speedrunning

[formal bough]

so like ... I also don't know if it would be respected

[sturdy glade]

Yeah some people are just kinda assholes about that sorta thing

[nimble inlet]

Dang people are messed up

[topaz gorge]

Is 6 hours 4 minutes 112% steel soul good

[gentle bay]

hell yeah

[gentle bay]

beat thk while listening to lithium by nirvana

hell yh

[turbid quest]

Wait how do you check that

[gentle bay]

appears when you beat the game

[turbid quest]

Ohhh

Also for speed running what is the least amount of bosses you have to defeat to get the pure nail

[gentle bay]

nosk

idk who else

[hidden sundial]

Oblobbles too

[static umbra]

nosk, oblobbles, maybe u need hornet for dash but maybe possible without, who knows

[turbid quest]

😭 I only got up to the soul master I am not leaving the city of tears soon

[hidden sundial]

Other than that yeah, maybe the standard Gruz Mother, Hornet, blah

[gentle bay]

earlier td I beat thk with nail 1

took ages

[turbid quest]

Damn

Good job

[hidden sundial]

Yeah most categories just don't bother upgrading nail and abuse spells

[turbid quest]

What does a 112% run mean

I've seen people talk about it

[static umbra]

get 112%, self explanatory

usually its apb

all pantheon bosses

[hidden sundial]

It's a speedrun where you get all 112% completion as fast as possible

[turbid quest]

How is it possible to get over 100%

[hidden sundial]

By doing everything in the game, the cap is 112

[turbid quest]

I'm new here 😭

[hidden sundial]

You shouldn't be too concerned on speedrunning categories if you're still unfamiliar with the game

Just enjoy the ride, you can always speedrun it later

[turbid quest]

Oh wait including the content packs?

[hidden sundial]

Yes

[turbid quest]

Alright

[turbid quest]

Thanks for your help 👍

[turbid patio]

woah this is like the hk discord iirc

[blissful slate]

This was my first time trying this skip, can I do anything to improve it

[turbid patio]

ok dr stone

dont wall jump so high

hit the shade when you being to lure it so you only have to pogo once

jump and dash to teh shade when it is futher way

^if you wanna do it faster

but gg getting the skip thats the most importatnt part

[blissful slate]

Okay thanks

I also just did this

I think I can ignore doing the pogo on the pickaxe and do it off the crystal

Yeah i can

[hidden sundial]

You can pogo the crystal thing above the enemy

Yup

[blissful slate]

Yeah I just did it

[naive lodge]

what is the best way to practice speedrunning? my way is if i fail on smth i restart so i never got past false knight is that a good way?

[sturdy glade]

Get debug mod

[steady lynx]

If you're on PC you can download debugmod for savestate practice

[sturdy glade]

And also resetting constantly should wait

[steady lynx]

Not on Xbox gamepass

[sturdy glade]

Or console

[steady lynx]

If your PB is nonexistent and you're resetting before VS you should probably just, not do that

[trim solar]

Just finish the game first no matter how slow. Don't restart so you will be familiar after few time

[naive lodge]

ok

[turbid patio]

Man said he never got past fk and asked if it was a good way to speedrun practice

[forest basalt]

Hi. Does anyone have any general advice when starting to learn 112% APB? I would like to achieve a run around 6 hours and lower the time as I get better at the game.

[stable quarry]

Watch a run. Idk how people practice a 3 hour long run but watching a run preferably doing the same or simmular route to what your planning on doing is something I would reccomend

[turbid patio]

Getting a sub 6 hour shoudk be fine without major practice of ow

Godhome practice especially p5 would be needed tho

Csnt be dying at absrsd and wasting all that tome

[vagrant warren]

Lots of people do segment practice for very long runs, just picking a section of the run & doing that several instead of the whole thing, and working thru the whole thing. Debug mod is also available to help practice. I'm sure there are some save states for 112 in the pinned server

[pseudo flare]

Hi, anyone can help me find where can I find the splits for the current any% NMG route??

[median wasp]

It’s in pinned messages, hksplitmamer

[sturdy glade]

define current

I mean all are in hksm

[pseudo flare]

ohhhhh I see

thanks!!

[pure jolt]

yo, is there a way, (with mods or smth) to create a new save that doesnt require to grind until reaching path of pain? i just want to practise it

[hidden sundial]

You can:
A) Use QOL. It allows repeatable PoP.
B) Use DebugMod save states.
C) Use Godseeker Mode + Benchwarp on a new save to spawn ready from the get go.
D) A+C

[sturdy glade]

Use minisavestates

[glacial lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIAxBGVdtpA

my first real speedrun

i didnt even have a timer setup

i have 64 hours on hollow knight

i died an embarrasing amount tho

[tawdry forge]

what's the average time for nkg%

wait nvm I was just too blind to find it under category extensions

[loud hill]

wdym avg

[forest basalt]

Yup, I was going to study a couple of 5 hours speedruns.

[forest basalt]

Yup, to get it first try.

[forest basalt]

Okay, thank you! Is there any video that explains how to install that mod in the current patch?

[static umbra]

if u have lumafly u can just search up debug and the mod will pop up

[forest basalt]

Wow, that's pretty awesome, I have around 200 and I'm not that good.

[forest basalt]

What's lumafly?

[static umbra]

?tag lumafly

[river axle]

Lumafly

Lumafly (formerly known as Scarab+) is a mod installer for 1.5 based on Scarab, but updated based on community feedback to fix problems that commonly occur in Scarab, as well as adding additional features.

• Website | Download

[dusty dagger]

Is stallball 1432+?

[steel willow]

yes

[dusty dagger]

Oh ok

Hi carrot

[dusty dagger]

Why tho?

[median wasp]

Because team cherry accidentally broke the code

I forget if the fireballs would stall but you couldn’t pogo them, or they were pogoable, but wouldn’t stall.

[dusty dagger]

Amazing

Thanks tc

[median wasp]

Fun fact, you used to be able to pogo no eyes’ projectiles

But they fixed that one

[sturdy glade]

It's 1.3+

[stable quarry]

From what I heard it's a sideaffect of a unity update changing the angel fireballs get sloped at making them slope enough for them to be useful

[dusty dagger]

Oh

[weary root]

*angle
angels have wings and halos

[winged lion]

How do you download a mod for older patches? I want to use debug mod when speedrunning but can only download current patch (lumafly). When I try to launch the game with current patch debug mod it crashes the game. Thanks

[formal bough]

?tag 1221

[river axle]

Current 1221 Modding Resources

The Modding API is not allowed to be installed for most runs. This is used for practice purposes.

• HK Speedrun Community Discord: https://discord.gg/3JtHPsBjHD
• Video Guide 🎦
• [Basic Installation Instructions](#modding-discussion message)
• Resources Repo

Assembly Files

You can only use one of these

• Modding API: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835911691703156746/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• Modding API with Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1102778898430824559/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• MiniSaveStates: Github
  • Note: MiniSaveStates is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for IL runs.
• Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1100137284667445408/Assembly-CSharp.dll
  • Note: This Adjustable Screenshake is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for runs.

Common Mods for 1221

A ModdingApi must be installed to use these

• Debug: Github
• Benchwarp: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835455873212088360/Benchwarp.zip
• HKTimer: Github

[median wasp]

Welp, Zvypurr broke the any% wr

[sturdy glade]

Nuh uh

[stable moon]

she used ibaldur though and that's cheating when you think about it

[kindred sundial]

improved

[forest basalt]

Wait what? 💀 That's crazy

[median wasp]

Zvypurr also broke the vs route record twice in the last 3 weeks

[forest mauve]

\

[forest basalt]

Yes, I saw that but I wasn't expecting the other record.

