speedrunning

[vagrant warren]

Do you mean you're looking for a race? I'd suggest joinging the Speedrun & Racing server in pins.

[frosty flower]

fellas

i am actually so confused on EPOGO rn...

the exploding thingy let me pogo, nothing happens

(1.2.2.1)

nvm it was a mindblock and i was overthinking it sorry guys

[turbid patio]

Gg

[ocean elk]

Pfffffttt my new run was only 1:32

I'm so fucking slow the last few weeks

[stable quarry]

Sub hour soon

[turbid patio]

Gg new wr

[still spindle]

can i change the version of playstation or only pc ?

if not can i do sub hour in the latest patch

[turbid patio]

You can't do it on PlayStation

[turbid patio]

Wr is 32:24 iirc

Defo sub hour anywah

[still spindle]

okok is there a video for it ?

on latest patch ?

[static umbra]

the wr has some crazy routing so i wouldnt recommend that lol

[turbid patio]

You can go on speedrun . Com and copy the movement it has the video linked

But yeah don't copy wr wr does hard routing

Copy like tenth or something

[still spindle]

im only on ps

[steady lynx]

31:24, you recalled wrong

[still spindle]

sorry what ?

[still spindle]

this is on latest patch i mean buddy

[steady lynx]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight?h=Any-1-4-3-2-nmg&x=02q8o4p2-yn2p3085.21gyy061

Console runs have their own category though

[still spindle]

funny how u verified it i was super surprised haha

[stable quarry]

PS4 wr is 45 min

[turbid patio]

Whoops

[still spindle]

so is it hard to get under an hour

[turbid patio]

Oh yeah rra

Rta

Gross

[stable quarry]

Yeah rta makes console runs way longer

[static umbra]

r the load times really that slow on console?

[turbid patio]

Yep

Iirc

[stable quarry]

Wr is 36 min rta on pc soo

[analog pawn]

console also just isn't that optimised

[still spindle]

?

[analog pawn]

depends what you see as hard

you would need to practice

[stable quarry]

Shouldn't bee too hard

[stable quarry]

You pretty much need a death less run at that point I reccon

[turbid patio]

No

[analog pawn]

yeah I don't think so

[turbid patio]

Deaths are usually only a couple minutes depending on severity snd if you take safety benches they can be quite unsubstatioal

[stable quarry]

Ok I frased that wrong I reccon youd get it if you don't die

[turbid patio]

Ah

Yeah probably

I can't see it being too hard iirc

[analog pawn]

Just be like me and get first deathless run after sub 40 in any%

[stable quarry]

Like needing anything near optimized movement / bosses should not be nessesary

[stable quarry]

Mine was 45

The wk gold was real

[turbid patio]

I think I have a sub 40cant rememb of deathless probably not I was bad ghen

[stable quarry]

I am still bad☠️

[ocean elk]

LMAO

[stable quarry]

Wr by ~3 min is crazy ngl

[sturdy glade]

Must've done Garfield storage

[ocean elk]

[stable quarry]

No for such a fast time they must have discovered door storage

[ocean elk]

I'm cracked worship me /silly

[stable quarry]

My pb is actually 5:07

[sturdy glade]

Yeah, Garfield storage

[stable quarry]

Wdym garfild storage means gmms last I checked

[turbid patio]

5 hours 7 minutes is quite slow

[sturdy glade]

Garfield storage is storing the black egg door

Lock in ekko

[stable quarry]

Usually it just means gmms but it seems it has also been used to describe new discoweries we don't understand. So I guess your kinda right.

[sturdy glade]

I can't tell if you're joking or not lol

[stable quarry]

Not joking for that message

[stable quarry]

Dam I could not find an actual run I have in the 5 hour mark but I have one that is 3:23:21.30

[sturdy glade]

Garfield storage was revealed to Gusten in a dream where he stored the black egg door to skip mo, no, and mon

[turbid patio]

lmao

[stable quarry]

Link the message

[stable quarry]

Guess the category

[turbid patio]

112%

[stable quarry]

No, I have no runs of 112

[turbid patio]

107%

wait thats way shorter my bad

[stable quarry]

I have no 1xx runs yet was working on 100% TE NMMS but I kinda gave up

[turbid patio]

is it a cat extention

[turbid patio]

ic ic

[stable quarry]

I think so but it is a combo of two main cats atleast

[turbid patio]

hmmmm

i odn tknow that much of cat extentions

[stable quarry]

It never get's wings

[turbid patio]

is that helpeful????#

[turbid patio]

vertical less hk surelyh

yeah idk sorry

[sturdy glade]

Can't quite find the og message idk

[stable quarry]

And does white palace

[turbid patio]

hunters mark percent surely

[sturdy glade]

Not a %

[turbid patio]

hunters mark surely

[sturdy glade]

Only do it in aa

[stable quarry]

You know it from those hints right?

[turbid patio]

?

[turbid patio]

i dont i only know the main cats 😔

[sturdy glade]

Oh sorry lmao

I thought you were talking about 1xx

[stable quarry]

What main cat's does white palace?

[turbid patio]

its fine lol

[turbid patio]

te, 1xx

surely its low% ge

i cant rmemve rhow long low% te is

[stable quarry]

And then what cat doesn't get wings?

[turbid patio]

te

[stable quarry]

Te get's wings wdym

[turbid patio]

wtf such at this game

im leaving

anyway surely its low% somethign

surely te is too long for 3 hours idk

[stable quarry]

It was low% TE (dropless)

[turbid patio]

ic ic ic

GG that sounds fast iirc

[stable quarry]

It is raiter slow tbh

I basically did the run blind aka little to no practice

Had to look up wingless wp strats iirc

[turbid patio]

ic ic

[stable quarry]

I did see this message but here if you say garfield storage is gmms the Garfield skip would skip gmms and if door storage was possible then it would likely be on a patch pre godhome.

Idk if this is what he ment in the message though

@steady lynx What is Garfield storage? Is it not just gmms?

[steady lynx]

That's my main category

Unfortunately enough

Hey ekkoet, how does 2 save Grubfather bullying work?

[steady lynx]

I think it's just gmms

[stable quarry]

Ehm, I would have to rewatch my run that does it to recall I think.

[steady lynx]

Is it just have a Grub saved, IGMMS, save another Grub, load save with 1 Grub as daddy is throwing out reward 2

[stable quarry]

Sounds good to me

[steady lynx]

I kinda need a method of bullying fast that doesn't just yeet my save for hundo AG

And it's after I get dash

[stable quarry]

You should be able to do it at any point I beleve.

[steady lynx]

Save delete isn't really optimal for that, since, you know

[stable quarry]

Yeah, that was kinda the point of labbing that having a quick sourse of geo that doesn't yeet your file lol

[steady lynx]

I'm still in early stages of routing, haven't even decided on 1114 or 1028 yet

[stable quarry]

I was thinking about meeme runs,at the time but

[steady lynx]

hundo is basically a meme cat

[stable quarry]

Yeah why else would I want to run it smh

[steady lynx]

I kinda made NMMS awful with my Grubfather bullying shenanigans

I'll still get the sub 1:30 tho

[stable quarry]

1114 dupe?

[sturdy glade]

Guess I'm tweaking

[silver remnant]

what does cl43/44 mean?

[stable quarry]

It's just a silly radhog challenge.
Charm less radhog

[silver remnant]

oh

what’s radhog

[steady lynx]

Radiant hall of gods

[silver remnant]

oh

wtf

[ocean elk]

It's a flex

[silver remnant]

ueah i can tell

that’s insane

i can’t even beat ts with overcharged

charmed

[stable quarry]

Idk a failed challenge isn't much of a flex

[ocean elk]

You'll get it

[steady lynx]

Is it Markoth?

