speedrunning

[true palm]

and glitched low% te is like 2% (idk the number, its at least 2% but might be a bit more) and doesnt even get dgate or go to wp or anything

[stone mulch]

Why do I have to understand that in it’s entirety….

[icy falcon]

so there's realy no way huh😢

[steady lynx]

Maybe if you overflow the short number limit by dreamgating 2 billion times

[true palm]

that wouldnt even work

remember this is deficit of essence not total spent

so you would need to have gotten a billion essence first

[icy falcon]

do you have the code of when using dream gate it is almost deffinitly tas only but if the deficit is created before the essence is spend you might be able to use it to have the increased odds without spending

[steady lynx]

Any way to make it count one but not the other would almost certainly include a major glitch

In which case it'd be useless since nmms can just dupe roots

[true palm]

it is after

and even then it doesnt matter

if it creates a deficit before spending it you get the increased odd on an enemy dying get the essence which removes the deficit immediately

[stable quarry]

Tbh low% te 1mg could be fun just kill dupe bees wait that would still take a while

[thorn sundial]

Not all dream warriors contribute to the percentage, so a typical Xero dupe would be much faster

I stand corrected

[steady lynx]

What

[thorn sundial]

Nevermind that, statement retracted

[stable quarry]

In low% te nmms we could possibly dupe failed champion though

[coral shore]

so true extra% for flukenest

And dive for that matter

[steady lynx]

If you can somehow get to the top of the FK room with no movement and 6 copies of it sure

The hard part is getting 6 copies and somehow having the top half of the rooma accessible

[stable quarry]

details..

[rapid nest]

it would be easy if only you could reach the maggot from the dream wake up

but i think the only way of doing it is like 4 run killing rng loads and chained airwalk jumps

[vague phoenix]

challenge: beat hollow knight without using wayward compass (impossible)

[steady lynx]

Challenge: make an original joke (impossible)

[bleak condor]

is it fine to use current patch to speedrun or is it just not optimal?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, but NMG runs done on 1.4.3.2 or higher go on a separate board

[lofty flare]

its not optimal for the any% nmg category but there are specific categories for 1432+

and theres an any% nmg on that list

[steady lynx]

It's like

[lofty flare]

So you'll be timed in the same boat as other 1432/1.5 runners, that way no one in that board has an unfair patch advantage

[lofty flare]

tho 1432 has differences from 1.5

[bleak condor]

yeah and for any % nmg the best patch would be like 1.2.2.1 right?

[steady lynx]

Yeah 1221 is optimal, the patch split is because that patch is somewhat poorly optimized so not everyone can realistically run on it

Oh, 1221 is apparently also very annoying to actually get unless you're on steam, that's another reason for the split

[bleak condor]

yeah currently figuring out how to downpatch

[knotty vigil]

?tag steambetas

[river axle]

Make sure you have the correct game version for your mods.

• Modinstaller takes version 1.4.3.2 (and is no longer supported)
• Scarab takes version 1.5 (set beta to "None")
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283470827738103810/1024160413895639050/Untitled-1.png

[knotty vigil]

do this except set it to 1221

[steady lynx]

If you're on GOG or Microsoft store, tough

[bleak condor]

thanks

[stone mulch]

What is a deficit of essence even?

[true palm]

As in how much essence you've spent without receiving rng essence

How much your down on the total amount the game gives

[grim mist]

Guys i wanted ti ask something

Is any one know the game really well online?

[stable quarry]

How well are we talking?

[grim mist]

Like beated it and know the lore?

[stable quarry]

Beaten it countless times don't know lore though

[grim mist]

Okay i wanted ti ask

I am going to do pvp with a really skilled player know everything is there is a tip or something?

[stable quarry]

I don't know anything about pvp...

I have heard thorns are good

[grim mist]

Thanks any way for your time

I geuss i just hope i am better

[vernal tulip]

ishowspeed

[analog pawn]

I believe downdash dash slashes are supposed to be good in pvp

since it has longer range than a great slash

[delicate parrot]

could any1 please help me with the vs skip?

Idk how to time it right

[stuck raptor]

Which one

[thorn sundial]

You can walk further off the edge than you'd think, I would try without vs jumping later and later until you're familiar with the distance. Be sure to use Quick Cast instead of Focus (on keyboard, default is F). Honestly I just spam F once I get close enough to the ledge

[delicate parrot]

Thanks! Finally got it.

[delicate parrot]

the ledge where you first see Hornet.

[stuck raptor]

cast after the jump apex
https://youtu.be/yeiD3xcHXmM

Air stalls are primarily about gravity reset

This video shows how it affects distance

[stable quarry]

Gravity reset sounds like float imo. It's more like fallspeed reset

[rapid nest]

those both sound like the same thing

[timid ridge]

ummmmmm i did something

[stable quarry]

Dam killing a bench

[timid ridge]

also this is my PB!

[stable quarry]

Just fyi that is not allowed in the nmg ruleset, delayed interactions are cool though

[timid ridge]

ik!

but thanks for the reminder!

I was gonna start a speedrun today using that

[steady lynx]

Is it even used in any NMMS categories anymore

[timid ridge]

idk

but MMS is so broken XD

[stable quarry]

Yes anyone who are to lazy to learn the new methoud still uses them smh

[timid ridge]

also

I love fireball skips so much

actually

I just love skips in general

[steady lynx]

Yeah, it's why people run No Main Menu Storage

[stable quarry]

Shadeskips are great

[timid ridge]

ALSO

I learnt a new skip the other day

IT'S SO HARD THO

it's the dark room before Crystallized Mound

you'd normally need lantern for it

but I've learnt it without it!

[steady lynx]

Oh, the dark room

[timid ridge]

the name for the room is so weird

[stable quarry]

that's not a skip..

[timid ridge]

people call it "ddark dark room"

[timid ridge]

good point

idk what I'm on about

[stable quarry]

it's a little hard if you don't have dash though

[rapid nest]

how is it not a skip you normally need lantern to get past that area

[timid ridge]

yeah you need crystal dash to be able to do it without lantern

I think

[steady lynx]

I just call it Mines_07

[timid ridge]

or if you're a pro gamer

[rapid nest]

i mean you dont its possible to do completely itemless

[timid ridge]

but very difficult

[stuck raptor]

Doing it with just dash and dash master is so satisfying

[stable quarry]

no you don't the dash methoud is faster though a little harder and if you know the layout you can just jump trough normally

[timid ridge]

oh?

never knew that!

[stable quarry]

becase you don't..

[rapid nest]

ok so then what even is a skip

[timid ridge]

I almost posted an animation wip in here XD

oopsies

IT NEEDS TO GO IN #art-discussion

[stable quarry]

no comment

[timid ridge]

hmmmmm

well

I'd say it's an exploit used to reach areas that aren't usually supposed to be accessible at that time

[stuck raptor]

I'd say it's a skip

You're literally skipping an intended item use by virtue of your skill

[stable quarry]

this https://youtu.be/lXYvL4GQzNI?si=JpiOaIa_V6sRLOae

[rapid nest]

how is that a skip

[timid ridge]

Is that wall cling storage?

[stable quarry]

yeah your right that's just walljumping off of the air

[timid ridge]

I accidentally did that once

WHILE FALLING DOWN THE FLIPPIN ABYSS

[steady lynx]

Rosie needs to figure out how to get WCS so we can do cpeak route in any% NMMS

[rapid nest]

[timid ridge]

very off topic, but yk your pfp?

