speedrunning

[vestal nexus]

and what other versions are there

[coral shore]

any% nmg version isn't hard, might take some attempts tho

[vestal nexus]

ok

[coral shore]

There are A LOT of them. The other popular one is TE nmg one, without claw

[vestal nexus]

ok how far in the game are you or have you beat it?

[coral shore]

that sounds like a random question ngl. But I've beaten this game

[vestal nexus]

cool

[steady lynx]

any% Shade Skip: easy enough
TE Shade Skip: Doable with a tiny bit of practice
Old GH% Shade Skip: Possible but painful
completely itemless Shade Skip: Oh God why would you do this?

[coral shore]

Itemless is just unfun bs

[steady lynx]

I think those are the only ones used in any runs now

There's also the All Bosses Shadeless Shade Skip but that's more of a meme

[coral shore]

Well, there are 3 variants of te shade skip alone tbh

[vestal nexus]

whats the itemless shade skip

[steady lynx]

Without any movement, charms or mask upgrades you get to Blue Lake by pogoing the shade

[sacred thunder]

I would recommend not bothering with speedrun skips before you’ve beaten the game at least once though

It’s not like you need them

[vestal nexus]

ok

[steady lynx]

https://youtu.be/H0ycj0_Srh8?t=276

Have to play at 50fps basically to get enough knockback when it hits you

[coral shore]

*120

it's just much easier at 50, but the actual limit is 120

[vestal nexus]

ah that looks harder than the mantis claw and mothwing cloak one with

[coral shore]

yes

it's much much worse

claw and dash one is easy

[vestal nexus]

witch one is easier in your opinion

[coral shore]

objectively speaking, claw and dash is the easiest one. It's not just an opinion

[vestal nexus]

ok thank you

[coral shore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25V485jeGpU here you can see all known ones

most of them are useless

[vestal nexus]

oh thanks

for the vid

is there a way to get crystal heart without desolate dive?

[coral shore]

yes. You can buy lantern and go through dark room that leads to crystal peaks

[knotty vigil]

No acid skips cuz I'm bad and a route I sorta made up as I went I got a little over 3 hours for my first speedrun i feel pretty proud B)

Current patch

[coral shore]

Being proud is what matters. Being completely serious rn

[normal sun]

Are you hosspants in the amateur leauge server

[vestal nexus]

@normal sun wdym

[knotty vigil]

Died a lot in final fight and earlier in had to get dive for watchers so massive timeloss there

[normal sun]

The sc2 discord

[grim oasis]

I need help with doing the trick to hit the switch in spire through the floor

[stuck raptor]

be on patch 1221

it only works on that patch

[grim oasis]

Oh, what’s the strat in newer patches?

[stuck raptor]

You do the room normally

[grim oasis]

Does doing it in an older patch not allow me to get the achievement?

[stuck raptor]

what achievement

the speedrun one? you don't need to do current WR strats for that achievement

[grim oasis]

Oh

[stuck raptor]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This category is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[grim oasis]

I think I’ll try actually speed running it

[stuck raptor]

the lever strat saves like 1 minute tops

if you want to speedrun competitively and get on the leaderboards, you should join the server in pins

[stable quarry]

About 20 secounds...

[stuck raptor]

thanks for pinging me for no reason

1 minute maximum is not mutually exclusive with ~20 seconds

[rapid nest]

tbf 1 minute is substantially more than 20 seconds

[stable quarry]

Sorry I didn't know you disliked pings...

[plucky nymph]

I wanted to start speedrunning Hollow Knight on the switch, I started recently and was just practicing getting 9-10min Hornet times, but I played on the Nintendo Switch. now i've gotten it on PC Gamepass and can't find a guide to downpatch it since most people get it on Steam help

[arctic orbit]

You can’t downpatch on game pass

[plucky nymph]

oh no

[bleak ore]

@supple lagoon switch competitor? 👀

[plucky nymph]

well i guess i'll just continue Switch runs then

I like switch runs more and i was getting the hang of frame perfect inventory drops on 1.4.3.2, but i really needed the timer that pauses on load screens instead of manually pausing an iPhone stopwatch timer 💀

i'll find some alternative soon hopefully

[vagrant warren]

If you're already used to LP there's no reason you can't continue that on PC, and take advantage of load remover. (But if you continue on switch you shouldn't be pausing during runs in an effort to mimic that, all console runs are timed RTA)

[steep mural]

yoooo I beat the game in 2 min with debug mod and benchwarp

[stable quarry]

So you beat thk in 2 min is what your saying?

[supple lagoon]

perhaps

but I run mainly pantheons and gh stuff

I suck at any%

[steep mural]

yep

[stable quarry]

I would reccomend glitched runs.

Any% ag is 5 min long

(Wr)

[plucky nymph]

Oh ok
But I was just more used to the switch controls overall, so it’s a lot easier there for me

pc felt so janky and sensitive to what I’m used to

[coral shore]

wr is 4:36 smh

[coral shore]

Yep, pc runs much better than switch, and has much less input delay

[stable quarry]

Do a run smh

[steep mural]

it was a joke

but maybe I will

thanks

[sage moon]

Would anyone happen to know how long enemy I-frames last and if it matters what you hit them with?

[stable quarry]

Like about 0.2 secounds

[sage moon]

You ever ask yourself a question, find an answer and say it doesn't make sense, than ask someone else the same question, and they give you the same answer, and realize it actually makes perfect sense?

[stable quarry]

Yes...

I had a 2 hour discussion about why it doesn't take 0.76 secounds to "reload" your nail

What is BWDNMGL% WRH?

[sage moon]

Blessed-Warpless-Deathless-No-Major-Glitches-Lowish% World Record Holder

[sage moon]

That had better be about gun mod, because if it's not I don't even want to know

[stable quarry]

What was the time

[stable quarry]

Just someone who got confused and though that the animation came after the cooldown..

[sage moon]

They must have been pretty stubborn for it to last 2 hours

[stable quarry]

I was at work so each respond took > 5 min

[sage moon]

I'm not sure what my best time was and I don't know how to check it, but my last run was 3 hours and 13 minutes

Pretty sure I got one under the three hour mark though

[stable quarry]

What was the route?

[sage moon]

To put it briefly
VS
Cloak
Claw
Tram Pass
DDive
Crystal Heart
Dream Nail
King's Brand
Monarch Wings
Shade Cloak
WL White Fragment
Awoken Dream Nail
Kingsoul

[stable quarry]

TE?

[sage moon]

Oh you meant the goal of the route

All Charms

[stable quarry]

Warpless is just no sq or no stags eiter?

[sage moon]

Yep

[stable quarry]

Oh right that's what blessed meant sallubra blessing..

So no dream gate eiter then I assume?

[sage moon]

I expect it to overtake any% in terms of popularity shortly

[stable quarry]

Tbh any% is more popular than it's fun to run..

[coral shore]

unless it's glitched

then it's reverse

[stable quarry]

Yes

[stable quarry]

Based

Any% nmms is great

I am mostly running any% for bragging rights...

