sk-lore

[midnight reef]

looks like a depiction of a Weaver or of GMS

[sinful nimbus]

I can kinda see weaver

[edgy nebula]

https://youtu.be/PnAmy7PbMjI?si=Id1PNinSuBTSXpcu the ai voice gives this theory alot of aura

[exotic pendant]

is your bilibili the same name

[edgy nebula]

it's not my video

[exotic pendant]

oh

[sinful nimbus]

why he sound like dark comeback

[spark valve]

it's just a shape used in their architecture

[foggy fractal]

fuh naw bro the ai voice makes it lose million auras

[exotic pendant]

that's makes me question why you stumbled upon that video

[foggy fractal]

me

🐺

[edgy nebula]

he posted it in this chat asking for opinions, i can reply to his original message if needbe

[exotic pendant]

oh

[sinful nimbus]

i watched dark comeback so many times the song is lowk starting to sound tuff

[split charm]

holy larp

[edgy nebula]

honestly i do wonder where garmond lived

[sinful nimbus]

back off buddy. you wouldn't want to see how calculated my darkness really is, would you?

[foggy fractal]

mine is even more calculated. back off.

[sinful nimbus]

lomm found baby garmond on a piece of driftwood in the sea and took him in as one of his own

[edgy nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/643952812975325185/1163111891342729266/ezgif.com-video-to-gif_1.gif

[exotic pendant]

"how calculated my darkness" WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEA-

r you the void or smth

[foggy fractal]

you wouldn't get it.

[exotic pendant]

only the void can have a calulated darkness attack

[grave stream]

why does void attack?

[exotic pendant]

it wants to eat my soul

[grave stream]

is it a substance or life-form or both

[spark valve]

And lomm loved and nurtured him which is why he ended up weak and dead

[sinful nimbus]

many such cases

[grave stream]

whose lomm again

[edgy nebula]

void can sense and consume soul so i assume it lashes out to consume the soul in a bug’s body

[exotic pendant]

not sure if even the ancients are sure about that

[grave stream]

and hornet has the silk hearts

[edgy nebula]

i dont think its ever rlly explained tho

[grave stream]

oh the trailer guy

pharloom bay dude

[sinful nimbus]

zero ball knowledge

BARNACLE bay

sheesh

[grave stream]

i'm not a lunatic conspiracy theorist

I still think we will save garmond

....we will

.......we must

[covert night]

poop shaman

[near jasper]

Garmond gets a grave on the bone bottom cemetary in act 4

[foggy fractal]

so immersive 🥹

[grave stream]

i will jam plasmium into his cold dead veins until his heart starts beating.

Zylotol said plasmium may defy death and i hope to god he's right

[exotic pendant]

what even happened to the alchemist

sure his assistant got revived but he died (?)

guess lifeblood overgrew

in him

[trail wagon]

Do we know why GMS wanted Hornet to be brought to her for sure?

What if she just wants a Weaver to "witness her waking" for the love of the game?

Dramatic ahh

[near jasper]

No

[exotic pendant]

it's heavily implied that all weaver decendants are brought to be consumed by her

the cut ending isn't cannon but it shows what they're going for

and lace told hornet in game smth like "letting you live was me rebelion spider, she (gms) didn't get your power"

the power COULD be servitude but consumption is more likely

[midnight reef]

Which is what the cut ending shows

GMS binding Hornet

[idle mesa]

true

wait whats the discussion now

[flat dragon]

whats the ||Needolin|| dialogue in the room with the ||soul vials ||after ||goal the great||

[void patrol]

Idk, check the wiki or yourself

[flat dragon]

not on it

[void patrol]

Then check it yourself ig

[flat dragon]

i dont want to replay the entire game and go through all of bilewater and get full silk in bilewater just for dialogue

[void patrol]

It doesnt stay after the fight?

[flat dragon]

no you need to needleon before picking up the ||soul||

[void patrol]

Oh, then if no one knows and there is nowhere then the only option is to well, speedrun for Grol

[flat dragon]

cant no spare save slot

[void patrol]

Then get someone who didnt kill groal

[dire lynx]

there isnt any

also, this is a spoiler channel, dont need to censor stuff

[void patrol]

He copy pasted from #sk-help that's why its censord

[dire lynx]

oke

[fading shard]

oh hey unn

[flat dragon]

they sent me here saying "ask those nerds you won't get info here tbh"

[void patrol]

Bruh

[hearty forge]

What do y'all think about silksongs story

[fading shard]

mostly good

a few things a bit poorly done

but in general pretty great

[hearty forge]

What do you think is the best part

And the message

I feel like it's kinda unclear

[fading shard]

it's pretty clear

motherhood

tyranny

societal hierarchies

[sturdy arrow]

Terrible.

No thematic coherence.