I did that once to Hornet

[stable quarry]

it's just a blind 3 consecative frame perfect inputs right ...

[timid ridge]

in Hall of Gods

[steady lynx]

Yeah, I've had it for like 4 years now

[timid ridge]

lol

I haven't even been here that long

I joined discord on 7 feb

[rapid nest]

just 2 i think

[timid ridge]

also I still can't do QGA

I've did it like 5-6 times

but it takes a lot of tries

A LOT

[steady lynx]

Me neither, it's why I don't run NMG

[rapid nest]

well i guess it is 3 depending on how you do it

[steady lynx]

Also that NMMS is more fun

For me

[stuck raptor]

It's only the hardest trick in the run. nbd

[stable quarry]

how do you do it in two?

[rapid nest]

you press right one frame after unclinging and then let go of it on the next frame

[lone pollen]

hello

[olive steeple]

Hey! I was just playing HK and found an out of bounds glitch. Is that something of interest I should post somewhere?

[steady lynx]

do you have a video of it, also how is it done

[olive steeple]

Yes I have the video

[lone pollen]

skip hollow cell ?

[olive steeple]

I dont know what that means, but I can post a link

[steady lynx]

Go ahead

[olive steeple]

https://youtu.be/r1cUzhjCc1A

I'm on current patch and ps5 if that is relevant

[steady lynx]

Elevator storage

[stuck raptor]

W elevator storage

Nice find. But is known glitch

[olive steeple]

Nice

[steady lynx]

Something very close to this is actually used in low% NMMS

Basically since you hazard respawned while standing on the elevator you kept the flag of being on it so the game keeps applying the movement of the elevator to the knight

This was patched in the latest PC version (1.5.78)

[olive steeple]

The knowledge of speedrunners is an endless ocean, whose depths always impresses

[stable quarry]

That elevator storage seems stronger than usual no?

[weary root]

Seems normal to me

[vestal reef]

I just tried my first speedrun, and got throught at 3 h, 33 min and 03 sec, unmodded and a lot of deaths at watcher knights. Is moding and downpathcing the way to go to pratice forward?

[stuck raptor]

Sure. Depends on what you want to run. There's multile patches you can run on the leaderboards for any% nmg

[vestal reef]

i see some recommend downpatching for the fall increase and lever skips, but is it fun to run current patch to?

[analog pawn]

I definitely find 1221 more fun but some people like LP

biggest reason to choose LP over 1221 is performance and some weird quirks 1221 has

[stuck raptor]

^^

[lofty flare]

lol

[round orchid]

i got a pb 1:02.55

any% nmg of course

[steady lynx]

A lot of people haven't gotten out of Kings pass by that time

[round orchid]

dang.. ty that made me feel good ngl

[warm nexus]

I have a bit of an ambitious goal

I want to get all 5 of these at the same time, same run, same radiance kill

no doing it in 5 hours then getting more

steel soul, 100%, sub 5 hours

anyone got a route or any pointers?

[ancient zealot]

it doesnt have to be rad. is that what you want though?

[warm nexus]

I have an idea of what I want to avoid (such as kingsoul)

[warm nexus]

I am certain

[warm nexus]

oh rad as in radiance lmao

right I need kingsoul for that nvm

[ancient zealot]

yeah you can just kill thk

[warm nexus]

hollow knight then doesn't make any difference to me

[ancient zealot]

bc you pro gamer

[warm nexus]

what if i did 112% lol

no way thats possible under 5 hours

[rapid nest]

true that would never have been done 70 times https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight?h=112_APB-no-major-glitches&x=xk9vrl6d-onvj96mn.5q870z6l

[warm nexus]

for the average player*

what does apb mean

[rapid nest]

all pantheon bosses

[warm nexus]

no shot im doing all 5 pantheons

[weary root]

basically just means that GPZ and p5 are required for the category

[warm nexus]

yeah no thanks

ill just do the regular pantheons

[weary root]

% breakdown is here if you wanna plan out which 12% to skip https://pastebin.com/56FFSH1G

[warm nexus]

I have a completion checklist

but I might do 112%

or is that just absurd

I'm not looking to spend 500 hours on this

[weary root]

I think you could do it in under 10 hours your first try (assuming you don't die to steel soul) but 5 is going to be hard without practice and a good route

[warm nexus]

I don't mind practicing

obviously

I just don't want to put in god knows how much time into this

[torn glacier]

Tbh I prefer running current patch just because it relies less on memorizing glitches and places to inventory drop and more on maneuvering around the world, but it’s a personal choice. Sorry for the late reply btw

[steady lynx]

I've read this like 3 times now and, what?

[torn glacier]

?

[rapid nest]

Tbh I prefer running current patch just because it relies less on memorizing glitches and places to inventory drop and more on maneuvering around the world, but it’s a personal choice. Sorry for the late reply btw

[knotty vigil]

Not true

[naive willow]

do i have to do speedrun strats to beat the game in 5h

[stone mulch]

no

just have a route prepared

[magic narwhal]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

You shouldn't need to, just follow this and be careful

[steady lynx]

It's weird having to actually explain a joke to people, but whatever
Their message says "1:02.55" which we all know means a minute, two seconds and 550 milliseconds
But in reality they probably meant an hour, two minutes and 55 seconds

[stable quarry]

Tbh I prefer running patch 1114 just because it relies more on memorizing glitches and places to noclip and less on maneuvering around the world, but it’s a personal choice. Sorry for the late reply btw
(NMMS)

[thorn sundial]

I managed in under two hours with little difficulty and no skips, five should be trivial

[knotty vigil]

Im dumb

[errant compass]

my record 1hr 4 min but i wanna break 1 hr so bad

[weary root]

You can do it!

[errant compass]

thx

but im crap cause i struggle on watcherknights

........

idk y

[steady lynx]

Could be because wk are the hardest part of the run for new runners

[stable quarry]

Just run glitched we skip watcher knights

[steady lynx]

Any% NMMS doesn't even go to spire anymore

[stable quarry]

Yes it does (deffinitly not in denial)

[rich kelp]

ok, This Count how a speedrun?

with bugs and Somethings more

[stable quarry]

Is this new game+ any% AG?

[formal bough]

is that a category

[stable quarry]

No..

[woven forge]

there is not ng+ in this game

[formal bough]

in terms of current categories, you can't be using a pre-existing save file with the MMS

[stable quarry]

There are some ng+ categories in this game..

[formal bough]

you have to count the construction of any files being used

also what is the video's aspect ratio why is it so small

[rich kelp]

bro I just found out that this doesn't count

the save duplicator does not count at the beginning

[stable quarry]

Pretty sure they just did a sq and loaded the file idk why they did mms in the start though..

[rich kelp]

Time to try again with even more things

[stable quarry]

What?

[rich kelp]

I selected my main save, then chose another one

[formal bough]

what you're doing is copying an existing file onto a new file with the new file loading or something, but you aren't allowed to use an existing file

you can only use files that you made in that speedrun

[rich kelp]

I understood

[formal bough]

if you want to do speedruns you can look at guides, I believe there's a guide for any% all glitches

[stable quarry]

I think apress made a improv one

[rapid nest]

i believe thats just the mobile exclusive mms thing

[knotty vigil]

Is there a tech list? I'm trying to do the green path elder baldur skip, do I need to be on a specific version or anything?

