speedrunning

[rapid nest]

you only need like 2 shrogos with ismas so you'd only need 1 or 2 more without it

oh wait this is still the low% convo, shriek and 3 vessels might be a bit too many %

[analog pawn]

Yeah, in a vacuum it's doable though

[coral shore]

Exactly same

[weary root]

actually now I think about it old 1028 any% AG route probably out competes it no?

[lofty flare]

?tag livesplit maybe

[sick raven]

No tag livesplit found.

[lofty flare]

Fuck

With dash I think it’s possible tho

Oh and shrogo right

I’m talking about general possibility not low% here, lowest possible % skipping claw is probably quite high

[analog pawn]

The message I answered to was clawless, cdashless and tearless. But that is also possible with shrogo and extra soul vessels like rose wrote

[supple lagoon]

wcs (unban pls)

but nmg yeah no way

[analog pawn]

you don't want unrestricted wcs in nmg, trust me

[supple lagoon]

but it is based

[verbal stag]

no

[analog pawn]

this is horrible

[coral shore]

Optimally (tm) current low% ag is faster than old one

Optimally does involve rextremely rng thk quickkill as well as ssoob

[lofty flare]

My TAS software does

I don’t.

[steady lynx]

We tried making a ruleset called RMG once that allowed unrestricted WCS and some other fun stuff

It turned out that any% RMG had to do a wiggle WCS up to the hole in beasts den optimally

So two people ran it and then we agreed it sucks

[lofty flare]

4 frame perfect inputs in a row lmao

[lofty flare]

Yes?

Sry that took me long I was in class

Exactly 2 minutes?

But I do that every time I start a save file

[analog pawn]

something impressive would be going above two min

in a genuine attempt

[acoustic gale]

Speedrun 100% KP

All geo rocks

[lofty flare]

Sounds tough

[rapid nest]

hmm isnt there a background object near the top of kp, glitched only category

[tired pumice]

Win all your battles

[lime arrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824372681512190004/1097825916383658074/PoP_R1.mp4

[coral shore]

Pika is so good at hk tbh

[vast fiber]

I'm gonna start my 100% speedrun and speedrun 1 and 2 achievement run soon. Anybody got tips?

[verbal stag]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This channel is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[vast fiber]

thanks

[lofty flare]

Jo

We still give them routes

A speedrunning achievement, is still speedrunning imo, so I help in both channels with it.

[lofty flare]

WIP from the TAS discord looked a bit different, but just as fun.

[verbal stag]

yes I gave them a route lol

[lofty flare]

Fair enough

[final sphinx]

eny one got tips for learning fireball skips

also i need a rout eny one got one

[stuck raptor]

use quick cast

and use debug for practice

[final sphinx]

thanks so much

[stable quarry]

Dam Imagine having to wait for 1 minute 44 secound and 980 millisecounds

[sinful eagle]

How is my guy dashing multiple times mid-air?

[cosmic perch]

Your guy is just that good

<@&283547423706447872>

[cosmic perch]

But seriously it's wcs (wall cling storage)

[arctic orbit]

just do the three fb skip smh

[arctic orbit]

speaking of this

@stable quarry we should run it sometime again

[stable quarry]

Optimally you do cling cling because then you can two cycle Uumuu

[stable quarry]

How about we have a practice section in vc first

I need to work on consistency on everything and practice endgame

I also need to time a bunch of stuff before I run it for wr

[arctic orbit]

true true we should do that

[arctic orbit]

woah you’re gonna run it for WR?

[arctic orbit]

especially me since i still haven’t gotten the goofy crossroads wcs skip yet

[stable quarry]

That is the plan

Unless I start hating it to much

[steady lynx]

You either get record on the first day or you start hating it too much

[coral shore]

I do wonder if shade soul is optimal for rmg

[analog pawn]

Is DI or elevator storage allowed?

[coral shore]

DI is yeah

[analog pawn]

Then it shouldn't take too long to get shade soul

[weary root]

gwonkee and sylvi concluded that shade soul was slower

[steady lynx]

Just allow elevator clipping in RMG

It's close enough to not a glitch

[next jungle]

WOOOOOO

I FEEL LIKE A GOD

bet

just gotta get faster til i can reasonably do it in one second

segment

[stable quarry]

You better use livesplit if your on pc

[torn talon]

Hey guys
I am trying to speedrun and I dont know how to beat the Watcher Knights
Can someone give me a hint?

[stable quarry]

https://youtu.be/Oc-_Vg-Y8ME

[torn talon]

I try that
thanks

[stable quarry]

How do I do the jump?

Hey I got it

[analog pawn]

Nice

[stable quarry]

Still not totally sure how to jump out of the pause but just press esc then jump fast?

[analog pawn]

You jump on the first physics frame after you unpause

[stable quarry]

not tas version plis

[stable quarry]

So asap

[analog pawn]

yes

[stable quarry]

Deffinitly not doing this in runs lol

In itself it's not bad but add badfloat on top and

[analog pawn]

I'm definitely doing it for ABBG

[stable quarry]

ABBG?

[analog pawn]

All bosses base game

you can't do claw first because of zote

[stable quarry]

I just can't see myself doing badfloat into air jump into superslide into another superslide

Atchally even worse badfloat into air jump into jump slides

[analog pawn]

for all categories but any% NMMS you can do the setup for bad float at least

[stable quarry]

Tbh setupless isn't thaaat bad

[analog pawn]

I think it's horrible

I really dislike setupless

[stable quarry]

I feel like it's still mostly just getting badfloat which is the problem

[steady lynx]

Try setup

[analog pawn]

setup is much nicer

[stable quarry]

I know, this is not a fair comparison because I have practiced setup way more

Also could have gotten lucky idk

But setup deffinitly makes sence for most categories but I deffinitly feel like the timing is the biggest factor

[analog pawn]

That's about the amount of tries I expect to get it within with setup

[stable quarry]

dam expecting to be -2 hp

[analog pawn]

well one reset

I need to practice it more

[steady lynx]

With setup I expect like every 2-3 attempts

[analog pawn]

I am quite confident at airwalk jumps now ~~just took like 7 hours of doing them this week ~~

[steady lynx]

Ever since Krythom told me to just line up with the wall

[analog pawn]

oh yeah that helps a lot

I did some yesterday and got like 1/4 or 1/3

[stable quarry]

I kinda want to do setupless for a decent a1uba time (old route)

[analog pawn]

what is the old route again?

[stable quarry]

Old route is rekky route. Aka roomdupe to cliffs, fake hardsave die, walk to hornet

[analog pawn]

and new route is airwalk jump and superslide through cliffs?

[stable quarry]

New route is dash first yeah

I just refuse to do that because old route is cooler

[analog pawn]

Old route is much cooler

[stable quarry]

Can we all agree to never do new route

[analog pawn]

idk I have been thinking about it before

don't think I will though

[stable quarry]

If you do new route you better hit all the slides

[acoustic gale]

How precise are slides

[stable quarry]

The amount of slides are the same across routes though

[analog pawn]

slides are graphics frame perfect

[steady lynx]

Depends

[acoustic gale]

So it's easier on lower fps?