[pseudo narwhal]

Also about finding your own identity, if we speak about Hornet personal story

[sturdy arrow]

Her identity is being racist

[pseudo narwhal]

Okay, if you see it that way, I guess?

[sturdy arrow]

She sees it that way.

"The less these gruesome bugs breed, the better."

[foggy stratus]

Shes only racist against one group of, admittedly kinda gross, bugs. Not excusing her, but she's not like the KKK or some shit where its her entire personality.

[pliant meadow]

Also they did kidnap her

[void patrol]

And they ruind her childhood dress

[sturdy arrow]

None of this justified wanting their extinction.

[foggy stratus]

So did the Citadel but I dont see her calling for all the Choristers or Envoys getting systematically killed.

[sturdy arrow]

They were following orders.

[void patrol]

So yes
https://tenor.com/view/daleks-exterminate-doctor-who-whovian-gif-10468156

EXTERMINATE!

[pliant meadow]

They didn't take her clothes 🥀

[foggy stratus]

They took her sword tho.

And her silk skills.

[void patrol]

EXTERMINATE THE FLYYYYYS

[sturdy arrow]

Her clothes, that are lined with dangerous tools and sharp spines?

[foggy stratus]

And her fancy tools.

[pliant meadow]

It was still in the cage with her

[sturdy arrow]

Hornet should feel thankful the Citadel didn't take her cloak as well.

[pliant meadow]

Take the tools but at least don't make her sit in a cage in the nude 😭

[void patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/daleks-exterminate-doctor-who-whovian-gif-10468156

[sturdy arrow]

Her entire cloak is dangerous.

[pliant meadow]

How is it dangerous without the tools

[foggy stratus]

Legally not allowed on a plane.

[sturdy arrow]

It's lined with steel spines.

[pliant meadow]

Not steel, also they're woven into the cloak, they're harmless

[foggy stratus]

That only happens after she arrives in Pharloom.

[sturdy arrow]

Sorry, I thought we were talking about the Slabflies.

[pliant meadow]

So did I 😭

[foggy stratus]

I thought we were talking about when she got dragged into Pharloom.

[pliant meadow]

No I was saying that the slabflies didn't need to take her clothes

[sturdy arrow]

Her cloak should've been confiscated both times.

[pliant meadow]

Why 😭

[foggy stratus]

I mean thats seemingly how she equips tools tho.

[pliant meadow]

Take her tools but let her stay clothed 😭

[foggy stratus]

They were all freaks tbh.

[sturdy arrow]

No, they weren't

It was for safety. Hornet is dangerous.

[pseudo narwhal]

I mean, wardenflies are basically local gestapo who imprison and punish local citizens for some bs reasons and not even real crimes
And they kidnapped Hornet only because she is half weaver
Enough reasons to hate them tbh

[sturdy arrow]

Don't even compare them to that

They're slaves.

[foggy stratus]

Hate, yeah. Wish for total annihilation, no.

[sturdy arrow]

They're forced by the Weavers to do that.

[pliant meadow]

The weavers are long gone. I think you mean the citadel

[sturdy arrow]

They didn't even hurt Hornet they just took her stuff and put her in a cage

[sturdy arrow]

The Weavers imprisoned them in the first place. Either way, they're just following orders

[foggy stratus]

They stuck her in a rune cage which specifically drains her strength.

[sturdy arrow]

That doesn't hurt her, it just weakens her.

She could've hurt them if they didn't weaken her.

And Hornet proves that right.

[pliant meadow]

'Just following orders' is never a good excuse

[sturdy arrow]

Why not?

[foggy stratus]

She hurts them because they kidnapped her and stole all of her shit.

[pliant meadow]

It's not a justifiable reason for heinous crimes, not that simply imprisoning Hornet is heinous (though stripping her of any clothes could be considered such)

[sturdy arrow]

Again, they took her cloak because it's dangerous.

It was necessary.

[pliant meadow]

Give the girl SOMETHING I mean come on!

Don't make her sit in the cage naked

[sturdy arrow]

And why is it not justified for them to do their job? They're enslaved and probably under the threat of death.

[pliant meadow]

'Probably'

[foggy stratus]

Its only actually dangerous when Hornet goes out of her way to make it so. Its just a cloak that let's her float when she gets imprisoned.

[sturdy arrow]

You've seen how horrible the Citadel is.

[sturdy arrow]

She could use it to escape.

[pliant meadow]

We can't just assume things without evidence

[foggy stratus]

I dont see any Citadel guards in the Slab.

[sturdy arrow]

They're right outside

Two of them at least

[foggy stratus]

Most are dead by that point.

[sturdy arrow]

The Haunting brings them back.

[foggy stratus]

Only when Hornet gets near them. For a significant amount of time, presumably, the Slab is unsupervised by the Citadel.