[formal bough]

if you mean the instant kill with one fireball, that doesn't work on latest patches

[knotty vigil]

Ah ok, thank you, I've been trying it for the past like 15 minutes😭

[errant compass]

anyone get any good tips on watcherknights

[weary root]

This video is great for any% nmg watchers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc-_Vg-Y8ME

[ripe ruin]

why do speedrunners not use all the vs on the baulder in ancestral mound?

@me when u reply btw cause imma sleeeep

[stuck raptor]

Like why not use 3 immediately?

Because the damage makes it flinch. And that wastes time

[ripe ruin]

onhhhh

ty

[stuck raptor]

So you deal damage when the flinch doesn't waste time

[rich marlin]

Does anyone know how to completely skip hornet 2

Like with a no clip glitch or somthing

[rapid nest]

[stable quarry]

I wonder if you could just map walk

[rapid nest]

the hornet 2 gate starts closed

[rich marlin]

what about a no clip glitch, im new to hollow knight glitches, so if there is one, please point me towards a viable yt vid or somthing

[weary root]

why do you want to skip hornet 2?

[remote thunder]

because h o r n e t

[weary root]

as hornet would say: git gud

[remote thunder]

Does she actually say that

Never saw it

But never attempted hornet 2 so don't spoiler

[remote thunder]

HK ON PHONE

[weary root]

probably shouldn't be in the speedrunning channel if you don't want spoilers

[brisk anvil]

its not in hornet 2 as well just saying

[torn glacier]

I don’t think you can unless you’re doing all glitches, in which you don’t do it

Those kinds of glitches are considered major usually

Oops I just realized how late I am lol

[stable quarry]

Pretty sure they don't care about following the nmg ruleset..

And it's not banned in nmms

[torn glacier]

Oh alr

[steady lynx]

Unless people specify that they want to run NMG we assume they're fine with doing all glitches

Including Thorn Warp

[stable quarry]

Usually I assume they don't want to downpatch though

[steady lynx]

Why not, it's so easy

Just like hacking a 3DS

[stable quarry]

For us that has done it 10+ times yeah, for a first timer getting 1007 might be annoying..

I have only hacked a wii

I should change it to for you who has done it 100+ times yeah ofc

[steady lynx]

You just write the thing into steam and you have 1315

Only 30 or so

[stable quarry]

Skill issue

[steady lynx]

There's a lot of useless patches, like 1578

[stable quarry]

And 1006

Are there any funny betas though

[steady lynx]

A few, I like the 1222 beta that fixes almost everything broken in 1221 but never got to be a full release

Tbf 1221 isn't even that broken

[stable quarry]

Doesn't it basically have everything exept, thornwarp, op map, broken dream nail and op flukes..

[steady lynx]

It also doesn't have the funny 1.3+ things

It's got bench storage, dgate noclip and shit though

[stable quarry]

Wdym 1.3+ has nothing that pre 1.3 doesn't have exept godhome

[steady lynx]

What about Hive Knight ||and lp room dupes||

[stable quarry]

Is hiveknight a glitch now?

[steady lynx]

Yeah

[stable quarry]

Lp dupes forgot about that..

[stable quarry]

Like how?

[steady lynx]

Sometimes he can just disable the music

[stable quarry]

Ok?

[steady lynx]

I'd not question the nonsense this game can pull

[stable quarry]

I look forward to when someone makes a mod that allows you to get all the glitches to one patch

Also gotta have an add input delay option to make 1578 playable because for some reason all mods get made for that version..

[steady lynx]

Also remove landn't so 1.5 is playable, and the thing where you can't just open inventory with text on screen, and the cutscenes, and dnail stuff, and just delete the patch tbh

[stable quarry]

What's wrong with dream gate?

Nail*

[steady lynx]

You can't buffer it at all in 1.4+

[stable quarry]

I don't see how that is a 1.5 issue then..

[steady lynx]

It should still be fixed

It's why 1.3 is easier for TE NMMS

[cyan girder]

Getting pretty close to beating my time on Switch any% NMG

1.) Fireball
2.) Mothwing
3.) Claw
4.) Dreamnail
5.) Lurien
6.) Crystal Heart
7.) Monomon
8.) Herrah
9.) THK and finish

||(Reupload because bad crop on timer)||

I should probably start recording so I can post to the leaderboard

[sacred thunder]

18%… that’s a more than what is usually got right ?

[rapid nest]

catcher, spore shroom, nail 1 maybe?

[potent comet]

I’m looking to get into speed running hollow knight just for fun (current patch)

not any%

I wanna learn the other category’s

Like steel soul and low%

Probably 100% as well

[potent comet]

Niceeee

[cyan girder]

Catcher and Spore Shroom, @rapid nest got it right. No nail 1

[vagrant warren]

I'd suggest joining the server in pins, there are lots of resources for all categories there

[stable quarry]

Don't sleep on misc cats they are fun

[potent comet]

What’s that?

[stable quarry]

Categories that don`t revolve around beating the game

[potent comet]

Oh

[stable quarry]

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes

[potent comet]

Like all skills or 4 mask shards?

[stable quarry]

all skills is a main category but 4ms is a misc backslash meme run

[potent comet]

A category I REALLY wanna get into is p5 boss order

[stable quarry]

That category is adviced to do blind the first time

I am working on 100% TE NMMS myself 🙂

[potent comet]

The most a wanna do is 100%

[potent comet]

TE = true ending but what is NMMMS?

[stable quarry]

No main menu storage

it`s a ruleset simmularly to NMG but it allows most glitches unlike NMG

[steady lynx]

Please beat my run

[potent comet]

I don’t wanna do glitches in my speedruns

[stable quarry]

Current goal is to get a run..

wait that was a ping?

[potent comet]

For some reason in my STELL SOUL run that was 112% (I died) I did the acid skip first try, then I I’d QGA

[stable quarry]

most people don`t for some reason I like them though..

[steady lynx]

Well, someone needs to stop me before I completely ruin NMMS

[stable quarry]

you mean before you figure out bullying?

[steady lynx]

I've been focusing on All Skills tbh

[stable quarry]

Also your execution will be kinda hard to top, though atleast I have my 0.4 timesave for then you open the dirthmouth elevator o.o

[coral shore]

bigtimesave.com paying off

[analog pawn]

maybe I should try to actually do runs of All Skills NMMS

make it less than 5 min of mistakes in wr at least

[stable quarry]

no you should run 4ms o.O

do I put in the effort to make setups for every down dash to be able to do dash storage or do I just copy Gusten

[steady lynx]

Fun thing, after the 1:38 I once timed using sharp shadow dash storages and shit just to later realise we don't get shade cloak until the very end of the run

[analog pawn]

Just gotta get shade cloak earlier

[coarse rivet]

does anyone have the non qga route?

for any% (current patch if that matters)

[stuck raptor]

Go down, through the wall by spore shroom

Drop into deepnest that way

[coarse rivet]

thank you 🙂

at what pb would qga be worth learning?

[rapid nest]

depends

it saves 40 seconds over deepnest(or 20 if you do spore shroom)

[coarse rivet]

whats the spore shrrom version?

[stuck raptor]

Worth learning, any pb

But not "necessary" until probably sub 40 minutes

[rapid nest]

on 1432 spore shroom does a ton of damage to thk, so you get spore shroom on the way to deepnest and equip it at black egg temple bench

[rapid nest]

with the existance of ismas id honestly say its just never worth on lp

[thorn sundial]

Is it worthwhile to submit a run that beats my PB by two seconds and doesn't change my position on the leaderboard?

