speedrunning

[sturdy glade]

Hey I'm a hollow knight world record holder

[arctic orbit]

real

what up gang gang

[sturdy glade]

How you been man

[lofty flare]

True

[hidden sundial]

Huh blue names?

[sturdy glade]

Speedrunners

[hidden sundial]

Yea I'd say I want it buuuut I kind of will feel bad tomorrow when it goes away

[lofty flare]

Sameee

I wanna keep my blue name

[vagrant warren]

Maybe Zal just "forgets" to change it back

[lofty flare]

Give Zal temporary amnesia for this specific thing

[hallow orchid]

am I blue I haven't sent a message in 4 years

hell yeah

[lofty flare]

Pog

[formal bough]

important thing is for you to not have left; if you leave you'd have to beg and plead to get the blue name back

[lofty flare]

I got banned for two months but it gives role back so we win these

[coral shore]

Mathulu in hkmain is crazy

[formal bough]

preeeetty sure this is the speedrun server

I mean, look at the server icon

[weary root]

[steady lynx]

[lofty flare]

[short spire]

how do you do fellow speedrunners

it really feels like home again...

[lofty flare]

Bad smh

Televator isn’t legal

[steady lynx]

Didn't you see

[lofty flare]

Oh how could I forget

[sturdy glade]

Wait what

[lofty flare]

Yeah

Oh wait nvm I just realized I asked for the role after I got banned lmao

It probably doesn’t give roles back

[thorn jasper]

do I still have role

heck

gimme role

whoever gives me role can have a secret private picture of Reese

[jagged vault]

HAH switching the icons is great lol

[thorn jasper]

update: Zaliant has received Reese

[steady lynx]

Did Zal think she was cute?

[sturdy glade]

Seeing the orange names with blue feels wrong

I think Gusten has been discord mod forever, roughyl

[steady lynx]

I was made discord mod after we banned Lis's original account

[sturdy glade]

Oh huh nvm then

[potent kestrel]

What would be a good place to start running hollowknight

[vagrant warren]

On your PC. or console if that's what you have

If you meant to ask about categories. any% NMG & All Skills are generally considered fairly beginner categories (although current top level any% strats are not very beginner friendly there are lots of older/alternative routes)

[potent kestrel]

I meant if there are any like important software or like guides or saves and such

[potent kestrel]

Because I know in games I’ve run before you had the option of software that resets until you have particular rng now I know hollow knight doesn’t have that much rng it would still be interesting to know

[steady lynx]

Based Zaliant

[vagrant warren]

the only software you need for speedrunning is livesplit. There's no mods or software allowed for the actual game during runs

Well, I should amend that, software like Overbind is allowed, but that's not something that effects the game

You can use debug savestate tools for practice, but for actual runs the game must be fully vanilla

For the most up to date guides & resources you'll want to join the pinned server

[potent kestrel]

And if I wanna do individual level runs are there saves I can find online or?

[vagrant warren]

There are some available on SRC I believe, otherwise they'd be in the speedrun server

[potent kestrel]

I’ll check it when I have some time thanks

[vagrant warren]

Some IL runs do have exceptions as well, for things like Mini Save States for Path of Pain runs (since that's impossible to repeat otherwise). Each category or level will have rules posted on SRC

[potent kestrel]

I can’t imagine doing the path of pain enough for a speeltuin I’ve done it 3 times now and i the last one took me like an hour I can’t imagine speedrunning that

[dusty dagger]

Omg blue sr

[shell spindle]

Omg true blue

[lofty flare]

So true bestie

[subtle rivet]

your fucking kidding me dawg
the day i decide to download Splitter to try speedrunning splitter.io gets shut down 😭

fml

[coral shore]

https://hksplitmaker.com/

[subtle rivet]

massive w

thanks man

[coral shore]

Gl speedrunning!

[subtle rivet]

Any version for mac?

hate this os so much bro cant get anything

[formal bough]

https://github.com/AlexKnauth/hollowknight-autosplit-wasm

[subtle rivet]

ok im hella confused rn

i got live split one downloaded

opened it and it opened terminal

downloaded all the other stuff ion get it

"illegal hardware intruction"

[formal bough]

join the speedrun server [invite in pins], don't get confused by the icons (this server and the speedrun server swapped icons for april fools), go to # tech support and ask there

[shell spindle]

nah this is the speedrun server wdym

[sacred thunder]

-# screenshackn’t

[steady lynx]

Now we hope Zal forgets...

[analog pawn]

[lofty flare]

Indeed…

[idle cypress]

i like this channel better than whatever the fuck #sk-discussion is

[steady lynx]

I can not see it, therefore it does not exist

[sturdy glade]

who can give me the sr role

It's for research purposes

[weary root]

you can submit here @sturdy glade https://www.speedrun.com/mk8dxce?h=Blue_Yourself-No_Custom_Items&x=q25ery82-r8r427rn.klr250j1

[hidden sundial]

First time I realize that channel is real, better stay clear

[sturdy glade]

This gives rickroll vibes

[weary root]

oh sorry I thought you were doing a blue yourself speedrun

[steady lynx]

https://youtu.be/I-sH53vXP2A
Here's a video explaining how to get it

[thorn jasper]

Zaliant gave me mine back, but you might have to bribe him with cat

[verbal stag]

is this channel safe

[steady lynx]

Can we keep sending cat pics to Zal and get to keep the blue colour?

[royal oxide]

I'm guessing we'll probably have some sort of small patch to the base game when silksong comes out (if it's a dlc in the most literal sense), if that happens do you think they'll nerf flukenest even harder into the ground lol?

[steady lynx]

I don't think Team Cherry knows how to fix flukenest

[hidden sundial]

I think the proper nerf is "Flukenest doesn't exist on Silksong"

[royal oxide]

Patch: "flukenest deals 0 damage and takes up 5 notches"

[dusty dagger]

What if i play relentlessly when ss comes out,submit that to speedrunning.com and get a blue role..

[stable quarry]

Surely we will have a charm that allows one to kill the same enemy 16 times

[dusty dagger]

If there isn't inv drop im crying

(Or at least some other itemless hard fall cancel)

[royal oxide]

Unrelated but I've been practicing the salubra fireball skill for like 1 hour straight already lol. It's so hard for me, got it only like 6 times

But it's very satisfying to get it

[dusty dagger]

Coyote jump?

[stable quarry]

That seems to specific you really only need something that turns of the falling speed cap.

[steady lynx]

Gonna ask the src mods to put a one month break after the game releases so we can figure out basic rulesets and stuff before people can submit runs

[dusty dagger]

Wtf ekkoet blue role

[royal oxide]

A very often occurence for me is that I get both the coyote jump and the timing between fireball shots, but just start shooting them wayyyyy to early lol

Because I get nervous

[dusty dagger]

Uh huh

[polar karma]

wuts is world record

[weary root]

4 minutes and like 28 seconds

[stable quarry]

Yeah I got it for accses to the old any% nmms strats posted in #strats on this server

[stable quarry]

Was it not 29?

[weary root]

i lied its 29

[steady lynx]

9.58 seconds by Usain Bolt

[royal oxide]

Btw, does anyone know exactly how long the coyote time is? Just curious

[dusty dagger]

2 or 3 frames i think

[steady lynx]

2 frames

[dusty dagger]

So true in no access

[steady lynx]

So, 0.04 seconds?

[weary root]

it's tft dependant

[steady lynx]

I love tft

[stable quarry]

It's fate dependent

[royal oxide]

2 game ticks or actually 2 frames?

