebula I'd be able to say in 2 hours and 49 minutes but I am not nebula

[molten falcon]

8 hours is still incredibly impressive

[summer frost]

We gassed to speed run silksong

[plush tinsel]

Im really not super great at the game and im not sure if this is the right channel but in lieu of silksong im trying to beat my best times on the pantheons and was really trying to get under 8 minutes, told the guy watching me that if i got so much as 7:59 i would be happy and lo and behold

[abstract sequoia]

Congrats :D which patheon was that ?

[maiden sandal]

Does anyone know if it’s possible to get a speedrun timer (for hk specifically) on steam deck?

[blazing herald]

is the version of float that gets you into a wierd slow-falling state banned in nmg runs?
follow up question: is the only part of the run where cdash is STRICTLY required for archives?
because if its not can you not just glitch across?
(idk if this is done in glitched catergories or not im just messing around right now and dseeing what happens

[mint mist]

getting float intentionally to save time is just against nmg ruleset

but even in glitched runs you wouldn’t need it bc you would noclip through the floor of the uumuu fight if you ever went to archives

[blazing herald]

which catergories is it allowed in do you know?

[mint mist]

nmms and all glitches

[blazing herald]

ahhhh

well thats annoying

would you happen to know if theres a catergory extension perhaps that allows glitches, but not clips?

[warped helm]

Hey y’all? Quick question. I’m a new runner for NMG any% 4.3.2.1 and about 20 minutes into the run, I’m getting destroyed by watcher knights. I’m usually chill with them but not when I’m this underpowered. Any advice??

I have VS and Shaman Stone equipped

[blazing herald]

if you need you can go get nail 1 with help from lemm, but otherwise i cant help im sorry

[warped helm]

Not a awful idea but it’s kinda out of the way. Might help with practicing the rest of the run after

[mint mist]

noclip is a glitch, so no
maybe there’s a glitched run that doesn’t get noclip but i don’t know of one, since roomduping without noclip is awful

[analog pawn]

almost every NMMS run on 1028 doesn't get noclip

with all skills being the exception

1.3+ all main categories get noclip at least and probably pretty much all meme runs too, since 1028 just tends to be faster if a run is short enough that getting noclip isn't worth

[mint mist]

gasp

[cunning totem]

What does the A in QGA stand for? I know QG is Queen's Gardens

[shell spindle]

Acid skip

[cunning totem]

...huh.

[turbid patio]

Its just acid, and it refers to the acid, not the skip itself

[foggy prawn]

You can practice them in the hog, with debugmod to reduce your lives to 5 and your nail to 0.

[waxen nimbus]

whats yall fastest times beating the game?

[hidden sundial]

Ngl I always considered it as Queen's Gardens Access

[dry cobalt]

Hey!, I wanna say, pls don't speedrun SS today or for these two weeks, just enjoy the game!

[hidden sundial]

Too late, I already time traveled and did

Silksong wait skip time warp variation I like to call it

[dry cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/why-persian-room-cat-guardian-but-why-trendizisst-anyaboz-gif-2156104475561014590

[thick summit]

Hello, SS speedrun, does anyone know how to make the glitch or you pass through the roof of the house in the village of ants?

[steady lynx]

You need to use text storage to cancel a spikethrow attack to get noclip

Alternatively use bench storage to fall out of bounds when entering the room

[sturdy glade]

boob hehe

[south herald]

Silksong and this Channel

Until otherwise stated, all Silksong-related content must be in Spoilers if posted in this channel, and the post must indicate why it's tagged (ie "Silksong related")

Messages sent that are not tagged will be removed

[latent gate]

I GOT IT

PB 3 MINUTES

[near crescent]

steam crashed for me 🥀🥀🥀🥀

[latent gate]

sucks to suck
Peace

[shell peak]

Farewell chat. Time to dodge like Neo for a week

[jagged lance]

I finish hollow Knight silksong 🤡

[plush quartz]

Hello, today I will speedrun buying Silksong

[grave veldt]

Great!!!! Silksong finished 😅 😇

[old widget]

;-;

[oak ivy]

[old widget]

how are you guys getting in

my steam wont even let me add funds to my wallet

[lean panther]

Smae

[robust shuttle]

i beat the game already

too easy

[spiral gulch]

Its so peak

[wraith trellis]

As written in the pinned messages, please spoiler tag all silksong content

[scenic nymph]

I completed silksong guys

See i cant even play anymore for how fast i did it..

[spiral gulch]

Oops mybad

[naive cargo]

Just did a side by side - early game movement in speedruns is gonna be annoying https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/1n8dkpc/silksong_speedrun_strat_darting_is_faster_than/

[cloud jungle]

Anyone recorded the buy% speedrun?

[woeful sorrel]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338948357584060416/1413196045042847855/skip.mp4?ex=68bb0ce1&is=68b9bb61&hm=9f7549344b53caa54b0129f4f37a8fca9273cb87900eb2c453774ade57224483&||

[dusty cobalt]

yo guys is there a different speedrunning discord server or is this it?

