speedrunning

[steady lynx]

Unless the category rules on speedrun.com specify otherwise, any fully released official release patch is allowed

The 112 rules specify that 1.4 or higher must be used iirc

1432+ NMG ruleset categories, specify that 1432 or higher must be used

Do with that what you will

[opaque cobalt]

tyvm

appreciate it

[thorn jasper]

and the leaderboard lists which patch the run was on so you can see that info of what people are actually using

[light path]

did you struggle on any particular section or was it just a steady pace overall

[exotic forge]

well i dont remember i started the run about a year ago and picked it up just yesterday

but i think it was both

i didnt get many items so watchers was difficult for me

[light path]

same

[exotic forge]

but steady pace probably also impacted it

[light path]

but you can take some time to get some upgrades

[exotic forge]

i know i was just nervous it would take too much time

[light path]

like i got at least one nail upgrade plus ddark

remember your not going for any% just completion under 5 hours

[exotic forge]

i dont think i got either of those

[exotic forge]

yea

just havnt played the game in a while so i was being cautious

[light path]

also you aren't fighting any dream warriors or bosses so its not like nail upgrades will negatively impact u

[exotic forge]

i have to do uummu, watchers and the hk

plus the other ones

but by the time i get nail 1 or 2 (idk the proper name) ill only have those 3

[light path]

uumuu isnt too hard its just an endurance test

shade soul helps

[exotic forge]

yea

[light path]

also u on current or 1221

[exotic forge]

current

[light path]

k

i would 100% get ddark with shaman

it helps a lot with hk

[exotic forge]

yea im using shaman

cause fireb0rn's guide ;)

im usually a nail person but ive been trying spells lately

[light path]

o

i made my own guide lol

not really

[exotic forge]

o can i see

[light path]

own route*

[exotic forge]

still tho

thats cool

[light path]

ya

although ii had been playing for a while before that it wawsnt like i picked it up again after a while so iget you

[exotic forge]

nice

im boutta put another 100 hrs on this game

i love this game

but i feel like the only achviments i have left are gonna be hard

[halcyon pewter]

Oh boy
speedrun is gonna be hell for you

[hidden sundial]

Spells are very optimal for speedrunning. That said, Shaman + VS is the standard Any % gear. If you already have Dive, I highly recommend upgrading into DDark and that will heavily increase your damage output against THK. Uumuu is completely annoying but the focus would be to get as many double-hit fireballs as possible to make the fight quite shorter

[orchid oyster]

Is it optimal to get dash master

[vagrant warren]

Depends on the category

[acoustic crow]

I cant find the Hollow Knight (Boss) auto split in Livesplit is it just the pure vessel one? And how do I make it so it starts the Timer when I drop down in Kings Pass the Kings Pass (transition) doesn't work?

[vagrant warren]

Timer should automatically start in KP if your autosplitter is set correctly. If you want a split for entering the fight I think you want the THK chains. You don't need an ending split if you're ending on credits.

If you still have trouble I'd suggest using hksplitmaker.com and/or checking the livesplit troubleshooting checklist in the speedrun server

[acoustic crow]

Thanks a lot

[balmy river]

I'm still trying to get the auto spliter to start automatically and show how long it took for me to get to say VS. I'm now using the steam version and the timer thing still won't start, or split automatically. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[shell spindle]

^

[balmy river]

that didn't work

[vagrant warren]

Well I don't see how you managed to check the troubleshooter in the speedrun server since you're not even in that server

[shell spindle]

[halcyon pewter]

Are tripple hits possible on U ummu with VS Or the arena is too small for it

[sacred thunder]

triple hits are quite rare more so because enemies are not big enough/don't take enough knockback/don't move fast enough for them to be possible

uumuu doesn't fit any of those categories

[ocean elk]

It's only a slight detour, but you can get better charms for more dmg

[analog pawn]

for any% NMG it doesn't save time, it saves time in glitched any% categories and saves time to get early in categories that need it anyways like 112 and 107

because there is so much movement that it slowly gains back the time from the claw detour

[rustic saddle]

can someone give me a link of a modding api for 1.2.2.1, cuz i cant seem to find one thats working

[wraith trellis]

?tag 1221

[river axle]

Current 1221 Modding Resources

The Modding API is not allowed to be installed for most runs. This is used for practice purposes.

• HK Speedrun Community Discord
• Video Guide 🎦
• [Basic Installation Instructions](#modding-discussion message)
• Resources Repo

Assembly Files

You can only use one of these

• Modding API: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835911691703156746/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• Modding API with Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1102778898430824559/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• MiniSaveStates: Github
  • Note: MiniSaveStates is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for IL runs.
• Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1100137284667445408/Assembly-CSharp.dll
  • Note: This Adjustable Screenshake is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for runs.

Common Mods for 1221

A ModdingApi must be installed to use these

• Debug: Github
• Benchwarp: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835455873212088360/Benchwarp.zip
• HKTimer: Github

[rustic saddle]

for debug mod

[wraith trellis]

you'll find both Debug and the api in the bot's message

[rustic saddle]

thanks

[ember solar]

Hey everyone
i just joined this channell and i am very interested in no major glitch speedrunning but i don't know where to start

[frank fulcrum]

Any% ?

(Getting the hollow knight ending as fast as possible)

[ember solar]

honestly i love this game so much that i want to try all of them 😄

i don't want to be like top three i just wanna enjoy it

[ember solar]

i watched any% speedrun but it seems like they require a very high level and percise technique with speed dash to go over acid

and i have no idea how to practice something like that

[frank fulcrum]

Just do a simple and easy route
It shouldn't be too hard to get under two hours

If u want I can make a simple and easy route for you

[ember solar]

i would be super grateful if you did that for me

[analog pawn]

yeah start of simple

if you want to practice stuff what we use is debug mod

which lets you place a savestate so that you can retry something as much as you want

[frank fulcrum]

Alr ill give you a easy sub 2 hours method
And I'll give you relics location in image format
But here's the route
Also u need around 800-600geo before city of tears so dont just rush try to get some geo from geo rocks and heavy hitter enemies
( also side note if you don't wana do mantis lords pick up fury in kings pass)
First of all start in king's pass pick up the first two geo rock and then rush to crossroads after that collect some geo on your way
And get about 100 before you reach stag
Buy the stag
Kill the hudk guard that comes before false knight nd then keep going
Kill false knight
Get vengful
Get soul catcher
Greenpath
After that you need to do either hornet fireball skip or squit skip
Also u can kill vengfly king if you need geo it takes less than 60 secs
After that beat hornet
Get the wandereds journal ( it's in same room as stag) and then head towards fog canyon and reach queen station go straight up frommthe station you will find a hallownest seal
( btw don't buy queen stag or greenpath stag )
After that get the notch from the mushrooms
And get mantis claw
( this is optional optional part btw if you need geo beat mantis lords get mantis pride alot of geo and and hallownest seal)okay comming back to main part after claw save quit to the bench in queen station
Go in fog canyon
Go towards howling wraiths and you will find a hallow enst seal in your way
( we are getting howling wraiths cuz it makes soul sanctum and getting d dark ALOT easier.)
After that use city crest to enter city
And get the hallownest seal in the big room. In city and upgrade your nail
Sell all your relics
Get the bench before soul master ( for safety)
Get spell twister before soul master
Finish soul sanctum
Buy city storeroom stag
Go to crossroads beat gruzz mother
Get shaman and and steady body buy an notch rescue sly buy lamp from him

( another optional part if u want shade soul get 800 geo by the you are done with crystal peaks but I wouldn't recommend this cuz d dark is already enough
Now enter c peaks from the dark room in crossroads
Go straight up if u want the bench kill guardian but j would just keep heading up instead after that fall down get c dash then
Getnto crystalizef mound and het d dark
After getting d dark. Fall from. There and reach dream nail

Now your build should be : shaman and spell twister
Go to city buy king station and beat watcher knights

[ember solar]

thanks but why do i need the steady body charm?