[steady lynx]

tft stands for "The FaTe"

[steady lynx]

Physics fps

[royal oxide]

I see

Honestly this makes me feel better lol

[stable quarry]

So basically game ticks

[dusty dagger]

I think cayote arent hard to get
I just like look where i jump,and it too early i just land back

Unless theres like a floor above you or smth

[stable quarry]

I don't think you even need cyote frames for the salubra fb skip

[steady lynx]

You don't even need three fireballs

[dusty dagger]

True just sahde...

[stable quarry]

Can you do it with 2 and no cyote frames?

[royal oxide]

Maybe I'm just way off in terms of when on the arc I should shoot the fireballs

[stable quarry]

Should be halfway betweenthe peak of your jump and you landing on salubra platform if you could jump far enough

[stable quarry]

How hard is 2 fb? I might try if it's doable.

[royal oxide]

Oh yeah that helps

[stable quarry]

The main thing fb does in fb skips is canseling your fallspeed so doing it in the middle makes it so you don't reach as high of a speed.

Which is why you can usually interchange it with wraights if you want

[dusty dagger]

Ss movement is gonna be absolutelly insane i imagine

[stable quarry]

Ss glitches

[dusty dagger]

I dont want to go that far yet..

[lofty flare]

SS patch 1.0 water

[dusty dagger]

Ss wcs

[stable quarry]

I wonder if glitchless will be a category in ss or if it's too broken like hk for a glitchless category.

[lofty flare]

Ss actually does have a ton of wall based mechanics sooo

We’ll see SS wcs

[hidden sundial]

A glitchless game is kind of unreal

[steady lynx]

Gonna start my collection nice and early for silksong

No patch left behind

[lofty flare]

I think day one, I’m foregoing playing the game and starting TAS tool development lmao

[stable quarry]

Do you allready have the beta?

[lofty flare]

Ask Simo for it fr

[hidden sundial]

I already made splits for it

[lofty flare]

I cannot WAIT for silksong to crash when you turn around

[steady lynx]

I can't disclose this information

[lofty flare]

(Hk already lets you teleport literal miles by turning around)

[royal oxide]

Still doing it a bit too high though, probably

[stable quarry]

Yeah the turnaround was good though.

[royal oxide]

Thanks, it's a very hard part for me

[dusty dagger]

It doesn't look that difficult (i like never got it vs only)

[stable quarry]

Do you use keyboard or controller?

[royal oxide]

Keyboard

[steady lynx]

Probably means no socd

[stable quarry]

Can I reccomend
SOCD
Short for "simultaneous opposite cardinal direction cleaner", the SOCD cleaner makes it so holding opposite directions will make you move in the last pressed direction instead of going neutral. It also makes it so that releasing one after holding both will make you move in the direction of the still held button. Get the SOCD cleaner on https://github.com/valignatev/socd/releases and view info & configuration info on its README

[royal oxide]

I probably won't be doing any actual speedruns any time soon, but is that actually legal?

[steady lynx]

Yeah

[stable quarry]

I don't know a hk speedrunner who doesn't use it

[royal oxide]

Huh

[stable quarry]

Or uses controller

[steady lynx]

Monstah doesn't use socd and plays on keyboard

But he's also super boomer

[stable quarry]

Correction and is human. Monstah is something else

[royal oxide]

I see. I'll probably just write my own little utility if I get serious about this though. I'm on linux and it's a very easy thing to do with a little C here lol

Though at what point does a macro like this become illegal? When it does things with a delay?

[paper cipher]

u guys ready for spreedruning silksong?

[steady lynx]

No

[hidden sundial]

I'll submit my first casual playthrough to Speedrun.com

Surely it'll be a WR

[stable quarry]

HK speedrun = fun =/= SS speedrun = fun we will see.

[hidden sundial]

Already practicing my itemless cocoon skip to Green Lake

[steady lynx]

This implies that speedrunning hk is fun

[dusty dagger]

Thats my idea smh

[steady lynx]

Just make sure it's a single recording

And also a serious attempt at a speedrun somehow

[dusty dagger]

Just do it on the second run tbh

[stable quarry]

Wr gonna be 2 hours the first day after release surely.

[dusty dagger]

Know what to do,dont get a geo rock->trying to be faster->is a speedrun

[steady lynx]

As said, we're taking the month before we accept run submissions

[hidden sundial]

Hell yeah multi-day session with 8 hours AFK

[stable quarry]

The 2fb version was not as hard as I though.

[royal oxide]

I'm probably gonna stick to 3fb for consistency's sake for now

(also because I'm bad lol)

[stable quarry]

Does it work now

I also went a bit early on the tripple but got the double quicker than expected

[steady lynx]

Do we have the shitpost where I did it with an absurd amount

[stable quarry]

I have not seen that

[royal oxide]

Just disabled screenshake, why didn't I do this earlier

I just had a really terrible mod idea

What if every time you fall you hard fall, unless you coyote jump

[static umbra]

There is a mod that makes u hard fall no matter how little u fall (even jumping caused a hard fall). Don’t remember the mod name off the top of my head tho

[dusty dagger]

And you take damage

[royal oxide]

Yeah, I've seen that one, bloody horrible

[dusty dagger]

Called fall damage(maybe)

[royal oxide]

That happens when you combine the hard fall mod and the fall damage mod lol. I'm assuming the fall damage mod is programmed to hurt you when you hard fall, so when you combine them it becomes literally impossible to play properly

[dusty dagger]

Floor is lava🔥

I now want to run any% with that.....

Surely there isn't a softlock anywhere....

[stable quarry]

GL getting out of kp

[royal oxide]

I think it's more so "floor is yoga spikes"

[dusty dagger]

If gsong works it should be ok

[dusty dagger]

Ohh yeah i forgor

Surely there is enough soul....

[stable quarry]

Could be interesting with nmms

[dusty dagger]

Ew all glitches

[stable quarry]

Allglitches just get's noclip

[dusty dagger]

And what did you mean

[stable quarry]

Badfloat to leave kp

Idk for the rest there is a 0 jump tas but landing is allowed in that one

[steady lynx]

Leaving kp without landing?

[dusty dagger]

Idk glithces btw..

[steady lynx]

Does getting corner corrected count as landing

[stable quarry]

Float but bad float makes you float

likely

[dusty dagger]

What

[dusty dagger]

Like anybody knows🔥

[steady lynx]

Yeah, you don't even know how to spell glitches

[dusty dagger]

Its like that sometimes

[stable quarry]

Gusten where is the one jump kingspass vid?

[steady lynx]

Idk, ask Krythom

[dusty dagger]

I think after kp the whole game is possible

Maybe

Any% at least

[stable quarry]

This will do then https://youtu.be/xCTEazjR8nw?si=lbvHBAEefec3hAWR

[royal oxide]

I think hitless runs should be called radiant runs

[stable quarry]

I think radiant runs should be called hitless runs

[steady lynx]

Use of a controller is highly recommended

[lofty flare]

@steady lynx wanna help me lab no left presses NMMS TAS?

KP probably isn’t possible (Krythom said so, I trust that) unless you can somehow make it through fury area but beyond that I’m not sure where the cutoff point is

[stable quarry]

Are you not gonna finish 4ms nmms o.o

[steady lynx]

I rarely if ever press left in my runs, check mate

[stable quarry]

can you not ss to get left?

I was thinking you could just go over the top but then you need to press left at the end

[lofty flare]

I still haven’t been able to get mawlek to work

Literally been trying for years

[steady lynx]

I like in 4ms nmms when Mawlek just falls through the floor

[lofty flare]

Oh hold on MAYBE you can get into cliffs

But then what

You gotta go left

[lofty flare]

Yeah I wasn’t able to get mawlek to work in TAS

Maybe if I tried more fps values or more tft bullshit idk

[steady lynx]

It kinda sucks for rta since we need low fps for superslides

[stable quarry]

we can just airwalk jump up but how do we clear the spikes after?