[exotic wigeon]

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1039743031043178606/pins2.png?ex=65b083a8&is=659e0ea8&hm=99e49a3bf5bf82b5411cfab9c1b9b6163246c36233a3d1ff982e4c5dbcc2cb4c&

[exotic wigeon]

or something, theres the main server there

[latent gate]

Got a 3 minute pb

[cunning totem]

Why do speedrunners call these "frogs"? I swear, it's almost like they try to speedrun their speech

I'm asking this here for 2 reasons: no image perms in other channels + I've only heard speedrunners call these that

[exotic wigeon]

because they jump and look a little like froggs

and its easier to remember than loodle

[cunning totem]

But Loodle is funni :(

Also I think they moreso resemble spiders

[sturdy glade]

they jump around is why

[bronze remnant]

Since the silksong chat is completely impossible to use I’ll ask here - I’ve spent like 40 min now trying to get to a place early and I’m going crazy. Could someone who has gotten further into the game tell me what’s there if I post a clip so I know if it’s worth for me to continue trying or not? Can be in pm to avoid spoilers

[south herald]

No

[bronze remnant]

No?

[plush quartz]

has anyone beat silksong yet?

too late the game is over

[void axle]

is this already discoverd it works bei jumping and qickly dashing if its not discoverd i would call it bunny hoping

it some kind of quick dash

[azure tide]

I just came here for thst exact thing

I’m wondering if it’s faster than just normal sprinting

[void axle]

a lot faster

[atomic narwhal]

do any of you know good WASD keybinds for silksong? I'm struggling with it

[dusty dagger]

Is there mms?

[formal bough]

Yep

Not ||ingame mms (yet) but you can room dupe by loading two files in||

[formal bough]

this might be a very safe strategy, but it's definitely slower than just fighting normally

cool strat though

also, spoiler tag the video

put || on both sides of the link

(this feels more like a strategy you'd use in no hit or smth than speedrunning)

[outer parrot]

||https://medal.tv/games/hollow-knight-silksong/clips/l2rjDWgMTF3-newNg?invite=cr-MSxXeEIsMzk3Mjk1NzM3||

[outer parrot]

that makes sense, thanks

[feral kiln]

this boss was NOT hard enough to incite this treatment 😭

[empty anvil]

debatable

[forest summit]

Did anyone else talk about the dash cooldown workaround? It’s insane for the speedrun and honestly really easy

[fickle comet]

You can jump on spikes lmao

[onyx bronze]

I dont know if this is already found but you can use your heal to stop your downwards momentum and save some of your horizontal momentum, I'm guessing it'll come in handy for some early game platforming

[open drift]

forgot to spoiler it

welp

||are you able to do the same skip again with the other flying enemy but this time ur above the platform||

YEA I DID IT

YIPEE

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK WAS AFTER THAT ROOM

I freakin died

did it again

[thorn jasper]

these are my keybinds. note that ; is my right ring finger and ' is my right pinky finger. also note that I haven't unlocked whatever ||Harpoon and Needolin|| refer to so I'm not sure if those are comfy yet

also

• ||I'm able to press the button for Challenge and it does an animation but I haven't needed to use it||
• ||the binds for Map, Journal, Crest, and Tasks aren't super important because they seem to just be shortcuts to those panes in the inventory menu||

[thorn jasper]

please spoiler tag area names (see pinned message)

[sacred galleon]

can anyone help me with a mission cause i cant find a colectible

[shell spindle]

Any skong speedrun yet chat

[sand glen]

I finished in 7h 5m

[scenic nymph]

You finished the game already?

[wooden grotto]

technically yes, but for now speedrun.com for Silksong is closed for 1 month to allow people to casually play through the game

[dull edge]

who finished the game i want to see

[true palm]

i finished

[sacred galleon]

yo constructive

[true palm]

or well i beat it im not finished

[sacred galleon]

can you help me

[true palm]

w/ what?

[sacred galleon]

@true palm

vc cause its a lot to tell

[true palm]

oh i haven't done all the missions yet

[sacred galleon]

no mission for now

[true palm]

so i dont think i'll be much help

[sacred galleon]

i gave up on it

i need help with the grapple

[true palm]

if you're talking about the one spot, ||it seems like you jump higher out of a sprint|| (minor ability spoiler)

also should still spoiler stuff here

[sacred galleon]

mb

wait lets vc

so i can explain what im lookin for

@true palm go dms

[formal bough]

This is not the place to talk about it

plus this is untagged silksong spoilers

making it doubly not the palce

[spare fractal]

oh sorry i guess, it is my first time here plus english isnt my first language, where can i ask if not here then?

[formal bough]

Please delete the message [or spoiler tag its entirety?], and you could try asking in #sk-discussion probably? since #sk-help isn't open for a week

[spare fractal]

oki thanks

[forest summit]

Just replying to this bc I haven’t seen anyone talk abt it yet.