[sage moon]

I get it at the same time as Awoken Dream Nail, so I allow it. But if there was a route where you could get it earlier, I would probably be opposed to it

[coral shore]

bragging is cool

[stable quarry]

If I flex my 28 any% pb no one cares because it's faster than nmg wr. So therfor it's fake

Tbh I need to practice for a good time in both glitched any%. But first nosk% I guess

[coral shore]

I mean glitches are cheating, so it's true, your time is faked

[steady lynx]

Nosk% should always come first

We gotta gaslight the community into thinking its a popular category

[stable quarry]

Yes, sadly nmms skips the skip...

I wonder how hard it would be to get all the nosk% rekkies

Clearly I have to brag about my 2 worth less rekkies. Nosk% NMMS and radiant% NMG

[steady lynx]

Nosk% NMG seems to be the only sorta optimized one

Beating Blossom's Nosk% AG rekky is also banned

[coral shore]

And incredibly hard

Blom is cracked

[steady lynx]

It's mostly funny that it's

Exactly 3 minutes

[coral shore]

that is also a factor

But I also wouldn't be surprised it is harder to beat ag than it is to beat nmg ngl. But who knows

[steady lynx]

Need to implement more Gusten strats

[stable quarry]

The spell does damage? Before wakeup?

How much does that save?

[steady lynx]

Only before 1.2

[stable quarry]

Patch or secounds?

Oh before

Nvm

[steady lynx]

Sub 13 Nosk% is very doable, but could take me getting good at the game

[vagrant warren]

Wanting more input delay is ... certainly a unique take.

[knotty vigil]

<@&283547423706447872> ?

lmao again

[coral shore]

Gusten level take, some may say

[steady lynx]

I can't swap between 1.5 and the others as freely

[plucky nymph]

lol no I’m just used to a bit of input delay, plus I got hk with gamepass so I can’t downpatch

Switch is preferable for me

[vagrant warren]

My point was you didn't need to downpatch to have a better running experience- but that was based on the assumption that a better running game would be considered a bonus, rather than a detriment

[knotty vigil]

What does it mean when an ability has "buffering"

I was told cdash does not have "buffering"

[cosmic perch]

Buffering is like queuing an input a little bit before you actually have control, so then the action you pressed comes out asap

Having control probably wasn't the right way to put it but I hope that still made sense

[cosmic perch]

So for this I think they mean actions are not bufferable after a cdash, meaning you have to manually time an action when the cdash is over

[verbal stag]

cdash itself also has no buffer

[frosty token]

Which one is best for 112

[stable quarry]

most likely all splits

Late flukenest is a comfy route iirc

[frosty token]

I'll take your word for it m8

[cosmic perch]

I would also recommend joining the server in the pinned messages and asking the folks in #107-112-percent especially if you end up having follow-up questions about the run

[frosty token]

Ok thanks

[cosmic perch]

Np

[scenic prairie]

How do I do wall cling on current patch its not working like 1.2.2.1

[cosmic perch]

Do you mean wall cling storage?

[scenic prairie]

yes

[cosmic perch]

Yeah it's different on lp than on 1221, which I assume is the reason why it's not allowed in nmg categories

[scenic prairie]

i am trying to do current patch speedrun 😦

[cosmic perch]

Well if you're doing an nmg category on current patch you won't be able to take advantage of wcs on it

If you want your run verified on src at least

[scenic prairie]

is it possible on current patch?

[cosmic perch]

Yes but it has different properties I believe

[scenic prairie]

cuz i can only do 1 wallcling

[weary root]

yes that is normal for current patch

[scenic prairie]

ok time to downpatch

[weary root]

downpatching is very easy if you're on steam

just select 1.2.2.1 from the beta's tab

[scenic prairie]

yea i know

but i am not on steam

[coral shore]

All splits so you don't forget things as easy. Late flukenest isn't really "comfier" iirc, just was left there for people who don't know how to use them I think

[scenic prairie]

how do i downgrade hollow knight

[coral shore]

?guides

[sick raven]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides

[scenic prairie]

not on steam

[coral shore]

Gog?

[scenic prairie]

yes

sir

[coral shore]

There is downpatching for gog described in the guide

[scenic prairie]

where

[coral shore]

Right above "patching steam"

[scenic prairie]

where

[coral shore]

Oh, you can't downpatch to 1221 on gog, my bad. But if you are interested in downpatching to 1432

[scenic prairie]

is it good for speedrunning?

[coral shore]

Depends on what are you running. It's better for any%, worse for 112%/107%, and also is generally less responsive

[scenic prairie]

i dont speedrun 112%/107%

so its good

[coral shore]

Also for any% it has spore shroom route which is 20 seconds faster than same route but without picking up sporeshroom on later patches

Still 20 s slower than qga tho

[scenic prairie]

so how do i download it?

[coral shore]

I've sent a screenshot here

[unkempt needle]

can i submit a speedrun if it has other audio over the game audio? i wanna listen to a podcast while doing runs but obs doesnt let me only capture game audio

[velvet wyvern]

you can listen to the podcast on another device and just play normally

[cosmic perch]

As long as the game audio is pretty clear you should be fine, I've seen many runs with music in the background

[unkempt needle]

aight thanks

[stable quarry]

There is a way to record only game audio btw.

[sage moon]

Is there a list for nail/narts frame data and if so where could I find it?

[feral plinth]

I am doing a randomizer speed run and all I can find is rancid eggs

[vagrant warren]

Randos are not really speedruns.

I mean, you can certainly try to do one fast but there are no leaderboards

[stable quarry]

Yeahz randos are better for races than runs..

[knotty vigil]

<@&283547423706447872> xd

[south herald]

ee er

[whole meadow]

uh huuh

[supple lagoon]

are there tips for pantheon runs

want to stall ab as long as possible

[cosmic perch]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the optimal charm build for most or maybe even all pantheons is strength, steady body, qs, fury, nmg, and flukes. Beyond that I'd join the server in the pinned messages and ask in the #il-combat channel, especially if you want to submit a run

[sacred thunder]

is this a new kind of scam im unaware of ?

im gonna <@&283547423706447872> it's not like it has anything to do here anyway

[barren yew]

@knotty vigil

Why'd you post this here

[sacred thunder]

i mean maybe it's a cool game who knows

[knotty vigil]

Misclick

[barren yew]

Thought as much

[knotty vigil]

I was wondering where it went lol

I tried to send to #off-topic

And it didn’t show up there

So I figured I accidentally sent it to some random channel

[knotty vigil]

New chess scam no way

[knotty vigil]

11 hours for first 100% speedrun is that good?