[analog pawn]

yes

[stable quarry]

I though they where 1-3 graphics frames depending on tft

[acoustic gale]

What's a good fps cap for glitched?

[stable quarry]

120 is used a lot

[analog pawn]

yeah this is the more correct answer

then there is like an even more in depth answer for how they work

[steady lynx]

We use 120 a lot since it leaves stuff like superslides possible and still has the game being playable

[stable quarry]

Yeah 60fps 1028

[analog pawn]

yeah, 60 fps with 1028 input lag is not fun

[steady lynx]

Might as well be playing on switch then

[stable quarry]

You'd probably miss slides more too because of lag lol

Rn I get like 1/3 of my slides which is really good for me

feels like might be less because of bias..

[steady lynx]

I've not ran anything where slides is optimal yet

hundo gets away due to needing Fury and geo

[stable quarry]

I should really try a 1xx category at some point. It seems like people really like them

[steady lynx]

hundo NMMS is amazing honestly

Got unrecorded rekky today

[acoustic gale]

Idk how they are glitched but 107 is great

[stable quarry]

Wait so you run 107 and pop? No gap there lol

[acoustic gale]

Yeah pretty much the same thing

[steady lynx]

All glitched 1xx's are good except 112 AG

Mostly since 112 AG isn't 112

[acoustic gale]

What's a good beginner glitched category?

[stable quarry]

TE imo

Nmms

[acoustic gale]

Does it have a lot of oob

[steady lynx]

Elegy% NMMS

If you want something short that uses a lot of glitches there's always All Bosses

[stable quarry]

Also any% has a good guide

[coral shore]

not exactly tft. Just the fact that it's impossible to have your fps at perfect multiples of 50 constantly

[acoustic gale]

I was looking more for something short with less glitches

[stable quarry]

Explain more plis

[analog pawn]

any% NMMS dupeless with claw first then

[coral shore]

More glitches is better for learning puproses If I have to be honest. Like I could recommend low% ag but it doesn't setup you for any other category really

[stable quarry]

Yeah TE is short and features mostly just float and noclip dupes

[steady lynx]

Any% NMMS teaches all the basics tbh

[coral shore]

what specifically do you not understand

[acoustic gale]

Te nmms or ag?

[coral shore]

nmms
ag also works tbh

but ekko was speaking about nmms

[steady lynx]

NMMSON

[acoustic gale]

Ok

[stable quarry]

I feel like in glitches it's more about learning how to learn glitches raiter than knowing them all because the categories are so different it's crasy, exiting and scary

[steady lynx]

It's like

A lot

[analog pawn]

Well, most 1028 categories have similar tricks and the 1.4+ runs are also similar

[steady lynx]

The two categories that use 1114 are very similar

[analog pawn]

in 1028 the tricks are used in different ways but it's the same underlying concepts

[steady lynx]

Press the map button

[coral shore]

What I'm saying is that there isn't a point in doing fury% nmms just because it's short and does only one glitch.
If you do category like any% nmms, you get a good diversity of glitches, understanding of how to do them and so on. While if you do low% ag, you learn how to do stuff with mms and that's it. Categories with many glitches simply create better basics

[steady lynx]

You see, by using the map we know where we are going, so we can go faster

[stable quarry]

1.4 press map button sq

[analog pawn]

that's why I recommend any% NMMS, TE is also good but I am biased

[stable quarry]

Could we pin that some where plis

[coral shore]

Yeah any nmms or te are great for this

[acoustic gale]

Any% nmms was hard to learn because I couldnt get minidebug working and I kept falling into the ground with oob

[coral shore]

te maybe better in terms of the fact that it's usual patch + you don't get panished for falling oob early on

(you definitely do later but at least there is some downtime)

[analog pawn]

you do get punished for softlocking with noclip instead

[steady lynx]

Ask Nerf, or like... Simo?

[stable quarry]

You have to sq if you mess up a dupe though and there are three that you have to memorize

[analog pawn]

most of the early oobs in any% have very safe strats if you want as well

[stable quarry]

So ping @final elk

[steady lynx]

That better be KC

[acoustic gale]

Also mantis pogo

[stable quarry]

It is

[analog pawn]

mantis pogo is just hard without dash

it's how it is

[stable quarry]

Mantis pogo is just a cruel joke

[steady lynx]

It's why you do dash first

so mantis pogo is easier

[acoustic gale]

Without minidebug I would fail and then sq to dirtmouth

[analog pawn]

that's rough yeah

you could do TE NMMS, or try to get help with minidebug

depending on what category you wanna do

[acoustic gale]

The function keys work for the most part and then no other key binds work

[analog pawn]

have you tried rebinding them?

[acoustic gale]

I havent

[stable quarry]

Have you tried asking pseudorandom#9039 for help

[analog pawn]

asking pseudo is a good idea

[stable quarry]

That's what I do

[acoustic gale]

My attempt at any nmms was mostly a halfhearted 4am attempt

[analog pawn]

that's what most people do, one day I will get someone else to run it again

[steady lynx]

That's 90% of my runs

[steady lynx]

I would, but hundo and AB

[analog pawn]

I will do ABBG for now, but I plan to go back and try and go for a time I'm happy with in any% in summer or something

[acoustic gale]

I wanna try agag sometime cause that seems fun but idk how I would go about learning it

[steady lynx]

hundo has so much potential for improvement but it's stuck on 1114 due to it being the only patch with good flukes and dgate

[analog pawn]

ask in discord and get in call with someone, I think that's how most people have learnt AGAG

[stable quarry]

If you wanna learn AGAG then learning TE NMMS is a good start imo

[acoustic gale]

What patch is te nmms?

[steady lynx]

1.3+

[analog pawn]

optimally 1424

[steady lynx]

I think rekky is even on 1424 now

[stable quarry]

Just run it on 1.5 smh

[steady lynx]

But ekkoet

[analog pawn]

yeah sawa ran on 1424

[steady lynx]

What if they enjoy being able to downdash

[analog pawn]

true

[stable quarry]

Then run on 1432

Doesn't 1424 come with infinite loads and crap?

[acoustic gale]

So it doesnt matter 1.3+?

[steady lynx]

1424 is like that one patch that's optimal for a lot of things but only like 3 people consider running on it

[stable quarry]

Pretty much

[analog pawn]

I softlock more on 1.5 from accidental sidedashes

[coral shore]

At that point agag is just a better way to learn agag

[stable quarry]

Shh

[steady lynx]

What if

All Skills NMMS

[stable quarry]

Nmms? All skills is like the only good ag run

[acoustic gale]

🔴

[steady lynx]

ASTEAG?

[stable quarry]

Besides abc

[coral shore]

wtf red circle

🟢

[steady lynx]

🟠

[stable quarry]

🎪

[coral shore]

discordmod_circle tbh

[steady lynx]

I don't even have that color here

[stable quarry]

You gotta be kidding me

[acoustic gale]

🟥

[steady lynx]

#sk-discussion

[stable quarry]

Sometimes I think I am too lazy

[stable quarry]

I should atchally do that, though first I need to learn how to get dreamgate noclip anywhere else than the one place in TE

[steady lynx]

You just place the dgate in water and dgate

ezpz

[stable quarry]

Can you not get it from acid too?