If it’s actually a no I can explain it

[formal bough]

are you talking about ||jump dash spam?||

[sacred galleon]

did anyone here beat ||the judge||

if so can you give me some tips

[formal bough]

This is the speedrunning chat, not the silksong help chat

but [since you spoiler tagged at least] uhh ||I found that what was damaging me the most was just being greedy with the circle attack; everything else doing a pogo to get to her other side or just being aware of my positioning was enough||

[sacred galleon]

mb

[forest summit]

Yeah but ||pressing jump and dash at the same time||

[sacred galleon]

can anyone that finished the game dm me cause i need some help

[wooden grotto]

I was experimenting with this. ||I was jumping dashing then sprint for a moment before jumping and dashing again. Is it really faster than just sprinting?||

[thorn jasper]

can you spoiler tag silksong stuff here, see pinned message

[wooden grotto]

oops mb

[forest summit]

||its much faster without sprinting in between. You can just press jump and dash at the same time every time you land||

||I also found that you can dash right before you land from a jump and immediately dash again the middle of the first dash. Hella fast but I couldn’t chain it consistently even though you can also jump out of dashes.||

||might just be a faster way to start bunny hops(?)||

[hidden wave]

I just fund that by doing a diagnol pogo and dashing sends you really fast might be helpful

?

actually its good for enemy platforming

[forest summit]

Yeah it carries decent speed I’m gonna do more testing today. It doesn’t seem faster than the tech we were talking abt above tho

At least not in every situation

Some falling situations definitely faster

[hidden wave]

Yea that would be the best scenario

[forest summit]

But you can dash down so idk

[hidden wave]

I'll mess around and see what areas it could be useful in

true

[forest summit]

||Top of grotto when getting the berry? Not for any% but for 100%||

[hidden wave]

I haven't unlocked every area though:(

True

[hidden wave]

Really helpful for that

[forest summit]

||That’s the best area for testing vertical stuff so far, I’m not too far in the game tho so idk if there’s something better later||

[hidden wave]

Yea

[forest summit]

Make sure to add spoilers when talking abt the names of bosses and areas

And add spoilers to images

[hidden wave]

oh idk how

[forest summit]

Put || at the start and end of what you are spoiling

[hidden wave]

ok

[forest summit]

Like I can spoil ||these three words|| or the entire thing

And for images you have to click the eye before sending it

Can you delete that one and resend it as a spoiler please

[hidden wave]

wow really helpful

yea doin it rn

|| And in the Room before moss mother you can pogo and enemy to go up faster ||

there you go

[forest summit]

W

Yeah that’s pretty helpful for routing which a lot of people are working on rn, I’m gonna start helping if I need to after I finish my first playthrough

I’ve found a couple of places where pogo is really good bc hornet’s goes higher than the knights

[sacred galleon]

@true palm

can you help me get ||clawline?||

can anyone help me get ||clawline||

[hidden wave]

||By using the sting shards at forge daughter you can also throw the shards around to hit enemies out of reach but it would be hard to route i think ||

[hidden latch]

I dont think this may help in terms of speedrunning, but you can get without cling grip up there

[hidden wave]

I mean you might be able to pogo the enemy up there out of a jump and go somewhere?

[hidden latch]

yeah, you can proceed to a further area, but you will need cling grip later in the game, so it makes no sence doing this in a speedrun

[hidden wave]

True I'll experiment on that when I finish my first playthrough

[hidden latch]

me too

[deft blade]

Found a small skip

When fighting ||Splinter sister||

If you damage her enough during the phase 2 transition, you can skip the two enemy spawn and get more hits in

I managed to get it via needle hits and ||thread storm||

It only works if you hit the stagger zone during the phase 2 transition

And by staggerzone, I mean when she staggers after a certain amount of damage

I did not manage to record it though

You might also be able to do it during the phase 3 transition

But I'm just guessing

Since it worked for the first one and they look identical

[hidden wave]

Instead of ||thread storm|| could ||sting shards || work?

[deft blade]

Maybe? I got it by accident, my guess is you would need to deal enough damage before she goes back into the ceiling

So you would need something with high DPS

Also I can't test right now cuz I don't have sting shards

[gaunt parrot]

Have yall found any silksong skips yet

Because i found one

And i want to make sure im the first

To find my skip

[thorn jasper]

if you post it be sure to spoiler tag it like the pinned message says to

[gaunt parrot]

K

Im uploading it on yt first before i post it here

[deft blade]

Please let me know if somebody manages to replicate my skip

[gaunt parrot]

can you even put the spoiler tag on videos?

