speedrunning

[sturdy glade]

Before lifeblood (1.3) you can y'know pogo the explosion

As per the name epogo

[mild root]

ah yep

no fireballs needed they just jump pogo explosion twice

1.2.2.1

[sturdy glade]

Mostly 1221, but it applies to 1028 and stuff too

(run nosk% 1037)

[static umbra]

yea i was talking about the epogo on current patch, they do fireballs and stuff to stall in the air, it looks complicated

[sturdy glade]

Pantapogo go brr

[mild root]

What do you do instead of QGA?

Is there another route or do you just get isma's

[static umbra]

u enter deepnest through the fungal entrance

[mild root]

oh wait

im stupid

you don't need queen's

[sturdy glade]

Well lp is different

Either you do the 1221 route (qga) or ismas route (hell on earth)

[static umbra]

wait but i literally entered deepnest through fungal wastes just fine

and im playing on current patch

like after getting monomon i go down through queens station to fungal wastes, then down and to the left towards the entrance to deepnest

[sturdy glade]

That works but is slower

If you play on 1432, you can get spore shroom otw to deepnest and get a ton of value in thk

[static umbra]

yea, i know its slower but its the more casual route

[sturdy glade]

I mean I could also recommend dive route

[static umbra]

how fast (or slow) is that route?

[mild root]

Oh it's faster to get Isma's on current patch

that's crazy

[sturdy glade]

Fwiw ismas route requires several slopeballs and some other crazy shit

[weary root]

Yeah the the skip to get to isma's is:
Spike tunnel to get into right side waterways
First acid skip: fireball to airstall + push back - dash - wings
Enter the transition and come back through to set your hazard respawn
Skip back the way you just came so you can gather more soul and then dunk in the acid to return to aforementioned hazard respawn
Second acid skip: dash off the platform so you can dash again - fireball twice for more distance - wings up to a specific point so you can slopeball
If you fail the slopeball you get to go back through the transition and skip back again so you gather more soul and heal 🙂

[sturdy glade]

Yihou isn't real bro the skips are crazy

[hidden sundial]

Spore Shroom route is the beginner friendly IMO. The time loss is there but unless you're going for top times you probably can get value off it

[stable quarry]

For beginners I'd reccomend shadesoul route personally. Sporeshroom route doesn't really change the run in a drastic way you skip qga and you get an easier thk but thk isn't the hardest boss in the run anyways

Sporeshroom can be wery fast though. I could personaly get a pb with it.

[steady lynx]

Console any% NMG did spore shroom for a very long time even

Not sure if they still do

[hidden sundial]

In CP THK is quite a nasty fight and ruined more runs than WK for me

[stable quarry]

Personally I still struggle the most with wk.

[stable quarry]

I though that was just straight up faster on console because of loads?

[steady lynx]

Probably not, it's just that nobody wants to do QGA with half a second of input delay

[stable quarry]

Fair I don't get why they want to do any% wk with that delay though

[hidden sundial]

Also I think consoles have 1.4.3.2 meaning Spore Shroom is also good

ty I think <@&283547423706447872> want it

[stable quarry]

I though it was 1433 but yeah sporeshroom is deffinitly good

[hidden sundial]

Could be, not sure of the exact patch but I do know it's somewhere between 1.4 and pre-SS nerf

[weary root]

1432 and 1433 are exactly the same, some consoles have one and some the other

[chilly hazel]

Hello! So I know this might not help with speedrunning but it's a glitch I might've found. I play on switch and I'm just casually playing the game, but I died as I grabbed my shade and it said in the top it gave me my 1000+ geo, but it kept going up until my screen faded when I died. it got up to 3000. I tried taking a screen recording but it didn't let me for some reason, and I died before I could grab my shade again. So I don't know if it was a visual glitch that made it just kept going up, or if I was able to get the shade back if it duped the geo.

[steady lynx]

It's purely a visual glitch which happens if you gain geo while dying, the geo will still be what it should be after getting the shade back

[chilly hazel]

Oh ok. Sorry, I just thought I’d mention it because I wasn’t sure or not

[obsidian osprey]

can we use dash slash to open this gate ?

[sturdy glade]

P sure that one doesn't work w dash slash

[woven forge]

No it won’t work

[honest gulch]

Two quick questions, is there a way to kill Hornet in greenpath to get dash in a way that keeps her alive? Alternatively is there a patch where acquiring Shade Cloak in Abyss gives you Shade Cloak

Cause getting down there with Debug, Shade Cloak doesn't work unless you got dash on current patch

Like Shade Soul lets you skip Fireball and game still gives you upgrade, so wondering if there's a way to do a similar thing with Shade Cloak

[steady lynx]

There's no way to do whatever you're trying to do

[stable quarry]

If that lever was broken then you'd likely not need dashslash.

It has never been broken though.

[turbid patio]

just do ghmms then you have dash with hornet still being alive iirc

[stable quarry]

If we are gonna go to glitches then you can just kill hornet get dash and then load a new file from ingame main menu storage. Works on any patch pre 1210

[terse sedge]

Anyone know any good speedrun skips I can use in a hollow knight race me and my friend and having later?

[static umbra]

what kinda race, like any% nmg?

[terse sedge]

Any%

[static umbra]

what kinda skips do u do already? have u done an any% run before?

[terse sedge]

I mean I’ve done my first play through but not a speed run. The only skip I’ve done is the one in greenpath where you pogo off a squit.

I’ve done some shade skips too but I forgot

[static umbra]

i see. r u familiar with the any% route and what kinda skips they do? for a more casual run u can opt out of doing many of those skips, like fireball skips, epogo, qga.

[terse sedge]

Yeah I’m going for a more casual run

[static umbra]

i see, u can take out the skips i mentioned above but for the run to be similar to the standard any% route u still need to do blue lake shade skip and fog canyon acid skip

[terse sedge]

Whats the fog canyon acid skip?

[static umbra]

after getting cdash, u head to the entrance to fog canyon from crossroads, which usually requires ismas tear. but instead, u can cdash at a certain height to just go over the acid and enter into the right side of fog canyon without ismas tear

[terse sedge]

Cdash Im assuming means super dash?

[static umbra]

yea, with crystal heart

[terse sedge]

Ah

[terse sedge]

Ohh I see what u mean

[static umbra]

it is surprisingly easy to do, unlike qga

[terse sedge]

Whats qga

[static umbra]

queens garden acid skip

another cdash over acid, except this one is way more tight and definitely takes a lot of practice to do

but there is an alternative for this one

so u dont have to do this skip

[terse sedge]

Where in queens garden

[static umbra]

its an acid skip to get into queens garden

[terse sedge]

Oh from fog canyon

[static umbra]

from fog canyon

yea

it happens after getting monomon

in the usual any% route

[terse sedge]

Thanks so much

[static umbra]

no problem

[stable quarry]

I would suggest getting Ddark as it makes you less likely to die to bosses.

[heavy topaz]

YEA LESS GO

[tall hound]

guys i completed the radiance!

[robust axle]

Yippee

How fast

[robust axle]

How did you kill THK in 5 seconds? 😭

[heavy topaz]

?

Wdym

[robust axle]

OH

Nvm

Sorry :3

[heavy topaz]

Nice

[heavy topaz]

Np

Btw what does it mean if the - is orange on livesplit?

[robust axle]

Wha

-# Idk..?

[robust axle]

-# Idk-

[sturdy glade]

That dash is yellow

Which is a gold which means the fastest you've done that split

[earnest swift]

waht do i need c dash for?

if im not getting wings

[thorn jasper]

you need cdash or ismas to get into and out of Monomon

and unless you want to do a bullshit difficult skip, you need cdash to get ismas anyway

[terse sedge]

wheres that again? crytsal peak?

[stable quarry]

It is in the Crystallised Mound. Which is at the edge of Crystal Peak. It is behind a dark room and a gap that you need Crystal Dash to cross.

You can eiter learn the dark room or route in enough geo to purchase it before this point.

[sturdy glade]

The dark room is pretty easy if you spam cdash and learn like 2 very forgiving jumps

[stable quarry]

You also gotta kill the enemy at the start on cp

[sturdy glade]

Idk I usually just hope it misses

[stable quarry]

There's no way that works with cdash strats?

