sk-lore

[whole holly]

i think it is supposed to illustrate world sense like ability

[vestal swan]

They dumped his ass for trying to mess with the ritual, they wouldn't know that if they didn't have eyes on him? If everybody was equally freed by this banishment other characters would have been left behind in the place where the banishment happened

[edgy nebula]

the difference is that these are soul runes and the grub drawing is more likely to be scribbles and scratchy words from tbe collector

[vestal swan]

Hornets is the only one that's really similar but I see where you're going with it

[whole holly]

Grubs are said to be able to find their way home too, so maybe Grub Sense exists?

[fading shard]

he didn't banish himself

[vestal swan]

I mean you can find your way home with just one or two of your senses especially with animalistic instinct

I wouldn't go so far as to call it a magical worldsense ability

[whole holly]

yea but i thought it would be akin to world sense/echolocation

[whole holly]

eehh, songs can have magic in this world, as well as crystals, and some neat stuff, i don't think biological ability has to be excluded from that list

[vestal swan]

No that's what I'm saying he was trying to free everybody because he thought they were tormented in the cycle, and they just left and he got freed.
It looks pretty obvious to me that they figured out what he was doing and just left him behind.

[vestal swan]

Huh

I mean they can have a good ability for finding their way home it doesn't have to be magical

[fading shard]

you're the first person to suggests this honestly

haven't seen anybody else have such an idea

[edgy nebula]

grubs have been shown to have innate magical abilities so it's possible but it's a redundant discussion

[vestal swan]

I thought more people agreed with me on Brumm being kicked out, I've said it for ages.

It's of course my opinion but it's what I take the course of events to mean

[foggy stratus]

Less kicked out and more so escaped it.

[whole holly]

true

[vestal swan]

I can see the possibility where he thought he was going to free everyone with his ritual and it only worked for himself, but the other way around just makes more sense to me

[whole holly]

i guess, but i think it is interesting to discuss it

[edgy nebula]

fair

[foggy stratus]

He seems to think that at least with his dreamnail dialoge.

[random harbor]

Brumm - Howling Cliffs - Dream Nailed near the Lantern

Master... are even you a slave? If so, let our chains be broken together!

@lexmolten used /npcs quest name: Brumm category: Howling Cliffs dialogue: Dream Nailed near the Lantern

[whole holly]

who does this refer to? grimm?

[foggy stratus]

Probably yeah.

The only other possible being he could mean is the Nightmare Heart, but I dont see that as a possibility tbh.

[whole holly]

me neither, unless they mean NMH's need to be sustained

[paper mantle]

Technically, the NH is also a slave

The Heart is a slave to its need, that of reaping the nightmare of ruined kingdoms
A slave to depending on a traveling circus that greets him with scarlet fire

[sinful nimbus]

The sad truth is that immortality is yoke, not crown

[limpid summit]

It is a difficult thing to explain simply

[edgy nebula]

I remain a daughter of yoke.

[sturdy arrow]

Why is Silksong's dialogue so intolerable

[sinful nimbus]

what about caretaker 🥺

[foggy fractal]

Do I almost feel true?

[foggy stratus]

In what ways(besides Slabflies)

[sinful nimbus]

Even if only your shadow remains, to release your mother's grip my blade would see it slain.

https://klipy.com/gifs/byuntear-lobo--k01KQTTHZNAQ3NEFMH6BR0VDQVM

[sturdy arrow]

It always feels so disjointed and doesn't take the story seriously.

Hornet's dialogue after killing Karmelita just dismisses it like it's normal.

Despite it being her first time killing an innocent person

[spark valve]

How TC felt dropping the daughter of Hallownest line

[sturdy arrow]

I hated this so much.

[spark valve]

Nah she has a history of that

[foggy stratus]

I'd say the Vessels were all innocent tbh.

[sturdy arrow]

What? When?

[spark valve]

She tried to kill Quirrel

[sturdy arrow]

They were trying to free the infection that was threatening the kingdom.

[sinful nimbus]

why did they write that

[sturdy arrow]

She didn't kill him

[sinful nimbus]

hype moments and aura

[foggy stratus]

They didn't do anything. She just assumed.

[sinful nimbus]

"Seek your wonders, but know you may find someone waiting" 🥀

[spark valve]

Ok but you understand the moral character of the act plus she says she’s been doin that

[sturdy arrow]

It's still out of character for her to do it to Karmelita

And Green Prince of course.

[foggy stratus]

My guy she was doing it to save the kingdom.

[sinful nimbus]

even gods fall

no you can kill karmelita as your 4th heart and there's unique dialogue for it

[sturdy arrow]

Not if it's the fourth heart.

[sinful nimbus]

It is a difficult thing to explain simply

[sturdy arrow]

I miss the Knight, a well written and consistent protagonist that doesn't kill innocent people for no reason.

[foggy stratus]

Menderbug:

[sturdy arrow]

If anyone brings up Menderbug I will

Okay I'm leaving bye

[sinful nimbus]

I have known your kind before, sir. Yours is a tribe that works and trades in power, and I am about to extinguish its prime source.
Once this is done, will you truly delight in a land so bereft?

ts tuff lowk rare Hornet W

[sturdy arrow]

What does this even mean?

The Shamans don't get power from Grand Mother Silk.

Silk is Soul, but she's not the only one who uses soul.

[spark valve]

She’s just stupid

[sinful nimbus]

idk what she's yapping about but "Yours is a tribe that tworks and trades in power" is tuff

if they uh gave shamans lore it would be better

[foggy stratus]

Really? I can't find it:/

[sinful nimbus]

This giant, old ant... Her death seems recent, but her presence here...
Was it her? Could it be? The strength that sustained these caves? If so, what will happen now?
Hornet: They will wither and fade... And you may sadly know it was my needle that brought her end.
You, miss? But why? Why destroy something so vital?
Hornet: It is a difficult thing to explain simply... A test was needed, to ensure my strength before a greater challenge soon to come.
Hornet: Know, in time, these caves may see opportunity to regrow, flourish even, though that rebirth is itself a task enormous... longer than a lifetime, many lifetimes.
Hornet: For that task to succeed, it will fall to bugs like you to sow the first seeds.

from Gilly

[foggy fractal]

if they added bugpipers it would've been better

[sinful nimbus]

many such cases

[sturdy arrow]

This is how it feels when older generations tell us we need to solve climate change.

[sinful nimbus]

It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till. What weather they shall have is not ours to rule 🥶

[spark valve]

Hornet is the oil baron in this analogy

[sturdy arrow]

Also I don't want to hear that Karmelita was close to death anyway, there's nothing that supports that

[foggy fractal]

im also a fan of these guys with the big round head on the left page

[sinful nimbus]

she's pretty visibly old but her dying wouldn't result in the death of the ecosystem if hornet didn't take the heart and put it on her wall

[spark valve]

It doesn’t even matter if she was close to death her dying isn’t what kills the caverns it’s hornet stealing the power to keep on her shelf

[sinful nimbus]

genuinely its so stupid and game-y that its hard to care

[spark valve]

Yeah but it’s funny

[sturdy arrow]

I'm all for Hornet slander but how do we know that

[spark valve]

It would’ve been so easy to just make her not take the extra heart but anyways gp is arguably worse

[sinful nimbus]

true

[sturdy arrow]

That it's the heart being taken and not Karmelita dying in the first place

[spark valve]

The heart power gets passed down when karm dies someone else would inherit it like karm did

[sinful nimbus]

"last successors to inherit their strength" or somehjing

GP is crazy cuz you don't even know he's a heart

[foggy fractal]

this makes me wonder if they'll ever explore previous owners
I highly doubt it though

[sinful nimbus]

The Voice from before Shellwood sprouted

Tuff

[foggy fractal]

that's tuff

[trail wagon]

True. Btw, where's she taken from?