[sturdy arrow]

The Slabflies aren't innocent but you can't really blame them for what they do.

[pliant meadow]

Only after Hornet stirs GMS when she enters choral chambers

[sturdy arrow]

Also, the Slabflies dropping rosaries is just a game mechanic. They're most likely not paid.

[foggy stratus]

They could also just steal them. The Stilkin dont drop them even tho it would be convenient.

[dire lynx]

the journal entry is the same weather you get captured by the flies or not.

[pliant meadow]

I'd assume that's not canon; tc aren't gonna rewrite all of the slabfly journal entries just in case people get to the slab some other way, only for 70% of the community to not see them

[foggy stratus]

Tbh that could also just be them not being able to easily make two different entries trigger from the same circumstances.

I think the reason they could do it with the little guys from the Whispering Vaults is because Act 3 is a massive shift that could more easily cover that up.

[exotic pendant]

the underworkers:

no the rosary drops are deinitely a lore thing

[sturdy arrow]

What?

[exotic pendant]

some underworkers only drop ONE rosary

[sturdy arrow]

Sometimes it's for lore, yes.

[exotic pendant]

how is rosary drops not a lore thing

why is it only sometimes, what defines that even

[sturdy arrow]

But the Slabflies are explictly said to be slaves. They can't be paid.

[exotic pendant]

if they have considered the underworkers, they would have considered the slab enemies

[sturdy arrow]

What?

[exotic pendant]

they even considered the slab enemy with hornet's cloak to have a different sound for the poshanka taunt

if the slab flies truly are NOT payed

[sturdy arrow]

"Will you tell me of those who guard this structure? They are servants of the Citadel, are they not?
Servants...? They too are penitents. In a past age, that caste committed their own sacrilege against the Citadel.
A sin long forgotten, but so grave that their offspring and the offspring of their offspring carry the guilt with them still. To serve here is their only hope of absolution."

[exotic pendant]

they will NOT drop many rosaries

[sturdy arrow]

They're slaves.

[fading shard]

I am aware but it's still a bit weird in my opinion mate

[exotic pendant]

sure they are slaves
but that doesn't mean suddenly rosary drops aren't lore important

[fading shard]

I mean Idk if I prefer that over being a maggot honestly

[sturdy arrow]

If they're slaves, why would the rosary drops be lore important?

[fading shard]

The entire species of maggots got hated on by the entire damn land

[candid linden]

do bugs not mind being put in a trance by needolin

[sturdy arrow]

What?

[fading shard]

I mean it ws cute seeing one of them saying garama whilst playing with her needle

[fading shard]

the maggots

from holow knight

[sturdy arrow]

What about them?

[pliant meadow]

Such disgusting creatures evoke no such emotions within me

[fading shard]

you do realize they had it pretty awful right

like it's not even on the kingdom itself

it's just that apparently everybody just hated the poor things

[sturdy arrow]

Worse than the Slabflies?

[sturdy arrow]

No?

[fading shard]

I'd say so yes

idk if horf o unn or anybody else would agree with me though

but that's my personal opinion

[exotic pendant]

I'm just saying by saying this specific rosary drop being disregarded as just being game mechanic is just choosing to ignore specific parts of the game

[sturdy arrow]

But they're not paid. So the rosary drops have to be not lore accurate for the Slabflies.

[fading shard]

._. uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[sturdy arrow]

What?

[fading shard]

well I do agree with loacl that them dropping rosaries shouldn't be taken as not being lore accurate

after all they made it pretty consistent in lore

the only enemies that even drop rosaries are ones that have an interest in it

[sturdy arrow]

The Skarrs?

[fading shard]

yeah they have an interest in it

you realize that only skarrs and craws also drop rosaries right

other then that it's pilgrims

and individuals linked to the citadel

[ashen bay]

is pharloom connected to hallownest? im playing act 3 rn and im in the abyss, and i saw that one crawling creature which is literally the same one as there is in the abyss in hollow knight

[fading shard]

like the stillkin

[fading shard]

no

[cinder storm]

no theyre abyss creatures

[remote dew]

the skarr accept rosaries for trading

[ashen bay]

so the abyss is just something that every kingdom has

[remote dew]

at least the one did

every kingdom got they tortured soul chamber

[fading shard]

yes the void canonically

is across the entire world

[cinder storm]

yes, every kingdom also has big ancient bones i think

like

big ancient creatures

bugs

[fading shard]

there's a lore entry that states by hornet that you can find the void and abyss across the entire world of hollow knight

if you go deep enough

so yeah

[cinder storm]

uhh

why is the nameless town named nameless town

was there a town before in the wastes

[fading shard]

well yeah in that specific place there was a small town

we get some needolin dialogue next to a fossil

which states that they existed there

then the weavers happened

and most of them went down

to the false promises of the citadel

[cinder storm]

what do yall think of the theory abt the godseekers being above pharloom when they used the thing that led them to hallownesy

[fading shard]

possible

the terrain is rather different though

for example the fact there's spikes here

[cinder storm]

i like to think that they didn't classify gms as a god bc they think gods like the radiance (not phisycal) are superior

[cinder storm]

could've formed through time

[fading shard]

they literally came to hallownest

because of the pale king

and in pantheon 5 they talk about the actual higher beings

like the white lady and unn

[fading shard]

quite literally the only similarity the two things have is that one cave

[foggy stratus]

They know GMS for thr fraud she is. Fraud Mother Silk.