[still lodge]

if youre high enough you can cdash over the guy

like this

[turbid patio]

i just fireballed twice when i did c dash strats

or once if i had shaman stone

[weary root]

if you're cdashing then you can fireball just once
then cdashing into it will kill it

[sturdy glade]

Don't know what to tell you

[stable quarry]

Just give me a clip silly

[sturdy glade]

I'm doing a drum corps rn

[turbid patio]

oh yeah i forget that c dash does more than 5 damage

[static umbra]

Has anyone ever speedran getting all 168 hunters journal entries before? It sounds absolutely masochistic but ive seen the speedrunning community do some batshit insane stuff before so I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a thing someone has done before

[sturdy glade]

soooo

All Achievements (a 6 hour run) completes the journal

[static umbra]

I was talking about with the inclusion of stuff like void idol and weathered mask

I have seen the all achievements runs before which was where I got the idea for that lol

But surely I can’t be the first person who has thought of this

[sturdy glade]

well would you want to run it

[static umbra]

No

Absolutely not, I am not even close to the skill level to do this fast

[sturdy glade]

well then I guess no one will run it

[static umbra]

I was just wondering if it has been done before

[sturdy glade]

gusten ain't that crazy

[vagrant warren]

Mathulu has done it

Or maybe it was just to weathered mask without the rest of the journal? It was a while ago

[sacred thunder]

It’s probably just be whatever the the second AA run looks like, with the added entries and choosing the questline endings that matter (nkg needs to be done) with added godhome at the end

Wait no… you can skip a lot of stuff that doesn’t give entries (mask, charm…)

[static umbra]

well charms would still be very useful for everything outside of weathered mask

but i think masks can just be skipped entirely yea

also iirc i dont think nkg needs to be done for pantheon unlock, only troupe master grimm

hmmm nkg might be an entry as well, does beating it in p5 count for that?

or u have to do it in the overworld

[steel willow]

it doesn’t iirc

[sacred thunder]

Nkg is an entry

And banishing doesn’t give that entry

You can lock yourself out of maximum journal entries

[steady lynx]

I'd not do a run like that, I'm not willing to boot up 1.3+ again this year

[stiff wadi]

took me long enough but here's my latest "good enough to send" attempt

i dont really know why im not getting enough height

got another "good" attempt, i really dont get it

just to be sure, this can be done on cp right? im pretty sure so, i really hope so

[steady lynx]

@normal aspen you're good at cursed skips, do you know?

[stiff wadi]

really considering getting long nail and doing baldur with that

[normal aspen]

It can def be done on current patch

(also longnail Baldur on 1.5 is borderline impossible coz they decoupled Baldur behaviour from fps mostly)

I will look at it side by side with me doing when I get home

Approx 3h

[sacred thunder]

Something something V-sync and 50 fps for more knockback

[normal aspen]

okay so:

• Part of your issue is how low the shade is when it gets up onto salubra's platform (see how yours in brushing the edge whereas mine is already a lilttle bit higher) This basically means you shade will be lower when you do the dboost / pogos by that little bit, which means its just outside nail range and you need to fall more to get the pogos
• This is fixed either by coming from the left like in the first clip attached to this message, or by looping the shade once like in the seconmd clip. The reason this is needed is because after aggroing it, the shade will fly for 1-2s before deciding on what attack to do, and that means that its too far right by the time it can attack.
• By doing your full jumps close to the shade but just outside of she shade's slash range you will be at a steeper relative angle, which makes the shade move up faster. this is most important for the shade's slash as it will carry some of that vertical movement through the parry freeze frames which all adds up to my shade being slightly higher after the slash, allowing me to pogo it sooner and get that little bit more height
• You can do the final nail swing a little before the shade is in range, as it will then essentially fall the hitbox onto it, which ensures its done at the perfect time every time. It basically turns a 1f window to get a perfect height pogo into a 4f window for your nail to still be out as you fall into range of the shade
• By jumping and oing the first pogo from quite far right on the ledge it sets the shade's trajectory up to be as steep as possible vertically which means it gets as high as possible as well

I think just baiting the slash and then doing the setup to get the shade to start that bit higher should give you the biggest benefit, as it will also remove the random variance in when the shade slashes, so your attempts should have one less variable / it should be easier to understand whats happening

Don't be too disheartened, I still only get it like 50% of the time on a good day

(it's not a very good day I'm at maybe 30%)

honestly some of these points may be placebo even ngl a non zero part of it is just intuition / muscle memory thats built up and you develop a feel for the small delays and spacings

[heavy topaz]

what program you use for recording that?

[mild root]

That's OBS

[heavy topaz]

oh

[hybrid onyx]

Only?

[stable quarry]

This is wery helpful guess I know what I will be attempting for ~4hours next weekend. What fps are you using here? I remember someone getting it at 120 fps which is crazy.

[floral holly]

I just started speedrunning and I’m having trouble with the explosion skip in fungal wastes. I think it’s cause I’m in current patch (and dont know how to change patches.) any tips or alternative ways to do it?

[vagrant warren]

in latest patch you can no longer pogo the explosion, only the projectile. So check for tutorials that specifically reference current patch epogo, the setup from 1221 won't work for you

[weary root]

alternatively downpatching is super easy if you're on steam

[stiff wadi]

bruh, good to know, i guess my only way would be doing dream shield baldur then, if i do continue with this torture that is

[floral holly]

I’m on ps4 btw if that changes anything

I’m watching a vid rn but I can’t really figure it out

Whenever I pogo it it just explodes

[weary root]

yeah you're stuck on patch 1.4 then

[floral holly]

I noticed tho he pogoed it kinda while it was exploding

Does that have sum to do with it

[weary root]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM

[floral holly]

Oh Ryan

What the

Why did Ty autocorrect to Ryan lmao

Alright well thanks I’ll check it out tell you how it goes

I just got it for the first time

Took me almost 15 minutes tho

I def need a lot of practice

Tysm for helping

[hybrid onyx]

is it possible to wcs here and skip the cdash?

[vagrant warren]

I think so (on 1221 obviously, no LP)

[hybrid onyx]

I'm probably being stupid, but what's stopping you from just skipping crystal heart then?

in any%

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't needed thanks. But I don't think there's a reliable wallcling to get you into fog canyon, or into queen's garden. (Also Latest Patch does skip cdash now at the highest level)

[hybrid onyx]

Sorry for the ping, just did it out of habit from with friends.

There is a skip that allows you to get into fog canyon from crossroads with just fireball, dash, and claw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvACg7CQsJg. Afaik there isn't a way to do gardens, so you'd have to go through deepnest instead which loses about 50 seconds according to insomnia. I figured that skipping heart would save a lot more than 50 seconds though.

[vagrant warren]

if it were reliable enough to be done in runs, I think people would be doing it.

[hybrid onyx]

ofc it's stupid hard, but I meant it more as a theoretical question.

[hidden sundial]

Can you come back from Uumuu without it though?

[bronze osprey]

you cant get to monomon thats the issue

[hidden sundial]

Also that

[hybrid onyx]

with wcs, yes

theoretically

[bronze osprey]

does wcs count as NMG

[vagrant warren]

1221 yes, LP no

[hybrid onyx]

it's used in the current wr, so

[vagrant warren]

but that kind of WCS doesn't even work on LP

[static umbra]

I think with the current nmg ruleset, u need to be able to cross the same gap with and without wcs. So if that gap is crossable with the items u have at archive following the usual any%, excluding cdash and without wcs, then it would be allowed

[hybrid onyx]

There is a shade skip that you can do for the first one

[hybrid onyx]

tricky

[vagrant warren]

oh yeah, topography rules. Same reason they don't just WCS up to blue lake

[sturdy glade]

It's illegal with the glitch ruleset

[hybrid onyx]

rip

[bronze osprey]

thats also why the any% TAS had to go get cdash, to follow the rulesets

bc clearly it was able to clear archives with wcs

[hidden sundial]

I wonder if TAS doing Isma's route is faster? Probably not

[bronze osprey]

i think theres too much setup

[hidden sundial]

Yeah

[bronze osprey]

and also im pretty sure cdash is a bit faster than wcs

so overall its just the better option

[sturdy glade]

Not at all, wcs is faster if you're a tas

[bronze osprey]

dont you need dashmaster for it to be faster^

?

[weary root]

even then dash speed is 20 and cdash is 30

the benefit of wcs is that it's a lot better for going not in a straight line

[sturdy glade]

Like strictly cdash goes faster but it's an absolute time sink compared to other stuff in the route

Skipping all that geo and the peaks trip saves a lot of time

[weary root]

oooh you mean if it could skip it it would?