[hidden sundial]

That's nuts

[forest basalt]

It's one of the best players at the moment no doubt.

I saw BlueSR's video and was very impressed by the performance of this player

[sturdy glade]

Fun fact for vs any% (by far the most popular category) zvy's sum of best segments is under 2s off the community sum of best

And I think zvy has like 17/18 fury comsobs

[hidden sundial]

I never really ran PoP with a timer

Should do it someday

[dusty dagger]

I ran it with a phone timer

Lol

[hidden sundial]

By someday I think tomorrow's a great day

[dusty dagger]

Wow

Thats determination never seen before

Whats even the antonim of procrastination

[steady lynx]

The opposite of pro is noob, so it has to be noobcrastination

[sturdy glade]

No out of bounds

[hidden sundial]

No out of bounds, currently racing against someone to inspire new asset threads in our news

[glacial lake]

to inspire new asset threads in our news
wtf does that mean

[hidden sundial]

I don't know, just random words that served as a noobcrastination acronym

[split rapids]

i wish it was easy to do ts on xbox

just got my first Path clear

1.5 hours first time now bad tbh

[kindred sundial]

Don't be

Took me around that when I first did it

And I was on ps4

[rugged moon]

So i was practicing my hollow knight speedrun capabilities and was on a pace that would beat my personal best. i arrive at the city of tears door only to realise I FORGOT THE DAMN CITY CREST

[hidden sundial]

Suffered that with not rescuing Sly

[sturdy glade]

why would you go to City when you could just like uh start a godseeker file hit the hardsave quit out and dupe the main menu load into kp with noclip put on charms place a dgate at black egg store the crossroads stag then go left right down left right down left right up left right up left right left down right left right transition storage dive left right left then get airwalk enter archives go up left down skip uumuu enter the dream three times get monomons quitout dgate overcharm fury and kill thk

[glacial lake]

Because we are normal

[sturdy glade]

that's rude

[gentle dome]

Oof

[gentle dome]

Because that can very much be called cheating

[coral shore]

what makes it cheating?

[gentle dome]

(I belive) you have all the items from the start

[vagrant warren]

Cheating is breaking the rules. Glitches are not against the glitched ruleset

[steady lynx]

He's sadly right, using glitches is cheating

[weary root]

Cheating

[stable quarry]

Idk if I would call that a pace seems raiter early game.

[steel willow]

too slow 🤯
(this is a lie)

[gentle dome]

Any% no major glitches

[lunar breach]

is it supposed to be hard to kill thk with only shaman stone in speedrunning ts drained my soul i took 20 minutes just to beat him

i just wanted to speedrun the game under an hour 💔

[steady lynx]

Oh yeah, very much

THK is not balanced for the player being extremely underpowered

[lunar breach]

it feels so bad with no wings or shadow dash

[glacial lake]

Who is thk

[lunar breach]

the hollow knight

[glacial lake]

Oh lol

I can't imagine fighting him without shadow dash and wings

Sounds awful

Especially shadow dash my beloved

[steady lynx]

One category fights THK without dash, it's very fun

[vagrant warren]

As if that were mentioned in the first place? (It wasn't) if the category isn't specified of course the glitches runners are going to shitpost. Also ping isn't needed, thanks.

[steady lynx]

Yeah, it's a bit unfortunate, but most of the runners who still check this chat run glitched and are very unfunny shitposters, so this happens

I'm included in that bunch

[vagrant warren]

It's funny every now & then

That's why I still come here

[steel willow]

can confirm it’s very fun

[steady lynx]

I like Low% NMMS which fights THK with dreamnail as the only skill

You just slap it with the nail until it dies

[stable quarry]

Yeah idk how doing a harder category can be called cheating have you seen the amount of any% nmg runs compared to any% AG runs it's like 700 compared to 20 se clearly the AG route is 30 times harder.

People should stop calling using glitches for cheating just because they lack the skill to utilise them. Espechally when an experienced glitched runner like Acornifier is trying their best to teach them the sacred ways of glitching.

[sturdy glade]

lmao

[kindred sundial]

ouch

13 plus minutes from yesterdays run

[hidden sundial]

16 damage taken. Pretty solid Room 4 and a bit sloppy 2 and 3, but a good run overall

[kindred sundial]

great run wow

[hidden sundial]

Considering I was aiming for Sub 10 I'd say it was a pretty great run

[kindred sundial]

almost sub 5

[hidden sundial]

Let's try to push a sub 5, yeah

[kindred sundial]

a lot better then i did today lol

[hidden sundial]

A bit closer to what I actually expected

[glacial lake]

i got sub 4 minutes today

peak

[hidden sundial]

Yeah that's enough for today

Other aspects of my game need more polishing in the short term

[steady lynx]

Eat a car

[turbid patio]

How tf does someone go from 9mins to 4mins in 3 attempts jesus

[dusty dagger]

Pop is kinda free

[sacred thunder]

nerthul is gonna crush me if we rando again

[hidden sundial]

PoP is all about how many hits you take tbf

[lofty flare]

Using glitches and TAS are both cheating it would seem

[stable quarry]

How many hits did you take?

[hidden sundial]

I think it was a bit over 10 in total

Most on room 2

[glacial lake]

https://youtu.be/T6A0faudaXI

3:06 path of pain without using google or anything to find the fastest wayyys

this is purely me

[glass sun]

how do you get the timer?

[stable quarry]

Check the top comment

[coarse mountain]

what is the best route for begginer speedrun?

[hidden sundial]

Great run!

Best route depends on category. Assuming Any%, I'd say you can start with Shade Soul route or Spore Shroom if you're a bit more confident in your fighting skills.

[sturdy glade]

if you download 1028 you can skip a lot of stuff

[coarse mountain]

yes, any%. I just got mantis claw and quit and reopen, I'm at vengeful spirit bench

I don't know where I should go now, I guess to get dream nail right?

[static umbra]

Yep that is the standard any% route, shade skip to get to dnail

[coarse mountain]

I'll practice it a few times before continuing in my Speedrun file

[static umbra]

r u doing the speedrun achievements by chance? since the usual any% route is way overkill for those achievements

[coarse mountain]

no I'm not doing it for the achievement

Just trying to test my limits

[static umbra]

well usually speedruns are done within one continuous session, its not the case that ppl stop mid run to practice certain segments, which is why i thought u were doing the speedrun achievement

[stable quarry]

I think that is quite common when learning a new run.

[coarse mountain]

I'm the dumbest being to ever live

I tried practising the shade skip in my steel soul file which had 110% 💀

[static umbra]

💀 💀 💀

if u on pc u can save edit to bring the file back but otherwise u r probably out of luck on that one

[coarse mountain]

Yeah I just have to live with it

Btw should I have obtained my shade back once I'm up?

I got to the blue lake but didn't kill the shade

[static umbra]

u should retrieve ur shade

mainly to fix ur soul vessel

if u r already in blue lake but didnt kill the shade u might have to perform the shade skip again since the shade should reset to its original position

[coarse mountain]

ok

just got dnail 🙂

now I guess I just quit and reopen at salubra bench and go for uumuu?

[static umbra]

thats not the usual route

[coarse mountain]

so where do I go now

[static umbra]

take the elevator down to right side city

[coarse mountain]

Ohhh true

btw I don't need any stag station right? I haven't purchased any

[static umbra]

u shouldve purchased crossroads stag on the way to gruz mother

[coarse mountain]

oh

I guess I'll just restart 😅

[static umbra]

no need to restart

[coarse mountain]

This "usual route", does it include any difficult skips?