[cinder storm]

gms is such a bum

the only thing we saw her do is give intelligence to the weavers

transforming them into what they are

even i could do that

[fading shard]

https://youtu.be/wETPiXZyOTU?si=B0L_abCgnI5TPVEe

https://youtu.be/NdbnwaC6_yo?si=oe7BMn-laiLsDm1O

pretty big differences in everything other then the small little cave

[fading shard]

Grand fraud silk?

[foggy stratus]

Grand Mother Fraud.

[cinder storm]

ditlev made a cool concept map for some hk kingdoms but it might not be so accurate

[fading shard]

so there's like a good 25% chance it is true

maybe even like a good 40% chance that the theory is correct

[cinder storm]

i rlly hope a bit of pharloom gets fixed in sea of sorrow

[dire lynx]

they rewrote the entry for the vaultborn, why not the flies, especially when the implications are so disgusting

[stoic harbor]

I think sea of sorrow could lead to part of land of storms 🥹 and then we can have godseeker dlc in there

[cinder storm]

i dont see a bright future for bilewater and putrified ducts tho

[pliant meadow]

No chance mate

[cinder storm]

nothing interesting happens there

except the pale lake

[stoic harbor]

[pliant meadow]

:3

[stoic harbor]

But there's loads of lightning in the trailer and stuff

[cinder storm]

godseekers again is too repetitive we need somethign better

[pliant meadow]

Lighting can happen anywhere!

[pliant meadow]

Yeah we need something new

[stoic harbor]

So theres potential

[cinder storm]

lighting, before the thunder thunder

[pliant meadow]

._.

[stoic harbor]

[cinder storm]

will sea of sorrow start behind the weavernest in bilewater?

bc theres a hidden entrance

clean water

[stoic harbor]

It would be cool though to see more about the godseekers origin and stuff

[cinder storm]

also some sea stuff

[stoic harbor]

It could

There's other parts of bilewater too

[whole holly]

there are multiple possible entrances

[cinder storm]

i wanna know the backstory of the third pinstress too

[stoic harbor]

I feel like if sea of sorrow is only in act 2 that would suck for people with only 1 save in act 3, so if it was accessible in both act 2 and 3 then that would be good BUT if its only in act 3, that adds a TON more content to act 3, making act 3 feel even bigger and cooler

[pliant meadow]

Ngl I'd rather just get new stuff

[cinder storm]

the pinstressess are the same species as the little shits from bilewater

[stoic harbor]

But why 😭 we barely see anything about the godseekers so far

[stoic harbor]

Stilkins?

[cinder storm]

yes

[pliant meadow]

We see so much thooooooo there's an entire dlc abt them :(

[stoic harbor]

Groal is unc to them

[cinder storm]

a biome i find pretty interesting is wormways

[stoic harbor]

Yeah but we know barely anything and it would be sick to explore the land of storms

[cinder storm]

cuz

were there always worms

if not where did they come from

or was wormways part of khann's empire

[pliant meadow]

It would be sicker to explore somewhere new!

[cinder storm]

city of steel

[pliant meadow]

No, not happening.

[cinder storm]

😭

[pliant meadow]

It's just a throwaway name on a cage in the cradle, nothing more

[stoic harbor]

But this IS new 😭 it's literally just one tiny room in hk

[cinder storm]

what do yall think of the flower blooming on top of sister splinter's head

[pliant meadow]

It's so boring thoooooo

[cinder storm]

will nyleth be reborn

[stoic harbor]

It most definitely can, they've already made a ton of stuff to do with the city of steel in older silksong trailers

[exotic pendant]

could just be the whole "life sprun from the death" thing, not nessisarly nyleth being reborn?

[pliant meadow]

I don't think there's any link between the splinters and nyleth

[stoic harbor]

Not nyleth but smth similar

Very similar

[cinder storm]

but sister splinter might not be a random name

[stoic harbor]

It isn't really boring, it would be so cool

And there will be an entire sea as well

[cinder storm]

sister splinter reincarnated?

[stoic harbor]

What if they are the same 😳

[exotic pendant]

uh, I don't think so?