Or does that need a left press?

[lofty flare]

Exactly

[steady lynx]

How do you get airwalk without turning around

[lofty flare]

You don’t

Now you could superslide left and do one left press to get to cliffs

[dusty dagger]

Is the thing tasses do that they walk oob over kp tas only

[lofty flare]

But then what

[lofty flare]

Yes

Also, lots of jumps in that

Okay technically it’s not TAS only

But it’s like 40 2-frame perfects in a row (to get enough height)

[steady lynx]

One funny thing is that once you get VS you can just do VS slides to move left whenever you want

[dusty dagger]

Damn

[lofty flare]

Or like 100 5-frames

Off the top of my head

[lofty flare]

Lame smh my head

[stable quarry]

I think someone attemted it and got kinda close but deffinitly not run viable

[steady lynx]

Wait, I just got an idea

[lofty flare]

Is it possible to soob out of cliffs and then airwalk up to the dirtmouth transition with one more left press?

[lofty flare]

Yeah?

[lofty flare]

That would be dirtmouth with two left presses

Cuz I really don’t think zero is doable

I’ll try it tonight

[steady lynx]

1fb

[stable quarry]

0fb

[steady lynx]

I think basically any skill lets you get up there

[lofty flare]

Goofy

[dusty dagger]

LOL?
is this lp?

[lofty flare]

It’s just QMS

[dusty dagger]

Quick menu storage

[stable quarry]

map*

[dusty dagger]

That doesnt answer the question

Its on all patches?

[steady lynx]

This is on 1028, I don't play LP anymore

[lofty flare]

BASED

[stable quarry]

Why is this literally impossible?

[steady lynx]

LP in this case being 1.3+

[lofty flare]

Skill issue lmao

[steady lynx]

If you can dupe with stags it's LP imo

[stable quarry]

you do it

[lofty flare]

I’m at the pool

I’m still on vacation I’m just also routing and tasing

[stable quarry]

@odd crane You're really good at shadeskips. help

[lofty flare]

You’re* smh my bread

[stable quarry]

what does your mean then?

[lofty flare]

Possessive you

“Your face”, “your skill”

You’re is a contraction of “you are”

[steady lynx]

"Your Myla% NMMS record"

For now

[lofty flare]

So, you are really good at shade skips -> you’re really good at shade skips

[stable quarry]

wait what? That is like my most optimized record

[stable quarry]

And your mice is really good at shadeskips?

I can't even make it with longnail I'll get mop maybe I can make it then?

[steady lynx]

We'll see what I do after I've ran Elderbug%

[stable quarry]

I though you would go for who% nmms rekkie

[steady lynx]

It's not a leaderboard category so it's not high on the list

[stable quarry]

@lofty flare are you proud of me

[lofty flare]

Yes I’m so proud

[prime pike]

that was clean bro

[stable quarry]

No it wasn't

[lofty flare]

True

[dusty dagger]

Yes i should mark my pride(i have no idea chat) of you

[stable quarry]

So I got it with longnail + mop and only mop but only longnail is soo much harder

[prime pike]

i cant speedrun

[stable quarry]

I didn't find the run ability in hk so I speed walk

[dusty dagger]

Its sprint+dashmaster smh....

Actually it's just sprintmaster

[stable quarry]

yes but that is way to slow to get for a speedwalk

[heavy topaz]

less fucking go

[dusty dagger]

Gg zvy

[heavy topaz]

Gg

[stable quarry]

I hope you realize this is a joke as mop + long nail is way easier than itemless which I wanted to do.

[sturdy glade]

No

[dusty dagger]

A tier

[odd crane]

It’s just tight, but it looked like you hit a little low on first d tank maybe, it’s always worth wiggling back if you think you need more time, makes the shade go higher as well

Itemless is just kind of brutal

[buoyant acorn]

I can smell in the air..... silksong speedrun world record soon

[steady lynx]

Who would have thunk?

[royal oxide]

Just 8 more months

https://tenor.com/view/zappa-frank-zappa-drinking-coffee-coffee-waiting-patiently-gif-17164197

[buoyant acorn]

XD

[cursive pebble]

yoo i started hk 4 the first time in fall this year and had the plan to get every acheivment and so i decided to do speed run 2 and i followed fireborns steam sport guide and i kinda got stuck becouse he didnt tell me to get the lumafly lantern and now im forced to do deep nest in darkness so i kinda need help with that

[hidden sundial]

Uhh I recall the guide definitely mentions Lantern, but in any case, it'll be quicker to just get a couple relics and do an extra trip to Lemm

[cursive pebble]

i have 3000 geo but im stuck in queens garden and i dont have a map

and also kinda dont remember the way to qg stag

and ive already wasted enough time on lurien

could i finish it in 2 hours or so?

[vagrant warren]

There are lots of maps online that can help you find your way out of QG or to the stag. Which would be much quicker than trying to learn dark deepnest on the fly

[cursive pebble]

ok thanks ill try to get out of qg without dying hopefully

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't needed thanks. This is oneof themost detailed maps available: https://hallownest.net/

[cursive pebble]

oh thank you i really appreciate it

[eternal oxide]

I just got into speedrunning this game, is there a way to down patch on the Xbox game pass launcher?

[steady lynx]

Nope

It's very unfortunate

[eternal oxide]

Awww

[regal barn]

I have made it to 100h on my save

[stable quarry]

What do you mean by wiggling back?

[odd crane]

not just holding left into the shade if youre too low

[stable quarry]

So I should be damage tanking at max height I assume but does it matter much if I am over the shade at that point? Is it possible to lure the shade to far up?

[heavy topaz]

Same thing happened to me. I speedran the game on game pass but wanted to downpatch. So I decided to buy it on steam and yes it is very possible to get your saves from xbox to steam.

[dusty dagger]

Update on hardfall+fall damage
Kp is tas only(maybe(humanly impossible idk if tas possible))

Like normal route not the oob nonsense

[lofty flare]

How so

[dusty dagger]

You have to go the crumble floor route because at the intended route you take like 3 ir 4 hits

And your ass is NOT gonna have 5hp by then

Also you need 1hp to drop in dirtmouth

[sturdy glade]

What

[lofty flare]

Smh my head just do breakable floor skip

[sturdy glade]

So is this you take fall damage on hardfalls

[dusty dagger]

Isnt that tas only?

[sturdy glade]

Yes

[lofty flare]

…

That was

The joke

[dusty dagger]

And hardfalls are every jump

[sturdy glade]

1221 🔥

Fuck it 1028 quickmap 🔥

[dusty dagger]

Ah yes kp quickmap

My favourite map

[sturdy glade]

Bro doesn't know ball

[dusty dagger]

Ik like 9 glitches yes

[sturdy glade]

Not a glitch

1028 just gives you quickmap

[lofty flare]

It’s just tc being bad

They forgot to check if you have map

[sturdy glade]

It also happens to be fucked lmao

[lofty flare]

When you use quickmap

On 1.0

[dusty dagger]

Lmao😭

[lofty flare]

It’s literally one condition

[sturdy glade]

You can also open and close map whenever

[lofty flare]

onQuickmap() { if (hero.hasMap()){} } or whatever the fuck

It should be the first condition

Then all the checks for if they should be allowed to use map

Which they also forgot

[sturdy glade]

So you can close map oob to get control and just be oob with literally no items lmfao

[lofty flare]

Because you can open quick map ANYWHERE

[lofty flare]

I love soob

[lofty flare]

And any time

Mid cutscene, mid pickup, mid transition, etc

[sturdy glade]

You can store fucking everything

[turbid patio]

super slide,,

[sturdy glade]

I wonder if you can hardfall mid superslide

[hexed thorn]

yoooo check out this sub 3h 112% run I just got

[idle cypress]

oh wow rekcah

that is really good!