[trail wagon]

Was FS imprisoned alive?

[trail wagon]

Cause otherwise it doesn't make sense

[spark valve]

Absolution not granted

[trail wagon]

She died inside prolly

But like

She's mummified

In a manner similar to how the other Weavers in shrines are

[spark valve]

Being an old corpse will do that to ya when you don’t have a fleshy outside

[trail wagon]

What's the point of being imprisoned if you dead

[spark valve]

they imprisoned her alive probably

[torpid frost]

u forgot the hk was imprisoned

also worth questioning if the weavers in the tombs (?) throughout silksong are alive or just dream projections too. maybe absolution is passing down your skills like the other weavers

skills and beliefs/knowledge

[craggy smelt]

It does sort of look like her tomb was ripped out of her burial spire and dragged there - it’s cracked, her corpse lopsided, citadel bits are drilled into it, etc

Does it make much sense? Not really

But these bugs are religious

[torpid frost]

maybe the sin was revealing the truth of weaver's true form to people who visited their tomb

tho kinda stretching it since we dont know if other bugs could hear the voice of weavers like hornet

[craggy smelt]

It might have just been that her sin was so great, they felt it necessary to confine and punish her even after her death

[torpid frost]

the issue then is why they didnt imprison when she was alive

if we believe that widow's mask and silk was taken by weavers. then i assume weavers can screw over other weavers. if not maybe the justification can be the first sinner was too powerful to screw over when alive

my personal theory would be that the tombs we see were started to be built before the citadel's myths were created by the weavers fully. and when the first sinner was buried she wasnt a trouble. but when weavers decided to turn themselves into a god like myth, first sinner just saying what weavers truly are to passing bugs became a problem. and her tomb was broken and imprisoned in the newly built slab

[craggy smelt]

Personally, I don’t think it was the Weavers that did it, but Silk and her haunted - FS was likely Atla and played a huge part in creating the Citadel, I don’t think she would later go around giving away the truth to pilgrims

[torpid frost]

the issue there is that first sinner wouldnt be angry at hornet if the citadel imprisoned her

[craggy smelt]

I think her attack is more like a test of worthiness- she’s like the first weaver, she’s not going to make it that easy for the so-called saviour

[torpid frost]

so its similar to how hornet challenged the knight at the cast off shell?

[craggy smelt]

I suppose yeah - no tears for a weakling, etc.

Hornet mentions to Eva that binding can be dangerous to her mind, it seems like FS was making a mental attack, testing her will

She lets herself be bound in the end when Hornet proves herself

[torpid frost]

i can see that somewhat but i'd have to refresh on FS' dialogue to know for sure

[lucid knot]

So... how or why did the Citadel's government commission the Ventrica--a transport system that inflicts such grave g-forces, it's straight-up too unsafe even for the Citadel's standards?

[torpid frost]

given hornet takes no damage no matter how big the fall tells u a lot. bugs are tiny so g forces have significantly low to no impact depending on its biology

weaver elevators are even faster

the ventricas also have a similar back structure to weaver crafts so maybe there's some weaver tech thing helping absorb forces

[fading shard]

you realize the envoys do tright

like you say that but that's hornet

not the other bugs

The envoys didn't even get killed by hornet

they died from fall damage

and you can see their bodies so that's just wrong

matey

[torpid frost]

uh, they all fall after being attacked by hornet and fell through tumbles of spikes and stuff throughout. one laying in bone bottom is on a spikey rock

enemies if they fall do not take damage as well. u can argue thats just gameplay

weaver elevator still works for weavers and hornet. so bare minimum weavers were using the ventricas which would be a good enough reason to build them anyways

i have no clue why u are using the tone "thats just wrong matey"

[pseudo narwhal]

I had a mental image that ventricas were forbidden not because they are dangerous per se but because bugs used them as a suicide booths to escape the service
Also ventricas connect the cradle and underworks with the rest of the Citadel, which also may become inappropriate at some point

[pseudo narwhal]

Well Hornet also took damage from that fall, like enough to knock her out and left in one hit
Maybe bugs are like cats, they can avoid fall damage if they have time to group and prep for landing, but otherwise falling is dangerous

[fading shard]

Hornet didn't attack them

she specifically breaks down the platform they were standing on

she didn't strike a single one of them

and you can see that all of them were alive whilst falling alongside us

and multiple of them fell on regular rocks

[pseudo narwhal]

Also Hornet is a demigod and more tough then a regular bug

[torpid frost]

opening cutscene has hornet attacking the platform but then goes to dark. there's room to assume the threads she used could've attacked the bugs there

there's nothing saying they were alive whilst falling as far as i can check

they fell through an area filled with spikes and dangers that could've damaged them further

hornet waking up damaged after the fall could just be damage she already had when captured

[pseudo narwhal]

Hornet also is waking up damaged after the fall in the beginning of act 3
But maybe she was hit by fallen rocks or smth

[torpid frost]

we do know that things falling on top do damage, so yea. the bugs that fell in the opening could've also been damaged by fallen things

we dont really know the sizes of the bugs or the places. for all we know all of pharlom is less than 1 meter squared

so the g forces wouldnt be that high if the area is small enough to not build too much acceleration

[pseudo narwhal]

I guess I heard somewhere that bugs are actually human sized
But it doesn't mean that gravity is the same as earth

[torpid frost]

i would be shocked if the bugs were human sized

[pseudo narwhal]

Well why

[torpid frost]

tho i suppose given the sizes of leaves and flowers, that could be true

[torpid frost]

dont think its lore or anything, just personal headcanon

[heavy gyro]

Precept Thirty-Eight: 'Beware the Mysterious Force'.
A mysterious force bears down on us from above, pushing us downwards. If you spend too long in the air, the force will crush you against the ground and destroy you. Beware!

[pseudo narwhal]

That's actually an argument!

[torpid frost]

ye

i do think even without gforces, the reason for ventricas to exist would just be weavers needed to get to places

and they can survive high gforces just fine

oh wait

architects could've built them too

to travel

[pseudo narwhal]

Hm also one of them ventricas is exactly near the architects workshop
And probably they needed to travel around quickly to maintain the things

[torpid frost]

yup, especially before cogwore core

there's also the wheel thingy in choral chambers that's clearly created after choral chambers was made

the mechanisms the wheel uses is similar to near architect's shop

ventricas use of steam hydraulics is similar to architect's chair using steam hydraulics

[fading shard]

that's just not true

theere are literal bug bugs

if what you said were true

additioally we literally have creatures inside the damn thing that stretch across the entire landmarks

that if they WERE bug sized would be human sized bugs

We even have the gods of thunder and rain

[pseudo narwhal]

Also weavers probably would use some sort of light tech same as for weavenest atla elevator for fast travel

[fading shard]

and the titanic corpses

[torpid frost]

big things existing doesnt prove or disprove anything

[fading shard]

bug bugs

we literally have bugs in the world that serve as the bug of our world

literally little pesky things that annoy them

the size of a near dot

[torpid frost]

could be, but i dont think there's any signs of it left

my assumption would be conductors covered it up long long ago

[torpid frost]

that also doesnt prove anything

[fading shard]

that literally makes no sense at all

[torpid frost]

u do know we have variety of sizes of bugs in real life right?