[pliant meadow]

That was to do with the steel assassins, nothing to do with city of steel. People just assume they're connected bc of the mention of steel (the citadel is described as being made of 'brass and steel' by shakra and no one suspects it's connected to the steel assassins!)

[cinder storm]

i dont know

[stoic harbor]

Two sides of the same coin

[exotic pendant]

still don't know why steel is connected to permadeath in any way

[cinder storm]

how did nyleth even die

[stoic harbor]

Death

[exotic pendant]

never mentioned why she died

she just, death

because

[stoic harbor]

Because the soul is made of steel 🤔 and steel can't uhh idk

[cinder storm]

where even is her room or body

[pliant meadow]

Hornet literally kills them

[cinder storm]

NOT in the dream

[foggy stratus]

I dont think she's actually desd.

[stoic harbor]

She's in the statue

[exotic pendant]

it would make more sense if it's glass

[cinder storm]

gulp..glass soul

[stoic harbor]

Maybe we will find out in ACT 4 CITY OF STEEL 😳😳😳😳

[stoic harbor]

Just living life on radiant 😭

[exotic pendant]

if there is unironically an act 4 I will kill someone out of rage

[stoic harbor]

😭

[exotic pendant]

watch out, it could be u

[foggy stratus]

Kill your local congressman

[stoic harbor]

😳

[cinder storm]

unpopular opinion but phantom is better than lace to me

[foggy stratus]

She just is tho.

[stoic harbor]

Extremely valid bro

[cinder storm]

should've given her proper dialogue

[exotic pendant]

watch me grab a truth nuke

[remote dew]

exploding in chud rage because i didnt grab the gooplesnapper in act 3 to progress to the new act 4

[stoic harbor]

Also why does phantom look like the wraiths?

[cinder storm]

she wears a mask

[remote dew]

timezones 🙂‍↕️

[foggy stratus]

Its the other way around.

[stoic harbor]

[stoic harbor]

😭

[stoic harbor]

Yeah

[exotic pendant]

the wraiths are like, came from phantom

[cinder storm]

plus isnt she part void? or silk i think

i dont remember

[exotic pendant]

void>

no no no no void

[stoic harbor]

Silk bro 😭

[exotic pendant]

she just black because wither, not void

[foggy stratus]

No Void. That's the Vessels' thing.

[stoic harbor]

Void isn't introduced until act 2 true ending

She's entirely made of silk

[foggy stratus]

Or Summoned Savoir

[cinder storm]

but vessels are 100% void

[cinder storm]

ah

[stoic harbor]

Wait why don't we get a silk heart from phantom

[stoic harbor]

True

[foggy stratus]

Closer to like 75-80%

Our shells arent Void.

[exotic pendant]

approximately 76.3884% void

[cinder storm]

i didnt mention hornet tho

[stoic harbor]

Shade is but not the shell

[stoic harbor]

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[foggy stratus]

Hornet isnt Void.

[stoic harbor]

Neither did we 😭

[exotic pendant]

wtf mossbag

[fading shard]

it 99% chance will be act 3

[foggy stratus]

We got Cross Stich and she's too worn out to give enough Silk for ts.

[stoic harbor]

I really hope so, that would be so cool

[cinder storm]

sorry i got confused

[stoic harbor]

I suppose

[remote dew]

she too old 💗

[stoic harbor]

Maybe phantom is alive then

[fading shard]

the city of steel is connected to the steel masters

[stoic harbor]

Trust

[exotic pendant]

she too wither 💔

[fading shard]

or well likely

[stoic harbor]

Old but old

[cinder storm]

what will you have after 500 steel soul runs

[remote dew]

its ok she still is awesome ilove her aesthetic so much

[foggy stratus]

"V2 could be reconstructed"

[exotic pendant]

I'll probably be dead unironically ngl

[stoic harbor]

[exotic pendant]

who v2

[remote dew]

me personally probably arthritis and nerve damage. maybe robot joints

[fading shard]

the boss rush in P-3 is possible

I'm telling you

We have death catchers horf

you can't ignore the death catchers

[foggy stratus]

Growstone.

[fading shard]

Hakita can ignore them as best he can

[foggy stratus]

I haven't played Fraud yet.

Im trying to P Rank the prior levels first.

[fading shard]

I'm sorry for spoiling

[foggy stratus]

Eh I've already been fairly spoiled.

Not a ton but enough to know some about Death Catchers.