I've only ever beaten the game once and I made up the route as I went
Current patch

[lilac sentinel]

My first 100% run was like 20 hours and I did the same

I'd say thats really good

[idle spear]

hello, i just joined this server, could anyone tell me how to respawn a room of enemies using debug mod? i want to try to learn the speedrun

[coral shore]

In binds, there should be something like "make a quickslot" and "load quickslot" or something along those lines. Those are called savestates

Which is what we use for practice

[knotty vigil]

What are some general upgrade tips for someone who can't seem to kill the Knights boss in the Any % run NMG?

don't mind farming for some items for a bit

[steady lynx]

Either get a nail upgrade or do shade soul route

[grizzled gazelle]

Ye

[knotty vigil]

oof

Okay I'm real bad but I did both of those things

[steady lynx]

Then let me tell you about something

[knotty vigil]

Is there a second nail upgrade I can go for early (I know this is a skill issue)

[grizzled gazelle]

Yes

[steady lynx]

You should be using Descending Dark, it deals a lot of damage and gives you iframes

[knotty vigil]

I'm using the shaman charm atm but I can shoot for the DD if it's possible this early

[steady lynx]

It's just killing soul master and then going back to cpeak for DDark

Btw, a lot of people seem to call it Crystal Peaks, doesn't matter for speedruns, but I find it funny

[knotty vigil]

I’ll have to head there, I didn’t go there 😁

[grizzled gazelle]

U can go there to get cdash and then can get more pale ore for more nail upgrades

[true palm]

you dont want nail upgrades

they make all the dream bosses have massively increased hp

same with grimmkin

so you want to do the grimmkin and dream bosses before upgrading your nail at all

[arctic orbit]

Ye, they should get shade soul and/or ddark

[supple lagoon]

tmr I can start to run any% 1221

[jagged vault]

small correction, only dream warriors. the dream bosses don't have their health affected

[stable quarry]

I really don't see how that would affect any%

[rapid nest]

yeah the only thing that would scale with nail upgrades in any% is watchers and thats not until nail 3

[lofty marlin]

Why do people go all the way right from lemm when they could just save and quit to respawn at the kings station bench in the any% no major glitches speedrun?

[knotty vigil]

Because I’m sure warping back to Lurien after Lemm would save time

[lofty marlin]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

My bad I haven’t tried it in a speedrun yet

Thanks

[knotty vigil]

Yeah, killing dreamers hard saves you at the dreamer

[icy halo]

^

[hearty ravine]

I don't know if this is the place to post this, but I may have found to tricks that could be useful in speedrunning, but im unsure if they are vanilla since I have been playing with mods. The first is that if I take my map out when a boss roars, I am able to attack early, and the second is that if I attack an enemy and pause the same moment I get given knockback, I fly back.

first time actually posting.

[stuck raptor]

both of those are known and used in glitched runs

they are banned in NMG

[hearty ravine]

ok, sorry I did not know if those were found before

[coral shore]

All good! Please don't be afraid to post stuff you find in future!

The knockback pause thing you found is called superslide

[arctic orbit]

Damn, I’m impressed they found super slide on their own

[stable moon]

If they have qol it makes it super free

[arctic orbit]

fr?

[coral shore]

Yes

[tropic pivot]

Hi Guys. I didn't stumble on it before. When you use vengeful spirit right before landing in 1st Hornet fighting area you can skip whole dialog and start fight right away. How much time it can save irl?

[steady lynx]

It generally doesn't save time at all, generally it's better to just mash the text and keep the soul for spells that damage her

Unless you're playing on like English or French or some other slow text language

[tough pagoda]

hello you know what is the text of autosplit for the pantheon?

[steady lynx]

https://hksplitmaker.com/

[vagrant warren]

spam?

[weary root]

<@&283547423706447872> spam?

[slate pilot]

que

[viral egret]

que esta

[south herald]

Ee et

[near niche]

Would it be any faster for Any% to get Dashmaster?

[stable quarry]

No, if that was the case we would get it...

That has been timed multiple times

It looses 20 secounds to get and just doesn't save the time back

Espechally since we would need to eiter overcharm it with shaman or drop shaman for it anyways..

[near niche]

Dropping shaman stone would prevent the Uumuu 2-cycle

[stable quarry]

Exactly.. and loose a bunch of time on WK and geo collection

[near niche]

WK? (I don't know many of these acronymns)

[stuck raptor]

watcher knights

[near niche]

oh

[vestal nexus]

whats the fastest way to get desolatee dive

[stable quarry]

Right side city...

[stuck raptor]

fastest way to get dive is to main menu storage

[stable quarry]

You get ddark then

[stuck raptor]

even better

[vestal nexus]

bruh

[stable quarry]

Do you need more guidance?

[median flicker]

Is there a good 106 or 112 current patch route?

[coral shore]

I don't think right side is faster if you want to get dive

[formal bough]

Certainly it's fireball into stall ball to claw into city crest enterance no?

[stable quarry]

Crap I typed the wrong direction I ment left I promise

[stable quarry]

Ehm, stallball doesn't exsist smh

Also I would have to time that to be sure. It would be close

[verbal stag]

can you do city crest entrance without dash?

[steady lynx]

It's done in max% dashless

[stable quarry]

Yes

Snailed

[steady lynx]

Guess I'm the faster speedrunner 😎

[stable quarry]

True

I bow down to the mighty Gusten

[vagrant warren]

Join the server in pins for up to date resources

(106 can't be run on current patch tho)

[stable quarry]

And the route notes are outdated

[coral shore]

Rose when there are rules for a category:

[rapid nest]

i was talking about max% mask shardless of course

[coral shore]

that's at least 108% right? or can you not get something because it's mask locked

[rapid nest]

awoken dreamnail and kingsoul

[coral shore]

oh right

[rapid nest]

oh wait ascension as well

[coral shore]

[woven juniper]

just finished my first speedrun. NMG current patch : ingame time 1:11:36 is that okay? didn't time actual time

[coral shore]

Congrats

How do you feel about the run?

Like, proud happy or maybe the other way around

[woven juniper]

i feel proud yeah, there were some things i can definitly improve, however i feel like im missing something big that can save time. question, for this category? do you get a single nail upgrade?

[coral shore]

you don't get nail upgrades

what abilities are you getting rn?

[woven juniper]

shamaan thats all

and 1st spell

[coral shore]

If you are feeling proud, then it's a good run!

and what do you get from movement abilities?

[woven juniper]

claw, dash. thats about it i think

oh and heart

[coral shore]

oh, ok

So no extra stuff

[woven juniper]

not that i think, but i did get a nail upgrade

so i can leave it

[coral shore]

Nail upgrade doesn't lose THAT much time, so I assume that's mostly execution stuff

[woven juniper]

oh and i did get lantern so i guess thats osmething extra

[coral shore]

Nah, lantern is in the route

[woven juniper]

yeah i died once to uumuu and once to knights rest went fine

didn't expect to be so weak so damage tanked to early😂

[coral shore]

Are you doing QGA or going through spore shroom entrance

[woven juniper]

trough spore mushroom

skip was too hard for now

just can't get that right yet

[coral shore]

are you playing on 1.5 or 1.4.3.2?

[woven juniper]

1.5

i think.1.5.7

but could be.8

[coral shore]

1578

1580 is if you are playing through microsoft store

[woven juniper]

ah okey yeah then 78

is the skip easier on 4.3.2?