[sturdy glade]

I got kinda lost in all the "it"s in that sentence lol

[weary root]

lmao

if the tas could skip cdash it would

[sturdy glade]

Yeah for sure

Rmg tas laughs in the face of topology

[normal aspen]

The issue is leaving monomon without wcs is impossible so it isn't nmg to wcs out without cdash yeah

[normal aspen]

I use 50, not much point going higher

[normal aspen]

I mean thats pretty low for a skip without big rng factors I'm pretty consistent with most stuff

[floral holly]

Does anyone know if there’s a way to download cheats on ps4 so that I can practice skips and stuff

Cheats makes it sounds bad

But yk what I mean

[vagrant warren]

there are no mods for consoles

[olive canyon]

Hello, I'm interested in speedrunning the game, and I wanted to know what a good beginner friendly route was. can any of you help?

[weary root]

hi I recommend joining the speedrunning server! There's a link to it in the pins of this channel.

you can find a bunch of guides there

[olive canyon]

How do you join a server?

[fresh sonnet]

Is there a list of all the acronyms

[weary root]

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1039743031043178606/pins2.png?ex=65b083a8&is=659e0ea8&hm=99e49a3bf5bf82b5411cfab9c1b9b6163246c36233a3d1ff982e4c5dbcc2cb4c&

[olive canyon]

thank you

[weary root]

in the pins you can find an invite

[floral holly]

Does anyone know if stall ball works on ps4

[steel willow]

uh i think it would ? idk i play on switch but probably yeah

[sturdy glade]

all consoles are on roughly 1432 so slopeball should work

(some are on 1433 which is functionally the same lmao)

[hybrid onyx]

For one of the hardest skips in the game, 50% is pretty freaking good.

[normal aspen]

its like on the low end of extreme so there is plenty harder

(again not to downplay how hard it is especially starting out, i just have a lot of exp with cooked skips)

[hybrid onyx]

Is the old mag isma skip still the hardest skip in the game? I've been away from the community for a while.

[normal aspen]

nah not even close

For one dmless is harder, but also these are both extremes and there are both harder extremes and a whole category of harder skips
https://youtu.be/MmYkw9pjdNM?si=u572560WM6Fj5gnx

that have been done, prob claw fb waterways spike tnnel or itemless fca

https://youtu.be/I8m461hIP4Y?si=xG3oCGbds2v0CFej

[hybrid onyx]

What is fca?

[normal aspen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh2pu7zTdOk

this

foc canyon acid skip

[hybrid onyx]

Wtf

If silksong releases I can't wait to see the skips pulled off there.

[normal aspen]

(clueless)

[stiff wadi]

sadly, i dont think

tf why did i send that, was a mistake lol

sadly, i dont think "shade skips" are going to be a thing in ss, you turn into a fixed coccon iirc, so i think you cant do much when it comes to skips with that

[hybrid onyx]

I don't think they're going to be a thing, because the game isn't real in the first place.

[stiff wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/945391432615755837/1331367069630988402/twitter_1881803986770288666.gif

[hidden sundial]

This one makes me laugh due to how absurd it is

[static umbra]

u can check the pinned msg for a link to some guidees, tho if u r relatively new to speedrunning i would suggest modifying the route to be more casual friendly

well the thing is like, a lot of the skips are not something ull ever come across in normal play, and some of them are very difficult without tons of practice. i would definitely suggest doing a route that has some of the skips but excludes some of the more difficult skips, then once u get comfortable with that modified route, then u can try to practice and incorporate the harder skips into ur runs

like as an example, u can do a run without fireball skips, epogo, and qga initially, then once u get a decent time with that, u can add in fireball skips, and so on

[turbid patio]

Eww glitchless

[sturdy glade]

You can go do much faster if you can't see what you're doing

Hey man you got PC just mms

[strange knoll]

Hi, someone can help me to do the fireball skip in greenpath?

[sturdy glade]

Biggest things are 1. Use quick cast button 2. Coyote jump or close to it (be really close to the edge) 3. Do fireballs at the peak of your jump 4. Use socd cleaner if you struggle with turnarounds

Also do 3fb

[turbid patio]

3????

[sturdy glade]

It's objectively easier wdym

Like it's unnecessary but if you can't land 2 just

Do 3

[boreal siren]

Hello , how can i set a autosplit for flames

[weary root]

I recommend using https://hksplitmaker.com/

[floral holly]

Is the thing where you open up menu while falling to avoid stagger possible on 1432

I’m pretty sure I just don’t know how to do it but I wanna make sure

[sturdy glade]

You can't open inventory midair on lp

[vagrant warren]

you have to do it basically the instant as you fall off a ledge (physicas frame perfect). On earlier patches it can be done anywhere.

[weary root]

on 1.3/1.4 you can open and close it when you hit the ground, which cancels the hard fall

still slower than not getting a hardfall but faster than hardfall

[balmy inlet]

hi achow

[static umbra]

Opa u play hk???

[balmy inlet]

yeah

I went through my first playthrough like a while ago but I've been watching a lot of hk speedrunning content lately

and I also started my first randomizer recently

[static umbra]

Dang have u done a run yet?

[balmy inlet]

did you see recent leb 46

[balmy inlet]

no

I want to try one sometime soon though

[static umbra]

Fury route? Yea I saw

[balmy inlet]

I've gotten more consistent at fireball skills lately

but I think I'm gonna need to improve my mechanics in general and especially boss fights before I actually do a run

[static umbra]

Idek how to do a lot of the speedrunner skips tbh

[balmy inlet]

and my fireball skip ability is still pretty inconsistent I can only do the low% wastes skip like 10% of the time

[static umbra]

My pb is like 55 mins and I don’t even do any of the complicated speedrunning tricks

[balmy inlet]

what were the most difficult skips that you needed to do?

or did you do any particularly hard boss fights

like nail 0 watchers for example

[static umbra]

The skips I did were squit pogo in greenpath, blue lake shade skip, and fog canyon acid skip. I don’t think I did any other skip. I skipped out on fireball skips, epogo, qga

[balmy inlet]

also another completely random question, in the fury route, why do they get nail 1 instead of buying from leg eater and overcharming?

[static umbra]

Yea I did nail0 watchers but I got a nail upgrade right after to make the rest of it easier

[static umbra]

Idk if that’s any more convenient than getting the nail upgrade, I’m pretty sure the only time u r even remotely near leg eater is on the way to claw, or on the way to blue lake. Which introduces the problem of even getting enough geo to unlock leg eater and buy strength

[balmy inlet]

I was thinking on the way to claw ig

[static umbra]

Well the thing is, leg eater costs 86 geo to open and strength costs another 600, where r u gonna get all of that before claw?? Also, if u actually do the math, strength at nail0 gives 8 dmg while nail1 is 9, so it doesn’t even make sense in that regard

Oh wait

[balmy inlet]

tbh I forgot the price, I thought it was only like 300

[static umbra]

I forgot fury calculation , but the principle should still be the same I think

[balmy inlet]

how much does boss health increase of getting nail 1?

[static umbra]

None that r in the run, that only applies to dream warriors

[balmy inlet]

oh, I didn't realize that

for some reason I thought it applied to all bosses

ok yeah then it definitely doesn't make sense

[formal bough]

*(there's niche other bosses that increase health, like hive knight goes from 800 at nail 0/1/2 to 850 on nail3 and 920 on nail 4)

[balmy inlet]

thanks

[formal bough]

but it only really matters for dream warriors

800 -> 920 is nothing, compared to say markoth's 250 -> 705

[vagrant warren]

Watchers also scale but they don't start scaling until after Nail 2

[ruby tangle]

anyone know why my livesplit wont open? I have it downloaded and I have already used it earlier but now it wont open

nvm got it to open lol

had to redownload for some reason

[turbid patio]

Livesplit opening is jank

[stuck orchid]

in the fury any% route what do you pick up instead when you skip vfk for geo

[sturdy glade]

I'd recommend going to the pinned server for fury discussion, it's generally a lot higher level and I don't think many if any of the players routing/running it are in this server or check it

[stuck orchid]

i see its been a while since ive run and teh new route seems fun

[sturdy glade]

Well I'd hope at least a couple people find it fun

[knotty vigil]

Can anyone help me with a speen run timer?

[vagrant warren]

Most runners use livesplit. There's a site in pins to get splits from and if you join the server in pins there's a checklist if you need to troubleshoot

[knotty vigil]

Thanks for telling me that there was a website! Did not know that.

[knotty vigil]

Hey its not working? I used it But do you have to update the Split Manually?

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't needed thanks. If your auto splitter is set up correctly it should automatcally split. If you're having trouble I suggest checking out the troubleshooter in the pinned speedrun server like I suggested.

