sk-lore

[foggy stratus]

That more so refers to the edge of Karak, not necessarily Pharloom.

[fading shard]

Elder hu is literally said to be there to tend to the weak

[low oracle]

Again, you are taking an overall statement to individuals that aren't necessarily defined by them.

[fading shard]

Because the characters there are all defined by those said things?

[low oracle]

To bad the map literally shows you where the edge is, and he sure is at the edge alright.

[fading shard]

you realize that we don't ever get to see shakras or garmonds village right?

[low oracle]

Shakra isn't, she literally says so in her wish.

[fading shard]

horf

wouldn't you agree that xero

very much wasn't a karaken

[foggy stratus]

He wasnt.

[fading shard]

thank you horf

[fading shard]

horf If I may be so bold to ask

what position do you think Xero had in hallownest

Like was he above great sentries

I doubt he was part of the pale court

[lone folio]

Definitely not

[foggy stratus]

Given he likely had access to the King, maybe some kind of high ranking guard?

[lone folio]

Seems accurate

[fading shard]

Honestly yeah agreed

sounds accurate

[fading shard]

also tytus I forgot to give my usual appreciation to your pfp

my man

gotta give respects as usual :D

[lone folio]

ah yes thank you, Fire slime is the best slime

[lone folio]

Xero was important enough to be used as a prominent example of what happens to traitors

[foggy stratus]

Horus Xero, the Archtraitor

[lone folio]

I doubt the king would put a quarter of the effort he put into Xero if it was any other bug soldier

[low oracle]

Neither do we get to see the full kingdom of karak, "right"? Stop arguing in these random points that literally mean nothing. I'm not saying it's canon, but you can't prove me otherwise either if your argument revolves around completely unrelated stuff.
-The kingdom of Karak definitely extended to the edge of Pharloom, it's literally proven by the map and the Watcher
-Travelling isn't limited to those at any edge of a kingdom, see:
•Weavers
•Hornet
•Veiled bugs
•Pilgrims
-Elder Hu can be in the tribe, even if he doesn't follow their rules and mindset, that's like saying Markoth isn't a moth because he wields a weapon. Do you know what an average is?
-The City of Tears guards having red as one of their units colours isn't proof of anything, especially when it's not even the same red anyways
-If Xero entered Hallownest and joined the army, what the actual fuck speaks against him using a nail? Genuinly, what? Also, stop the hypocrisy, Garro isn't using the standard Karak sword either.

[foggy stratus]

Ngl, his dialoge before the fight makes it seem like he just dropped dead. PK ripped his Soul from bus body man.

[fading shard]

The pale king just saw what xero tried to do and he just ripped his soul out

imaginary technique soul ripped

[lone folio]

"Watch me kill this man so hard he gets dementia in the afterlife"

[lone folio]

Garros weapon is a karak sword with a large handle, its not that different

[fading shard]

I mean I feel bad for xero honestly

[foggy stratus]

Slightly different but yeah.

[fading shard]

Garros was definitely the inspiration for the karakens

he even has a simillar horn to them

[lone folio]

Or he was their first design for them

[fading shard]

well that was a backer design

[foggy stratus]

Pretty sure he was a Backer Charecter.

[lone folio]

Oh yeah

[fading shard]

yeah backer character

[fading shard]

I mean imagine being a generally good guy, being high ranking, and the infection breaks out, you as all the other guards and protectors of hallownest do your best and you do dream of cutting down the plague in your dreams only for you to fall the infection

and raise your blade against your king

Like I just feel bad for him man

he didn't even want any of this, he just had the missfortune of being infected

[whole holly]

what is this Greymoor green stone?

[foggy stratus]

Where is it?

[whole holly]

it kind of looks like barnacles, it was supposed to be in greymoor but it is cut content i guess

[lone folio]

Barnacle?

[foggy stratus]

Maybe it would have been near Verdania.

[whole holly]

yea, since it is green

[low oracle]

Yes, but Abhiker gaming used arguments of "if it's different it can't be related", which I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of. If we wanted to do some headcanon lore explanation, God Tamer took the sword.

Another thing is, the "Xero uses a nail" is as much headcanon as that he's a Karaka. We only ever see the nails being used as essence/soul attacks, which could be explained as the Pale King having taught these to him (for whatever reason, only somewhat plausible because they kinda resemble PV daggers). Xero could have used the Karaka weapon, and God Tamer could have taken it after his death.

[whole holly]

maybe they will add it in Sea of Sorrows DLC

[lone folio]

God tamers sword doesnt look similar enough. Karak swords have many more serretions

[fading shard]

no clue

[twin dragon]

Likely mossy or a bilewater connection thingy

[whole holly]

thanks for telling me

[fading shard]

I'm sorry T_T

[whole holly]

maybe verdania?

[fading shard]

I just don't have a clue

[whole holly]

why?

[lone folio]

Plus that sword is a nail.

[twin dragon]

Doesnt look as lush

[whole holly]

true

[whole holly]

what's wrong with that

[fading shard]

idk I just feel bad that I couldn't give you a good answer is all

[fading shard]

the soul warriors wield a pinblade are you going to suggest they come from pharloom

[low oracle]

Again, hypocrisy. Garro doesn't even use a sword?? And that isn't a nail.

[low oracle]

Does their appearance match in any significant way?

[fading shard]

my point is that godtamers blade definitely has no connection to pharloom

[lone folio]

God tamers weapon is a nail. Take a look at where god tamers hand is and you will see it

[fading shard]

or any other character

you're just trying to connect characters to others that weren't intended to have any connection

The game would make it clear if characters had a connection or not or at least imply it

hell markoth and that dream moth at least have some sort of connection

and markoth get's mentioned by said ghost moth

[low oracle]

I don't think so either, I'm just saying that explanations can always exist without concrete evidence against them.

[fading shard]

they'd do the same with god tamer if that was the intent

[lone folio]

Like you can see the circular base of the blade that nails have

[low oracle]

Are you sure? To me it looks like here.

[low oracle]

True, good point.

[lofty tendon]

Yeah you’re right

But it really looks like a karaka weapon

Maybe the god tammer modified it

[low oracle]

Congrats, you just learned what a theory is. Speculation about stuff that isn't confirmed.

[lone folio]

I dunno i dont see the nail resemblence

[fading shard]

that's called speculation

[low oracle]

I agree with you now, the handle detail is easy to miss but it makes sense.

[fading shard]

a theory is built up with evidence

that makes sense and isn't far fetched

[lofty tendon]

Bruh if there’s évidences it’s not a theory

[lone folio]

What

[fading shard]

so saying that Hornet is 10 years old is a theory

or saying that the radiance had a fling with the void is a theory

or that the Pale king actually was best buddies with gms back in the day is a theory

[lofty tendon]

If team cherry go and say “hey, we confirm that Zote is greyroot child”, it will not be a theory any longer, it will become lore

[lone folio]

So what is a theory according to you

[foggy stratus]

There's a difference between out right being stated and having evidence for something.

[low oracle]

Are you ragebaiting? My evidence that I used for a basis is literally how Xero looks in the first place. If I needed more evidence, it wouldn't be a theory but conrete speculation about implications presented in-game.
Hornet being ten years old is directly disporven several times, something you couldn't manage to do for Xero being a Karaka.

[lone folio]

This makes no sense...

[lofty tendon]

Something that makes sense but isn’t confirmed

[fading shard]

yeah with that you use evidence

otherwise it's called speculation

or a baseless headcanon

[lone folio]

With no evidence nothing makes sense

[lofty tendon]

Sorry I misunderstood what you meant by evidence

[lone folio]

a theory needs a base to stand on

[whole holly]

Xero feels like it is supposed to be unique species, especially given that it was backer character, more arguments can be made for Garro, sure but i think that at the end of the day, Karaka were inspired by backer characters

[lone folio]

Isnt Khann a backer character himself?

