speedrunning

[static night]

Thank you so much!

[frail igloo]

how can i practice shade skip with the debug mode?

[weary root]

debug has savestates, if you press f1 while paused it should bring up a menu

if you click to the next pace it has savestate binds

[frail igloo]

yeah but when i try to spawn the shade, it doesnt follow me

just stays in place

[weary root]

ah you need to get rid of void heart

you can toggle that in the charms debug menu

just set it to any other kingsoul option

here

[frail igloo]

should my nail damage be something else btw?

cause it takes 4 nail hits to kill my shade

[weary root]

that would be because you have more health

scaling nail damage also scales shade health I think but that might have a cap?

so just upping the damage until it dies in 2 might work but you'll need to turn it down again to practise other things

[frail igloo]

is there a guide about how to lure the shade into the place needed to shade skip?

[weary root]

have you downpatched or on current patch?

[frail igloo]

current

okay i found a somewhat consistent setup

[weary root]

I'll drop this anyway
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkE118nRef6oofzPmKX6inUNLaJV55sK7

shade skip would be in part 4

[frail igloo]

what is h2?

[weary root]

hornet 2

[frail igloo]

ah, i wasnt sure what you meant go lower but now i remembered there is a different route

[past thicket]

is roomduping possible on the switch 2

[weary root]

I seem to remember someone saying no
but I could find no evidence so maybe?

[past thicket]

if it is speedruning will be bossible on the switch 2

[wraith trellis]

Ah yeah cuz it's well known that every single speedrun category includes a room dupe

[past thicket]

glitched speedruness

[frail igloo]

so a couple of days ago i watched the current world record by zvypurr, and i noticed he doesnt try to get spirit at all, instead going directly to greenpath

i have been wondering if this doesnt make certain bosses harder since you dont have a projectile

also someone knows how to make my splits have clear background?

[formal bough]

Itemless baldur route fights are definitely different yeah

they get a nail upgrade which helps though

[hidden sundial]

The itemless baldur route is definitely harder yeah, but was proven to be faster

[frail igloo]

i tried just setting the background to have 0 opcaity but it didnt work

[hidden sundial]

The main issue is not the lack of projectile but rather having to do the whole fights on 1 HP

That's incredibly stressful

[frail igloo]

i see

[weary root]

your options are to make it slightly translucent or not have it on top of your game

on obs you can make the background disappear for the recording, but not on your actual screen

[frail igloo]

but during the game it wouldnt it disrupt me?

[hidden sundial]

It's playable if translucent

[weary root]

i'm not sure what you mean

[hidden sundial]

That said, you can also play window mode and have the splits not cover your HK screen

I ended up going for the latter

[frail igloo]

isnt it less comfortable though?

[hidden sundial]

It's a matter of preference

[frail igloo]

yeah

[weary root]

I prefer windowed for games that don't use mouse

[steady lynx]

Klapudo tested it for me on switch 2 release, same thing as on the switch 1 happens, infinite stag cutscene

[frail igloo]

yeah but i for some reason cant make it slightly translucent as well

[steady lynx]

Didn't even bother to ask him to upload the video

[weary root]

set opacity to somewhere between 30-70

[steady lynx]

In hindsight, kinda obvious that it wouldn't work on the switch 2, it's the exact same build of the game in the exact same engine

[frail igloo]

UGHHH everytime i get into kingdom's edge around the 20 mins mark (i am doing a meme speedrun where i tried to beat the two hornet fights as fast as possible) i get hella nervous

i didnt even finish a run

but i got close

i even had shade skip first try

[sturdy glade]

have you practiced ke at all

i would recommend learning the movement room by room (not necessarily optimal, just fast as you can comfortably do) and practice the aspid pogo a bunch

[turbid patio]

Practice overcomes nerves iirc

Instead of constantly failing that section due to nerves, drill that section of the run into you

[frail igloo]

thats what i am doing

not sure how i can setup the aspid in the pogo position consistently tho

[sturdy glade]

I bait it right, get to it's left, knock it all the way right, then just kinda wait

[frail igloo]

and now i am messing up movements in general

i didnt even finish one run in the made up category i made

like one mistake and i have to reset

[sturdy glade]

why

just don't reset

you have free will and shit

[frail igloo]

another fail at the pogo

first try shade skip

[frail igloo]

because i dont want to have a benchmark run that will be shit

Also the two benches that i get are the one near vengeful spirit and the one at salbura so if i fail at in between those bench stops i lose a lot of progress

[thorn jasper]

it's common in speedrunning to finish a shit run just to get a comparison. the subsequent timesave feels good

[frail igloo]

But the places i can die get me really behind and basically ruin the run

[hidden sundial]

I mean, it's still a completed run and something to compare against

[sturdy glade]

bench at kings station and after the aspid pogo

[frail igloo]

I am confident in my hornet fights

[civic moss]

is there a TAS of the any% isma's tear route from that fireb0rn video

[frail igloo]

Another run lost to pogo death

its so frustrating

because everything goes fine, then kingdom goes semi fine depends if the hoppers decided to be asshole that day

but then at the pogo i just die

because for some reason i cant get the dumb aspids to go into the position

[sturdy glade]

if you can't get it consistently there you should practice and learn more

[frail igloo]

I mean what i basically tried to do was to get the damage boost skip

[sturdy glade]

why

if you don't know it don't do it

[mint mist]

i don’t know about any mag isma’s TAS, there might be one
closest thing i’d recommend is the 1432+ any% nmg category, since it does something similar to mag isma’s route

the wr is no TAS, but i’m pretty sure it’s yihou so it’s very good

[civic moss]

thanks that sounds cool, I'll check it out

[spark mirage]

Does anyone know the silk soul skip?

[frail igloo]

Cuz i couldn't get the aspid in the correct place, but in return it gave me a lot of deaths

[mint mist]

this feels like a deez nuts joke

[steady lynx]

Yes, but it's too difficult for new runners, so we suggest you just go around

[frail igloo]

The what?

[tiny geyser]

Who knows a tutorial for speedrun nmg all skills ??

[thorn jasper]

All Skills NMG Tutorial (note this is outdated but still may prove useful for learning the basics)

[tiny geyser]

Thanks

[wide gate]

I just started running today and I'm currently using horizontal LiveSplit bc I can't get it to be transparent ingame, I know how to make it transparent in obs though

[weary root]

you can make it translucent but not transparent

you can also run in windowed

or have a second screen

[still lodge]

just leave livesplit on top of your game

i did that for 3 years

now i use a second screen but it's really not that bad

[wide gate]

aii, works for me, I opted for using a black horizontal livesplit panel, and using game resolution to add black panels that give me space to put livesplit

[still lodge]

eisog dont elderC me i genuinely thought people did that like how else are u supposed to do it

the best part was having vfk in pantheons go behind the timer so i just have to guess where it is

[mint mist]

i do that too, idk how to toy with its opacity

[weary root]

right click -> edit layout

click layout settings

opacity slider

[mint mist]

wowowow

thank you

this changes things

[latent skiff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/667692213022752769/1387860845349834884/Hollow_Knight_2025.06.26_-_20.20.23.05.DVR_Trim.mp4?ex=685ee1a2&is=685d9022&hm=183bba0be16e4a6b46f7cb7af687bff979d261cac4651f2de67fb865e01edacc&

guys look at this really cool clip from today

[tiny geyser]

Nice

[frail igloo]

how does one route for geo?

[latent skiff]

do you mean how to make your own route or what route people usually take?