[cinder storm]

but where did the worms come from in wormways

[fading shard]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-a-terrible-friend-annie-edison-community-i'm-not-a-good-friend-gif-16243989327241927203

[cinder storm]

or were they always there

[fading shard]

sorry again horf ;-;

[fading shard]

species

[exotic pendant]

they just live there I think

[cinder storm]

that explains the small judges

theyre kinda worms

too

[whole holly]

i liked plasmified wormways, it otherwise lacked color

[cinder storm]

oh right

[fading shard]

oh hey nika

[cinder storm]

plasmium is gonna be a big problem

[fading shard]

actually should I just use Nick

[whole holly]

hey, abhiker, how are you

[fading shard]

I'm not sure if you're okay with Nika

anymore or not

[fading shard]

Eh wbu

[whole holly]

it doesn't matter, nika and nick are basically same

[fading shard]

hopefully lifes been treating you well

[whole holly]

i am doing okay

[whole holly]

thanks, you too abhiker

[whole holly]

so do you guys think wormways should be plasmified

[exotic pendant]

what does that imply

wormways just kinda exist, whether or not it's plasmified I don't really like

[cinder storm]

plasmium at this point is gonna reach the place where we found that one crest

uhhh dcant remember the name

[exotic pendant]

wanderer

[foggy stratus]

Wanderers?

[cinder storm]

yea

[remote dew]

you're like. the thinker . its just another species though i think. there was this one guy that did a video on classifying all of the silksong enemies in different biological terms, i forget who but im sure its easy to find. but lots of things in the games are examples of convergent evolution, where bugs in completely opposite areas evolved to have the same traits while not being related whatsoever. so worms are probably in lots of places and just happened to evolve to look and behave a lot like other things we've seen/might think of

sorry long typing my cat was pestering me

[fading shard]

I do like what happened to the wormways I just don't like what they did to the enemies

the wormways itself I think was done great

absolutely loved it

just think the enemies could have been done a bit different

[cinder storm]

"thank you greymoor" "what" "because you're..grey and, moor.." "oh, yeah"

[whole holly]

i get that, enemies are annoying

[remote dew]

it is bedtime now. 6am so i survived a fnaf night accidentally instead of sleepin she will have her breakfast soon while i sleep

[reef bluff]

GUYS GO ON SK DISCUTION FOR TWO SECONDS

THERE IS STEEVE JOBLESS

I'M NOT EVEN KIDDING

[pseudo narwhal]

I like plasmified wormways
When I saw plasmium vines spreading outside wormways into the bone grove it felt very... disturbing

[foggy stratus]

Its so sad that Steve Jobs died of ligma.

[reef bluff]

GO ON HK DISCUTION

[whole holly]

true, almost as if there will be event there because of plasmium

[foggy stratus]

Dude calm down.

[reef bluff]

TRUST ME

HE IS RELEASING ENCANTATIONS

[remote dew]

your entire profile makes all of this check out honestly. let's use inside voices maybe 😭

[cinder storm]

WHAT is that pic my guy

[reef bluff]

XD

ESTRIPER!

[foggy stratus]

Sir, please relax.

[reef bluff]

I did this with a group of friends

[pseudo narwhal]

It has really clear infection vibes
Like when you see || infected crossroads || for the first time, but now it's blue xD

[exotic pendant]

what so this isn't a scene in the movie?

[cinder storm]

i am glad the abyss is smaller but more intricate in sk

[foggy stratus]

Tbh it feels larger to me.

[cinder storm]

the old abyss only had more open spaces

thats why

[exotic pendant]

probably because this abyss had more things to do

[foggy stratus]

It had the one giant vertical room.

[exotic pendant]

and hornet dived pretty far down

[reef bluff]

Yeah the climb

[cinder storm]

how do i get in the slab i alr got the fast travel so the dudes cant cage me

i only got the apostate key

so i opened a few doors

[foggy stratus]

Do you not have the Slab Bellway?

[cinder storm]

yes

fast travel

[foggy stratus]

Then use that?

[cinder storm]

but i said i dont have the other keys??

[reef bluff]

That's what i was thinking too

[foggy stratus]

I dont know then. Ima check yhe wiki real quick.

[prime kayak]

.

[cinder storm]

my file is currently 15 hours and 30 minutes can i beat the game in less than 30? i only got a few quests remaining

[foggy stratus]

The same place you usually get it i think?

[foggy stratus]

If you go fast probably.

[cinder storm]

i found the apostate key where in bilewater

a corpse had it

[foggy stratus]

Maybe check out the other kidnapping spots then?

Like the one in Far Fields.

[fading shard]

depends if butter went to act 2 or not

[cinder storm]

i did

theyre not there

[cinder storm]

im on act 2

[fading shard]

mhm

did you already go to the slab

via choral chambers

[cinder storm]

yeah

i only got the apostate key like i said

am i softlocked

no

[foggy stratus]

My best bet is that you get them in the usual spots.

[reef bluff]

And you have not been catched?

[cinder storm]

no

[cinder storm]

i saw someone say that if u unlock the bellway in the slab theyll stop spawning

[reef bluff]

Then you should be able to access the slab from the sitadel no?