[whole holly]

also theory without evidence is hypothesis

[whole holly]

yea but he is unique case, as team cherry specifically made him part of Karak lore

[lofty tendon]

Maybe SoS will answer this question

[lone folio]

How?

This dlc is like 98% confirmed to be on the other side of the world

[lofty tendon]

No idea, this is what you call a speculation

[lone folio]

This is what you call hoping 😭

[lofty tendon]

Bruh

this is pure ragebait

[low oracle]

I agree. So when I say that I personally think Xero and Garro could be Karaka due to their appearances, it's a theory. The base? Their appearance. Any more evidence wouldn't make it a simple theory but logical speculation to make up holes in the lore with logical explanations.

[lofty tendon]

Who is garro?

[fading shard]

damn it you got to it first

[lone folio]

Speculation is discussing a possible answer for a question that there Isnt enough information to answer with certainty. We have enough information to correctly guess that we wont go to karak. Such as the sea being on the other side of pharloom

[random harbor]

Garro - Spirits' Glade - General

Are you a warrior, little one? A true warrior is one who can stand strong in the midst of a storm.
Stand strong little warrior.

@toastyman1213 used /npcs spirits name: Garro category: Spirits' Glade dialogue: General

[stoic harbor]

[fading shard]

this guy right here fits as a karaken

[lofty tendon]

Oh he’s the one in spirits glade ?

[stoic harbor]

Yeah

[fading shard]

It's speculation but I can buy into why people would think him a karaken

he has the dialogue

and eveything about him to fit in

Xero on the otherhand doesn't

[lofty tendon]

I did a genocid here so I forgot about his existence

[fading shard]

why

[stoic harbor]

Noooo why

[lofty tendon]

I needed like twenty more essences to get the upgraded dreamnail

[stoic harbor]

Bro 😭 there's so many better ways

[lone folio]

To piss of ravek

[stoic harbor]

Perfect parrying the guy so many times is way harder

[lofty tendon]

Maybe

[stoic harbor]

[lofty tendon]

But I thought they would respawn 😥

[stoic harbor]

Noooooo silly

[low oracle]

Me after sadly executing Marissa to find I only get one essence, in addition to the ost literally loosing the vocal track.

[stoic harbor]

💔

[lone folio]

Easy fix: Sing it yourself 🔥

Bring out that musical talent 🔥

Bring back the soul of city of tears 🔥

wake up your sleeping family at 4 in the morning 🔥

[stoic harbor]

I think soul master already stole all of that

[low oracle]

The moment I have all title screens and platinum I'm genociding my non-godhome save files to have playthroughs where I don't ruin stuff for myself. Like letting Zote live, fuck Zote and his annoying rambling.

[lone folio]

Dang it

[stoic harbor]

I left zote to die on my first and second playthrough 😭

First was on accident bc i thought i would come back to save him later bc i was somehow struggling on vengefly king

Second i didn't want to have to fight him in the pantheona

[low oracle]

Sing like Karmelita to steal your love's heart. Actually nevermind, Hornet already stole all the hearts.

[lone folio]

Scream your lungs out to make up for PV's missing lungs 🔥

[whole holly]

theory does have supporting evidence, hypothesis doesn't, sorry for late reply

[low oracle]

That's already Radiance, doing it for Soul Master, THK and Broken Vessel.

[lone folio]

Well PV is trying his best so you might aswell help him out

Oh woops i used he/him pronounce, now the entire HK community will chase me with pitch forks and torches

[lofty tendon]

Why

Isn’t him a male ?

[lone folio]

No becuase something something vessels are genderless something something

[lofty tendon]

Oh I see

But you can still say “it”

[lone folio]

you can

[low oracle]

Valid reaction, also when "Hollownest", "The Hornet", "The Hollow Knight" referring to Little Ghost.

[lofty tendon]

Wth

[lone folio]

Who uses hollownest for little ghost 😭

wait is it even hollownest??

isnt it hallownest????

[lofty tendon]

This is a sleep paralysis

[lofty tendon]

Yes it is

[low oracle]

That what pisses me off.......

[stoic harbor]

Or they

[lofty tendon]

Bruh

[stoic harbor]

Gah i hate when ppl say hollownest 😭

[low oracle]

Also she for Sherma, He for Last Judge, and saying the Green Princes were biologically related in the bad way.

[lone folio]

I think its because of mossbag

[stoic harbor]

It's like people saying jujitsu kaisen 💔💔💔

[stoic harbor]

He for shakra too

[lofty tendon]

He’s schizophrenic now ?

[stoic harbor]

No they works as gender neutral pronouns

Like if you saw someone and you couldn't tell if they were a guy or a girl you might think "how should i refer to them"

[lofty tendon]

I really thought Sherma was a girl in my first playthroug

[stoic harbor]

😭

[low oracle]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN PEOPLE THINK SHE'S MALE???

she literally got a females voice the entire time. I know that doesn't mean too much, but what?

[lofty tendon]

Helailailailailailaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[low oracle]

Well at least there is some justification, children are always harder to identify.

[stoic harbor]

😔 idk just the singing at first may confuse some people im not sure but it's pretty easy to correct soon into the game

[stoic harbor]

Sherma is so cute 😭😭😭😭

I was so worried for him

[fading shard]

honestly most do

[stoic harbor]

I thought we would have a myla repeat 💔

[fading shard]

I get why people would think sherma was a girl but shakra as a guy really?

[lofty tendon]

We do have with Pilbi

[low oracle]

Did you get the Citadel bath scene? Really cool, you can meet him in the Citadel spa somehow.

[stoic harbor]

Yeah but you can save pilby I'm pretty sure

[low oracle]

Can die in three different ways btw, only to randomly disappear anyways.

[stoic harbor]

Yes i did! It's so adorable

When i saw sherma say he'd gone to whiteward my heart DROPPED 😭😭😭😭

[lofty tendon]

I didn’t 😭

[stoic harbor]

I was so worried that he'd die

[low oracle]

Pilby can die:
-run over by skull giant
-killed by far fields randomass enemy due to broken door
-killed outside the door (I think, haven't gotten so far as he's kinda insignificant on a dedicated plathrough to getting plat)?

[exotic pendant]

sherma lowkey looks like he's gonna be qurriel

well he wasn't (epic)

[stoic harbor]

He has so much aura in act 3

[low oracle]

Seth is epic. We should play him in the next game, releasing in 2070 when Ari Gibson has his own hivemind of puppets to draw art for his digitally uploaded mind.

[stoic harbor]

They should hire me to make all the game for them

I'm totally qualified

[exotic pendant]

wait, when we talked about hollow knight 3 protaginist we completely forgot we got a blank slate right here-

[lofty tendon]

No I wanna play Pablooooooooooooooo

[low oracle]

They should hire me so I can make all my personal interpretations and headcanons true

[low oracle]

Who tf is Pablo?

[lofty tendon]

The guy with the hammer and a flat head

[exotic pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpaJHeDPbh8&list=WL&index=11

[lofty tendon]

Google it

[exotic pendant]

honestly I'm not sure why this got popular...

[foggy stratus]

Reject Pablo, embrace TROBBIO!

[exotic pendant]

I guess he just looks too silly

[lofty tendon]

Because it’s pabloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[exotic pendant]

sorry the word "pablo" evolks bad memories in me

[lofty tendon]

Now I want to turn myself into a frying pan

[verbal herald]

where did pablo come from?