[ocean elk]

Isn't it unlocked after the ending too

[silver remnant]

which one are you missing

[ocean elk]

Radiance

[silver remnant]

clp5 is crazy too

im missing two achievements

[stable quarry]

Absrad, mostly just me being bad at the boss tbh

[silver remnant]

steel soul 100% and p5

[steady lynx]

clp5? You get that while doing P5 All Bindings tho

[silver remnant]

p5 is just insane

i cant beat it for shit

and for 100% steel soul

[steady lynx]

Really? I guess everyone struggles with different bosses

[silver remnant]

i did steel soul through cheesing it with logouts

and i cant beat it normally

[ocean elk]

Markoth:

[stable quarry]

I did it as a warmup for ab and then I was to bad to manage ab before I got bored

[silver remnant]

after celeste i might come back to hollow knight

need to do master mode terraria too

😔😔

[stable quarry]

It kinda makes sence tbh as absrad is way different that rad so it's the only boss I haven't gotten decent at trough random runs

[ocean elk]

My condolences gamer

[silver remnant]

for speed running does it make sense to follow the optimal route

if im just going for sub 1

[steady lynx]

I just learned AbsRad back in my Godhome Ending days

[ocean elk]

Always

[silver remnant]

ggs

i have to do farewell

[stable quarry]

I had no ge days

[silver remnant]

even if i’m just going for sub 1 hour

[ocean elk]

Farewell sucked

[steady lynx]

Wise choice

[ocean elk]

But it was pretty fun in retrospect

[stable quarry]

I would do eiter dive route, Shadesoul route, or barebones route when aiming for sub 1

[silver remnant]

alright

time to clock 500 hours on this game

100% achievements then start speed running

[steady lynx]

Don't touch iBaldur route unless... Don't touch it at all actually

[stable quarry]

Considdering the hk wr was 1:16 after being out for a week clearly the route doesn't matter to much for sub 1

[silver remnant]

what mods are good for gameplay

[steady lynx]

Badly translated

[stable quarry]

@steady lynx you don't happen to know where the video I made "showcasing" that went I can't find it

[steady lynx]

Yeah, that's why I asked, I couldn't find it either

[stable quarry]

I think it is this one.
https://youtu.be/hK1Qb2EY_3w?si=N2pjb_jSttOjHaIW

[vagrant warren]

Not with that attitude

[steady lynx]

Yeah that's it

[hidden sundial]

You don't need P5 for Steel Soul 100%

Also Moonside best mod

[stable quarry]

So how I did it in that run is you save 1 grub and then grub father gives you reward 1, then you load a file without a grub basically deleting your grub giving you reward 2. Then you save a grub just so that grubfather appears and he gives you all the rewards.

Might be obvius from watching the run but yeah

[steady lynx]

Yeah I got it now

Kinda sucks on 1114 since no Soob, but at least I can boob since I keep bench storage from when i warp to KP from Mato's hut

[stable quarry]

You also have Python's setup where you get 1 grub 1 reward, 2 grubs 2 rewards load file with 1 grub which could be faster if you pass right by a grub earlier in the run.

[steady lynx]

The 1028 route will only be limited by not having noclip thankfully

[stable quarry]

I wonder if you need to sq right after the first reward like python does. I think you should just be able to set up a file with 1 grub, get another grub and then load that save while getting the two rewards?

[uneven loom]

yo! im quite new to 112% APB and I am struggling a bit with failed champ, anyone got some tips?

[stable quarry]

What does 112 apb even have at failed champ?

[uneven loom]

5 masks, no nail upgrade, ddark and shade soul (with shamens)

but they dont rly matter in failed champ

[stable quarry]

They?

[uneven loom]

spells

[stable quarry]

Ofc they do? Like shadesoul with shamans can tripple hit on fc

[uneven loom]

dont think I can hit a triple hit lol but sure

[opaque fulcrum]

u can triple hit with the right rng

[vagrant warren]

Your nail is 5, shade soul with shaman is 20 even on a single hit, 40 on double 60 on triple. Yes spells matter lol

[stable quarry]

40* not 20

20 is vs

[vagrant warren]

Oh, I'm thinking just vs lol, still sleepy

[uneven loom]

but when you hit failed chamo you dont get soul or?

[stable quarry]

Dream nail

[vagrant warren]

You go in with soul

And dnail during stagger

[opaque fulcrum]

not on armor

[uneven loom]

lmao i havnt gotten to the stagger stage

[vagrant warren]

Well, start using spells more effectively and maybe you will. Also ping isn't needed, thanks

[stable quarry]

I haven't done 112 but in te the fight is pretty much go for double shadesoul or decending dark at the start then get a dream nail on fc mid fight which is hard but doable and then stagger him. Then you dream nail him and go for tripple hits when he is in the center slamming back and forth potencially stunning him out of his tauntrun then do that once more and he is dead.
Way easier said than done.

[uneven loom]

thanks a ton!

[weary root]

if you have shaman + twister, 4 full ddarks is enough to kill a Failed Champ phase

a full ddark means hitting with the punch, the side shockwave, and the up shockwave

[uneven loom]

sure, thanks!

[stable quarry]

Do you know how many shadesoul hits it takes? Is it 7*?

[weary root]

if they're all doubles? 5 would work

[stable quarry]

5 doubles?

[weary root]

yeah doubles are 80

[stable quarry]

Does 3 tripples not work?

[weary root]

you probably only need 4 of them to double

the problem is first phase though

[stable quarry]

True, though secound phase can be dicey with no tripples if you don't have twister atleast

[stable quarry]

Seems you need 2 nail hits too

[little olive]

Im a little confused. Is qol allowed in nmg any%, because if it isn't then how is people does inventory open mid air, for example

[weary root]

it is not

they're running on patch 1221

it got patched out after that

[little olive]

how do I change patch?

[vagrant warren]

?tag steambetas

[river axle]

Verify that you are using the correct installer and patch!

• For normal modding you should use a current patch installer (such as Lumafly or Scarab) and you must have Steam Betas set to "None"
  • Pirated copies / Unofficial ports are not supported
• Modding on 1.4.3.2 using "Mod Installer" / "Mod Installer 2" is no longer supported.
• 1.2.2.1 Modding does not have an installer.
  • You can type ?tag 1221 for info on it.

How to check your Steam Beta options:

[vagrant warren]

select 1221 via this method

If you want to have multiple versions installed at once there are tutorials for that on src

[little olive]

alr ty

btw does changing patches mess with saves?

[vagrant warren]

No, saves are global

[steady lynx]

No, but your mods will disappear if you have them

LP mods don't work on 1221 anyway

[vagrant warren]

don't open new saves on old patches. Make backups if there's anything you specifcally are worried about keeping

[steady lynx]

?tag saves

[river axle]

Important paths

Notes: These assume you're using Steam, with default locations. For GoG, locate your hollow_knight.exe folder, and then follow from there. The Save Files location is the same for all versions (except for XBox Games) and additionally contains Global Settings as well as your ModLog.txt. Some mod installers such as Lumafly can open these folders for you.

• Lumafly Shortcuts: Open Mods Folder | Open Saves Folder

• **Windows except XBox Games ** 🪟

  • Save Files: %APPDATA%\..\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight\
  • Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\
  • Mod Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\hollow_knight_Data\Managed\Mods\
  • To find Saves folder:
    1. Press [WindowsKey] + [R]
    2. Copy & Paste the Save Files path
    3. Press [Enter]

• XBox Games/Gamepass 🎮: type ?tag gamepass into chat for more info.