[royal oxide]

So I'm almost done writing my SOCD thingie, and for some reason this is really funny to me

Partially because this is one of the few cases where this is the correct thing to do lol

[heavy topaz]

Gg

[royal oxide]

Ok it finally works lol

The code is horrible though

I don't think I wrote code this bad in years

Probably because I'm very tired and exhausted right now

Ok and now I'm getting the salubra skip almost every time lmao

[royal oxide]

Good advice 👍

[lofty flare]

Just like HK code wow

[royal oxide]

Is there anything this bad though?

[lofty flare]

In HK? Absolutely

[royal oxide]

Huh

[sturdy glade]

It's so bad bruh

[mighty vault]

there are goto statements in hk code

[stable quarry]

You do realize it's a game filled to the brim with bugs?

[mighty vault]

just wanted to say that really quick

[royal oxide]

Goto statements aren't evil

[mighty vault]

they shouldn't be used liberally and make it hard to read

[sturdy glade]

Hk has no reason to function whatsoever

[lofty flare]

Tfw I forget to check if my players need the map

To yknow, use the map

[mighty vault]

the only reason i can think of using goto is to break out of both loops in a nested scenario

[lofty flare]

I rest my case

[sturdy glade]

Unfortunately I think they're gonna have a guy who can code on silksong so the good stuff won't be there

[stable quarry]

The player tries to open map well if they are trying to open it then they must clearly have it

[stable quarry]

Yummy spagetti

[lofty flare]

Oh please, there are so much better coded games with more bugs than HK

And they just added a ton more slopes, the amount of methods for momentum storage are gonna be insane

[mighty vault]

i never realized before but this must be an olddddd fsm viewer lmao, this image existed back in 2021 too and i'm sure it was around before that as well
the ui is so different

[lofty flare]

Pretty sure it’s just an edited image idk

[sturdy glade]

Ok but I've recently made a deal with Satan to get an ab wr so I gotta get to work

[lofty flare]

This one I took on the new one

[mighty vault]

yeah i can tell

[stable quarry]

I have never looked at fsm's

[lofty flare]

Don’t

[mighty vault]

some are surprisingly neat. iirc nkg is even color coded

but a lot of them are just so, so horrible

[royal oxide]

They legitimately can make code way more maintainable and easy to read sometimes, but that's mostly for error handling. For example:

int stuff(void) {
    void* something;
    if (!make_something(&something)) {
        return 1;
    }

    void* stuff;
    if (!make_stuff(&stuff)) {
        free_something(something);
        return 1;
    }

    void* thing;
    if (!make_thing(&stuff)) {
        free_something(something);
        free_stuff(stuff);
        return 1;
    }
    
    return 0;
}

vs

int stuff(void) {
    void* something;
    if (!make_something(&something)) {
        goto error_1;
    }

    void* stuff;
    if (!make_stuff(&stuff)) {
        goto error_2;
    }

    void* thing;
    if (!make_thing(&stuff)) {
        goto error_3;
    }
    
    return 0;

error_3:
    free_stuff(stuff);
error_2:
    free_something(something);
error_1:
    return 1;
}

Though cases like this are typically solved with RAII in languages like C++, but this is the best way to do this in C for example

[stable quarry]

I do find it funny though that 1221 fb can kill an enemy off screan before it starts moving from the camera getting in range.

[mighty vault]

in c# you just use try catch

hk is a c# game

[royal oxide]

Is that an actual hk class graph?

[mighty vault]

nope

this is actual hk code!

[hidden sundial]

That's not the worst FSM

[mighty vault]

...kinda

[royal oxide]

what

[mighty vault]

tc used a thing called playmakerfsm to make a lot of the games logic

[royal oxide]

Yeah fair, I don't think there's ever a reason to use goto in high level languages like this

I just needed to get this off my chest lol

[mighty vault]

it's some unity extension thing, you make code blocks called actions and add them to states

they get executed one by one and depending on what happens you can have different state transitions

[royal oxide]

...

that sounds painful to use

[mighty vault]

it can get very messy though and figuring out how something works is horrible because the state itself just says what it's gonna do

you then have to look at what actions there are, then go fetch the action code

[lofty flare]

Oh yeah

There’s

Much worse

[mighty vault]

that fsm just used to be posted in #sr-offtopic a bunch

[hidden sundial]

Meet the Inventory UI

[mighty vault]

yeah everything is hard coded it's so fucked up

[royal oxide]

Ok I don't feel as bad now. I especially feel less bad now about the code of my small toy programming language I made a while ago lol

[stable quarry]

Do you have map?

[lofty flare]

Damnit I was looking for it

[mighty vault]

it's in shared assets iirc

[lofty flare]

Wait does map have an fsm I actually don’t know

[lofty flare]

I’m on my phone, I was looking for it in discord

[mighty vault]

isn't it a part of the ui fsm

[lofty flare]

Cuz someone’s surely posted it before

[mighty vault]

fair

[royal oxide]

Did they not have "actual" (this makes me sound really pretentious but still) programmers in the team?

[lofty flare]

Oh possibly

[mighty vault]

i have but i deleted all of my messages some time ago

[lofty flare]

They did not

The code sucks

[hidden sundial]

Yeah it's on resources.assets "Inv-UI Inventory"

[lofty flare]

Maybe I should delete all mine tbh

[mighty vault]

i mean do it if you must, deleting over 100k messages definitely wasn't fun tho lmao

[hidden sundial]

The team was one programmer only I think, and it was their first actual project

[stable quarry]

Map is clearly the best hk ability

[royal oxide]

That's genuinely insane

[mighty vault]

the game was very broken when it released

[lofty flare]

I can probably write like a vencord script to do it

[mighty vault]

it still is broken in many ways but... not like release hk lmao

[stable quarry]

That's one way to learn

[hidden sundial]

I mean, it has glitches - quite a lot of them

Like most games

[mighty vault]

no hk was broken on release

[lofty flare]

I cannot WAIT for silksong to have game breaking and hilarious glitches

i LOVE 1.0 water

It just straight up

Doesn’t work

[mighty vault]

you should try playing one of the early patches, it's genuinely impossible to not somehow do a major glitch during normal gameplay accidentally

[royal oxide]

I think I'm gonna throw away my desire to mod the game lol

[lofty flare]

1028 my BELOVED

[stable quarry]

Are we talking about the wormhole from white palace to crossroads now?

[lofty flare]

Modding 1.5 is easy

[hidden sundial]

Modding 1.5 is fun

[mighty vault]

i didn't get that far wtf

[hidden sundial]

And most of the FSMs you deal with are NOT like the one I shared

[mighty vault]

i wouldn't call working with fsms fun either way

[hidden sundial]

I'm fine with more normal FSMs

[lofty flare]

You don’t really work with them

[stable quarry]

@steady lynx do you have a clip of this?

[royal oxide]

Even if my idea involves pretty much rewriting the randomizer mod lol?

[sturdy glade]

My j Cole of the big 3 patches fr

[hidden sundial]

Depends on what you'd consider a rewrite, but it does sound like a big project

[steady lynx]

Not anymore, it was posted on reddit at some point

[mighty vault]

yeah, you do. if you're modifying something that has an fsm, you have to change the fsm. doesn't matter if you use a helper mod or not, it's horrible eitherway

[steady lynx]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/10ztimt/a_different_way_to_get_to_crossroads_original/

[lofty flare]

I meant the fsms that suck

[hidden sundial]

You kinda do or end up using some very hacky workarounds - usually it's simpler to just deal with the FSM

Oh yeah, the horrible ones I straight up ignore

[mighty vault]

this is the best thing to ever happen

[stable quarry]

I am still qurious how they managed to mess that up

[royal oxide]

Thinking about it, maybe I wouldn't have to do as much as I think I would. Does randomizer 4 use wave function collapse for generation?