[frail igloo]

How do i make my own

[vagrant warren]

Figure out how much is actually required for the route, then see what geo sources are on the way

[hidden sundial]

Basically evaluate how much Geo you need at the time of your purchases and analyze the available sources you have prior to that spending, then labbing some of what you find covers the geo you need while having the lowest detour time possible

[sturdy glade]

If you need early xroads stag you get geo rocks, elder baldurs give 50 geo on lp (mound one gives 25 on old patches), forced moss knight is 40, vfk offers like 80, geo rocks + moss knights below vfk give ~140, gruzzers from gruz mom got you ~40 on older patches, gorgeous husk + the other dudes in that room get you like 480, journals give you 200 (above kings station is common but most journals just aren't worth the time they take), seals give you 450 (kings station, rafters, wk, and well are all pretty common and passed), and idols get you 800 (if you go to left cliffs the idol is often worth)

fk chest is 200, wk chest is like 680

[frail igloo]

honestly i needed a route that able to get 220 geo before salubra

also mega dissapointed because i managed pogo skip but then lost at hornet 2 like 5 times and gave up

[sturdy glade]

baldurs get you 100, mk gets you 40, vfk gets you to 220

that's ignoring extra geo you'll get from random enemis

[frail igloo]

i skip fk btw

[sturdy glade]

everyone does

[frail igloo]

until now i didnt

[sturdy glade]

damn

[frail igloo]

because i thought i wouldnt have enough geo for shaman

but yeah skipping fk still did somehow get me enough geo as soon as i got to salubra

gm helped i guess

[frail igloo]

like god damn everything went so well

guess i need to practice hornet 2

how can i setup my character so that i can fight hornet sentinel with the setup i come with for the speedrun? (Shaman stone + basic nail + 5 hp and only basic fireball)

[vagrant warren]

What do you mean by setup? if that's all you have you don't really have a choice of gear

[sturdy glade]

If you have debug just give yourself the gear and warp to the bench and set a quick save before the fight

[vagrant warren]

oh, like practice setup

[sturdy glade]

If you don't just bench there with the gear after no resetting and do the fight but SQ at the end

[vagrant warren]

You could also just not give up when you get there in the run

[frail igloo]

i can do it at godhome as well no?

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't needed thanks. The godhome fight is not the same as the overworld fight

Like her HP is not the same

[frail igloo]

ahhhhh

[turbid patio]

You can practice in godhome tbh the fight will just be longer

But using debug savestates is easy enough and better

[mint mist]

you could debug yourself to have same equipment and just practice getting good dps

that said, godhome h2 has a fucky arena

[hidden sundial]

Basically I kill both VS and GP baldurs (100), mandatory MK gets me 40 more, some random geo on the way like aspid arena and I usually skip VFK and kill one of the lower moss knights with the geo rocks. By the time I'm done I get to Hornet 1 with around 280-290 geo, which is enough to get Crossroads Stag, Shaman Stone and have some extra geo for the future.

If just that is enough, maybe VFK is a bit faster, if you don't care about Crossroads Stag you can likely ignore both since Gruz Mother also gives 50

[turbid patio]

doing just vfk is enough for salubra

shamans*

[sturdy glade]

🐌

[mint mist]

if you’re speedrunning to h2 tho you wouldn’t need crossroads stag

2 baldurs, gruz mother, and 1 moss knight is 190, you probably get 30 geo from aspid arena, fk husks, and moss chargers

just have to be a little conscious

can’t miss money

[sturdy glade]

30 from aspid is crazy

[static umbra]

yea isnt aspid arena like around 10-15 geo

unless its counting the geo rocks before it but thats kinda waste of time i think

[sturdy glade]

You normally get 10

I think Max is 18 or 20

[hidden sundial]

They did say aspid arena + fk husks + moss chargers

[steady lynx]

Generally when routing geo I just wing a route, if I get too little geo I just get more next time, if I get too much geo I remove geo sources next time

This is, all things considered, a pretty terrible way to route

[sturdy glade]

Oh yeah I misinterpreted what the 30 was from

[frail igloo]

got pogo, got to h2, died 3 times and gave up

i am gonna try to do a 3 deaths for hornet 2 and i quit

so i wont waste my time

[mint mist]

the run is killing h2 as early as possible?

[frail igloo]

the run is to finish both hornet as fast as possible

[mint mist]

yeah i would think h2 with vs shaman would be the hardest part of that run, especially fast

i ran it a couple times and i remember usually ending on 1 or 2 hp

[weary root]

Ghostbusters does hornet 2 with that loadout if you wanna watch some people do the fight

[frail igloo]

only one death

but it didnt split for some reason after i deafated the hornet fight

[mint mist]

probably your livesplit settings

[weary root]

Make sure you have end-triggering auto split checked

[frail igloo]

ahhhh

[mint mist]

these are the splits i have saved

really bad hornet tho

also are you running on latest patch?

[frail igloo]

yes

[frail igloo]

how much does 1.2.2.1 saves?

[mint mist]

hmmm

1221 would mostly be consistency with skips i think, and maybe make geo a little more comfortable

idrops and epogo are a lot simpler, and you get the ~8 seconds of timesave at the beginning of king’s pass and stuff

but actual timesave? probably not a whole lot

i run on 1578 too

so i’m no expert

[weary root]

1221 saves 6 seconds in kings pass from early control, a couple seconds with no rng timeloss on the second baldur, and a few seconds from claw early control

It also has an easier epogo

[frail igloo]

I dont do epogo

I guess that also explains stuff

[mint mist]

thats a chunk of timesave yeah

also sets you up for mantis pogo

[frail igloo]

mantis pogo?

[mint mist]

when you drop down from the room after epogo to the lever to access claw, you aggro two mantis youth that you can pogo to get back up to claw nice and quick

[frail igloo]

ah

[mint mist]

it’s a pretty hefty amount of timesave too, but not as much as epogo

[frail igloo]

also why do you split after gruz mother?

[mint mist]

idk, my version of a blss split i guess

i didn’t actually know there was a shade skip autosplit

is it like… upon killing the shade? or the blue lake transition?

[frail igloo]

Blue lake transition

[mint mist]

that’s cool

[sturdy glade]

Gruz mother is the any% split point

[mint mist]

that would be why

[sturdy glade]

having a 5 minute split in what takes 16 minutes is ridiculous though

[mint mist]

i think hksplitmaker defaults to any%

[sturdy glade]

It does

[mint mist]

i agree! i was sad enter kingdoms edge wasn’t an autosplit or smth

[sturdy glade]

I thought it was

[mint mist]

couldn’t find it, might be user error tho

there was an autosplit for entering h2 so i guess i could’ve used that

future reference ig

[frail igloo]

UGHHHHH

SO MANY TINY MISTAKES

BEFORE I EVEN GET A SPLIT

i need to improve on it

[sturdy glade]

have you finished a run dude

[hidden sundial]

Biggest save I think are lever skips in City

[weary root]

yeah the run they're doing doesn't go there though

[hidden sundial]

Ohh right, hornet %

[steady lynx]

That'd be wrong

The biggest difference in any% is dreamer cutscenes

[sacred thunder]

in general the biggest time save of 1221 compared to LP is dreamer cutscenes being skippable, which is like 30 ish seconds I think ?
given a different autosplitter any% could have been faster on LP due to stallball and isma's route

we do not live in the timeline in which cutscenes aren't timed however, so stallball is nmg and any% is still on 1221

[sturdy glade]

40 iirc

[sacred thunder]

(I do wonder, in the hypothetical word in which LP becomes faster due to stallball, is the technique legalized or do people forbid it from becoming nmg as "to protect" 1221 ?)