• Mac OS 🍎

  • Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
  • Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/
  • Mod Files: Right-click hollow_knight.app, select "show contents", then go to: contents ᐅ resources ᐅ data ᐅ managed ᐅ mods
  • To find Saves folder:
    1. In the Finder, click "Go" in the top menu and select "Go to folder"
    2. Copy and paste the Save Files path and press enter.

• **Linux ** 🐧

  • Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
  • Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/
  • Mod Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight_Data/Managed/Mods/

[vagrant warren]

?tag savefaq (better IMO for explaining how to do things with saves)

[river axle]

Save Files

What do save files looks like?

• Each Hollow Knight save file is a user#.dat where # is the save slot for the file
• You can rename user3.dat to user1.dat to set it to your first save slot
• You can keep a copy of all of your save files by copy and pasting them into a different folder on your computer

Reverting Backups

• Automatic backups are called user#.dat.bak#, where the first # is the save slot, and the second # is the backup number. You will usually have your last three backups
• You restore a backup by deleting the main file, and then removing the .bak# part of the backup version

Modded Saves

• A modded save may also have a user#.modded.json (and similarly named backup). This file and the user#.dat are part of the save

Where are the files?

• On windows, the default path for Save Files is:
  • %appdata%\..\LocalLow\Team Cherry\Hollow Knight\
  • You should just copy and paste that path directly into the File Explorer path bar at the top.
• For other operating systems (and Xbox Games), type ?tag saves into chat

I need a specific type of save file

• Various save files can be found in the "Saves" section of this page: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/resources
  • If the file you download is a .rar or other archived format, then you will need to extract it with something like 7zip

Editing save files

• MoreSaves: With the MoreSaves mod installed, you can edit save files from the Menu, by going to Options > Mods > MoreSaves
• QoL: Opening a save with QOL installed will create an extra save file called user#.json, which can be edited using Notepad or a similar text editor
• DebugMod: While not an intended purpose, you can edit some parts of your save file using Debug, such as Nail Damage, and those changes will remain even after uninstalling the mod
• Website: https://bloodorca.github.io/hollow/

[steady lynx]

Oh, I learned something new

[little olive]

Wait, if i had a save on current patch and just now switched to 1.2.2.1 is the save safe, cuz im only gonna be speedrunning new saves on the patch

[formal bough]

as long as you don't load into that save [and if you do I think just force quitting the game would be fine? you don't want to save and quit for sure]

I'd recommend backing up that save anyway

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't needed thanks. As long as you don't open it, it's fine, but it's very easy to accidentally open the wrong file

[little olive]

ight

[turbid patio]

ew 1221

[static umbra]

man i just lost like 2 mins from a run i was doing since thk somehow glitched out when he was doing that bouncing attack and started sliding across the floor after each bounce, i was at 3 hp and i couldnt adapt in time so i died 💀 . anyone else experience that before and if so, what couldve caused it?

heres a clip of it

as u can tell i was panicking hard lol

my brain just shut off and couldnt adapt in time

[stable quarry]

I don't think we know what causes this. But I'm pretty sure we have a tool in debug to force it to happen so you can practice it. It's quite rare though.

[static umbra]

how rare is it? im not super serious into speedrunning so if its really rare im not sure i should learn it

[weary root]

Like 1/200? I dunno I've seen it happen multiple times but it's never happened to me

[weary root]

We have one to force uumuu extra's I don't think there's one for this

[steady lynx]

It's a classic

[radiant spindle]

?tag 1221

[river axle]

Current 1221 Modding Resources

The Modding API is not allowed to be installed for most runs. This is used for practice purposes.

• HK Speedrun Community Discord
• Video Guide 🎦
• [Basic Installation Instructions](#modding-discussion message)
• Resources Repo

Assembly Files

You can only use one of these

• Modding API: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835911691703156746/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• Modding API with Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1102778898430824559/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• MiniSaveStates: Github
  • Note: MiniSaveStates is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for IL runs.
• Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1100137284667445408/Assembly-CSharp.dll
  • Note: This Adjustable Screenshake is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for runs.

Common Mods for 1221

A ModdingApi must be installed to use these

• Debug: Github
• Benchwarp: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835455873212088360/Benchwarp.zip
• HKTimer: Github

[static umbra]

yay i finally did it, sub 50 RTA, current patch any% nmg

also smth weird happened in the run that i didnt really know why. gruz mother only dropped 43 geo instead of the usual 50, anyone know why?

[steady lynx]

She dropped 50, some of it just clipped into the ceiling and got stuck

[static umbra]

ohhh

is it possible to get those geo?

[steady lynx]

You can walljump up and dash along the ceiling to pick some up

But generally if you do that for too long you're better off picking up a bit more city geo

[static umbra]

well it kinda messed up what i was doing since i was just short on geo for shaman stone after that, good to know that i can just dash along the ceiling though

[steady lynx]

I think worst case you can kill the husks below before Salubra, they'll respawn anyway since you bench

[static umbra]

yea thats exactly what i did, had to think of that on the spot lmao

[steady lynx]

But also also you're a bit low on geo when entering so you probably didn't pick up geo from the Mantis you kill in MV or missed some from VK

[static umbra]

oh uhhhhh i kinda did a bit of a different geo routing at the beginning since i couldnt consistently get the quick kill on vengefly king

instead of killing vengefly king i get some geo rocks that are in the epogo room

and that help me get some soul too since there are enemies nearby there

and i do 3 fireball for epogo, i couldnt really do it with 2 or 1

[hushed tulip]

started a new save for speedrunning

3 hrs in so far

just got dream nail (didnt do shade skip) and ddive

my goal is beat the game in 10 hr

then ill learn proper speedrun strats lol

(only thing I did so far is squit skip and vengefly to get mask shard)

[static umbra]

u should aim for the 5 hrs achievement, if u only 3 hrs in and u have dream nail already then definitely possible

[hushed tulip]

yea, guess it depends how fast I can get cdash

but yea that would be nice

[static umbra]

how many of the dreamers do u have?

[hushed tulip]

rn 0

but I can prolly get them pretty quick

[static umbra]

well once u have cdash ull mostly have all the necessary items to be able to get all of them

[hushed tulip]

yea

should I get wings or is that a waste of time?

[static umbra]

ull need to do a background object pogo to get into watchers spire without wings, but this is one of the easier skips out there and if u manage to get it ull save a lot of time due to not having to pick up wings

also if u dont have isma's tear ull have to do an acid skip to get to archives, but it also isnt too bad

[radiant spindle]

Hello ! I have a little issue after instaling basic stuff to get into speedrunning 1221 any% (Debug, benchwarp, timer)
Basicly when I jump, I'm locked in the air. I can still move etc, but if I press my jump key ("K" for me), I'm still locked in the air but a bit further
Idk if it's a commun issue I tried to google the problem but couldn't find anything helpfull

[static umbra]

do u have debug mod on? it might be that u have no clip enabled

r u like moving through stuff? or u still have some collision

[radiant spindle]

Yes I have the debug mod on and no clip is disable :/ I've been through the binds and none of them are assigned twice
Yes I can still move like I was on ground everything else is the same lol

oh mb I don't have collision !