[stable quarry]

it does

and difficult bosses

Mostly acid skips

[coarse mountain]

I'm good at combat

so if I can't do the acid skip to get to uumuu

Could I potentially reach it entering fog cannyon through greenpath?

[stable quarry]

The acid skip to uumuu ins't bad

Nah eiter do the skip or get ismas

or wings

[coarse mountain]

wings?

[stable quarry]

yeah idk if doing it with wings is easier but you can make the skip with wings instead of cdash

Probably just get ismas if you can't get the skip which you should be able to

[coarse mountain]

But i need cdash anyway to get to uumuu

[stable quarry]

It's literally just walk off the floating platform and you have like 4 frames to press cdash

[coarse mountain]

It's probably better that I watch a video rather than asking a question every 2 minutes in here

[gray ember]

hi, I saw some people having additionnal options in their debugmod binds panel for all gliches practicing, like benchfloat or so, do you know how to get it?

[vagrant warren]

Not 100% sure but might be part of speedrun qol which is a debug add on

In lumafly you could also search by mods that have debug as a dependency to see other add ons

[gray ember]

thanks, that was really helpful!

[stable quarry]

For all glitches practicing I reccomend toggeling off the savestate fix thing

[vernal zenith]

Is there any way to improve this

[stable quarry]

I think you could hold left after the secound pogo to bonk the roof which would save time.

[vernal zenith]

Yeah, I realized I missed that

Thanks

[stable quarry]

Upslashing might be slightly faster here assuming you can upslash and then land on the platform.

[vernal zenith]

Upslashing the aspid into the platform?

[stable quarry]

Yeah

[turbid patio]

upslash as you fall down

upslash as you jump onto the first right platform

upslash as you jump off the first right platform

[stable quarry]

left?

[turbid patio]

only woth it if the aspid gets stuck onteh upper middle platofrm

[turbid patio]

its 6am mb

[stable quarry]

Someone should make a cheat sheet where they show the position of the gruzzer and the fastest strats for each position imo

I would use that

[still lodge]

yeah if you speed it up to normal speed it will be much faster, 25 seconds is way too long for aspid arena

[turbid patio]

Never before ,heard of strategy

[fast remnant]

Guys I beat silk song in 3 minutes

[sturdy glade]

balls

[turbid patio]

pretty slwo

[mossy mountain]

Okay so I decided to pick up the game for the first time in AGES and now I want to learn to speedrun it and stuff but idk what kind of speedrun should I start practicing

[sturdy glade]

all bosses hidden dreams no main menu storage

[mossy mountain]

Sorry but what does main menu storage refer to?

[sturdy glade]

storing the main menu

Unfortunately I doubt abhdnmms is the category you're looking for so I'd recommend joining the pinned server and looking in primarily any% nmg and all skill nmg then if neither of those appeal to you look around deeper

[sturdy glade]

Why is there a comma for vs

And how did you lose 10s in claw yet gold

Think mark think

[vagrant warren]

Any% nmg or all skills nmg are the usual recommended starter categories

[vernal zenith]

Really all skills??

[sturdy glade]

it's getting all the major upgrades

Not being the best

[vernal zenith]

What bosses are required for all skills

Soul master

Broken vessel

Any others??

[sturdy glade]

hornet 2

[vernal zenith]

Ah for shade cloak and abyss shriek

Oh and dung defender for Isma's

[vagrant warren]

You don't need dung defender with acid skips

[vernal zenith]

That's right.

And hornet 1 ofc

[sturdy glade]

If we're counting hornet 1 also watcher knights uumuu and thk

Goal is beat the game with all skills

[stable quarry]

Did you see the 72 sec timeloss gold though

[mossy mountain]

Alright, makes sense

[stable quarry]

The icons are also 🔥

[mossy mountain]

I remember getting the speedrun achievements by beating the game in like 3 hours, how much experience does it take to get a sub 60 mins for any% nmg?

[stable quarry]

You can also run misc runs like 4ms, grubsong% etc
Those are fun

[mossy mountain]

Assuming current patch

[vernal zenith]

Grubsong% is one of my favorites

[sturdy glade]

LP or 1221

Run who% 🔥

[stable quarry]

Like a week or two? Maybe a month if you haven't played the game much.

[mossy mountain]

Haven't played since September 2024 according to my steam account but I do have leftover experience from the good times when I wasn't busy putting about 600 hours in TBOI lmfao

I grabbed it on an Xbox One today and remembered just how good this game was

[stable quarry]

I would personally advice doing shadesoul route for sub hour and then swap to sporeshroom route for sub 40, vs route for 35, ismas for 33

TBOI?

[mossy mountain]

The Binding Of Isaac

[stable quarry]

Oh

[mossy mountain]

Also what does vs stand for?

In the route thing

[stable quarry]

Fireball

Vengeful spirit

[vernal zenith]

Vengeful spirit

[mossy mountain]

oh alr

[vernal zenith]

Whoops

Didn't mean to send that twice

Ok it was basically at the same time

[stable quarry]

All the routes are on the hksplitmaker which is pinned

[mossy mountain]

Nice

[stable quarry]

Wdym I managed to type and send both fireball and vengeful spirit before you sent vengeful spirit xD

[vernal zenith]

I started typing when you sent fireball

Is there a 3 soul vessel speedrun?

[stable quarry]

Yes

It has last stag vengefly skip at the end optimally

[vernal zenith]

Last stag?

[stable quarry]

The fast version is harder than right side rafters

[gray ember]

does it get wings?

[stable quarry]

No

Dash fb claw

[gray ember]

ok thats why its so hard

[vernal zenith]

Just to get three vessel Fragments

?

[sturdy glade]

yes

[stable quarry]

The slow version of the trick is easier though you can also just shadeskip to city which is ~30 sec slower

[stable quarry]

No you get the same one tree times smh, oh wait that is 3vf nmms

Gusten doesn't even do that in the wr dam he is lazy

[vernal zenith]

@stable quarry what fo you think the hardest p5 boss is

Do*

[sturdy glade]

just @ ing people for the love of the game

[vernal zenith]

Yes

[stable quarry]

GPZ or Absrad imo

[vernal zenith]

GPZ is very annoying cause he can get you to low health for the next boss

Absrad just takes a lot of hours in the game

[sturdy glade]

just don't fight gpz

[vernal zenith]

Same with nkg

[stable quarry]

Idk I feel like having 2k hours in hk didn't help much against absrad considdering only 10 of them where fighting absrad xD

[vernal zenith]

That's true

[sturdy glade]

nkg is in panths no matter what

[vernal zenith]

Really, I thought that was troupe master grimm

[stable quarry]

Nkg isn't a fight it's a dance

[sturdy glade]

nkg just takes fucking forever

[stable quarry]

Gpz is a fight

[vernal zenith]

Truth, I normally just get to troupe master grimm and then stop

Not in panths tho

[sturdy glade]

like he could have half of his health and his fight would be roughly equivalent

[vernal zenith]

And the boss fight is virtually the same, except for one attack and speed

[sturdy glade]

well that applies to most dream bosses

but i wouldnt say virtually the same

[vernal zenith]

Well and more health

[sturdy glade]

wait til this guy finds out about soul tyrant

[vernal zenith]

What does it change?? Except for speed and an extra two orbs

[sturdy glade]

that's what im saying lmao

nkg is just like the other 3 dream boss rechallenges

[vernal zenith]

Yeah but it doesn't change the moveset

Or barely

[sturdy glade]

just like the other ones

[vernal zenith]

Ok 🤨

[sturdy glade]

so why do you only care about nkg

[vernal zenith]

Because in my opinion he's the worst

[stable quarry]

Have you seen PV the attacks compleatly change for that rechallenge.