[lofty tendon]

Idk

[low oracle]

Not really, sadly:
-all endings are canoncial timelines, that can connect differently across games
-the two endings of HK leading to SK Act3 ending can have the Hollow Knight dead and as a Shade, or "alive" (still dead, but with shell).

Schrödingers Hollow Knight.

[exotic pendant]

wait fuck I forgor

nvm then

[fading shard]

adorable

[lofty tendon]

They should hire me so I do a better OST than Christopher Larkin’s one

[low oracle]

He looks like a bad rip off of Hollow Knight, where the MC is slightly changed for copyright issues.

[low oracle]

They should hire me so I can hire Keygen Church to make music with Chrisopher Larkin.

[fading shard]

I mean

1. Quirrel
2. Hollow knight
3. Lace
4. seth

these are the most reccomended protagonists for future games I've seen

Seriously quirrel is so goddamn beloved (and rightfully so) that I keep seeing quirrel prequel being mentioned

and hollow knight steel city game

with the hollow knight

[lofty tendon]

The Hollow Knight ????????? We know all his life already

And we got a quirrel comic

[foggy stratus]

The next Hollow Knignt game is going to be a settlement managing game where you play as the PK while he builds Hallownest.

[lofty tendon]

But Lace can be a good MC

[fading shard]

that

you realize I wasn't saying what I wanted

[exotic pendant]

we could TECHNICALLY have a prequel with THK in living hallownest if you're creative enough to somehow make that work

[fading shard]

but the most popular characters people want as protagonists right

you can look it up

[lofty tendon]

And he wouldn’t be funny to play

Too big

[fading shard]

most of the time people talk about a hollow knight as a protagonist game

and a quirrel prequel

[exotic pendant]

no I mean when it's not big yet, not trained

[fading shard]

If that's youtube, reddit, even in this server

[exotic pendant]

aka alive hallownest

[low oracle]

Lace is kinda weird as an MC, considering she shouldn't randomly leave her new allies. Quirrel is dead af, don't even bother. THK I already explained.

Seth is my personal favourite. I'd also like to see TC do visual changes like primary weapons, clothes, etc.

Imagine Seth having a shield for parrying, two daggers for more dps but no block, a spear for range, a shield with blades but no weapon, etc.

[lofty tendon]

So most people in yt and reddit are dumb

[fading shard]

for wanting a popular and well rounded character to be a protagonist?/

[fading shard]

Quirrel prequel

[low oracle]

I want a Xero game, as I like the design so much. Or a Nosk game, where we shapeshift to survive and live among normal bugs. Maybe defeating an emperor to be accepted as a fellow bug or whatever.

[fading shard]

Have you really not heard about the mass amounts of quirrel prequel mentions

[exotic pendant]

fr though, TC probably won't make HK 3

[low oracle]

Yes, I'll not see this happening ever and it makes me sad.

[lofty tendon]

For wanting an absolutely boring HK 3

[foggy stratus]

Im pretty sure they said something about taking a break from making HK games after Silksong.

Or 2d ones. Can't remember which.

[fading shard]

there's literally hundreds of people here saying prequel comic

including star monor

lace

redx

sashimi

kierokaro

ketsuyko

Yuri

Djtom

[lofty tendon]

Bruh if it’s a prequel it wouldn’t even be a trilogy like they said

[fading shard]

Flea

[twin dragon]

The hollow knight had a good closure

for his character

[fading shard]

Steel seer zi

[twin dragon]

in dream no more

and quirrel also is neat

[low oracle]

I guess, but what would that add? His lore is literally studying, getting lost and forgetting and then dying.

The getting lost part would be the game, but wouldn't that kind of defeat the point of the wastes? If anyone gets it, that's equivalent to a Subnautica game taking place in the void.

[twin dragon]

A lace game for example would be neat

[lofty tendon]

IT WILL NOT BE A PREQUEL

[fading shard]

zza48

pure vessel

thunderstruck

shawkra

crwfather

friesboi

[lofty tendon]

Just shut up

[low oracle]

Star Monor says a lot of "stuff"...

Not saying it can't happen, but it prolly won't.

[twin dragon]

Yeah we don't need a hk prequel

[stoic harbor]

Yeah they wanna make another game

[lofty tendon]

We understood what you meant but now it’s just annoying

[twin dragon]

what prequel material do we have

bro silksong has more prequel material than hk

[fading shard]

Listen I'm just proving myp oint that's in the most popular idea for a hollow knight game

I think I made my point

[lofty tendon]

The most popular but not the best

[low oracle]

Quirrel forgetting, literally defeating the point of his lore.

Anyways, Seth is the best from realistic expectations.

[twin dragon]

As a whole

Seth is kind of a nothingburger character

i don't really care about his character

[lofty tendon]

Wtf is a nothing burger

[twin dragon]

there's zero info on him

[lofty tendon]

It’s like two buns

?

[low oracle]

Wait no! Quirrel can be a school simulator, where we learn Hallownests history, brew potions or some shit and get hired by Monomon.

10/10 game!!!!!!!

[twin dragon]

Nothing of value

[twin dragon]

Baller idea actually

[lofty tendon]

10/10 mobile game

[low oracle]

That's the good thing though. Cool character that we can use as a brand new start, so we don't have another godslayer. I like all HK games, but it's not interesting always kill some HB. I'd want more rituals like NKG instead.

[fading shard]

given what mister mushroom said, us getting another hollow knight game is fully possible and could happen in the future but after silksong they're taking a break

for something else so yeah you're right

[low oracle]

Add a dating sim to appease the fans, where you can choose between Oomaas and the default Hallownest bugs.

[low oracle]

I just hope it'll be in the same universe with a different character. Unless they'll do a different genre of game too.

[exotic pendant]

if TC makes a rougelike I will kill someone out of pure rage

[low oracle]

If TC makes a roguelike I will prevent you from killing someone. That'd be fucking sick

[foggy stratus]

Rougelike as escaping Weavers.

[low oracle]

Nah, that's just killing innocent bugs and eating them.

[scenic lake]

the Oregon trail?

[low oracle]

Entire game is Steel Soul mode as a roguelike, so maybe Steel Soul stuff.

[exotic pendant]

[low oracle]

Tiso would also be a good sequel character, if he weren't fucking dead for no reason.

[foggy stratus]

You play as Sula?

[exotic pendant]

[foggy stratus]

Mawlak stomp.

[low oracle]

Too small, but along the right idea.

[exotic pendant]

if you lose you get compressed

and then uncompressed

[lofty tendon]

Who is sula?

[exotic pendant]

steel soul exclusive npc that summons the summonsed savior

[low oracle]

Why are you sending this at the end of every message?

[lofty tendon]

Is she the one who give the summoned savior?

[lofty tendon]

Ok

[exotic pendant]

the emoji would have made more sense if I had my hornet with mouth pfp

[lofty tendon]

[low oracle]

It would make less sense actually, unless you desire feasting on Sula.

Gotta go now, bye.

[exotic pendant]

bye

[lofty tendon]

Bye

[foggy stratus]

I fail to see how size would matter in this case tbh.

[exotic pendant]

bugs in HK is so op vro, they inherit LANGUAGE

[trail wagon]

hmm, you're right actually

[trail wagon]

but I'm not quite sure if it would make sense to call it penitence then if she's actually not active while being put in the constriction

Still however, I find it odd that the FS doesn't seem to be enraged by the actions of the Weavers of the Conductors, whoever imprisoned her, meaning that it's probably neither (?)