[fading shard]

you're implying that we have creatures at that atomic level

[pseudo narwhal]

Yeah that's why I think it's unlikely ventrica were built by weavers

[torpid frost]

1/50th the size of hornet wouldnt be atomic level

[fading shard]

there is no bugs that scale to one another to a human to them

[fading shard]

so you're saying we got bugs to the atomic level

[torpid frost]

yea

[fading shard]

congrats make that have any grains of logic

[torpid frost]

i dont think there's much to argue with u

[fading shard]

so you're saying we have bugs to the atomic level size

that's what you're saying right

[torpid frost]

im literally saying the opposite

[fading shard]

Clearly you ain't given you're saying they aren't human sized

but bug sized

[pseudo narwhal]

I guess sizes don't really matter? As far as everything is scaled and we don't have accidentally real humans in hk would it doesn't matter if bugs are bug sized or human sized or something in between

[fading shard]

the biggest insect bug is one that's 10 cms

[torpid frost]

yea im not arguing that bugs are any particular size, but that we dont really know

[fading shard]

so best case scenerio you have if you want to go by "real life logic"

because bug

would be 2 mm

[pseudo narwhal]

There were extinct dragonflies with a wingspan of 70 cm

[fading shard]

or well are extinct

[pseudo narwhal]

And stickbugs with body size of 50

[torpid frost]

see, historically, the earth has had gigantic insects. human size and all

the difference of size is proportional, not absolute. very small to a bug means relatively little difference to a larger creature like humans

no reason to assume hornet and other bugs are a few cm, and smaller creatures in mm (which exist in the real world). while big creatures are similar to gigantic insects of the past

at the end, we have no reason to be applying our universe' logic to sizes anyways

[fading shard]

so why are we having this debate

[torpid frost]

u started it

i just said we dont know the size

[fading shard]

The entie point is that the bugs like hornet are meant to be the humans or hollow knight

with all animals being bugs

[torpid frost]

who's point

[fading shard]

the games

there aren't even humans in hollow knight

[torpid frost]

and how did u come to that conclusion

[fading shard]

there aren't any other species that even exist

[fading shard]

we literally see jellyfish in game

[torpid frost]

we do not

[fading shard]

we do

[torpid frost]

that are umus

u are applying real world logic

when there's no reason to

[fading shard]

because there aren't any

[torpid frost]

..

ok

[fading shard]

this universe literally has a primordial substance called the void

quite literal gods that are deemed as ancient beyond belief

[fading shard]

we have literal divine entities that have to do with life itself

also literally everything in hollow knight is scaled to bugs, including the foliage

[fading shard]

so I heavily doubt all of pharloom is less then a meter squared

[candid linden]

deffo bigger than a meter

[dire lynx]

the only reason tc even made the characters bugs in the first place is because they are easy to draw lol

[pseudo narwhal]

I always thought it's because they are from Australia lol

[candid linden]

idt anyone with a fear of bugs is triggered by this game

[pseudo narwhal]

Deepnest looks like arachnophobic nightmare

But it's in the first game tho

[candid linden]

why did the weavers get smaller in deepnest

[twin schooner]

I heard a comment saying that they were basically like mutated and disfigured by the infection

which doesn’t sound far fetched, look at the enemies

[candid linden]

what happens if a weaver runs out of soul to make silk with

[twin schooner]

…they die?

[candid linden]

crazy

[twin schooner]

Weavers are so crazy op

[candid linden]

theyre limited

[twin schooner]

They had to be nerfed with “theyre all female woopsie daisy”

[candid linden]

also their power is limited

[twin schooner]

I know

[candid linden]

wait the king of dee0nest wasnt a weaver?

or did they only have a queen

o mean depenest

[twin schooner]

I mean one of the tablets say that their powers fading so they made guns

[twin schooner]

sonion pax…..

[candid linden]

what

whay is that

[twin schooner]

pale king was a wyrm

NOT a weaver

[candid linden]

I mean deepnest

king of deepnest

[twin schooner]

You’re talking about deepnest

[twin schooner]

We know fuckall about deepnest

[dire lynx]

there is more in deepnest than just weavers

[tall bobcat]

thats so true

[pseudo narwhal]

IIRC there is a lore tablet implying that once there was a sire of deepnest of higher caste, and he was Herrah's husband

Also I used to think that the Hunter was a weaver
But it seems not to be the case

[stoic harbor]

They just can't make any until they get more soul

[stoic harbor]

wasn't the leader of deepnest herrah? Though ig she only has rule over the distant village

[stoic harbor]

Damn

So deepnest used to be huge huge?

[candid linden]

how can they get more

[stoic harbor]

By hitting stuff

Like hornet does

[candid linden]

no

only hornet can do this because shes half pale

[stoic harbor]

really

[candid linden]

yes

[stoic harbor]

I didn't know this

Is it true?

[candid linden]

yes

[stoic harbor]

zamn

I must have missed that 😔

Where does it say 👀👀👀

[dire lynx]

herrah was an immigrant with no political power, she probably married the king of deepnest as part of an agreement with the original spiders during their(weavers) settlement

[stoic harbor]

I see

[fading shard]

still interesting they deem him of honoured cast

"Their dead sire, once of honoured caste."

[fading shard]

yo unn uh

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me a random enemy.

[foggy fractal]

Stilkin Trapper

[echo vapor]

have you done Palestag

feels like he would be eager to hunt it

[foggy stratus]

Not yet and I'm not fully sure how to do it. Actually I have an idea.

[echo vapor]

give it a shot

[foggy stratus]

"An intelligent, yet cowardly bug, hiding amongst the reeds and the bile of its home caverns. More nuisance than threat, with the damned spiked balls they rig up being more of a threat than them."-The Hunter

[foggy stratus]

"Allegedly, within a set of lost caverns somewhere within Pharloom, a 'being touched pale' once resided. Whatever it was, I would relish the opportunity to hunt and slay the beast, what ever it was."-The Hunter

[echo vapor]

thats neat. Imagine he actually came across the myth the had a taste of it

he'd definitely be thrilled to fight such a mythical creature

[foggy stratus]

"Yes, you shall do as an appetizer."-Sisyphus Prime The Hunter

[stark ocean]

do you have a document for all of your stuff? i need to bookmark it

[foggy stratus]

Yes.

I haven't updated it in a minute but soon I'll be on vacation and I'll probably update it then.

[echo vapor]

can you think of any other character that can write their own journal just like Hornet and Hunter ?

i could see the potential for Lace or Quirrel

[foggy stratus]

Cornifer and Shakra would probably write journals about the landscape around them. Sly would keep a records journal of his sales. Sheo would keep an art journal.

[echo vapor]

oooh

yeah Shakra would be so cool

a cartographer and a warrior at the same time

[midnight reef]

now we need one from the perspective of Nuu and from the Huntress! ;3

[foggy stratus]

I ain't doing allat.

[dire lynx]

haiii

[ashen bay]

are the clover dancers just 2 princes or are they like gay and in a relationship?