[knotty vigil]

k

[mild root]

Lmaoo Lep's vid just after Blue's speedrunning history vid is crazy

[weary root]

<@&283547423706447872> free gift!

mods love free gifts

[analog pawn]

I don't get any free gifts

[analog pawn]

An extra seal is grabbed which covers the geo needed for nail 1 and the skipped early game geo

[sacred thunder]

(And the journal above king’s)

[analog pawn]

well that one is already gotten

[weary root]

doesn't get the journal above kings anymore

too slow without vs

[sturdy glade]

Well what the hell are we supposed to call it now?

[cloud veldt]

Is it too late to start speedrunning?

[weary root]

yes

the world is ending tomorrow

[steady lynx]

Eisog, we weren't supposed to tell people

[cloud veldt]

lol I just mean like joking aside I do feel like Silkson is gonna come out reletively soon maybe within the year so idk if it's worth it

[weary root]

people will keep running hollow knight for a very long time even if silksong releases

[cloud veldt]

That's fair

Now do I try current patch or 1221

[weary root]

it's just a fun game to run

[cloud veldt]

Is there a standard speedrunning timer for HK specifically?

[steady lynx]

Most of us use livesplit with the Hollow Knight load remover

[weary root]

?tag livesplit

[river axle]

No tag livesplit found.

[weary root]

worth a shot

[cloud veldt]

I can google it

Still curious ppls thoughts on 1221 or newest

[weary root]

join the speedrunning server there's a link in the pins^
there's good resources for any% nmg there for both patches

[turbid patio]

Current pstch

1221 is really bad dkmt dp kt dont listen to the lovers

[sturdy glade]

1221

Latest patch is really bad don't do it don't listen to the goons with bad pcs

[vagrant warren]

See if your PC can even handle running 1221 smoothly before you possibly set your heart on it.

[turbid patio]

:(

[sturdy glade]

no lever skips tho :(

[steel willow]

):

[earnest delta]

no pc 🫵

[steel willow]

[dusty dagger]

[floral holly]

I’m on current patch practicing epogo (the one that kanra did in their wr) but I can’t seem to pogo high enough to dash onto the platform. I can consistently pogo off of it but just can’t get high enough, any tips?

[vagrant warren]

Check out this tutorial: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM if you still have problems or want more tips I'd suggest joining the speedrun server. (Be aware that runner you mentioned is banned from the community so any mention in the speedrun server would need to be spoilered and preceeded with a content warning.)

[floral holly]

Ok thanks you

[turbid patio]

CC pogo brty epogo ii

[chilly hazel]

Hello, so I just got hit by a Mantis Petra and got knocked into spikes, but something weird happened. I think I hit the monarch wings button as I got hit by the spikes or a frame before, and as I faded out my monarch wings activated. I jumped off a wall and used my wings and I just started floating straight up. For some reason switch doesn’t let me record the last 30 seconds on Hollow Knight

[normal aspen]

I'd guess knockback storage

[slim sphinx]

does anyone have the live split for any%

[turbid patio]

?hksp

?tag hksm

[river axle]

No tag hksm found.

[turbid patio]

wth

https://hksplitmaker.com/

[steady lynx]

It should be pinned

[chilly hazel]

Oh ok. I don’t really know many glitches in this game lol

[slim sphinx]

thank you

[ruby tangle]

whats the easiest way to get good at speedrunning? I feel like I should practice certain difficult skips but im not sure how to

[turbid patio]

play more but seriously you should focus on practicing choke points the most, when starting aim for consistcy over raw speed, dying is alot worse than a bit of inoptimal movement after all

to practice use debug mod, make a savestate, watch someone else do it, practice like hell, if having troubl eask someone to tell you what your doing wrong

[ruby tangle]

alr sweet thanks

also are there any other timers than livesplit lmao? this app has been pissing me off so much

I have set it up numerous times but the file sucks and asks to save it and I save it then it deletes and doesnt wanna exit

and its just a pain

[turbid patio]

there is an alternative but i dont know it

give minute

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/news/z3z1mq6d#

[ruby tangle]

thanks!

[knotty vigil]

I just tried to speedrun getting mothwing cloak

It took me 28 mins

Lmao

Probably half of that was me just trying to get fireball skip loll

[steel willow]

lol
i always go for squit
i think most fireball skips are impossible on switch (very sad)

[normal aspen]

they are still doable on switch

[steel willow]

they are ? i thought the input delay made them impossible
or at least some of them (like greenpath one)

[formal bough]

Generally, input delay only makes inputs more unintuitive not less possible

But also, make sure you're using quickcast not heal

[steady lynx]

I have played on switch and done fireball skips on that awful version of the game, they are very possible

[steel willow]

ah i see
i’ve been using quickcast and i showed my friend what i was trying to do for the skip and she said it was probably impossible (because i was going down a bit with every cast)

[formal bough]

going down a bit with every cast is just timing

[sand vortex]

I performed a successful fire ball skip for the first time ever about a week ago! I was so happy! Low-key it’s kinda hard for me to do it on the switch

It’s the first fireball skip in greenpath

[zenith frost]

my first real run. i went with the fireborn guide route

[dusty dagger]

iiirc just spam

[zenith frost]

this technically is cheated tho, cuz i played with mods, and it skipped some cutscenes

dreamnailing dreamers etc

[sturdy glade]

Don't just spam, you gotta time it

[steel willow]

nice !!!!

[steel willow]

ah i see ok i’ll try to get the timing later

[dusty dagger]

spam to not go down
im not like THAT good maybe its just misinformation

most skips are not just spamming im very well aware of that

[vagrant warren]

If you are spamming on the wrong beat you'll still go down I've always heard to time casts

[sturdy glade]

If you get lucky you might spam and have it work but

[ruby tangle]

uh somethings is wrong with my hollow knight

idk if it updated or something but I have a cutscene at the beginning of every new game, I cant pause to cancel the fall, and I cant menu drop either

[formal bough]

yeah those are 1221 things

you can go to steam beta and get 1221 if you want

or if you're doing randomizer get the qol mod

[dusty dagger]

always get the qol mod

[ruby tangle]

does qol bypass it and let me menu drop?

[tranquil bobcat]

Yes

[ruby tangle]

oh ok I already have it lol

I must have accidentally turned it off

[formal bough]

idk if qol adds pausing back in

[ruby tangle]

ill try it

[vagrant warren]

Although if you're speedrunning seriously, you can't use QoL

(considering the channel we're in)

[ruby tangle]

definitely not seriously lol

maybe a personal goal of sub one hour

dont care about leaderboards tho

[novel drum]

how would one go about getting a timer for Speedrunning?

[formal bough]

livesplit

click on pins, click on first link (src guides), click on 3rd link (livesplit for newbies)

[novel drum]

does it require a mod manager/library?

[formal bough]

speedrunning is on vanilla hollow knight

[novel drum]

okay

thank you for the help

(I probably won't ever get sub 2hrs but I might start trying to git gud

[steel willow]

oh yeah i just had the timing way off last time i tried
ty everyone

[quaint zinc]

Question, I know I can use a controller to speedrun on pc since I’m more comfortable with a controller, but let’s just say I want to get a time like some of the top runners. Do I have to switch to keyboard or is controller viable?

[formal bough]

both are viable

saw somebody throw a stat around like 70% of top runners are keyboard and 30% of top runners are controller

which feels believable

(because I have to imagine more people just play with kb than controller generally too)

[quaint zinc]

Alright cool, it’s just that I was looking at some of the runs and they seem to have really fast menuing with a keyboard

[formal bough]

I've never played on controller so idk how menuing is on controller but I can't imagine it differing by more than like a second or two

[quaint zinc]

It’s definitely slower but I think with practice it won’t be that big of a difference. Although I’ll just have to find out the more I practice speedrunning

[agile patio]

How do you perform the main menu storage glitch?

[steady lynx]

You press esc, then esc, then mouse

[tiny tinsel]

quick questions

I cant downgrade to 1.2.2.1, using qol mod what settings should I use to emulate 1.2.2.1 ?

[sturdy glade]

Just run lp

[tiny tinsel]

whats lp

[dusty dagger]

latest patch

[tiny tinsel]

okay

does it affect alot in time?

[steel willow]

doesn’t look like it

[vagrant warren]

There are separate boards for 1221 & LP, so the time differences don't really matter

[fallen sphinx]

im trying to set up my livesplit but it doesnt work. i used a file from hk split maker for any%, followed the forum there and have an issue. the timer doesnt start when i load a new game. how do i fix this

[tiny tinsel]

how do I make the hktimer mod work

[weary root]

make sure the autosplitter is activated: right click on live split -> Edit splits -> you should see this

if it's activated redowload the splits and import them again. sometimes it breaks when you import them before activating the autosplitter

[weary root]

join the pinned speedrunning server and ask there

[fallen sphinx]

thanks so much @weary root it worked

[boreal siren]

Hello can some1 give me the 112% APB splits?