[trail wagon]

I thought that maybe it's because she doesn't know what happened, because she's technically dead and is just a mummy, but at the same time, don't all other Weaver mummies literally refer to Hornet? "Daughter of a distant land", so they definitely know about Hornet

[near jasper]

Team cherry doesn't like him

Like garmond who also got killed for no reason

[sinful nimbus]

He would be more racist than Hornet

[trail wagon]

Dudes put on a mask to look like Weavers

[foggy stratus]

Specifically Herrah.

[trail wagon]

idk why people don't seem to understand that characters like Tiso and Quirrel won't be the main character of the next game

[trail wagon]

I do understand that we all love these characters and wish we knew more about them

But it's super obvious that these characters are not important enough for the world to have an entire game about them

Hornet and the Knight are not usual bugs

These all in turn are

Hollow Knight is heavily reliant on the playable character's ability to consume new power and abilities as well which is something a regular bug would be incapable of

[foggy stratus]

He'd actually go through with killing all the Slabflies.

[trail wagon]

I think for the third game they may choose an entirely new character, especially considering the fact the game won't be coming out any time soon and does not stem from an idea of explanding any of the existing games lol

[trail wagon]

I think he's a much simplier character. He is meant to symbolize arrogance

[trail wagon]

Like iirc he was mostly pretty rude and arrogant, and look where it got him

Got killed in the Colloseum

[foggy stratus]

Im pretty sure it was a Brooding Mawlak that killed him, which I'm pretty sure only appears in Trial of the Fool.

[trail wagon]

Unless the developers decide to make a very big SS DLC that will end up being too big and...

you know

[trail wagon]

yeah, that's heavily implied too I agree

[sinful nimbus]

"Brood" Its the slabflies. Just say it. Its them.

[foggy stratus]

His arrogance was pretty warranted given he got so far in the Collosium.

[trail wagon]

Hmmm you right probably

I know it kinda condradicts what I've said, but I think a game about Zote could be interesting

It's also awkward that he has a very similar attire to the vessels

I don't think he's a vessel obviously, but I think it's intentional

[foggy stratus]

He has two masks, everything deals triple damage and he deals 0.5 damage.

[trail wagon]

Yes I know hahaha

[foggy stratus]

Pretty sure hes meant to be a shitty version of TK.

[trail wagon]

But I guess it COULD be interesting to see Zote from a different side. Him developing into a more serious and compassionate character

Tho I don't think this will ever happen

[trail wagon]

True true ahhahaha

But just saying, could've been an interesting twist

I'm not quite sure what they were thinking when planning on making Zote playable

considering the fact his silhouette looks exactly the same

Perpahs it could work in the "silly bug world" framework they've mentioned

[low oracle]

You do know what an accent/dialekt, could also be result of not all species having the same mouth and therefore a universal language being challenging for some bugs.

[low oracle]

Garmond died epically, which is great of Team Cherry to do. It's sad to see Cloth die for us in HK, but isn't that what makes stories great? The fact we actually feel bad for the characters shows how real their individual personalities feel.
It also goes to show how impactful everything is. The infection is clearly bad, but bringing it down to an individual level as with Myla makes it far more understandable what is actually going on.

[low oracle]

Lost hope, just like me with Nosk and Xero.

[trail wagon]

Nosk???

This would be the best playable character ngl

[cinder storm]

I don't understand ppl who want the hk as protagonist of a third game

Cuz all he did was train

Or even lace since since her story is complete

[twin schooner]

I just want something else

[cinder storm]

Protagonist on another kingdom

Far from pharloom and hallownest

[twin schooner]

Any other protagonist

[cinder storm]

If thay will be the case i hope the new Kingdom wont have an infection type stuff and be smth else

[twin schooner]

Thing is, what can they do

[cinder storm]

War between Kingdoms maybe?

Orr corruption

[twin schooner]

That sounds like it

[cinder storm]

Cuz only hallownest thought they were the only kingdom

I think pharloom knows they're not alone right

[cinder storm]

Bc the pale king lied

Some people said grimmchild as a protag

What can he do tho

He's just a servant for the heart

Nightmare heart or smth

[twin schooner]

Except that pale king meant “the last ETERNAL kingdom”

He meant that while other kingdoms fell, his would stay

[cinder storm]

Ah

[twin schooner]

We can see thats not the case tho

[cinder storm]

Hollow knight Maskbearer has potential

[twin schooner]

my boy just couldn’t stop his kingdom from falling and hid

[cinder storm]

Fanmade project

[twin schooner]

Infanticide is still wrong, its just that he didn’t have a choice

[cinder storm]

Which protagonist is better the cat from nine sols or hornet

[twin schooner]

no defending that

[cinder storm]

Random question

[twin schooner]

Difficult question

I dont remember much from nine sols since I finished it last year

[twin schooner]

I think Yi has good character development as the game goes om

but I genuinely don’t remember much

[cinder storm]

I still prefer enviromental storytelling over traditional

Wait

There might be a mask bearer in every kingdom like there's snail shamans

In the steel city there's a steel mask maker that makes steel masks for steel citizens

[twin schooner]

Who doesn’t

[twin schooner]

you just made that shit up

[cinder storm]

Yes

[near jasper]

Do you mean mask maker? Mask bearer would just be someone with a mask

[twin schooner]

We don’t know shit about steel city

[cinder storm]

I honestly would like a dlc about it

A full game might be too much

Do yall think lifeblood will expand till moss grotto

Maybe not the full zone

[twin schooner]

We are gonna get it

[twin schooner]

Team cherry doesn’t really need to do another game, tbh just don’t do anything wild

I mean not anything thats too big that it becomes a game

[cloud shoal]

no I think they should tbh, but not for the hollow knight franchise

[twin schooner]

What

uhhh sure ig

Ngl I get visibly frustrated by the vagueness of the games lore

Dream no more is the canon ending, godhomes ending is lame power fantasy

[candid linden]

can you even do p5 without beating the radiance first

[twin schooner]

Yes

[cinder storm]

butterbutt

[azure blaze]

since when steel city was a thing??😭✌️

[stray fog]

steel city mentioned ‼️ ‼️ ‼️

[cinder storm]

guess nobody reads the things on the cages of the fleeing weavers

[foggy stratus]

Something something reading comprehension.

[near jasper]

Hey

Is the broken conductor mask they removed from blasted steps still in the game files?

[foggy stratus]

Dunno. Ask modding discussion or something.

[near jasper]

Cheeseburger

[edgy nebula]

pretty sure it was a reused asset from the unravelled anyway

[dire lynx]

yes

same asset as inactive unravelled

[thorny crescent]

E

[trail wagon]

Would be cool actually. Literally today I was looking through some new cut content I haven't seen before, turns out at some point during the development there were 2 additional quests from Zylotol asking to bring "mossblood" and "muckblood", clearly from moss enemies and muckroaches, for his experiments. Judging by how much he's obsessed with the idea of injecting lifeblood into everything, wouldn't be surprised that it would eventually end up spreading

[trail wagon]

Obviously the cut content is not canon, but still, I think the quests were cut mostly for gameplay reasons rather than lore reasons. They would've been too repetitive

We still can at least infer what the developers may have in their mind

[cinder storm]

Cuz we clearly see lifeblood roots reach till the chapel where we found the wanderer crest

Not really there but

[trail wagon]

Yes

[cinder storm]

They're close

[trail wagon]

True true

It's in the same room, yeah

[cinder storm]

Plasmified marrowmaw might be terrifying

Also are the marrowmaws modified by the citadel or they're Natural?