[coral shore]

i feel like ismas is a bigget step from qga than qga is from spore shroom

[rapid nest]

yeah but the point is theres never a time where qga is worth bothering with

[cyan girder]

It's been about a year or two of running, but I finally achieved my goal of a sub 50 minute file time on Switch any% NMG
File Time: 49m 07s
RTA: 52m 16s

[shy ibex]

Where can I find ComSoB split times (specifically for any% nmg)

[verbal stag]

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1ATsmvT-kyST_l-y1wTq1WXnQHZgshw3b

(pinned in the any% channel in the speedrunning server)

[shy ibex]

Thank you :)

[mossy sapphire]

i'm trying to make autosplit work but when i enter on a new save the timer is set 0.00 forever (trying to use game time) How can i fix this?

[vagrant warren]

If you're making your own splits try hksplitmaker instead, if you still have trouble join the server in pins & see the livesplit troubleshooting checklist pinned in the tech support channel

[mossy sapphire]

i found out that the problem is the Game Time mode, the livesplit isn't counting the time. how could i fix it?

[rapid nest]

run livesplit as admin

[mossy sapphire]

already doing it, but still nothing

[stable quarry]

Make sure you have auto splits

[mossy sapphire]

i have AutoSplits activated

[stable quarry]

Do you have splits in it?

Could you send some pictures?

[mossy sapphire]

from vengeful spirit to THK

[rapid nest]

LiveSplit Troubleshooting Checklist:

• If you're using a file from hksplitmaker, close and reopen the split file
• Right click -> Compare Against -> make sure Game Time is checked instead of Real Time
• Right click -> Edit Splits -> Ensure the autosplitter is Activated (the button itself should say "Deactivate" since pressing it changes between the two)
• Right click -> Edit Splits -> In **Settings **(next to Activate/Deactivate) ensure that the Ordered Splits box is checked, and make sure the autosplit triggers are still there. If they are missing, you'll have to add them back manually or download fresh splits from hksplitmaker
• Only open LiveSplit after HK is open
• Ensure that you haven't changed the name of your game's executable (should be hollow_knight.exe) when downpatching or making a separate install, for example
• Try it out on a different patch (i.e. current patch instead of 1221). If it works, try reinstalling the patch it's not working on using Steam betas.

If none of these work in isolation, you may wanna start from the beginning with a new split file and check them all as you go.

Streams that show LiveSplit over the game are almost always doing so via their recording software and don't actually see it that way on their own screen. However, if you need the LiveSplit window over your own game, reference this post: #822831192150638643 message

[rapid nest]

can you press the settings button and send a screenshot of that

[mossy sapphire]

they're up there

[rapid nest]

oh you dont have splits lol

[mossy sapphire]

oh

now i got it

[stable quarry]

First thing I said lol

[mossy sapphire]

i'm feeling dumb

[rapid nest]

use https://hksplitmaker.com/

[mossy sapphire]

ok i'll make it again

[stable quarry]

Not sure why that puts it as 0.00 though instead of just running and never splitting

[mossy sapphire]

finally the time is counting, tyvm 🙂

[plucky sage]

Does anyone have any speed run tips? I really wanna try something

[weary root]

Are you wanting to learn a full run or just interested in learning some tricks/skips?

[plucky sage]

I know a few tricks/skips, but I really want to try a full run

It just feels really long to me, my first casual playthrough took me 94 hours before getting TE

[weary root]

Cool I'd recommend joining the speedrunning server in the pins, there's a bunch of resources there to help you get started

[plucky sage]

Ok, thanks!

[midnight gull]

This was for the achievement, but it’s a much better time time than I expected.

[lilac sentinel]

Amazing!

[thorn sundial]

Decided to trim the map to just what an any% run sees (disclaimer I'm using an old route for relics)

[arctic orbit]

never did i think i'd get to see the day that vk route starts being called old route

[steady lynx]

Eridan

Rafters

[wheat birch]

does anyone know of a tutorial for all glitches run?

[coral shore]

https://youtu.be/fkJ7TI4d0EQ

[wheat birch]

thank you!

[arctic orbit]

i know i know

but like

feels weird to think of vk route as outdated

[stable quarry]

Hello Eridan AGAG?

Me about to ping you because my patience is about 30 sec

[arctic orbit]

lmao

Hi ekko sorry not rn I already have plans for the evening

I haven't opened hk in 3 weeks 🥴

[arctic orbit]

wow ekko did you really forget that I love pings

[stable quarry]

Well you where in the chat literally less than 5 minnutes ago so there was no need

[arctic orbit]

True

[stable quarry]

Oh hi

[chrome lava]

Im on 1.2.2.1 any% NMG and every time i beat hornet and get dash, i quit out to go back to ancestral grove or whatever its called, but once im there it literally will not let me get off the bench no atter what. Ive reset my run 3 times now, I dont know what the problem could be. Please help!

also ping me if you can help

[arctic plinth]

So idk if this has already been found, but using the bench warp at a different elevation teleports you to the bench but keeps the elevation you were currently at. Using this i was able to clip into blue lake when the entrance was dark, but haven't been able to replicate it
(bench warp as in slashing and holding up left to store it)

its on whatever the current patch is for windows on steam

[coral shore]

what you call "bench warp" is generally called "delayed interaction on a bench" or smth along those lines (bench di, literally anything that conveys that its delayed interaction performed on a bench, not really a name), the glitch itself is "delayed interaction".
And yeah you can get into the transition from below its tight and I would imagine rng*

but also good job on finding this and thanks for sharing

[coral shore]

its strange that it wont let you get off a bench no matter what
I know that during wake up animations 1221 expects you to press default binds for nail and jump to wake up, that might be the issue here tho I dont think benches have that issue

[chrome lava]

What should I test?

[coral shore]

try pressing arrows, x, c and see if those wake you up

[rapid nest]

you need to clear registry, its a common issue

[chrome lava]

I have

[chrome lava]

What does that mean

[rapid nest]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides/jlten scroll down until you get to the section on deleting windows registry

[chrome lava]

Okay, just that step?

[chrome lava]

Do I also have to do the following steps

[rapid nest]

no

[chrome lava]

Alright thank you very much!

[wheat current]

||Cat speed-run any % glitch-less 0:34, world record, three gold medals and a pat on the back!!||

[arctic orbit]

huge

[vocal belfry]

Is there any speedrun meme category where it is optimal but not required to use 2 save files?

Excluding Any% with glitches

[steady lynx]

That'd require some extremely specific category requirements

[lofty flare]

It'd be funny tho

[stable quarry]

Elegy% ag

[lofty flare]

TE ag imo

[steady lynx]

All Elderbug Dialogue uses 3 saves, but that's since its required

[lofty flare]

actually wait wouldn't you still have to do dream bosses for that

bc you don't get awoken dreamnail on a godseeker file iirc

wait no you still get void heart

and i think thk can be dnailed with regular dnail

[stable quarry]

Technically you optimally play on 2 saves but you could deffinitly do it on one

[thorn sundial]

All Achievements requires at least two playthroughs for various reasons, but if you want to keep the grimmchild instead of only getting it and deleting the save for carefree melody, I guess that's two saves

[steel willow]

how do you do the mantis pogo in mantis village

[past swallow]

All achievements isn’t a meme category, but you do use two save files

[steady lynx]

It's like borderline meme category

[steel willow]

just realized i can probably just fireball over there

[weary root]

the problem here is that unless you're doing the all glitches thing where you get to keep all your abilities, starting a new file is very slow cause now you have to go around and pick up all the abilities again. So it only ever happens when it's required to have another save file

the other issue is that categories like All Charms Notches for example require you to have all the notches at the same time

[remote thunder]

Though how does that save glitch work

you just click a save and an empty one super fast??