[coral shore]

no. It's just that on 1432 it's faster to pick up sporeshroom if you are going through that entrance anyway. On 1.5 picking up sporeshroom is slower than not picking it up and just going past

https://pastebin.com/zKke8sDC

here is a route if you are interested

[woven juniper]

ah thanks ❤️

also is there any charm besides shaman that could be used in a run. or is it all too much out of the way?

soul catcher for example

[wicked trench]

you can, but you'll need extra charm slots

[woven juniper]

i forget how many do you start with? 4?

[stuck raptor]

3

[woven juniper]

f

nvm then

[wicked trench]

you start with 3, and shaman stone requiers 3
you can get one more at fungal pretty easily and fast, but still... not the best thing to do

[woven juniper]

ah yeah fighting the big shrooms, howver 1 notch isnt really worth it indeed 😄

[wicked trench]

if you want an easier route you can do fireball2 (the black one, I don't remember the name) or upgrade your nail

[woven juniper]

thanks for the info guys appreciate it

[wicked trench]

this is the fireball2 route if you find the normal one too hard at the start, there is no shame to start simple
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/p2d5f

[sacred echo]

Are there any resources to talk about flukemarm charm? I know it's kinda broken but I don't understand how to utilize it to its fullest. Its hitbox glitch has only worked well fighting vengefly in the hall of gods

[formal bough]

Essentially the hit boxes linger and deal extra damage if an enemy exits and renters

So that’s what you want to happen

[steady lynx]

Flukes that can't even kill dupe, smh

[woven basin]

hey everyone! i'm just brand new to hollow knight speedrunning and speedrunning in general. i'm trying to downpatch my game on macOS, but every guide i can find is for windows. is the process basically the same, or are there different steps?

[knotty vigil]

?tag steambetas

[sick raven]

Make sure you have the correct game version for your mods.
-Modinstaller takes version 1.4.3.2 (and is no longer support)
-Scarab takes version 1.5 (set beta to "None")
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283470827738103810/1024160413895639050/Untitled-1.png

[knotty vigil]

pick one

[woven basin]

is that all i have to do? i also backed up my save files

[knotty vigil]

yeah

assuming you're trying to downpatch to one of the 3 patches anyways

[woven basin]

sick thank you

yeah just the standard 1.2.2.1

[knotty vigil]

yeah back up your saves

[harsh condor]

that was unexpected (RTA)

the game timer says 56:46

[graceful zealot]

In seconds 😎

[true palm]

in game timer doesnt count pause time

its also notoriously bad on older patches

[woven basin]

using mods is not allowed in speedruns, correct?

like at all?

[cosmic perch]

Correct

With one exception being individual level runs like pantheons or path of pain etc.
Edit: with these only one mod is allowed which is MiniSavestates

[stable moon]

Mods are still not allows for those, there is a modified assembly you can use

Using modding api (and therefore real mods) is never allowed

(Except for modded categories ofc)

[woven basin]

ok thank you guys

[woven juniper]

Just managed to clutch it out on my second run that i've ever done 😄

[supple lagoon]

are there tips to practise tricks

[stable quarry]

A trick in particular or just in general?

Eiter way savestates are great.

[supple lagoon]

in general

[stable quarry]

I just try a bunch, then watch someone else (uchally better) do it and see if they do anything different. Then implement that to see if it makes it easier or faster.

[coral shore]

Also, once you get it, you might want to look whether you can find any visual clues for certain actions. It isn't always applicable, but sometimes helps

Or for example time something using other actions. Like nail slash certain amount of times before jumping or something along those lines

[stable quarry]

Or just copy what others do

[lyric flower]

Hello........

[stiff delta]

it wont be

[coral shore]

ok TK

just run better ruleset honestly

[stable quarry]

Ori and the blind forest is fun to speedrun? Does it even have glitches?

[steady lynx]

Simo calling Ori a metroidvania

[stable quarry]

It isn't?

I though it was a broad term...

[steady lynx]

It's a bit of a meme

Some tryhards try to say its not when there's not a definition

It's kinda like NMG runners calling meme categories arbitrary

[stable quarry]

Oh ok lol

For some reason I feel compelled to check the pins...

[steady lynx]

It's just two boomers doing self promo

[coral shore]

There is a oob glitch I was able to predict during my casual playthrough lol

[true palm]

Visual cues are really OP for general movement and strats, like knowing where to cyclone drop in 1xx, focus on how to get to the spot you need to be and how to know when to do something

This can apply to several things like shadeskips and stuff, like knowing where to jump and how many times to jump for TE shade skip

For tight timings that you can't setup, like jumps for a fireball skip or a slopeball or an inv drop on LP, focus on trying to be late and early on the skip the same amount (this doesn't apply if the tricks more punishing if ur early or late, you'll want to account for that by just avoiding the most punishing outcome completely usually

Another key part is fundamentally understanding what makes the trick work and how to see why you missed it. For example, with aspid double spike, you can see where the spike lands to see if you hit the spike high enough. Knowing what and why stuff works/fails, and how to measure yourself on it is one of the most important concepts to improving at anything period

In terms of practice, for mentally intensive things like bossfights, too much time will have diminishing returns, take breaks and vary your practice, but spend enough time to actually improve, focus on 15-60 min practice sessions. Mindless stuff like skips where it's just predetermined inputs you can grind a bit longer or shorter.

Last step, once you've learned stuff you need to become consistent, this is where just warming up with tricks and bosses before doing attempts can be effective. Make sure to spend a little bit of time every once in a while to stay fresh.

Sorry for wall of text

[stable quarry]

Wdym that was a great wall

[supple lagoon]

I can start running now

but if I play with a controller on steam? I should submit to pc leaderboard right

[knotty vigil]

yeah

plenty of speedrunners play on controller

[verbal stag]

they even kinda have mms

[stable quarry]

Huh

[simple vine]

somebody give me something to speedrun

somethign that takes under an hour

[rapid nest]

csc

[coral shore]

any% all glitches

[simple vine]

k

[coral shore]

(unironically tho, you won't be able to learn any of those in under an hour most likely. Well, you might be able for any% ag, but most likely no)

[weary root]

Eat me too%

[rapid nest]

kings pass ils take under an hour to learn

[coral shore]

years to perfect tho

[rapid nest]

me omw to get kp world record on my first playthrough

[nova zenith]

Anyone got tips for watcher knights? I can’t for the life of me beat them within 20 minutes of try after try

[simple vine]

have you done the chandelier trick

[nova zenith]

Yes I have

[simple vine]

what charms?

[nova zenith]

Shaman stone

That’s it

I’m doing Any% NMG

[simple vine]

ok

[nova zenith]

I Just suck with how they do different attacks when they are in the same place

[simple vine]

tbh im really shit at speedruns so idk

[nova zenith]

Like a bounce and a roll, and I can’t dodge it

And there’s almost no time for healing so like-

[coral shore]

any% wk is hard, it's understandable to struggle with them.

[simple vine]

ask one of the pros for tips

i cant do a any% run

[coral shore]

https://youtu.be/Oc-_Vg-Y8ME

[simple vine]

any meme speedruns?