[steady lynx]

If you have Isma's

It's why AB picks up Ismas

[stable quarry]

Also how do I get under acid on 1.5?

[steady lynx]

At least Hidden Dreams

[steady lynx]

Inventory drop and close inventory right before hitting the acid

Or have invuln and place it there before getting Ismas

[stable quarry]

@stable quarry remember it this time

[final elk]

Pings here are new

[stable quarry]

Pretty sure I have asked it before

[steady lynx]

Honestly surprised you have the nickname here as well

[final elk]

Me too

Must’ve changed it a while back

[stable quarry]

I scared Gusten 👀

Apparently pinging the other nerf would not be so good

Hey Nerfed#9460 is also here

In this discord

I though most people left it

[coral shore]

get transition storage and downdash while in the water/acid

[steady lynx]

Fun thing

Most acid in the game just determines if it should be a hazard or water when the room loads

Just checks if you have Isma's in your inventory

You can try this by using debug to give yourself Isma's in any room with acid except Isma's room

[coral shore]

Fun thing
Ismas acid doesn't close your inv if you inv drop onto it on lp, so you can get free inv storage

[final elk]

Classic TC

[coral shore]

This does make perfect sense tho

[stable quarry]

All skills nmg runners you can get free mg

[steady lynx]

Free ticket to AS NMMS board

[stable quarry]

AS nmms does have a route right. I never looked into that and now #asg is good morning chat

[lime arrow]

Totally normal pop room2
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/835695753686024236/1098333714984992888/PoP_R2.mp4

[steady lynx]

It's a bit outdated but yeah it has a route

[analog pawn]

I couldn't come up with that many route changes for 1028

I won't consider 1.3+

[steady lynx]

Good, 1.3+ isn't real

It can't hurt us

[lofty flare]

Simply a better gaming chair.

And hours upon hours of work, good on you Pika

[mossy whale]

i want to start speedrunning where should i begin

btw there are so many good emotes

im on switch

[steady lynx]

You can begin by clicking the pins button and joining the pinned server

[mossy whale]

where is pin button

im new to discord

@steady lynx where pins\

[steady lynx]

Top right corner

?pins

[sick raven]

Check the pinned messages for more information - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187137504393035776/823796522751623168/unknown.png

[mossy whale]

thats not there for me i just see a magnifying glass

?pins

[sick raven]

Check the pinned messages for more information - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187137504393035776/823796522751623168/unknown.png

[mossy whale]

@steady lynx i dont see it

[steady lynx]

Are you on mobile?

[mossy whale]

im on acer computer from google play store

sorry accidently tried to friend you sorry if this comes off as rude im just saying i misclicked

@steady lynx hello

am i being annoying

[steady lynx]

Yeah I have no idea where the pin is for you

[mossy whale]

oh is there something else i can do

[steady lynx]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight

Should be an invite link on there

Or a small blue discord logo to click

[mossy whale]

ok im there

[steady lynx]

Can you find the button?

[mossy whale]

yep im on speedrun.com

no actually i just read your message and realized you wanted me to find an invite im just on speedrun.com

got it

[knotty vigil]

Hi, how I can learn the speedrun and glitches fast ?

[analog pawn]

glitches 👀

[subtle coral]

Any tips how to do speedrun tricks at the newest version?

[lofty flare]

1.4.3.2?

Well it depends on the category

[subtle coral]

I think so,did not look at my version

Like i have pure vanilla hollow knight game

[lofty flare]

https://www.YouTube.com https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight

[lofty flare]

On what device?

[subtle coral]

PC

[lofty flare]

And what category do you plan to run?

[subtle coral]

Well i think on NMG(No Major Glitches)

[knotty vigil]

Like inventory drop on switch

[steady lynx]

You could just tell them to join the pinned server

[lofty flare]

Not rly a glitch per say, but it’s frame perfect, just get good at timing or do a dash drop.

[lofty flare]

I forgot about that part sorry Gusten

[lofty flare]

No no, I mean like Any%, TrueEnding, IsmasRoute, etc, NMG is whats called a subcategory, like any% NMG and any% AG (all glitches)

[analog pawn]

I would say inv dropping is a glitch, don't think uncapped fall speed and stuff is intended

[lofty flare]

Eh fair enough.

[subtle coral]

Well Any% NMG

[lofty flare]

Alright, you’ll have to switch patch, Any% is ran on either 1.2.2.1 or 1.4.3.2, PCs are by default the 1.5 beta

[analog pawn]

I recommend joining the pinned server, is a lot of resources there

[steady lynx]

The pinned server also has a pets chat

[lofty flare]

That is true.

[steady lynx]

Lots of cute animals

[wraith trellis]

Isn't that 1.4.3.2+? The category has a 1.5 wr on src

[lofty flare]

Fuck ur right

[lofty flare]

Anyway many of the 1432 Strats work on current patch, some of the 1.2.2.1 ones are exclusive to older patches, for faster times, 1221 is better, that’s why there are separate categories, if you just wanna learn some of the Strats, that’s fine, if you want to competitively do it, I would join the pinned server and get some practice mods.

[subtle coral]

So like,1.4.3.2 is like harder to do the glitches,correct me of I'm wrong

[steady lynx]

Some are harder, some are impossible

[subtle coral]

Okay thanks, I'll take that in mind

[steady lynx]

Lever skips were removed between 1221 and 1432 so you can't do them

Inventory drops are a tiny bit more precise but easy enough on later patches

For some reason TC removed the ability to skip the first half of the dreamer cutscenes in 1.3 so 1432+ NMG just takes an extra 40 seconds total there

[spiral bloom]

In recent speedruns I’ve noticed people doing a fireball stag station skip. Pay the toll > leave>enter and fireball the bell> leave > re enter and the stag is waiting. Anyone know how much faster this is than just doing the quick toll trick and waiting for the stag?

[stable quarry]

That is called firebell, the other options are lookdown and wiggle.
You can also do wiggle firebell which is even faster I beleve.

Idk the timedifference but it goes slowest to fastest

Lookdown, wiggle, firebell, wiggle firebell

[arctic orbit]

combine all three and get lookdown wiggle firebell

[spiral bloom]

Interesting. I only knew about the look down. Going to compare runs after work and find out how much faster it is. I don’t think I’ve seen the wiggle

Mk I just timed then and I still don’t understand why you would firebell. It’s 3 seconds closer. Here’s a comparison to the new wr

[verbal stag]

are you looking at loadless time?

[spiral bloom]

Oh man I think I just got it lol. Because the timer stops during room transitions. I only run on console

😆

[verbal stag]

yea

[spiral bloom]

Again, I love this community, you peeps are always awesome

[supple lagoon]

[stable quarry]

Join the pinned discord that's where real discussion happens

For console wiggle is most likely the best. Just hold away from the toll with stick and mash dpad the other way

[spiral bloom]

Joined!

[next jungle]

I AM GOD

[azure flame]

is 2 hrs 34 min a good time for a first speedrun?

[stuck raptor]

sure

[azure flame]

yey

[lofty flare]

Indeed

[knotty vigil]

I just got 1:58:03 for my second any% speedrun is that ok speed?