[stray grove]

The latter

[ashen bay]

hell yeah

tuff, sad that i had to kill them

thought the fight would be way harder

[stray grove]

Well one of them already died way before the events of the game

And you don’t actually have to kill Green Prince that’s the fun part

[ashen bay]

wasnt he dead when i woke up?

hes with tung now

[stray grove]

Well yeah you killed him

But you didn’t have to, it’s not a progression requirement for anything

[ashen bay]

at least hes with his boyfriend now, grief is sad n shi

[ashen bay]

i had to get the achievement

100%

i want all achievements at least in silksong, since i wont ever win p5

[stray grove]

The crazy part is Hornet actually has no real reason to kill him in universe

She invades his memories without his consent and he just tells her to leave because like wtf

Her response is to just murder the poor dude instead of giving him space

[ashen bay]

lol fr

and then she just tries to teach him shi

i was ashamed of myself

[stray grove]

Yeah she patronizes him and he calls her out on it

Hornet is kind of just a bad person

She potentially has no reason to kill Karmelita either but she still does “just because she can”

[lapis creek]

it's actually insane

[foggy fractal]

It is a difficult thing to explain simply...

[lapis creek]

she says that she needed to do it as a test, as if the inevitable outcome of that test is her tearing out karmelita's heart

[stray grove]

Hornet sees old people and sad people and assumes they would rather die so just murders them irrespective of the consequences

[lapis creek]

she doesn't even tell karmelita that she's going to kill her

[stray grove]

Except in GP’s case Verdania starts regrowing for some fucking reason and in Karm’s case the ecosystem is destroyed

Because TC can’t make their minds up

[lapis creek]

i mean she's fine with it if she does, but it's still funny

[stray grove]

I mean that’s implied

She needs her heart

[foggy stratus]

I would say she thinks because the PK killed all the Vessels for the greater good what she does is alright, but she fucking hates him and wouldn't think that at all. Hornet is just fucking evil for the sake of it tbh.

[dire lynx]

she also sees opressed people and decides eugenics is ideal

[lapis creek]

no i mean in the case that she doesn't

if she needs the heart, she explains it

and karm says go ahead

[stray grove]

When PK did it it actually was for the greater good, he traded a finite number of unborn Vessels for an indefinite number of conscious bugs

[stray grove]

Hornet has no reason to kill GP or Karm if she already has the hearts

It’s not for the greater good

She just does it for the sake of it and in doing so countless other lives are lost (in Karm’s case)

[foggy stratus]

She has no reason to kill GP period. He tells her to piss off and she doesnt.

[dire lynx]

theres no reason to kill any fourth heart lol

[stray grove]

No but at least Nyleth and Khann are already dead

So the damage is pretty minimal

[dire lynx]

they arent

[stray grove]

They are

[foggy stratus]

If they were dead their hearts wouldn't work.

[dire lynx]

no

[stray grove]

They are dead their memories are just preserved

[dire lynx]

no

[stray grove]

Khann died with his domain we see his corpse and Nyleth’s shrine is where her memory is accessed because it’s where she was worshipped

[dire lynx]

khanns species turns to crust when they die

[stray grove]

The Shamans say about as much

[stray grove]

Oh it’s this shit again

[dire lynx]

which only happens after we take the heart

[stray grove]

Do you seriously think Khann is alive and conscious

[dire lynx]

and sister splinter says nyleth is sleeping

[stray grove]

Well yeah what do you think that means in context

[foggy stratus]

Hes just dehydrated like the Watcher at the Edge.

[stray grove]

We literally see the circumstances that lead to the acquisition of her heart they’re not ambiguous

[dire lynx]

This land is ours, now!
By our claws, none but us now!
Sisters, sisters, so long gone!
Other, other, sleeping deep...
Creeping, creaking...

[foggy stratus]

He even still has Needolin Dialogue.

[stray grove]

So do corpses? That’s not evidence of anything

It’s dream shit

[dire lynx]

every karakan turns to crust upon death, and yet khann does not until you take his heart

[stray grove]

Sister Splinter thinks Nyleth is asleep because she’s unaware of her exact whereabouts but we know she’s dead from the very obvious context clues surrounding her heart
Khann not being crusted isn’t evidence, that he fully crusts upon his heart being acquired doesn’t mean he’s alive beforehand be so fr

[dire lynx]

"lets just make stuff up"

son

[stray grove]

Star you can have this one I need to go to Nando’s

[sinful nimbus]

Every husk corpse turns invisible upon death except for this guy 🤔

He's alive on god

[dire lynx]

?

[sinful nimbus]

The corpses disappear

I think he's alive

[stray grove]

Silksong fans can’t be real

[foggy stratus]

"Make'em beat' fierce and final." You wouldn't say "final" if they were already dead.

[foggy fractal]

just taking a nap

[lapis creek]

tbf i dont think anybody is saying khann is conscious

[stray grove]

This guy is alive

[lapis creek]

theyre going for like vegetable or something

[stray grove]

Doesn’t matter he’s obviously dead if you want crust we can see crust

And if you’re claiming vegetative state that’s analogous to death who cares

What a pointless distinction to make in the context of me saying “at least in Khann and Nyleth’s case the damage is minimal”

[dire lynx]

yeah, in a dehydrated state wating for water to come back. as seen several crustaceans and other inverterbrates

[sinful nimbus]

Is there any evidence for this I don't really recall this being true of any karak resident

[dire lynx]

of what

[stray grove]

He is literally crusted over the whole exploding into crust bits might only happen when they’re killed violently you’re the one making shit up now

[stray grove]

I’m sorry this is very obviously a corpse

[dire lynx]

watcher?

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah but watcher gets up and moves in response to the needolin and khann does not

[stray grove]

lmao?

Goofy ahh

Watcher also doesn’t look like that Khann’s literally crusted over and decayed

[foggy fractal]

hes a deep sleeper

🤔

[lapis creek]

apparently, the people who youre arguing with

and theres a meaningful distinction between stealing a heart from a coma patient vs from a corpse isnt there

[sinful nimbus]

he's not coming back 💔

[stray grove]

Not really if they’re brain dead

And it’s a magic heart that keeps beating indefinitely so whether they’re dead or brain dead is a meaningless distinction

[foggy fractal]

lets make up a better memento instead of the fuckass 4th heart

maybe another boss one?

[foggy stratus]

Weavers Momento. Its just Weaversong.

[foggy fractal]

hm...

a weaver memento would be nice

[stray grove]

Anyway Khann is very obviously dead it’s not the same situation as the Watcher regardless and Nyleth is also clearly very dead

[foggy stratus]

Nyleth is Shellwood. If she was dead, most of Shellwood would have withered away by now.

[stray grove]

Sure she’s “alive” in the abstract sense since Shellwood is an extension of her but Nyleth herself is dead

And no her heart still sustains Shellwood, the power was always there she just inherited it

[foggy fractal]

actually theres already a few boss mementos
maybe another parkour one would be better

[stray grove]

Another Seth memento where you have to get 999 in everything

[foggy fractal]

🥹 better than 4th heart at least

[sinful nimbus]

what if beating bosses actually rewarded you 🤔

crawfather W

[foggy fractal]

what if beating bosses gave you a rosary chest 🤔

[lapis creek]

yeah, in a dehydrated state wating for water to come back. as seen several crustaceans and other inverterbrates
based on this i think they are thinking of the kind of coma that you can recover from

i dont see any evidence of that

but it would be nice to frame the argument properly at the very least

[stray grove]

I mean I already addressed why that was incorrect

If you’re insisting upon him being in a vegetative state the only viable explanation is it’s one there’s no coming back from

Therefore a meaningless distinction

[lapis creek]

my impression is that brain death and vegetative state are mutually exclusive so this seems like a weird approach to me but i guess it's just a semantics thing at this point

im also not sure if it's considered ethical by default to withdraw life support from a person in a permanent vegetative state (if they are not brain dead) but I'll look into that later

[stray grove]

In the context of a fantasy game not really

Semantics are important idk what this is

The distinction is that brain death refers to brain stem death that’s not really very important

[frank dove]

Did you try watering him

Gray memento says "...Watch...Remember...Till time... Life anew..."