[vagrant warren]

get them from hksplitmaker in the pins

[neon crown]

Does anyone know what the best speedrunning route is without qga or any harder skips

[normal aspen]

deepnest route

[static umbra]

does anybody have any tips for the fireball skip in greenpath that is also where the sedic slash is (idk what to call that specific place lol). im getting quite consistent on the fireball skip before it but i feel like this one has a much more tighter jump timing than the other one since i keep either bonking my head against the higher platform, or just walking off the platform without even jumping. and then even when i get a seemingly good jump, when i cast the fireballs i still often fall just short of the height needed to clear the gap. is there maybe some semi-consistent way to approach that jump to get a good chance at getting the correct timing for the jumps and fireball casts?

and before anyone mentions it, yes i am using quick cast.
i have the actual rhythm of the inputs down, its just that im struggling on when to start the inputs

[analog pawn]

It's really just getting the timing of the jump down, you can turn around and do the fireballs quite close to the platform on that one. I've never used a visual cue or anything

[static umbra]

okay so ig i really do just need to grind it out until i get the timing down then

[wraith birch]

flexing my speedrun time

(its really bad but i like it)

on some splits i forgot so they are on weird times

i dont know how to make the time stop when in transitions tho

1h 10m 42s game time

[candid jay]

i think there's a tool in livesplit that does this

[vagrant warren]

Go into Edit splits & enable the auto splitter, get auto splits from the site in pins (easiest option) or make your own.

[mellow vector]

If i start my game the timer isnt starting please help i want to speedrun

[weary root]

make sure the autosplitter is activated: right click on live split -> Edit splits -> you should see this

if it's activated redowload the splits and import them again. sometimes it breaks when you import them before activating the autosplitter

[mellow vector]

its still doesnt working

[idle cypress]

i just completed a 112 run is this good

[sturdy glade]

No

You horse

[mellow vector]

Even if i start the timer normaly it is stock at 0.00

[weary root]

this happens because you don't have autosplits

https://hksplitmaker.com/

[steady lynx]

You shouldn't have lost so much time to Uumuu

[mellow vector]

I already got these splits

[weary root]

you have to redownlooad them

[sturdy glade]

Wait why is void heart horse soul, there's no soul in void heart lmao

[mellow vector]

I did it but it isnt working

[weary root]

click on the settings button

if you don't have a whole bunch of things in here then redownload the splits

[weary root]

fascinating

[mellow vector]

but it wont autosplit

[weary root]

hmm make sure you're opening livesplit after opening the game

[mellow vector]

The timer isnt starting if in drop in and if i manuely start it it is a green 0.00 al the time

[weary root]

confirmation that you tried the thing I suggested would be nice

[mellow vector]

Yes i did your suggested thinks

[weary root]

what patch are you on?

also want to make sure you're comparing against game time

[mellow vector]

newest but i wanted to downgrade

do i need to downgrade for Livesplit?

[weary root]

no

but improper installations can affect it

are you using a modded install?

there are probably mods that would mess with it

[mellow vector]

oh

i use scarrab

ore something

[weary root]

try on vanilla and see if that works

[mellow vector]

ok

disabled the mods and its still 0.00

wait

nah its still not working

[weary root]

are you on steam?

[mellow vector]

yes

[weary root]

go to hollow knight in steam -> right click -> properties -> Installed files and verifiy the integrity of game files

[mellow vector]

2 wrong files

but it is still not working

[vagrant warren]

That sounds like your game still was modded, even tho you said it wasn't. So I kind of wonder if you were wrong about some other thing, like the autisplitter being enabled/active? What does it currently say next to your auto splitter?

[mellow vector]

Deaktivate

[vagrant warren]

Hmmm. Also just to confirm, you're loading fully into the game, right? Past the intro cutscene?

[mellow vector]

Yes

[vagrant warren]

You are on windows, yeah? (This is pretty weird behavior so I'm just trying to think of any outlier reasons it could be)

[mellow vector]

Yes

Windows 10

[weary root]

The only other thing I can think of is that maybe there's some other program that is interfering with liveplit reading hk correctly. So try restarting your pc and opening only hk and livesplit and see if that works

[mellow vector]

ok

[pure vortex]

hello, I was speedrunning and when I inventory dropped here I got sent to the left while I was inv dropping, why does this happen?

[steady lynx]

Congrats, you got corner corrected on the way down and the inventory being open preserved the momentum

Also don't inventory drop there, it's slower

[sturdy glade]

wait what

[pure vortex]

okay

[steady lynx]

It's faster to prejump, hold left after the ledge with the gate and pogo the object to not hardfall

[lyric sundial]

Anyone else have a problem with modding where the game opens up to a black screen and cursor? I asked the mod help but was told to move here

1.2.2.1 mini save states mod

[steady lynx]

Check pins, join the server, ask in tech-support there

[lyric sundial]

k thx

[static umbra]

does anyone know if there is a backup for mantis pogo if u miss the first pogo on the left mantis? they drift too far away after missing the first pogo so i was wondering if there was any feasible way to back it up. im playing on current patch if that matters

[steady lynx]

Nothing super consistent but you can walk a bit to the right to get the Mantis back out of the area where the lever is and then try to do a staircase pogo on both of them

Alternatively use the Mantis that's still out in the open to pogo once, cast a fireball, and then try to pogo again to get high enough to dash onto the right platform and then jump and dash left towards where claw is

[static umbra]

what is a staircase pogo? like i pogo on the left one then pogo on the right one?

[steady lynx]

I can try to get a quick clip

[static umbra]

also for the second method i wouldve thought that the mantis drifts way too high for that but im probably mistaken

[steady lynx]

I'm really struggling with messing it up on purpose

Something similar to this, I'm really not good at failing this

[static umbra]

well i dont think i usually mess it up like that, i usually miss it cuz im just too slow and the left mantis drifts just a tiny bit too far to the left where i couldnt pogo it. but ill try these methods when i do mess it up like that and see if they work

[sturdy glade]

goasten

also based ec

[steady lynx]

It's a lot of improvising which takes a bit of getting used to how Mantises move and stuff

[steady lynx]

That was just muscle memory

[static umbra]

alr i guess i just gotta practice it more and optimize my movement in that room. half the time im just too slow.

[steady lynx]

That's not uncommon starting out, eventually it just becomes second nature

[hidden sundial]

I hate that room. I hate Young Mantis.

[steady lynx]

Also the room probably looks different on later versions of the game, I didn't wanna mess up my registry by booting up 1.3 or 1.5 debug

[steady lynx]

Do you like how some of them have different hitboxes

[sturdy glade]

even more based

[static umbra]

yea the background looks a bit different, but i think the movement through the room should be the exact same (?)

[steady lynx]

Yeah, you get control a bit earlier on 1.3+, but other than the very start when you enter the room it should be identical

[hidden sundial]

Their AI is somehow even nastier than Primal Aspids

[steady lynx]

Of course, anything would be nastier than an enemy that's almost completely predictable

[sturdy glade]

yeah if you don't do stupid shit primal aspids are pretty damn workable

[covert ivy]

what kind of split times should i use if going for a sub 50

[vagrant warren]

Splits are really just runner preference, some people like to split on everything some people like fewer splits. You can get them pre-made from the site in pins.

[sturdy glade]

Each splits have such differing lengths there's not really a good answer to this

[little olive]

Yo, I just got the qol mod and was just wondering if theres anything i should know and if I should enable/disable something

[sturdy glade]

If you want to submit a run to the boards both qol and the modding API itself cannot be installed

[little olive]

Not really planning to do so. Just playing casually, anything i should know?

[sturdy glade]

If you're playing casually then I don't see why you would need to turn anything off

Like if you don't want qol mod on get a separate install

[wild light]

I'm trying to get to Monomon without c-dash or Isma's and I found this. I don't know if this has been found yet (probably has) but I want to know if this would be possible?

[vagrant warren]

It would be possible, but I can't really think of a category where you'd get there with wings & shriek but not ismas or cdash. Useful in rando if you allow yourself shrogo.

[sturdy glade]

Yeah probably possible but not actually helpful to any runs

If you just did another shrump you would have made it

[wild light]

This is more of a challenge run than anything else

[sturdy glade]

Just wcs lowkey

[vagrant warren]

what is the challenge?