[static compass]

What's the hardest category

[knotty vigil]

low% ? (well it isnt hard it just takes a stupid amount of time)

[static compass]

Yea if I had to guess I'd say hitless

Idk if that's official tho

[knotty vigil]

wait is that an actual category 💀

[static compass]

I've seen alot of ppl talk about just doing hitless so I imagine it's a category

[vagrant warren]

Hitless runs are not on src

[static compass]

Oh

[vagrant warren]

They have their own site

[knotty vigil]

k

[static compass]

I feel like I would have to be insane to do hitless speedruns

Cause so many skips are risky

[vagrant warren]

Also low% isn't the long run, that's low% TE which is a separate category

[knotty vigil]

o k

oh yeah thats what i was thinking of low% te

[static compass]

Cause u need essence

[knotty vigil]

g r i n d

[static compass]

B e e s

[knotty vigil]

y e s

i would never be able to just sit down and do the same thing for about 30 - 40 hours lol

[static compass]

I would fall asleep

[knotty vigil]

lol

[knotty vigil]

wait people sleep?

[static compass]

Lol

Skurry is insane for doing the run multiple times

[knotty vigil]

yea

[static compass]

But

Gotta get the content

[knotty vigil]

y e s

cuz there is obviously nothing else to do in life

[spiral bloom]

Any tips for inventory dropping on current patch?

[vagrant warren]

Dint worry about it too much if you're just getting started, and keep practicing as you go. It's just quite precise.

[stable quarry]

Most of them save less than a secound anyway

[spiral bloom]

My time is down to 50min so I’m trying to get all the optimizations down

I’m not good enough for the explosion pogo lol

[stable quarry]

What I do when trying to see where to improve is comparing golds and pb to comsob. That way I know where the big timesave is

[stable quarry]

With that time I would think you still died atleast once.. so that is uhally like 1-2 minnutes to save by just not dying

[spiral bloom]

Oh yeah, I always have a stupid death or time loss somewhere. But I’m slowly working on putting it all together.

[stable quarry]

GL, any% nmg or any% 1432+ nmg?

[spiral bloom]

Any 1432. Ps5

[bitter mauve]

i wanna ask whether zvyper broke the wr by Yihou as 1'57'68'?

[lofty flare]

What.

Bro use : please

And just check https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight

@bitter mauve

[bitter mauve]

ty, and i mean whether theres a not verified record by zvyper?

i just heard it from somewhere

[lofty flare]

Potentially

[bitter mauve]

oh i see

tysm

cuz, u know, Yihou seems to quit from pop sr

so im so curious about this

[lofty flare]

Oh

Then I believe that’s under the category extensions

[ivory bridge]

Has anyone seen this glitch before? all mobs god doubled and he was fighting 4 watcher knights at once when the second one spawned lol
https://clips.twitch.tv/MiniatureOptimisticGrasshopperPeteZarollTie-BabRkCr0lcUGGFvJ

[digital jewel]

yep it's called a dupe

[ivory bridge]

do you know if there's there any science behind what causes it?

[digital jewel]

yeah it's pretty well understood but not by me lol

I just know how to do things not why they work

[ivory bridge]

gotcha, thank you!

[formal bough]

I believe that dupe is caused by that transistion being close to the ground enabling you to get control because of ?? and then jumping a second time to enter the transistion twice, getting you the room twice. On 1221 dream transistions and death removes dupes but yeah

advanced dupe usage includes killing a dreamer 3 times on current patch using a different method to initialize duping, unlocking BET with just one dreamer

[next jungle]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[ivory bridge]

thank you

[lofty flare]

Does explain early art of 3 monomons, + 3 monomons inside BET

[formal bough]

I mean yeah, that's why they were so kind to remove the old methods of dupes before current patch and give us new and more exciting variants

[stable quarry]

The old way to dupe is easier to understand imo just enter a room twice

Some you can use a hazard to gain controll after entering a load and some are just close enough to an upward transition that you can jump and reach the load before you gain controll from the timer. This is because you gain controll from tuching the ground and a timer when going trough downward transitions.

[stable quarry]

Do you want me to explain how we get 5 rooms ontop of eachother and then get 3 dreamer rooms in there?

[stable quarry]

@ivory bridge you might be interested but if you just want to avoid it happening in the future just hold a direction when entering loads right after exiting them that way you land on the roof instead of falling back into the load

[coral shore]

Basically when you enter the room through downwards transition (so from up), you gain control twice: from touching the ground, and from timer. If the ground is close enough to the transition, you can jump into transition before you gain control from the timer, and then use timer control to go into transition again.

[formal bough]

oh you get control from touching the ground and from timer, I knew there had to be two sources of control I just didn't know what they would be

[stable quarry]

I promise I had that in my message

"This is because you gain controll from tuching the ground and a timer when going trough downward transitions."

Your explanation seemed better though

[coral shore]

Oh yeah my bad I've missed that part

[final night]

Is it possible to do lever skip on current patch PS4?

[rapid nest]

yep there are actually no required levers in the game, you can noclip past all of them

[coral shore]

Assuming you mean the one in spire, that one is 1221 exclusive, so no you can't do the lever skip there

[final night]

Current patch PS4 is 1.4.3.3

Oh

[rapid nest]

1433 is truly a moment

[final night]

[next jungle]

gaming

[stable quarry]

Did you get the exact same time as before?

[lofty flare]

Lmao

[leaden halo]

I dnt know how to do the proper swings to stay to the radiance

[stable quarry]

Can you show a clip of you doing it?

[leaden halo]

is it good enough to see what i am doing wrong??

[stable quarry]

what load out is this TE?

[leaden halo]

charms??

[leaden halo]

i m not familiar with the terms soryy

[stable quarry]

charms abilities etc

True ending it the speedrun that does radiance ending

[leaden halo]

ohhh sorry meant abs rad for a 112% run

[stable quarry]

Then I'm out.. I haven't done 112% pretty sure you should be able to do pogo slash twice pogo though? @craggy nest want to help?

[leaden halo]

if @craggy nest can i would like it

[stable quarry]

Lumos is cool so they might

Probably better to ask in the pinned server though in il-combat

[craggy nest]

whats this, absrad face combos?

I wish I could help but tbh I don't even know what I am doing when I do it

I just press buttons without thinking and it works

[leaden halo]

ohh ok, thanks for trying to help .Do you know anyone who can help me learn it???

[craggy nest]

benji (spoonsei) is cracked at them, I think he's in this server

but your best bet is il-combat in speedcord

I think the way I learned them is just playing absrad a bunch and eventually you pick them up

sorta like turn cancels

[leaden halo]

how can i enter speedcord???

[craggy nest]

its pinned

[leaden halo]

were??

[craggy nest]

in this channel

?pins

[river axle]

Check the pinned messages for more information - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187137504393035776/823796522751623168/unknown.png

[leaden halo]

sorry for annoying you

also thanks for the help everyone

[craggy nest]

np you aren't annoying me lmao

dw about it

I really wish I had better advice

[knotty vigil]

Is there any way I can get wings without Crystal heart in steel soul

[vagrant warren]

No.

[verbal stag]

slopeball

[steady lynx]

Float

[stable quarry]

GMMS it gives cdash too though but your not using it..