[static umbra]

yea that really sounds like no clip to me

thats a debug mod thing, there should be a button on there that can disable it

idk if the debug mod on 1221 is the same as on current patch tho, since i dont downpatch

there should be a button that says cheats, click on that to expand a menu with further options, one of them should be no clip

[radiant spindle]

Yeah I see the button but no clip is no enable, and when I enable it, the character switch to a different animation (landing). And when I disable it, it returns to his standing animations

I restarted the game and did the same training I was doing and it's not happening anymore lol. I'm trying to jump between each action to see which key causes this wierd no clip

[static umbra]

yea i really dont know what couldve caused that, and now that im thinking of it, no clip doesnt really work the way u have described anyways, since jump doesnt affect the movement in no clip. it was either some debug mod thing that u enabled, or some glitch that u accidentally stumbled upon

[radiant spindle]

Yeah could be a glitch with debug like if I load a savestate while dying or stuff like that lol

[static umbra]

oh yea that could definitely cause some issues, u usually want to wait until u r respawned before loading a save state

like i have gotten stuck on a black screen before multiple times when loading savestates at the wrong times

[radiant spindle]

That's what I'll do from now ahah, we learn by doing !

[hushed tulip]

got cdash @static umbra

at 2hr39m

[hushed tulip]

got all 3 dreamers

I BEAT IT

RJGOERJGORJEOERJGOJEGJOERJGERJOGJERG

ill see my time in a sec

once the credits finish

4h 8m

final time

pretty good for a first speedrun

esoecially cause idk any real strats

did learn acid skip tho

[steady cosmos]

Anyone know an easy way to get into resting grounds without a shade skip for steel soul?

[main pier]

All ways require crystal peak

[steady cosmos]

Yay, my least favorite area in steel soul, never gotten past it...

[main pier]

Take the speedrun route to crystal dash

Then quit out

[steady cosmos]

Ok

[main pier]

What’s the other ways

Wait

I’m stupid

Team

Tram

[potent flume]

And shade skip which doesn’t require crystal peaks

[vagrant warren]

You can also just go left city > waterways > right city > elevator

[main pier]

I was trying to help on steel soul

[stable quarry]

NMG?

[sturdy glade]

Nailwalk

[stable quarry]

What does that refer to?

[sturdy glade]

Getting corner wcs using nail kb

[potent flume]

Ohhhhh ok sry then

[stable quarry]

??

[potent flume]

Sry wrong reply

[potent flume]

Meant this

[stable quarry]

Oh right I thought you ment super slide or something xD

[sturdy glade]

That's a bit quicker than a walk lmao

[stable quarry]

It's just a brisk moonwalk

[steady cosmos]

Huh?

[stable quarry]

No major glitches. If we can use major glitches then you can use wcs, di, airwalk jump, boob, soob, pfloat, slow fall, sliding float, no clip. I can keep going tbh

[steady cosmos]

How do I do the airwalk

[stable quarry]

Depends on the patch

[steady cosmos]

It's be the most recent one on switch then

[stable quarry]

On 1028 you jump land turnaround on the first frame after landing, then jump next frame and then release jump for a frame to jump in the air

Tbh I don't know how to do it on 1432. But pfloat is just way easier

[steady lynx]

turnaround and corner airwalk both work on 1432

[stable quarry]

Or wcs which is also frame perfect but significantly less cursed

[steady lynx]

turnaround was patched out in 1.5, probably not even intentionally

[stable quarry]

How does corner work?

[stable quarry]

When was bad float patched?

[steady lynx]

You walk off a corner, turnaround during coyotte and jump the frame you're back on the floor

[steady lynx]

Worst patch, 1315

[coral shore]

Not if you superslide an upslash while walking

[stable quarry]

Why doesn't that sound nearly as bad as I expected isn't cyote frames like 2 frames?

[stable quarry]

That works?

[steady lynx]

It's somewhat easy, it was added sometime in the Grimm Troupe cycle

I've not played enough 1.2 to know exactly when

[coral shore]

Yeah
Jumpless tas does that in the beginning pretty sure

[stable quarry]

Oh so that's why new old any% NMMS doesn't do it it was patched in later

[steady lynx]

Yeah, good any% NMMS has to do turnaround

I almost routed it into hundo NMMS but I had to use Mato's bench to get bench storage

[stable quarry]

Are you saying claw first is bad

[steady lynx]

It's in the basic hundo AG route

[coral shore]

Gusten is referring to 1.3 not claw

[steady lynx]

I'm saying 1315 any% NMMS isn't good

[coral shore]

It's chill

[steady lynx]

I've grown as a person in the past year, became a 1028 fan

[stable quarry]

Don't you have rekkie in 1.3 any% nmms?

[steady lynx]

Staxis does iirc

Not sure if meemee or Math beat it

[coral shore]

Would have a lot more energy to run it if not for double airwalk jump at the beginning

[steady lynx]

I'll take 100 badfloats before a double airwalk jump

[stable quarry]

Oh but you did like idk 1 year ago😅

[coral shore]

Hmmm
Idk
Setupless bad float is rather annoying

[stable quarry]

Wait why?

[coral shore]

What why

[stable quarry]

Why two airwalk jumps?

[steady lynx]

Also python I'm sorry, but I'm stealing routing hundo AG, I hope you will recover from this

[coral shore]

I was at 99%!!
Oh well, i deleted all the route notes now that you said it

[stable quarry]

Has AG NMMS been run?

[steady lynx]

peeka keeps asking me to run AG NMMS

It's probably not too hard, just go to each grub and break the jar

[coral shore]

To skip dirthmouth hardsave twice

[coral shore]

That's the gist of it yeah

[steady lynx]

Might have to use voidheart noclip to get the Collector Grubs faster tho

[stable quarry]

Oh rosie jumps right I though you ment like airwalk jump twice out of the same airwalk

[steady lynx]

That's the optimal KP IL Fast strat

Airwalk jump to Fury, triple jump to spikes, airwalk jump over the door

[stable quarry]

And this would save?

[steady lynx]

Like 5 seconds or something

[coral shore]

Everybody else from running kp il fast

[steady lynx]

Wait

[stable quarry]

No way I would do that but I could considder going for nialan's KP nmms rekkie.

[steady lynx]

That's a perfectly legal Slow run

You would in fact not superslide

[coral shore]

Huge

[stable quarry]

One airwalk jump after a fast kp can't be thaat bad right? Also would give me a reason to grind for 4 ms nmms sub 2 because with airwalk kp that seems doable

[steady lynx]

I think viably for runs you'd just do the normal KP Fast and jump over the door

That's what Krythom and I have been doing for Elegy AG runs with the wrong warps

[stable quarry]

Yes how is that not horrible enough lol

[steady lynx]

Would you believe neither has finished a run

[coral shore]

D:

I won't

[stable quarry]

I still want to do that wrong warp to bad I have skill issues

[steady lynx]

Double instant turnaround into RNG load is very fun

[stable quarry]

How often would you even win in practice? With rng load and execution being kinda hard I reccon

[steady lynx]

I have no metrics for this

[stable quarry]

Like assuming ss is 50/50 air walk is another 50/50 and then the rng is 50/50 and you have a 50/50 chance of managing to do the wrong warp that would be 6.25% chance

[steady lynx]

Those success numbers are too high

[stable quarry]

And those are preferable numbers

[coral shore]

I never got the hang of fast turns on 1028

Always felt too spooky and weird to time

[steady lynx]

I'm kinda good at them

[stable quarry]

Yeah realistically for me ss would be like 30/70 air walk would be 10/90 RNG could wary from 80/20 too 10/90 and getting the wrong warp would be 1/100

[steady lynx]

If I throw enough attempts at the wall I will get the run eventually

There's a theoretical meme in Grubfather where you do 90 instant turnarounds in a row so he throws out all the items while you're in the load, but it's probably timer abuse

[stable quarry]

0.003% chance great

So how many runs for 0.003% chance to become likely?