If anyone knows somehow lol

[lofty flare]

Nerth would probably know lol

[stable quarry]

Glitched logic

[steady lynx]

Realistically that warp in crossroads might be the default downwarp and the game just sends you there if they forget to set where a down warp should send you

[mighty vault]

you can check if you want https://github.com/homothetyhk/RandomizerMod

[hidden sundial]

It's kind of the black box of rando for me

But yeah, that GH page has everything

AFAIK it's designed to work with progression spheres

[stable quarry]

It only happens sometimes though right?

[steady lynx]

It's only on 1210, Team Cherry fixed it for 1211 which was supposed to be release patch for Grimm Troupe

They just had to rollback to 1210 since 1211 had... Minor issues

[mighty vault]

1211 best patch

low% my beloved

[sturdy glade]

Not best patch

Loud incorrect buzzer

[stable quarry]

1211a or 1211b?

[mighty vault]

you just hate real low% gameplay

[sturdy glade]

Yes I do

[steady lynx]

I think they're named 1211X and 1211M

[sturdy glade]

Low% is fake nmg and glitched

[royal oxide]

It's kinda hard to check at a glance. Basically the question is whether it just generates a random thing, then checks if it's possible using logic, or actually uses a constraint solving algorithm

[stable quarry]

It's just a fancy walking sim really.

[royal oxide]

I'm assuming the former, considering the "attempts" counter

[mighty vault]

i haven't contributed to rando i wouldn't know

you'd have to ask in the modding discord

[royal oxide]

Fair lol

Kinda the wrong place

[formal bough]

From what I know what it does is it places a random progression item in an accessible location

and repeats

[lofty flare]

tfw my nail becomes my dream nail

[formal bough]

So like, it goes " you have 8 accessible checks. I'll put ... claw in one of them. Now you have 40 accessible checks. I'll put ... a key in one of them. Now you have 39 accessible checks [keys don't unlock checks until you have all 4]" and so on

that's my understanding

[lofty flare]

nail

[steady lynx]

No, whenever you press "Randomize" a prompt appears on homothety's screen and he moves the items around in the game manually (He has memorized logic so it's always possible)

[lofty flare]

I legitimately wouldn’t be suprised

Explains why it straight up takes a few hours sometimes

He’s sleeping

[mighty vault]

can we get him to memorize glitched logic too

[stable quarry]

Should have Gusten there instead he doesn't sleep

[steady lynx]

Glitched logic is basically "If you have claw it's possible"

[mighty vault]

okay but what about RMG

[lofty flare]

Same thing

Unrestricted wcs

[steady lynx]

With IGMMS you can probably get to basically every single item without any skills

[mighty vault]

fuck

[lofty flare]

You can just double jump everywhere

Corner wcs setups are SUPER EASY

[hidden sundial]

Laughs in breakable walls

[royal oxide]

Hmm, but how does that work with transition rando? The main reason I wanted this is because I think a room randomizer which actually makes euclidian maps would be really cool, but that would require a constraint solving algorithm. And I don't want for transition randomization and item randomization to be in separate steps, because that would result in movement items almost always showing up very early into runs, to make moving through the rooms generated without regard for traversal possible

[vagrant warren]

Why tho? Rando is probably one of the best coded mods there is fir hk and has functionality to plug in whatever else you want

[formal bough]

oh I have no clue how transition rando works colette/nerthul might be able to give insight?

[hidden sundial]

For transition rando I think it first randomizes the items and then deals with the transitions

[royal oxide]

Huh

[hidden sundial]

But I agree though in that it's one of the most flexible mods available

[steady lynx]

Yeah, I'd trust Colette with rando knowledge, I feel like if you join the modding server they'd be willing to help to some extent

[vagrant warren]

I would think the opposite. Or that they're done in tandem. But I'm not a coder

[hidden sundial]

Hell, all modding reputation I have I owe

[royal oxide]

But yeah randomizer is a really cool mod in terms of flexibility, I was very impressed when I first saw it. It's just that what I'm thinking of doing is kinda extreme lol

[hidden sundial]

I've worked on 8 mods so far and in 7 of them it's me doing Rando integration

[mighty vault]

you could look into how the hk archi does it maybe?

[stable quarry]

In rando context rmg is basically just 1mg because televator doesn't change logic and vs is now a pickup

[hidden sundial]

Plus at least 3 more mod ideas that I didn't start working (and all three would have some rando work to an extent)

[vagrant warren]

The thing is the map isn't really conductive to moving the rooms around. They don't fit nicely. There have been tools that generate an actual map for room rando but they're resource intensive and end up eith a lot of strange connections since room rando produces loops & rooms connecting to themselves

As someone who used to make their own maps, for me it's easier to have the vanilla layout and tools to navigate, than a map that's visually accurate but really hard to navigate

[royal oxide]

I'd imagine there are quite a lot of room arrangements that fit into euclidean geometry. My whole idea is making it generate layouts that can actually properly fit on a map

[vagrant warren]

That sounds so restrictive tho?

[sturdy glade]

Just make it 3d

[mighty vault]

are there algorithms for this that make this doable in a reasonable time without leaving out a bunch of rooms?

[vagrant warren]

Like, some of the fucked up combos are the funnest

Also, uncoupled exists

[hidden sundial]

Yes and no. It is a bit more on the restrictive level but the main thing is - room randomizer has an additional option to have transitions be uncoupled

And that's impossible to set in a map

[vagrant warren]

And you're never "properly" mapping that

[royal oxide]

I mean yeah I wouldn't try to do uncoupled with this, that doesn't make sense lol. I'm more so thinking of an option to make the generated map euclidean

[mighty vault]

go for it i think

worst case scenario you just release it as your own mod

[hidden sundial]

But rather than reworking the whole Rando Mod

Yeah

I was gonna say, it can very well be a connection

That works by placing constraints to transitions

And then somehow deals with the map placement

Never done that, not sure of how doable it is, but it's likely less work than rebuilding the whole randomizer

[mighty vault]

i'm just wondering how you'd implement that
do you need to, like, get the size of every room and reference them while generating? what do you do about transitions, do you include them in the euclidian part? do the elevators necessarily connect to each other? the trams too?

[vagrant warren]

Yeah, the last couple mappers (Tangled mappers & homothety's that I forget the name of) were external programs, so something in-game would be nice e for those who want it

[royal oxide]

I might but realistically I probably won't. I constantly get a lot of ideas for stuff despite having a full time job and college lol, so stuff competes for time

But if this idea will be persistent enough in my brain I might

[vagrant warren]

Also Limited Room Rando exists, dunno if that would cause problems for your idea

[mighty vault]

i'm sure you can ask the rando peeps about their implementations on the modding server though

[vagrant warren]

(Removes rooms without checks)

[hidden sundial]

Yeah I definitely recommend you ask on the modding server too

[steady lynx]

So all of WP if you're mayonnaisical?

[hidden sundial]

Quite a bunch of the bigger modders don't really read here

[royal oxide]

I'm worrying that doing that might cause insane generation times because the algorithm isn't built for this sort of stuff

[vagrant warren]

Well, especially HERE here

[royal oxide]

Referencing size? Yep. Transitions? Also yes. Elevators and trams? I'm not sure, trying to align those probably wouldn't work very well

[vagrant warren]

Elevators & tram are always vanilla

[mighty vault]

but how do you fit that in with euclidian mapping

i feel like that'd cause generation times to increase a lot

[royal oxide]

Yeah, also I'm now realizing that this is the speedrunning channel and I completely derailed everything lmao

[vagrant warren]

Just build around them?