[frank fulcrum]

You need 5 charms to get an notch from salubra

[ember solar]

oh right

ok

[frank fulcrum]

Anyway imma write the rest

[ember solar]

thanks

i'll try it tonight

[frank fulcrum]

Also. I. Should have mentined it earlier if you can't acid skip
Get simple key in the city part 1 before getting to stag

So after watcher knight u can get isma tear

Now the rest is pretty simple
King station to dirtmouth
From. There enter crossroads-fog canyon entrance
Beat ummu
And then go to fog canyon to queen station to the deepnest entrance where u fall from fungal waste to deepnest
Reach distanct village buy the stag kill herrah and after that kill final boss

Here's all relics location

[frank fulcrum]

Also sorry spelling mistakes

[ember solar]

i have another question can i just sit on the bench after getting vengful and after killiing hornet i can just quit and reload the game to enter the fungal wastes from forgotten crossroads?

because it seems a little faster

[ember solar]

it's ok you already helped me out a lot

[frank fulcrum]

The problem with that is you need to after getting claw or mantis Lordd save quit to the becnh in queens station
For that u need to take the fog canyon detour

[ember solar]

oh right!

that's so smart!

i'll give you an update tonight after i finish it thanks man ❤️ i love this community already!

[frank fulcrum]

Good luck

[crimson reef]

What’s a good p1 speed run build?

[frozen meteor]

Whats the normal speedrun called?

Any% ?

[vagrant warren]

Not really sure what you mean by "normal" but Any% is the speedrun that gets the regular Hollow Knight ending

[ember solar]

by d dark do did you mean the dark vengful?
i am doing the speedrun right now

[hidden sundial]

Yes

[vagrant warren]

D Dark is Descending Dark, the upgraded Desolate Dive

[ember solar]

what do you mean finish soul sanctum what do i do after soul master?

@hidden sundial @vagrant warren i just saw your message thanks guys

[sacred thunder]

Just follow the fireborn guide

What is the tag for it…

[vagrant warren]

It's in pins (since neither of us remember the tag LOL)

[frozen meteor]

Yes thats what i meant

Is there a begginer guide?

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't needed, thanks. The most up to date resources are in the speedrun server, most guides will go over the optimal route as well as alternatives

[frozen meteor]

I apoligise for that

[frozen meteor]

Thanks

[ember solar]

finished it

i suck

it was more like a slow run

[neat flume]

can I ask about glitches here?

[steady lynx]

Sure, go ahead

[neat flume]

gonna sound weird but is there a skip for gruz mother that doesn't rely on any movement accessories?

trying to route a "spell-only" run

the issue is the elder baldur at the end of the ancestral mound

to beat it you need to hit it with 4 vengeful spirits

not sure if you can get to dream nail without VS so that's out of the question

and salubra (which would get you shaman stone) is not accessible until you beat gruz mother

same with sly

[steady lynx]

Oh, with glitches that's doable, but it's just a bit annoying

[neat flume]

how would I do that

[steady lynx]

But you'd probably be better off doing mound skip, but I don't know how you get past FK

[neat flume]

oh i've just given myself a pass on false knight so long as I don't hit him while his helmet's off

just gonna do the in-built skip for that

gonna use the spikes for the aspid room too

[steady lynx]

It's called Delayed Interaction, it's not too complicated, I can explain it in an hour or so when I'm at my computer

[neat flume]

oh nice

just to confirm this doesn't require killing anything with the nail right?

and works on latest patch?

I could downpatch but that just seems like a pain

[vagrant warren]

You can with lanter, but that requires geo, so would not work for your challenge

[neat flume]

yeah that's why I pointed this out

I asked on the sub and a couple suggested lantern

which was funny

[steady lynx]

I guess if you just happened to grind geo by having spikes fall on enemies repeatedly

[neat flume]

cannot get to sly

[mossy brook]

Don't you need to do exactly that for the shortcut to open up

Except one time instead of trice

Trice? Three times

[neat flume]

no

you just have to knock him down i think

[mossy brook]

Pretty sure it opens during his rage after being staggered

[neat flume]

yeah

but you don't have to actually damage him

you can stagger him as many times as you like, only the head hitting counts as damage

i think

[sacred thunder]

also im not sure that delayed interaction would be enough

[mossy brook]

But does False Knight come out of staggers himself? I thought only failed champion did that

[neat flume]

I think?

[sacred thunder]

you get out of mound sure, but that doesn't give you greenpath access or sly/salubra access

[neat flume]

oh I thought you meant it skipped gruz mother...

that's what I'm trying to do

[sacred thunder]

i guess you can stall ball and make your way back to greenpath and stuff actually

[neat flume]

stall ball could work

[sacred thunder]

and get grubsong (maybe), so it probably works enough

[neat flume]

grubsong would likely let me kill gruz mother

actually maybe it wouldn't, would she die in like 4 hits?

[mossy brook]

In 6

[neat flume]

ah. that's an issue

I'd only have like 5 masks

[mossy brook]

Hope for the double hit

[neat flume]

I guess yeah

god this run is funny, I'm being fucked over by gruz mother of all things

[steady lynx]

So you need a way to skip Gruzmom?

Idk, I'm too 1028 pilled to help

[neat flume]

yes

[steady lynx]

There is a room dupe to get past Gruzmom on current patch, but I'm not sure if you can get to Queen's Station without damaging a mushroom enemy in Fungal once

[analog pawn]

if you get ismas you can do a yoob to skip gruz mom

[steady lynx]

And at that point you might as well just get claw and roob past Gruzmom

[analog pawn]

yoob is just the funniest way to go get oob to me

probably

[steady lynx]

Just get yump state from Blue Lake so you can do Gruzmom skip with that

[analog pawn]

oh true

[steady lynx]

Honestly yeah, just start the run by getting claw, it's way easier than getting VS

This is getting closer and closer to low nail swing, and I don't touch that

[neat flume]

how

and more importantly would I have to downpatch

[light path]

Can’t you do item less hauler

Baulder*

Wait it’s spell only you’re right sorry

[neat flume]

I don't think you know what run I'm trying to

yeah

[light path]

Uhh

[neat flume]

also 64 frame perfect inputs

:(

[light path]

You might have to use the fly exploit

Hover *

Or do TAS fog canyon lol

[neat flume]

I would like to mention I have absolutely no clue what any of this is

[light path]

Oh

Are you new to the game?

[neat flume]

Nope!

[light path]

Oh

[neat flume]

haven't done ANY speedrunning though

asking here for glitches because speedrunners do that for a living or something

[light path]

The hover glitch is where you open your inventory as you fall on a floating object which lets you hover

[neat flume]

oh you can't do that on current patch

I'd have to downpatch which is slightly annoying

[light path]

TAS fog canyon is a method of getting into fog canyon via the crossroads acid skip entrance without items

[neat flume]

oh hey i've done that, doesn't it require claw and superdash?

oh wait

without items

damn

[light path]

I’ll try to find a clip

[neat flume]

I'm guessing it's called TAS fog canyon because it's nigh undoable by a human?

[grizzled ferry]

ive been quick killing pure vessel for abt the whole day but ive been stuck on what last charm to use, my current build right now is: unbreakable strength, steady body, quickslash, sprint master, fury of the fallen and shaman stone (sometimes shaman stone is switched out for sharp shadow), but ik that shaman stone is prob in-optional and wanted to know what charm would be a better replacement for it?

[light path]

@neat flume I think the only reasonable thing you can do is grind geo for lantern then get dream nail to kill the baulder

[neat flume]

for the 20000th time

sly is BEHIND GRUZ MOTHER

[light path]

Why do you need sly? Just go into green path use dream nail to kill hornet, enter fungal to get claw and then enter city using damage tank shade skip

Not that hard

Sly is convoluted

[lime dust]

Did my first run today, awful time but at least I got passed Watcher Knights after the 18th try

[light path]

Noice

[neat flume]

you just suggested lantern

which sly sells

that's why I mentioned sly

lmao

[light path]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cringe-dies-diesofcringe-theruxemburg-gif-25773904

UHHHHHHHHHH 🙄

ERM

yeah you might be cooked

[neat flume]

lmfao

[light path]

What is your challenge? No nail to damage enemies or no nail at all

Cuz you could do stalk ball

[neat flume]

not doing nailless

no nail to damage enemies

[light path]

Oh

Then learn stall. Ball

[neat flume]

also what would stall ball get me

[light path]

Claw

[neat flume]

genuine question

[light path]

CLAW

[neat flume]

so the route would be

get to ancestral mound

[light path]

How kill false knight

[neat flume]

skip it with that one glitch I don't know how to do but i can learn

[light path]

O ya

[neat flume]

stagger once (not damage)

uhh

[light path]

Ya

[neat flume]

do that stall ball

then get claw

[light path]

Then you can get whatever

[neat flume]

right

[light path]

Like you can get cyclone

[neat flume]

how would I get to dream nail...