I'm not saying this is firm evidence pointing either way, but makes it seem more like they can wake up considering they aren't dead

[ashen bay]

what happened to seth? i fought him, but now that i met him again, its like he doesnt even remember fighting at all

[fading shard]

She is genuinely a bad person

[fading shard]

Hornet just sucks and is evil

[fading shard]

The thing with karmelita is that it results in the collapse of all the surrounding caverns

it's not her life that she's screwing over, it's all of the surrounding bugs

like goddamn hornet why are you like this

[fading shard]

yeah and when you take the heart the water from the waterfall stops pouring

and seemingly screws stuff up nature wise

So hornet is jsut screwing over shellwood

[lapis creek]

i wish i could but i did try the needolin which is all it takes for watcher

and in the journal entry hornet says watcher has outlasted the others

[fading shard]

yeah khanns army is dead

like I get the idea

[candid linden]

what if team cherry gave hornet a skill to let her pierce the minds of bugs and enter

[fading shard]

but their all gone beforehand

[fading shard]

she can go in memories

that's the closest she's gonna get

[lapis creek]

now hornet is ofc stupid but i think between this and shakra's dialogue (paraphrasing, 'we were too late') we are supposed to gather that what has happened to them is irreversible and watcher is a special case

[fading shard]

she ain't got the talisman

[candid linden]

whats the talisman

[fading shard]

the dream nail

[candid linden]

oh

whyd you call it that

dream needle

now I wanna play hk

[lapis creek]

it's very disturbing how readily silksong fans will ignore medical ethics to defend their favourite character hornet

I'm very disappointed

[fading shard]

dream needle isn't a thing

[fading shard]

beacuse seer states it is a talisman

a one of a kind but yeah

[candid linden]

what even is the dream nail

is it at actual nail

or like a coating

or something

[fading shard]

a one of a kind artifact

made out of a light simillar to the radiance yet less brighter

[frank dove]

This could just mean in terms of being awake. We know when karaka die they dissolve, which those in coral tower have not done

And khann does not do until his heart is ripped out

[lapis creek]

i have to grant that if this were the case, it would be possible for them to be reversibly braindead

because these animals as i understand it, will stop all of their metabolism and only differ from corpses by the chemistry that preserves them

but i dont think this is likely because if his heart kept beating for centuries, even if it doesn't require fuel to do so, it would weather away his circulatory system and make it basically impossible to resuscitate him

[near jasper]

Isnt the point of entering the memories bringing the hearts back to their Prime form

[lapis creek]

i dont actually remember if you can hear his heart beating before you do the quest

[frank dove]

Tc doesn't really care about science

Have you seen the biology of bugs videos

[lapis creek]

i guess that's true

maybe more important is the fact that shakra describes them as husks

again I really don't think we are supposed to believe that they are well-preserved

[twin dragon]

Khann does dissapear after you rip out his heart, other wielders die when that happens so there could be some correlation

And implication that khann is in stasis

[fading shard]

Team cherry has said in the past that hollow knight isn't supposed to be accurate

they just look at bugs as potential inspiration

and if something catched their eye

they'd loosely mangle smth together

[lapis creek]

accurate to what though

[fading shard]

to bugs

[foggy stratus]

Shakra both doesn't know how they work and are under the impression that they're all dead.

[lapis creek]

like what i said is kind of just physics

[lapis creek]

but surely if they were capable of coming back to life, husk would be something of a stretch

right?

does it work as a descriptor of something that is, e.g. dry

[foggy stratus]

Shakra has no clue how their bodies work. Im sure Hornet would also call their bodies "husks" before Act 3. Like one person refers to them as husk, and that person isn't knowledgeable on their bodies functioning.

[lapis creek]

why wouldnt she call them husks after act 3

[foggy stratus]

She would learn and understand more about how their bodies work.

[lapis creek]

as in going through the process we are going through now

of like

if i kill them they turn to coral so if they are not yet coral they are not yet dead

[stray grove]

Khann is just dead it’s not that complicated
The Watcher gets up and starts moving in response to the Needolin and Khann does not, if the idea is that the Karaka turn into coral upon death Khann’s body is visibly crusted and decomposing

[low oracle]

Then why does Khan die twice?

[stray grove]

He doesn’t

[low oracle]

We visibly see, Karaka only die when they crumble up.

[stray grove]

Khann and Nyleth have already died when Hornet enters their memories to retrieve the Hearts, the Hearts are known to have existed prior to them and continue to exist after their deaths

[stray grove]

I mean no we don’t

The Watcher isn’t dead or dried up and waiting for the water to return or whatever the fuck people are calling it it gets up and starts moving

Up top of those caves lost to wind and sand rests a crusted old ruler
Alas, they exist now only as hardened husks

[stray grove]

Genuinely I don’t understand this stupid headcanon

The game tells us they’re dead but noooo there’s a chance they could come back

That would also undermine the themes of the game but SS fans don’t understand big words like that so I’ll leave it at the Shaman/Shakra dialogue

[cinder storm]

Sherma got the survival instincts of a bat, man.

[stark ocean]

he just has really high faith in the citadel

[cinder storm]

I did a batman reference but nobody got it

[stark ocean]

he thinks everyone is a good guy deep inside

shit

[foggy fractal]

https://klipy.com/gifs/say-that-again-1

[uneven pagoda]

will silksong possibly get a good ending

[low oracle]

Best we can do is bring back Pilby if you saved him on all events.

fuck Myla though, she'll be infected till the end of time

[uneven pagoda]

i dont understand the part after you fight lost lace, is there anything that has changed?

[uneven pagoda]

lmaooooooo

[low oracle]

Lace is cured of depression, GMS' tyranny has ended, Hornet won't get followed, stuff like that.

[fading shard]

no more haunting at all

that's your answer

big thing ik

[uneven pagoda]

but i mean the void stuff is still all over the place

[fading shard]

it's not

where did you get that idea from

[uneven pagoda]

oh really i gotta check

[fading shard]

you literally see the void soaked thread disappear

in the ending

[uneven pagoda]

i meant like in the game

theres still void threads around

i cant tell if its just game design

[fading shard]

you don't play past beating lost lace

so id kwhat you mean in the game

what "in the game"

in he game you fight lost lace

get the ending

roll credits

no "in the game" after that

[foggy fractal]

its just game design
once you do sotv and go back into your safe file the world is in the state right before the lost lace fight
but canonically the void threads dissapear after sotv because gms dies
as to why you don't get to play after sotv? because TC didn't make anything after that

[lapis creek]

I mean it seems simple enough to me, I don't know why tc chose to make all of the karakas we fight crumble into small pieces after they die, except for these ones

[midnight reef]

it... does?
Its called Sister of the Void

[lapis creek]

like that was a decision

[lapis creek]

i also dont think this is a fair comparison

[midnight reef]

I really dislike all the concepts that are just "what if the gorge survived a bit beyond our reach"