[wild light]

true ending without c-dash or isma's

[vagrant warren]

Well you're going to have more trouble with white palace than monomon LOL

[wild light]

I know white palace is gonna be difficult

[vagrant warren]

I think the final cdash section has been shrogo'd but I dunno if it used a normal amount of soul/casts

[sturdy glade]

You can't do that section vanilla no cdash lmao

That shit long as hell

[wild light]

lol I didn't know that

[sturdy glade]

I mean like damn

It just keeps going

[wild light]

I'll try to get as far as possible#

[sturdy glade]

So I actually have an idea to offer

(it's dgate noclip)

[wild light]

As in dgate after the tunnel?

I've not heard that term before

[vagrant warren]

it's a glitch that basically allows you to float

[sturdy glade]

As in inventory drop into water on an older patch and dgate and move and leave

[wild light]

Can we dgate into palace?

[sturdy glade]

No

Pretty sure you can't at least

[wild light]

I know a place on current patch where the inventory drop into water works

[sturdy glade]

Kings station

[wild light]

Didn't know about there. I've done it at isma grub

[sturdy glade]

Y'know the true ending world record doesn't even pick up any skills

[wild light]

I'll check it out, though if it ends up being to difficult for me I'll settle for normal ending

[sturdy glade]

(I'm talking about all glitches)

[wild light]

So main menu storage?

[sturdy glade]

God home main menu storage specifically

You have all the skills actually but you don't pick them up

[wild light]

Right, I'll try to get to monomon but just go for normal ending

The run has mainly been about doing hard skips like 3 fireball queens station and wingless hidden station

[sturdy glade]

What

Why you doing allat

[turbid patio]

i know im late but what i woudl do is go on src, look for a 50min time, and write down the split times they got

[normal aspen]

For a 50 honestly it's kinda just vaguely following the route and trying to not die too many times

Any sections you can do fast can help you afford an extra death elsewhere

[hidden sundial]

50 is following the route, not dying to bosses and not being dumb at Uumuu

[stable quarry]

I got a 45 my first death less run

[stable quarry]

You can deffinitly be dumb at uumuu like a 5 cycle is complestly passable

[hidden sundial]

https://youtu.be/pCRd7jqjlDA?si=p7jFLNEz5M-CDkLR that's my 51 min run

I think my Uumuu was worse than 5 cycle lmao, but yeah, really, just doing standard stuff at a good pace should lead to sub 50s

I should go for it, last time I tried Uumuu killed the run but was saving around 1:40 prior to the fight so yeah, def very doable. On this one the splits are kind of easy going, WK is decent, CPeak is bad, Uumuu is bad, the rest is okayish

[sacred thunder]

I should try to get a clean run I’m proud off one of those days
Last time I got didn’t pull through because my livesplit would just crash at random every like half an hour

[stable quarry]

Dam this was 3 years ago
https://youtu.be/Dl62VsSSLig?si=IooIBMHdRKyfVzvE

[hidden sundial]

My goal would be a sub 45, I don't want to grind tol much

[stable quarry]

Me too 37 is way to bad

[sacred thunder]

I think I only have a like 58 minute run properly recorded, but that had scream at like 50 minute so…

I think I had a low 50 in game time when I snagged my friends switch on a train

[stable quarry]

Oh my any% nmg is even worse at a 39 it was any% nmg 1432 that had a 37 which is funny because nmg should be faster

[stable quarry]

My goal would likely be 36 if I returned to any%

[wild light]

Got the skip

[sturdy glade]

Who up shrumping they lower archives rn

[still spindle]

i need help. i have played sm hk i have 400 hours on it multiple playthroughs etc etc

havent dived into properly speedrunning always intrigued me and i decided imma try and give it a go when silksong comes out

is it worth practicing with hk in the meantime?

[sturdy glade]

no one knows lmao

[weary root]

I think if you enjoy hollow knight and want to keep playing it then speedrunning is a great way to do so

Speedrunning it will get you more familiar with general speedrunning things but yeah the gameplay of silksong is likely going to be pretty different from hk

[sturdy glade]

yeah as far as we know speedrunning any platformer would probably do the same things that hk would

but hk will provide similar ideas and broad skills like general quick platforming but it most likely won't port directly to silksong

[still spindle]

so like yay or nay u think ?

[sturdy glade]

do you want to speedrun hollow knight?

[still spindle]

honestly ?

a bit

[sturdy glade]

If you wanna do it

By all means do it

[still spindle]

but if it will help me with silksong im more inclined to do it ykyk

so idk

[sturdy glade]

Join the pinned server and look around and learn about the different categories and such and decide what you want to try then look further into it

[still spindle]

no ive always casually looked into speedrunning even in other games its always intrigued me

ive watched blues vid

and all

its just so much effort

[sturdy glade]

You don't have to just be an optimal any% 1221 runner to be a hollow knight speedrunner

I'm saying it's not gonna hurt to look around a bit and see if there's anything that really interests you

[still spindle]

yuh ig would it help with ss?

[sturdy glade]

If you want to speedrun silksong, speedrunning and game would help and hollow knight would definitely help

But it won't be 1 to 1

[vagrant warren]

No one can say whether running HK will help with a game that's not even released yet. But speedrunning any game will overall get you familiar with what's needed for speedrunning & get you comfortable with things like livesplit

[still spindle]

yuh good point

playing elden ring and souls games rn

so it will be awhile

but silksong will come out in 2134

so who tf knows

[vernal zenith]

It'll come out when team cherry runs out of money

Which they made so much money on hollow knight it'll take a while

[sturdy glade]

It'll come out when it's done, they aren't gonna run out of money

[vernal zenith]

Well if they do it just means a very high quality game

Or it'll suck, one of those too

[sturdy glade]

They're gonna be done before they're out of money

[mild root]

What's easier in terms of bosses, skips, etc. True Ending or Any%? (both 1.4.3.2+)

[steady lynx]

If you want easy, don't run True Ending at all

[mild root]

I mean I'm good at radiance

[steady lynx]

As long as you don't go for the optimal Isma's sl*peball route, any% 1432+ NMG doesn't have any hard skips, some bosses like WK and especially THK are very difficult though

[sturdy glade]

Doesn't matter how good at rad you are normally

You get 5 masks nail 0 like one tier 2 spell and shamans

[mild root]

damn

[sturdy glade]

Definitely harder than any any% boss

[mild root]

true ending sounds more fun to me but the fact that it's 2x longer is already kind of a problem

[steady lynx]

TE also has clawless shade skip, which isn't too hard, but I can see people struggling with it starting out

[mild root]

Okay I guess I'll just have to watch both

[sturdy glade]

True ending has a lot of fun stuff but zamn it's hard

At least all bosses categories get some real upgrades

[mild root]

hmm

what's all bosses? 107 AB?

[steady lynx]

Don't take my judgement of what's difficult too seriously btw, I'll see claw only Colos and think "that seems easy enough"

[sturdy glade]

Expand into the extra categories and you'll see it

[mild root]

oh

damn only 4 runs is crazy

[sturdy glade]

For which one

[mild root]

all bosses base game

all of them have very few runs

[sturdy glade]

It's a longer category that doesn't have the comfort of getting all the charms and nail upgrades and stuff

Also no one runs anything base game nmg

[mild root]

any% steel soul is just no shade skip right?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, who'd want to run All Bosses Base Game No Major Glitches?

Seems cursed

[sturdy glade]

7 letter abbreviation? Ew

[steady lynx]

ABBGNMG

[sturdy glade]

It's actually notably different because early tram

[sturdy glade]

Actually disgusting

[mild root]

oh damn, I thought just take peaks

[sturdy glade]

Slow as hell

[steady lynx]

How would you get there?

[sturdy glade]

Lantern ig lmao

[steady lynx]

Dive takes forever, Lantern even longer

[sturdy glade]

Wait how does peaks even make sense in this convo

[steady lynx]

Tram Pass to get to city for WK geo and then Lantern is goated

[mild root]

yeah nvm

didnt think it through

ill have to check all 3 then

[steady lynx]

Get ready for ABHDNMMS then

[sturdy glade]

You mean peak?

[mild root]

all skills sounds pretty easy

[steady lynx]

Any category that kills 6 WK at the same time is peak

[sturdy glade]

All skills is prob the easiest main board cat

Just do ibaldur to make it harder

[mild root]

ok that's 4 categories that I gotta check out

[sturdy glade]

Something something 1114 flukes

[steady lynx]

All Skills is great for newer runners, Hornet 2 is a bit difficult, but Descending Dark

[sturdy glade]

~ddark if we were in good server

[steady lynx]

I mean... Descending Horse?