[sturdy glade]

pv and absrad aren't dream bosses

they're just the pantheon versions of thk and absrad

[stable quarry]

Sure

[vernal zenith]

Pantheon exclusives

[stable quarry]

In a dream , rechallenge

[sturdy glade]

like I said 3 others in that message im obviously referring to tyrant kin and champ

[vernal zenith]

Yes the rechallenges not just all dream bosses

[sturdy glade]

I said 3 dude

[vernal zenith]

Oh, whoops 😖

[stable quarry]

Are there really only 3 reachable in overworld?

[sturdy glade]

that are rechallenges

im clumping wdef with gpz cause theyre from the same update and refightable

[vernal zenith]

White defender?

[stable quarry]

Clearly all the bosses in Hog are Dream bosses

[vernal zenith]

What are these terms I've never heard wdef and hog???

[stable quarry]

White defender and Hall of Gods

[vernal zenith]

Ah

Pantheon exclusives aren't dream bosses are they?

[stable quarry]

Nah, not really. They are just bosses in the Godseekers dream.

[vernal zenith]

Oh

And the two secret areas in godhome are land of storms and God tuners workshops??

[stable quarry]

I wonder if nkg is in grimm's dream in Godseekers dream

[vernal zenith]

Maybe

[stable quarry]

Ngl idk, I just speedrun the game I don't do much godhome stuff. Most stuff after p5 is quite tedius.

[vernal zenith]

Like, menderbug 😭😭😭

Took me so longggg

[stable quarry]

You don't even gain anyhing from menderbug it's just cold blodded murder unless you get him in a speedrun then he might save you some time

[vernal zenith]

The luck needed

It's like a 3% chance

[sturdy glade]

it's 1/50

[vernal zenith]

So 2%

[glacial lake]

what about zote

[vernal zenith]

Ah yes the eternal ordeal

[glacial lake]

I cant believe you forgot about the Invincible, Fearless, Sensual, Mysterious, Enchanting, Vigorous, Diligent, Overwhelming, Gorgeous, Passionate, Terrifying, Beautiful, Powerful zote

[quaint violet]

is that a real thing

i saw it in p7

[craggy trout]

What is p7

[quaint violet]

how do you consistently inventory drop

[quaint violet]

mod

[vagrant warren]

Downpatch, or do it the frame you leave the platform. Or QoL.

[vernal zenith]

It is also known as the pantheon of regret

Has bosses like crystalblobbles

And I believe inferno king grimm, but that might be a separate modded boss

[quaint violet]

wrong channel

[vernal zenith]

Sry

[trim socket]

I'm thinking in start my first hollow knight speedrun (any% no major glitches). Someone can give tips to me?

[sturdy glade]

Join the pinned server

[trim socket]

ok

[sturdy glade]

And then probably type ;any

[delicate nexus]

I am very angry. Is there a good consistent QGA Setup or Hint for me to perform certain inputs. it feels so out of my control for when he cdashes or not. angry noises

[vagrant warren]

Qga is consistent if your inputs are consistent. If you feel like being able to charge cdash is your main problem you may be too high on the wall (cdash won't start at all if you're too high)

If you want more personalized suggestions it would help to post a clip of yourself trying it

[weary root]

also the cdash isn't bufferable you have to time pressing it right as the dash ends

[stable quarry]

There is a metronome in the pinned server which helps a ton on getting the timing imo

[wintry pendant]

is there a channel in here that you can only access if you have the Speedrunner role?

[hidden sundial]

Not that I know of

But you wanna check the Speedrunning server for more channels

This is more of a gateway into that server

?tag servers

[river axle]

Hollow Knight Community Discords

Note: this is the only Official Hollow Knight Discord server. The other servers are run by other members of the hollow knight community, and they are not affiliated with this server.

• Hollow Knight (Official Main server) - https://discord.gg/hollowknight | discord.gg/hollowknight
• Hollow Knight Speedrun & Racing Community - https://discord.gg/3JtHPsBjHD
• Hollow Knight TAS - https://discord.gg/G96XKtGtrZ
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Non-English Hollow Knight Discords

• Español - https://discord.gg/P8aCtHfDFu
• Italiano - https://discord.gg/swdPmJ5J3n
• Français - https://discord.com/invite/KBH4CrWMu2

[weary root]

there's archived speedrunning channels that you can access with the runner role

[wintry pendant]

that message says "No Access" for me

later said "Ah, it does require hk main speedrunner to see."

[weary root]

yeah that's misc-runs-nmg

you can probably message one of the mods if you wanna see the archived channels, and they can give you the role

[wintry pendant]

;grantsrrole AlexKnauth

[vagrant warren]

at least some or possibly all of these

[steady lynx]

I remember when they forgot to lock speedgaming tournament fully

[vernal zenith]

Where are all those

Nvm

[lofty flare]

Cuz you don’t have the role smh

[hidden sundial]

Yup

Now I feel left out

[hallow charm]

ugh i need to run TE again

[turbid quest]

how do you get the speedrunner role?

[sacred thunder]

You mostly don’t
It used to be given to anyone that had a run on src, but since the speedrunning community has moved to its own server, it is just a relic of the past with no use

[turbid quest]

oh

[formal drift]

_ _

[tardy lion]

Minor spelling mistake

[fast sundial]

Amazing 🔥

[formal drift]

You got me

[teal magnet]

how can i remove fps cap in 1.2.2.1?

[sturdy glade]

vsync?

[teal magnet]

its turned off

[median wasp]

There shouldn’t be a cap afaik unless you have it enabled for all games, or you edited the config.ini file

[sturdy glade]

might just have a fps cap on your pc

[steady lynx]

If you had the fps cap on on 1.4+ and swap to lower patches it'll still be in the config, so still activates

[mossy mountain]

Is the queen's gardens skip thing (the one with crystal heart) really hard, straight up impossible current patch, or am I just bad?

[mossy brook]

Really hard

There is a metronome in the speedrunning server (pins) that could help with the timing

[mossy mountain]

Oh alright

I mean I am not really doing it for a speedrun I just don't feel like going to the royal waterways (not sure that's the right name) for Isma's tear

[wraith trellis]

(It's also impossible with Isma's tear so when you practice make sure you don't have it)

[mossy brook]

You can also go through deepnest if you just want to go to qg

[mossy mountain]

Oh right, also the skip to Fog Canyon's right side through Forgotten Crossroads is a lot easier or did I just get lucky with it?

[median wasp]

It’s a lot easier

[mossy mountain]

Makes sense

[lyric kernel]

Is dash master not worth getting in any% nmg? There's so much dashing that I was wondering how it compares. It'd require overcharming though.

[hidden sundial]

It's used if doing Isma's Route

[weary root]

it is probably worth for the fury route, but isn't for vengeful spirit route

[hidden sundial]

Not sure if fury route uses it but I can see it being a thing

[weary root]

noone has done it on fury yet though cause it makes several sections of the run (notably queens gardens and beasts den) a lot worse

I mean Nerf is doing runs of dashmaster I guess but hasn't goten a good time with it yet

cause dying

[sturdy glade]

once you get cdash it loses a lot of value

[hidden sundial]

Yeah dying is sub optimal

And also very frequent on that route

[mossy mountain]

I don't think so since you want to have shaman stone equipped for like half the run

I think

[sturdy glade]

generally cats that get cdash quickly won't get dm

[lyric kernel]

yeah I meant fury route without vs

[sturdy glade]

it's worth in fury route by a tiny bit cause oc damage tanks are better for fury and there's some more dashing before cdash

[weary root]

iirc it goes even if you take it off after cdash

[sturdy glade]

I'm just saying in general there are a lot less points where it saves big time once you get cdash

[lyric kernel]

how long is the detour to collect it?