[light path]

are you counting cyclone

[neat flume]

yes that's a nail attack

[light path]

Ok hmm

Idk

Once you get claw you have a lot of options

You can go thorough the back route of green path for hornet

But you still need damage

[neat flume]

yeah

that's the issue

[light path]

Charms until you can kill soul master to get dream nail

[neat flume]

not sure how I'd kill soul master without spells?

[light path]

You could do Grimm child

Wait I’m dumb

[neat flume]

I'd rather keep damage to spell only

[light path]

Sorry I keep thinking NO NAIL rather than ONLY SPELLS

Ok so this is really dumb

But you have to get to sky

[neat flume]

my only rule break is using the spikes to kill the aspids for that one forced gauntlet

[light path]

Sly

Through blue lake

[neat flume]

and we're back to square one

[light path]

Now that you have claw

[neat flume]

that requires resting grounds i think

not sure I can go through city for that

[light path]

Idk if your thing is possible

[neat flume]

not to mention I'd need to kill false knight for that I think?

[light path]

No

[neat flume]

typically I go through rich side I don't actually remember how to get into city normally

[light path]

I know your route

[neat flume]

yeah lol

[light path]

After you get claw

Fall down into deep nest trap

[neat flume]

dark deepnest my beloathed

[light path]

Get Tram pass and go to ancient basin

[neat flume]

TRUE ACTUALLY

[light path]

Enter east city

Go up elevator

[neat flume]

yes I'm seeing now

okay maybe it is doable

[light path]

Grt to dream nail

The hardest part is stall ball

[neat flume]

with only two glitches too

wow

[light path]

What glitches

[neat flume]

stall ball and the ancestral mound skip

[light path]

Cuz stall ball isn’t a glitch

It’s called lowering your frame rate

It wasn’t intended yes but it’s more of a bug

Also explain a mound skip

[neat flume]

idk i've heard of it

delayed interaction

[light path]

Well if it’s a thing then the challenge is possible

[neat flume]

you up to explain this yet?

[light path]

In fact I think uiu can do true ending

[neat flume]

once I get dream nail I can progress as normal

[light path]

Ya

Also you can get wings without c dash although that doesn’t really matter lol

Since you need to kill soul master

[steady lynx]

It's not particularly difficult

[light path]

For monomon

[grizzled ferry]

would mark of pride be better or what?

[light path]

Why the nail swings

[neat flume]

ok so what I'm seeing here is that you attack and interact with the bench at the same time, which stores the input?

then with that you get vs as normal, then attack to trigger the bench?

[steady lynx]

The nail swing prevents the knight from benching, then I move out of the interaction range on the same frame as I make the up input to try to interact with it, which stores it

[neat flume]

oh I see

[steady lynx]

Then after getting VS I just press up to activate it

[neat flume]

you can tell it's worked because the knight doesn't swing the nail?

[light path]

Is there a way to use save states to practice

[steady lynx]

you can tell it worked because the interact text stays on screen

[light path]

Because that’s really annoying

If you have to reset your file every time you fail

[steady lynx]

What are you talking about?

[light path]

Reacting

Practicing

[neat flume]

pretty sure it stores indefinitely

[steady lynx]

If you don't store the interact you just try again until it works

[neat flume]

so you can just do it until you get the glitch and then grab the spell right?

[light path]

Ohh

Got it

I didn’t understand how it worked lol

Now I do

Yeah the run is totally possible even true ending

[neat flume]

might stream this tomorrow

see if I can get it

[light path]

Yessir

Ping me

If you do

[neat flume]

sure

timezone?

actually just tell me what time it is now

[light path]

Stall ball is only part that require practice

I’m on eastern standard so it’s 8:48 pm for me

[steady lynx]

technically you need to do a single nail slash on Radiance to kill her at the end of the fight, so if TE is possible is up to you

[light path]

Well

That’s require

[neat flume]

wow you are like 5 hours behind me

[neat flume]

yeah i'll just count that as a force

[light path]

Oh lol

[neat flume]

it's 1:50 am

i'll keep that in mind

[light path]

I’m free all day tomorrow tho

[neat flume]

i'll probably get up around 8 o clock your time (i sleep in a lot)

[frank fulcrum]

I meant descinding dark

[light path]

Up yet? Lol. I can’t watch the stream
For the next hour but then in like an hour to an hour fifteen I can

[neat flume]

literally just did

dunno if i'll wanna for a while though

[solar lion]

Anyone have a good livespit thing set up for fireborns any% route

[sacred thunder]

The pins link a website which has splits (and autosplits)

[solar lion]

found it

I got a time of 2:45:51 is that good for a second try

[vagrant warren]

If you're proud of it, it's a good time

[coarse pasture]

I speedrun game in 55:53

is that good

(55 hours xd)

(it wasnt a speedrun)

[shell spindle]

It is if u decide it is a speedrun

If u tried to go fast

Tried to cut time off by either going a certain route or performing skips

[cinder perch]

I have done my first any% speedrun time was around 3 hours

[frank fulcrum]

Good job

[cinder perch]

Now steel soul time

[frank fulcrum]

Do 100% te route on steel soul so you get speed compleyion achievement too

[cinder perch]

I will do a 100% speedrun from the beginning and then steel soul because if I die in the speedrun I have not to do it again

[shell spindle]

ss isn't rly hard

theres only a few bosses that might be hard that kills you

and a few spots which are hard

but u'll be fine as long as u go slow since 20 hours is so much

[light path]

Tip for steel soul: when you encounter a boss on SS profile, swap to another profile and practice until you feel ready to fight the boss

SS meaning steel soul

[cinder perch]

Okè

[hidden sundial]

Or just imagine you have one less mask than you really do and S&Q if in health trouble

[frank fulcrum]

Just equip fury of fallen to beat the boss faster

[steady lynx]

Just don't die

[solar lion]

I HATE THIS

[still lodge]

yeah me too

[steady lynx]

Welcome to the club

[raven needle]

what is the hardest speedrun.

[weary root]

probably something like low% nmms

[raven needle]

imo its godhome ending

[solar lion]

is it cheating editing my steal soul save after dying to my controller dying

[hidden sundial]

Low% TE - too much mental strength required

[solar lion]

I killed Uumuu

[raven needle]

low% godhome ending?

[hidden sundial]

Yeah that is somehow even worse

[steady lynx]

Low% Weathered Mask

[raven needle]

or maybe low% trial of the fool

[steady lynx]

That's not too hard

[raven needle]

never seen anyone do it

[solar lion]

low% all grubs

[raven needle]

not bad at all

[steady lynx]

You get to have claw, Trials are basically free with that

[raven needle]

you have 5 masks, no charms or nail upgrades

[solar lion]

low% all elderbug dialogue

[raven needle]

blindfolded hitless low% godhome ending

[shell spindle]

no geo max% not counting cactus impossible run

[light path]

speaking of cactus, how about LOW% BLINDFOLDED???

[shell spindle]

thats what i meant

[raven needle]

did cactus fake it?

[shell spindle]

i think it's called impossible any%

[shell spindle]

zoteagony

[raven needle]

I'll take that as a yes

[shell spindle]

do u think he'd waste 1 hour in deepnest cuz he 'forgot how to move'

thats quite superb acting

[raven needle]

gotta make it look real

[shell spindle]

oscar winner goes to cactus

(but idk i just watched 1 vid on it which said it was real)

[vast ivy]

I'd like to start speedrunning Hollow Knight. Suggestions on resources to start learning the any% no major glitches route?