[thorn jasper]

after uploading the video there should be an option before you post the message

[gaunt parrot]

k

this is it

[nocturne vault]

got up here with only ||dash|| dont know if theres anything important here or not

but it seems ||double jump|| is intended so could be useful

nvm forgot you could get up here lol but it could save time over going around the long way

[thorn jasper]

spoiler tag this please

[nocturne vault]

oops sorry

you could probably also get up there with nothing

[sand glen]

Yeah

[modest badge]

has anyone thought about completely skipping cdash in a speedrun outside of isma's tear route

[formal bough]

The problem is getting to monomon inside teachers archives

to be able to get to monomon without ismas, cdash, or wall cling storage [because you're not allowed to use that to do something you can't do] you need wings and sharp shadow [which means shade cloak too]

so if you want to complete any% in a timely manner you need ismas or cdash

(it miiiight be possible to do a lot of ooma core manip to get there, but a) you'd need to dreamgate out and that's 900 essence so slow and b) nobody has managed to tas that yet so it's not known to be possible)

[nocturne vault]

you can get up to the ledge above ||halfway home|| with a bounce off of the crow. I dont know if this is useful because I hit the ||lever that removes the ground up there|| but I couldnt find another way up there yet so may be useful

[thorn jasper]

this is an English server, and silksong stuff should be spoiler tagged in this channel

[modest badge]

if u were to find a way to get to monomon without cdash or ismas, would you be allowed to do wall cling storage?

[median wasp]

Technically, but any other way is way to slow, and ooma core isn’t human viable so even if it was theoretically possible it wouldn’t allow wall cling storage because it’s not humanly possible.

[formal bough]

ooma core also doesn't help with the way out

ooma core only helps on the way in; the way in is more reasonable than the way out

[dawn trail]

If the ledge is steep enough, it seems to save a tiny bit of time to jump after running off the ledge to cancel the fall animation

I assume there’ll be some kind of double jump like in Hollow Knight but I’ve not gotten it yet if so :p

[gleaming cloud]

Not sure if this count as speedrunning but i found an interesting bug in the Trobbio fight. Not sure where else to post this. If you know of anyone who has discoered this first just let me know and i will credit them!

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAQaXzG5aMw||

[dawn trail]

Just annoyed me that she stutters a little bit before falling off small ledges and found it by accident lol

[dawn trail]

Yoooooo

[gleaming cloud]

Enjoy lol

[gleaming cloud]

Feel free to repost and all that.

[formal bough]

I mean with the amount of people that are playing this it's hard to say any one person is the discoverer of something

I encountered this bug 2.5 hours ago myself

[gleaming cloud]

Ah I see. Good to know

[formal bough]

does it end if you win the fight?

[gleaming cloud]

It probably ends if the firework despawns

Since thats what's triggering the loop

If you hit a load zone or if the firework despawns it'll probably end. I dont have the patience to find out though. Still trying to finish the game!

[rugged sandal]

Guys idk if someone invented it too but I found something very interesting. (It works only if u have the dash in Hollow Knight Silksong) Instead of dashing normally, you have to jump and then instantly dash like that you will go much faster

[queen hearth]

So this part in the marrows early on (right below where you first meet ||Shakra||.) Has anybody gotten up there with just the flying bug yet? I tried a few times but hornet just wouldn't grab the ledge

[rugged sandal]

What the

This is strange

[queen hearth]

I ended up going the normal route and knocked the shortcut platform down

[rugged sandal]

K

[rugged sandal]

Did someone know that ?

[dusty dagger]

Have any major skips been found?

[exotic estuary]

(mid-game area spoiler | movement tech)

||Don't know if anybody has tested this yet, but I times some movement, and it seems chaining Jump-Dashes togeather is faster than running||

[formal bough]

no unspoiler tagged silksong messages here please

[keen pewter]

What ?

[lean steeple]

spoiler your message

[keen pewter]

Ah

How do we do that ?

[formal bough]

?tags

[river axle]

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[formal bough]

?tag spoilers

[river axle]

🔹 Ensure Discord’s spoiler tagging is used around spoilers (please see the pins for what is allowed, this changes between both games).
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🔹 If you have sent an untagged message, you must either edit it to include spoiler tags or delete it.

[formal bough]

videos you can't edit to be spoilered iirc

[keen pewter]

Oh

We can’t do with vod

[formal bough]

yes you can, just do it while posting

?tag imgspoilers

[river axle]

🔹 All spoiler rules also apply to images of in-game content. To tag an image, follow these instructions: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/349116318865424384/1048068304801120336/HK_Discord_Spoilers.jpg

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[formal bough]

(same with video)

and yeah iirc I've seen that exact wall before lmao

[keen pewter]

Ok

[true smelt]

so i skipped ||lace|| and went straight to ||widow|| by ||using the key in the shop and going trough the worm area||
do you think it's worth? you still need ||dash|| however, so you can ||get the rosaries for the key along the way|| and if you still need some you can easily ||farm 25 rosaries in less than a minute by doing the loop around the bench near the station if you miss some||

[keen pewter]

That’s ok ?

[deft blade]

Has anyone managed to replicate my skip yet?

[true smelt]

oh and let me be clear, i wasn't trying to speedrun or anything, i was just playing the game normally and accidentally found myself fighting a boss that's quite a lot further in the achievement list

also, i don't know if it's necessary for the skip but i was using the ||wanderer crest||

[inland loom]

May you ping your skip, pls?

[topaz grove]

Beaten the game?

[steady lynx]

Worst speedrun I've ever done

[topaz grove]

How much percentage did you have?