[sturdy glade]

Also wings was rerouted to be after h2 some time ago so the funny aspid skip is in as

[steady lynx]

Doesn't seem too hard

[sturdy glade]

It can be a minor roadblock for new players

Also bro I've seen you do some wild ass shit in this game it's not fair for you to be judging skip difficulty

[mild root]

I'm just constantly contradicting myself when it comes to choosing HK categories

I like getting as many items as possible but at the same time I like shorter runs

[sturdy glade]

Run any% all glitches it gets all the items very very quickly

[mild root]

lol

[steady lynx]

Run Any% NMMS, it sucks

Stagclip has ruined it

[sturdy glade]

If only there was a good glitchset that did everything I wanted to do and none of what I don't want to do

[mild root]

im probably gonna be warned for this but this is way too funny

[sturdy glade]

Notably maintained mop stations

[steady lynx]

The mods probably don't check this channel unless we ping them

NMMS = No Main Menu Storage

[sturdy glade]

They love taking our free steam gift cards from this channel

[mild root]

so its all glitches except for mms?

[sturdy glade]

Yes

[mild root]

interesting

[steady lynx]

Yeah, Main Menu Storage was just broken enough to where people wanted it split

it invalidated so many fun glitches

And that was before Godseeker Main Menu Storage was even a thing

[weary root]

mms is far too powerful on all patches except 1.3

[sturdy glade]

And the mms split got rid of previous no out of bounds stuff right

[steady lynx]

Yeah, the Nsoob ruleset got yeeted

Which was actually the ruleset Mickely ran 100% under

[mild root]

okay well that's 2-3 hours of speedruns I'll be watching while I'm supposed to be studying

[steady lynx]

I'm supposed to be strat labbing

[sturdy glade]

For what this time

[weary root]

I'm supposed to be saving grubs

[sturdy glade]

106 ag?

[steady lynx]

All Bosses All Glitches

[sturdy glade]

Bg?

[steady lynx]

I decided to finally get runs on the abandoned boards

All three

[sturdy glade]

Oh shit

[mild root]

oh I only just now realized ur the WR holder of all bosses lmao

[sturdy glade]

Gusten has a comical amount of random records

And nebula has an unfunny amount of fr fr ong records

[steady lynx]

Big fan of this random Archives dupe

The annoying thing is that a lot of strats I've labbed for this also work for ABBGNMMS so I have to go back to that later

[sturdy glade]

How exactly is this helpful

Just getting there?

[steady lynx]

Getting to Archives slightly faster

[sturdy glade]

Lmao

[steady lynx]

The only useful MMS things for Hidden Dreams and Grimm Troupe will be early noclip journey for DDark and Shade Soul and also dreamer dupes

Dgate almost invalidates benchwarp with IGMMS

Probably still gonna benchwarp from abyss to King's after Shade Cloak so I don't have to walk the tiny bit to the station there

Unfortunately Grimm Troupe might just have to dupe the Dung Defender Idol still, ghusk kinda sucks there

[sturdy glade]

What's the time save gonna be once you optimize stuff from ag to nmg

[steady lynx]

Base Game AG is looking at 12 minutes faster than NMMS
Hidden Dreams and Grimm Troupe less time, but not an insignificant amount

Base Game is probably the only one where sub 1 is possible, depends what rules they set for Lifeblood AG, but I'm leaving LP stuff to meemee

[sturdy glade]

I mean what early patch ab is a sub 2 hour cat right

[steady lynx]

NMG?

[sturdy glade]

Yeah

[steady lynx]

I think they're all sub 2

Depends if Firm's runs were verified

[sturdy glade]

I feel like troupe is 1:40 range right

[steady lynx]

Probably, I didn't optimize those at all

I had like a 1:46 in Hidden Dreams NMG that wasn't verifiable

[sturdy glade]

What did you do

[steady lynx]

Soul Tyrant slowfall

[sturdy glade]

Lmao

[steady lynx]

After I have a 1:05 in ABBGAG I'll move on to ABGTAG, then optimize 106 AG, then ABBGNMMS, ABHDAG and finally route and run 100% TE AG

[sturdy glade]

Bros on a mission

[steady lynx]

100% TE AG has been like 7 years in the making, people have always talked about routing it, but nobody ever bothered to

At least 1114 can't stack rooms in a room dupe, that's it's saving grace

[steady lynx]

But I still can't figure out how to route GH% NG+ Warpless AG

It's not even physically possible to save time compared to NMMS there

[sturdy glade]

Just floating flying wee to ke

[steady lynx]

Like

[sturdy glade]

Wait that's gh%??

I thought that was kp fastest

[weary root]

yeah cause it's ng+ you can do whatever setup before the run so you load into kp and the great hopper immediately dies to the acid

[steady lynx]

Prepares the Great Hopper and acid before entering KP

Just like Team Cherry intended

[weary root]

if team cherry didn't want us to noclip through love key door why did they put noclip in their game?

[steady lynx]

They really didn't think that one through

[sturdy glade]

If they didn't want us to have all the gear at the start why did they add godhome

[steady lynx]

I still haven't found any other reason for them adding Godseeker mode

It has to be intentional

[sturdy glade]

This guy gets it

[tight adder]

question i keep hearing about a speed run specific discord is there anyway to join that?

[static umbra]

check pins

[steady lynx]

[tight adder]

oh ty :D

[coral shore]

I'm on it

[rose swift]

I finally completed the steelheart speedrun getting 5 achievements in one go 🎉

[eternal mural]

Hi! I am setting up LiveSplit for me to do some randomizer true ending speedrun, but whenever the timer starts my game suffers insane lag, dropping from 300 fps to like 30 fps. How can I sovle this?

[solar zenith]

is there a recording of such run? - any% mg+ TAS

[formal bough]

mg+?

we have All Glitches, there exists NG+

oh you probably just mean ng+

nobody does ng+ in hollow knight really

[sturdy glade]

Just get all dreamers in the file and go fight thk

[formal bough]

I mean people have done that before yes

it's just not really a thing that's taken off

[steady lynx]

Debug% used to be a category on the modded boards until someone suggested adding a button in the debug menu that just plays the ending cutscene

That's the closest it ever got to being a real category

[boreal siren]

Hello , is there a Debug mode for 1.5.78?

[idle cypress]

yes, can get it through the lumafly mod installer

[boreal siren]

YOO priidik i watch your streams!

[sturdy glade]

Different priidik

[idle cypress]

🐴

[stable quarry]

That would be quite simmular to any% 1mg which could just do mms and start with godhome gear.

[lilac shale]

Hey folks, I'm in an archipelago run and wanted to check if the logic is broken or i'm missing something.
It's telling me the queen's station mask shard (the one on the right with the thorns) is in logic, but I don't have mantis claw.
I have wings and cloak so I can double jump up, but I can't get over the first corner because of the thorns.
Logic definition is FULLCLAW + (LEFTDASH | LEFTSUPERDASH) | WINGS but I don't see how I can do it without C-dash or claw

[stable quarry]

What part can't you make?

[lilac shale]

i can't get on to the first ledge, or at least it's a very tight jump

haha, now you mention it i made it up, was just slightly off on the jump

[stable quarry]

I though that should be doable besides I have no clue how cdash would help there without claw

[weary root]

It's doable with just wings

[lilac shale]

yeah i think i just need to get my jump timing down, any way to make that more consistent?

[stable quarry]

Basically practice

[weary root]

The main thing to keep in mind for max height wings is that you want to repress jump as fast as possible

[stable quarry]

And at the peak of the jump

[weary root]

Like as little down time between release and repress as you can

[lilac shale]

cheers, think i'm getting there so at least i know it's workable now

[stable quarry]

Still qurious how cdash would help?

[lilac shale]

i'm not sure how having cdash works without claw, but i thought it might let me stall on the wall

[stable quarry]

Nah it just lest you cdash from the ground

[lilac shale]

couldn't get the last jump but i managed to hit the switch so all good 😂 thanks for the help!

[long quail]

Does anyone have any tips to beat thk any% nmg?
I'm getting my ass handed to me, I can't even get him to start stabing himself

[stable quarry]

What patch? Thk is easier on 1221 compared to 1432+

You could allways do pogo strats, but fireborn has a pretty good guide on the fight iirc

[long quail]

Most recent

Idk what the console patch is

[stable quarry]

Console is 1432 or 1433

[stable quarry]

You could do sporeshroom thk then.

You basically heal thk to death.