[weary root]

This is pretty outdated in a bunch of ways but it gets the general gist
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/812633331

nearly 3 years old

[lofty flare]

I don't need soul so would it be faster to save sly before or after dying

for TE TAS

im just gonna do it before

[analog pawn]

Can't you do after and get three hits for firebell

Isn't that fastest?

[lofty flare]

I don't have fireball

[analog pawn]

Ah

[lofty flare]

and I think it would be faster i think to dmg tank 2 times on the way and die immediatly after

bc im overcharmed

[analog pawn]

So you just get shade soul later then

[lofty flare]

yep

overcharming here saves a bit of time on the death

otherwise I would overcharm after

the gruz mother fight is clean af tho

[analog pawn]

But yeah then it should be fastest to die after

[lofty flare]

after what

overcharming?

[analog pawn]

Rescuing sly

[lofty flare]

oh okay yeah thats what I did

im not sure if this is far enough right

it probably is

[analog pawn]

I feel like that spawns in gruz mom arena

[lofty flare]

lets find out

[analog pawn]

If I remember where it is you have to die

[lofty flare]

yeah

dw I just camera zoomed out lol

[analog pawn]

You can die just left of where the door starts on the right hut in the background

iirc

[lofty flare]

2 secs

well thats unfortunate

I can die off the other one

[analog pawn]

I think it was further right than I thought even, confused myself now

[lofty flare]

hold on it might be faster to go after dying

nvm jarlyk was confused

[analog pawn]

ok after testing it is at like the middle of the door that you can die

[lofty flare]

I have bad husk spawns after sly so I die quite far to the right but thats fine

[arctic creek]

Guys I'm using fireborns tutorial for getting the 5hr speedrun

With how many levers crystal peaks has it there a way to get to the ddark section quicker than going all the way to the top and around?

Because on the map there is but heres a ton of lever

Nvm I used an interactive map

I'm good now

[vagrant warren]

You may have already discovered this, but if you skip going around the top section you'll be missing picking up crystal dash. Which you're going to have trouble getting to ddark without unless you're proficient with fireball skips

[foggy sky]

hello, i was wondering how does people with controllers have the button configuration? and if any can help me with fireball skips? i'm kinda new to gaming in general and hk has me obsessed, i am trying to start to speedrun it and i could use some advices🙏

[stable quarry]

For fireball skips you can use that dpad overwrides joystick so you just hold right tap left on dpad, fireball let go of any direction fireball hold left again

Also you want to fire ball just after the peak of your jump

And the jump needs to be somewhat close to the edge. If you jump early then you could most likely make it by adding a fireball

[foggy sky]

so it would be right tap dpad, let go, fireball, left tap dpad, let go, fireball?

[stable quarry]

You fireball while holding dpad left, you let go to avoid moving to the right or turning to the left bofore the next fireball

[arctic creek]

I got speedrun 2!

[stuck raptor]

[brisk anvil]

Tips for watcher knights pls

[vagrant warren]

Practice a lot. This vid has some basics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc-_Vg-Y8ME

[stable quarry]

Join the pinned server send practice clips, listen to feedback practice for a couple days repeat

[arctic creek]

Ok I'm like on 60/100% completion with probably around 5 hours

Obviously the percebts are gonna get harder as I go on but I'm doing good so far

[next lagoon]

Any tips for this skip with cdash ? Ive been struggling a hell lot with it

[stable quarry]

60/100% what patch are you playing on ?

[stable quarry]

What patch?

[next lagoon]

Latest

[stable quarry]

https://youtu.be/8Q6y47oMfoQ

Just do that

[next lagoon]

What do you pogo on after the dash ?

[stable quarry]

I jump after the dash

This is not nmg btw, in case you you care about that

[next lagoon]

I guess thats a way, tho I would rather have tips about the cdash version of that skip.
Even if the tip is "get gud there is no tip"

[vagrant warren]

just walk off the edge of the platform & cling with cdash as soon as you touch the wall. cdash across & jump out

[next lagoon]

Yeah I know that much, tho I struggle with the cling with cdash as soon as I touch the wall

Its very inconsistent

And im trying to make it not that

[stable quarry]

Oh, mb I read it as cdash less skip

[vagrant warren]

it should be very consisten, it's just learning the timing

[next lagoon]

So no tip, get gud

Got it thanks

[stable quarry]

If you dunk in acid your probably charging cdash to early

[next lagoon]

Imma keep sending myself to my death for a few hours until I get it done

[vagrant warren]

I mean, you didn't say you already knew that strat, so sorry for not being a mindreader I guess?

[next lagoon]

I ain't blaming ya of anything

But yes I should had precised it

I was really just wondering about if they were a way to make it "consistent" other than relying on muscle memory and lots of practice

Im fine with it

[stable quarry]

Like you can't actually charge cdash asap after tuching the wall because you don't have enough contact with the wall iirc

[next lagoon]

I just need for it to click with me

[stable quarry]

Send some clips so we can see imo, the timing is really leanient by speedrunning standards

[next lagoon]

Im not looking into speedrunning more than that, like im just planning on learning the Any% NMG for the latest patch, practice it and call it a day

But yes imma get some clips if that can help

[stable quarry]

I would say that your likely to early raiter than to late. From personal experience with failing that trick

[next lagoon]

https://youtu.be/7XtqT2Uac_Y?si=B7OnudKXdtAQf5es&t=1710

Ive been mainly following that one, so just walking off the platform

And cdash as soon as I reach the wall, I got it to work a few time already but very rarely

[stable quarry]

Ehm I ment of you doing it silly

[next lagoon]

Yes yes

But im not really doing anything more than this

I walk off the platform and sploof

[stable quarry]

That is the standard yes, some people do the dash under the plat which is the flex strat

[stable quarry]

You don't have ismas right?

Yes sploof sounds like you have ismas imo

[next lagoon]

I do not

Otherwise I would had just use my tiny bug legs and arms

And would had past through it without bothering

Instead of bothering with YT, can't I just send the mp4 file here ?

[stable quarry]

I would reccomend finding a bigger wall and slowly sliding down by tapping cdash to get a feel for how far down you can be. In the video you linked they do it really far up

[stable quarry]

That is fine yeah

I usually only post on yt if it's to big to post on discord

[next lagoon]

Ive been trying to use the visuals to get my timing more consistent, like trying to press cdash based on some visual clues

Not much success yet

[stable quarry]

You do have claw right?

[next lagoon]

I do.

I have Dash, Claw, Cdash

And Vengeful Spirit, nothing else

Just done it

I think I forgot the "slide" part of the claw a bit too much and pressed cdash way too early

[stable quarry]

You could try practicing from the ledge above Idk if that would make a difference but

[next lagoon]

Imma just practice on that same wall

Thanks for your assistance

[stable quarry]

Np

[stable quarry]

Also about this you can actually get the cdash where you cdash and hit the roof and dunk in acid.. not fun

[next lagoon]

Yeah, happened a few time

If you too high it happen I guess

[stable quarry]

If you do it at the like first possible frame or something

Yeah

[stable quarry]

What is your end goal atm?