[mighty vault]

yeah, but if you want to do that you gotta place them early, no? and if you add trams as well that gets quite restrictive i think

[vagrant warren]

I mean, the whole thing is going n g to be quite restrictive if I understand correctly

[royal oxide]

Fair lol. Also letting the algorithm imagine short "corridors" between rooms to align stuff properly would likely make that quite feasible (though it'd be necessary anyways)

[hidden sundial]

Just adding a line to the map that joins the two rooms would do it honestly

No need to have it be exactly "above" and "below"

[mighty vault]

doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose though

[hidden sundial]

We technically don't see what the Tramlevator does between transitions

[royal oxide]

Yeah, there'd be orders of magnitude less possible map configurations. I wouldn't be surprised if there'd only be a couple thousand valid configurations

[hidden sundial]

We can imagine it turns into a rollercoaster

[royal oxide]

TRUE

[mighty vault]

SURELY just pre calculate every possible one and then just randomize which one to pick lmao

no need to worry about the efficiency then

[vagrant warren]

This just sounds like how I used to do it in Slides lol

[royal oxide]

The real question is whether silksong or euclidean room randomizer will happen first

[lofty flare]

I should mod more tbh

[sturdy glade]

you should run 1114 more tbh

[steady lynx]

1114 is just worse 1028 tbqh

[sturdy glade]

dgate yippee

[weak cloud]

is the acid skip skippable in the latest patch

[sturdy glade]

you can go thru deepnest

[weak cloud]

love key i mean

[sturdy glade]

Get ismas

Why the fuck are you getting love key

[weak cloud]

is it skippable

with cdash

on latest patch

[sturdy glade]

Yes

Ok saying is the acid skip skip able implies you're skipping the cdash skip

[weak cloud]

okok ill do that then and bc im doing all achievements and i need to get all the pale ores on one playthough

[weak cloud]

my b

[sturdy glade]

Love key doesn't get you a pale ore

It gets you love tower and collector and 3 grubs and grub map

[weak cloud]

getting 31 grubs does

and i haven't kept count on how much i got

soooo

[sturdy glade]

You need ismas too for 100%

Why bother skipping it

[weak cloud]

bc with achievements you need to do two playthroughs

one with steelsoul

and without

[sturdy glade]

You can do just 1 steel soul 112

You don't need without

[weak cloud]

100 %*

[sturdy glade]

112 steel soul counts for everything

[weak cloud]

you do because you need to beat the game

[sturdy glade]

Have you beaten the game yet

[weak cloud]

theres two achievements with the nailsmith

[weak cloud]

yes about 7 times

on 3 different platforms

[sturdy glade]

Ok you're talking about beating the game so I was confused

So is this your purity file?

You also need to do banishment and neglect

[weak cloud]

my plan to beat the game in under 5 hours is done now. I hit zote head and left him there, gonna kill the Naismith and i banished grimm

[sturdy glade]

Ok

[weak cloud]

next file imma do the same but in steelsoul mode

to be the most efficient

[sturdy glade]

Ok

[weak cloud]

on different consoles and platforms

[sturdy glade]

I wouldn't recommend doing love tower for grubs though it's just not fast

[weak cloud]

i didnt keep count tho and my guess im about half way there

idk grubs off my heart yet

[sturdy glade]

Bro I want to help you talking about playing on console isn't helping me out

[sturdy glade]

Look at a map

On the internet

[weak cloud]

bro ik what im doing

if i want to get the love key

i will

[sturdy glade]

I didn't say you didn't know what you were doing

But I'm just saying you could just look at a map for all grub locations and just get a bunch

But yes you can acid skip there

[royal oxide]

This is very confusing to read

lol

[weak cloud]

but i dont need suggestions

im far too experienced for suggestions

if i wanted suggestions i woulda asked for them

[vagrant warren]

But not experienced enough to know the acid skip is possible

(which indicates you're probably not as experienced as you think LOL)

[sturdy glade]

[weak cloud]

most other skips i know of

[sturdy glade]

Sure pal

[sturdy glade]

What you know about acn acid

[weak cloud]

i know a whole lot about holllow skip

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't needed thanks. But have fun learning one of the shittiest acid skips for no reason

[royal oxide]

Bait used to be believable

[weak cloud]

i dont know abbreviations look im not trying to be cocky

[sturdy glade]

You

You just said you're far too experienced for suggestions

[vagrant warren]

AND that they knew most other skips

[weak cloud]

if i wanted them i wouldve asked

[sturdy glade]

And your name is murder backwards

[weak cloud]

bro i never changed my name ever since i was 13

point is ik most skips and a whole lot about hk

[vagrant warren]

So in like a month

[sturdy glade]

LMAO

[weak cloud]

haha very funny

[sturdy glade]

You do not know most of them lmfao

[weak cloud]

ik about the skip on queens station

ik the skip to get on the ledge on greenpath

ik the skip about no abilities blue lake

[vagrant warren]

If you think you can list off "most" skips you're already showing your ignorance

[weak cloud]

ik about the skip to royal waterways

[sturdy glade]

What do you know about say nosk no dash no cdash

[mossy brook]

google boob

with safe search on

[weak cloud]

yes i do actually with the shade and the weird creepy crawly ?

[sturdy glade]

Steel soul

[weak cloud]

look i dont need to explain these to you

point is i dont like it when people suggest things

when im clearly qualified i did this before

[sturdy glade]

Life will not be friendly to you with that attitude

[weak cloud]

if i want suggestions i will ask for them

simple

come here and ask about suggestions all the time

but when i dont ask

i dont want

[sturdy glade]

Being a prick about someone telling you that there is an easier way to do something isn't getting you anywhere but okay get your love key

Wait did you join this server today just to ask if this acid skip was possible

[vagrant warren]

No, they joined to ask how to cheat their way to a cheevo with save editing

[sturdy glade]

[royal oxide]

I just heard two very loud explosions in the sky, I'm blaming this on you

[sturdy glade]

Far too experienced

[hidden sundial]

Probably yes, but do you know that skip without having Dash?

Or the crossroads acid skip to fog canyon without items

[steady lynx]

So 2 months ago?

[hidden sundial]

The world of HK skips is insane

[vagrant warren]

Gusten stealing my joke SMH

[hidden sundial]

And half of them are stupidly specific

[vagrant warren]

Also claiming to know "most" skips in HK is wild, there's like maybe a dozen people in the whole community I'd believe if they said that

[sturdy glade]

This guy's head will explode when he sees rando skips

[steady lynx]

Oh I hadn't read that far yet

[sturdy glade]

Like maybe a handful of older rando people know a majority of skips

[steady lynx]

I feel like, kamakilled might know all NMG skips

[hidden sundial]

Kama and May are probably the most knowledgeable

[weary root]

Kama doesn't know the ones that don't exist. Checkmate

[sturdy glade]

So true eisog

[hidden sundial]

But every now and then someone finds a new slope that can potentially be used for some weird skip

[steady lynx]

I know all the skips used in speedruns, but that's only really scratching the surface of everything used in rando

[sturdy glade]

Gusten when silksong never drops will you run no major glitches or slope storage

[weak cloud]

true i apologist

[vagrant warren]

?tag noping ffs

[river axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/462200562620825600/919850262959640596/dontpingplz.png

[weak cloud]

i can say i was wrong about that

[steady lynx]

I'll run whichever I find more fun

If I don't find Silksong fun to run I won't run it at all

Shrimple as that

[weak cloud]

we good ?

[sturdy glade]

You ain't Gusten vro

[steady lynx]

Though I have requested modders try to make a mod for me that just flips Hornet upside down when it releases

[sturdy glade]

Have any said they'll try

[steady lynx]

It's mostly Peeka, he said we'll see

[weak cloud]

idk everything which concludes me to ask this

there's two ways to get to queens gardens right ?