[sturdy glade]

realistically there would be a legacy board

[sacred thunder]

I mean both boards would still exist regardless, but would people have reacted differently if stallball impacted "the main category" ?
kinda pointless to think about, since I think stallball isma's was deemed faster quite a bit after the trick was initially discovered

[hidden sundial]

Oh true, dreamer skips yay

[frail igloo]

yes

only died once on hornet

[trail crane]

Hey guys 🙂 I am about to complete my 112% and thought about trying out speedrunning (any kind, maybe any% first?).
Do you have any recommendations for getting started, any guides etc.? i have watched some videos and streams but maybe there is something a little bit more structured out there than „watching and trying out“ 😄

[hidden sundial]

There are several categories that can be speedran - from completing the game with any ending to crazier things like 4 mask shard %

Any% is a good category to get started IMO, it's not crazy long and most of the cool skips are not really mandatory to finish it (though they are if you aim for competitive times)

[sturdy glade]

several is a generational understatement

[hidden sundial]

Hmm it's kinda ambiguous

But yeah, there's extreme variety

[barren jetty]

Hello, I can't take it anymore. This morning I started a run and when I got to the statue I realized that I forgot to take the city's coat of arms.

[hidden sundial]

Feel free to learn the Salubra Shade Skip, that way you:
A) Don't care about killing False Knight.
B) Don't care about the City Crest since you get into City from Resting Grounds

City Crest's slower on pretty much anything I can think of - maybe the only use case would be Nail1%?

[vagrant warren]

Doesn't 112 still use crest lol?

[vagrant warren]

Also if there are things you have trouble remembering leave yourself notes in your split names

[sturdy glade]

1xx and all bosses use city crest entry

[light flower]

Im so confused

Im watching a tas run and the guy is doing something weird with dash

He’s like moving back and forth quickly I think

What’s that called?

[frail igloo]

that feeling when you have to reset because you got out of king pass after 1:04 seconds

or even earlier because the vengefly refuses to cooperate

50th run now tho

only one finished

[sturdy glade]

most likely wiggle wall cling storage

[frail igloo]

and i choked at kingdom's edge before the pogo

and everything was green as well

why cant my 2nd run just not be perfect

i cant even get to mantis claw without having at least one dumb mistake i am doing and it starts as early as king pass vengefly skip deciding to be annoying

[sturdy glade]

just don't reset

[frail igloo]

the last run i did today, i was gold split in vengeful spirit, green split at enter greenpath, but then hornet 1 split was +31 seconds late

i said okay because i at least didnt die to hornet one, then i got to fungal waste and decided to bet my run on a epogo on 1 HP

[sturdy glade]

Didnt you have a h2 death in pb

[frail igloo]

i am not consistent

[sturdy glade]

not the point I'm trying to make

[frail igloo]

so what's the point?

[sturdy glade]

Just run it back and if you don't die to h2 you probably pb

[hidden sundial]

Yeah it's not like you need always to have gold segments

[frail igloo]

i died at fungel wastes, it was over since it puts me at the bench in vengeful spirit

[frail igloo]

i just dont want to see reds at all, because i am bad enough that i shouldnt have reds if i am not playing trash

[hidden sundial]

I mean, a 5 seconds red is fine if on a later segment you save 20

[frail igloo]

and its a long ass walk from there to fungal wastes

[hidden sundial]

Of course if you die at Hornet 1 with still over half the run to go sometimes it's just simpler to reset than to go on

[frail igloo]

like i should only have one death and its shade skip

like i have 51 runs and only one of them made to the end

[sturdy glade]

that's cause you resetting too much gang

[hidden sundial]

Lately I've been speedrunning a mod (Scattered and Lost) - which has a couple harsh platforming rooms and a boss

[frail igloo]

doesnt WR holders reset every missed interaction as well?

[sturdy glade]

A few things

[hidden sundial]

And let me tell you - I yet have to achieve a hitless run

[sturdy glade]

One you aren't a world record contender and this isn't a world record competition level category

And also they don't

[hidden sundial]

But not resetting and improving on all segments helped me reduce time from 34 minutes to sub 4:30

[sturdy glade]

E.g. lepver

[hidden sundial]

They play the game at a level than when a time loss occurs they simply can't make up for it

[sturdy glade]

untrue

[hidden sundial]

Also depends on the time loss

[sturdy glade]

Didn't one of the Scotty records have a dream bosses death

[frail igloo]

regardless, i cant just not reset, because those little mistakes matter

[sturdy glade]

Yes you can

[hidden sundial]

I mean, you can, since it'll let you practice them further

And also practice all segments of the run

To gain consistency

[sturdy glade]

you have 1 (one (singular)) completed run

The little mistakes dont matter atp dawg

going in with an any% record mindset where it's not necessary and you don't do practice for some reason is a great way to hate the game

as seen in you getting mad at lost runs in this channel recently

[frail igloo]

yeah but what am i supposed to do after i get into Kingdom's edge and i mess up the pogo? walk of shame back into the same spot?

its a massive time loss

[hidden sundial]

Well, a full restart is a bigger time loss

[sturdy glade]

you know a bigger timeloss?

dying to h2

[hidden sundial]

Also true

[sturdy glade]

Wait are you saying you genuinely reset if you mess up the pogo even with the aspid alive?

[frail igloo]

most of the time i reset in the pogo room because i end up dying there

[sturdy glade]

just practice it then

don't do it once and call it a day for practice

[frail igloo]

i practiced all of KE up until i finished the pogo for 30-40+ mins

[sturdy glade]

and yet you have under a 20% success rate for the pogo?

[frail igloo]

in an actual run? around this precentage yeah

like maybe better

[sturdy glade]

Is it notably higher in practice?

[frail igloo]

no

like it was 40% sucsess in practice?

idk

[sturdy glade]

Doubling it isn't notably higher?

[hidden sundial]

It's quite higher, yeah

[sturdy glade]

also I meant 20% per attempt throwing yourself at the aspid, not attempt to death

[hidden sundial]

But tbf, maybe just get debug and practice that one skip for a while

If it's your current run killer

[sturdy glade]

currently his run killer is resetting at the slightest sight of red on livesplit

[frail igloo]

ah, that case its like 50%? cuz i now i kinda understand that i just need to nudge the aspid to there

[hidden sundial]

Usually grinding that one thing for around an hour should at least improve that success

[frail igloo]

its either a red or a death

[sturdy glade]

why you resetting to red dude

[hidden sundial]

That's how I raised my QGA success rate from 0.5% to like 20% in a day

[frail igloo]

okay actually i never actually reseted to red, i did continue after the red

[hidden sundial]

20% is not enough to use on an actual run, but it was massive improvement

[sturdy glade]

all that does is mean you never get to practice late game and always choke cause you don't have practice

[frail igloo]

but it was pretty much like "Ughhh, yep thats gonna be rough"

[sturdy glade]

not really with h2 timesave

[frail igloo]

how much time is lost if you lose to H2?

granted my setup is shaman stone and basic nail for damage

honestly if i do get to shade skip, i nail the skip like ~80-90% of the time

like when i thought about doing this speedrun i thought that this will be the hard part

to the point the initial route was about trying to get crystal heart and do the acid skip in KE

[sturdy glade]

The further into the H2 fight you get the more time you lost

if you skip the bench that's even more

[frail igloo]

yeah i never skip the bench now

[sturdy glade]

No I'm saying more timesave if you do

Cause you want first try H2 in PB so why encourage dying

[frail igloo]

the one time i skipped the bench i died and went back to King's station, immediate reset because going through KE once is annoying, going through it twice is pain

[hidden sundial]

Yeah, if you died to hornet 2 time loss was Walk of Shame time + battle duration

[frail igloo]

before i even skipped King's station bench

because my ego thought that i would just one try all of KE and hornet 2 without dying once

[sturdy glade]

ibaldur?

[hidden sundial]

I mean yeah, it's optimal but a 10 second time save vs that much safety on a first run is good though

[frail igloo]

that thing where you one shot the baulder with one fireball?