[stable quarry]

Do you have a clip of this?

[steady lynx]

Not of all 90 no

[stable quarry]

Grubfather giving rewards while your in a load

[stable quarry]

@coral shore you know probability math stuff right?

[steady lynx]

The current hundo NMMS does this to make him throw out two rewards in the load before I quit out

I still haven't finished a good run of it though

[stable quarry]

Because bullying?

[steady lynx]

yeah, I want the geo

I also couldn't do the soob strat since, 1.1

[stable quarry]

Right so you did the dupe strat assuming you don't go for wrongwarp in hundo xD

[steady lynx]

Never, early game sucks enough as is

I'll get a 1:2x in that category and then never run it again unless I get beaten

[stable quarry]

When my hk break ends I should just do a no reset run with breaks of 100%te nmms tbh

[steady lynx]

I really hope 1:1x is possible for hundo AG

[stable quarry]

That would be nice.

[primal hearth]

Yo

[coral shore]

I mean
Idk what you mean likely, but probability of 3/100000 means that you would expect on average 1 run per 33333 attempts

[steady lynx]

I like those odds

[formal bough]

If you want a 50% chance of hitting a 3/100000 attempt, just do 23104 attempts

If you want a 90% chance, a mere 76751 attempts should do

[shell spindle]

At that point why not just do 100000 runs to make it a nice number

Not that big of a deal

[vapid mulch]

I need

some help with Minisavestates

for the Path of Pain practice

https://github.com/hk-speedrunning/MiniSavestates
Is this the right one or what?

[vagrant warren]

That depends on what patch you're on, which you haven't said

[vapid mulch]

1.5.78

I don't like changing the patch bc it takes forever :(

[vagrant warren]

Ok, then make sure you have the release compatible with that.

[vapid mulch]

Okay so is that the right one???

I saw another post on speedrun.com that was talking about a json, but it didn't give that

it gave a dll thing

[vagrant warren]

That links to the repo, which has 3 different releases for different patches

[vapid mulch]

...nvm

[formal bough]

you can have multiple installations of a game btw

if you have the storage space, which you might not have tbf

[kind stone]

What's the best area to start learning fireball skip I ask cuz I want to get into speed running hollow knight

[vagrant warren]

greenpath, because most other areas won't really need it unless you're doing like low% or rando

[kind stone]

K so the area where u first meet hornet

Right?

[vagrant warren]

yeah, that would be the first one on LP

[static umbra]

thats a good place to do it, u can set a savestate a little before it to practice it

[vagrant warren]

most people just turn on infitinite soul, a savestate is almost overkill

[twilit nymph]

• A Random Guy Blocks Your Way.

[kind stone]

I don't have dreamgate yet that's what I'm working but I've done eveythingelse

[static umbra]

well i usually load the save state if i fall down, i find it more convenient

[kind stone]

Can't u use a squit aswell

[static umbra]

squit pogo is way easier, yes

[kind stone]

K

[static umbra]

theres a pretty consistent way to set that up too

[sturdy glade]

Nuh uh

[twilit nymph]

tf you mean NUH UH

[kind stone]

K I'll try fireball now, can I record it and send it in?

[static umbra]

wdym? like send a recording?

[sturdy glade]

Dgate noclip

[kind stone]

Yea

Just for tips

[twilit nymph]

awe dang it

[kind stone]

Damn it I can't send in a video

[static umbra]

oh yea, probably cuz u have the new knight role

[kind stone]

Ahh yes that makes sense

Ok I can do acid skip but not fireball

[static umbra]

which acid skip, some are easier than others

[kind stone]

The queens garden

[static umbra]

hmm honestly i had an easier time with fireball skip

r u using quick cast?

[kind stone]

No I play on switch not steam

[vagrant warren]

... switch has quick cast

look in your controls

[kind stone]

Oh I didn't know that

Cool

I thought that quick cast and the normal cat where th same ngl

[vagrant warren]

Focus casts the spell when the button is released. Quick cast casts the spell when the button is pressed

[kind stone]

Oh thanks

Does the charm build matter with fireball

[vagrant warren]

no

[kind stone]

Sweet

[static umbra]

usually u would have no charms equipped at that point if u doing any%

[kind stone]

Oh ok thanks

[honest summit]

Just finished my first run, 2hr 40 minutes with no real route just winged it

[stable quarry]

You could get soul catcher but at that point it would be faster to skip the fireball skips and do the vengefly pogo

[teal stump]

does anyone know if u can send ban appeals to the speedrunning server? (i basically got my dc hacked a week ago lmao)

[steady lynx]

I'll check it, gimme five minutes

[teal stump]

okay thx!

[steady lynx]

Should be unbanned now, thanks for reaching out

[teal stump]

nice, i appreciate it, thanks!

[turbid patio]

A savestate is 327299272 better IMHO (someone who does a 1 fb) because then your sublicense are good

[final ember]

Is there any way to do shriek pogos more consistently

[neon tartan]

Hi everyone ! I came on the server in order to begin speedrunning and i wondered if any of you had some kind of beginner guide for HK or overall tips for the game ^^

[static umbra]

you can check the pinned messages for a link to some speedrun guides

[neon tartan]

how come i always forget abt pinned...
Thanks a lot !

[restive panther]

hey guys im new here from china. i've looked through the previous talks and wondered why there is no discuss on yihou's new all skills route

he managed to skip the vs and directly went into the greenpath

with the final time of 50:38

here's the link on bilibili http://b23.tv/BV1Tk91YnESp

[thorn jasper]

it was discussed in the speedrunning server which you can find in the pins

itemless baldur in general has been discussed in various channels for over a month

[restive panther]

oh sorry i've noticed that earlier and gone reading those discussions

ty for ur detailed reply

[rain kraken]

On Nintendo can I change the patch?

[sterile snow]

Is there a TAS being made for the newer baulder skip route

[sturdy glade]

No

[vagrant warren]

I think ots personal preference & it's good to give people options. I also doubt most new runners are doing 1fb

[vagrant warren]

TAS server would probably be the place to ask about that

?tag servers

Oh bother is the bot dead?

[sterile snow]

No idea

[stable quarry]

Sublicense? You mean sub pixels?

[turbid patio]

yeah

[stable quarry]

I don't think 1 fb is worth risking the run for though even with 90% consistency. Unless your low on soul for some reason

Besides the 1fb for the third fb skip is easier anyways so I'd deffinitly do that one over the one at squit gap

[steady lynx]

If you're going for WR in some category that does fireball skips, it might be worth it

[stable quarry]

For 0.1? Iirc

[steady lynx]

The main timesave comes from saving the soul

[stable quarry]

In comsob I could see it but the hornet fight will determine most of that anyways

[stable quarry]

Yeah you can save an additional 0.2 from that iirc

You loose out on some geo though as that skips the moss

It is fun to do 1fb though so that is one reason to go for it.

[weary root]

The route was partially inspired by an existing tas

[sterile snow]

Do you know where i can find that?

[weary root]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=patXzF3Q3Wk

[steady lynx]

The big route differences are that the TAS manips Baldur spits so a shade isn't needed for iBaldur and the TAS doesn't get a Nail upgrade

Human runners get a nail upgrade to make Uumuu 2 cycle possible, while the TAS just oneshots Uumuu with an Ouma core

[thorny creek]

How are you moving so fast

[weary root]

this is a TAS (Tool Assisted Speedrun) basically it's the computer giving the game a bunch of perfect inputs

[thorny creek]

So impossible without macros then?