[vagrant warren]

No

[weak cloud]

deepnest way near maskmaker and isma

[vagrant warren]

And the shade gate

[weak cloud]

whats the other way

ohhh

[vagrant warren]

Please, for the love of god, stop pinging me when I'm right here

[sturdy glade]

And lever skip 🔥

[vagrant warren]

and when you're asking a question literally anyone could answer

[weak cloud]

i do it out of habit

my bad

[vagrant warren]

I was kind of counting this with the sahde gate since that room is FC so they both guard the same entrance to QG

[sturdy glade]

Noclip through gp vessel 🔥

Noclip through spore shroom 🔥

[steady lynx]

But that's using glitches, glitches are cheating

[vagrant warren]

GP vessel you can actually get thru in ... certain unnatural circumstances that give you a VERY long nail

[sturdy glade]

No unfortunately

[vagrant warren]

like, crowd control, or Beeg Knight

[sturdy glade]

There's a trigger you have to be in

[steady lynx]

Was there ever some falling platform rando? That'd let you in if you found both the platforms guarding the root

[sturdy glade]

I think those put you in the trigger not the nail

[vagrant warren]

vines may be added to breakable walls soo I think gusten

[sturdy glade]

Rope rando

[vagrant warren]

Thats not for the platforms

that's literally just 1 chek

[steady lynx]

Isn't that chand?

[vagrant warren]

(the watcher chandelier rope)

[sturdy glade]

Storerooms chain rando

[steady lynx]

I remember when it was first added they didn't scale the sprite correctly in recent items so the full size sprite would appear

[vagrant warren]

I wonder if this is on nerthul's radar actually for vine rando

[hidden sundial]

Not to walls but probably will make it its own connection or ask to PR Rope, feels more appropiate

And yeah, the Storerooms is on the radar

[vagrant warren]

is it at all close to happening? I know there aren't that many of them

[sturdy glade]

There's >20 iirc

[hidden sundial]

Not quite close as I'm working on two higher-prio things first

[sturdy glade]

Actually not many more than 10 I bet

[hidden sundial]

One of them being adding the small collapsers to BWR

[vagrant warren]

Also, shoutouts to fully derailing speedrum channel with rando mod shenanigans TWICE in one day

[hidden sundial]

Rando is the true speedrunning

[sturdy glade]

We're locked in

[steady lynx]

I think other users are mostly surprised people are actually talking here

[sturdy glade]

Can we make this a read only channel just full of the anyag pasta

Shit for April fools we missed that

[steady lynx]

At least we got the funny

[weary root]

I'm surprised we still have blue

[sturdy glade]

He forgot

[vagrant warren]

[weary root]

Surely there's randoms asking how they get the speedrun role?

[steady lynx]

May convinced Zal to let us keep it

[sturdy glade]

Hey guys, I'm a new guy, one might say a random. My sister (attractive) encouraged me to ask for the speedrunner role. If I don't get it by tomorrow, she'll be very sad. Cheers <3

[steady lynx]

This is probably not true

[sturdy glade]

I will return with a new pasta asking for sr role later

[sturdy glade]

This message is for @raven holly and @raven holly only.

Hello Nerf (aka Nerf (aka Nerf)),

I come to you with a grand request as your biggest fan. As someone of your high intelligence would know, imitation is the highest form of flattery, and with the years I have spent imitating you it should come as no surprises that in my eyes you are the greatest person ever. Your activity within the small bit mighty group of runners completing category extensions on the patch 1.2.2.1 encouraged me to do the same for as long as I can remember (I'm an amnesiac). I hope the knowledge I have just given you about our relationship (God to peasant) makes you aware I come to you with no malice or anger, but a request to help the needy. My sister (attractive) feels that it is necessitated that I obtain the speedrunner role in the Hollow Knight Community Discord. I hope you consider this request with the same understanding that I give you if you choose to not give me the role. Cheers <3

[raven holly]

I wasn't sure if I wanted to give you the role at first, but my sister (attractive) inspired me to. Unfortunately, when I went to give you the role, I found out that the admin Zaliant (attractive) has not given me the proper permissions to do so. So, it is with sadness that I must inform you I cannot give you the role.

[sturdy glade]

As I said in my message (attractive), I have complete understanding of the situation and your incapability to give me the role requested by my sister (attractive). But also I want the speedrun role bruh 💯

[raven holly]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[sturdy glade]

Can't get it from zal cause he might unblue the role

[lofty flare]

I mean

Like 4 people have asked already

And gotten it

With the blue

[sturdy glade]

Should I send the same thing I sent to nerf to zal

[idle cypress]

speedrun

[coral shore]

Just got sub 3, this shit is too easy 😎

[idle cypress]

holy shit gg python

crazy run

[coral shore]

tyty
My second attempt

[mighty vault]

embrace the horse

[near temple]

everything is fate

[royal oxide]

Can someone link this? I can't seem to find it

Any% ngm

[static umbra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5yUX98-76A&list=PL5XUdPsMK2eanIgTDNKXJwx9HH6yOCRKG

[royal oxide]

Oh

[steady lynx]

Test

Okay, still blue

[solar zenith]

Hello

Shuu wants to try a P5 run

How should shuu proceed?

Practicing rad hog?
or just overcharmed p5?

shuu isn't that skillful to use fury rn

[static umbra]

i would recommend using the godseeker plus mod, it allows for extra options in hall of gods and pantheons, especially p5. for example, u can set it so that u can practice bosses at attuned health but with ascended arena even in hall of gods. u can also set it so that u start with fury and start with a specific amount of soul and lifeblood during hall of gods practice so that u can emulate the conditions u would be in in an actual p5 run

[solar zenith]

thankyu achy

Also

unrelated but

should shuu buy a controller?

as shuu is buying a laptop for the 1st time so basically no practice with keyboard as well as controller

[static umbra]

its is mainly up to preference i would say, ive never actually played with controller before but ive heard narts could be awkward with the default keybinds on controller. but there are some things that are a bit awkward with the default keyboard keybinds as well

[solar zenith]

Are such speedruns done on a down patched version?
Or the latest patch

[static umbra]

current patch

[solar zenith]

Ohww, shuu will figure that out by themselves

[static umbra]

ive mostly seen pantheon speedruns on current patch

[solar zenith]

Fury works different in latest one no?

Or is just just a visual diff

Cause shuu has seen various runs & it seems different

ahh wai

Not fury

Shuu meant

Fluke

[static umbra]

oh wait i just realized u cant even run pantheon speedruns on lower patch cuz godhome wasnt added back then 🤦‍♂️

[solar zenith]

Lol

So godhome was Latest hmm

[static umbra]

yea godhome doesnt exist on lower patches

[static umbra]

on current patch flukenest should be broken, idk about older patches tho. i would expect flukenest to be similarly broken on most patches tho

[solar zenith]

Yeah, even more actually as mentioned in blue's video

[static umbra]

but the relevant patch for pantheon speedruns on current patch in which i do know flukenest is pretty broken

[solar zenith]

Yuh, just the accuracy is to be improved...
Shuu could spawn kill almost all dream warriors but it's not consistent

[steady lynx]

That video was rushed and slightly inaccurate, but yes, flukes are very broken on older patches

[royal oxide]

https://youtu.be/64sChxkZSNs?t=631

How does this skip work? I can't seem to get it go for as long, and whenI try to pogo off of it it explodes

[static umbra]

u have to wait for the spore to be "fizzling" right before it explodes to pogo on it, if u pogo on it while its still moving ull just explode it instantly

[royal oxide]

Ohh

This is a tough skip

[vagrant warren]

There are some other iterations of it

[static umbra]

yea, personally i found the setups with the purple mushroom bounce to be too inconsistent for me

[vagrant warren]

This vid shows a few variations: https://youtu.be/bYsRWyHjcmM?si=TVogXgPlhW-ZU7Vb

[static umbra]

yea i use that 3 fireball method

[stable quarry]

You can run it on 1432 I doubt 1424 is allowed though.