[steady lynx]

But that's also Godseeker mode and it asked for steelsoul

[stable quarry]

Oh mb bench float is my new suggestion then

[steady lynx]

And anyone who can see will know they're different modes

I guess noclip works, that even skips BV

[stable quarry]

Now I wanna place an enemy there to see if it would be jump slide able

[steady lynx]

Just use beta physics and superslide off the spikes

[stable quarry]

How do you gain height then?

[sturdy glade]

Can we just do hundo NMMS?

[steady lynx]

I mean the ones in the ceiling

[stable quarry]

There are spikes in the ceiling?

[steady lynx]

I'm still mad about the infinite load

Oh, if you're on 1006 you might be able to thornwarp there

[coral shore]

[steady lynx]

This is a Mylas Revenge AG hate post

@stable quarry Mylas revenge NMMS when?

[lofty flare]

Do wiggle wcs smh

[shadow dirge]

Is 5 masks nail 0 hornet 2 a thing on any% te ?

[vagrant warren]

Yes (it's actually just called TE without the any% qualifier)

[shadow dirge]

Oh crap I'm in troubles (thanks for the correction)

[vagrant warren]

You're not in trouble? (Also ping isn't necessary)

[digital jewel]

true ending%

[shadow dirge]

I don't think I can do it , that's why I said that

[vagrant warren]

It's OK if you can't do it yet, there's this neat thing called practice. Also Hornet 2 is far from the hardest boss in True Ending, and you never get more masks or any nail upgrades (even for Radiance)

[shadow dirge]

Okay thanks ! 👍

[stable quarry]

You get shadesoul though

[pure wolf]

ROUGH ESTIMATE

• 18 swings, doors in King’s Pass
• 1 swing, breakable floor skip
• 1 swing, Fury of the Fallen
• 10 swings, Gruz Mother with FOTF
• find Sly
• farm the husks in the False Knight room when he drops down and kills them, need 1900 geo
• get Lumafly Lantern
• get crossroads stag
• get Dreamshield through Crystal Peaks -> Resting Grounds path
• 2 swings, resting grounds stag (dreamshield does not work, the game saves your spot at resting grounds so no resetting to the bench)
• farm more geo using Dshield
• damage boost with your shade up to Salubra’s shop and get Longnail charms and charm notches (do not bench )
• 5 swings, greenpath baldur with Dshield and Longnail and FOTF
• get Mothwing Cloak
• get Howling Wraiths
• get Vengeful Spirit
• progress through the game normally without nail swings
• 1 swing, lever for Mantis Claw
• 1 swing, mantis lords
• 1 swing, tram pass
• 1 swing, enter city
• 4 swings, climb to soul sanctum
• 1 swing, entering soul sanctum
• 1 swing, just inside soul sanctum
  DREAMGATE OUTSIDE OF SOUL SANCTUM BEFORE ENTERING, DESOLATE DIVE GET IS A HARDSAVE
• 1 swing, Grimm Troupe activation (Cyclone slash multihit)
• 1 swing, Colosseum mimic
• 1 swing, lighthouse activation
• 5 swings, white palace
• 2 swings, entering lurien's spire
• 1 swing, activate Pantheon 5
• 1 swing, final hit for Absolute Radiance

As you can see it takes 62 swings to beat the game :)

It would be more for beating the Hollow Knight I think, because of the dreamers and the chains in the final room

Not sure if that is more than the number spent on fighting every boss to enter Pantheon 5

[formal bough]

wait why a swing for mantis lords? just take a different enterance

[pure wolf]

You mean fall into deepnest?

[formal bough]

yeah, isn't the goal just tram pass?

oh duh

[pure wolf]

It’s to fight the lords for P5

[formal bough]

my brains tired rn

[pure wolf]

Fair

[stable quarry]

I wonder how much we can drag that down my using glitches

[stuck raptor]

a lot

back in 2019, it only took 11 with glitches

so probably much less

[coral shore]

iirc it's 6 now assuming everything same but airwalk jumps out of kp

[coral shore]

@rapid nest opinions tbh 🦞

[rapid nest]

KP is 20 swings, no swings needed for dnail since rg isnt a hardsave, you can do the baldur with just dreamshield and no swings, grimm troupe needs at least 2, maybe 3 swings, no swings are needed to enter city, climb to sanctum is only 3 swings if you go through spire, other than that everything looks correct

ofc if its just min nail presses you can just swap like half of the presses for nail arts

[formal bough]

what matters is the amount of times you have to press the nail button

so holding nail for a cyclone and releasing it is 1 long press

[pure wolf]

How would you use just dreamshield? You need the hitbox extension from swinging don’t u

[pure wolf]

It’s more like the amount of times a swing move is activated

So you’re right but it also allows presses during transitions cause they don’t do anything and prevents things being a half press + nail art

[rapid nest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6ietCz6dk0 i dont have a clip with dshield but i think someone tased it at some point and im pretty sure the range is same as nail

[pure wolf]

I’ll try it later, thx!

I’ve done the itemless before yea

[rapid nest]

its already pretty cursed with nail so with dshield it probably sucks

at least you get dnail so infinite attempts

[pure wolf]

It’s just getting the right dshield angle

I already frame counted for that

Some frames after it touches the line you’re standing by at the outer range of the baldur

Where it detects you to shield

[pure wolf]

I’ll reroute KP, what 2 am I not needing if you had to guess? Also resting grounds isn’t a hardsave? News to me haha, ig I never tested. I went in frame by frame and I am 80% sure I only needed 1 cyclone for Grimm Troupe, I’ll try again. Also I think you may be right about city and sanctum but is that due to elevator skips? Those were the choke point iirc

[rapid nest]

the 2 in kp are probably the 2 after the breakable floor, you can skip the breakable floor entirely with a vengefly pogo

also you're correct about the grimm troupe lantern, i was thinking in terms of nail presses but its only 1 cyclone

[coral shore]

Ok but like is cyclone only one slash or is it multiple

[rapid nest]

[steady lynx]

NMG runners are willing to talk about low nailswing until you tell them to kill a dreamer with cdash

[rapid nest]

iirc d*wnpatching is a crime in 17 states

also godhome ending is pog

[steady lynx]

Well, I live in the free country of Sweden so I downpatch whenever I want

Except I still can't get the 40 or so beta releases

[lofty flare]

gotta improve my nail turn arounds but its coming together

[old minnow]

Siick

[lofty flare]

🙂

and yes im aware why that upswing didnt work and it has been fixed.

[untold fiber]

can you wall cling storage in current patch

is it any different than 1.2.2.1

[analog pawn]

You can but it's not legal in NMG. Because on latest patch it doesn't conserve dash speed and stuff so it can only be used to jump out off

[lofty flare]

@old minnow I finished it if u wanna see

https://youtu.be/IMQstlGcnhY, time with loading screens btw

Could definitely fix some things, namely the jumps

Gonna go to bed now.