[sturdy glade]

10?

[hidden sundial]

Sitting on KS bench can't lose much more

[sturdy glade]

Ibaldur saving minutes in this category

[frail igloo]

i dont know how to do it

[hidden sundial]

You don't walk that path

[sturdy glade]

Not telling you to do it

[frail igloo]

so on my way to greenpath i just try to get as much soul i can but still fast so i can spam fireball 2-3 times

[frail igloo]

which path?

[sturdy glade]

The green one

[hidden sundial]

iBaldur basically doesn't get VS at all

[sturdy glade]

Skip gp with slopeball

[hidden sundial]

And relies on Fury of the Fallen as your damage source

[frail igloo]

i feel like we talked about different things

i think

[sturdy glade]

Have you tried storing the main menu

[frail igloo]

no

[hidden sundial]

So you'd save the time you spend on Ancestral Mound

[frail igloo]

dont want to go that direction lol

[hidden sundial]

But having to do the whole run without spells

Also killing the baldur without VS is very cursed

[frail igloo]

ah thats ibaulder? that thing the WR does

[sturdy glade]

not really

just dash slash

[hidden sundial]

Glowing Womb >>>

[frail igloo]

wait so what is that thing where the baulder in gp gets hit by one fireball 4 times?

[hidden sundial]

That's a 1.2.2.1 thing

[sturdy glade]

1221 shenanigans

[hidden sundial]

I don't know the proper cause, but some dark TC magic

[frail igloo]

ah

[sturdy glade]

btw that's frankly just untrue it's pretty 1.3

[frail igloo]

should i maybe just unbind the reset button?

[sturdy glade]

It's a fb render distance thing I believe

do timerblind

[frail igloo]

what?

[sturdy glade]

be blind to the timer

[hidden sundial]

That's actually clever

[sturdy glade]

you could have figured that out

[frail igloo]

how do i do that? like full opacity?

[sturdy glade]

just

don't have it on the top layer

[hidden sundial]

Just push it to the edge of the screen

Or be covered by another layer yeah

[sturdy glade]

Minimize it

[frail igloo]

you can minimize livesplit?

[sturdy glade]

idk I'm throwing ideas out there

[frail igloo]

ok

i figured out how

its so weird not seeing the timer tho

like how do i know if i do well or not?

[hidden sundial]

It is, but it might help you get more focused on the gaming instead

You know if you did well or not once you've finished

[sturdy glade]

You know you did well at the end

The point is so that you don't reset like you seem to like to

[frail igloo]

and what if i wont? and i just wasted time doing a doomed run

[steel willow]

then it’s practice :D

[hidden sundial]

If you didn't do well, that's what the next run is for

Like, this is the one speedrunning time I'm actually quite proud of and it has like 40 seconds of rough time loss

Modded stuff, doesn't count for any board anywhere ever

[frail igloo]

wait how will i know that the livesplits works?

well i guess if i dont do some dumb shit to it, it wont break lol

[frail igloo]

Wdym

[frail igloo]

The fact that i sigh to myself when i see missed time on enter greenpath or when i get a slower gold split because i know i could get a faster one

[hidden sundial]

That's mostly a mentality thing - the sum of my best segments on that thing I posted add to 3:34 I think, so that's almost a full minute loss

In a run that short

Any gold split is always good news

No matter how small the win was

My first Any% was almost 1:20

And my current PB on latest patch is 48 and something

45 and something on 1.2.2.1

It's still an awful time with incredible opportunity to save

If you compare it with the top dogs

But compared to previous runs? It's an over 30 minute time save

[mint mist]

something that it helps me to be conscious of is that you don’t have to save time in every split, if you stick with a run and have a little faith, you can squeak out a pb

[vagrant warren]

I feel like you've never actually watched many speedruns? Maybe watching some top level runners finish red runs that don't pb would help

Like, imo the mentality that if you're not green the whole time the run is not worth finishing can be so harmful. Like yes there are things to reset over but when you're just starting out that list is pretty short. Every completed run is a learning experience

[gaunt parrot]

any one have tips for practicing skips

[mint mist]

if you’re talking to me, i’ve seen plenty of runs but doing it in practice myself it made a lot more sense

yk when the numbers were times that i had set, ig it made a lot more sense why i shouldn’t just grind out a perfect early game

[sturdy glade]

pretty damn sure she's talking to leafo

[steel willow]

depends on what skips you want to practice
but if you have the capability to get mods i’ve heard debug mod (i think?) is helpful for that to reload savestates and stuff

[turbid patio]

set up a savestate

then do the skip, then do the skip again and then again and then again and then again,,,,,

[vagrant warren]

No, that was directed towards Leafo, since theyre not really finishing runs, could have used a reply I supppse

[gaunt parrot]

ty for the adice ill get dbug mod and practice for like 4 hours

[knotty vigil]

Is there any easy way to fireball skip

[vagrant warren]

I'm not really sure what you mean? Like, there are some fireball skips that are harder than others, but they're all done the same way (with the exception some need turnarounds in between fireballs & some don't)

[frail igloo]

I only really watch the ones that are submitted to speedrun.com

[mint mist]

are you on controller or kbm?

for controller i do this thing where i hold left with the joystick and tap right on the dpad and quick cast (if you’re using focus cast that’s your problem)

i think kbm players get socd cleaner to make similar tech more doable

[frail igloo]

well damn

[hidden sundial]

And there goes a 2:28 time save, congrats!

[sharp cipher]

GG

[frail igloo]

yeah the next run i had to reset because my vengefly for doing the skip in greenpath died

[frail igloo]

now the hard part will be to find new time saves AND also beat hornet 1st try

[hidden sundial]

Sure thing, but then again, each run you practice makes you more likely to beat that

As soon as you do the key sections with consistency the time save will come along

[frail igloo]

Well fuck me then

and everything was green

[knotty vigil]

On controller

[frail igloo]

ONLY to die at pogo

i know i shouldnt probably reset here but at that moment i didnt believe lol

okay actual question: during king pass when the floor falls, do you guys have any idea how to make it so you dont get the hard landing consistently?

[weary root]

do a minimum height jump right before it breaks, then land on the slightly higher floor

you can also just hold right and get rng softfall about 1/4 times which is slower if you don't get it and faster if you do

[vagrant warren]

You know it respawns if you just re-enter the room, right?

[exotic wigeon]

(slower on average by the way)

[stiff moss]

does anybody have tips for how to learn to fireball skip? I'm on keyboard, if that makes a difference

choombert directed me over here because he wasn't sure about keyboard players

i can also send screenshots of my keybinds if needed

[static umbra]

Quick cast is highly recommended, and also socd cleaner is usually recommended to make turnarounds easier to execute

[random grail]

just finished my first any% run :D

[random grail]

yo i play on keyboard

definitely quick cast

[stiff moss]

yea i use that

[random grail]

idk what your controls

[stiff moss]

still can;t get it

[random grail]

are like

[stiff moss]

i can send ss if you want

[random grail]

i use wasd space for movement and everything else is on my right hand

[stiff moss]

i use mouse

[random grail]

that quick cast button looks a little awkward

[stiff moss]

tbh this could be improved but im used to it now

[random grail]

cuz its pinky

is there a button you can use that you can press really fast

[stiff moss]

yea but i put everything over there

uuum

[random grail]

cuz you might be partially limited by how fast you can press

if you're not timing them, which I certainly don't im not that good

[stiff moss]

i just keep not getting the full turnaround

i cast them too early maybe?

i can kinda do it i just dont actually improve my distance with it

[static umbra]

Wdym by not getting a full turnaround? If u not getting a turnaround that may mean u r pressing the direction too early, like for example if u doing a fb skip to the right and want to turn around to the left to cast fb, u need to fully let go of right before pressing left or else the turnaround wont happen. socd cleaner fixes this which is why it’s recommended

[stiff moss]

is that a mod?