[vagrant warren]

Join the server in pins, updated resources are there

[vast ivy]

thanks homie 🙂

[frank fulcrum]

I've see people do trail fools hitless no charms old nail
They said they did it for fun it can't be that hard

[grim blade]

I would like to restate an old idea I had.
Getting shamans stone early. I’ve done it all it requires is getting the geo rocks form kings pass as well as the stray ones on the way to Gruz mother and you can still buy the stag and afford shamans

[weary root]

ok but why?

[grim blade]

My thought is less back tracking and less time on the baulders

[weary root]

assuming you're talking about any% nmg they go past salubra to shade skip anyway

so you're suggesting more backtracking

[grim blade]

Maybe it would help to know what charms NMG any% gets

I may be inept

[weary root]

it gets shaman stone only

[grim blade]

I see the flaws now

Is there at least one category that would benefit from this form of early shamans stone?

[weary root]

you need to either fireball skip or shade skip to get to salubra

so probably not

much faster to come back with dash

[frank fulcrum]

If it's controllers fault then its okay to cheat

[shell spindle]

first run any% is better to get shaman early

that's what I did and free baldur kills

as if they weren't free already

[analog pawn]

the only thing you really would use it for if you get it early is hornet

[shell spindle]

she's already free too zoteagony

I mean i had shaman so i wouldnt know

but I beat her and took like 3 hits

also best way for muscle memory on spike tunnel?

I tried broken elevaator shaft like 20 times and gave up

i only got 1 run with the spell cast correct but didnt dash after the pogo quick enough

[sacred thunder]

Technically you can get through the spike tunnel to enter waterways… without doing the usual, fireball, pogo, dash & repeat setup
You can just pogo and dash and barely make it to the ledge

You need to jump a bit lower than you usually do to make sure that your jump gets you as far as possible into the spike tunnel

[analog pawn]

yeah, jump from the bottom of the right wall, pogo when you are very close to the spikes, you have a bit more space than it looks like. Then dash and you have made it to the left, from there you can cdash to the right

it's a lot easier than any fireball version imo

[steady lynx]

Just don't tell Nebula that you do that

[shell spindle]

icic

sounds good

[frank fulcrum]

What's a sub 1 hour route that gets dive and isma

[analog pawn]

You can probably do normal any% early game but skip getting crossroads stag, then in city, go to sanctum, escape sanctum to KS, bench there, stag to DM, go to peaks dive entrance, get cdash and ddark, quitout to KS, spike tunnel and acid skip to ismas, quitout, go get lurien, then go to monomon from dirtmouth, then herrah

this would also do dark rooms optimally but you have time to sell to lemm and get lantern if you want

Probably not the best way to do this, just came up with this off the top of my head

[frank fulcrum]

Thanks for this I really appreciate it

[frank fulcrum]

I can probably mange relics to get lantern but I have a question woudnt it be faster to bench near watcher knights after soul sanctum ?
So after getting d dark I can oblitrate them instantly?

[analog pawn]

yeah probably

I didn't think the route through much

but yes that should be faster

[sacred thunder]

You can’t really
If you go to sanctum for dive, you don’t have access to right side city
So the route most likely is gonna be, enter city, go to sanctum, go to peaks, then resting grounds then re-enter city from the right side then go to watcher knights/Ismas

basically you just do the fireborn 5 hour achievement guide but play it quickly

(Linked in the pins iirc)

[hidden sundial]

I feel like the fireborn 5 hour is pretty good for DDark + Isma. Naturally ignoring Dung Defender and doing spike tunnel + acid skips would save time but at that point, I'd say just do Crossroads skip, it's way easier, and if QGA is too harsh, the Spore Shroom route into Deepnest loses only a minute.

[frank fulcrum]

Yeah sub 1 hours is probably not possible
I only have dark + isma + watcher but it's already 1 hour and 15 mins

Btw I got dive by the detour from watcher knights not through the left side

[hidden sundial]

If willing to use standard Dive vs WK and DDark only for THK, and ignore Isma, you can do all city content in one visit instead of having to go back after getting DD

[frank fulcrum]

Aww man thk ruined my speedrun

[weary root]

low equip thk is hard

especially on current patch

[hidden sundial]

Yeah I find it to be the hardest boss in the run and struggle with it more than with WK

[frank fulcrum]

True even not having spell twister is making him exponentially harder

Last run I beat him second try with the same gear + spell twsiter
This time I didn't bother getting two extra notches for twister
And now he's kicking my ass

[tardy lion]

The solution is to train for Pure Vessel low equipment and then THK feels really easy

[weary root]

um no
you should practise thk low equip cause the fights are very different

[frank fulcrum]

Trying to pogo thk's tripple like PV instead of dasing away is what messing me up

[cinder marsh]

Hi, i want to speedrun any% nmg in ps5. Is it possible to get a competitive time? (38:00 more or less) Because I think you cant downpatch the game in Ps5

I've seen the @topaz heart video and I know the route. But I don't have a good PC, so downloading it from steam is not an option

And why can't you speedrun in the current patch? Is it because the inventory drop?

[hidden sundial]

You can speedrun in current patch. It's just a bit slower due to inventory drops, lever skips and THK increased health.

[cinder marsh]

Thanks!

[weary root]

consoles have their own boards! here's the ps5 one:
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight?h=Console_Runs-Any-PS5XSeries&x=7dg9e9gk-38do641l.21dd2rg1-p8591z0n.81ppz6e1

[severe dirge]

Is the fungal skip patched? The one where you pogo off the bomb from those fungal guys and then pogo off the explosion right after

[weary root]

you can't pogo the explosion on current patch but you can still pogo the spore and there are different methods you can use to still do it

[severe dirge]

oh ok

[weary root]

if you join the speedrunning server (link in the pins^) and go here #822611690871980092 message
there's a list of a bunch of different set ups

[severe dirge]

Alright thanks!

[main pier]

Inventory drops are possible on console it just is more difficult because you have to open inventory right before falling off the edge

[hidden sundial]

Yeah, same applies to current patch. Inventory drops still work but only on that circumstance, so they're less likely to be useful. Pulling it off when going down from Lurien really helps though

[main pier]

Also gruz room is still nice to do it

[steady lynx]

Unless you're trying to hyper optimise like any% 1432+ NMG you shouldn't even worry about missing inventory drops

They're nice to go for regardless though

[main pier]

I go for them cus I think they look cool lol

[steady lynx]

Back when I ran NMG I kept going for dreamnail drops for some reason

[main pier]

I don’t even know what that is

lol

[cinder marsh]

Thanks for the info guys!!

the runs are in patch 1.4.3.2

Is that the current patch or did they downpatch somehow?

And if you do the run in ps5 but with K&M?

[hidden sundial]

Current patch is 1.5.7.8, but some do play 1.4.3.2 since it has a Spore Shroom glitch that makes it incredibly powerful against THK, thus saving some time

Not sure if there are any other major differences between the two

[cinder marsh]

But how do you downpatchit?

thats the question

[analog pawn]

the 1.5 patch is only on pc

so if you play on ps5 you will always be 1.4

[hidden sundial]

Oh that's a new one for me

[severe dirge]

Yo guys what's that application called that shows on screen which keys you're pressing? Those that speedrunners use

If you know Lep, the one that he uses specifically

[vagrant warren]

That's an input overlay, there are several options depending on what input method you're using I think? Nohboard is a popular one. Probably more resources about that in the pinned server

[potent flume]

Oh wait I found a speedrunning way to get to watcher knights way faster

All you need to do is get desolate dive and head into the resting grounds into the catacombs

And you can get into kings station

Which allows you to find your way to the watcher knights

And kingdoms edge

[shell spindle]

What about city crest to dive back to watchers

[potent flume]

Well yeah you still gotta get that from false knight

But I feel it could save massive time

Since you could go straight for quick slash or kings brand

After getting that long of stuff

[frank fulcrum]

Wait why would go to edge?