[latent blade]

guys is cloak a hard save cause im trying cloak then benchwarp to hot spring then go fungal

also is controller better than keyboard

[formal bough]

both work, and no mothwing cloak is not a hardsave

there exists routes already if you want to look at one

I mean, many routes

but if you're routing yourself then go ahead

[lofty flare]

Can’t Benchwarp to hot spring

Just like dirtmouth, mound bench auto saves

Even if you don’t sit there

[latent blade]

ohh

[lofty flare]

Yeah

So any% and TE etc will warp back to ancestral mound after dash

It’s nearly as close as hot spring to fungal

And you can warp right back after claw

[latent blade]

im trying the normal any%NMG route

def need more practice tho i keep dying to mound lol

[lofty flare]

Ok so you’ll get dash warp to mound, get claw, warp to mound, go get crossroads stag, save sly, buy shamans, and do the shade skip.

[latent blade]

ok

do i need city crest or just spike false knight

[formal bough]

skip fk

just look at a run

[lofty flare]

Skip

[latent blade]

ok

[formal bough]

Guides
Runs

[latent blade]

oh shee thanks

[lofty flare]

If I had to guess, my TAS is about 56 to 57 seconds without loads

I’ll check an accurate time next weekend

[latent blade]

for what?

[lofty flare]

Kings pass

[lofty flare]

^

[latent blade]

cdash is after knights right?

[lofty flare]

Mhm

[latent blade]

sure

[lofty flare]

Watcher knights geo, sell to lemm, stag to dirtmouth, bench there for Benchwarp, get lantern, stag to crossroads, go to peaks.

I believe it’s a bit faster to bench after lantern but it doesn’t rly matter.

[pure wolf]

where are you removing 2 swings in KP? i have 22. 6 single hit breakables, a 3 hit and the big door (13)

[stable quarry]

It's the exact same time to bench before or after

[stable quarry]

@pure wolf

[pure wolf]

Ooh

Do I have to downpatch

Cause I ain’t

[pure wolf]

We need fury for gruz mother

So we need to fall into the floor

It costs 3 to grab fury based on that new info you told me

And it def saves more than that on gruz mother

[jagged monolith]

Hi! I lost the link of the speedrunning server. Does someone have it?

[stuck raptor]

?pins

[river axle]

Check the pinned messages for more information - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187137504393035776/823796522751623168/unknown.png

[lofty flare]

Now I gotta go add overlays to my TAS

But I don’t have the time

Next weekend ig

[rapid nest]

you have to use a shade to damage boost over to fury

[pure wolf]

I used a vengefly

Is shade somehow better

Also you missed the point

Which is that if you skip the breakable floor you cannot get fury period

[stable quarry]

You can though

Let me explain, there is a hardsave right after the door so you get the hardsave go back, die to the spikes and dboos over to fury then sq back to the hardsave

[pure wolf]

Oh I see. I was not aware.

Down to 20 then! +1 for floor skip, -3 for no breaking the 3-hit structure

[stable quarry]

[pure wolf]

So 18 for the doors, 1 for fury, one for floor skip

[stable quarry]

1 for fury?

[coral shore]

to open

[stable quarry]

Right the chest

[final elk]

Can I get access to sro?

[abstract shore]

Speedrunning

This is the channel for general discussion about competitive Hollow Knight speedrunning.

• Hollow Knight speedrun guides can be found at https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides.
• Any questions pertaining to the speedrun achievements should be directed to #hk-help. A guide for the 5 hour speedrun achievement https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602.
• The speedrunning community have their own Discord which can be found here https://discord.gg/3JtHPsBjHD . Join to discuss all things related to competitive speedrunning.

[abstract shore]

We had some old commands like ?srpsa and ?srguides, just got rid of those to put them into a pinned message instead, looks a little cleaner

[near nova]

Get love to the pin

[stray kestrel]

rip srpsa

[jagged vault]

me when simo

[supple lagoon]

Me when blue

Blue the run you get out of early game will be the run I do p5ab

[steady lynx]

I mean, Blue is good at 112 yeah, but have you seen Simo run 112? Life changing experience

[abstract shore]

Literally last place

[lime arrow]

[mossy brook]

[steady lynx]

At least you've finished a run

My only attempts at PC 112 ended in tragic ways

[coral shore]

You should run it again and stream it 😤

[stable flint]

Time to grind then

[next jungle]

i was going thru dnail room and got stuck like this any1 know what happened

[steady lynx]

You weren't grounded or were moving when you interacted with the text

[next jungle]

ohh

makes sense

[steady lynx]

1221 runners just have it happen once and then are afraid of it forever, but it's something every runner does at some point

[stable flint]

Can confirm

[hasty wind]

how to make 112% in 5 minutes?

[verbal stag]

do a regular 112% run then speed up the video a lot

[jagged vault]

YOO LFG RUN IT BACK

[next jungle]

me submitting my any% run to all glitches

[analog pawn]

Or you could run All Glitches

[coral shore]

[analog pawn]

Or even better, No Main Menu Storage

At least imo

[next jungle]

i mean just do an any% run and submit it to both any% and all glitches

[formal bough]

it won't get accepted as an all glitches run

runs are for the most restrictive ruleset that it applies to

[analog pawn]

the runs always get moved to the most restrictive ruleset that it fits in

was snailed

[stable quarry]

Just skip the shadeskip with wcs and get a free NMMS run

[acoustic torrent]

I downloaded livesplit but I don't really know how to set this up. Is this possible to download ready template?

[stable quarry]

Check pins

[sacred thunder]

there are some on speedrun.com

[acoustic torrent]

Okay, thanks for help

[sacred thunder]

watch out though, not all are fully finished

[stable quarry]

In the pins

[acoustic torrent]

what any% do you recommend for begginer

I didnt know that there are multiple options to select from

[stray kestrel]

no major glitches is the most popular one

there's a ton of resources for it as well

[acoustic torrent]

yeah but

which path to take

[vagrant warren]

Shade soul is somewhat of a safety route (it loses time) so it depends on your comfort level. And whether you want to downpatch or play on LP

[acoustic torrent]

If i am being honest I don't know what do I want to do

I will go with Shade Soul

Thanks

[vagrant warren]

if you're super unsure a good starting place is watching runs of the various routes

[acoustic torrent]

{
"categoryName": "Any%",
"splitIds": [
"VengefulSpirit",
"EnterGreenpath",
"MothwingCloak",
"MantisClaw",
"GruzMother",
"DreamNail",
"TransGorgeousHusk",
"LumaflyLantern",
"CrystalHeart",
"ShadeSoul",
"BlackKnight",
"RidingStag",
"Uumuu",
"QueensGardensEntry",
"BeastsDenTrapBench",
"Hegemol",
"UnchainedHollowKnight"
],
"ordered": true,
"endTriggeringAutosplit": false,
"endingSplit": {
"name": "Hollow Knight",
"icon": "HollowKnightBoss"
},
"gameName": "Hollow Knight",
"variables": {
"Any% Glitch": "1.4.3.2+ NMG"
}
}

Do you know where do i paste this

[verbal stag]

press the generate button then download

[acoustic torrent]

I will just experiment a little with this one

where should i put this file

[vagrant warren]

there are instructions right on the page

[acoustic torrent]

Mhm

[lofty flare]

That…will be an experience.

[vagrant warren]

also pinging is not necessary, thanks

[acoustic torrent]

by answering someone i ping them?