[static umbra]

No it’s not a mod, it’s just a separate thing u download

[stiff moss]

where can i access that?

or is it easier just to constantly practice until I can do it without socd cleaner

[static umbra]

I mean u don’t need to use socd cleaner for fb skips, it just makes it easier. And they r allowed for speedruns if u r looking to submit a run to src so its completely fine to practice with socd cleaner

And I don’t have the link but u can join the hk speedrunning server and type ;socd or ;overbind

[turbid patio]

overbind is better btw!

[random grail]

and i just beat it by 8 minutes

[mint mist]

oh the joy of starting a new category

my biggest pb was 17 minutes back when i first started any%

[random grail]

i saved like 5 minutes on one split the second run 😭

wait no i feel like it was more than that

nah it was about 5mins

[mint mist]

it’s a nice feeling to know there’s lots of timesave to be had

there’s a death in my current any% pb, i can’t wait to dig into it

next time i pb could be a 41xx with a half decent thk

[random grail]

yeah

its the first time ive actually played hk in like a month or two as well

been so busy with school

i needa re practice qga

i was getting it at least 50% of the time

meanwhile that run it took me like 25 tries 😭

saved another minute tho

[coral stone]

I passed absolute radiance in radiant mode

[warped lotus]

Can someone help me? I’m trying to get a new pb on pantheon 5. My pb rn is 24:32 anyone got some advice?

[vagrant warren]

I'd suggest joining the server in pins & checking out the IL (indvidual level) channels

[versed vale]

Hi I'd like to start speedrunning NMG, I installed Scarab and I'm looking for the save-state mod
What is it called please ? 🙂

[static umbra]

for practice, debug mod. for actual IL runs, mini save states

[versed vale]

Got the debug mod and quickslots are OK

• Wdym by "mini save states" ?
• How do I teleport on the map please ?

[static umbra]

https://github.com/hk-speedrunning/HK-Resources?tab=readme-ov-file#minisavestates

[versed vale]

Thanks
What about teleportation please ?

[static umbra]

u mean for practice purposes? ig u can use benchwarp and debug no clip to go around quickly but im not aware of any teleportation mods that can put u anywhere on the map

[versed vale]

How do I select a bench to warp to please

[static umbra]

click unlock all

[versed vale]

Thanks, final question: what is this counter about ?

[weary root]

There's a setting that only lets you deploy a bench every so often

So it's counting down until you can again

[vagrant warren]

Benchwarp does have the door warp option, although it requires knowledge of the in-game room names

[weary root]

Oh yeah I forget about door warp, but also I ro noy know the room names lol

[vagrant warren]

Even I only know like half a dozen but there's labeled maps

[steady lynx]

I'm a big fan of _test_cocoon_2 and _test_cocoon_1

[fleet jolt]

Any tips on how to improve my THK, been dying recently

https://youtu.be/ofcZ4QylQWc?si=Soby5WXjxsp7F4Kz

[mint mist]

you empty jump whenever he teleports, which keeps messing up your dodges

[fleet jolt]

Yeah I thought so, how do I fix it?

[mint mist]

don’t jump when he teleports

prejumping is pretty effective for pv but thk is so slow that you get punished

[fleet jolt]

Yeahhh, I think I’ve just spent too much time on PV that the fights blend together in my head

[mint mist]

i struggled a lot with thk when i started speedrunning for the same reason

[vestal patrol]

Im in gerras den and i keep getting lost anyone have a map?

[fleet jolt]

U mean beasts den?

If that’s what u mean

[random grail]

there is a full teleport anywhere mod

i used it a while ago

lemme find it

https://github.com/jngo102/HollowKnight.FastTravel

[static umbra]

that mod seems to be abandoned, also seems to have some serious bugs based on what im reading about it in the modding server. i would still suggest benchwarp over this since its more stable

[mint mist]

honestly i would suggest debug and using someone’s savestates

[tranquil kestrel]

odeio

oi li1nda

[versed vale]

Can I remove this cooldown ?

[mint mist]

yes

in the benchwarp settings

[regal flame]

just beat hollow knight and wanted to start speedrunning it, is there anything i should know or do befor i get into it?

[mint mist]

if you’re on pc, practice with savestates

also consider running something other than any%

[regal flame]

is any percent bad?

[mint mist]

the other runs are cool too

nah, i don’t hate it but it’s the most popular by a long shot

i like seeing people learn other cats

[regal flame]

i will try a variet

variety*

see what i like

[sturdy glade]

yes

[regal flame]

how?

ive heard its difficult?

[sturdy glade]

At its core it's got less interesting moments than other categories and most of the difficulty comes from 2 low equipment boss fights

[regal flame]

just curious, whats the world record for any percent

[mint mist]

30:49 i believe

[regal flame]

wow

[mint mist]

no major glitches, glitched is a lot lower

[sturdy glade]

4:29

[vagrant warren]

Lots of good info in the pins to start with, including a link to the splits website & the speedrunning discord

One other thing I'd say is some people get really focused on running 1221 bit there's lots of latest patch runs as well, don't feel bad if your PC can't run the old patch well

[mint mist]

1432+

[sturdy glade]

fastest ever completion of the game was on 1432+

[regal flame]

I’ll look more into all that stuff tmr as I’m very tired rn

[random grail]

The new any% route for the top 2 runs uses an incredibly difficult strategy which requires you to be 1hp most of the run with fury as well

And the standard route is just so hyper optimised

It's definitely still worth a shot for your own enjoyment but if you want to push leaderboards it's definitely not the way to go

[regal flame]

What other speedruns are there?

[sturdy glade]

Check speedrun.com

Both the main and extensions boards

[vagrant warren]

there's also a spreadsheet of meme runs that don't have an official board. Basically almost any combination of completion and/or events that you wnat to run probably has been thought of

[sturdy glade]

Not quite but we have a hell of a lot of them

[hidden sundial]

Brettor Lords % yay

[mint mist]

i like break all backer messages %

better known as break all the things %

i wanted a category where transdashes were relevant so i routed it

[sturdy glade]

you think transdashes are irrelevant?

[mint mist]

most of the time yeah...

they're good for cpeak movement and bv transdash and if you're doing bingy or a niche cat nosk transdash is solid but i feel like they're never optimal

so i wanted to do the revekless idol transdash and the shrine of believers transdash in one cat

[sturdy glade]

it seems you weren't locked in during peak nosk%

[mint mist]

guess notsk

vs no shaman nosk?

[sturdy glade]

it was quite the time

[mint mist]

who all was running it?

[coral shore]

but you just named some optimal trans dashes..

[mint mist]

yeah but........

i get to do them in bingy

maybe i should run TE

so i can do bv transdash

any% is devoid of fun movement

deepnest is fun

[coral shore]

Didnt you just say that you do them in bingy
I am confused

[mint mist]

yeah but i want speedruns with transdashes

so i made one

[sturdy glade]

literally anything with wings

also downdash transdashes 🔥

[mint mist]

huh???

[sturdy glade]

wallslide downdash and jump 🔥

diagonal dash 🔥

[mint mist]

woah

[uncut umbra]

What's the world record time

Any%

[static umbra]

u can check yourself on speedrun.com

[uncut umbra]

30 MIN?!

[uncut umbra]

Thanks, i forgot that site existed xp

[steady lynx]

4:29.34

[worn scroll]

how do i get verfied

[steady lynx]

Verified in which way?