[next lagoon]

Im not quite sure, I just want to finish learning the route and then practice it.
If I can smh finish the game in an hour or even two, I be satisfied

Then I will probably work on something more grand, but for a first time speedrunning a game seriously, I think thats fine enough

[stable quarry]

Gl, I beleve in your ability achive sub hour

[next lagoon]

Thanks random guy who don't really know much about my ability but trust me regardless

[stable quarry]

Lol

[arctic creek]

60/100 is just the amount I need for the achivement

[stable quarry]

Should be playing on 1028 imo where that is the max percentage

[arctic creek]

But no

[thorn sundial]

If it helps, here's some of the progress I've made for speedrunning:
Vanilla route with King's Brand and Shade Cloak: sub 2 hours
Learned acid skips: sub 1 hour
Got a lucky run with good Watchers/Uumuu and started learning optimal dash patterns and inventory drops: sub 50
Learned fireball skips, mantis pogo, wall cling storage, various early controls: sub 40
All of this with subtle improvements to movement and boss fights throughout

[wide nova]

Maybe not the fastest but technically my first speedrun 😋👍

[next lagoon]

I might honestly go for the King's Brand and Shade Cloak route instead of acid skips for now.
Ive been getting kind of better with them but its still not good in the slightest.
I assume you need to use The King Station Stag (Old one) to get to Kingdom Edge, then you do Hornet (Ive checked for the Wingless skip)
Do you get to the Ancient Bassin from the City of Tear ?

[next lagoon]

Wait can you get to the Lighthouse wingless ?

[mossy brook]

You can get to everywhere wingless

110% wingless speedrun sounds fun

[next lagoon]

Yeah I just tested and It was just a minor skill issue

[weary root]

only thing you need wings for is p5 I think

[mossy brook]

Can't you shrogo your way up?

[weary root]

think about it :p

[mossy brook]

I have thought about it

I am so smart

[weary root]

[knotty vigil]

When i do c dash acid skips i always die after i get through spikes and then walljump on the other wall

I cant walljump that fast and always slide into acid

[steady lynx]

Just float tbh

I think the only annoying part of max% wingless should be the grub in basin, but it's easy enough

[sacred thunder]

There is actually a fireball pogo up to it, which isn’t too cancerous, a whole lot less than the other method which requires the most rng shade skip (afaik)

Though I admit I did liberal uses of dreamgate to get up to it

[stable quarry]

That stallball is horrible unless you use the setup

[vagrant valley]

anyone able to help with a livesplit problem?

wanting to do an all achievements run. have livesplit installed and splits imported. the autosplitter is also activated, but whenever i start a new save file, the speedrun timer doesnt start automatically which presumably i think it should. i know the timer is working because I can start it manually and the timer will freeze during loading screens etc. i feel like i've tried everything, so any help would be appreciated

[stable quarry]

make sure strat triggered is not checked

[vagrant valley]

yeah the start-triggering box is unchecked :/

i've tried running as administrator but no luck either

do i need to enable anything in steam? or is that a silly question? lol

[stable quarry]

Join the pinned server and go trough this list #822831192150638643 message

[vagrant valley]

cheers

[thorn sundial]

I think fireb0rn made a video on livesplit as well, that's what I used

[sacred thunder]

Ehhh… yeah, but it’s a very easy to learn set up

[thorn sundial]

Don't you just love doing a timesave wrong and end up warping from the trapped bench back to archives because you quit out too soon

[stable quarry]

You just gotta wait untill you see the save icon

[thorn sundial]

good to know

[stable quarry]

The save icon appears when you hit the ground iirc

[onyx spruce]

im officially a hollow knight gamer now
cut it close tho

[hasty fulcrum]

Niice

[swift bridge]

What’s a good way to speed run hollow knight

Cuz I want the under 5 hours badge

[verbal stag]

theres a guide for the 5 hr achievement in the pinned messages

[swift bridge]

Do@i@need king@soul

[verbal stag]

no

[swift bridge]

For getting ending?

I know I have to get dreamers

[verbal stag]

you just get the regular hollow knight ending

[swift bridge]

If I get it under 5 hours then I will@get 3 badges

[swift bridge]

J never got that

[arctic creek]

I completed the speedrun 100 percent achivement!

10 hours 32 minutes and 21 seconds

Thank goodness it wasn't 112 percent

I mean I probably could've done it but I don't want to get all the grubs lol

[knotty vigil]

guys

it have some shade skip to get monarch wings without crytal heart?

im tring to do a 2 hour speedrun

but fr

i think crytal heart is fast to get

[lofty flare]

Why get wings for THK ending

Also yeah cdash isn’t rly a time loss at all

And if ur on cp you can just stallball to wings

Or be a chad and wcs

Who needs nmg anyway, rmg is clearly the better ruleset

[acoustic gale]

for sure

I sure do love difficult wcs setups

[lofty flare]

Rose did a corner wcs there

It’s quite easy

[acoustic gale]

o I just mean rmg in general

[sacred thunder]

That "just" is questionable

That skip is quite precise

[lofty flare]

I found that with shamans it was quite easy

[sacred thunder]

But yeah the tldr is don’t get wings

[acoustic gale]

well tbf that is one of the easier wcs

[sacred thunder]

Oh i did only try it shamanless

[acoustic gale]

true

[lofty flare]

MoP helped and tbh I couldn’t do it consistently anymore bc this was a few months ago

But it only took like 5 minutes of attempts to find a setup

[acoustic gale]

it's not the most difficult thing shamanless either

I used to do it 4/5 times when doing gpz%

[lofty flare]

A lot of the wcs humans do is pretty easy, tho someone did a rafters cling cling and also there’s the issue of archives wcs

Usually they just do corner

Which, even on top corners, isn’t too bad

[acoustic gale]

isnt den pretty bad

and archives

[lofty flare]

Rmg is completely different

I’ve never heard of Den wcs but I’ll find a clip after my class ends

[acoustic gale]

ye ik u can do a wcs to get in the roof hole

[lofty flare]

That’s probably a cling cling

Which is t-ft garbage and incredibly bull shit

Anyway gtg

[stable quarry]

For den wcs you have the shoice between a blind roof wcs or cling cling or wiggle

I could see it being not too bad if someone finds a good setup for the top corner wcs

[lofty flare]

Roof wcs as in upper corner?

Blind corner is much easier than cling cling

And wiggle isn’t viable for rly any human purposes

[stable quarry]

Have you done cling cling?

I haven't so idk if it's that much harder

[lofty flare]

No but ik it’s t-ft garbage

And I can do upper corner pretty consistently

With the fireball setup

[stable quarry]

Anyways you only have 3 attempts at top corner, and eash time you miss you have to gather soul for the devout kill

[stable quarry]

Try den skip then imo, being blind eiter makes a huge difference or I was rusty when I tried it last

[lofty flare]

Will do when I have my pc next

Isn’t the one for salubra blind too?

Both of them, actually

[stable quarry]

Is it really? So you miss it like 50% if the time with perfect execution?