U will have to fight hornet at 5 hp

[signal spruce]

Hey! Ive been wanting to speedrun HK for a while now but i have no clue where to start. I havent speedrun anything before and im not sure what im doing lol. Does anyone have any tips for recording, gameplay, etc?

(feel free to ping me if you do)

[frank fulcrum]

Ig try the fire born begginer route?
However I feel like this one is the best got 3 hours and 13 first trh with it although I did mantis lords as extra and skipped wings

https://youtu.be/7gA-PB5giRw?si=LV4lL9pMtnclA1EY

[potent flume]

I know I mean like you could go to that area for quick slash

[frank fulcrum]

Ehh not dosent really seem like worth the detour to me
But if it works then it works

[steady lynx]

Join the pinned server and ask more there, if you're actually serious about running

[hidden sundial]

For recording I use OBS, but anything that can record your screen and/or HK window works fine, really. Also you may want to get LiveSplit to track down your times

Gameplay wise, for starting the fireb0rn guide is a good way to begin (if you want to do Any%, there are many other categories), as you feel a bit more confident, you can switch to the standard Any% route (if QGA is proving too hard, you can use the alternative Spore Shroom route)

[winter coral]

I just completed a 2:45 hr speedrun so pretty happy with that

[formal bough]

congrats!

[winter coral]

Thank you!

[signal spruce]

Congrats!!

[main pier]

I keep dying to watcher knights

[analog pawn]

yeah they are really difficult, keep practicing and you will get there!

[light path]

gg

[frank fulcrum]

Congrats man

[frank fulcrum]

Get d dark shaman and spell twister

It makes them alot easier then slowly try to take off gear till you can do them with just vs and shaman

[main pier]

But I’m trying to practice the speedrun route version with only 5 masks claw sash, vs, and shaman

[halcyon pewter]

Do easier first
Imo get Shade soul for now
Once u get Used to it
Do it With just vs

[analog pawn]

you can do it with just shaman from the start

But I think you should only do watcher knights practice specifically then

[main pier]

K

[hidden sundial]

Yeah, you probably don't want to restart runs every time it goes rough with WK. Just practice the fight with the expected gear and you'll beat it consistently

[vital relic]

I’m kinda raging through the 2nd collosuem

Got lik 91% completion

[weary root]

2nd colosseum?

oh no

[steady lynx]

This screams "I never use a spell in combat"

[frank fulcrum]

Real

[hidden sundial]

I probably didn't either on my first run until I got to Colo 3

The floorless section there taught me better

[frank fulcrum]

Why did I never thought of ussing spells in floor less section

[frank fulcrum]

Anyways what a good any% dnm nmg route to get sub 5 hours

[winter coral]

Damn bro that's tough😭

[frank fulcrum]

I thought pogo was the best strat

[weary root]

<@&283547423706447872> ^ seems sus?

[steady lynx]

I know pogo isn't a great strat, but you don't have to call the mods over it

[frank fulcrum]

Real

[frank fulcrum]

On a shade soul any% route how do you get enough geo to for both lamp and elegant key

[analog pawn]

people usually grab the relic above mantis village and the one with the sporgs I believe

then one or two more? wellic maybe

[frank fulcrum]

I did grab a lot of relics but sadly I only had 1.9 k geo after selling relics lemn
so I grabbed c peaks kings idol
And now I am going towards lemmn again
What could have pervented this?

[analog pawn]

oh yeah also rafters seal and kings station seal

[analog pawn]

really just getting even more relics

gorgeous husk is also a good source of geo

[teal chasm]

path of pain 5th completion ever in 4:57 min
is that good?

[analog pawn]

I'd say so

but, if you're happy with it it's a good time I'd say

[teal chasm]

im just tryna improve my time each attempt cuz that was my fifth ever try

[frank fulcrum]

Not getting nail 1 was stupid
Soul wariors minion take 3 hits to kill 😭

[hidden sundial]

That's more soul to spam VS with

[frank fulcrum]

True but I keep getting overwhelmed

Died 3 times now

[teal chasm]

7th ever pop speedrun attempt 4:13

[frank fulcrum]

My first sub 2 hour

Thk was so much easier without d dark for some reason

[teal chasm]

guys any tips for the 2nd to last part in pop? i always go thrue the whole pop with no hits but that 2nd to last part's corridor at the end kills me alot

[azure nest]

Chat where would I start on doing 112%?

For speedrunning of course

Is there like a doc I can scower or like a video?

[grim blade]

What’s up with the APB At the end of 112% on speedrun.com?

[weary root]

There's a link to the speedrunning server in the pins ^ join that and ask in #107-112-percent

[weary root]

APB stands for All Pantheon Bosses, it means that the run includes GPZ in pantheons and all the p5 exclusive bosses

[grim blade]

Alright thanks

[azure nest]

So I made it about 50 minutes in on 112% run... and then I realized there was a dark room and I've never done any dark rooms before which means I have to learn that before trying again, lols

maybe I should actually look through the run before trying it

[grim blade]

That is definitely a good idea

[light path]

isnt lumafly a percent though

[azure nest]

yea, but you get it later than crystal heart (er I think it is, I am definitly not learning deepnest darkrooms!!!!!!)

[light path]

no

i mean maybe in the wr route they get it after cdash

you only need to save sly

then u can buy it

[azure nest]

in the splits they have it much later, so I didn't plan for it (again I didn't look through the route)

[light path]

i would get the lantern before deepnest especially if you are scared of deepnest

but the crystal peaks darkroom is much easier to learn

[light path]

its great to watch the wr of the category you want to speedrun, but if you are new to hollow knight (or even just speedrunning) you probably don't want to copy them exactly

[azure nest]

yea, I plan on learning the crystal peaks darkroom, I am okie with that one but I don't wanna learn other ones till much later (maybe at 1000 hours in game time)

[light path]

i like to map out my own routes

[azure nest]

I thought the general splits weren't the ones for following the wr holder... another instance of I should look through the route before doing it, lols

[analog pawn]

you only do the crystal peaks dark room before lantern anyways

[light path]

wait im confused

when you say splits

[azure nest]

Yea, I just haven't learned it yet

[light path]

i assume you are talking about the speedrunner's splits during a run

[analog pawn]

yeah

[light path]

if you are looking at the route that is something else

[analog pawn]

I mean the splits show the route anyways

like the 112 splits on like hksplitmaker split on everything pretty much

[azure nest]

I am talking about hte hksplitmaker site thingy

[light path]

im not super familiar with the hk speedrunning resources

cuz i like to make my own routes

[analog pawn]

I believe you definitely can follow the world record route very closely for 112 btw, there are barely any skips, hardest part are fights but you can practice those and just skip overcharms and stuff you would do optimally

[azure nest]

Fairs enough... honestly I think I could do the standard route bc I didn't think to sell to lemm, I would have had enough geo for getting lumafly at that point anyway

[light path]

112 is different from most categories because you have to do almost anything

everything*

[azure nest]

yea, so there isn't really a point to skipping anything

[light path]

exactly

but the order which you do it in

like in the speedrun they might do undergeared boss to save time not having to return to the area

but if you legit cannot beat the boss then u can go get other things early

[azure nest]

Mhm, that sounds about right... anyways I am doing p5 all bindings right now

[light path]

oh

lol u probably better at the game then me

havent beaten p3 casually lol

i havent*

[frank fulcrum]

Omg That's such a based category

[twilit stratus]

Just tried my first run. I watched the EasySpeezy video just to get an idea of the route. I got to HK at about 1 hour 20. I finished the run in 3 hours 30

i don't think i'll do another run

[frank fulcrum]

How did hk took you so long?
What upgrades did you had?

[azure nest]

I did 6 hours of 112% APB... I made it to flower quest, and took a hit... I am gonna try all over again tomorrow(er soon)... probably with a better idea on movement and better knowledge on where things are (2 hours were probably just me realizing I don't know where X thing is, lol)

I have classes tomorrow so I am gonna get to sleep... that was torture, but I loved it :3

[last summit]

I decided speedrunning would be fun so I also tried my very first part of a run recently :p. I am doing any% current patch and have been practicing only the first split for now (vengeful spirit)

I got the route down and decided which tricks I wanna do and which aren’t a priority for now

Now to just do them all successful in a row >.<

[cinder marsh]

Hii, wich route did you take?