[steady lynx]

No clue

It doesn't show for some reason

[topaz grove]

I see. Well, I’m curious to see what the route you think should be.

[steady lynx]

I wanna get 100% completion before I worry about the route, but my intuition is saying it'll be a difficult speedrun, at least any%, I'll be focusing on the 100% speedrun route though since I feel like that'll be more interesting

[queen valve]

is there a godhome to practice bosses and where do you get the floor spike tool I was thinking of using that instead of the saws for my run since the saws have a hard time with flying opponents

[forest summit]

There’s a faster way to chain them, press both buttons at the same time when you land

[tall perch]

Silksong flight glitch, got it in ||act 2 against Trobbio||. Idk how replicable it is or if it works anywhere else, or if it persists when moving to a new zone. I believe I got the effect by hitting the projectile that's also glitching out on the ground in the video. I was constantly moving up by default, and could move down by dashing in that direction. I was not able to attack while dashing during it, but also some things that should have damaged me just did not.

[forest summit]

Someone else said something abt it earlier, seems to be going around. Only way to take damage was ||tornadoes|| I believe, and there was a a way to slowly do damage I think as well, some people are tryna figure out if it works outside of that fight as well after the boss

[tall perch]

Yeah only the ||tornado ||did damage. And I probably could have done slow damage to beat him by just diving down and hitting him on the way back up when I'm not holding dash.

[forest summit]

Spoiler ||tornado|| please

It would be cool if that was useful outside of the fight as well with how verticle some sections seem to be, and would also be cool to see if it works with other projectiles

[tall perch]

Got the glitch again so I can try testing it. Not sure exactly how the glitch happens, this time I ||did a diving attack right as he was launching the projectiles, and that caused it, with 2 of the projectiles being effected by the glitch.||

[forest summit]

The first time I saw it, the poster said you just have to pogo the ||firework|| at any time it is out before it ||explodes||. Maybe it’s more lenient than that? It would take more testing but it’d be good to know if it’s tight timing or not

[tall perch]

I think the first time I did it it was like the other poster said, just didn't remember for certain because I wasn't expecting it and was caught off guard. But maybe it would be easier to ||pogo it at the start, if where the projectile spawns is consistent.||

[forest summit]

Yeah, only way to know is more testing. Hopefully you can figure something out and see if it’s helpful or not!

[heavy yacht]

I had the same glitch happen just now was able to beat the boss

it didnt go through the loading zone however

[forest summit]

Ah okay

That makes sense tho

The thing causing it unloads

[heavy yacht]

maybe it'll work with other bouncy objects

[forest summit]

That’s what I’m wanting to know lol

Might have to be something spawnable

[tall perch]

It might only work with ||bouncy non-destructible objects? I'm assuming his projectile is only ever meant to be destroyed when it explodes, and is otherwise non-destructible.||

[scenic nymph]

How 😭

[fervent kiln]

holy shit the final boss is like on some elden ring shit. such a cool fight GL everyone. im onto steel soul mode

[fair forum]

Who can share it with me via Game Pass or Xbox, please?

[ivory dew]

I literally just joined but I already have 14 hours on Silksong and have to drop the best rosary farming location

https://files.catbox.moe/icyt63.mkv

[thorn jasper]

spoiler tag that image and location names in this channel please, see the pinned message

[ivory dew]

🫡

Best Rosary Farming Location: ||Between the Halfway House Bench and the Craw Lake Bell Bench there are 6 Pilgrims which net approximately 43-48 Rosary beads per run between bench||
This is the maximum farming build

[rugged sandal]

Yeah I tested and I sent a message to say it

[true smelt]

nope

i am not a speedrunner i just happened to find a skip i think it might be usable

[thorn jasper]

<@&283547423706447872>

[valid crystal]

Anyone seen this ||moorwing|| bug yet? ||https://bsky.app/profile/barnaclenips.bsky.social/post/3ly6crlt4wk2f||

[sturdy glade]

Spoiler skong stuff

[valid crystal]

ah my bad

[sturdy glade]

Seems like a pretty normal tc enemy ai break, very unlikely it's helpful for anything

[little trout]

yeah

[valid crystal]

sounds good it gave me the win for free at least

[inland mirage]

guys is 3:32 time on part 2 white palace bad?

like the part with the last bench

to the throne

[bitter jewel]

Can anyone link me current silksong wr?

[forest summit]

Doesn’t exist

[bitter jewel]

There ain't no way

[forest summit]

Bro the game has been out for 3 days you expect there to be a route alr?

[bitter jewel]

That's why I couldn't find it? that's crazy.

[bitter jewel]

Yes? There have to be like 50ppl with like holidays or sum trying to get first completion there's no way no one got it yet

[forest summit]

Speedrun.com also gives 1 month of time before anything can be posted to give the community time with whatever game has come out and make a route

[forest summit]

Some people have finished the game but there hasn’t been a speedrun yet

[bitter jewel]

Yeah that makes sense to make rules and stuff since it's hard to do in hindsight.