[torpid frost]

the big ones are present in the weavernest atla so i'd say natural

[stoic harbor]

John steel

Im going to see if sorrow

[midnight reef]

Moss Grotto and Bilewater enemies, not muck roaches

[midnight reef]

actually

I dont know if they were even applicable for it

though the Muckblood quest is far less complete

[twin schooner]

Dream no more is the canon ending, I hate the godhome ending

[foggy stratus]

They're all canon.

Your opinion doesnt matter on this.

[exotic pendant]

sorry we don't really talk about headcannons

though, watch TC give no explaination on why Sealed Siblings is cannon:

[foggy stratus]

Firstly, Silksong doesnt determine what is and isnt canon in HK. Secondly, we see that seal breaking bugs exist.

[exotic pendant]

I KNOW I'm just commenting on how we won't know

[twin schooner]

fucking bullshit

“All canon” is so lame

[foggy stratus]

Too bad.

[exotic pendant]

some may argue the opposite, having a canon ending is lame

[foggy stratus]

You can go seethe in the corner or some shit.

[twin schooner]

In what universe is sealed siblings being canon a good thing

or a good ending

[foggy stratus]

Its not.

[twin schooner]

Its the knight being a dumbass

[foggy stratus]

Its specifically the bad ending of the game.

[twin schooner]

alr then

Theres no multiverse where it makes sense that hornet is freed without any help

the knight itself is not hollow and never was

Neither are any of the vessels

[foggy stratus]

Pure*

[twin schooner]

So it doesn’t make sense

[twin schooner]

Same thing

[twin schooner]

You seethe instead lmao

Im just stating facts

[exotic pendant]

insert "hollow" is a title not a state of being

[twin schooner]

mhm

[foggy stratus]

No. Pure is being able to seal teh Radiance permanently, Hollow is just having Void inside your shell instead of organs.

[twin schooner]

Still, the knight and hk weren’t any of those besides having the void stuff inside them

Dnm is the canon ending and it makes sense thematically

void ending is just cringe power fantasy

Idk man

I thought about it for a while and just some things don’t make sense when talking about “theyre all canon”

that is bs and final

[foggy stratus]

Silksong doesnt determine what's canon. And Team Cherry said it so any attempts to refute it are basically just copium.

[exotic pendant]

pack your bags people, hollow knight has no lore #hk-discussion message

[twin schooner]

In an old ass reddit comment

im sure they still, think that years later yup

[foggy stratus]

So? Nothing they've said after contradicts it.

[twin schooner]

What?

[random harbor]

Developer comment: Hollow Knight is all lore

According to Ari Gibson, only William thinks HK has no lore. HK is all lore.

[Source](#off-topic message)

@lexmolten used /dev-comments source: Discord name: Hollow Knight is all lore

[twin schooner]

Dont you think they wouldve changed their minds and just didn’t tell us?

[foggy stratus]

False.

[foggy stratus]

No. Why tf wouldn't they tell us.

[exotic pendant]

it was supposed to be commentary to opinion on endings

[twin schooner]

Shit, they made it obvious in silksongs final ending

What more would you need

[exotic pendant]

fuck wrong reply

[twin schooner]

Idk man Im just heated rn

[fading shard]

the canon endings to SILKSONG

are dream no more and embrace the void

all the endings are canon in their own right

[foggy stratus]

Silksong Act 3*

[fading shard]

to silksong in general

act 3 isn't a cross in timelines horf

it doesn't suddenly make it that the entire continuity changes that itself is copium

[twin schooner]

I think dnm makes more sense thematically

[fading shard]

Like yeah all endings are canon but not to silksong

[twin schooner]

Well…..theyre talking about ones that lead to silksong

[foggy stratus]

I see no reason to have it be that THK ending couldn't lead to Silksong Weaver Queen/Twisted Child ending.

[twin schooner]

This is such a nothingburger statement

[fading shard]

Horf is talking about all the endings being canon to silksong?

[twin schooner]

Mb I didn’t see that

[foggy stratus]

Its Schrodinger's Ending. Its both all possible endings and none of the possible endings unless Hornet enters Act 3.

[fading shard]

that's not even true

sealed siblings is an ending that's not canon no matter what

ANd saying "but the seal just got broken" results in numerous plot issues

[foggy stratus]

Hence why I said "all possible endings"

[sinful nimbus]

jokerpsa

[cinder storm]

I did everything to save pilby

I killed the rhyno before opening the door

He was at pilgrim's rest, after act 3 u don't see him anymore so i hope he's not dead

Also is pilgrim's rest destroyed in act 3

If i Remember

[foggy stratus]

Yes. Giant ass rock gell on Mort, unless you didnt buy weighted belt. In that case hes in one the one wind tunnels sections leading up to Greymoor.

[cinder storm]

What

[foggy stratus]

Also Hornet should have gotten the Everbloom from TK.

[foggy stratus]

Yeah.

[cinder storm]

Rip mort then

[foggy stratus]

Fuck him hes greedy as shit.

[cinder storm]

Can i still get weighted belt in act 3

[cinder storm]

Well true

[foggy stratus]

Yes. Its next to his corpse.

[cinder storm]

Oh so even if i don't buy it he still died

I js want pilby to be ok

I was thinking

What if we don't buy anything from pebb

Till act 3

[foggy stratus]

Pretty sure most of his stock goes to Grindle's shop.

[trail wagon]

muckblood tho?

[trail wagon]

Bloatroaches?

who exhausted the organ

[midnight reef]

I think only one enemy from the putrified ducts still has the FSM states for it

[trail wagon]

what organ has been exhausted

[trail wagon]

wha

[sick tinsel]

my lungs

[fading shard]

okay I got question for you horf

because I can't remember for the life of me the answer

do the warden flies possess rune cages

or am I missremembering things

because I swore they had ruins but I'm not sure anymore

yeah no they are rune cages okay I was right

[violet horizon]

Btw

Why is Lost lace so important? I dont understand

Pls can anyone explain

[fading shard]

wym

it's lce

lace is lace

and lace is a important character

[violet horizon]

Why is she important i dont understand

Why did void care to entrap her

And why even does Silkmother care about her too!

?

[lofty tendon]

Cuz she’s her mother

[violet horizon]

Oooh so

Are Hornet and well Lace related?

[foggy fractal]

not biologically

but Lace would be Hornet's aunt

[foggy stratus]

Likely only a small supply for particularly powerful individuals, or maybe one specially for Hornet.

[fading shard]

they use the same cages for random pilgrims in the backround though

[cinder storm]

lacesong is a mid concept

[fading shard]

and I know they are actual rune cages as they have a magical enchantment and glow

once capturing hornet

[foggy stratus]

Those are likely just regular cages.

[fading shard]

Very much so similar to the rune cage she was initially trapped in

[fading shard]

they look the exact same

why would the one the warden flies use on hornet specifically have a magical rune

[foggy stratus]

Or maybe all their cages are rune ones.

[cinder storm]

is there any mention of hallownest in silksong i dont remember?

[fading shard]

very little

likely more will happen in later dlcs

[cinder storm]

like i see the room w the cages of different captured weavers

but

[foggy stratus]

Yeah some in Act 3 and maybe a few allusions in random bits in acts 1 and 2.

[cinder storm]

if hornet got there we wouldve seen hallownest wruitten

[cinder storm]

excluding that

i only want mentions or stuff

[foggy stratus]

There's "Kingdom of the White Wyrm"

[cinder storm]

but thats where the pole king was from prob

[foggy stratus]

No, its Hallownest.

[foggy fractal]

kingdom of the white wyrm is hallownest buh they address it with capturing hornet in mind
and where else would hornet be

[foggy stratus]

Its on the Choral Commandent from the guys who had kidnapped Hornet.