[weary root]

no idea

20-30 seconds?

[sturdy glade]

sounds rightish

Going all the way right in the claw room takes forever lol

[weary root]

33 seconds according to comsob

[exotic wigeon]

+5 for overcharming

[analog pawn]

I verified a run with dashmaster fury, it was a 39. Not just top runners doing ibaldur now

[median wasp]

Yeah, I got a 39 with ibaulder dm, Olvior got a 36 I believe

[exotic wigeon]

i will be getting a 34 soon surely

my pb still have a 50s death in it

[median wasp]

Hopefully you get the 34 soon, my pb currently has a minute of incredibly stupid timeloss in beast den I would love to correct if I wasn’t busy with finals

[twin spoke]

My first speedrun of Godseeker mode

my best time of the fifth pantheon

[shut gulch]

Sub2 lets go

[turbid quest]

nice

[next plank]

my record is in 5h 11min

[fiery canyon]

Speedran killing flukemarm might have the worldrecord

[quaint violet]

im watching the blue video and what cut off 30 seconds off the hk wr??

i mean i assume it has something to do with itemless baldur but im not really sure what that is referring to (which baldur lmao the one to greenpath??)

[steady lynx]

Yeah, killing the Greenpath Baldur "itemless" to skip VS ends up saving a ton of time

Means the runner has to fight every boss at 1 health for the fury effect so it's certainly not an easy route, but they manage

[coarse mountain]

what are the 3 hallownest seals you get in the usual route? I missed one and I don't know which it is, I remember grabbing the one over watcher knights, the one in the way to lem and also the wanderer journal at the start of city

[stable quarry]

We only get 2 in the usual route, but kings station is the one you want to get if you want to add one

[coarse mountain]

oh ok

I'm asking because in the video I'm watching for the route sells 3 but I guess that's just edited, idk

How much geo should I have after buying lantern?

[sturdy glade]

I doubt it's edited lol

They probably get kings wk and rafters

Lantern costs 1800 and the toll costs 50, the only cost in the rest of the run (probably) is distant village stag for 250 but you get some geo from the devouts

[coarse mountain]

oh so I did it correctly

I had around 200

thx

[quaint violet]

oh what

you skip vs entirely???

but dont you lose out on like uumuu cycles and watcher knights and stuff

[sturdy glade]

you get a nail upgrade to 2 cycle uumuu

[quaint violet]

with only nail?

damn

[sturdy glade]

nail upgrade + fury means you deal a lot

[steady lynx]

Uumuu has 300 health, Nail1 with Fury does 16 damage

[sturdy glade]

I think it's only 19 hits to kill on 1221

[steady lynx]

Yeah, 19 hits

10 hits a cycle is kinda "free" so it's not really an issue

[sturdy glade]

Fwiw like shamans vs deals 20 and requires soul so nail 2 fury is pretty good

[steady lynx]

WK and THK you just kinda slap until they die

[steady lynx]

Where the fuck you getting nail 2?

[sturdy glade]

from typo

Uh basin ore 🔥

[quaint violet]

dang

[sturdy glade]

Has anyone done 1221 ismas route?

[steady lynx]

This is extremely simplified btw, both are kinda difficult since you're at 1 health and there's risk of nerves on them

[steady lynx]

Every leaderboard has a run, so Save Myla NMG should have a run

[sturdy glade]

Oh true

I wonder what exact routes those take

[steady lynx]

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/runs/yvqpjxem

zvy can probably beat this

[sturdy glade]

Gusten did you see the shrogo sub 40

[steady lynx]

Probably

Should I be impressed by it?

[sturdy glade]

It's just a really funny route

[steady lynx]

Idk

[analog pawn]

I like that run

getting a sub 40 while skipping cdash and ismas is kinda funny

[steady lynx]

I need to figure out how to reheat fries, I know microwave is a terrible idea

[sturdy glade]

you have an oven?

[steady lynx]

I'm 20-30, I have an air fryer

[analog pawn]

I have accepted that fries are worse reheated

but oven or airfryer should work

[sturdy glade]

are you sure these fries even reheat well

[steady lynx]

I've only ever tried in a microwave

[sturdy glade]

try the air fryer

[analog pawn]

air fryer sounds like your best bet yeah

[steady lynx]

I'll write that down

[analog pawn]

or actually deep frying them

[sturdy glade]

ngl I would totally deep fry fries i didn't think would reheat normally well

[steady lynx]

I'm not 30-40, I don't have a deep fryer

[analog pawn]

I also don't

[sturdy glade]

not for long

[analog pawn]

I deep fry in a pot

[steady lynx]

Oh like pour the oil in a pot and put stuff in it

[analog pawn]

yep

[sturdy glade]

that goes hard

[steady lynx]

Which kind of oil is best for that?

[analog pawn]

and I just use a thermometer to check the oil temp

[steady lynx]

I honestly just keep buying sunflower oil

[analog pawn]

sunflower is good

[sturdy glade]

could've fooled me into thinking this was il offtopic

[analog pawn]

I think the ones labeled for deep frying are just either sunflower or rapeseed anyways

[steady lynx]

I honestly just wanted to see if we can actually talk about whatever we want without the mods noticing

[analog pawn]

too little red names

[sturdy glade]

whatseed

[steady lynx]

Did you see the food Jenkar posted earlier?

[analog pawn]

I did

[sturdy glade]

I didn't

[analog pawn]

I wish I didn't

[sturdy glade]

oh

[steady lynx]

It's just kinda like, pink doesn't feel like a color food should be

At least not pastel pink

[analog pawn]

yeah

[analog pawn]

it's strawberry pasta

[sturdy glade]

[violet token]

what did i just read

[steady lynx]

It looked like they had poured a smoothie on top of the pasta

[sturdy glade]

I thought jen was awesome and cool

what the fuck man

[warm dawn]

11 hits denier...

not that theres ever a reason to need to get 22 hits on uumuu

but in the event that that becomes required it will be cursed lol

[steady lynx]

I guess if you somehow have a nail that deals 14 damage

So like nail 1 with strength, or pre-buff fury

[warm dawn]

when did fury get buffed

[steady lynx]

Like 1031

[warm dawn]

isnt uumuu 250 hp anyways

on 1.0

[steady lynx]

Yes

[warm dawn]

so not even then

amazing

[steady lynx]

So it wouldn't matter

[steady lynx]

Uumuu health was actually buffed during a 1.0 patch

Which is 1031, which is the same as the fury buff

Which means fury route was intended

Check mate board split believers

[narrow ether]

how does one do instantwings like in anyrad and stuff

[sturdy glade]

jump twice really fast

[gray ember]

and for instas that go a little bit higher, jump, nail, jump, turnaround to cancel nail animation and bring up the double jump (of course, do it in a quick succession, and note that if you dont turnaround before the nail animation finishes, you wont get the double jump)

if you are on keyboard, a strat used for instas is to tap the left and then the right of your spacebar if it is used for jump

[sturdy glade]

You can do nail instas without turnarounds btw it's just tight

[gray ember]

how?

[shut gulch]

Sub 1 is crazy

[sturdy glade]

you nail and then you insta a little bit after

not rocket science

[turbid patio]

Yeah

Turnarounds are lime 392928 times easier tho

[errant plaza]

It is possible to use mods to get some glitches in the run?