I dont think thats fun

I largely agree with Team Cherry's decision to dry out the Gorge and make the Blasted Steps and Sands of Karak

am I a bit sad? yeah

[lapis creek]

i dont agree

[midnight reef]

for the story they wanted to tell it doesnt make sense

[lapis creek]

i dont think it's worth making sacrifices for the worldbuilding of pharloom if youre just gonna bring back void for the climax of the story anyway

[midnight reef]

Void was always going to play a role

its a Hollow Knight game, they had ideas from the start

[lapis creek]

ok let me rephrase

[midnight reef]

I think they could've done Act 3 better, but I dont think Void is the problem

[lapis creek]

i dont think the threat in act 3 is very well integrated with the lore of the kingdom

how they deal with it is perhaps a different story

[midnight reef]

I dont think it really needed to be, its more integrated with Hornets lore

A bit sad that the only allusion to it in acts 1 and 2 is in Steel Soul though

[lapis creek]

well yeah but it could have happened more or less anywhere if there was something powerful enough to kill

what do you really need to say about pharloom to explain what is happening in act 3

[sinful nimbus]

Void being a metaphor for regret that lashed out until you accepted it was mad aura

SS didn't really do anything thematically interesting with it imo even regarding Hornet's character

[lapis creek]

by this i mean like. if it had happened 10000 years earlier and there was no citadel and you just had to murder living khann and rip his heart out, it wouldn't be that different

and like yeah even as far as it's integrated with hornet's lore, I don't think it's worth sacrificing worldbuilding to flesh out hornet because guess how that went

[spark valve]

I shall fear that darkness no longer

[foggy fractal]

she gained a new fear too

Do I almost feel fear

🥶 🥶 🥶 🥶

[stray grove]

What are you talking about man

A Karaka that’s defeated in combat crumbling into coral vs Karaka that dried out gradually over time gradually turning into coral

We’re explicitly told that they’re dead multiple times

[lapis creek]

i know that

[stray grove]

The assumption that Karaka MUST explode into tiny pieces of coral in order to be dead is also completely baseless

[lapis creek]

them being dead is most consistent with the text and also with just how living things work

[stray grove]

And cough the themes of the game

[sinful nimbus]

this game has themes and such?

[foggy fractal]

it has slabfly journal entries

and such

[lapis creek]

but like this is contrived bullshit you can poison them or electrocute them and they crumble

how

[sinful nimbus]

bro its the despawn animation 💔

[lapis creek]

why did they go that far with it

they couldve just made them vanish like normal enemies

[sinful nimbus]

looks cool

[lapis creek]

i dont think theres a lore explanation for it thats consistent with the text

like obviously tc write lore with their feet we know this

[sinful nimbus]

doesn't sound like something they put too much thought into

[foggy fractal]

makes sense

[lapis creek]

sure

[sinful nimbus]

probably just "karakians turn into coral upon death" and then they drew it differently

when its involved with enemy sprites its a bit more simplified

[stray grove]

Genuinely what are you talking about man

They’re enemies in a MV that’s their death animation

Did you want TC to give them 50 different death animations depending on how they were killed

Why stop at them why not extend that courtesy to literally every single enemy in the game

[lapis creek]

yes but that is tangential

i also dont really know how you concluded that from what i said

[lapis creek]

especially when i said this right after

[stray grove]

“The ones defeated in battle crumble”
“You can poison them or electrocute them and they still crumble”
Ok bro

They don’t vanish because TC wanted to give them a unique death animation

They’re not the only enemies with unique death animations

[lapis creek]

are you trying to suggest that they crumble in battle because they die in a way that's mechanically violent or that there's just something about dying in battle that makes their bodies crumble for magic reasons

[stray grove]

Also not all of them crumble

[lapis creek]

or none of the above

[stray grove]

I’m saying it’s a stylistic choice

The reasons do not matter at all

[lapis creek]

ok i agree

you shouldve opened with that

[stray grove]

I’m not the one claiming that them crumbling is significant

[lapis creek]

me neither bro that was someone else i just think it's a weird choice and i can see why people find it interesting

like i would be lying if i said i genuinely didnt understand

you feel me

[stray grove]

I don’t know why it’s weird

A lot of the Karaka in the gauntlet don’t even have that death animation

Only a handful do

What I don’t understand is people seeing that then looking at Khann’s very obviously deceased corpse that several people tell us is in fact a corpse and extrapolating that because he didn’t crumble some other unknown aspect of Karaka physiology is in fact keeping him alive

[lapis creek]

it's more detail than i would expect for something with no explanation

[foggy fractal]

only these guys turn to crust when they die 🤔 intresting...

[lapis creek]

its prevalence sort of invites you to speculate as to which unknown aspect of karaka physiology governs whether or not they spontaneously wither away

to which of course there isn't really an answer

[midnight reef]

trying to understand things from the Karaka is just

hard.

Because the Karaka were planned to be in the Sands of Karak

[lapis creek]

are they even called the karaka

what are the mechanics there why are we calling them that

[midnight reef]

No, the Karaka, the enemy

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Karaka

[lapis creek]

yeah i know but like the rest of them behave the same

[sinful nimbus]

He's called Karak Gor because he is going to gore you ‼️

[lapis creek]

oh you mean the enemy was initially in the area?

yeah that is weird

[stray grove]

gore? wtf…

[midnight reef]

Karaka have a state for being covered in dust like WATE

[lapis creek]

what the fuck is a gor why did hornet write this down

[opal cliff]

magala

[sinful nimbus]

tuff

[sinful nimbus]

top 5 dragons oat?

[foggy fractal]

what did TC mean when they did this and copied me? are they creatively bankrupt?

[sinful nimbus]

Heaven's Wheel 🗣️

[sinful nimbus]

TTRUE

[paper mantle]

🤔

[sinful nimbus]

andy flag gif

[foggy fractal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/868779414673031208/1139330386304966788/makesweet-r1wj5l.gif

[paper mantle]

How you mead it?

[foggy fractal]

someone else made it so no idea 🥹 prob just a random website

[paper mantle]

[sinful nimbus]

I pledge allegiance 🫡

[foggy fractal]

🫡 lets be corruput together

we will install those rosary benches kingdom wide

[stray grove]

No

Demi-Elder not a dragon

[edgy nebula]

karak discussion

[spark valve]

It’s at least a younger dragon

[opal cliff]

for sure

shagaru is doing too much lowk

[trail wagon]

Yes, I'm curious where she was taken from

[modest trail]

why do we ( the community) use they/them for phantom?

[craggy smelt]

I went looking through Weavenest Atla to see if I could find some sign of a broken spire that she might have been taken from
I couldn't really tell though

[foggy fractal]

what the journal entry uses

[modest trail]

oh cool

so phantom is the only confirmed trans character in all the franchise?

[spark valve]

not only is phantom not confirmed or even implied that there very notably are quite a few agender characters in the first game

[craggy smelt]

I can think of at least one other 'they' in Silksong

[modest trail]

is that even trans

?