[fleet jolt]

New PB

Crazy recovery

[turbid patio]

Upload to src

Wait

:GG:

[kind stone]

I don't know

Oh sorry wrong server

[regal flame]

okay, start 1st speed run tday 😄

lets see how this goes

[weary root]

good Luck!

[regal flame]

ty

[weary root]

just finishing a run is honestly really good no matter how long it takes you

[regal flame]

ill lyk how i do

if i finish it

[regal flame]

i would like to have a chat to who ever made the little spiders that shoot stuff in herrahs place

but i fineshed the run!

[turbid patio]

Well done!!!!

[regal flame]

thanks

the time was 1:01:21

i deid to thk 3 times tho

[turbid patio]

oh gg

almost sub 1hour first try is awesomesauce

[fleet jolt]

Why do u have my pfp bro

[weary root]

?av spacier71.

[river axle]

spacier71.

Server Avatar

[weary root]

I mean it's not like you drew it https://www.deviantart.com/peculiurperennial/art/Void-Given-Focus-798481050

[sturdy glade]

complaining about someone using art that ain't yours is some wild shit

[steady lynx]

I hate when people have Hornet as pfp, copycats, smh

[steady lynx]

I hate DI

[weary root]

yeah this is delayed interaction, pretty cool

wow gusten

how could you

[steady lynx]

It was pretty easy

[sturdy glade]

Oh that's a fun use of bench di

[shadow ingot]

im kinda new to speedrunning and i do have a question. Are acid skips possible in the latest game patch? i swear ive been trying for an hour or so and yet i still cant do it

[static umbra]

yes they are possible, which acid skip are u refering to?

[shadow ingot]

forgotten corssroad to fog canyon one

[static umbra]

hm that one is one of the most lenient ones

[shadow ingot]

i keep getting too high and hit the hitbox there

[static umbra]

try walking off that tiny platform over the acid, in my experience that sets up the height perfectly

[mint mist]

if you just hold left you should fall into a good position to get the right height

omg

[shadow ingot]

the timing is kinda tricky

[weary root]

it won't work if you have isma's

oh that's probably not your problem

[shadow ingot]

YES I GOT IT

[mint mist]

hooray for walk left

that is exactly one quarter of the tech needed to walk forward and hit the shade soul button

[turbid patio]

True

Hey guys, so this is going to be a tutorial on how to kill the Pale Lurker boss. Uh, yeah, let's just get started here. All right, so what we're going to want to do is we're going to climb up here—oh, oh, yeah it's, it's pretty tough guys. So, we're going to go up here and then what we're going to do, and this is the really complicated technique, is we're going to walk forward and hit the Shade Soul button. So you see, walk forward and then I hit the Shade Soul button. Now, that was tough. Now, you might not have dash here cuz maybe your brain is just really dumb, so let's practice. Walk forward, Shade Soul, with the Shade Soul button. Yeah, it's—it's pretty tough guys but if you practice enough maybe you'll be really good.

[regal flame]

Just wondering is there an updated any% tas speedrun

[formal bough]

I know of a 1221 any% NMG from 2024 and a 1432 any% NMG from 2024

so like updated compared to when

there are 2023 any% tasses (including an AG one)

[sturdy glade]

Javier is working on a new one ATM I believe

[turbid patio]

I think I know of a more recent any percent lp

[fleet jolt]

Bro I’m clearly sarcastic but maybe it isn’t clear over text

[fleet jolt]

Yall really don’t understand sarcasm

[sturdy glade]

fym clearly

nothing in that message insinuated sarcasm

[fleet jolt]

As I said, it isn’t clear over text

[sturdy glade]

but you also messages me and eisog in a pretty attacking way even though we had no way of telling

[fleet jolt]

I wasn’t trying to be aggressive nor attacking but maybe I’m just horrible at getting emotions over thru text

[sturdy glade]

There's a reason tone indicators have become popular

[fleet jolt]

I suppose, never heard of one tho

[turbid patio]

/j (joking) /srs (serious) /s (sarcastic) are good ones :3

[fleet jolt]

Thank youuu

[fleet jolt]

Insane PB

[regal flame]

Well done

[fleet jolt]

Thank you, crazy is I PB:d yesterday too although that was only by 5s

[carmine cypress]

What's the difference between 112 and 112 APB?

I mean obviously APB is all pantheon bosses, but what does that mean in terms of the run? Don't you already do P1-4 for the percent anyways?

[wraith trellis]

APB requires you to do p5 and to save zote to get him in the pantheons

[regal flame]

new pb!!!

realy impressed

really*

[fleet jolt]

That’s actually really good, u on console or PC?

[sturdy glade]

Probably pc

[still lodge]

112 not apb isnt a real category, 112 APB is the full name of 112

[sturdy glade]

If you felt inclined to do "real" 112 with no extra requirements, you could skip gpzand get normal ending after pantheon 4

[regal flame]

pc

why do yuo ask

[fleet jolt]

Why don’t u run 1.2.2.1 then?

[sturdy glade]

I'm like top 3 1221 glazers and that's a stupid question lol

Downpatching is extra effort for a patch that runs a whole lot worse with tech several people don't particularly care for

[fleet jolt]

I suppose, I frankly don’t know how downpatching works as it isn’t available for me so I haven’t looked into it

[fleet jolt]

Bro my first run 2:31:20

[regal flame]

idk

and i dont really wan to try 1221

bc of preformance issues

[fleet jolt]

Fair

[grizzled nova]

Hi, I would like to get the Speedrun 1 & 2 achievements, but I have no experience in Hk speedrunning, could you tell me what are the steps for a glitchless run and what skips I need to learn pls?

[static umbra]

There’s a guide in the pinned msgs for 5 hr achievement

[fleet jolt]

Fireborn also has a tutorial on it

https://youtu.be/cELyn3Y0rzE?si=5_ClC-8cMCfTixY_

[static umbra]

The guide in the pinned msgs is the fireborn guide

[mint mist]

10 minute

[sturdy glade]

6 minute gold

[fleet jolt]

Ohh ok

[cerulean wind]

hi

i wanna start speedrunning

ive been playing for a long time and i got all endings except pantheon 5, i did most things

path of pain, some pantheons

i wanna speedrun any% TE

is there a guide?

[weary root]

there's a video guide for patch 1.4.3.2+ -> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmsiD1UNpNciIqCJH5Hy_Uktwf07K1gnf

[cerulean wind]

isnt 1.2.2.1 the best one?

also how do i play 1.2.2.1

[weary root]

kinda outdated I think shriek is faster for lp

[cerulean wind]

i just downloaded hk

[weary root]

couldn't find one for 1221, I'd recommend joining the speedrunning server and ask in #true ending

getting 1221 is pretty simple if you're on steam though

[cerulean wind]

theres a speedrunning server?

can you send the link

i looked up "hollow knight speedrunning discord" and this server is what i got

im not on steam btw

[weary root]

it's pinned in this channel^

if you're not on steam getting 1221 is going to be difficult, on GoG you have to message them and beg and I don't think there's another option to get it

[cerulean wind]

im on cracked

[sturdy glade]

Crack is bad for you

[grizzled nova]

HI, for my first run any% I wanna sub 5h, is getting dreamnail in sub hour good ?

[hidden sundial]

Yeah sub hour Dream Nail is definitely good for the achievement

[grizzled nova]

Do I need desolate dive for Any % classic run ( no glitch ) ?

[fleet jolt]

No, you can just enter peaks with lantern

[grizzled nova]

ok, thx !

watchers are really annoying and hard with the stuff that I have, do you have tips except the chandelier ?

[sturdy glade]

practice

nail cancels are good

[hidden sundial]

Also fireballs while they roll will multihit

But yeah, that fight is one of the harder sections of the run

[grizzled nova]

yeah, I think I'm not enough good rn, I'll train it again and run it later ...