[stable quarry]

Last I heard that version is slow and outdated acording to @pliant token

[vagrant warren]

not slower than failing other methods

[static umbra]

well i knew it was slow but is there faster and still consistent method?

[royal oxide]

Oh yeah this looks a tad easier

[stable quarry]

True, I was trying the reckahcooper epogo but Idk what the sound que is lol

[lofty flare]

You all should hop on TAS epogo which doesn’t use a pogo and works on all patches smh

[vagrant warren]

That's going to vary from person to person. Do whatever is consistent for you in runs, then practice whatever is optimal until it becomes consistent.

[royal oxide]

bahhh I'm used to pinging people

Discord should have a feature so you could make reply pings default to off for certain people

[hidden sundial]

I generally am trying to do it with two fireballs and using the bottom bouncer. Not really consistent at it but I do get it right sometimes

[lofty flare]

I love practicing what’s optimal

[stable quarry]

From what I have heard this one is pretty good. You dash when you hear the sporg spawn then buffer the secound dash hold right pogo bonk your head dashunder the wall fb twice pogo dash

[lofty flare]

We should make that a copypasta

You dash when you hear the sporg spawn then buffer the secound dash hold right pogo bonk your head dashunder the wall fb twice pogo dash

[stable quarry]

I just gotta figure out what sound the sporg spawning makes and how long they expect my reaction time to be

[hidden sundial]

Yeah this would be the one I found the easiest

[stable quarry]

What sound are you lisening to? Idk I feel like the clip goes before the sound I would think it would be.

[hidden sundial]

I ignore the sound and dash when I see the thing on the screen

[pliant token]

idk if the 2fb version is slower than other 2fb setups, it's definitely harder tho

and the 3fb version is definitely slower than any 2fb setup and not easier I feel

[stable quarry]

Why isn't the speed of them timed and written down

[static umbra]

idk i found 3 fireballs to be easier, i couldnt get 2 fireballs to work. and the purple mushroom bounce is inconsistent for me as well

[pliant token]

of course ymmv, you can try this version but I recommend trying newer setups as well, such as the one in the clip by ekkoet or meemeepogo (you buffer a full jump as soon as you land on the platform, then continue as ekkoet showed by pogoing the mushroom down below, dashing, 2fb and pogoing)

[static umbra]

fwiw this is my current setup for the epogo (i kinda modified the 3 fireball method from mathulus vid to intentionally include a damage tank for consistency sake lol), its obviously slow and bad but i want to say i have about 80% or so consistency with this, im not even remotely close to being a serious speedrunner so as long as i hit the epogo at all im happy lol

[pliant token]

if it works it works, gg

[stable quarry]

Just don't die to double dash after

[hidden sundial]

Taking damage counts as a successful pogo IMO

[static umbra]

yea i have some trouble with going fast enough for the mantis pogo to line up right but i usually am fine with entering mantis village with 3hp, and well if i die im gonna reset anyways lol

[hidden sundial]

Even if you heal after it's still faster than the safari

[static umbra]

yea, well in my setup specifically i actually am hoping for the damage tank for consistency sake but its not that great of a setup anyways so idk

[stable quarry]

I have been doing a little but of who% lately so getting hit isn't great as we continue from claw to deepnest

[stable quarry]

Yeah getting hit would give you more height so if you dash far under the wall you defginitly want that to get up

[static umbra]

what is who%, is that some acronym

[stable quarry]

It's just get the grub at the top of queen gardens lol

[static umbra]

oh

what does "who" have anything to do with that specific grub?

[stable quarry]

~25 min run

[royal oxide]

Just did it at 0.5 speed. Thanks! Now time to actually try doing it lol

[stable quarry]

It really doesn't it's just because monstahler said who ### is jonny. Jonny being the name for the grub given by Skurry iirc

[stable quarry]

Why that doesn't help right?

[royal oxide]

What?

Are saying that doing it slowed down doesn't help? Yeah, it doesn't help with memorizing the timing, but it helps with actually properly understanding what I'm trying to do

Yay, just did it at full speed :3

[stable quarry]

I am confused maybe I am missing out and should try it sometime

[royal oxide]

I think it's more helpful for a newbie like me, mostly for understanding which movement/key presses are needed

[stable quarry]

Idk might help me for something like itemless bluelake shadeskip

[royal oxide]

Yay, finally got it without also getting hit :3

Previously I was partially getting damage boosted up

[static umbra]

Nice! Now u just gotta learn the mantis pogo that’s after this and ull have that segment pretty clean

[royal oxide]

It's genuinely pretty fun seeing tricks that felt almost impossible for me become possible before the same happening again with the next one lol

[static umbra]

Yep it feels really cool to pull these tricks off the first time, but then u try to practice them to get them consistently and u start to find out all these little ways that u could screw up the trick and it can get annoying at times lol

[royal oxide]

I don't really find that annoying, because I only count a trick as being "learned" for myself when I can consistently do it multiple times in a row. I'm not there with this one yet, but I'm getting closer

The phase when you're still messing up pretty often but can adjust stuff with actual results is really fun for me

[hidden sundial]

Yeah, the satisfaction of landing a trick you don't consistently land is amazing

When you master the trick too much, the frustration of missing it grows bigger and it's annoying

[royal oxide]

The opposite for me honestly!

I find landing it once or twice, and then being unable to replicate for a while really annoying lol

[royal oxide]

I think I'm just wording this badly lmao

But the main part is that learning is fun

Basically

[tough minnow]

Trying to Speedrun absolute radiance for the first time

Defeated her 3 times while trying to speedrun

I'm playing on ascended+Overcharmed+fury of the fallen

I'm on mobile btw so I need to get used with some stuff

Also

For now

1 Minute and 20 seconds

Passed through the first 3 phases in 20 seconds

I'm excited to do faster <33

[sturdy glade]

[tough minnow]

Imma buy it once I get a PC though

It's an amazing game

I think imma get a PC this year so

Yuh

Imma go try to Speedrun her again, it's pretty fun

I just hope I don't die to a beam in the climbing phase

[kind stone]

What's the easiest category for newbies?

[sturdy glade]

Full game all skills old route is relatively easy with just a couple skips that are hard

2023 route has harder wk (still relatively easy) and ibaldur route does ibaldur

[hidden sundial]

Four mask shard % is the easiest

But it's likely not the most fun I guess

[sturdy glade]

4ms isn't the easiest

No equipment mawlek lowk hard

KP IL is arguably the simplest

[steady lynx]

The easiest full game is old route All Skills NMG, as Arcornflakes stated

[sturdy glade]

I heard low% ge is neat for new players too

(joke)

[steady lynx]

I can't even jokingly pretend that that's a real category

[sturdy glade]

At least it doesn't essence grind

[weary root]

Low equipment mawlek is hard but it's easier to learn than everything in All Skills

But All Skills is going to teach you a lot more relevant stuff if you then want to run other categories

[sturdy glade]

I said full game for as

Beyond full game KP IL has got to be easier

[steady lynx]

Yeah, it'll be difficult to be easier than KP IL

[sturdy glade]

I mean competition wise maybe not

[steady lynx]

I mostly mean to finish a baseline okay run

[sturdy glade]

Yeah

[stable quarry]

It really isn't that bad unless you want to go fast the beginner strats of 2 hits back off 2 hits are not bad.

[stable quarry]

Also KP NG+ nmg is just load in dreamgate hold right

[royal oxide]

Man timing on linux sucks