[foggy stratus]

Go to the places you get them if you get kidnapped normally.

[reef bluff]

With apostate

[cinder storm]

well not bilewater cuz theres the corpse of the guy with the key

who was supposed to kidnap me

[reef bluff]

Random ahh bugs

[reef bluff]

One is in greymore i think

[foggy stratus]

Was the Bilewater guy in some random enemy thing when you got the Apostate Key?

[cinder storm]

infront of the bellway entrance but hes not there

[cinder storm]

yeah there was already an enemy there

[foggy stratus]

The Apostate Key isnt one of the two keys you get from the actual Slab.

[cinder storm]

i know i said i got it in bilewater

[foggy stratus]

You got it from Putrifed Ducts.

[cinder storm]

from the corpse of the guy who was supposed to kidnap me

[reef bluff]

Maybe we should take that to sk_help

[fading shard]

they are gone

by that point

[fading shard]

they stop spawning the moment you even geti nto the slab

[fading shard]

You can't anymore by that point horf

[lyric rose]

The name of the ruined chapel foreshadows the Shaman Crest.

Every other area known as a “chapel” contains a new crest

You might forget the ruined chapel because you go through it before getting any new crests, and because it’s not labeled on the map, but when you return in act 3, you might start to question the name, especially with the way you enter a door to reach the shaman’s room.

Also “ruined chapel” goes way harder as a name than “old church”

[midnight reef]

it is not a chapel in the same way the others are though

it retains features of the pre-release chapels, when they were locations, not one-time entries for a crest

[limpid summit]

I could see that

That’s interesting

[whole holly]

to be honest , Ruined Chapel is lore-wise best designed chapel and my personal favorite

[foggy stratus]

I want to see an atheist in SoS.

Someone who refuses to belive Higher Beings exist.

[fading shard]

I don't think that'd be possible

it'd be like saying the earth is flat

[foggy stratus]

I want them to have Flat Earther levels of confidence in that.

"That's not a God. It's just five guys in a trench coat."

[fading shard]

"dude you can literally see him being a blinding light"

[foggy stratus]

"Nuh uh"

[fading shard]

yk what yeah a flat earther in hollow knight but with higher beings would actually be hilarious

[sinful nimbus]

Powdered homage

[foggy stratus]

What happened to them anyways? Last time I was super active they were here, then when I got back from mu hiatus they were just gone.

[sinful nimbus]

just dipped one day

[twin dragon]

who that

[sinful nimbus]

👶

[twin dragon]

Bum i've been here before you were

[sinful nimbus]

googoo gaga?

[twin dragon]

[foggy stratus]

Old man.

Need your arthritis cream?

[twin dragon]

Am old!

[fading shard]

?

who's powdered homage

can I get some context

[sinful nimbus]

old lore user who didn't like the idea of PK and WL having powers 👴

well besides the beacon

[limpid summit]

Ts mad powdered

[twin dragon]

shit there are gods in magical world

[fading shard]

._.

can you uhh reply to him

to one of his old messages i mean

so I can then just use in to yk see what's he's said

as reading past dialogue sounds ufn

[limpid summit]

#hk-lore message

This was abt moving WP

I wonder if he read FS’s journal entry and smiled

[lapis creek]

how do i link a message

[fading shard]

oh I know that guy

[lapis creek]

we need to show abhiker the elite powdered classic

[fading shard]

Oh hey man

[lapis creek]

#hk-lore message

[limpid summit]

I wish powdered had stuck around for longer after SS there was crazy megumi for convos with him

[low oracle]

The white particles in the white realm, from the palace of the guy whose colour is white, of course he couldn't have done it himself. Who do you think he is, a god???

This is so stupid...no offense but it's unnecessary questioning for blatant things.

[limpid summit]

TRUE

[twin dragon]

Starpengu 2

[fading shard]

ah

honestly idk how he thought it had to do with silk or the weavers

they don't even have anything to do with the dream realm T_T

[foggy stratus]

John Copium

[fading shard]

as in I have copium or he does

[foggy stratus]

He does.

[lapis creek]

im looking at this now and wondering if white lady's insatiable desire to breed is a manifestation of the pale beings' tendency to conquer the world

that they allegedly have

[foggy fractal]

I mean I guess thats a way to look at it with silksong in mind

[foggy stratus]

Probably more like a characteristic of Roots as a whole. They seem to have a built in desire to procreate, more so than just natural desires. Greyroot has it to a degree, just with rebirth instead of 500 parent less children.