[foggy fractal]

no confirmation whatsoever

the entry uses them, simple as that, we don't get to see anything beyond as to why

[craggy smelt]

i think trans typically means you've changed gender identity
we don't know that Phantom has done this, it's just that they never specify a gender explicitly, and the game uses neutral language in their journal entry
there's a silk memory with Lace and Phantom where one calls the other 'sister', but it's ambiguous as to who is speaking

[modest trail]

oh okay

its sometimes hard to dechiper fanon from canon

until I actually fought lugoli, i was told the name was ass jim

i was lied too

[craggy smelt]

yeah, we made that up

[foggy fractal]

tldr some uses she/her due to that pod memory dialogue, others use they/them because that's what journal uses

[foggy fractal]

community name given to them in 2022

in xbox trailer

[modest trail]

i wasnt a fan back then

but ass jim is really funny

[foggy fractal]

they showed one attack and it was the ass one

[craggy smelt]

good times

[modest trail]

Team cherry has been smoking something when making that boss

fent

maybe meth

or even the blue crystals from walt

[craggy smelt]

the venom of the australian rock devil spider

[modest trail]

I have a theory

spiders eat bugs

so hornet has eaten something she shouldnt have

groundbreaking i know

[craggy smelt]

Hornet has probably eaten people-bugs before, yes

I am sure she hasn't done so for a long time

she actually mentions that she doesn't need to consume that often

because she's part god

[modest trail]

https://tenor.com/view/shaw-silksong-shaw-mewing-hollow-knight-hollow-knight-hornet-gif-10701033448015821325

[grave stream]

i could name about 3 million theys in silksong depending on rules

[craggy smelt]

name 700,000

in alphabetical order

[gilded drift]

Reverse alphabetical

[craggy smelt]

damn

[grave stream]

vessel 1...

vessel 2.....

vessel 3....

vessel 4.....

[gilded drift]

Go on

[grave stream]

vessel 5

vessel 6

vessel i'm gonna get banned for spam

vessel 7

vessel 8

vessel 9

vessel 10

Vessel [n]

[craggy smelt]

...well played

[gilded drift]

That's cheating

[tawdry flare]

those are its not theys! good try

[torpid frost]

so what do we think druid eyes/mossberry lore is

[tawdry flare]

zero zilch nada its just vagueposting

[torpid frost]

im thinking maybe the berries absorb very nearby silk. so when the player is hit and they leak silk/soul, the berries start absorbing it. they arent 100% efficient so it takes 2 hit to gain full strands

[gilded drift]

So I think you get it early in the gam

[tawdry flare]

a mossberry brew let the druid see memories or something so theres that

[torpid frost]

soul/silk does have imbued memories

[grave stream]

here i'm not gonna bother actually typing them all out but here it is

700,000 non-binary silksong characters

happy now

[torpid frost]

maybe the berries concentrate that silk enough that regular bugs can feel the memories

[gilded drift]

Very elaborate thank you so much can we get married

[tawdry flare]

vessels are it/its not they/them so you LOSE

[torpid frost]

yea clearly no non binary person uses it/its /s

[gilded drift]

vessels are not real?

[torpid frost]

true

fictional non binary tho

[tawdry flare]

this was the original statement

[grave stream]

whatever

i call vessels they/them because i don't like it/its pronouns

[torpid frost]

i think thats fine

[grave stream]

i refuse to fall to ragebait

[torpid frost]

what bait

[gilded drift]

rage

[torpid frost]

damn

[grave stream]

i mean zips ragebait

[torpid frost]

.. that is my bad im dumb sometimes

[gilded drift]

I understan

[grave stream]

its fine

i'm dumber

[torpid frost]

fight fight fight

[gilded drift]

you guys are llioke dumb and udumber lololol

[torpid frost]

we could make a cartoon

or podcast

[gilded drift]

you could talk about your opinion on anchovies

[torpid frost]

never had them never going to

[grave stream]

@gilded drift you finally made a coherent sentence!

[gilded drift]

exactly why you should start a podcast together

[grave stream]

👏

[torpid frost]

this is true

[gilded drift]

what did i ever do to you

[grave stream]

i'm awarding you and you're refusing to take it

[torpid frost]

i really want to make a shitpost podcast where i make the worst silksong theories

but then i remember there are channels already for that /hj

[gilded drift]

Reminds me of my dad who joined a flat earther group and just made terrible and extremely disprovable theories as a jjoke lol you should do somehting like that for an awful silksong claim

[grave stream]

personally Zylotol said that he thinks plasmium can defy death itself so i think we're gonna just stab Garmond until he wakes up

[torpid frost]

noo dont make remind me of the sadness

i cried for several minutes with zaza 😭

[torpid frost]

yeee i want to do dumbass bits like that

[grave stream]

Genuine theory that we will use some form of purified plasmium to create immortality

[craggy smelt]

that's pretty good

[torpid frost]

sea of sorrow hopefully

[gilded drift]

Genuine theory that sea of sorrow adds act 4 and zote

[grave stream]

that sentence is a joking version of my actual theory

[grave stream]

ZOTEBOAT

[torpid frost]

i dont think zote and trobbio can occupy the same physical plane of existence

[gilded drift]

I need zoteboat out NOW....

[craggy smelt]

Sea of Sorrow Zote and Zaza

[grave stream]

Genuinely how cool would it be though if after SoS's campaign thingy we see a farmiliar lantern

[torpid frost]

zaza can easily defeat zote

[gilded drift]

farmiliar

[torpid frost]

i mean in combat and mind

[grave stream]

i can't spell 😭

[torpid frost]

which lantern?

[gilded drift]

yer mom

[torpid frost]

she's not a lantern

[gilded drift]

dammnit

[grave stream]

your mom lantern?

[torpid frost]

green lantern

[gilded drift]

yeah see he gets it

your mom lantern

[torpid frost]

if they add my mom to silksong everyone will cancel team cherry

[grave stream]

It would be really cool if we saw a Grimm Troupe lantern and then the credits rolled or something

[gilded drift]

is you rmom bad

[grave stream]

if they add your mom to silksong i won't be able to download that big of a file

i only have like 600 gigs of storage

that's way beyond

[torpid frost]

i dont think grimm troupe would work in silksong. mostly bc it might require team cherry to confirm how long after hk does silksong take place

[grave stream]

some time after

[torpid frost]

and they are known to not confirm anything

[tawdry flare]

i have a hammer. start running

[torpid frost]

silkissue tbh

[gilded drift]

they should be doing this bro we need it

[grave stream]

They come to dying kingdoms.

[torpid frost]

get a 25tb drive

[gilded drift]

not grimm but te time

[torpid frost]

i need time too

but team cherry doesnt confirm things

it is known

[gilded drift]

team chevron

[craggy smelt]

i do like grimm but

i would rather have new stuff

[torpid frost]

yea

but

a cameo

[gilded drift]

yoooooo

[torpid frost]

broken grimm trouple lantern

[gilded drift]

yoooooooooooooooooo

[torpid frost]

can assume that pinstress or someone killed the trouple

and that'd be enough

[gilded drift]

yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[grave stream]

grimmchild is friendly and he helps you do something because grimmchild is new leader
(somewhat real theory)

[torpid frost]

there's a lot more fighters in sk that can beat grimm compared to hk

[craggy smelt]

act IV stuff
the Void cult arises
they went crazy because of the Void

[torpid frost]

u say that like other cults in sk arent crazy

[craggy smelt]

this is specifically Void crazy

[gilded drift]

yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[torpid frost]

i think a small playable section post act 3 would be nice. but i heavily doubt team cherry is ever doing act 4

they might just make a separate game entirely

[grave stream]

act π

[craggy smelt]

if they did Act 4, I think they'd have to set it in a different map
like Steel City, if they make that this separate, Citadel-sized area