[bitter jewel]

If you alr finishrled it it's pretty much a speedrun.

So U got a vid or not?

[forest summit]

No it isn’t what?

I also haven’t finished

[bitter jewel]

What is your definition of a speedrun if not completing a game fast?

[forest summit]

Completing the game fast in one sitting

[bitter jewel]

Bad English mb I meant a vid of someone completing it not you personally doing it.

[forest summit]

As far as ik that hasn’t happened yet

[hidden sundial]

Fastest I saw was around 15h

Not a speedrun tho

[forest summit]

Exactly

[bitter jewel]

Botw 100% is not a speedrun or what? It doesn't do it in one sitting officialy

[thorn jasper]

Gusten had 14h something minutes in game time

[formal bough]

Mine was 14h 4m in game timer

[hidden sundial]

Mine's still ongoing and likely will take more than that

[formal bough]

but it wasn't a speedrun

[forest summit]

Speedruns just haven’t started dude

[hidden sundial]

Yeah

[formal bough]

nobody has submitted a speedrun to the interim spreadsheet, there is no any% time

[hidden sundial]

They'll start next week probably

Even if not submittable yet

[formal bough]

to speedrun you kind of need to have a, if not 100%, at least map 100% file

to route

[forest summit]

Bruh idrk anything abt botw speedrunning but yeah I would expect something that long to not be expected to be done in one sitting and honestly? there’s nothing “speed” about it. It’s just completing botw 100% again

[formal bough]

okay well that's just wrong

[bitter jewel]

??

[formal bough]

I mean it's gone from 49 hours to under 15 hours

it's absolutely a speedrun

[bitter jewel]

Let's skip the useless argument. I would appreciate anyone that pings me when a silksong speedrun comes out.

[uncut torrent]

is there a way to skip unskippable cutscene like Nailsmith's cutscene ?

[bitter jewel]

I would take the time loss just for the asmr

[bitter jewel]

Oh, If it's HK no there isn't

[uncut torrent]

ok thanks

[cunning totem]

Is there a speedrun manouver called "trans dashing"?

[bitter jewel]

Yes

[formal bough]

In hollow knight? absolutely

[lethal nebula]

Do I need to do the crystal dash as soon as I hit the wall for the Forgotten Crossroads to Fog Canyon skip?

[formal bough]

you walk off and press cdash when you hit it is basically the play

[cunning totem]

In that case what does it refer to?

[bitter jewel]

No but if you walk against the wall the timing should come to you

[formal bough]

dashing into a wall and immidiately jumping makes part of the dash momentum go in the other direction

turning a right dash into a left dash, transing it

[cunning totem]

Ah

I see now, thanks 👍

[bitter jewel]

Does it work on lp?

[thorn jasper]

yes

[bitter jewel]

Dang ok that's nice

[pliant fractal]

(silksong) ||i found a movement bug with the scuttlebrace tool, i cant imagine itd be useful in any normal run but its pretty cool||

[topaz grove]

Now that’s some neat tech

[pliant fractal]

||the tool gives you a weird backdash ability when you press down and dash and for some reason if you backdash into a wall the right way it gives you a jump even if you cant walljump||

[topaz grove]

I kind of want to discuss a route

[pliant fractal]

||its pretty out of the way so i cant imagine it having some Grand Usage but it seems like it could be fun in a rando maybe?||

[pliant fractal]

||(calling it scuttlebugging now) while it doesnt give back your double jump you do get your dash back so you can chain them||

[last chasm]

btw is it allowed to post a youtube link to a silksong speedrun on here?

[thorn jasper]

if you spoiler tag it

[last chasm]

|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMGYFkv4OGk ||

[rapid nest]

This might help someone who knows

Found this on accident

[thorn jasper]

Deathless segmented

[brave swallow]

accidentally clipped through a wall while running around, could be useful

just ran and jumped and got hit in the air

[manic oyster]

My son did that earlier lol

Only glitch I've had was getting stuck in a fight room

[lethal lark]

Idk if it was discovered already, but I found out you can dash twice in the air if you dash then heal mid air, then you can dash again gaining a little bit of distancs

Probably not useful tho

[vital wigeon]

Wrong warp? 1.0.28324 Xbox

Game got glitchy after that, just as the music was climbing I dashed left out of the room. When the screen was black, I moved left, hit, then moved right till I came to the other screen.

[formal bough]

ooo this might be a non-mms way to room dupe

[hidden galleon]

I dont know if im in the right place at all but i found a skip in silksong

if it isnt the right place could someone direct me to it?