[stable quarry]

No

[lofty flare]

I’ve never rly messed with it, you can ask @surreal stone

[stable quarry]

For den one the entire knight is covered

And like one walljump away from the top

[lofty flare]

Gtg

[stable quarry]

Ok

[compact ravine]

i got speedrun 2 (it was easier than i thought)

[stable quarry]

now get speedrun 3 imo (sub 3 hours)

[compact ravine]

is there a speedrun 3 achievement?

if there is i might try it i got 3hours 20 mins on my first try

[stable quarry]

no, but speedrun 2 was previously sub 3 hours before tc nerfed it

[compact ravine]

oh ok

[stable quarry]

Imo speedrun 1 is 10 hours speedrun 2 is 5 hours, speedrun 3 is 3 hours, speedrun 4 is 1 hour, speedrun 5 is 40 minnutes

[compact ravine]

how do you get the speedrunner role (just curious)

[sacred thunder]

You don’t

[stable quarry]

This server isn't really for speedrunning anymore but if you want the speedrunner role in the speedrunning server then you just need a verified run and ask for it in #roles-and-commands tab

[compact ravine]

oh-WAIT THERE IS A SPEEDRUNNING SERVER is it official

[stable quarry]

it is in the pins

[compact ravine]

ok thanks

[stable quarry]

np

[compact ravine]

oh and i have been wondering,why do speedrunners use the bird room for essence and not the baby flukes just outside the flukemarm fight (sorry if i got the names wrong)

aren't they faster to kill

[stable quarry]

birds is outdates now adays because killing bees is way faster

though the reason for killing birds over fluke things probably has something to do with not having dive..

[compact ravine]

like there is 20 you can kill in one shot with a room to refre-

[compact ravine]

oh.

[surreal stone]

Last i tried it was just as tft dependent as wiggle wcs

Aka, anything above roughly 18.6 wont let you get wcs

The threshold varies from 18.6-18.7 or and bit more depending on the situation

I havent been able to figure out wth it is that causes this little variations

But yeah, bad luck can theoretically only account for around 15% of cases assuming of tfts are as likely

Which prob depends on your pc

(not necessarily on specs)

So yeah, cling cling is actually pretty consistent

[lofty flare]

I’m still not exactly sure what cling cling is

Is it what I used here?

Bc if it is, it’s quite similar to wiggle

CC kept saying it was t-ft hell

Hold on the videos gotta load lol

[knotty vigil]

Anyone

I have a challenge

We have to beat Hollow knight multiplayer without using VC

And no in game chat

Or chat in general

And you can only look at the map once you enter a new area

Only once tho

For etch area

[stuck raptor]

Define "beat hollow knight multiplayer"

[knotty vigil]

Getting any ending

Any ending with any complication persentage

[steady lynx]

Just have one player go afk while the other one beats the game

[stuck raptor]

So a single player speedrun

Got it

[knotty vigil]

This is a challenge for those who want a extra thing

[knotty vigil]

To beat the challenge both players need to have beaten the final boss

They both need to do something

[steady lynx]

This is a speedrun chat

[stable quarry]

Dam I can only do one quickmap storage per area

[stuck raptor]

So two individual speedrunners playing the game alone

Ez

[steady lynx]

This is my life anyway

[knotty vigil]

If one beats the game without the other the run fails

The pathing can be any path

But both players need to be in a room at least a few times

[stable quarry]

Impossible got it

[stuck raptor]

Moving goalposts is my favorite. Lol

[stable quarry]

Should just be hk multiplayer but you can't get claw or something

[knotty vigil]

If you want we can make this challenge rules and shit

[stuck raptor]

Respectfully, I don't think this idea was fully thought through. Especially since hkmp does not sync enemies, so basically you'd just be 2 people playing the game alone but at the same time

[knotty vigil]

This is the point

You have to make sure the other player can be in a room with you

At the end

Or else you fail

[stuck raptor]

So a speed run race. But the leader just waits at the end

[stable quarry]

Sounds like something fun to do but not a challenge imo

[knotty vigil]

This challenge is to test how good two players can be tougher

[stable quarry]

Then just do the standard 2 players 1 controller challenge imo

[knotty vigil]

The thing is this is with rabdomizer

Randomizer*

[steady lynx]

So get dreamgate, dupe Monomon and then kill THK with an explosion, but with 2 people

[stuck raptor]

Ah, so we move the goalposts again

[knotty vigil]

Ok I'm gonna make the challenge rules and everything

[stuck raptor]

So it's just normal itemsync or multiworld play, but in silence.

Sounds just objectively worse than doing it with friends normally

[knotty vigil]

This is the hollow knight multiplayer vessel challenge

Rules :

1. no communication like the vessels
2. 1 quickmap per etch area
3. the game needs to be beaten by both players in the same final room getting the same ending
4. No death
5. Skips are allowed if the other player can do the skip
6. No solo runs both players need to be in the same area to save descide the next area to go by planing in atvance
7. No duplication both players need to collect different items

Finally you are allowed to buy items but not duplicate any item including geo

[steady lynx]

How do rules 1 and 6 work together at all

[knotty vigil]

Simple

You and your co player need to both do the pathing together

You need to plan everything in advance

And both players need to be in similar room only if they need to save

This challenge is made for fun

You can remove rules depending on if you want to change it to be your challenge

For any inconveniences and anything in general DM me and ask a question

Any questions

[frosty flower]

Who do you play with

[knotty vigil]

Myself

I just made the challenge

I didn't say I can beat it

[stable quarry]

I would remove 1, 2, 6 and how does 7 even work? If player 1 gets claw can I not get claw?

[knotty vigil]

The item sync

When one player gets the item the other gets it as well

For example you can get a nother dash giving you both shadow dash

[prime cosmos]

So its a mp itemsync but youre mute

[prime cosmos]

That is not how itemsync works

Last i checked

[knotty vigil]

I meant this to be played in randomizer

[prime cosmos]

(I need to get updated on these mods fr)

[knotty vigil]

If you get two of the same item in randomizer you get the upgraded version

[prime cosmos]

So if it is a rando how are you supposed to know where the other one is going to

Like ok we do this route before start but what if they just dont get the items to access x area

[knotty vigil]

There are multiple factors

This is why the challenge is hard

Without communication you need to plan out a route that can give you both a ending

[prime cosmos]

Yes but its like kinda, impossible, to accurately guess the exact route from a random seed

[knotty vigil]

That's why it's hard because you have to be planning every move before the run

But you can remove any mods

But you cannot add dbug and benchwarp

[prime cosmos]

I dont think i understand you that well cause uh benchwarp IS required to prevent softlocks in rando and you literally cannot predict what checks are gonna be what unless you already played through the seed before

[knotty vigil]

That's why it's hard

But I am allowing the removal of randomizer if you truly believe you cannot do it

[prime cosmos]

So basically, you two play and if yall cannot get into the route yall planned then get fucked try again?

[knotty vigil]

No really you can pause and make a new route

[prime cosmos]

So you CAN communicate

[knotty vigil]

You are allowed to do that only 3 times

[knotty vigil]

It you are selflocked

[prime cosmos]

So you wanna make rng the videogame

[knotty vigil]

Yes

Cause there's nothing more to do

[prime cosmos]

Meh imo but okay have fun

[knotty vigil]

Wanna do it with me

[prime cosmos]

Nah id prefer a normal itesync but with hard settings

Dont have wifi eitherways

[knotty vigil]

Do you think this challenge is challenging

[prime cosmos]

I think its rng not challenging ngl sorry

[knotty vigil]

That's the point

It's hard because at this point this is one of the last things you can't beat

[prime cosmos]

Cant beat doesnt mean hard though

Same as better doesnt mean good or worse bad

Anyrad 3 isnt usually beaten by normal players cause its very challenging and taks a lot of skill (and some rng too) but this you cannot beat because if you just get the wrong thing you gotta do it again and it doesnt depend on your skills or abilities in the game

[steady lynx]

It's challenging in the same way as competitive snakes and ladders is challenging

[knotty vigil]

It's a challenge to have fun talking and planning out a thing with the people you love

[stuck raptor]

I'd much rather just do itemsync or multiworld normally. That's way more fun and engaging and not just arbitrarily worse and more frustrating.