[cinder storm]

i forgot

[fading shard]

As per usual we cannot escape the pale king

[fading shard]

Here's a fun question horf

if the hollow knight seal worked

and to current day worked

do you think gms would still dare send out a chamber to kidnap hornet

[spark valve]

She doesn’t care if they die

[foggy stratus]

Maybe not since Hallownest would be fully operational and functioning.

[fading shard]

I more so meant that what would be the point

if the chamber would fail either way

[fading shard]

Exactly

the five great knights would still be alive

sentries and some of the pale court would be alive

and the pale king would be alright as well

so would she just give up on capturing Hornet

given that sending a chamber would most definitely resulting in the entirety of their deaths without capturing Hornet

or would she double down

[foggy stratus]

If she still sent it id imagine ir would cause a major war between the two kingdoms.

[twin dragon]

There wouldn't be much to war as most warriors in pharloom are dead

if gms is awake

[fading shard]

So would she just give up

Just be like damn...Guess I'm not getting that one powerful weaver offspring who I can sense is strong with silk

[foggy stratus]

I mean itd be one sided, but still Hallownest would likely go rip Pharloom open like an oversized tin can.

The Citadel*

[foggy stratus]

They'd get ripped open, not Pharloom.

[fading shard]

Yk I am forever interested if having a piece of the pale king

would allow you to traverse beyond hallownests beacon

Like if somebody who was affected by his beacon were to be needed to leave to do something beyond hte wastes would he be capable of some shenanigans

to keep their mind in tact

[foggy stratus]

I'd imagine no, but being his offspring let's you do so.

[foggy stratus]

Maybe he could enchant a fancy mask to do that.

[fading shard]

I mean It would be funny to imagine him ripping a part of his horn

and giving it to some guy

and then that person would be okay beyond the wastes as long as he had that piece of the pks horn

[trail wagon]

Hey peoploids

Does anyone have any idea how the Pilgrims were supposed to acquire this part of the threefold melody to get to the elevator?

[fading shard]

the pilgrims weren't supposed to be capable of doing so

[spark valve]

they were

they were supposed to learn the song not have the cylinders

[trail wagon]

How?

Where from

It seems to be guarded by the vault keepers very diligently

[trail wagon]

Also, as I've already mentioned before a couple of days ago is that it's interesting that not even the Weavers were allowed to hear the melody, apparently

[spark valve]

they created it and vaultkeepers were indoctrinated to defer to weavers

[trail wagon]

Well, Cardinius says NO BUG

And suggests that Hornet has broken the tenants

While also knowing she's a Weaver

[spark valve]

which is superseded by a weaver telling him to do something else so he goes along with it

even if he doesn't like it

[trail wagon]

But what I'm saying is that their tenants suggest that not even the Weavers are allowed, in theory

[trail wagon]

Why isn't there an exception for the Weavers?

[spark valve]

if your boss tells you to hold onto something and not give it to anyone then you pass it down through the generations and the boss comes back and says "ok I need that now" the descendant's gonna be a little hesitant to just surrender it

[trail wagon]

And even so, again, how were Pilgrims expected to learn the melody?

[spark valve]

there is

[trail wagon]

The boss would probably say "don't give it to anyone EXCEPT me"

[spark valve]

the fact that they have a strict rule to defer to weavers inherently exempts them from vaultkeeper rules

[trail wagon]

But why does a Weaver asking to provide the melody go against their rules?

[spark valve]

Gkkkt. But this one was taught. It shall fold its claws. It shall pass its knowledge, as much as is gleaned.
Only to a first child must a Vaultkeeper defer.
this IS a blanket exception for weavers

[trail wagon]

Hmmm alrighty

[trail wagon]

Yes, but still idk why wouldn't they just frame the rule as "no bug except for the Weaver and a Vaultkeeper"

[spark valve]

why would they frame it that way especially when it's a rule probably manufactured by the pontiff

[trail wagon]

But anyways, that's not that important. What is, is how Pilgrims were supposed to learn the melody?

[whole holly]

i think they believed themselves above regular bugs, so maybe that's why, plus Weavers believed themselves to be divine

[trail wagon]

This would make sense I think

[whole holly]

even though they are technically bugs themselves, caste system in Pharloom is so hostile

[trail wagon]

Yeah. I was just slightly confused by how Cardinius reacted to this

[trail wagon]

A weaver asking to provide the melody does not go against the tenants

[trail wagon]

But he says that Hornet does "shatter" them

Also, are the mummified Weavers dead?

[spark valve]

they are dead

[trail wagon]

How do they know what's happening rn tho?

How do they know about Hornet?

[spark valve]

have you played hollow knight that's like a normal thing

[trail wagon]

I'm not sure if any dead bugs there know about what is currently happening not being in the dream world

[spark valve]

the rg shaman

all the dead shamans really

[twin dragon]

I mean the weavers are sort of connected to the dream world

as what hornet's binding of them are essentially their memories

[spark valve]

that's why fs can drag her into a dream to fight her and shit

[fading shard]

they made a pretty big distinction to the memory thing the weavers can do to the dream realm

[foggy stratus]

She more so binds the individual iirc, which adds the memories akin to the Avatar Cycle ig.

[fading shard]

basically yeahh

[whole holly]

hornet the last silkbender

[whole holly]

i mean memories and dreams are likely connected

[fading shard]

Dream realm and memories are connected

but not the weaver way

that's a whole seperate thing

Like yeah you can explore and relive memories of the past of hallownests kingdom

even seer states so

but the weaver way has no connection to the dream realm

[whole holly]

i am basing in off seer's statements and assuming that memories in silksong have connection ans similarity to dream realm

[fading shard]

and I'm agreeing that yes memories are a very prevalent thing in the dream realm

a lot of things are going for the dream realm honestly, and memories sure are one of them

as you can invade memories, see memories, etc, etc as said by seer and as shown in game

and do a bunch of other stuff ubt yeah

[whole holly]

Weavers may not shape dreams like Moths did, but memories in my opinion are still connected to essence

there are few reasons we can't see it, Shamans and Weavers work with silk/soul therefore have limitations when interacting with essence/dreams

[fading shard]

thing is elegy of the deep is a snail shaman spell

weavers are not shown to be capable of doing this

instead they are capable of seeing ones memories if they bind them

[whole holly]

First Sinner memory fight is adjacent to Old Heart fight because they both take places in memories

[foggy stratus]

Its a Shaman art adapted to Weaver style.

I think.

[whole holly]

yea, shamans sing and hornet plays melody with her needolin mechanic, elegy of deep is just extension of her needolin ability

[fading shard]

"We will teach you how, in the way befitting a Weaver, a sombre song to reach down into their memories and enliven them a final time."

[fading shard]

yeah

it's a shaman art that they adapted in a way that would be befitting for a weaver like hornet

[whole holly]

memories exist even outside of moths, weavers, shamans. different cultures interact with it differently

[fading shard]

even the icon for learning it has a snail icon and a melody iconic to weavers

so kind of a fusion of the two

[twin dragon]

Yeah the memories of the individual ig

Though im confused as to why they don't create a crest

[fading shard]

exactly yeah

[fading shard]

I suppose the crest is supposed to be the arts

given that's what sylphsong kind of is

if you think about it

note I said kind of

[twin dragon]

Maybe

[vestal swan]

Meguwhat

[whole holly]

crests are soul imprint, life experiences as described by Eva and Hornet, Weaver's teachings are their life experiences in a way but i believe that Crests manifest differently for hornet because of her malleable nature which allows her to bind crest bugs to form entirely different combat and techniques

[fading shard]

oh you're back

[twin dragon]

The pale king uses magic

[fading shard]

so you agree with what I said?