[cosmic bronze]

someone should buy me silksong on steam

[inland loom]

so good

||but you can save time in 0:44, just do a jumpdash in the corner of the plataform||

[inland loom]

AYOOO

that's cool

[rapid nest]

It’s very reproducible I’ve done it a few times

[inland loom]

I still don't understand how did you get that glitch

[forest summit]

Okay so this is something that was originally discovered in the ||trobbio|| fight and we were wondering if it could happen somewhere else. Now we know it can! This is actually huge lol

[rapid nest]

You pogo on the bombs those flying guys throw at you

[void axle]

i was falling a long distance and i jumped at the end and was not stunt also in this chat i saw a clip of someone jumping from thorns so it might be some frame perfekt glitch

[glad galleon]

pretty sure you can skip ||moorwing|| if you go from ||wormways|| through ||shellwood||

just wanted to share this information because me and a friend got on a heated discussion on how he didnt fight a boss that youre supposed to fight to access ||bellhart||

but the way he did it was he went through ||shellwood|| and past it and the blocked door was just open for him, no animation was played from what he said it was just opened

[spring flicker]

I found a glitch where the ||giant white rolly bug|| froze rolling in place, I highly doubt it is intended, should I report it to bugs?

[forest summit]

Probably

[spring flicker]

Kk

Just wanna make sure im not dumb and its intentional

[forest summit]

Interesting, if you've finished the game can you try it? if it's able to skip a boss and possibly the need to go ||Greymoor|| entirely then it should be faster. Will be interesting to go through that area without more stuff tho

[forest summit]

Def a bug, that shouldn't happen

[spring flicker]

I know its a bug but is it a glitch?

[forest summit]

And a bug bc of the game /j

[spring flicker]

Lol

[forest summit]

I wouldn't say glitch

I would say a couple things that were shown above are glitches

that is a bug

[spring flicker]

Lots of bugs in this game

[forest summit]

Too many

And they do 2 masks

[spring flicker]

Crazy

[sudden hearth]

is speedrunning/steel soul for silksong gonna be like wayyy harder than hollow knight?

[forest summit]

Movement is MUCH more technical so I would say so

But HK in its current state is so heavily optimized that it will take a little bit for ss to become harder

It just most definitely will be

[sudden hearth]

yea, alr

[forest summit]

There's just so much you can do with hornet that the knight couldn't even dream of

Like healing in the air lol

And talk, that's a big one

[steady jacinth]

Idk if this can be of any help for speedrunning, but you can get to ||the citadel|| without fighting ||the last judge|| by going through ||the mist|| once you get ||the needlein||

[forest summit]

Make sure to add spoilers to the names of bosses and locations

you can spoiler something by putting || in front and behind what you are spoilering

[forest summit]

W

[forest summit]

cutting a boss will usually be very helpful to speedrunning unless ||last judge|| holds a required/useful item/ability (I haven't made it that far yet in my playthrough don't say if she does)

[steady jacinth]

oh sorry

[forest summit]

I alr knew abt the boss bc of trailers, TC spoiled that one for me lol

[sudden hearth]

from what i know she drops nothing

[steady jacinth]

then im not gonna say more

[steady jacinth]

he said dont say if he does ;-;

[forest summit]

so skipping should just be a straight timesave unless skipping requires going too far out of the way

You're fine lol

Idrc that much but I don't wanna spoil too much for myself since I'm streaming the playthrough

[steady jacinth]

i wouldnt know because i actually didnt go yet on the normal path so i have no idea how long it takes, or if you need another ability, so i wouldnt be able to say

also it skips a boss, but you have to fight another one tho

but a much easier (and fun) one in my opinion

[forest summit]

We'll know more abt the routes in abt a week

Some people here will do a lot of expirementing lol

[steady jacinth]

i bet

ppl have finished the game already?

[forest summit]

Now the question is do I stream more silksong rn (streamed for like 3 hours earlier alr) or play a different game lol

[forest summit]

Yeah some people have

Someone's alr done a speedrun

2 ish hours

[steady jacinth]

wtf

already

[forest summit]

Segmented tho

[steady jacinth]

crazy ppl

still

impressive

[forest summit]

Yeah

[steady jacinth]

especially regarding the difficulty of the game

its so punishing

idk why they made so that ||almost all the bosses at the beginning of the game spawn some other creatures during the fight||, its so dumb and frustrating

[forest summit]

And those creatures do 2 masks

and the bosses do 2 masks

It's everything that makes all bindings collector one of the hardest bosses in HK and they do more damage

[steady jacinth]

lol

true

idk what they were thinking ||putting 2 masks damages on literally half the enemies||

and environment

[forest summit]

Yeah

some of them make sense

some of them is just to do more damage

[steady jacinth]

lol

its just adding more difficulty for nothing really

[forest summit]

I also did ||hunter's march before dash|| and that was hell, why are there ZERO benches in such a long area? there could've been something like at a fireplace or something where you can rest

[forest summit]

So far that's my main complaint abt this game, even the 2 damage enemies can be played around

[steady jacinth]

yeah the benches are horrible

idk why they didnt learn from hk

ppl already complained about it

[forest summit]

To me HK was fine but I'm also very comfortable with that game and hardly ever need one

But even on my first playthrough I didn't see it as much of an issue

[steady jacinth]

for me there should be a bench close to each boss

[formal bough]

a) why is there untagged silksong messages here, spoiler tag / delete all spoilers

b) ||there is a bench in hunter's march||

[forest summit]

Oh fwick my bad

[forest summit]

||shh||

[steady jacinth]

not necessarily next to it but close enough not to have to do 1 whole minute of travelling each try

[forest summit]

I don't think each boss should have one, just required ones

[formal bough]

I don't know enough about this game to be confident about any required bosses the moment the game opens up tbh

it's too early on

(and ||there's several bosses I know I thought in my playthrough were required that aren't||)

[forest summit]

Some are definitely required afaik but there's a couple I could see being skipped

[forest summit]

I heard abt 2 so far that I thought would be required

[formal bough]

What are some required ones?