[split gulch]

Is there a GOOD tutorial for the Speedrun under 5 hours and 100% under 20?

Or guide to be specific

[sturdy glade]

pins

[regal flame]

new pb with 1st use of epogo!

[ocean elk]

sub 50 minutes poggerss

[tiny geyser]

gg

[regal flame]

ty

want to try and get sub 45

next

[hidden sundial]

Goated

[regal flame]

biggest throw of all time

another run lost to uumuu

[random grail]

For the former I think fireb0rn's video is good

[weary root]

yeah and 100% under 20 is really not hard

[fleet jolt]

How u so fast

Like literally

That’s my PB, granted that’s with loads but still

[weary root]

loads add a lot

[fleet jolt]

Yeah ik but according to ChatGPT the top 1.4.3.2 runs save about 4.5 mins

[weary root]

🥴

[fleet jolt]

So that’d be about a 48:15

[weary root]

I wouldn't trust anything chatgpt says about speedrunning

[fleet jolt]

Yeahhh but still

[regal flame]

i could show u 1 of my runs

if you would like

[weary root]

if you wanna look at load time vs loadless you can look at https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight
both are listed

but also if you're on console then loads will be even longer

[fleet jolt]

See it’s about 4.5 mins

[fleet jolt]

If that’s true

[fleet jolt]

Yeahhh

I’d like

[regal flame]

shoot

i dont have any recorded

we could vc

?

[fleet jolt]

Yeah sure but gimme a minute first

[regal flame]

alr

[fleet jolt]

Ok I’m good

Join General 3?

[regal flame]

2 sec

[versed vale]

Hi, I'm getting a lot of trouble trying this setup of epogo
I'm watching this tutorial and I'm wondering if it's because I'm on current patch please ?
https://youtu.be/dke1SRL8wL0?t=628

[mint mist]

yeah that's bc you're on current patch

on the most optimal patch for any% you can pogo the spore in its near-explosion state, and you can also pogo the explosion, but on current patch you can only pogo the spore

there are a bunch of different epogos to work around this, i use this one, but it requires two casts of soul so it's kinda annoying if you aren't certain you'll hit it first try

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wdfFMLblz4

^ this one is kinda tricky but it's the fastest and doesn't use any soul

https://youtu.be/XlCUZhlxbsM?si=EOphNb-8ZeOt0Pt2

this one is also good, i couldn't find a tutorial but i know a lot of cool people who use it

[steady lynx]

We have a joke that there's more LP epogo setups than there are Hollow Knight runners since almost everyone does a slight variation of another strat

[versed vale]

Thx a lot

[mint mist]

good luck!

also if you’re on pc please don’t die over and over again practicing, download savestates

or save your own or smth

lifechanging for speedrunning in general

[pliant stratus]

i want to get the speedrun achievemnts on steam but i have never speedrunned a game and idk how to start, any tips?

[mint mist]

google a route :D

[pliant stratus]

okkkk thankssss

[mint mist]

good luck!

[split gulch]

Is there a written guide?

[weary root]

Yes link in the pins

[versed vale]

Is it normal that Livesplit with auto-splitter ON and on Game Time comparison is still running a bit when in main menu and not in the file please ?

[vagrant warren]

Yes. it only pauses during loads, any time you have control (like hte menu) it will run

[night sierra]

is there such a thing as quirrel%

[sturdy glade]

yes

[night sierra]

[cosmic pivot]

meme category idea: sit%, in which you must find all the sittable spots and sit there

[hidden sundial]

All benches, Quirrel Blue Lake, WP throne, Marissa and am I missing some spot?

[vagrant warren]

You can sit with Oro & Mato I believe

[sturdy glade]

p5 benches

[mint mist]

bench anchoring would be pretty silly for that run

[sturdy glade]

btw benchwarmer is already a category that pretty much does this but without the wp/godhome bs

No sitting on floors though

[odd leaf]

Is there a speedrun for all dream people who give one essence?

[vagrant warren]

Ghostbusters

[steady lynx]

It's mainly just a Traitor lord speedrun with some small detours and a very cursed slopeball to cliffs

[mint mist]

and silly hive

love silly hive

[empty surge]

Does anyone know how they room dupe in any% all glitches?

[mint mist]

https://hollowknightglitches.fandom.com/wiki/Dupe

[steady lynx]

Oh, this hasn't been updated in a long time

[mint mist]

true!

all the hk glitch wiki pages are super funky

some of the entries have typos and shit everywhere

[steady lynx]

I'd offer my services to try to fix them, but I'd honestly rather make a new wiki at that point

[mint mist]

valid

new wiki would be cool

[steady lynx]

Especially since this is fandom

[steady lynx]

Basically, you make it so you have control of the Knight while the stag travel selection is open, then by travelling with the stag and leaving the room at a specific time the game loads the room you entered and the stag station you travelled to on top of eachother, and since you have noclip you can navigate the mess of collision easily
Then when you enter a boss room with a boss scene the game adds more rooms to the dupe due to how boss scenes work and that they were never intended to be entered when you have more than one room already loaded, so that's used once on the False Knight boss scene and then again a few times on the Uumuu boss scene
Then by entering the Monomon dream until you have 3 copies of that dream loaded you can kill the Monomons that were loaded and absorb them, which makes the game add 3 times to the dreamers killed amount, and the black egg door checks for at least 3 dreamers having been killed rather than checking if you killed 3 different dreamers, so it opens when you get there

Pretty simple really

[mossy brook]

Couldn't it be part of hollowknight.wiki, same as the mods

[empty surge]

This is good to know but how do I get control of the knight when opening the stag?

[steady lynx]

I'd have to dare to ask the admins there for that

[steady lynx]

Oh, we have bench storage in the run, so we just open inventory in the load to get transition storage, so the game doesn't remove control of the Knight when we talk with the stag

[empty surge]

Ok thank you I’ll try it now

[empty surge]

@steady lynx I’ve managed to do it so thanks for your help but I also have another problem, when I equip charms while cdashing it makes me jump and cancels the cdash do you know how I can fix it?

[mossy brook]

They are pretty scary yeah

[boreal gust]

Hey what I use the counter in corner of my screen

[gray ember]

you need to use enter on keyboard to equip them without jumping

[steady lynx]

You use the jump button to equip charms, use the enter button

[empty surge]

Thanks everyone I didn’t even know you could do that

[steady lynx]

It's really annoying if you play on controller usually

I've successfully become the foremost controller + keyboard + mouse + DK Bongos player

[empty surge]

Yeah I usually use controller

[regal flame]

finnally a new pb!

[viral oak]

Eu sou do Brasil não entendo 😭😭😭😭😭

[dawn junco]

New pb, I’ll get there eventually

I was on switch btw

[slow turret]

Hello ! Anyone has an idea what charms are used for panthéon of hallownest speedruns ?

[gray ember]

i think strength, quickslash, fury, steady body, (nailmaster's glory maybe), flukenest

[regal flame]

I’m gonna lose it

Just got back home to realise I didn’t save the splits

:(((((

[fleet jolt]

U were literally told to save them

[regal flame]

Yeah ik and I thought I did

[fleet jolt]

Well u didn’t

I mean u have majority of the splits and VS was like a 3:50 or smth right

[regal flame]

Yeah

It’s fine I’ll get a better time tmr

Hopefully

[fleet jolt]

Exactly then u won’t need these splits

[mint mist]

you don’t need the splits saved to get your run verified, you just need the run recorded with livesplit visible

submitting your splits is optional afaik, i know vys does but idk why

well i don’t actually know if livesplit being visible is required, i know other games do to discourage spliced submissions

[vagrant warren]

Pretty sure if load removed timer isn't visible it would have to be submitted rta

[mint mist]

makes sense, i was thinking of how celeste src rules used to be, but i guess they have lrt implemented into the game so it was a redundancy before spliced runs

[weary root]

Yeah if you're submitting real time then you don't need livesplit
But if you're submitting load removed then the timer needs to be visible to verify that it's removing loads properly

[worthy berry]

I beat p 5 on switch

[turbid patio]

p5ab*

[worthy berry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1099241872423129128/1389676318676877322/copy_67B4AA15-E990-4C5E-BDB0-82181D1F0BDC.mov?ex=686a19ad&is=6868c82d&hm=5169cbe34c032c7c7b513ed32104c1267e8798e8f220d905988642f4d1f9e30c&

@topaz heart

[static umbra]

bruh dont ping specific ppl like that

[worthy berry]

It’s a VERY important speedrun skip

Doesn’t fire speedrun?