Like pogo mushroom bomb

I play version 1.5.78

[stable quarry]

Wdym? Epogo which I assume your refferencing isn't a glitch

It also works on 1578

Unless you wanna pogo the explosion, in that case you can install QOL which adds a bunch of quality of life from earlier versions.

[errant plaza]

Its ok then to use it in speedrun

Thanks

[thorn jasper]

most leaderboard speedruns ban mods including qol

[errant plaza]

Oh

[wraith trellis]

(But there's a different category for current patch runs)

So there's no unfair competition

[stable quarry]

Only for the category on the modded board.

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmods

[analog pawn]

<@&283547423706447872>

[static umbra]

Please read the first pinned msg in full

[digital cradle]

Alr

Oh I see
My bad

[burnt temple]

Does the Blue Lake lever skip work in current patch?

[static umbra]

if u mean the lever on the way to dreamnail then yea it does work on the latest patch

[burnt temple]

Yeah that's what I meant

Epic

[jade turtle]

I want to try speedrunning can I have some tips

[polar hazel]

ive NEVER seen this before?? i got hit the second i abyss shrieked

lost total control of the knight while i was floating.. weird

is this a known occurrence? 💀

[weary root]

There's a link in the pins to the speedrunning server, a lot of useful information and helpful people there

[weary root]

This is knockback storage. It's cause you got hit at a specific time after you got hit into the hazard

Game never takes away the knockback state from the last hit

So you just go wheeeeee and don't get control back until you get hit again

[polar hazel]

ohhh thats so weird!! ty for the info!

[hushed timber]

what r these hitboxes man

more janky hitboxes

[stable quarry]

theese are some of the better ones lol

[hushed timber]

average hitboxes

nothing out of the ordinary

[near tartan]

i want to get into hollow knight speedrunning, ive speedran other games in the past, can someone point me in the direction on how to setup for a all glitches catagory? Thanks!

[sturdy glade]

Join pinned server and go to glitched channels

Also type ;anyag

[near tartan]

in here?

[median wasp]

No, in the pinned server

[near tartan]

okay

it says the link is expired

[median wasp]

That’s weird, it shouldn’t be expired, but sometimes discord does that

[near tartan]

could someone in the server send me an invite to dms?

[vagrant warren]

?tag servers

[river axle]

Hollow Knight Community Discords

Note: this is the only Official Hollow Knight Discord server. The other servers are run by other members of the hollow knight community, and they are not affiliated with this server.

• Hollow Knight (Official Main server) - https://discord.gg/hollowknight | discord.gg/hollowknight
• Hollow Knight Speedrun & Racing Community - https://discord.gg/3JtHPsBjHD
• Hollow Knight TAS - https://discord.gg/G96XKtGtrZ
• Hollow Knight Modding - https://discord.gg/VDsg3HmWuB

Non-English Hollow Knight Discords

• Español - https://discord.gg/P8aCtHfDFu
• Italiano - https://discord.gg/swdPmJ5J3n
• Français - https://discord.com/invite/KBH4CrWMu2

[vagrant warren]

Does this link work?

[near tartan]

Still says expired

[median wasp]

I dm’d it to you

[near tartan]

ty

Legend dude, thanks man

[dusty dagger]

Is mag ismas very good for fury route?

[verbal stag]

well you need vs for mag ismas so no

[dusty dagger]

Right

[fast remnant]

I did a speed run to kill the hollow knight

So far it taking me 13 hours

Is that a world record

[steady lynx]

I haven't checked in a few days, but my gut feeling says no

[fast remnant]

Wat the world record to beat radiance

I am sure i cam break it

[static umbra]

u can check these urself here https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight

[thorn jasper]

If you mean "from a new file", check the True Ending category on the link above

If you mean just the fight itself, we don't have a leaderboard tracking it

[pastel widget]

I just started speedrunning and today i have got my first sub 1h =))))

[steel willow]

great job !!

[pastel widget]

why is hollow knight that insanly hard with nail 0

anyone has any tips for it?

[sturdy glade]

practice

[analog pawn]

Lots of practice, other than that, make sure you really use spells. Try to not sit on a full soul meter much. You want your nail hits to always gain you soul. I also recommend looking at top fights, all attacks thk does have very set responses you do every time. To begin with you will have a hard time reacting but with practice you can get it down

[narrow ether]

how do ppl reset their path of pain runs so quickly ?

i have too keep going to back to atrium bench

its annoying

also jumping really quickly twice doesnt rlly work its very inconsistent anyway to make it more consistent

for instawings

[analog pawn]

for path of pain you are allowed to use minisavestates

which is its own assembly instead of the normal modding api

you can ask in the pinned server to get it

as for instawings, the jump inputs just have to be very close together, it is difficult to do consistently especially when thinking of other things as well

requires a lot of practice

having a good technique for how to do them helps though

like rolling two fingers off one button or using two separate jump buttons for example

a lot of people use space and both thumbs

[glossy jacinth]

I NEED DESPERATE HELP

PALE COURT MADE MY SAVE SOFTLOCK WHEN I TAKE THE MOD OFF

[sturdy glade]

schlawg this the speedrunning channel

[vagrant warren]

reinstall the mod & sit at a normal bench. If that doesn't fix it make a #1057825333841240104 post

[glossy jacinth]

i fixed it phew

[pastel widget]

Is there any strat against the devouts in any % that doesnt risk dying and losing the run?

[steady lynx]

None of the strats normally used risk dying unless you do them wrong

[pastel widget]

Yeah i mean that doesnt risk dying if i mess up

Or at least the most easy/consistent one

[steady lynx]

Realistically that'd just be doing shade soul route since you just kill them with 3 shade soul then

[pastel widget]

hmm i think im going to practice the normal strat until i can get it

anyone has a video where its shown how to do it? im looking in youtube but i dont find anything

[weary root]

https://youtu.be/mA0lewYacyk?t=36m53s

[narrow ether]

hmm will it work with scarab i want to use custom knight while i practice ?

[analog pawn]

when you practice you can just use debug mod savestates

you only need minisavestates when doing actual runs

since the modding api isn't allowed then

[narrow ether]

oh ic

[celest wyvern]

what was the first sub 2 minute path of pain what skip was found to allow that

[steady lynx]

This sounds like a HK jeopardy question

[celest wyvern]

fr fr

just curious after i watched fireb0rns god gamer video is his video the wr was like 2 minutes 3 seconds but ik now its under 2 mins i wanna know what changed

[steady lynx]

Was Thorn Skip Skip after the events of that video?

Wait, src has a graphy for this

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/runs/zpdog08z this is the oldest verified sub 2

It feels like some runs were lost at some point since some runners have deleted all their times or submitted them on the wrong date

What the heck posessed me to verify a PoP run?

[celest wyvern]

no

[lofty flare]

So then fire

Just has a skill issue

If I had to guess it’s mostly just optimization

[steady lynx]

The only recent-ish new strat was the shrogo to skip the cdash in r1, everything else has just been execution improvements

[celest wyvern]

shrogo is pogo on your wraith right?

[stable quarry]

Pretty sure shroogo was not found when the first sub 2 pop was done.

[sturdy glade]

Can't you just tas tss rather than shrogo

[steady lynx]

Correct

[thorn jasper]

maybe someone else verified it but then you went in an deleted rta or something

[thorn jasper]

found this

[stable quarry]

Wdym tas tss? People did tss before shrogo was found. You basically pogo the saw twice timing the last pogo to get as far up as possible with longnail+mop. I think shrogo is just faster now?

[steady lynx]

I guess it was during a time when I verified IL runs

[sturdy glade]

I meant that, said tas cause it's tight

[exotic wigeon]

also it seems the first sub 2 didnt use instas

[drifting condor]

Does anyone have a video or something of the divemaster route

It’s one of the old ones

[bleak shore]

What is the any% ComSob?