To do that dash thing anyway

[weary root]

a lot of it yeah also even a human playing with macro's couldn't do a lot of the stuff this does

[thorny creek]

Wait so the computer is playing the game?

[weary root]

yes

a human has programmed the inputs

and the computer runs them

[weary root]

yeah that's wall cling storage which humans can do in some places but not like this

[thorny creek]

I see

[weary root]

also this kills Uumuu with an ouma core which is definitely impossible for humans

[thorny creek]

How did it get to Greenland without vengeful spirit

Greenpath

Thanks auto correct

[weary root]

you can get knockback from getting hit which gives enough speed to hit the baldur with nail before it closes

[thorny creek]

Dang

[weary root]

humans are currently doing this but using a shade to get hit cause the spits from the baldur are very inconsistent

the TAS manipulates rng to get the close spit every time

[thorny creek]

Mmm

Who holds the current best human speedrun

[weary root]

skate king for No Major Glitches
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight

but Lep has a PB with Itemless baldur that is in 2nd place, just hasn't been verified yet

[thorny creek]

Ah alr

Ty

Where are the recordings?

[weary root]

if you click on the run it should bring you to the video page

[thorny creek]

Oh nvm

Why do they open their menus so much when falling

[weary root]

uncaps fall speed

[thorny creek]

Also how come he mainly aims up when swinging at mobs that are infront of him? No knockback or something?

[static umbra]

u dont get knocked back horizontally when u hit an enemy with an upswing, which saves time

[thorny creek]

I see

[plucky notch]

I wanna start speedrunning, should I start with any% nmg?

[static umbra]

yea i found it pretty approachable, the run isnt too long nor too short, and u dont even have to do many of the skips that the top runs do.

[plucky notch]

what is a good time to aim for when starting out?

cause I did 2 hours without routing and picking up a lot of grubs/charms

[static umbra]

i would say around 1 hr 15 mins (im basing this off the time shown after the final credits since thats what i use, im not an extremely serious speedrunner so i dont use livesplit, which has a different timing) is pretty good for a first attempt, since the any% bosses are quite hard with the upgrades (or lack thereof) that the route picks up, so u may die a couple of times

[plucky notch]

alrighty, thanks a lot

[static umbra]

livesplit removes the load times which is like a 5-10m time difference with the time shown after credits, if u use livesplit to time ur run then i would say like a 1hr 5 min time would be very good for first attempt

[plucky notch]

I struggle with uumuu, not cause its hard but it takes so long without a spell like shade soul that goes through walls, got any tips on that?

[plucky notch]

got it

[static umbra]

u generally want to try to lure it to the middle platform before quirrel opens it up to be able to deal the most damage. also, as uumuu is invulnerable and doing its attacks, u should always be on the lookout for opportunities to dream nail uumuu so that u have more soul for when uumuu becomes vulnerable. vengeful spirit is gonna be ur best source of dps so u want to use that as often as possible; u might even get some double hits which is really good for damage. for a more casual runner such as myself (and u as well), a 4 cycle is what u want to aim for, and if u r lucky u could get a 3 cycle. 2 cycles is what is done by top speedrunners but ive never been able to hit it, even in practice.

[plucky notch]

yeah alr that makes sense

is a 1 cycle even possible?

[static umbra]

with the abilities and upgrades that any% collects, no

i think even a 2 cycle is barely possible with what the speedrunners are doing

like its really tight timing

[plucky notch]

mk

[static umbra]

uumuu has 300 hp, and ur nail does 5 dmg (9 if u do for nail upgrade), and vengeful spirit does 20 dmg. so for a 2 cycle, ull need to deal 150 damage per cycle, and with that kind of dps u can see how it would be difficult to get a 2 cycle

[plucky notch]

vs does 20 even with shaman?

[static umbra]

yes, 15 without and 20 with

[plucky notch]

oh dang

about 9 nail hits and 6 vs oh god

wait

double hits

6 nail hits and like 4-5 vs

or just 3

idk

[static umbra]

u can watch the wr to see how they get the 2 cycle

[plucky notch]

right yes

[static umbra]

i think they have a specific setup for it where they lure uumuu to a certain spot to get the 2 cycle, but thats out of my knowledge since im not particularly close to having a top time

theres definitely more experienced runners in this channel who could elaborate on how to get the 2 cycle

[plucky notch]

okiedokie, tysm

watcher knight I never particularly struggled on, it was just my spacing wasn’t great, I got myself stuck into a bunch of corners

[static umbra]

yea watcher knights with just vengeful spirit can be difficult

[plucky notch]

mhm

[weary root]

Legitimately just finishing a run is great
A lot of people give up before that point

[plucky notch]

alrighty

[stable quarry]

Kinda depends on the patch imo the 1221 2 cycle is easier than the 1432 2 cycle.
But the 1432 2 cycle is really fun
https://youtu.be/96cz-bZhzBA?si=KpLA5tdkNWgXSmpk

I think it took me 8 hours of practice to even get it once😅

[plucky notch]

oh lord

[stable quarry]

The 3 cycle isn't to bad though if you know what your doing.

[static umbra]

yea ive hit 3 cycle many times in practice, but i could never get 2 cycle, and gave up on trying to do it lol

[plucky notch]

could you send a vid of what a 3 cycle looks like?

[static umbra]

also uumuu's extra attacks really mess me up sometimes, usually when i get a 4 or 5 cycle its cuz i really got caught off guard by an extra attack and barely deal any dmg on a cycle

[static umbra]

if u lure uumuu near the middle platform each time it shouldnt be extremely hard to get 3 cycle. it still takes some practice to get used to uumuu's attacks and movements and how to lure it around but eventually ull get a rough feel of how the fight should go ideally

[plucky notch]

alright, practice makes perfect

thanks you both for real, my screen time is gonna cut out any minute now

[stable quarry]

https://youtu.be/u4up6M9Z66I?si=ztkOWcu1Lje4O4na

Idk why I have ismas tbh

[stable quarry]

I would lure Uumuu to one side for 1432 3 cycle just like the 2 cycle. Fir 1221 you wan't to lure it to the senter but on 1432 we want to take advantage of double hits

[static umbra]

whats the difference in the uumuu fight between the two patches anyways?

[stable quarry]

Uumuu doesn't get stuck in the platform on 1432 while in 1221 it does

[static umbra]

ah okay, i usually just lure it to the middle since theres more space to stand there but that makes sense to lure it to one side. but how to back it up if uumuu does extra attack and u want uumuu to stay on the side?

maybe just lure it to the middle in that case?

[stable quarry]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1UwDNFbi-DD4teaTPKExUIUt-A_opfG0sc3fErcaTyTk/mobilebasic

Been a while since I practiced Uumuu but frying whales had this great guide

[static umbra]

ah okay thanks, i see how to back it up now

tbh i dont think ill be hitting this 2 cycle any time soon, it looks really precise in the timing. ill probably just try to get consistent 3 cycles

[stable quarry]

I would reccomend practicing the 2 cycle because it makes 3 cycle easier ime

The main thing for 3 cycle though is soul gathering

If you have full soul all 3 times then your way more likely to 3 cycle. Hp is more of an issue on 3 cycle compared to 2 cycle though.