[steady lynx]

Nosk%

[stable moon]

yeah all of them

except csc that’s a real speedrun

[arctic orbit]

Any% Current Patch, All Skills Current Patch, and True Ending Current Patch

[stable quarry]

Your telling me I'm a meme ty

[arctic orbit]

lmao

[near nova]

I feel offended but I kind of agree

[stable quarry]

I mean meme cats rock

[near nova]

Trueeeeeeeee

When dod you start running nmms?

[stable quarry]

Before I started running PoP

I run it a lot on and off

My first run on the leaderboard was 19 August

(NMMS)

[steady lynx]

All Skills is the best meme category for main board enjoyers

[elfin nebula]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/5102047032317532259/381A6F7B3625DB48889EB669D30294BBB18F7AAA/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

idk if it's a lot

[near nova]

Whaaaaat

My first time was 1:45 thats crazy good

[stable quarry]

My first all skills run was 1:42

Tecnically secound, but first recorded

[elfin nebula]

nice, my first run was 1:37

[elfin nebula]

it's my second run

[stable quarry]

I am qurius to what the 4% diverting from the standard route is

[elfin nebula]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[arctic orbit]

what stuff did you get that didn't follow the main route?

[stable quarry]

I assume a nail uppgrade maybe shadesoul that's 2%

[coral shore]

is norman 2 not a %?

[stable quarry]

Idk

Don't think so

I would assume catcher aswell so 3% for nail 1, catcher and shadesoul

[coral shore]

yeah, norman 2 isn't a %

so is norman 1 apparently

[stable quarry]

They could be doing dive route and get dive, ddark, catcher and nail1 which would be 4%

[elfin nebula]

grubs, descending dark

[stable quarry]

Did you get theese @elfin nebula

[coral shore]

You forgot that soul master is 1% as well

[stable quarry]

Right

So no nail 1 then

I mean nail 1 would be nice for soul master...

[elfin nebula]

i got dive, ddark, catcher and grubs
without nail upgrade

[stable quarry]

Grubby

[elfin nebula]

[stable quarry]

Patch 1578?

[elfin nebula]

yea

[stable quarry]

QGA or deepnest

[elfin nebula]

qga

[slow glacier]

I imagine this gets asked alot but if I've never done a speedrun before how rough is HK and which category would you recommend I look into? I'm used to a decent amount of skips from playing rando but I wouldn't say I'm great when it comes to combat

[weary root]

Sounds like you should try out All Skills
Has a decent number if skips; the spike tunnel and acid skips to isma's, and dark rooms in cpeak and deepnest being the most notable ones that might require practice.
It has a few more boss fights than any% for example but you have upgraded spells for pretty much all of them so they're a lot easier comparitively

[slow glacier]

Thanks I'll check it out ^^

[supple lagoon]

is there a pantheons practise file that isn't seeker?

[knotty vigil]

do you want one with a certain number of masks?

[supple lagoon]

9

and 112% if possible, thxs

[supple lagoon]

oh and also include zote

[knotty vigil]

here take mine

you might wanna open it with benchwarp installed or else it might break

[supple lagoon]

ah ok thxs

[coral shore]

why not seeker tho? genuinely interested

[supple lagoon]

it looks ugly, that's all

[rapid nest]

seeker is pretty

steel soul > seeker > regular

ui tier list

[coral shore]

strong agree tbh

[fair ingot]

I’m looking into starting to speedrun, what’s the difference between 1.2.2.1 and current patch?

[steady lynx]

There's a lot

1221 has speedtech like lever skips and can skip some cutscenes
But it also runs worse

A lot of enemies just behave slightly differently

THK is considered more difficult on later patches

Uumuu 2 cycle is... that's just bullshit regardless of patch

On 1.5 WK can do the backroll attack which TC removed by accident between 1214 and 1432

The fireball despawns closer to the Knight if you shoot it offscreen

Inventory drops are harder on 1.3+

[fair ingot]

Ah alright thank you

I’ll try and find a more in depth list online somewhere

[steady lynx]

1221 also just can't use slopeball but yeah, that's pretty much what I could remember right now

I was gonna make a list of every change in every patch a few months ago but then I played Stardew instead

[fair ingot]

Slopeball?

Ah nvm

[steady lynx]

Shooting a fireball at a slope so it slopes

[arctic orbit]

Strongly disagree

normal > ssoul > seeker

[hasty glade]

guys i figured out a game breaking speedrun strategy

[last cove]

try inventory dropping on to vengeful spirit

it gives u early control on current patch with QOL but i haven't tested it on 1221

[weary root]

yeah it works on earlier patches

[last cove]

thx

is it a major glitch

tho

[weary root]

lets you skip the whole segment of getting stuck in mound

yeah it's considered major

[last cove]

dam

n

oof

[weary root]

has been used in glitched categories though

[last cove]

o

nice

[weary root]

not sure if it's used in any of the current routes

[last cove]

o

[weary root]

oh no wait any% nmms definitely does something like this, they use it to get control during the pickup and then quit out stright away

[coral shore]

Hundo nmms uses it

[weary root]

I feel like AG runs just don't get vs

[coral shore]

I'm trying to remember whether as ag does get vs pr goes straight to shade soul

[weary root]

pretty sure as just gets wraiths for lvl1 spells

[cyan frigate]

Anyone got a path of pain save ?

or know where i can find one

[cosmic perch]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/resources bottom half of the saves section

[cyan frigate]

ty

[prime current]

hey

how the crystal dash in a min local work?

to speedrun

like do the dash in a local like this

[knotty vigil]

What

[rapid nest]

[prime current]

this thingy, he is crystal dash in this local

[stable moon]

There is a wall there, if you look with hitboxes it makes more sense

[knotty vigil]

this is the first room in the ismas skip isn't it

or 2nd if you count the spike tunnel before

ive seen this in speedruns, there's supposed to be a lever here that i can hit from this side

[sacred thunder]

Yeah there is, but hitting it is only possible on old patches

Mainly 1.2.2.1 the patch where any% is ran on

[coral shore]

1221 is actually the only patch where that lever is hittable

[sacred thunder]

Really ? Wonder how tc ended up doing that lol

[stable quarry]

@coral shore do you know when watchers stopped being invunrable while bouncing and rolling?

[coral shore]

iirc 1214 was the last patch when they were invulnerable. Either that, or it was the patch when they became vulnerable. But I think it's the first

[wraith trellis]

According to the wiki, in 1213 they made them vulnerable to spells while bouncing/rolling, and since it's labelled "beta" I guess that means the official update that changed that was 1214

[knotty vigil]

1211

[coral shore]

oh, ok. thanks

[coral shore]

1211 doesn't exist and can't hurt me

[true palm]

1211 is after 1214 I thought lol

[coral shore]

1211 is the first grimm troupe patch

then 1210

or rather, then 1211 and then 1210

[true palm]

1213 is beta though

Apparently

And we don't allow beta patches on the boards

And 1211 is allowed

I swear it was 1213 then 1211 1210 1211

[steady lynx]

The order is 1211, 1211, 1210, 1214 and 1221

[true palm]

Where is 1213

[steady lynx]

It was between 1210 and 1214 but a beta

[true palm]

Ah ic ic

That makes sense

[wraith trellis]

1211 isn't even on the wiki

[coral shore]

good

[steady lynx]

If we allowed betas I'd be all over 1428

[stable quarry]

We don't?