[gilded drift]

yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[grave stream]

not a whole act 4

[torpid frost]

act pie, lace and hornet get pie at bellhart

[gilded drift]

yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[torpid frost]

idk much rather that be a separate game

[craggy smelt]

i don't want to wait that long

[torpid frost]

no reason to assume team cherry is not gonna take long making dlcs

[craggy smelt]

yeah, but they said they want to make a non-hollow knight game after SS

[torpid frost]

i dont trust a single thing team cherry says

[craggy smelt]

so a hypothetical 3rd hollow knight game would be even longer still

[torpid frost]

but either way i think silksong is peak, i much rather see what team cherry can do in another game series

[craggy smelt]

(it'll probably start as DLC and then grow into a new game)

[torpid frost]

while they maybe add small dlcs to sk

[craggy smelt]

if they ever make it to a 3rd hollow knight game, I kind of would rather it not follow up silksong, and take place in a completely new part of the world, with all new characters

[gilded drift]

yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[torpid frost]

zote boat

[grave stream]

I would really want it to feature THK though i have absolutely NO idea how the movement would work

[craggy smelt]

thk is too taaaall

[grave stream]

probably like Souls games

[craggy smelt]

if they made it a Soulslike then it would work

[grave stream]

Slow but agile

or whatever words like that fit gramatically

[torpid frost]

i think if team cherry does make an hk game, it would follow a character like:
zmeer

[gilded drift]

yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[craggy smelt]

actually that's Project Ants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSdtTvzdIjM

[grave stream]

hollow knight: lesbian

[torpid frost]

everything evolves into ants

[torpid frost]

so hk?

[gilded drift]

yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[torpid frost]

i dont think there's many characters in either hk or sk that could have deep lore + abilities

[grave stream]

prequel quirrel

[torpid frost]

zmeer is what i can think of, maybe young zmeer. from outside hallownest, powerful once, has deep lore

[grave stream]

Sly

[torpid frost]

both are too connected to hallownest

[craggy smelt]

could get some lands serene lore

[torpid frost]

i dont think team cherry is gonna do hallownest ever again

except cameos

[grave stream]

Quirrel was in hallownest not long

He originated and died there, but he went out to the Wastes but this is hk lore

[craggy smelt]

i would prefer sequel or spin-off to prequel
(i know how the prequel ends)

[gilded drift]

yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[torpid frost]

idk quirrel's life is too connected to it. and given quirrel forgot things, it wouldnt make for an interesting storyline

[craggy smelt]

come on, man

what are you doing

[torpid frost]

bc we know it ends with quirrel not even remembering

[gilded drift]

ts so hye

[torpid frost]

yea true

i think sea of sorrow or whatever the steel assassins are gonna be could be used as followup characters

but in the current games there's not anything who would fit for a future followup

atleast not to the scale of either games

[craggy smelt]

Lace (yuck)

[torpid frost]

(not considering lace bc no way thats gonna be separate from hornet much)

[craggy smelt]

Seth, though I think that would go against the spirit of the character

[torpid frost]

yea

[grave stream]

Not lace

her arc is over

[torpid frost]

yup

there isnt much story for her as connected as knight or hornet elsewhere

[grave stream]

spin-off, goofy city management game as PK

[torpid frost]

tf is pk

[grave stream]

pale king

[torpid frost]

lmao

[craggy smelt]

kingdom builder

[grave stream]

Civ 8 revealed: hallownest's prime

[torpid frost]

finally a good civ /j

Wait!

whatever the creature born from the tree witch ending

could be good to followup on

tho making that ending canon would suck

[craggy smelt]

hurr

[gilded drift]

thurr

[grave stream]

all endings are canon

[torpid frost]

unlikely

[grave stream]

multiverses

[craggy smelt]

every ending is canon to itself

[grave stream]

yes

[torpid frost]

hollow knight series where its just mr mushroom narrating the multiverse theory in ari gibson's voice

[grave stream]

each are a path down fate
Silksong aligns specifically with ETV the most so that one is the "most canon" to relevance

[gilded drift]

yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[torpid frost]

either way of canonicity, following up on the tree ending would sully the act 3 ending

but i really want tree lore

[grave stream]

tree lore?

tree lore?

[torpid frost]

i want white lady lore to be tied to the witch and the tree ending

[grave stream]

people do think Root and Greyroot are related

[craggy smelt]

there's something there

i would also like rootlore

[torpid frost]

yea i screamed white lady when i did that ending

[gilded drift]

I svcreaming

[torpid frost]

i want more

[grave stream]

This is possibly one of the only fandoms that screams for tree lore

[torpid frost]

u clearly havent seen vintage story fans

or biologists

[grave stream]

would you call biology a fandom

[torpid frost]

would people want someone who discusses evolutionary lore of silksong and hk

cause im thinking about it

[grave stream]

that's more a science or field of study

[torpid frost]

every field of science is a fandom

[grave stream]

there's a guy who broke down the biology of all the hk enemies

szang

[torpid frost]

i do like those videos

but i meant the environmental

the leaves, plants, fungus, roots, moss

and the architectural

[grave stream]

something somewhere sometime happened then call to hallownest then the game starts

[torpid frost]

what

[midnight reef]

Okay well, this lead me onto a wild goose chase
and I can confirm, I feel relitively safe in saying that all Coral Tower enemies, EXCEPT the Corrcrust Karaka, existed before 2022

[torpid frost]

what

oh u mean when they were designed

i thought silksong was taking place in human calendar

[gilded drift]

yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooopopp\

[grave stream]

you can stop now

[gilded drift]

ok i'm sorry

[grave stream]

nah ur fine

:3

[torpid frost]

yo

[gilded drift]

yyyyyyo

[trail wagon]

I think it would make sense

[trail wagon]

phantom gender convo yaay

[trail wagon]

Not confirmed, but it's the only time they're referred to by any pronoun. Some love to bring up the Lace needolin dialogue saying "sister", but we don't know who's talking to whom

Especially considering Phantom is probably a failed a experiment, they may not even be "gendered" in the same way Hornet was the only gendered child of the PK and the vessels weren't

I just realized that in theory team Cherry could add pretty big areas without even expanding the map by making them inner rooms like voltnest

[craggy smelt]

they should add diving with SoS

you can dive into any body of water in the game

they'd have to add so much

[midnight reef]

Atla doesnt

if you'd find it, it'd be in Weave_04

...because Weave_04 was the Needolin Spire

Which, notably, is a full burial spire, with multiple weaver corpses strewn about

[craggy smelt]

I don't think I understood any of that

[midnight reef]

Weave_04, the entrance to Weavenest Alta, in the past, held a Weaver Burial Spire

[fading shard]

could by all means be a woman

don't think it's supposed to be taken as a non binary character

[low oracle]

Silksong if it was good

[twin dragon]

Slopnautica

[blissful harbor]

this is incredibly late

but why would phantom be talking to lace while in the tank, it would make much more sense for lace to be talking to phantom

[azure blaze]

humanoid hornet is so weird and terrifying

makes my skin crawl

[low oracle]

Humanoid like this?

Or rather just the body?

[cinder storm]

i accepted the quest but the pinstress isnt in mount fay

wjhat do i do

[low oracle]

#sk-help

The Pintress isn't necessarily where you think she might be, keep looking near the top but not at the highest height.

[craggy smelt]

could be a dude - Jim is a typical guy name
but they are referred to as they both in the journal and by characters, like Mergwin

It was a specialty of the chef Lugoli, long ago banished for culinary sacrilege.
Rumours sing that the great chef retreated to their home-caves in the dank midlands below...

[craggy smelt]

least cursed humanoid hornet image

[paper mantle]

That skill is so interesting