Plus, talking with friends while playing is the most enjoyable part.

[analog pawn]

What you get determines what you can do so it's impossible to plan out a route in a rando

This could be more interesting if you did a plando or something

[stable quarry]

No mostly because it doesn't work and you can choose away any and all restrictions from what your saying

[knotty vigil]

I'm just trying to not make it hellish

[vagrant warren]

Anything intended to be somehow cooperative that doesn't allow communication sounds hellish to me.

[thorn sundial]

I agree with needing communication, but I do think it would be interesting to speedrun with shared items/geo. One person could sell relics and go to Peak while the other deals with Watchers and Lurian, could lead to some interesting routing

[thorn sundial]

Is there any run yet that finds literally all of HK's content? Every godhome boss, every relic, Mr. Mushroom, Millibelle, the Eternal Ordeal, Hunter's mark, etc?

[stable quarry]

we don't have a run that goes past all achivements in details

[warm nexus]

am I missing out on % if I leave zote to die?

since it locks hidden dreams content iirc

[opaque beacon]

No

Also that sounds more appropriate for #hk-help

[warm nexus]

I'm trying to plan a route for speedrunning so it fits here

ig both

[opaque beacon]

Oh, yeah nvm that’s fair

[warm nexus]

100% sub 5 hrs in steel soul is what im tryna do

[opaque beacon]

That depends on how good you are at surviving with very few charms and abilities

[warm nexus]

more specifically these 5 all at the same time

[warm nexus]

I can put practice into it but it's about routing right now

there is not a single 100% route that is up to date

aside from like 3 hr long youtube videos

[opaque beacon]

Hmm that’s tough cuz that rules out shade skips

[warm nexus]

well how much time is that really gonna save me

it's not like it's any%

on the detours where I would have to go w/out shade skips I could get extra percent

[opaque beacon]

True, still 100% within 5 hours is not the easiest thing let alone in steel soul

[knotty vigil]

Yea

I would recommend just killing things and trying to get all the item type charms

[coral shore]

0 seconds I believe, don't know of any 1xx route that does shade skip

[knotty vigil]

Flowey pfp

Orbit

Do you like undertale

[opaque beacon]

Yes

[knotty vigil]

That is something we have in common

[warm nexus]

wdym

or rather what do you mean by "item type charms"

[opaque beacon]

If I were you I would modify the 106% route, that seems most effective

[pearl jackal]

I have a question. Is it possible to upload speedrun to speedrun.com and at the same time be with the Customknight mod? And in general, is it possible to use even such mods, or do they need to be disabled?

[thorn sundial]

Per the category rules, no modifications are allowed. You aren't permitted even to have the modding API installed

[stable quarry]

You would need to submit to the modeed board then

[stable quarry]

You could deffinitly refferance the 107% route and just skip the 7 slowest/ hardest percentage

[warm nexus]

107 or 106?

[stable quarry]

107 is 1432+ and 106 is 1221 the patch your plan on playing on is the one you should refferance

[warm nexus]

1432 probably

I don't go back to old versions

yeah 1432

well not 1432 but ykwim

also why 107/106 and not 100?

what's special about the extra percentage

[stable quarry]

Yeah then refferance 107 if you wan't to make an optimal 100% route

106 is max% on 1221, 107 is max% 1432 -godhome

[warm nexus]

where can I find said run?

[stable quarry]

You could also refferance 100% TE which is played on 1118

[warm nexus]

nah I'll do latest version

backdating feels cheap imo

[warm nexus]

^

[stable quarry]

Speedrun leaderboard: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight?h=107_AB-No_Major_Glitches&x=vdo5xe6k-ql6165x8.jq6w78nl

Route notes:
https://pastebin.com/WxVp46sq

[warm nexus]

oh It's on a pastebin

[stable quarry]

You can generally find route notes for most categories on hksplitmaker

[warm nexus]

what's that?

I know livesplit is the timer people use so it comes from that but what is that specifically

[stable quarry]

hksplitmaker.com

[warm nexus]

ah

[stable quarry]

https://hksplitmaker.com/

There

[warm nexus]

"at least one of each of the bosses outside of Godhome, including MMC, GPZ, NKG, and the Radiance"

from the pastebin

gpz?

so does letting zote die take from my percentage or not I'm so confused lol

or not take sorry

lock me out of %

[stable quarry]

Pretty sure they do GPZ purely for essence

So if you skip assend seer % then it should not matter at all

[warm nexus]

that's probably just 1% no

[stable quarry]

Yes

[warm nexus]

yeah so not worth it

it's like 2100 essence or something absurd

[stable quarry]

2400 iirc

[warm nexus]

right

2100 is gate maybe

[stable quarry]

900 is gate..

[warm nexus]

its been a while

[stable quarry]

1800 is awaken iirc

[warm nexus]

I forget

[warm nexus]

i mean killing some of the dreamers/dream variants give % do they not?

[stable quarry]

Only the warriors

Dream bosses don't give%

[knotty vigil]

Any hellish speedrun ideas

[stable quarry]

Radiant%

[knotty vigil]

That's just beating all of the game but fast

[warm nexus]

xero markoth marmu etc?

[stable quarry]

With that I would be reffering to beating any boss radiant in godhome from a new overworld file. Not to hellish though

[warm nexus]

blindfolded

[stable quarry]

Hitless 112% is way worse or low% GE

[stable quarry]

Yes

[warm nexus]

that's fine

get dreamnail early I assume

so they're in the way

how much 'free time' do I have

like is it mandatory to rush all the time (and die a lot)

or can I take it at a normal faster pace

[stable quarry]

The only 1xx category I run is 100% TE NMMS so I would not know how 107% NMG goes

[warm nexus]

true ending and what does nmms stand for?

[stable quarry]

No main menu storage

[warm nexus]

ah alr

well how long does that typically take

since 100% is what I need really

if anything I could just use your route

[stable quarry]

Wr is like 2hours and 30 minuttes so you have some extra time for sure but it's deffinitly not as free as any% in sub 5

[knotty vigil]

That's not hellish that's impossible

[warm nexus]

mypetcactus did it so it's not impossible

[knotty vigil]

True

[warm nexus]

well yes 100% steel soul in 5 hrs

[warm nexus]

you'd be the 2nd person if you did

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stable quarry]

Like less than 2 hours. I have not finished a run yet though

[knotty vigil]

Well I don't have a petcactus

[warm nexus]

that gives me 3 hours of leeway

[stable quarry]

And I though you didn't want to downpatch, 100% TE NMMS is ran on 1114

[knotty vigil]

Nor do I wanna be the first or second person to do something

I just wanna have fun

[stable quarry]

I want 4ms AG wr

[warm nexus]

https://gardening.org/non-toxic-cacti-for-homes-with-pets/

i didnt even read the title

thats good enough though it works

[warm nexus]

I don't know what that means lol

like I know 1114 means the version but what's the difference that makes, othe than the content in the game

unless that's the main different

just now I'm realizing how little I know about this game actually, outside of just a regular content playthrough

[stable quarry]

Mainly flukedupes a glitch that only exsists on 1114 and previus patches

[warm nexus]

flukeswarm?