[steady lynx]

Imagine trusting the wiki

[true palm]

We don't

First allowed 1.5 patch is 1568

[stable quarry]

What is so special about it?

[true palm]

1565 and lower are banned

[steady lynx]

Doesn't even know which 1.0 patches were betas

[steady lynx]

It's pretty exactly 1432 but with claw early control and leg eater jank

[coral shore]

so basically 1424 but actually good

[steady lynx]

Would be good for GE

[true palm]

1424 has absrad hp and God tamer unlock

Which 1428 likely doesn't have

[stable quarry]

So the same as 1424 but has legeater jank?

[true palm]

And claw early control

[coral shore]

? 1424 has legeater jank

[steady lynx]

1427 changed Uumuu and Godtamer unlock

1428 nerfed absrad

I still don't agree with nerfing absrad, it's supposed to be difficult

There's like no reason to keep track of all this

Still want to know why the wiki claims 1217 is a full release

[arctic orbit]

If you want to see a run that proves this, https://youtu.be/SjZtymyXg3w

This run was done on 1214

[wraith trellis]

Thanks, I don't think I've seen a run on this patch before, and we have their recent 1211 video for comparison

[vale viper]

hello!
i am the speedrunning hornet
you have been going for a while. why don't you pause and have a glass of water?
and it looks like you dropped your crown 👑
you got this! now carry on! i'm proud of you :>

[neat skiff]

where can i find a pantheon safe file t speedrun ?

[wraith trellis]

There are several files listed here, including a 112% and a godseeker file https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/resources

[neat skiff]

thanl you

[unborn hull]

I'm allergic to watah

[lilac sentinel]

I've played on 1432 switch and PC versions both and have noticed some differences. Mainly the input lag and less bouncy physics on switch. But for some reason the enemys move slower on the switch version. Anyone know why? My best guess is that switch is capped a 30 fps for most games.

[coral shore]

flying enemies move slower on lower fps

[steady lynx]

Watcher Knight is probably the hardest boss to pin down exact strats for

General idea is to double/triple hit in rolls and hoping they don't go for bounces

The people in the pinned server are actually good at any%, ask them

[arctic orbit]

I mean, some of the best runners are in this server

Like gwonkee’s still in this server

And realsdf

And most importantly, marcus

[pliant carbon]

my best speedrun of hk was a month long

[vagrant warren]

Lots of runners are still here, but only don't leave just to preserve their legacy Speedrunner role LOL

[steady lynx]

Is the speedrun staff role even still there?

May still has it, nice

[knotty vigil]

Xero still has it

Think he’s the only one with just that

[steady lynx]

homothety never got it?

Idk if Nerf even is in this server

[knotty vigil]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I’ve only seen xero with it for as long as I’ve been here (and may)

[steady lynx]

Time to get src mod just so I can fool Simo into giving me the role so I can look cool

(This is a joke)

[knotty vigil]

I’m ngl, speedrun staff has a spicy role color

[sacred thunder]

And then you have the obscure roles that I’ve only seen on benji and xero like "speed racer" or "smtsmt bingo"

[steady lynx]

Colette has speedrun racer and randomizer racer

[versed furnace]

00

[split snow]

112% in 8 hours, I think that I can do it better

[scenic prairie]

so i have a xbox 360 controller from 1 year ago so will it work with hollow knight before i buy a new controller

[scenic prairie]

yo i know you can do 10x better

[sacred thunder]

Strictly impossible, at least in the no major glitches ruleset but whatever

Also if you want a better answer you would need to be a bit more precise "one year old Xbox 360 controller" is not precise at all

Plus it can depend on a ton of other factor that which we don’t know (where you got your game, your OS and other shit potentially)

[split snow]

Thanks you, I will try my best

[glad gazelle]

https://youtu.be/fuBWMK1XVt8 is this known?

pretty cool skip

[coral shore]

yes, this is a major glitch. You actually could just leave the room at certain timing and skip the thing entirely

Thanks for sharing your discovery tho! Feel free to send more stuff if you find it

[arctic orbit]

I just asked mods for it and I got it lmao

Because mods are very nice and cool

The old chats have so much cool stuff tho

[verbal stag]

<@&283547423706447872>

[mystic forum]

thanks

[vagrant comet]

Hii im new to hk speedrunning but im really interested in doing like a 100%
I just wanna know what you can and can not have , like are skins allowed in speedruns and things like enemy hp bars?
Like i said im new to this so sorry if this is a dumb question 😭

[coral shore]

This isn't a dumb question!

Having mods or even modding api itself isn't allowed for speedruns (unless it's a specific category that goes onto modded boards)

For Hollow Knight there are multiple max completion categories. 100% TE (played on patches before 1.2), 106% TE + NKG (played on 1.2), 107% AB (played on patches 1.3+) and 112% APB (played on patches 1.4+)

If you want help with question about your category, or general tips: you can join server that is pinned in this channel. People there are friendly and are ready to help!

[vagrant comet]

Oh ok thanks !

[steady lynx]

Gonna start running 112 on 1424 just so this is wrong

[coral shore]

oh. I thought this was actually limited to 1432+

my bad

like by the ruleset

[steady lynx]

Setting a patch limit to just the NMG variant of a category is immensely stupid imo

Looking at you P5BO

[stable quarry]

You atchally have a legit reason to have it though other than "I want it" lol

[stable quarry]

Are you telling me a 3 hour 112% apb isn't 10 times better than a 8 hour 112 apb? Your cool so I'm allowed to ping you right?

@ Mickely#3333 got mad when I pinged them

[sacred thunder]

I’ll let it pass

(I don’t care when the ping is warranted (aka when it’s not in the middle of a conversation))

[trim shard]

-no anime pfps
-no one insulting
-so many helpful people

Ive never seen such a chad community

[digital jewel]

boo

[steady lynx]

I'll literally get an anime pfp just to prove you wrong

[coral shore]

Xero scaring me so I start crying

Xero bully

[steady lynx]

We're all secretly afraid of Xero

[river citrus]

Just finished first any% run. Ended up having to grind out hollow knight boss attempts during the run. Now that I know i can beat it, im hoping for better than 1:40 on hollow knight split 💀

new to this server btw

[coral shore]

you can definitely do better! I believe in you

[arctic orbit]

True true

[stable quarry]

On my way to say 1:40 seems really fast. Wait 1 hour not 1 minnute

[dusky sequoia]

[vestal nexus]

Hey guys

[steady lynx]

Oh Menderbug

I think I killed you by accident in one of my recent runs, sorry about that

[vestal nexus]

How could you

I just fix signs

now the sign is forever broken

everytime you see the broken sign, remember what you did

[steady lynx]

You're just lucky you're not required for the Hunter's Mark

[vestal nexus]

0o0

[steady lynx]

Or am I the lucky one?

[vestal nexus]

your lucky

[steady lynx]

1/50 chance is a bit rough

[vestal nexus]

mhm

...

im ogrim now

[median wedge]

is this true?