[static umbra]

yea makes sense, i find it really easy to get hit when trying to dnail uumuu. i can get consistent 4 cycles but yea usually my soul gathering isnt that great

[analog pawn]

the best way to get a 3 cycle is just to fail 2 cycle

[halcyon pewter]

A

[sturdy glade]

B

[steady lynx]

C

[stable quarry]

D

[hidden sundial]

E leven cycle Uumuu my beloved

[carmine meadow]

any tips for someone starting out learning the 112% apb route? I feel like p5 is just so inconsistent. So anytips for the run and any tips to consistently beat p5

[still lodge]

godhome sucks be prepared to die a lot in practice

segment practice is very very useful

(and dont do fluke panths lol)

[carmine meadow]

how do I set that up other than doing a run and a lot of dream gates/ saving and quitting?

I figured

I use nail builds

[still lodge]

in the speedrunning server theres savestates you can use

[carmine meadow]

oh okay

whats the server called?

[still lodge]

its pinned

[carmine meadow]

how do I find that? Im not used to discord

nvr mind

[idle cypress]

not just practice

be prepared to from hundreds of paces in godhome

this is a topical meme for this

made this after throwing yet another sub 3 pace

[still lodge]

so true

[naive spire]

A

B

C

D

E

F

G

H

I

J

K

L

M

N

O

P

Q

R

S

T

U

V

W

X

Y

Z

Now i know my ABCs come again and sing with me

[sturdy glade]

Bro said the last sentence wrong smh

[steady lynx]

Å
Ä
Ö
You forgot these three

[sturdy glade]

Ü

[turbid patio]

man is stil lusing the outdaated alphabet

did you forget that alphabet song 2 dropoped

[cyan creek]

Ñ

[shell spindle]

smh sing the QWE's

much easier to type

[willow trellis]

hello! does anybody know why my lumafly lantern split doesnt auto split when using livesplit 🥲

running on current patch using the NMG Any% 1.4.3.2+ splits

[grim iron]

who the hell is singing the alphabet song

[shell spindle]

Children

[grim iron]

ah

[thorn jasper]

can you send your splits and/or a video?

[ocean elk]

New run: 74 mins
We're back in business

[smoky pine]

why does any% nmg 1.4.3.2+ use isma tear route?

why cant we use c heart?

[turbid patio]

Faster

Slopeball means getting wings and then ismas is faster than c heart

[smoky pine]

then why doesnt 1.2.2.1 use

[turbid patio]

Slopeball isn't in 2221

1221

Meaning isma route would be alot slower

[smoky pine]

i want to learn 1.4.3.2 run does anyone have a guide?

[turbid patio]

Look in the speedeunnijg server

Link in pins

[smoky pine]

whats the fastest time anyone got WITHOUT isma route in 1.4.3.2

[turbid patio]

32 something

If I had to guess

[smoky pine]

thats fast

[turbid patio]

1221 is only a min faster than lp

[smoky pine]

whats wrong with fury route in lp

[turbid patio]

I presume its faster just hasn't happened yet

But I couldn't tell ya idk that much about I balur lp any %

[sacred thunder]

You can’t do the new isma skips without fireball

So you have to choose between either ibaldur, or ismas route

And I’m not sure it’s clear which is faster

[lofty flare]

Either way ibaldur is PEAK

[sturdy glade]

Ibaldur LP is slower than ismas

[mild bay]

going to start speedrunning the game, anybody know a good route to start doing getting familliar with speedruns?

[vagrant warren]

Well, which speedrun?

[mild bay]

any% no major glitches

[vagrant warren]

There's lots of good routes & resources in the pinned server, but most people would suggest picking a category to start

Yeah, join the server in pins, and decide of you want to run latest patch or 1221

[turbid patio]

Ewwww 1221

[mild bay]

lever glitch was peak

[turbid patio]

Stall ball peaker

[mild bay]

i started playing during this patch

[pure vortex]

go to false knight, skip false knight, get vs, go to greenpath (don't bench) and get dash (and also beat the 2 moss knights before hornet and get the rocks for geo). quit out to mound. Go to fungal wastes and get claw. Go back to mound. Open crossroads stag. beat gruzz mother and get sly, get shaman stone and bench (put it on). Die on the right side and do a shade skip to blue lake. Go to king's station, get gorguous husk, beat watchers. get some relics and sell to lemm, stag to dirtmouth. Get lantern, stag to crossroads, go to peak. Get crystal dash and quit out to dirtmouth bench, go to fogcyanon via crossroads acid skip. Get monomon, go left until the room with the acid lake. do an acid skip to get to queens gardens and go to the dim room to go to deepnest. Go to herrah. Then buy the deepnest stag and go to dirtmouth. Go to thk and win

[turbid patio]

Thx

But I love go left after mobomon

I live wraiths

[lofty flare]

Yay TE shriek route enjoyer

[heavy topaz]

Id rather go for vengfly king instead of the two moss knights cus it faster

[pure vortex]

two moss knights give more geo

with the rocks

[heavy topaz]

Ik

[heavy topaz]

Is there any way to go to godseeker mode and not have nail upgrade or upgraded spells

[turbid patio]

Debug mode

Mod

[heavy topaz]

Ok

Ohhh

Yea me stupid

[analog pawn]

moss knights is faster

because it gives you more geo and lets you skip a devout in deepnest because of that

if you play on 1221

on lp vengefly king is indeed better

because you get more geo from other places

[turbid patio]

Grubnote

Just fo all akills horn toy get both

[shell spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-stroke-reading-that's-what-she-said-gif-2753018664090879181

[normal aspen]

All skills gets both yes

[turbid patio]

Yep and that's why it's tye best cat

[normal aspen]

Me when I'm in a spelling competition

[turbid patio]

Dhisg

[normal aspen]

So true

[steep elm]

is it possible to use shade cloak without dash

[steady lynx]

Not that I've found, tell me if you find a way

[sturdy glade]

You can get it p easy

[stable quarry]

I'm not sure I'd say easy

[steady lynx]

Getting it without dash isn't hard in the slightest, it's just that you can't use it

You just get VS and then pfloat and soob to it

[sturdy glade]

Oh I still have to route useless upgrades

[dusty dagger]

You get vs and then what and what

[dusty dagger]

Technically question was can you get it,so the answer is yss

[steady lynx]

I'm trying to figure out what this word means, can anyone help me?

[stable quarry]

Does this get jonis blessing?

[steady lynx]

It should get Thorns of Agony when not playing on 1006

[sturdy glade]

It's dash slash shade cloak dm no dash

[dusty dagger]

My bad

[stable quarry]

Not even getting 2 vessel fragments and 3 masks shards?

[sturdy glade]

Prolly that too

[stable quarry]

And a white fragment?

[turbid patio]

What about 2 flames

Or does gc counting as a charm mske it too usefull

[sturdy glade]

I mean the point was upgrades that do literally nothing

[turbid patio]

What about 999999 heo when you have bought everything

That should be a speedruj cat

[stable quarry]

Are charms not uppgrades?

[stable quarry]

That sounds awful atleast nmg.

[hidden sundial]

Do colo 500 times or kill a million Great Husk Sentries with Greed equipped

[dusty dagger]

Thats so fun!

(You could technically at the same tine get some colo wr like speed or hitless or both so thats kinda fun lmao)

[stable quarry]

Doubt you'd likely use safer strats that collo 2 wr does because dying is 2 min timeloss.

That and getting all the charms they use are prolly not worth it anyways

[dusty dagger]

Idt you need all charms

Strength is money nail 4 is money so you get those

Shade soul is money so you might as well

And i think its already a terribly long category so losing a few minutes wouldnt matter

Especially when youre worlds first

[stable quarry]

Right the spending thing.