[fading shard]

so like do you still think the Pale king can't use magic or smth

[vestal swan]

Not using magic and not having the power as people assumed he did are two separate things. People liked coming up with the laundry list of new powers on the regular, they probably still do

[foggy stratus]

Oh gods hes back, by the Nine.

[fading shard]

._. what

[fading shard]

he sure is

you know what that means

[foggy stratus]

Fish!

[fading shard]

indeed

[fading shard]

he has light powers

he has soul powers

and is a greaet soul mage (we don't know what he can do with it)

he has dream powers

he has great seal powers, etc

and he has world sense

given he can give it to the hollow knight

and if you argue he doesn't

his light get's mentioned multiple times

by so many different sources

including comparing him to the radiances light

who is the literal goddess of light

[limpid summit]

Crazy potential

MY GOATTTT

[vestal swan]

Okay I really don't want to have a conversation in this channel I don't know but I'll do this once for the funny
He has advanced spells not powers
While his beacon touches on the mind there's no essence associated with it or him
Seals are intricate spells it's not really a power anybody really just has, there's literally a blueprint of one in the walls
World sense sure but that might just be his great intelligence but
Yes he glows that's a "power" I guess, I feel like y'all greatly overestimated how I argue this point for people to think I say this kind of stuff.
Also radiance is not THE God of light, she is a God who is a light

[whole holly]

i mean, i get what you mean, sorry for late reply

[paper mantle]

And foresight

[foggy fractal]

crazy megumi

🤔

[vestal swan]

The foresight was either limited or he didn't rely on it enough but it could all be seen as great intelligence and not a literal future sight ability. We never really nailed down how it worked because the game doesn't give enough info

[paper mantle]

Claiming part of Unn's lands yes

Is not a colonialism analog?

Exactly

I agree

Agree, he is a God-King
I love that title

I love that journal entry

[paper mantle]

Mm... oh, wait

[random harbor]

Lore Tablet: Fungal Wastes - "Will of the Wyrm"

Warily shall we accept the will of the Wyrm.
Its prescience shields us.
Fate and Future we shall entwine.

@nostor_10. used /lore-tablets area: Fungal Wastes name: "Will of the Wyrm"

[paper mantle]

No, forgot it

I would have sworn they was saying 'premonitions', but I was wrong.

[whole holly]

hey nostor

[paper mantle]

Hi, Nick

[whole holly]

what's the topic?

[fading shard]

presience means being capable to foresee the future

"the supernatural ability to perceive events before they happen"

[fading shard]

in folklore foresight means this

[fading shard]

She is a god of light

ANd he doesn't just glow

the game mentions the power of his light a lot

you realize being compared to the blazing light

[lapis creek]

seems like it is now but my point is that wasn't true before

[fading shard]

and the absolute ferociy her light powers are is

[vestal swan]

No I was just pointing out that she's not like the God of all light which is what that sentence originally would read like

[fading shard]

ah that's my bad apologies

[vestal swan]

Also the comparisons don't mean anything besides them both glowing

Their strength is not properly being compared by the peasants

[fading shard]

The seer compares him to the radiance

and state that they forsook the radiances literal light that spawned them

for the pale kings

and this isn't even metaphorical as they literally are talking about light here

and the pale king is called kinglight

[vestal swan]

Yes I know all of the lines from seer but she never really gives a comparison about their powers, I'm not saying he doesn't glow but it's just not really a measurement of his abilities

[fading shard]

he get's compared to the delicate flower

that's a power statement regardless of it's proportion

[vestal swan]

Are you talking about the memory cutscene?

[fading shard]

no

if you bring the delicate flower to amelitia she marks how striking similar the delicate flowers and pale kings light is

As the moment she sees it, she thinks of the pale king

now her statements other thent hat are completely invalid

as she's biased to a incredible length and knows nothing about the damn thing

what we do know from it is that the two share a similar pale aura

to be compared

[vestal swan]

I think that's just another thing saying that they both glow, she's not a well-informed person about his abilities

[fading shard]

which no matter how you spin it is impressive

[fading shard]

that's still a statement

[vestal swan]

You're putting a lot of emphasis on things that don't really have the weight you're putting behind them, none of these people really know about the powers to compare and they're just talking about that he glows

[fading shard]

it literally hurt to look at him

[vestal swan]

Yeah

Him being bright is not a measurement of power though

The fact that he glowed like a light bulb tells us nothing about his power set

[fading shard]

what about his soul prowess

we know he is capable of dealing with soul

and kingsouls charm is both named by him and remind the white lady of him

[vestal swan]

He's not doing anything extraordinary with it that isn't really comparable to the seals and spells we see

[fading shard]

and additionally he's the one that placed all those soul totems

[vestal swan]

Oh see he did not do that

Soul totems are from the ancient civilization

[fading shard]

the soul totems in the white palace

[vestal swan]

At best he reverse engineered some and put them in his Palace, but they predate him

[fading shard]

not the soul totems from hallownest

they literally are based off the ancient civilizations soul totems

and please powder I beg of you not to dismiss this as well

as it feels as though you just do so on purpose

[vestal swan]

Yes based off of, reverse engineering, not his invention, not a product of magic that we can say he did

[fading shard]

if it has any relation with the pale king specifically

[vestal swan]

Just tangentially being tied to him does not inherently make it an ability he has

[fading shard]

yeah and he pumped a huge amount of soul into it

[vestal swan]

They collect soul from the area around them that's what they're designed to do, he didn't pump soul into any of them

At least I think that's what the flavor description says somewhere

[fading shard]

where did you get that statement from

[vestal swan]

But either way the ones you're probably thinking of with the infinite capacity exist only in the path of pain the fabricated part of the palace that is not physically real

[fading shard]

I'm talking about the ones that aren't of path of pain

they still contain a ton of soul

[vestal swan]

They behave exactly like other totems

[fading shard]

and a lot more then any of the ancient vilizations

[vestal swan]

And nobody pumped those full of soul

[fading shard]

yeah and it's incredibly impressive that the ancient civilization did that

and it's just as impressive he was capable of doing it too

[vestal swan]

More? There's only two of them that aren't inside the path of pain, the Kingdom outside of the palace has like 20 of them

[fading shard]

soul

a ton more soul from them

[vestal swan]

Oh they have more soul to be knocked out?

Before going empty

[fading shard]

by a wide margin yes

did a whole test and everything on how much they gie

you can test it for yourself if you don't believe me

[vestal swan]

I believe you that they have more capacity, I just don't think it says anything about his powers. If anything it's a knowledge box being checked off, and intelligence. He had to learn how they worked and take them apart and build one regardless of where the soul comes from that fuels it

[fading shard]

what about the powerful seals he created

they are the most impressive we've seen

and before you say the moth tribe had a part of it

seer states it was the pale kings concoction

and also there's the whole thing that unlike with the seal of binding which we get the smallest little thing to showcase they aided in the seal of binding

the other seals he placed have nothing suggesting they were anything made but by himself

and that includes the white palace

and that incredibly powerful seal on it that needs you to literally get the fully awakened dream nail to wield

and please Poowderedwater do not try speculating on this one, as while yes

I get the soul totem thing

honestly fair enough on it

this one you have to give credit to him

[vestal swan]

While there are powerful seals we cannot really assign to anyone but him, one of the most important seals we see looks like it was designed by Weaver's and we know they are adept at creating seals to bind up even gods

Oh wow you typed a lot while I was typing hold up a second

Concuccion?

[fading shard]

I did mention the weavers participating in aiding with the seal of binding

[paper mantle]

The powers of Pale King

[vestal swan]

Oh I must have missed that

[fading shard]

wait where did I say concuccion

[vestal swan]

I assume you mean concoction?