[long quail]

Would try it

[stable quarry]

You take deepnest route and just pick it up on the way to beast den

[upper oasis]

is there like a best way to learn a route, because im trying to learn TE but idk how. (I dont even know what the route looks like at all)

[sturdy glade]

Join the speedrunning discord in pins

[stable quarry]

I'd suggest watching a run or following a guide.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmsiD1UNpNciIqCJH5Hy_Uktwf07K1gnf&si=v6F7TxjljBi3GjmN

[vagrant warren]

Also different people have different learning styles. Some people can learn a aroute just by watching, some need or want detailed notes. Some people full send a run to start some people do segment practice before ever doing a full run. You gotta find what works best for you

[upper oasis]

Okay thanks

[vapid mulch]

I successfully got both scream cancels while practicing :D

(from Dung defender)

[solar zenith]

Ahh not really, shuu meant major/all glitches , dunno what it's actually called.
shu just wants to see how fast & cool it is.

[static umbra]

there is any% all glitches, u can find that category on speedrun.com, the record is <5 minutes

[solar zenith]

Ohww

Thankyuu achy

[solar zenith]

Deyum, wasn't that fun tbh...
it was basically menu/inventory abuse more than half of the time.
The screen was disrupted most of the time too

Any% nmg Tas is definitely the best one for shuu.

[static umbra]

yea i mean they can use any glitch, so its probably not that exciting for most since most ppl cant really tell whats going on when they doing all these weird glitches. meanwhile u can understand more of whats going on in nmg since thats more resembles normal gameplay, so its more enjoyable to watch since ppl can actually understand whats going on

[solar zenith]

Yup

[hard bough]

I have a question being that if I wanted to do a speedrun on console how would I get the right timer and record it?

[vagrant warren]

Console runs just use real time, so the time can just be taken from the video recording.

[wooden grotto]

is QGA a glitch? (so say I were to run glitchless and I did QGA, would it get approved?)

[sacred thunder]

there are 3 different layers of glitches in hk
you have no major glitches, which is your glitchless equivalent, which allows most glitches which are mostly just using normal mechanics used in ways which the typical new player won't find, like QGA, like fireball skip, like background object pogos
then you have no main menu storage, which allows all glitches but main menu storage
then you have all glitches

if you've ever watched a speedrun of hk, there is 99% chance it was played under the nmg ruleset or associated

[mellow hull]

What is the best way to optimize my speedrun? I play on Xbox and I just today got a PB of 58m26s I haven't heard of people getting a LOT better than that(on xbox).

[sturdy glade]

Well technically the answer would be PC because load removed time saves a lot

[vapid mulch]

Question, for godseeker

how do I make myself 5 hp?

like when I see pantheon speedruns, they start at a max of 5 hp

but I can't change from 9

[static umbra]

u need to use a mod like debug mod to remove the extra masks

[vapid mulch]

ah, is that allowed?

[mint mist]

yep

[vapid mulch]

hmmm

Alrrrr

[stable quarry]

You could also do a normal save and just never collect any mask uppgrades though that is a lot more work.

[stable quarry]

Imo the older 10~min runs of any% ag are more interesting as that was before godhome MMS was found so they use ingame MMS a lot more.

[vapid mulch]

yeah that's like 7 hours of work-

[stable quarry]

Nah more like 4 I'd reccon

I guess 7 if you don't really know what your doing

[vapid mulch]

No bc I'd be like

100%ing the game basically

[unreal ermine]

can someone help me with my livesplits I followed fireborn guide on speedrun.com but it doesnt work

[unreal ermine]

nvm

[solar zenith]

Ohw, will check that out

Thnx for informing

[stable quarry]

Np

[solar zenith]

a doubt arised in shuu's mind

Wht does CL mean?

Celeste?

[stable quarry]

Oh that's just my failed radhog charmless attempt

[solar zenith]

Ohww

[stable quarry]

I couldn't get hitless charmless absrad. (Aka I gave up after getting 1 hit charmless absrad )

[solar zenith]

Still amazing fr

Shuu hasn't even done p5 yet

[stable quarry]

It's not that crazy after dping speedruns like GE% where you do p5 with 5 masks anyways because it's faster to not pick them up

[cursive marsh]

is there a way to get livesplit on top of 1.2.2.1 hk?

[stable quarry]

Yes iirc you just start livesplit and then edit click somewhere you can type like the tittle or your segment times then start hk

[cursive marsh]

ty

[viscid saddle]

Does the current 112% wr have a vod on yt?

[steady lynx]

Nebula's?

https://youtu.be/1e8JNbfY6QU
No self promo, pls no ban mods

[viscid saddle]

Thank you

[steady lynx]

Highlight of the run is at 3:09:43

[spark radish]

Is there an HK server or channel for glitches?

[formal bough]

there are glitch channels in the speedrun server

[weary root]

and a link to the speedrun server in the pins of this channel

[static umbra]

can anyone explain how to do the seer early control thing fully correctly? like i can get the early control easily enough but most of the time i just stop just short of the transition, only once have i managed to actually get through the transition and i dont even know what i did. im on current patch if that matters

like is there a specific timing in which i need to pause? right now im just spamming pause immediately after getting dream nail

[weary root]

Yeah on current patch it's really tight

Like stupidly tight

[static umbra]

okay so is it just like precise dash timing?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, make sure you're not mashing the dash button, time your dashes

[weary root]

Dash has a good buffer so you can press dash pretty early

[steady lynx]

Imagine if every action had that good of a buffer, sadly technology hasn't reached a point where that's possible yet

[static umbra]

i was trying to time my dashes, but ig the timing is just really precise. also does holding right immediately after closing the dream nail screen actually help? i was watching the inputs of a speedrunner doing the early control and they were holding right immediately after closing the screen, like even before pausing the game. so i was doing the same thing but it doesnt really seem like its helping me at all. the speedrunner was on a lower patch tho so maybe there is some difference there

[weary root]

Yeah watching runs from earlier patches won't help, it's pretty free on 1221

[steady lynx]

They probably just press the button during the load since it's convenient

Like, it doesn't make a difference, but they don't forget to press right during the pausing and all

[static umbra]

is there a way to quickly practice seer early control with debug mod? the issue im facing rn is that when i set a save state right next to the dream nail pickup spot, the seer isnt there when i load the save state again. i think its cuz the seer is still at the start and theres some trigger thats needs to be hit before the seer pops up at that location? anyways rn im redoing the dream nail platforming section over and over again to practice seer early control, but i just want to practice seer early control and dont want to keep redoing the platforming section

[turbid patio]

Use noxlip

You can increase the speed if you want to

[still lodge]

how do i get to monomon with cdash

like after uumuu

the acid is very alluring i keep falling in it

[sacred thunder]

you go to the right side and cdash across

or are you asking how to do the wcs ?

[weary root]

don't do an inventory drop that goes straight into the acid hope this helps

[steady lynx]

Don't use cdash, just wcs across

[still lodge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SplendidSuspiciousCroissantPeteZaroll-JJ4E8-hyhgglODGb

this is what I mean

acid is my fate

[steady lynx]

Try jumping off the wall

[still lodge]

i cant do the wcs my hands start shaking if i hit 2 cycle

[still lodge]

oh thats a good idea

thank you gusten

[distant cypress]

I've been thinking of maybe starting to speedrun, what's the best to use controller or keyboard and mouse

[static umbra]

use what u r comfortable with

[distant cypress]

Okay thanks

[long quail]

Is wall clinging glitch still doable In current patch?

[formal bough]

it's weaker, a bit different, and not allowed under speedrun.com rules

WCS is banned on 1.4+, you're only allowed to use it on 1221

[long quail]

Is the skip in QG where you fall on spicks to teleport to the lever still possible on current patch too?

[vagrant warren]

Nope

[turbid patio]

Oh that weird

[formal bough]

It's what the community decided on

[turbid patio]

Weird

Hk community I'd weird sometimes

[still lodge]

wcs on lp doesnt give the nyoom speed anyway

[sturdy glade]

Fwiw you can just get wcs by existing on 1221 with claw so it would be really annoying to ban

[turbid patio]

True thsts fair

[north gazelle]

when i try to run 1221 the baldurs dont roll properly (they roll like a cm then stop rinse repeat) i think i heard somewhere that its related to fps not being capped or something. any helpers?

[formal bough]

yeah higher the fps the less they roll

cap your fps to have them role again

[north gazelle]

cap it at what is there a standard that everyone runs at or should i just test?

[formal bough]

like 200-300 range

is my understanding

I don't have a good enough computer to worry about fps capping so I'm not experienced with it personally lol

[north gazelle]

ok thanks

[crude ravine]

Hi

Somwone want Speedrun with me?

If yes add me