[frank fulcrum]

Any% with shade soul
The oh reason I didn't get sub 1.5 hours was because I kept dying to soul warior and watcher knights
It was my first run without dive and ismas
Honestly they are not really worth the effort they are too time consuming
Ismas is not worth it because it takes longer to get ismas then to learn acid skip
Thk and watchers can be hard and overwhelmimng without invis frames
But if u get dive
Then d dark is 100% recommend by me. It's worth it

[low oasis]

hello, i'm sure its been covered a million times, but i'm on ps5 and learning the explosion pogo and cant get the pogo on the explosion, can someone post a video on this, or is it patched or whats up?

btw, i've wathed a few tutorials and just cant figure it out

[vagrant warren]

You cant pogo the explosion on current patch, only the projectile. Look for tutorials that say latest patch, current patch, or 1432+

[low oasis]

i;ve tried pogo'ing the projectile and it just blows up, is that normal?

[vagrant warren]

That sounds like a timing issue

[low oasis]

kk

[vagrant warren]

Like, waiting too long. The setup for the new version is quite different, you can't just stand on the ground and jump up to it

[distant shard]

And I thought this channel was all for Fire

[shell spindle]

Yea the new epogo is very different and from what I see, harder and more penalising when you miss it

[steady lynx]

It's only arguably harder than boomerpogo

Compared to anything fast on 1221 its easier to do the fireball stall epogo on 1432+

[analog pawn]

imo boomerpogo is still the easiest overall because the visual cues are very good but yeah, after that the easier lp pogos are probably the simplest

[steady lynx]

Dashless lp epogo and pantapogo probably take the cake when it comes to being difficult

[cinder marsh]

Perfect

[normal aspen]

Dashless lp > panta > dashless mantis safari > harder/faster lp 1fb variants (callipogo) and fast 1221 ones (firepogo mainly, the two are similar) > the easy LP setups (multiple fireball ones like Allipogo and the OG setups) > boomer pogo > mantis safari

(Imo)

[steady lynx]

Surely the easiest method is to just soob

[normal aspen]

Idk you mess up soob and u restart the run

The easy epogos u get a few tries

And while timing soob is easy it doesn't have the same super easy visual cue of the easy ones

[gleaming valve]

hi guys, i was wondering if there's an explanation somewhere about how speedrunners calculate timesaves and the optimal routes for HK or games in general. It's a topic I find rather interesting thanks

[stable moon]

It's really just

1. have route idea
2. time route idea
3. If its faster, it becomes the main route
4. If its not faster, people will continue to suggest it every few months 🙃

It's generally just individuals having ideas and testing them

[gleaming valve]

oh i see, so it's very up to the creativity of the individual, thanks!

[analog pawn]

yeah on a smaller scale it can just be movement in a single room where someone wonders if there is something faster, so then they go ahead and time things themselves

and occasionally that leads to a new faster strategy

[gleaming valve]

I see. I thought there might be a general way to determine the fastest movement possible inside a room given some way to traverse it, and maybe that's what speedrunners /TASers did to design the paths. Thanks!

[light path]

if you are interested in doing a TAS there are certain individuals who you can reach out to and they know a lot about this topic

if you are wondering about micro optimizations for human RTA runs:

1. if you are a new speedrunner, don't worry about this. focus on getting the basics out of the way first: the three bosses, WK, umuu and THK, the 5 big skips (shade skip, fireball skip, epogo, fog canyon acid skip, qga, as well as darkrooms) and the BASIC movement

2. if you are a more experienced speedrunner, i would go to the hk speedrunning discord linked in pins, they aremuch better suited to this than i am

[grave frost]

i feel miserably, how all these people do acid skip. i watched tutorials, practiced and nothing works, i will continue later, but maybe there is some secret knowledge how to do it and I'm just not in the club. help?

[light path]

have you joined the speedrunning discord? its linked in the pins

they can probably help you

[grave frost]

oh! i ll check it tomorrow thanks

[light path]

also you can skip the acid skip for now and try other tricks that might be easier

such as shade skip, fireball skip, epogo (either for 1221 or current, whichever patch you are running on)

and the darkrooms

[grave frost]

sounds reasonable

[red gale]

are there any resources for optimizing the various bosses (preferably with all bindings enabled)

[sacred thunder]

-# hold on, if you do spelless route, you are freeing up 3 charm notches by not getting shaman’s, surely, that must mean that dashmaster is actually worth it now for any% !!

[weary root]

Check the pins, join the speedrunning server, and ask in #il-combat

[gleaming valve]

Thanks a lot!

[frank fulcrum]

By any chance Are you attempting acid skips with ismas tear?

[normal aspen]

Not really because you use fury, so you would need to get the notch or be overcharmed, and since we still get cdash we don't have the long stretches of dashes. Picking it up is about 50s, which we don't make up over a run

[frank fulcrum]

Poor dash master fans

[grim blade]

Is it possible to get cdash before you enter city of tears?

[frank fulcrum]

Uh what kind of question is even this

Of course yes

Wait is this a troll

[grim blade]

No I’m actually asking because I’m curious

Thanks

[frank fulcrum]

Oh okay you will need to grind lamp without relics though

[grave frost]

yes?..

[verbal stag]

you can't do acid skips when you have tear because it sucks you into the acid from higher up

[gentle vector]

Anyone know what that one skip that required you using heavy blow to get to somewhere with minimal wall grabs is?

I remember seeing it once, but I can't remember much else about it

[light path]

is that the thing where the tas has to use glowing womb for

[gentle vector]

I don't think it was a tas thing, but I could be wrong

[formal bough]

That's to climb up the top left kigndom edge where you heavy blow one of the flying enemies to get closer

iirc

KE entrance journal clawless you hit a boofly into position

[gentle vector]

oh ty

Can't find any videos or any info on it unfortunately

[light path]

go to the speedrunning discord

linked in pins

[formal bough]

nah I can't find a video of it there either

well I did find a streamable video ...

[frank fulcrum]

Acid skips are much easier without ismas tear
And qga skip is basically impossible with ismas tear
You should try learning acid skip on your next run
They are much easier then u might think

[coral shore]

Most acid skips are strictly impossible with ismas tear, not just harder

[grave frost]

thank you so much!! i tried it and now it works for me

oh god i m so glad

[finite verge]

Could be shade soul? In archives? To skip key and boss?

[gusty comet]

iirc this was a skip in deepnest where you pogo the corpse creepers

[sacred thunder]

It’s in beast den

You push a corpse creeper far enough up so that they cling on a wall

Just search for beating the game clawless and you will find the video that has it
It should be about a year old (before shrogo)

[frank fulcrum]

Congrats

[tired spear]

does anyone know of any current low% tutorial videos or even just videos of runs? i can't find any on speedrun . com or youtube (i might just be blind tho)

i would take a written guide atp i can't find ANY resources on it

[analog pawn]

normal low% has a leaderboard on speedrun.com

if you want low% True Ending (grinding bees), then we don't have a category or anything for that

[light path]

Yes there is

Isn’t there

[tardy lion]

Not on the leaderboards

[steady lynx]

It's on the extension extension spreadsheet

Together with highly competitive categories like All Hallownest Seals and No Benches

[tardy lion]

Is punch grubfather on there?

[steady lynx]

Nope

[tardy lion]

:(

[light path]

This isn’t dragon ball street fighters 1979 arcade game

[slate zephyr]

Hey! Im struggling with a shade skip can someone help?

I DID IT

SO HARD

I still need help practicing it

[light path]

which shade skip

[slate zephyr]

The one that leads to blue lake

[weary root]

you want to lure the shade higher by staying high on the wall
you want to jump from the middle of the wall cause otherwise you bonk on the ceiling
you want to pogo the shade from further away than you think - so you're dashing over, pogoing, then dashing back
if the shade fireballs it makes it a lot harder and you'll have to improvise a bit

[trail helm]

hello everyone! i was wondering if there is a route that works on current patch and is truly glitchless? i want to get started on running this game casually but dont want to learn epogo and wcs and whatever other glitches nmg uses

[weary root]

most of the glitches nmg uses don't work on current patch anyway

you can just follow normal any% route

epogo on current patch only pogos the projectile not the explosion so you could do that but going around the normal way only loses 20 seconds

[trail helm]

okay, thanks!