[paper mantle]

Is it mentioned anywhere besides Bardoon?

[vestal swan]

The mushroom tablet and hornet in silk song both mention it

[fading shard]

By the mushroom tribe

and they mention it being presience

and also a mushroom corpse

[vestal swan]

I think hornet mocks him in one of the dialogues with snails (?)

I might be insane though

[paper mantle]

And plus, Radiance itself refers to him as the shining crow.

[vestal swan]

What

No?

[fading shard]

no

[whole holly]

where?

[vestal swan]

Radiance never refers to the pale king as far as I remember

[fading shard]

the radiance talks about the vessels but never the pale king himself

[vestal swan]

Yes she's just having a lot of loud angry thoughts at TK during the fight

[fading shard]

you forgot mylas dream nail dialogue

where she demands her to kill the "empty one"

[whole holly]

i wish we knew thoughs of GMS during the fight

[vestal swan]

Well yeah but I meant specifically dialogue directly from the radiance that's about as close as you get

Cant you get some? I know trying to use the needle during fights is horrible but don't most bosses have extra dialogue

[random harbor]

Myla - Before being infected - Listening again after acquiring Vengeful Spirit

Ohh, bury the knight with her broken nail,
bury the lady, lovely and pale!
Bury the priest in his tattered gown,
then bury the beggar with his shining croooown!
Ha ha ha! Are you suh... surprised? I remembered the second verse! Lots of time to think while I work down here. Maybe I can even c-come up with some songs of my own!

@nostor_10. used /npcs misc name: Myla category: Before being infected dialogue: Listening again after acquiring Vengeful Spirit

[fading shard]

gms is immune

[paper mantle]

Ta' dah

[vestal swan]

Ah

[fading shard]

do we have any mention of the dream nail dialogue

from the big mushroom corpse

talking about the pale king being capable of foreseeing a fate unavoidable

[vestal swan]

"What good is it to foresee a demise unavoidable" it's basically mocking him

[fading shard]

it is mocking his foresight

what's good your power of foresight if it all results in a demise unavoidable

[whole holly]

yea, you were right, that's myla under radiance's influence

[paper mantle]

😁

[whole holly]

i am glad you could clear it up for everyone about your claim!

[fading shard]

she's not infected at that point though

[paper mantle]

What doesn't convince me is that it says "knight with her broken nail"

[whole holly]

i guess you could argue she is process of becoming inflected with some kind of trace like state, it is weird to explain song without myla's infection as reason

[fading shard]

also the pale kings lingering power is what was capable of bringing the godseeker to hallownest

And I know about the Pale kings beacon

but they refer to his lingering power being beacon enough

not his beacon capable of expanding minds

[random harbor]

Myla - Before being infected - Listening after acquring Vengeful Spirit

Oh, hello again! Are you still running about? Why not join me d-down here? There's plenty of wealth in these rocks for anyone willing to put a bit of work in!
Those crystals out there are worth a fair b-b-bit, but I have a feeling that there's something even more valuable hidden just a bit deeper in! I can almost smell it! Ha ha ha!
You're welcome to join me, there's enough for both of us! Or if you don't feel like d-d-d-digging, you can just sit and sing with me! Ha ha ha!

@nostor_10. used /npcs misc name: Myla category: Before being infected dialogue: Listening after acquring Vengeful Spirit

[vestal swan]

Yeah because his beacon shouldn't really extend outside of the Kingdom but she has tools for and is actively searching for powerful beings.

[random harbor]

Whispering Root: Crystal Peak

...Light refracted....
...Energy contained...

@nostor_10. used /whispering-roots name: Crystal Peak

[paper mantle]

Thank you!

[vestal swan]

This is about how the batteries/crystals work. Soul is also called a light I think

[whole holly]

you make great point nostor, crystals refracted radiance's light and i guess that's how myla succumbed

[cloud bison]

Everyone listen up

We all agree that hornet says git gud right?

[paper mantle]

Nop, the soul emite light, yes, but is never mentioned as that

[paper mantle]

Maybe

[whole holly]

yea, i think you are right

[whole holly]

probably

[paper mantle]

Exactly

[fading shard]

There's a huge difference to when the pale king talked about his beacon and when the godseeker says it

"The Wyrm becomes beacon, minds expanded," here he states that he himself will become a beacon capable of expanding minds

the godseeker goes on to talk about his power and how that was beacon enough to track down hallownest

not that it IS a beacon

they talk about his power

and this is the godseeker we are talking about powder

They are all about power

[vestal swan]

Yeah I was agreeing with that, that she didn't follow the beacon.

Yeah we stay hungry we devour yada yada

[random harbor]

Godseeker - Pantheon of Hallownest - Pale King Encounter

Even long departed, We feel the afterglow of the God-power that sat this throne... It lays heavy upon this kingdom.
That lingering power alone was beacon enough to draw Us to Hallownest. How bright it must have been to mortal bug stood before it.

@nostor_10. used /npcs quest name: Godseeker category: Pantheon of Hallownest dialogue: Pale King Encounter

[vestal swan]

But Godseeker also loves to glaze the hell out of everybody

[fading shard]

oh cool

[fading shard]

I feel as though the game makes a pretty consistent message on him being incredibly powerful with various different capabilities is all I'm saying

also world sense isn't being incredibly smart we get examples of it in silksong

with steel seer zi who to has the exact capability of what the lore tablet that gives you world sense states

she can sense the state of the world

and those around them

[vestal swan]

The example of it in silk song is a tool isn't it? so it kind of follows lol

[edgy nebula]

oh hey powdered water's back

[whole holly]

"That lingering power alone was beacon enough to draw Us to Hallownest. " likely is referring to his power, rather than actual beacon, since they said it was beacon enough for us, meaning that it served similar role for them

[fading shard]

no not farsight

[vestal swan]

Howdy, I might not stay long

[fading shard]

In the server?

how come

[edgy nebula]

nice to have you back even if you dont stay

[vestal swan]

Ya

[fading shard]

zi herself has the power

not affiliated in anyway to the weavers

just part of her powers

[whole holly]

yea she does, also Masters do too

[vestal swan]

Zi is a construct though

[fading shard]

the nightmare heart also has a version of world sense

[whole holly]

i agree,

[whole holly]

scarlet eyes?

[vestal swan]

The nightmare heart doesn't really have world sense so much as I think it's collecting information from the essence it eats

[fading shard]

their capable of seeing and sensing a lot

[fading shard]

no

brumm mentions

that they had to go to the farthest reaches

to escape the nightmare heart sensing and seeing them

and what their doing

[whole holly]

Grub's also can find their way home, like ecolocation, right?

[vestal swan]

Brumm was wrong about the exact thing you just brought up because he thought he was out of the sight

[whole holly]

Grub’s Extrasensory Ability

[fading shard]

and he was

[whole holly]

wdym?

[fading shard]

nothing suggests the nightmare heart knew

there's no dialogue of it ever confronting brumm

or even mentioning anything about it

if you continue to do so

[vestal swan]

Brumm gets left behind, with no obvious ill effects towards the troop or being "freed"like he thought he was doing. It seems pretty obvious they found out what he was doing and just left him behind instead, the ritual "freed" himself

[whole holly]

i wondered about it

[vestal swan]

Unfortunately this is nonsense

[fading shard]

no the achievement states it's banishment

[vestal swan]

It doesn't line up with the map any way you try to turn it and it doesn't have any other connections

[whole holly]

to you maybe

[fading shard]

he was freed

there is nothing suggesting they didn't banish them from hallownest