Sorry I dont use Discord too often

[coral shore]

?pingoff

[verbal stag]

when you reply there's an option to ping which defaults to yes

[coral shore]

?ping

?replyping

wtf

istg there is a command that shows a screenshot

[vagrant warren]

?noping

?tag noping

[river axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/462200562620825600/919850262959640596/dontpingplz.png

[coral shore]

omg thanks colette

wait wrong double letters

I'm not being smart today

[vagrant warren]

I have a hell of a time keeping commands straight between this discord & the modding discord

[knotty vigil]

[[Mood]]

[sage veldt]

https://hollowknight.fandom.com/wiki/Mood?action=edit&redlink=1

[pliant wedge]

can anyone help me set up live split for hollow knight (im losing my mind pls help me)

[lofty flare]

Guides on https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight

Aswell as in the pinned server

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/879286406726451210/880046151410282506/hk_pins.png

[pliant wedge]

it just isnt working for me

[lofty flare]

Hmm

[pliant wedge]

want to talk to someone

[lofty flare]

Time doesn’t progress?

Auto splitter doesn’t work?

[pliant wedge]

it never starts

it used to

it just stopped working one day

[lofty flare]

Gotta start it during the loading cutscenes iirc, might be wrong but I always have had to manually start it.

[pliant wedge]

dont know what i did differnt

yeah thats why i want to talk to some one and stream my screen

[lofty flare]

Fine

[coral shore]

@pliant wedge https://discord.gg/3JtHPsBjHD

[pliant wedge]

still looking for someone if you want to help

[arctic orbit]

simo speedrunner return?

[mossy brook]

That link you got send probably is for a server where you will get better help

[pliant wedge]

server is not very active 😦

[mossy brook]

Damn that's crazy

Maybe try to learn a bit of patience while you wait

[pliant wedge]

im waiting 🙂

[mossy brook]

👍

Now work on the first part of the sentence

[pliant wedge]

why hostile

what did i do

[mossy brook]

Pinging users for them to hurry up is considered quite rude

[pliant wedge]

just making sure he saw it

[lofty flare]

[stable quarry]

It is though..

[jagged lance]

What's the best time for p5ab

[verbal stag]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/level/Pantheon_of_Hallownest

32:11 on 1424, 33:32 otherwise

[next jungle]

so close to sub hour

had a good deepnest

[lofty flare]

Nice!

[next jungle]

B)

i have no idea how i did that with ddark route

[stable quarry]

I wonder how much ddark route looses now @arctic orbit do you know?

[steady lynx]

According to a lot of timings, everything either loses or gains 40 seconds

[arctic orbit]

ummm

idk

could do a test run

[celest coyote]

I know how to make multiple installs, but do the installs use the same save file directory?
If yes, does this mean that without mods, you can only have 4 saves at a time even with more than one install?

[formal bough]

I mean, you should really just backup saves anyway

[steady lynx]

They use the same saves but they're simple files so you can just move them elsewhere to store them

[knotty vigil]

Is it good 100% in 9:02 hours?

Actually 101%

[analog pawn]

If you are happy with it, it's a good time. However with a planned route it should be very easy to cut the time down

[tawdry heart]

Hey does anyone have a good video of a path I should follow for the speedrunning achievements?

[stuck raptor]

?srpsa

[verbal stag]

check pins

srpsa is no more

[stuck raptor]

• Any questions pertaining to the speedrun achievements should be directed to ⁠help. A guide for the 5 hour speedrun achievement https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602.

[tawdry heart]

Thank you!!

[strong cliff]

I WAS SO CLSOE TO KILLING HORNET

DMAN IT

[sleek flare]

where can i find which speedrunners have the fastest individual splits for speedruns

[weary root]

ComSoBs (community sum of bests) can be found pinned in their respective channel in the speedrunning server

[sleek flare]

is there a spreadsheet for that type of thing cause i remember seeing one somewhere

oh ok

ok ty

[weary root]

Link to the server in the pins of this channel

[fresh stump]

so I dont think this would be useful or anything but I found a gllitch/bug that happens if you press the pause buttton and the return buttton one after another rly fast (im doing it with a controller)

aand its not playable great

welp, you can just try out for yourselves I dont think it help with anything but yeah

now maybe?

yeah there we go

[analog pawn]

This glitch is called pause storage, it has very niche uses

[fresh stump]

alr

so since its already named I suppose its already been found which makes sense

[analog pawn]

I know this is used in a run, I don't remember which right now

[fresh stump]

Oke

[weary root]

yeah we have used it to quit out during dreamer cutscenes to skip them, and in old low% glitched routes to skip dream wielder
but I don't think it's used in any mainboard src categories atm

[next jungle]

SUB HOUR

[formal bough]

congrats

[subtle field]

I have completed my first PV speedkill in 25 seconds

[mystic lynx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTJ7AoyT4Qw&t=1s

[stuck raptor]

<@&283547423706447872>

[verbal stag]

@keen jewel #livestreams exists for a reason

[keen jewel]

Oh sorry , i didnt see

[dusk flame]

Hey noob here

I literally joined just to tell you guys something

I found a much more efficient geo farm

So as far as I could find the agreed best is either just outside of King's station or the second arena. Both are roughly 250-270 geo per min.

My new farm is over 310 geo per min. The location is the bench just under the long bridge in city of tears

Sadly I don't have a capture card but if someone else does I could walk them thru it while they record

Also you can get in with a pogo instead of monarch wings

[rapid nest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXic6he4rfs i think this is a bit more than 300 per minute

[stuck raptor]

plus, abandoned tramway exists

[rapid nest]

plus, how does this relate to speedrunning in any way

[dusk flame]

It's 2000ish in 7mins or more so 280 is as good as you can get

[rapid nest]

7 minutes

vid is 3 minutes long

[stuck raptor]

lol

[dusk flame]

Woah that's actually awesome

Nvm

Well I suppose mine is at least available much sooner in the game

I guess I forget how absolutely insane y'all are sometimes

[lofty flare]

Isn’t that not as efficient?

I know it’s much more accessible but waiting for them to spit out and then killing through the wall is slower iirc

[verbal stag]

you can do a funny oob to a dirtcarver spawner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfju2mtFLtU

[dusk flame]

Well yeah but that's something that not every run would allow since it's clearly a bug

[coral shore]

Idk seems like a strange reason to not allow something in Hollow Knight

[dusk flame]

Fair point, it is a game about bugs

Anyways if anyone wants me to show them the farm just DM me

[coral shore]

btw is there something you are using the geo for or

[dusk flame]

Yeah unbreakable upgrades

[digital jewel]

holy shit it's mr beast

[shadow bluff]

What is the best dreamer to go for after getting dreamnail this is my first time actually speedrun if and I’m trying to knock out both speedrun achievements in 1 go I have dreamnail and I am already a hour 45 in

[analog pawn]

typically we go to lurien, then monomon and end with herrah

it's good since lurien is close to dreamnail

and then they are right to left

[coarse stone]

my friend is trying to learn how to speedrun this game is there a good resource for learning everything?

[sturdy glade]

yes

[coarse stone]

what is it?