[desert ibex]

Hey can someone help with my splits for a path of pain run? I just got the program and cant get it to work quite right

[weary root]

you can get premade splits from hksplitmaker.com

[desert ibex]

that worked thank you

[light path]

If you don’t want to learn epogo that’s totally understandable but if your issue is with glitches than the any% route is fine. The big “glitches” they do aren’t actually glitches, just sequence breaks. Like, shade skip is just pogoing your shade which is intended anyway

[trail helm]

yeah im fine with shade skip, acid skips and stuff that you could technically figure out on your own but just dislike wcs and other glitches of that caliber

[light path]

What’s wcs again sorry im rusty

[trail helm]

wall cling storage

[light path]

Ah

No that’s a glitch

[trail helm]

yep

[light path]

They only use it once or twice in the any% run at a few consistent spits

Spots *

It’s super hard to do most times so usually it’s only done in bulk in the TAS

[trail helm]

Yeah thats what ive heard

[vagrant warren]

WCS is only nmg on older patches. It is considered a major glitch on LP

[steady lynx]

<@&283547423706447872>

That was fast

[light path]

why mods ping

[weary root]

ban% speedrun

[light path]

CLUBPENGUIN?!?!

[steady lynx]

Sometimes I get bored and ping mods just so Zaliant gets a ping

||This is a joke if that wasn't obvious||

[light path]

sure...

thats how you get muted and kicked?

by spamming mods ping?

but o-k

[weary root]

spoiler tags truly invisible

[formal bough]

There were people offering free money, which Gusten knows the mods always want to be the first to take advantage of it

[light path]

FUCK THE PEOPLE WHO GLAZE THE MODS

[weary root]

Wan̷n̵a̶ b̵e̴come aͧ s̑p̄e᷄edrunneŗ?͔ ̮B͢uy̶ s̷h̸ade skips, fireball sk͡i͌p̋s︠,᷀ and wat͝c᷃h̏er knigh̷t̶s̴ on̴ bigtimesave.com

[light path]

https://tenor.com/view/zote-dance-gif-15748697441337528365

[coral shore]

true

[weary root]

hithon python

[frank fulcrum]

[coral shore]

hisog eisog

[neon spruce]

how do you achive the green path fireball skip

acheive

[weary root]

use quick cast not focus, to fireball
time your inputs, don't spam the button

[light path]

if you fail it you can also use the squit below you to pogo it

[light path]

[neon spruce]

Ik thats what ive been doing

[neon spruce]

Ok so dont spam

And one more question is 14:56 mantis claw a good time

[weary root]

for just starting speedrunning yeah that's great

[neon spruce]

Nice

[light path]

is 17:20 a good time too? my first ever speedrun

[neon spruce]

How do you downgrade to version 1.2.2.1

[weary root]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLH-aXtMsmPYq8ZvwV9G7s3uIz_6AlIygz

I would also recommend joining the speerunning server there's a lot of resources and helpful people there

link to it in the pins

[neon spruce]

That is quite a bit shorter than fireborn’s guides

What is the discord

[sturdy glade]

It's in pins

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1039743031043178606/pins2.png?ex=65b083a8&is=659e0ea8&hm=99e49a3bf5bf82b5411cfab9c1b9b6163246c36233a3d1ff982e4c5dbcc2cb4c&

[light path]

which speedrun are you trying to do

[sweet pier]

I beat my record lets go 🙂

(Normal gameplay)

[light path]

nice

glitchless?

[sweet pier]

Yes

[light path]

cool

whats the hardest part for you

[sweet pier]

But i lost like 13 min in a part

At the beggining

[light path]

for me its the acid skips and watcher knights

[sweet pier]

Hmm idk

Its not hard for me to kill the bosses and the areas arent too hard

[light path]

how much have you practiced

/done rones

runs*

[sweet pier]

Like 3 runs

[light path]

nice

i only did one attempt

[sweet pier]

My first run was 3:40

[light path]

it was like 4.5 hours cuz of watche rknights lol

[sweet pier]

Loo

Lol*

Well I gtg gl with your speedruns man

[sullen pollen]

What do you guys use to trigger the greenpath split in livesplit?

[neon spruce]

any% nmg

[neon spruce]

mine was 4:00.3

[weary root]

I recommend getting splits from hksplitmaker.com it has premade splits but is also way easier to customise them

[neon spruce]

4h 0m 3s

how do u do black egg split

[hollow spindle]

That's what we did but can't find a trigger in the autosplitter for it.

[weary root]

if you edit the splits on hksplitmaker it will insert the relevant autosplit for you

[hollow spindle]

Ooh I was not using the actual maker. I'll look at that, thanks!

[neon spruce]

this good?

i just need black egg and THK

can't find them

[sturdy glade]

I'm pretty sure there should be a download off of split maker to just get the splits

[thorn jasper]

black egg is "Chains Broken - Hollow Knight" and you don't need a split for thk because time automically ends. just make sure "end-triggering autosplit" is UNchecked

[neon spruce]

tysm

this good overall?

[hollow spindle]

It worked! I think I was using it on the wrong (current) patch when I chose the 1.2.2 from hksplitmaker thanks Eisog!

[charred thistle]

I would recommend adding subsplits. You can also add icons using hollow knight split creator. Just make sure to change splits to subsplits in your layout.

[neon spruce]

this is the finished product

[honest holly]

i think this is the new wr for low%

[steady lynx]

Got a video?

[honest holly]

no its a joke since its a bug with some mods i think and i was just playing with a friend

for some reason it said 0% percentage when i beated the hollow knight

[steady lynx]

Oh, yeah that happens sometimes with mods

[honest holly]

sha

[neon spruce]

hegale

[light path]

cuz killing thk isnt actually a percent

[steady lynx]

Do you think I through some course of events, would not be aware of that?

[wraith birch]

I speedruned hk any% for the first time earlier today and got 1h 59mins and 16s (in the screen at the end of the game) is that good?

[fresh sundial]

it is pretty good if you dont have much experience for example i would say I am experienced and I got a time of less then an hour

[storm whale]

man Why Uumuu has to be so weird, I beat the watcher kngihts second try because they are one of my favorite boss (they look really cool and got their patterns so they became fun) but now Im struggling with Uumu lol

10 tries already ruined my run

[sturdy glade]

Have you practiced the fight

[vestal canopy]

speaking of uumuu is when quirrel attacks rng or a specified amount of time

[steady lynx]

It's an amount of attacks from Uumuu

First cycle is optimally 3 attacks and then Quirrel breaks Uumuu, every cycle after that is normally 2 attacks, but can be 3 by RNG deciding that you lose time

If the stars align its possible to get 1 attack in cycle 2 and on, but it's so unlikely that we don't have any strategies prepared for that

[vestal canopy]

interesting

so does the tas use rng manipulation to always get the one attack or is that out of the tas's control?

or does the tas skip it

somehow

[steady lynx]

TAS just juggles an Ouma core to instakill Uumuu in cycle 1 from what I've seen

[vestal canopy]

oh alright

[steady lynx]

I am also not very well read on tasing so I don't know what limits they have

[vestal canopy]

the machine is unstoppable

you are not safe

[neon spruce]

ULTRAKILL reference?

[analog pawn]

TAS has a consistent start seed and then the inputs from there change the value. So if they get undesireable rng they go back and change things to try again. TAS does do rng manip for uumuu to get the fastest attacks for the one shot

[bronze storm]

Out of curiosity, what is considered to be the easiest speedrun category to get into?

[analog pawn]

Out of the main board categories it is probably any%

Some people say All Skills because the bosses are easier

[steady lynx]

4ms 1432+ NMG or KP IL Slower

[bronze storm]

In english pls

[hidden sundial]

4ms = Four mask shards

[grim iron]

he did speaks in english

[steady lynx]

Okay then

[bronze storm]

And kp il slower?