[steady lynx]

Sure, why not

[rapid nest]

mantis claw 2

[steady lynx]

I like how it ends by going to Greenpath

Nice reference to how many runs die there

[rapid nest]

petition to make enter greenpath the end of the game

[weary root]

Almost as good as vs 2

[steady lynx]

Alright Eisog, nothing can ever be better than vs 2

[weary root]

Oh boy do I have news for you

I said almost gusten

[hot sand]

I think you could skip The Collector, but the rest looks fine

[steady lynx]

Fighting the Collector is important for the easiest Grub dupe ever

Seriously, any casual reading this who wants to mess around, kill the Collector, break the two rightmost Grub jars, leave and reenter the room

[proud needle]

am I off topic if I ask you guys something about submitting a no-hit in team hitless?

[weary root]

yeah team hitless have their own ruleset, not sure where to ask about that but there's not a lot of crossover with speedrunning

[proud needle]

ok ok

thank you anyways

[round oxide]

Can I suggest a meme speedeun idea

[weary root]

You can

[round oxide]

HazardPogo%

Pogo every spike variant, saw, and that thing that goes up and down in white palace.

Just variant, not each individual object.

(also radiance spikes)

[arctic orbit]

Too much

Basically the same level as grass%, except more

Oh wait nvm

Didn’t see “variant”

But yeah that’s not very fun

[stable quarry]

Just run TE

[arctic orbit]

[steady lynx]

Would acid pogo count

[solid wigeon]

Forgot Collector is in crossroads, damn

[arctic orbit]

A1uba

[solid wigeon]

SoP%

[velvet bluff]

XEKARXH

[modern gate]

can someone compress the any% route for me or tell me where to find it

[weary root]

what patch are you on?

[modern gate]

recent'

[weary root]

on pc?

[modern gate]

switch

[weary root]

do you want to fight thk with spore shroom?

[modern gate]

no

[weary root]

https://pastebin.com/zKke8sDC

[modern gate]

thx

[stable quarry]

It doesn't save nor loose any time so people does it because they are people

Yes it is but on average it looses time for humans. Because it's really hard

Yeah, untill it gets dash

No Main Menu Storage (aka the most broken glitch in the game)

It is, that is the compleation I have after any%

Glitches

[coral shore]

not even 1% smh

[stable quarry]

Nmg any% is like 16% iirc

[coral shore]

low% nmg is 11 iirc

low% nmms is 2%

and low% ag is 1%

[stable quarry]

Show off ♤♤

[coral shore]

you can watch mine (or Staxis's run, that one is definitely more impressive, and is wr)

[stable quarry]

Just don't watch my any% NMMS pb because it's bad...

And I haven't gotten to beating it

Good because I do enough of that myself

Myself

[coral shore]

yeah. It's a route thing

in general runs are about the same quality, but I am doing a route that is actually enjoyable

[stable quarry]

Allmost like the route came after your run

[coral shore]

it was known before

I just didn't feel like making a run worse than it was

But Staxis did feel like getting rekky back

[stable quarry]

They are talking to me. Yes I will take honor for Python's pb

[coral shore]

I'm kinda happy that at least now there isn't that much conscious timeloss we take

[stable quarry]

Super slide I assume

Glitch make knight go zoom

[coral shore]

on earlier patches (before 1.3 I think) if enemy hits a ceiling the game thinks that it was you who hit the ceiling, and stops your jump

[weary root]

missed superslide yeah

[stable quarry]

I think that is like any object tbh

[coral shore]

yeah

oh yeah. some of those are good. (don't look at whatever my pb does, that early game was insanely bad)

that's like... every category right

[stable quarry]

That is pretty standard

Unless it's TE, GE or a meme cat

[coral shore]

It's just to see how long thk fight takes

[stable quarry]

I think TE has a split inbetween iirc

(And THK split is called radiance for some obscure reason)

[coral shore]

I can explain most of it. The reason you get float is because you interrupt mask shard pick up animation, which gives you float.

When warping back to kings path, we do something called room dupe. Basically you load 2 rooms at the same time, which causes both of them to exist (they are aligned at bottom left corner generally).

We use a float that we kept all the way from mask shard to go up to a horizontal transition to howling cliffs (it exists on earlier patches). It loads you at the bottom of that big room in howling cliffs, which is also bottom of the dirthmouth. This is why it looks like we are under floor. Then we go back through that horizontal load, and we end up above stag nest

Then we get something that's called "fake hardsave". Basically, by S&Q from a Kings Path exit hardsave, but having room without actual hardsave as "active" room, we get this strange state, in which the game is really confused if you load that file, since it doesn't know where to put you

The thing is, if you room dupe a fake hardsave room on top of room with actual hardsave, you will warp to the actual hardsave in that room. This is how we skip Uumuu and get straight to Monomon

And for THK fight, it's again just a room dupe and using explosions to kill THK

Room dupes are known for quite a bit, but I would imagine it took some time to find them. Fake hardsave/bench is a relatively new concept from my knowledge. I would have to ask Staxis about how long it took him to figure out this specific dupe to get fake hardsave thingy, but knowing him - not long

not hard no. Well, getting to archives bench is frame perfect, this is why I go to Queens Station in my run. And it's relatively easy to die to thk quickkill, at least it felt like it when I first found it.

Shade skip is kinda bs but not too bad

[rancid musk]

Hi guys so I started running A1uba% recently but when I kill the Aluba livesplit doesn't split

[verbal stag]

make sure you have end triggering autosplit checked

it's in the autosplitter settings

[azure root]

hi guys

[rancid musk]

Thank you man, that worked

Hi

[true palm]

hello

[hexed cedar]

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

There are no ranks on this server.

[stable moon]

?rank randomizer racer

[sick raven]

There are no ranks on this server.

[wicked trench]

Yeah 👍🏼
I don't remember if it's frame or pixel, or if it was 1 or 2
But yeah, you cannot press it when you want, you can only as you start to fall from a platform

[stable quarry]

It's frame perfect

[coral shore]

physics frame perfect to be exact. Meaning 1/50 of a second

[tepid ember]

Anyone know the name of the 1221 tas software?

[knotty vigil]

LibTAS?

[tepid ember]

Ok that's probably it thanks

[modern gate]

how do u do seeer skip

[knotty vigil]

Really hard on current patch apparently

Or lp

[sacred thunder]

You open the menu soon after the text about the dreamnail fades out

It’s actually quite easy

Well

You can easily skip the dialogue she says, but going all the way to the transition is hard

And by menu I mean the pause menu not your inventory

[modern gate]

thx

[knotty vigil]

Yeah on 1221 you can just spam the dash button and you’ll leave the transition on lp you have to time every input for no reason

[tepid ember]

does anyone know if you can pogo ooma cores without them exploding in any patch? i wondered bc explosion pogo seems to leave the projectile intact in fire's wr vid for a sec so idk if it works the same with oomas

[true palm]

No

Ooma cores explode from any damage source or collision

Except on 1211a they just don't explode or follow you iirc

[coral shore]

1211 X smh

[supple lagoon]

how do you set up auto splits?

and do I need to uninstall scarab? or just not use mods?