[sturdy glade]

sorry I'm getting links rq

1. learn the route; a pastebin for it is https://pastebin.com/zKke8sDC , and you'll want to go for the spore shroom variation (it skips a hard trick and let's you bully the hollow knight). You don't need it memorized at first, but eventually memorization will just happen.

2. Use these videos for specific ways to go fast.
   For bosses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-aCaVTAUtc&list=PLfkLKB8O1Ff0-AApWYqqgFjMcMMVaW_JH
   For movement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5yUX98-76A
   For Watcher Knights, often the largest roadblock to newbies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc-_Vg-Y8ME

[vagrant warren]

Also the speedrun server in pins, which has lots of active runners & resources for all categories, if your friend is considering something other than any%

[sturdy glade]

Yeah

[cold depot]

i sped ran the game in an 1 hr 7 min lmao cut my first speedrun time in half

i forgot to sit at salubra bench and get crossroads stag so like i could prob save another 5 min there👀

[tired osprey]

Idk if someone has discovered this but dream nail gets rid of fall speed cap just like inv drop

[formal bough]

yep! there's a funky no eyes dream nail that uses it'

[tired osprey]

Ok

[steady lynx]

It's also useful for a lot of micro optimisations

[analog pawn]

Or just to look swag by dnail dropping instead of inventory

[sturdy glade]

It's really funny to sink underwater with it too

[steady lynx]

It's extremely funny if you sink underwater with it and then put a dgate there

[sturdy glade]

That's how I do ks noclip btw

[supple lagoon]

will you get banned for submitting a joke run?

I should use safer strats

[true palm]

No we just move ur run if it does major glitches, reject it if it's clearly not you trying to go speedrun

[steady lynx]

Moving the run is good since it makes it look like people run glitched All Skills

[sturdy glade]

Asag erasure

[steady lynx]

ASAG will likely forever be optimal on 1028 and that's a good thing

Screw LP glitched

They took TE NMMS from us, it used to be cool

[sturdy glade]

Frrr

[stable quarry]

How was the old route?

[steady lynx]

It was honestly almost just any% NMMS but you detoured for voidheart after Herrah I think

[coral shore]

Staxis thinks asag is faster on lp

[sturdy glade]

staxis is wrong

source: trust me bro

[stable quarry]

How?

Like we have dreamgate on 1114 right? So I don't see what else would help? We loose ingame mms

[coral shore]

Room dupes mostly

[steady lynx]

Staxis needs to stop

[stable quarry]

We need more glitched runners so we can split the board by patch like nmg

[analog pawn]

I want to split it by patch, 1028 glitched is what I prefer and think we should preserve it in some way now that LP becomes optimal for more and more categories

[tough relic]

Do a different leaderboard for every run so everyone has wr Yippee

[plucky pelican]

https://youtu.be/wN0TZpuIwr4

[vagrant warren]

...OK? (this actually happened weeks ago, most people who care already know)

[steady lynx]

It wasn't uploaded to YouTube until today so fair enough really

[vagrant warren]

I suppose, it seems a bit weird to think people in the speedrun channel are unaware of a major milestone until it goes on YT though LOL

Or maybe they thought something else, hard to tell since it's just a link without an actual comment

[coral shore]

Colette you would be surprised how many people actually didn't know about this

[plucky pelican]

Tbh I don't really watch HK speedruns, so I didn't know when exactly this speedrun happened

Found it in recommendations

Also: rude

[lofty flare]

Tbh I was aswell.

[weary root]

went to voidheart after entering lurien to get noclip from voidheart (which then warps you to lurien)
collect lurien
noclip to monomon, skipping Uumuu
noclip up to bench, use map to get control and bench
hard reset the game cause otherwise you're soft locked
continue as normal

I think it got shade cloak as well, cause rad with no I frames sucks

[vagrant warren]

Apologies if it came off rude, I think anytime someone posts a link with absolutely no commentary is strange, let alone something like this

[tired osprey]

I want to speed run but I can’t find any strats

[cosmic perch]

Join the server linked in pinned messages and head to #strats

There's searchable tags on them too for the category you're interested in running

[cosmic perch]

Just a heads up, don't actually send a message in strats unless you're posting one. For questions you may have about a strat, just link the message in the appropriate channel

[hollow whale]

does sb know how to do wall cling storage consistently

[stable quarry]

Who is sb?

[knotty vigil]

somebody

[hollow whale]

somebody

[stable quarry]

Wait I thought I killed you...

[hollow whale]

lolol

no

[stable quarry]

Oh what type?

[hollow whale]

i will always return

[stable quarry]

Of wcs?

[hollow whale]

um

the one to do teachers archive without c dash

or ismas

[stable quarry]

We have corner, gate, transition, [cling cling, wiggle] not rta viable for the most part

[hollow whale]

ok

[stable quarry]

QGA?

[hollow whale]

no

safe myla

the best category

[stable quarry]

This? https://youtu.be/jr8hqhtxrYY

[hollow whale]

no

the part after that

[stable quarry]

The one after Uumuu?

[hollow whale]

yes

is it even possible by a human

or TAS only

[stable quarry]

Well you can eiter time a gate wcs or get corner wcs from the wall after the gate

Yes

It's possible

[hollow whale]

is there a specific patch i need to be on

[stuck raptor]

using wcs there without the necessary items to traverse it anyway is banned in the NMG ruleset

[stable quarry]

1221

[hollow whale]

i cant change my patch

[stuck raptor]

and if you wanted to play a ruleset that allows it.... there's faster ways

[stable quarry]

But you can allways submit it as NMMS

[hollow whale]

yes i this so too

[stable quarry]

RMG

[hollow whale]

i dont want to speedrun it

only do the route

its hard enough

only doing it

[stable quarry]

Are you on console?

[hollow whale]

yes

[stable quarry]

Do you care about rules? Because you can still get there with glitches

Or you can do dung defender and get ismas

Like most save myla runs

[hollow whale]

oh

yes

bruh

i thoght you had to do ismas skip lol

and that one i really hard

[stable quarry]

You only need to do a spike tunnel skip

[hollow whale]

yes

ok

wait

what

and after that?

[stable quarry]

Which on lp is quite leanient so you should get it within 50 attempts I'd reccon

[hollow whale]

dont i have to do the skip after that

[stable quarry]

Tbh you could just watch save myla% 3d place I think does that. I have only ran myla%

[hollow whale]

ok

well ty

for all the help

[stable quarry]

You could allways slopeball to wings or shadeskip to wings though

That way you deffinitly don't need to do anythig hard after the spiketunnel

[hollow whale]

yes

oc

[stable quarry]

Eh, it's anoying because of the long corridor but I wouldn't call it hard

[hollow whale]

i thoght of sth else

[stable quarry]

Oh ok

[hollow whale]

the skip after spike tunnel to do ismas skip even faster

but i wont do that

[stable quarry]

You mean the transdash fb skip?

[hollow whale]

i think yes

[stable quarry]

Which then leads to a shadeskip also called GGG skip

[hollow whale]

lol does everything need a short form

[stable quarry]

Well GGG is a category and it's biggest roadblock is that skip

[hollow whale]

ok

makes sense

[stable quarry]

Gaate gaslight gatekeep in some order

[hollow whale]

ok

well thx for all the help