[hidden sundial]

I believe it's King's Pass individual level, not sure of what slower is meant to be

[steady lynx]

Four (the number between three and five) Mask shards (the in game collectible, which if you collect 4 of you gain an extra hit point) 1432+ (refers to the patches this subset of the category is ran on, ergo 1.4.3.2 or later) NMG (No Major Glitches, because there are Glitches that are considered major, which are banned in this ruleset)

Kp (Kings pass, the first area you enter upon creation of a new save file unless you pick Godseeker mode) IL (individual level, aka finishing just a set part of the game, in this case, the first room of the game) Slower (its just a funny name this specific category uses for 1432+ NMG, see above section for a description of that)

[bronze storm]

Oh ok ty

[torn prawn]

can the tas for path of pain be improved?

[wraith birch]

practicing acid skips

i just did the crossroads one for the first time

[steady lynx]

Probably

[bronze storm]

are the guides made by fireborn somewhat accurate or has the meta changed a lot since then?

[analog pawn]

Everything for setting up debug mod and such is quite different, lep has good guides on that. As for the actual gameplay the bosses are pretty much the same but some smaller changes to the route has happened. (Getting rafters seal instead of kings station seal and killing the 2 moss knights before hornet instead of vengefly king)

You can look at runs to see the differences there isn't a lot

the guides are still useful

[bronze storm]

ok ty

[obtuse niche]

My time for p1 is 5:46 with load times, am I any good?

[muted kelp]

If you’re including category extensions
I used to practice a bit of A1uba years back and it was fun

Probably not a very popular category anymore tho…

[steady lynx]

A1uba% NMG was the first of many categories that fell to the horrors of itemless Baldur being optimal

[muted kelp]

[steady lynx]

For people who haven't seen what's going on recently, this'll seem like foreshadowing

[muted kelp]

Is a1uba really reachable with just pogo dash?

I thought you needed fireball

[normal aspen]

yeah

[hidden sundial]

Pogo dash is doable, and worst case it wasn't, shade skips make it easier

[vernal zenith]

Hi, I'm new to this server, I am currently working on hitless, anypercent, nmg, with a goal time of 1 hour and 30 minutes, I was wondering if I could get some advice as for the best route to take for that?

[vagrant warren]

You might want to join the speedrun server in pins, they have a hitless channel there

[bronze storm]

What is A1uba

[muted kelp]

You know the glider enemies that appear twice in the game, once after the hornet fight and another above the entrance to white lady

[bronze storm]

Not sure

[muted kelp]

A1uba refers to killing the first enemy (after hornet) as fast as possible from game start and A2uba refers to killing the one above white lady

[bronze storm]

That thing thats above lake unn?

[muted kelp]

Yeah

[bronze storm]

Ye ok thats what i thought

[dark rock]

what am i doing wrong in my slope ball?

[vernal zenith]

Your getting to close to the edge of the overhang, you need to try just backing up a smidge

[dark rock]

so the hight was right and i just needed to back up just a bit?

[vernal zenith]

Correct

I personally thing that 3 fireballs would work better but I haven't tried them, I've only ever done the slope

[dark rock]

i tried the 3 fireballs buti could never manage to do it, on the other hand i only got once the full slope ball skip

[weary root]

3 fireballs is not enough

[vernal zenith]

For speed running any percent, i normally never get claw before cloak, because I always found it saved time in the long run

But still doing all the major time saves in Greenspan

Greenpath*

[steady lynx]

Yeah, Cloak first has always been considered faster

Some people find it harder though

[vernal zenith]

I would argue that some of the soft fall acid platforms in fungal are harder than most parts in greenpath

And like if you can't do the 3 fireball skips in greenpath you can always pogo the aspid

What's y'alls fastest time for anypercent nmg

[steady lynx]

Oh, I haven't ran that category, I think

Let me double check

[vernal zenith]

What categories do you run

[steady lynx]

Oh yeah, I suck at this game

[dark rock]

4:26 minutes, my source? the main menu timer of the run i did under 5 hours

[vernal zenith]

Oof

[dark rock]

i'm now learning the slope ball skip just to get fragile greed as early as possible to do my steelsoul run

[vernal zenith]

Nice, I just completed an under 5 hour, steel souls anypercent

And am now working on true ending speedruns

But path of pain speed runs have always been my favorite

[dark rock]

i want to do the 100% completion under 10 hours in steelsoul

[vernal zenith]

100%??????

Or 112%?

[dark rock]

achievements, that's why i'm learning speedrun strats

[vernal zenith]

Ah, you had me worried that you thought that there was only 100% in hollow knight

[dark rock]

nah, in my main save (250+ hours) i'm missing only p5 and a few things like the bindings but i alred have the 112%

also... any tips for the slope ball? in the meantime i only got it once

[steady lynx]

sorry, got busy with a run that was submitted wrong, I ran basically everything at some point

Except any% NMG, my submitted run in that was a 100% run that I forgot to ascend Seer in and submitted as any% as a joke

[vernal zenith]

They are hard but the reason that they are called slopeballs is because they are a vengeful spirit aim directly at one object that is slightly slanted, you need to get as much hight as possible and stay alittle away from the edge, you can really only do it at very particular points in the game

[vernal zenith]

Nice, my current time for nmg anypercent is, around 1:45 minutes, I can't look at a sorce rn sry I'll try to find it.

But you play on PC which can be better or worse in some ways

[steady lynx]

Oh, I had the any% records on consoles way back

[vernal zenith]

Yeah, I feel like all people that remotely have any clue as to what they are doing, play on console and then PC

Did you here about the cake theory for silksong

[steady lynx]

I saw some discussion in the fireb0rn circle about it, didn't pay too much attention to it

[vernal zenith]

Fireb0rns really good

It got disproven

https://youtu.be/mutqozaRtEI?si=jufPMUAUkGCrpPw8

Team cherry updated the news on silksong, the last we heard was that the game is real, and it will release

That was 2 days ago

[steady lynx]

That disproves my theory, oh well

[vernal zenith]

Your theory being the game is fake?

Turns out silksong is a retextured hollow knight

[analog pawn]

All Glitches

NMMS is more though

[vernal zenith]

Nmms?

I've heard of nmg

And mg

What's nmms

[wraith trellis]

No Main Menu Storage

[steady lynx]

Before 1.3 happened yeah

[wraith trellis]

So all glitches beside this one. I can't really give a more precise explanation since I'm not a glitched runner though

[sweet pier]

Im so fokin tired of the watcher knights, I cant speedrun because of them

[vagrant warren]

There are plenty of runs that don't even do watchers, or are very strong by the time they get there

[sweet pier]

Arent the watchers necessary to beat hk?

[vagrant warren]

Not all speedruns beat the game

[vernal zenith]

What's y'all's best path of pain time

[weary root]

Also every glitched run skips watchers

Except like 1xx% and all bosses where it's required

[steady lynx]

I like the WK fight in 100% TE NMMS

Two fluke casts

[sweet pier]

Dude I just realised how easy the knight watchers are

I was practicing with 5 nail damage instead of 7

9*

[vernal zenith]

Well, that would explain why you found them hard, but even so nail 0 watcher knights isn't hard, or that hard

[sweet pier]

Yeah for someone with speedruning experience

My last speedrun was 2:28

I want to do sub 1:00

[vernal zenith]

Nice my best is 49:96

49*

[normal aspen]

I mean nail0 watchers with any% loadout are definitely hard, it's the biggest roadblock for most people learning the run

[vernal zenith]

Yeah but one you have the attack pattern memorized, it's just executing it

[normal aspen]

That's less true for wk than like any other boss. The way two watchers attacks line up / the resulting positioning leads to infinitely more different scenarios than most bosses, and so a level of on the fly micro and macro decision making and reactions will always be required

[vernal zenith]

True, Ig i should stop putting personal things, I'm just really good at memorizing attack patterns and have memorized them for bosses like anyrad and ever watchers