[forest summit]

||Moss mother, Fourth chorus, Widow, I can't think of more but out of the bosses I've played I think those are. There's a couple I thought were required but other people talked about skipping them. I will also currently leave sister splinter on this list but that will be very up for debate, I could see a possible way to skip that one but idk for sure||

I'm not like too far into the game yet but I'm pretty sure I'm getting close to done. I'm fully completing each area to the best of my ability before leaving

[formal bough]

I know ||somebody who got claw without float, so don't think fourth chorus is required||

[forest summit]

Oh interesting

[forest summit]

||float might be required somewhere else tho, no? or did they beat the game without it?||

If the latter is the case I could see the speedrun shaving minutes off with just that

[formal bough]

I don't believe it would be, having beaten the game I can't think of anything that needs ||float after claw||

[forest summit]

||can you get into wormways without going through greymoor after far fields? like all the way into wormways so you can climb up into shellwood possibly||

[glad galleon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/1n94fn0/did_anyone_else_skip_a_boss_by_accident/ seems like others have done the same thing

according to some guy you can ||fight him later at a quest||

[earnest forum]

Yea if also if you ||travel with the flea caravan to greymoor, it'll stay away while they are there. The next spot they move to is the last judge's room||

[glad galleon]

tyty i'll mention it to him

||moorwing|| was a fun fight, itd be a shame to miss out on it

[deft blade]

You are forgetting ||Splinter sister||

[earnest forum]

it's also an annoying fight

[glad galleon]

not as annoying as ||sister splinter||

[deft blade]

Also, I found a skip for that boss

[glad galleon]

that boss had me screaming

[earnest forum]

I'll be in here a lot after i beat the game. I have the goal and ambition to, at some point, hold a world record speedrun for SS

[glad galleon]

that too? wtf

so two skippable bosses?

[deft blade]

If you hit the stagger zone during the phase transitions, you can knock her out of the tree and skip the invun period

And by stagger zone I mean the damage threshold

[glad galleon]

seems like that needs some good timing

[deft blade]

Sorry not a skip, a time save

[deft blade]

It does

I managed to get it by using whatever that ||big burst of silk|| is called

I only managed to get it once

[glad galleon]

yeah that move helps a lot in that fight

im still on my first playthrough

that was just the latest boss i fought

[forest summit]

Read the whole message I sent

[deft blade]

Oh sorry I missed that

[forest summit]

It MIGHT be skippable

[deft blade]

Could you still get ||claw|| though?

[forest summit]

Probably

You don’t need to go back through that room a second time afaik

[worthy forum]

I THINK I FOUND A SKIP LOL I CANT REPLICATE IT THO

[inland loom]

BRO

that's cool

how did you get it?

[rain solar]

I don’t know if I’m the first person to discover this, but silksong has an equivalent of shade skip. I call it cocoon skip. By clawlining onto your death cocoon, you can gain height

And horizontal movement too. It’s not nearly as impactful as shade skip, but it’s something

[wide rose]

https://www.twitch.tv/thefunnynerve/clip/CourteousDignifiedConsoleOSsloth-xvV5kb9KpgGuwzCP uhhhhhhhhhh, potential tas strats???

[primal sun]

Early ||Shardart||? First playthrough and made this jump which i assume you need to come back to later with more abilities. After the jump i went and collected the new ability with no issue.

[zealous kettle]

holy shit i just joined the discord to post my own version of this skip

lmao

[primal sun]

literally the same thing i did haha

what was your setup?

[zealous kettle]

lemme try to record after i grab the ability rq

this is with ||silkspeed anklets|| equipped. this is what i just got working but i bet this is doable without ||beast charge||

definitely not practical but perhaps usable in randos where you don't get ||hover||

[forest summit]

Ohh when I tried to do this I didn't have ||anklets|| I'll try it next time. Also is the ||beast charge|| just something I missed with that ||crest||? Or do I need to unlock that?

[primal sun]

Interesting, i only just got the ||silkspeed anklets|| but i didnt use them for the skip

[zealous kettle]

||i simply mean needle strike on beast crest, it changes depending on the crest equipped and beast happens to be most useful for stalling||

[primal sun]

I also didnt know you could stall with ||beast crest|| haha

[zealous kettle]

im like 50% certain anklets and flea brew dont increase your speed in the air and therefore i'm not sure either is needed for this skip

[primal sun]

you might be right, i havent tried without ||flea brew||