[turbid patio]

oh get all charm notches but without any charms

exclucding grimm notch ofc

and the salubra ones

so like 2 notches but still

[sturdy glade]

Idk I think shade cloak no dash is inherently a different kind of useless than like charm notches

[lofty flare]

Would you rather have unlimited charm notches but no charms or charms, unlimited charms but no charms?

[static umbra]

how would u have unlimited charms and no charms at the same time

[steady lynx]

Main Menu Storage, Idk

[sturdy glade]

The same way you would have unlimited games and no games

[stable moon]

why would you pick that when you could have unlimited bacon but no games

[dusty dagger]

Salubra has at very least 3 notches

[steady lynx]

Normally 4

[dusty dagger]

Kind of expected

So you get colo,canyon and orges notch charmless

[lofty flare]

Because you could have games, unlimited games
-# but no games

[turbid patio]

Sounds like a good deal to me

[stable quarry]

Sounds like some game abnoment abonnent you have accses to infinite games but you own no games

[slim rapids]

hey, i'm trying to speedrun for the first time, would someone with experience be willing to watch/give advice for my attempt?

please

[vagrant warren]

If you're looking fir someone to hop in vc that's unlikely but if you want feedback on something specific you can post a short clip here

[heavy topaz]

GUYS I JUST BEAT HOLLOW KNIGHT IN UNDER AN HOUR

[static umbra]

ggs

[heavy topaz]

im feelin inhuman

[static umbra]

yea i felt the same when i first got sub hour too

[heavy topaz]

whats your record?

[static umbra]

48m36s rta (the time shown after credits, not livesplit time)

[heavy topaz]

oh

then you would have like 44 minutes

damn it fast af

[static umbra]

eh i still do mainly casual strats, i dont do much of the actual speedrunner skips like fireball skips and qga

[heavy topaz]

oh

i cant do qga so i dont do it

[static umbra]

me neither

the only hard trick that i actually know how to do pretty consistently is current patch epogo

[heavy topaz]

same

but i lost it

but 48 minutes is fast af without most of the skips

[static umbra]

yea, it couldve been at least 2 minutes faster without some small mistakes here and there, ive actually had a run be on 45 mins pace but i died to thk due to some weird thk bug

[heavy topaz]

same

[heavy topaz]

I JUST DID QGA :D

aaaand i cant do it again

[static umbra]

yea it takes an insane amount of practice to get it super consistent, usually it feels like luck to get it

[dusty dagger]

Is qga the hardest(normal) acid skip?

[heavy topaz]

probably

[dusty dagger]

Normal as in,cdash and claw

[heavy topaz]

in nay% yes

any*

[dusty dagger]

In general

[heavy topaz]

well idk

the acid skips to get to teacher is easier than qga

[dusty dagger]

No shit

I would never think cdashing over acid where you have years of linience instead of seconds is easier tbh

[heavy topaz]

should i speedrun hollow knight or should i do my homework?

[analog pawn]

the one in kingdoms edgr might be harder than qga

[dusty dagger]

Under bardoon acid? Im kinda consistant on that one

I just never really need to do qga lol

So i cant tell how bad it is

[heavy topaz]

try it

[compact verge]

is that a question

[heavy topaz]

no

[compact verge]

u know what to do

[heavy topaz]

yup

[compact verge]

wht u running

[heavy topaz]

any%

[compact verge]

nice nice

whts ur pb

[heavy topaz]

56:16

[compact verge]

not bad

[heavy topaz]

im kinda new

[compact verge]

how many hours u got

[heavy topaz]

on both xbox gamepass and steam probably like 130

[compact verge]

i mean if ur pb is 56 and u have 130 hours ur on the right track

[heavy topaz]

yay

[compact verge]

u have any specific things u struggle with?

[heavy topaz]

yes, not taking damage

[compact verge]

yea alright thats just experience

[heavy topaz]

i stuggle with some skips

like to do them first try

but i havent practiced enough for that

[compact verge]

what skips

[static umbra]

tbh u dont really need to do most of the skips for a relatively fast time

[compact verge]

or just skips in general

[compact verge]

were going for sub 30 here

nah kiddin

[static umbra]

bruh nobody has a sub 31 not even talking sub 30

[compact verge]

i know i know

[sacred thunder]

Under bardoon acid skip with no wings is another hard acid skip
Rando adds water skips, some of which being really hard, including going to fluke hermit, and pale lurker idol (iirc)

[heavy topaz]

general

[compact verge]

yea thats just a case of practise

[heavy topaz]

i struggle with all the bosses too

plus beasts den

[static umbra]

yea beasts den is also a section i need to do some practice on too, its super late into a run so i just play that one super safe

[compact verge]

but do u like not know the route or r u just underexperienced

[sturdy glade]

Plenty of people have sub 30s wdym

[heavy topaz]

ik the normal any% route

[compact verge]

30s? thats another level

[heavy topaz]

just that i dont do qga

[compact verge]

why

[heavy topaz]

well ive only got it one time

[sturdy glade]

Plural 30

[compact verge]

if u practise long enough u can get it pretty fast and its huge time save

[compact verge]

plural?

[heavy topaz]

yea ik

[sturdy glade]

Like

Multiple

Also optimally qg any% route is 40s faster and I guarantee you're probably not doing qga and qg optimally

[compact verge]

but in my understanding ur saying multiple people have done any% nmg sub 30 seconds?

[heavy topaz]

what catagory should i do that is pretty easy

?

[sturdy glade]

No

I never said fhat

[compact verge]

oh sorry i tought

[sturdy glade]

Full game all skills

Probably some easier memes

[compact verge]

i think just focus on any% but u can also try longer ones

[sturdy glade]

Plenty of people have beaten the game in under 30 minutes

[heavy topaz]

ok

[compact verge]

no...?

[heavy topaz]

?

[sturdy glade]

If you're looking for easy do not do any% do all skills

[heavy topaz]

are you talking any% no major glitches?

[sturdy glade]

No

[compact verge]

then what cat

[sturdy glade]

Any%

[weary root]

with glitches

[compact verge]

ohhh

[heavy topaz]

oh

[compact verge]

yeah alr

[heavy topaz]

then plenty done sub 30

ig

[sturdy glade]

Eisog ruining my mild technicality trolling smh

[compact verge]

guys what if we could skip crystal dash

[sturdy glade]

We can

[heavy topaz]

ismas

[sturdy glade]

Wall cling storage

[heavy topaz]

but it takes more time

[compact verge]

on nmg

?

where

[sturdy glade]

It's literally faster to do ismas on lp fwiw

[compact verge]

not on any

[sturdy glade]

Yes

[heavy topaz]

?

[sturdy glade]

On latest patch any% it is faster to get ismas

[compact verge]

but on latest u cant save on lever skip

so its slower

[heavy topaz]

yea

[sturdy glade]

It's a separate board

[compact verge]

wdym

[sturdy glade]

It's not the same category

[heavy topaz]

no

[compact verge]

were talking abt any% nmg tho

[sturdy glade]

1432+ any% is a different board than any% nmg

I'm just bringing it up

[compact verge]

yeah but does anyone like run any% with glitches fr

[sturdy glade]

Yes

[heavy topaz]

yes

[sturdy glade]

Absolutely

[heavy topaz]

but i dont

[compact verge]

is that even fun

[sturdy glade]

Yes

[compact verge]

cant find the fun in it myself

[sturdy glade]

It's basically playing a different game but it's really fun

[sturdy glade]

Have you tried glitches?

[compact verge]

yeah

[sturdy glade]

What glitches

[heavy topaz]

main menu storage?