[sturdy glade]

Nobody does dive route

[sturdy glade]

29:48 with ibaldur

30:24 without

[bleak shore]

Wow, that is great!
You think they might get sub 30?
Imo this would be the most exciting achievement of the category ever.

Also, how consistent are the top runners with ibaldur?
It seems a pretty hard trick

I'm happy to hear that the comsob is sub 30
I think it means it's just a matter of time until a sub 30 run happens

[lyric bloom]

yo

im thinking of doing the speedtun achivements

any current patch tips?

/skips

[bleak shore]

I'm no expert on any% speedruns but I think that for sub 5 hours the shade skip to blue lake and the acid skip to fog canyon are the two main skips that you need.

You can also get dash master and 2 more notches for the movement speed if you want

One notch from shroomal ogres and another one from salubra.

If the boss fights are hard for you then you could get shade soul and dive.
Shaman shade soul is crazy good if you get double hits.

[lyric bloom]

oh ok

thanks

[bleak shore]

You could also get another mask relatively quickly in multiple ways.

[vagrant warren]

There's a guide for the 5 hour cheevo in pins

[stable quarry]

Sub 30 is not really realistically possible.
Nebula got ibaldur 1/3 of the time.

For refferance Skatekings incredibly optimized 31:24 is 1 min behind comsob 30:24
(zVypurr beat his run just recently with a 31:17)

[exotic wigeon]

well zvypurr's 30:49 is also 1 min behind comsob

and its much less optimised

but yeah sub 30 with this route is not feasible at the moment

[fast remnant]

I finished hk in 5 minutes

*time 100

[wet igloo]

is there any 112% speedrun?

[fast remnant]

Ofc

That sounds obvious

[analog pawn]

yes there are 112% speedruns

it's quite a popular category

and certainly the one that earns the most viewers on twitch

[sturdy glade]

Fwiw on the topic of sub 30, dashmaster should bring along some marginal timesave if zvy gets around to implementing it and if they do I think sub 30 is technically possible specifically by zvy cause holy shit they're cracked

[exotic wigeon]

or just shadless ibaldur

[stable quarry]

Yes, both the run and comsob. But not to the point of saving 1 minnute

[stable quarry]

Just be a tas

[turbid patio]

reset 12830138091 times for the required rng surely

[stable quarry]

Sure that works

[exotic wigeon]

i think the difficulty is worse than the rng

if you play it perfectly you could save time without reseting too much

but that assumes perfect execution with the spits, which are much harder than the shade which makes it more consistent

[steady lynx]

If you're just resetting until you get the RNG you will probably also get into a mindset where you expect to never get it and mess up because you're not ready

[turbid patio]

ive heard that hitting via spits isnt actualyl that bad its mainly the rng

but yeah the nevers after hitting the rng would kill anyone iirc

[dusty dagger]

chat the autospliter isnt real i swear

yes i did click the game i have the category options

[vagrant warren]

I think you may need to select a category for the autosplitter to show up

[dusty dagger]

Didnt work

[vagrant warren]

there's a troubleshooting checklist in the speedrun server tech support channel

[dusty dagger]

now the timer lights up and becomes green but doesnt tick

[vagrant warren]

Did you add splits?

[dusty dagger]

yes

[vagrant warren]

I think that's usually the culprit, don't recall what else causes it.

[sturdy glade]

Remove and re add the splits

I think when you first turn on the autosplitter it jacks up the splits

[vagrant warren]

If they're from hksplitmaker yeah, the autosplits will delete if the autosplitter isn't already on when you import. But they said they have splits.

[sturdy glade]

I think I've had a similar issue to this and reopening the splits worked

[narrow ether]

is there a consistent like way to do thorns skip skiip ?

or a video on how to do it. ?

ive been struggling for hours

[sturdy glade]

Join the pinned server

#il-movement should have info on it

I think modern day they shrogo

[narrow ether]

how do i join it ?

[steady lynx]

How you join the pinned server?

That's unknowable, impossible to find out

The link is pinned btw

[grizzled osprey]

whats the hardest acid skip

[knotty vigil]

Qga or lake of unn acid skip i think

[grizzled osprey]

no way qga

[knotty vigil]

I said I think ion rlly know

[grizzled osprey]

oh probably ismas tear actually

[knotty vigil]

Rlly?

I can do that but not qga

[grizzled osprey]

nono

you misunderstand

[knotty vigil]

O

[grizzled osprey]

https://youtu.be/MmYkw9pjdNM

[knotty vigil]

Dang

U probably right then

[grizzled osprey]

so ismas no crystal heart is probably hardestg

[knotty vigil]

Probably

[grizzled osprey]

funny thing is is that it was almost considered being put into the any% run because it was theorized to be faster then crystal heart

[knotty vigil]

Wow

But it would be pretty inconsistent

Without practice at least

[vagrant warren]

No almost about it, there are leaderboard runs using it

[knotty vigil]

Is there a reason he slashed the wall?

Or just style points?

[grizzled osprey]

Yes it boosts him right if he does it fast enough

Which is how they do the trick

[blazing herald]

If there are runs using it, is it faster? Or just to change pace?

[static umbra]

it is faster in certain categories like any% latest patch

tho im pretty sure nowadays they do a stallball in the skip instead of that nail swing and two fireballs like shown in that video

or well ig the stallball is only done on latest patch

so maybe thats the way ull have to do it on older patches

[median forum]

Hello, what is the best way to start speedrunning

[steady lynx]

Like specifically Hollow Knight or in general?

Either way you should start with picking which category you want to run

[gentle bay]

learn some basic skips ig like blue lake shade skip watchers tower object skip and acid skip

they're all decently easy

[median forum]

Ok

Where do i check categorys

[static umbra]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight

[steady lynx]

Some categories are less beginner friendly, any% and All Skills are considered the most beginner friendly in the nmg rulesets, maybe not with the optimal routes though

If you can get past the fact that it has colo 3 and flower quest, 107% AB is also kinda good for newer runners

[median forum]

Ok. I check the categorys and (for now) i might just stick with the pantheon ones as im anyways doing that. Just until i get some practice in any%

[steady lynx]

That's also good, I totally didn't forget that il runs exist again

[weary root]

oh yeah pantheons are very popular, they're in the dropdown menu where it says "full game"

horrible menu tbh

really we should just do what halo did and make our own leaderboard just for hk games

[median forum]

Also is skin mods and a healthbar mod allowed?

[weary root]

mods aren't allowed for most categories*

[median forum]

Oooh ok

Ill get rid of em before i start

[weary root]

*il runs can use minisavestates for resets

we also allow modified assemblies for removing screenshake on older patches, and I think some other thing

[median forum]

Ok

[steady lynx]

The modded categories leaderboard allow mods, but only necessary ones for the categories and maybe cosmetic ones

This affects exactly 2 people

[median forum]

Ok... no lil grimm then

[knotty vigil]

Oh ok

[glossy jacinth]

i speedran in 2h and 17 minutes for my first speedrun'

[robust gorge]

Hey everyone, I need some help!

Hey everyone, I need some help! I just lost my Hollow Knight save file that was 90% complete. I had everything maxed out charms, upgrades, everything. I only needed to get the second half of the Kingsoul and defeat the Pure Vessel and Absolute Radiance. I hadn’t done any DLC content yet, and I was really close to finishing it all. If anyone knows how to recover the save or has a similar one to share, I’d really appreciate it!