[verbal stag]

hksplitmaker.com

[verbal stag]

if you want to submit runs to the leaderboard then you can't have any mods or even the modding api installed

[supple lagoon]

how do I uninstall it?

[verbal stag]

there's a button in scarab that does it but a lot of the time it doesn't work, so the other method is to verify the game files

[supple lagoon]

how do I reset luvesplit?

livesplit

nvm

[supple lagoon]

what are the recording quality requirements for any%?

[weary root]

patch number needs to be readable when you show title screen at the start
Ideally no long or frequent frame drops

it's pretty lenient as long as we can tell what's happening

[true palm]

if you keep it above 480p patch number should be good

if ur internets bad try to local record so we have less frame drops or use dynamic bitrate

dont cover the HUD or patch number

game audio should be balanced enough to other sounds to where when we turn it up to a volume we can hear it we dont burst an ear drum from music

theres a list on speedrun.com

single segment, title screen must be shown, couple other thiangs

[supple lagoon]

is there a rule stating you can't google stuff and talk in discord in the run if the timer still runs?

[stable moon]

no, that’s fine

[supple lagoon]

so it can get verified

do I have to show main menu at the start?

yeah dang it

the run sucks anyways

[wicked trench]

many people make that mistake at the start (I was one of them è.è)
don't worry, you'll soon do one that will be better

[stable quarry]

Ooh the pizza finally came

[wicked trench]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-cohen-jerm-cohen-pizza-pizza-boxes-pizza-boy-gif-18456885

[craggy fox]

hey guys i cant find my Hollow Knight 1221 folder after downpatching, can someone help me find it?

[stuck raptor]

What method did you use

[manic kite]

Is 2:54 good, for a third Try?

[raw pebble]

this may be a dumb question but are skin mods allowed during speedruns

[manic kite]

Go to speedrun.com

And look at the rules

[formal bough]

you can't have modding api itself installed, so no

[grim oasis]

After getting monomon, what is the fastest way to herrah?

[arctic orbit]

Queens gardens

It’s the route we use in any%

[grim oasis]

Through green path?

[arctic orbit]

No

[grim oasis]

Fog canyon pass moss prophet

[arctic orbit]

No

Ok so

You exit archives

Then do QGA

And you’re in queens gardens

[grim oasis]

What is that again?

[arctic orbit]

https://youtu.be/g5luwk4f61o

[grim oasis]

I know the trick I didn’t know that was the name

[arctic orbit]

Yes, it’s called QGA

Widely considered the hardest skip in any%

[grim oasis]

Does dashing into the ledge help?

[arctic orbit]

Yes

Dashing into the ledge lets you more easily time the trick

The skip is very lenient if you dash

While simply jumping off the ledge gives you a much smaller window to start the cdash

[rapid nest]

also widely considered the only skip in any%

oh wait i cant say that anymore cuz rafters

[arctic orbit]

Fuck you

You could’ve at least counted shade skip

And epogo

And lever skip

And the greenpath fb skips

[rapid nest]

those are fake skips

shade skip is like mildly a skip

[arctic orbit]

You guys use your skips in randomizers

That’s literally a modded version of the game

You can’t talk shit

[arctic orbit]

Also if shade skip isn’t a skip, how is rafters a skip? Ping intended

[rapid nest]

because rafters has some level of difficulty

i need to make a skip tier list

[arctic orbit]

That doesn’t make it a skip

[rapid nest]

i mean it kinda does

[coral shore]

Not only randomizers

Just not main categories

[rapid nest]

low% is a main category

[coral shore]

oh yeah. I don't think Eridan means low% skips tho

[arctic orbit]

There’s literally no logic behind that

[arctic orbit]

QGA isn’t hard, but it literally lets you access a new area

Same with shade skip

Epogo gives you access to a new room, and a new route into mantis village

[rapid nest]

is entering fungal wastes from crossroads with dash a skip?

[arctic orbit]

No

[rapid nest]

it lets you access a new area

[arctic orbit]

It’s the intended route

[rapid nest]

proof?

[arctic orbit]

Proof: fuck you

stop shitposting

Im not sure if you’re trolling or not

[arctic orbit]

But I’ll assume you are because wtf is this argument

[stable quarry]

Rose is allways trolling

[woven fjord]

how to open inv midair to cancel the wait animation on long drops?'

using keyboard

[dire tinsel]

try open it when you at the edge and are about to fall off

[woven fjord]

ty

hard or easy to do?

[stable quarry]

Hard

Assuming your on 1432 or 1578. If your on 1221 you can do it at any time

[woven fjord]

i have latest

[mossy brook]

Then it's hard

[woven fjord]

ok

[mossy brook]

I believe you have 1 physics frame, so 1/50 of a second (correct me if wrong Ekkoet)

[woven fjord]

luck or skill?

[stable quarry]

A little bit of both

[woven fjord]

kk

[stable quarry]

You are ||right||

[woven fjord]

what version should i start speedrunning nmg

any%

[stable quarry]

Eiter 1221 or 1432 imo

Depends on if you want to run 1432+ or standard

[woven fjord]

no matter platform or only steam

[stable quarry]

1578 only if you have a bad pc

[stable quarry]

Steam is one of the few platforms where you can choose patch

[woven fjord]

xbox fine too?

[stable quarry]

For console boards yes, but they you'll be timing RTA and some strats that save time IGT loose time RTA

Also on xbox I don't think you can downpatch

[woven fjord]

I mean if i have it on xbox game pass can i use it there

guess ill buy it on steam then

[mossy brook]

Can you use it where?

[woven fjord]

i mean use other versions of the game

for speedrunning

[stable quarry]

Traitor Lord is being confusing

[stable quarry]

Nah the game pass gives you acsess to 1580 only

[woven fjord]

ok

[turbid wigeon]

you know when hornet throws the needle at you i try to jump to her and pogo to stay safe from it

[stable quarry]

Yeah?

[turbid wigeon]

like she winds up then i jump towards above her and then pogo to not make contact as well as be safe from the needle

does anyone else do that ?

[stable quarry]

I just jump over and hit her normally

[steady lynx]

Pogoing her is horribly slow

[turbid wigeon]

not just pogong

well it is safer for me

but you do you

[stable quarry]

Safety really isn't much of a consern in that fight as we sq right after.

[arctic orbit]

Yeah, safety isn’t a concern in hornet

Because hornet is free

Like

You just need to go fast and you’re good for hornet

[stable quarry]

Yeah even for routes that doesn't get vs it is reccomended to damage tank for more dps if possible

[arctic orbit]

If safety is a concern in hornet, I have no clue how you’ll survive any other boss

[steady lynx]

Running All Skills and using Descending Dark

It deals a lot of damage and gives you iframes

[stable quarry]

Then you have to do spiketunnel which is hard

[steady lynx]

All Skills 1432+

Where spike tunnel is free

[stable quarry]

I mean dashslash spiketunnel on 1221 is easier.

[arctic orbit]

Whenever someone says AS spike tunnel, I start shaking

[stable quarry]

I should run AS again