[static umbra]

its also a major glitch soo....

[formal bough]

using delayed interaction storage on a bench isn't allowed in NMG

nice job finding it yourself though

[worthy berry]

Dang it

[steady lynx]

It's got more useful applications than this, precious few glitched categories enter White Palace to begin with

[worthy berry]

Is my glitch better?

Your speaking enchating table

[formal bough]

There are multiple places this glitch can be used yeah

[worthy berry]

I know a mound is another

[steady lynx]

This makes literally no sense and you're trying to say I speak nonsense?

[sturdy glade]

pinging fireborn for a glitch that's this ancient is just really funny to me

[worthy berry]

When was it discovered?

And also I’m just trying to finally be ACKNOWLEDGED by fire I don’t want him to speak with me I just want him to know I exist

[sturdy glade]

begging for a drop of acknowledgement gotta be like diamond two parasocial relationship shit

[formal bough]

I can find discussion about it in 2017

[hidden sundial]

Idk, just randomly reaching out to the top HK content maker without introduction doesn't feel like the best way to draw their attention.

Life can be very good without being on X famous person's radar

[worthy berry]

True but I can’t reach out to him as he has dms off and friend requesting him randomly doesn’t really work so the only way I really could is dming him here as he also has public chats in his discord server off

[wraith trellis]

or you can just, you know, not try to reach out to him

[mint mist]

yikers

[dire ember]

Mine honest 💀 reaction

[mint mist]

that would probably be fireborn’s honest 💀 reaction too

[vocal quarry]

guys i tried to do p5 all binding today, and my entire ps5 froze right after beating false knight, should i just try again, or is this a sign

[steady lynx]

This is one of the funniest messages I've read in quite some time
Got a good chuckle out of me
Thank you

[analog pawn]

Fire has pings from this server muted I believe

he doesn't want to be randomly pinged

[analog pawn]

It was probably discovered in like 2018

[analog pawn]

Oh I missed this somehow

[hidden sundial]

Bruh

[fallow spear]

I want to speedrun pantheon 5 and I have quite a few times but hornet sentinel destroys my lifeblood

Idk how to get more consistent and comfortable with going against her

Obviously practice but her fight is arguably even faster than pure vessel

[mint mist]

do skurry lookdowns work on lp? i just did some for funsies on the peaks toll and it definitely opened before the toll was retracted

if so, i guess fireballing the bell at transitions saves more time?

[hidden sundial]

Skurry lookdown works on LP

Never learned the bell fireballing tricks

So can't really say

[coral shore]

They are not mutually exclusive

[mint mist]

true ig, toll timesave then stag timesave

[steady lynx]

Skurry look down is barely even used in runs anymore, kids these days just turn around

[slow turret]

anyone knows if there's a mod to reset progress in white palace aznd be able to speedrun it like the PoP

,

?

[sturdy glade]

use debug and set a savestates before

minisavestates works too

[fallow spear]

Is 24:46 a good time for beating p5?

I don’t have speedrun clock but I just timed it w a stopwatch so it’s not exact but roughly accurate maybe a few seconds apart cause I forgot to turn the timer off after I beat radiance (I was too excited celebrating)

[mint mist]

are toll wiggles doable on controller? is there secret controller wiggle tech?

i can never seem to get them to work but all my kb gaming competition do them easily

[analog pawn]

one direction with stick spam the other direction on the dpad

[mint mist]

and is there timing to it or just <><><><><>

[analog pawn]

no timing to it

[mint mist]

hooray

ty

[analog pawn]

you need frame perfect turnarounds but you get that automatically if you overwrite one input with another like that

how fast you wiggle doesn't really matter

[regal flame]

Wtf are the devout hitboxes bro, I was 5 mins ahead going into den and died twice in den bc I got stuck on their hitboxes

Inevitablely leading to a really bad thk time at 48 mins

[analog pawn]

they are kinda weird

you will get a big pb next time, I believe

[mint mist]

their hitboxes are Δ

[sturdy glade]

📐

[jagged vault]

bro

[jagged vault]

Fantastic message thread

[fleet jolt]

Frrr

[static umbra]

Bro got “acknowledged” by blue instead, what a big brain play 🤣

[mossy brook]

That is so worth

If only I could get acknowledged by Blue SuperRad

Or whatever sr stands for

[sturdy glade]

Speedrunning

[mossy brook]

That makes more sense

[jagged vault]

We were laughing at them in the gc🤣

[lusty wyvern]

learned how to use livesplit not too long ago and this was one of my first runs after practicing for a while

[static umbra]

[formal bough]

"sorry for the ping" you know you can reply without pinging right

?tag noping

[river axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/462200562620825600/919850262959640596/dontpingplz.png

[sacred thunder]

Man imagine trying to engage in the place you like being at only for half the chat to be people just looking to get your attention

[steady lynx]

Blue, sorry for trying to get your attention again, but please, I'm desperate to find inoki's run

[steel willow]

very sad 😔

[worthy berry]

I do dumb shit for fun and getting roasted is my specialty

[worthy berry]

Ik im a genius

[static umbra]

for sure

[mint mist]

https://tenor.com/view/my-reaction-to-that-information-my-reaction-my-honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-meme-mr-mushroom-gif-1483900669018179807

[dense cedar]

so uhh

how do you beat The Hollow Knight in the speedrun

don't have anything other than the normal dash and shaman stone

[verbal stag]

by dealing damage do them while also avoiding getting hit

(for an actual answer, watch a run and see how they do it, theres basically one counter for each attack you learn)

[sacred thunder]

The acceptable answer is learn the fight, maybe play safer and heal when they stab themselves
The practical answer is downpatch to 1221

[sacred thorn]

Yo I wanna get into hollow knight speed running y'all got any tips?

I recently bought hollow knight on steam after getting to a 109% save on my switch

But Speedruns have always been my passion and this game is no exception

[steady lynx]

I assume you already picked a category?

[sacred thorn]

No I haven't actually. I'm quite new to Speedruns in general.

I've only had time to do a single speed run in full. That was for ultrakill and I since lost skill for that game.

I have one question right now. Should I use a controller (which I'm used to) or use a keyboard?

[steady lynx]

Unless you're playing at a top level there's not too much of a difference, but the keyboard kids will insist there is

[sacred thorn]

I'll learn keyboard I guess. I'm thinking about learning true ending speedrun

[sturdy glade]

If you've done casual with a controller I'd recommend sticking with it and you should also not do te as your first category

It's fucking brutal

[still lodge]

yeah you should do GE instead

[sturdy glade]

low ge

[steady lynx]

TE is far from the worst category to learn starting out

[sacred thorn]

Thank y'all for the advice.

One other thing is that I never did beat abs rad before moving over from switch to steam I was learning pure vessel when I switched.

I'll take GE into consideration but I would need to learn P5 first.

[sturdy glade]

Ge is the worst mainboard category afaik