[gray ember]

i just finished my first speedrun ever (any%), and got 1 h 56, lets go ! i just gotta get more consistent and faster at boss fights

[vagrant warren]

?tag savefaq

[river axle]

Save Files

What do save files looks like?

• Each Hollow Knight save file is a user#.dat where # is the save slot for the file
• You can rename user3.dat to user1.dat to set it to your first save slot
• You can keep a copy of all of your save files by copy and pasting them into a different folder on your computer

Reverting Backups

• Automatic backups are called user#.dat.bak#, where the first # is the save slot, and the second # is the backup number. You will usually have your last three backups
• You restore a backup by deleting the main file, and then removing the .bak# part of the backup version

Modded Saves

• A modded save may also have a user#.modded.json (and similarly named backup). This file and the user#.dat are part of the save

Where are the files?

• On windows, the default path for Save Files is:
  • %appdata%\..\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight\
  • You should just copy and paste that path directly into the File Explorer path bar at the top.
• For other operating systems (and Xbox Games), type ?tag saves into chat

I need a specific type of save file

• Various save files can be found in the "Saves" section of this page: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/resources
  • If the file you download is a .rar or other archived format, then you will need to extract it with something like 7zip

Editing save files

• MoreSaves: With the MoreSaves mod installed, you can edit save files from the Menu, by going to Options > Mods > MoreSaves
• QoL: Opening a save with QOL installed will create an extra save file called user#.json, which can be edited using Notepad or a similar text editor
• DebugMod: While not an intended purpose, you can edit some parts of your save file using Debug, such as Nail Damage, and those changes will remain even after uninstalling the mod
• Website: https://bloodorca.github.io/hollow/

[exotic wigeon]

its faster but only on latest patch

since to get wings you use a stallball (only possible on lp)

[formal verge]

Is it possible to beat white palace without crystal dash?

[vagrant warren]

Maybe by TAS, I don't think any human is going to manage to shrogo thru the final thorn tunnel

[formal verge]

I managed it but in previous tunnel

[vagrant warren]

The tunnel before the thorns tunnel is spikes so it's pogoable, as well as being much shorter.

[formal verge]

I know but I wondered about true ending route without crystal dash

And everything was fine even monomon but white palace got me

[sturdy glade]

you need shrogo

[formal verge]

That I know and use

[sturdy glade]

And I think it's been done

[formal verge]

That's what google said but I didn't find any evidence

[sturdy glade]

don't trust Google lmfao

[proven mason]

so im not a proper speedruner but i managed to get both the speedrun achivements in like 2 attempts

is that decent

or does my ass gotta git gud

[sturdy glade]

are you happy with it

[proven mason]

i guess so

[sturdy glade]

then I guess it's good

[proven mason]

ngl i was more proud when i got radiant pure vessle tho

i was exstatic

[sturdy glade]

are you competing with yourself on being happy?

if you were happy that means you did something good and should be proud

Comparison is the thief of joy

[proven mason]

dam

thx bro

[sturdy glade]

if you want I have a copypasta saying your time sucks

[proven mason]

didnt think id get philisophical life advice from discord

[proven mason]

ngl dont even know what that means

im chronicaly offline

[sturdy glade]

check your dms to find out

[vagrant warren]

I've seen the room after the thorns tunnel done with shrogo, but not the thorns tunnel itself. If there was a currently viable consistent strat to do it I'd think it would already have been added to the route. If you want to ask more active runners I'd suggest joining the pinned server

[hidden sundial]

Yeah I'm not sure it's possible to do the thorns tunnel

[formal bough]

it's possible

(this is playing at 1/10th speed sped up though)

took me 5 hours [this is my clip] even when doing it at 1/10 speed, but on the other hand I am bad at the game

[sturdy glade]

The tunnel is pretty wide I'm pretty sure it's possible rta

Obviously very hard but

[hidden sundial]

Oh superb, was thinking it might require over 8 shrogos

Should be logical in rando smile

[formal bough]

and wow lmao google ai is so bad

I googled the question to see what it says and it goes "yep it's possible. specific abilities required? shade cloak, isma's tear, and wall climb"

[sturdy glade]

Specific abilities required? Crystal heart

[formal bough]

cross the acid pools and use other sequence breaks to make it through

okay leaving google ai mode and going back to web mode search

[hidden sundial]

WCS is probably the proper way

Since you need to store soul for the room after

[formal bough]

yeah I needed 3 soul for the next room, so you need to slot grubsong in too

[hidden sundial]

Oh Grubsong + Elegy combo does make it possible, yeah

[formal bough]

either 3 elegy damage or 8 regular damage according to past me

so with max masks you don't need elegy

hmm you have 11 notches and this clip uses 8 (2 for sharp shadow, 3 for mark of pride, 2 for spell twister)

well I'm sure with skill you could probably cut ss or mop

[hidden sundial]

SS I think is likely mandatory

MOP seems optional

So 2 for Sharp, 2 for Spell, 4 for Grub combo and I guess there's 3 available slots

So I guess MOP can be kept

[formal bough]

oh this clip uses 7 2+3+2 = 7 not 8 I'm so smart

then you have space for grub elegy yeah, though I would think grub hiveblood is better casually in which case you'd want to downgrade mop to longnail or yeet it

[sturdy glade]

You can't wcs that legally

[formal bough]

I mean my video is proof that glitchless movement through that space is possible

(though for proof proof you'd want to do it without slowdown I admit)

so with that determined you can start to use wcs

(before 1.3 of course)

[sturdy glade]

you can't shrogo pre 1.3

[formal bough]

slopeball is patch dependent I don't believe shrogo is

[sturdy glade]

Oh apparently it isn't

[formal verge]

So for true ending this route is possible but probably doesn't save time

[formal bough]

needing every vessel fragment + sharp shadow + spell twister + grubsong makes it slower yeah

if you didn't need all those items to skip it then I could imagine a route being developed for skipping cdash, but with how much you need it becomes not worth

[hidden sundial]

Yeah the 9 vessel requirement makes it not worth on pretty much any category

[formal verge]

Yeah I tried rest of the route and not needing cdash and geo for lantern while instead collecting wraiths and shriek was a bit faster I think

[sturdy glade]

cdash is faster for te

[formal verge]

Than wraiths and shriek or than preparing for the spike tunnel skip?

It's definitely faster than 9 vessel but I don't know about wraiths and shriek that are not so big detours from the track

[formal bough]

cdash also helps you move faster, tbf

[sturdy glade]

Yeah the important thing is cdash saves a lot of travel time

[formal verge]

It definitely can save time along the track I was thinking if it saves more than not going for it at all

[sturdy glade]

but you said it's faster than 9 vessel

So how could you make shrogo faster?

And fwiw shriek is very common on telp

[formal verge]

I said that this route might be faster if not for the 9 vessel and other things for the skip

[sturdy glade]

Oh

Btw you do lose 200 essence if you skip lantern

[umbral sand]

Can sm1 send a video for all skills tutroaul pls

[turbid quest]

you need crystal dash to get the monarch wings

theres literally no way to cross the big gap without cdash

[formal bough]

false

[sturdy glade]

lying

[formal bough]

you can pogo the spikes to make it close

and then there are several options (stallball, shade skip) to make it up from there

[sturdy glade]

it's just the 2 options but there are multiple shade skip variants

[vagrant warren]

Join the pinned server or check hksplitmaker (also pinned)

[turbid quest]

im just bad ok?

really bad at hk

[formal bough]

then idk why you're ping replying confidently

[umbral sand]

I'm on console I don't have hksplitmaker @vagrant warren

[formal verge]

You mean an all skills Speedrun?

[formal bough]

hksplitmaker has links to route notes

[umbral sand]

Yeah