[lapis creek]

that could be true but we don't have as much of a window into greyroot's thought process here

whereas with wl we know that she got to a point where she felt that tying herself up was the best way to never have children again

[sinful nimbus]

WHAT

ts happened yesterday too

[lapis creek]

did it

howd it go

[twin dragon]

limbo

[edgy nebula]

is this a sarcastic what or a genuine what

[sinful nimbus]

not good

[edgy nebula]

star is in a wl timeloop

[sinful nimbus]

genuine

[foggy stratus]

So uh I have a theory on why Herrah is so bloated.

[lapis creek]

forgive me i didnt do the required reading

[foggy fractal]

bad enough for a mod to come in

[lapis creek]

OH NO

[foggy fractal]

it got pretty wild

[lapis creek]

well i dont really agree with the initial premise that it's a means of obtaining worship

[foggy fractal]

me neither

[fading shard]

do tell my friend

[fading shard]

btw andy

Half life

or portal

[foggy fractal]

I'm a chud I haven't played either

so I can't give a good answer

[fading shard]

Also I wish to ask every single one of you, how today has been treating you

and if they are going bad is there anyway I can make you guys feel better

[lapis creek]

my thinking was more along the lines of that both her and hornet are shown to be essentially at the mercy of these urges that override their morality

[fading shard]

cause I care about how you all are doing

[foggy fractal]

I woke up like an 40 minutes ago only word I have in mind is hot bro theres like a storm or smth thats making the temperature go way up

it was like 15 ish then jumped to 30 degrees c

[foggy stratus]

So firstly Herrah is the way she is in Red Memory due to the birthing process for hornet, and the way she is while a Dreamer is due to her basically sacrificing all of her Silk to the PK since she wouldn't need it. So as a background, the more Weavers use their the more their bodies break down since they were never initially intended to have Silk in the first place.

[lapis creek]

maybe at the mercy is the wrong word but at the very least they have to take measures to get around them

[fading shard]

that doesn't work given the pale king

[twin dragon]

Maybe

what about the horns

[lapis creek]

i mean yeah i think this narrative about the pale beings requires some retcons on how the king ran his business

[foggy stratus]

Good ol' Pharloom Diver theory, my beloved.

[twin dragon]

pharlid diver uh

i mean

hornet's the only one doe

herrah i mean

[fading shard]

if they do so

then I'll be disapointed

[twin dragon]

The pale king being a unique case is honestly quite good

[foggy stratus]

GMS misinputted while evolving the Pharlids and hit a Diver.

[lapis creek]

isnt it already done

[fading shard]

this is what I hope will be the case

that he somehow broke that said rule

as an exception

[twin dragon]

Maybe the pale king himself partly circumvented the domination nature and instead found giving his subjects a fair place more fulfilling

[lapis creek]

like if what they say about pale beings is true he is at least a special case because there's little to no evidence of that kind of behaviour from him in the original game

[twin dragon]

There's dominion but there are different kinds of dominion

[lapis creek]

he did brazenly lie to his people

[twin dragon]

for their own good apparently

[lapis creek]

well

idk

[twin dragon]

Hallownest society was also seemingly half-centered religiously around him

there's a big ass donation statue in basin

and idols

[lapis creek]

if there were foreign countries wouldnt it be nice to know about them

oh yeah they did think he created the world

[foggy stratus]

It would only work on those he uplifted the minds of. And to them, he may as well have made the world. So it's true, from a certain point of view.

[lapis creek]

which like

[twin dragon]

But that might be bugs worshipping him themselves instead of something state mandated

[lapis creek]

you can have a society with both creation myths and actual science

[twin dragon]

Those 2 usually don't go together well

But pharloom is a thing so they didn't give a fuck

[lapis creek]

it only really becomes a problem if like the geologists and the physicists and whatever are being hunted down for heresy

[fading shard]

I mean yeah he is a god

lemm states he was both king and god to the people so yeah

[lapis creek]

i was talking about the last and only civilization stuff

[foggy stratus]

I mean, it could still be true.

[fading shard]

that was his intention

[lapis creek]

there are many things that people could have come up with themselves but this is just a lie

[fading shard]

well yeah it is a lie

[twin dragon]

he intended it to be the last civilization

[lapis creek]

did the people of hallownest know about other kingdoms though

[fading shard]

I'm glad we agree

[twin dragon]

It wasn't really like

propaganda

to the bugs i think

[lapis creek]

he told them there was no world beyond i forgot about that line

[fading shard]

There were literally tourists and pilgrims coming to hallownest constantly

one of his knights literally comes from the land serene

I feel as though the people atp would realize that there is more

[lapis creek]

im inclined to agree

it's not very good propaganda

[fading shard]

Listen if one of the legendary knights is literally a foreigner, and Hallowenst had constant pilgrims, wanderers, historians and tourists coming to the damn place

Seriously Hallownest was incredibly well known across the world and was said by a different pieces of dialogue on how many came to the kingdom and still did after it's fall

[lapis creek]

well the people don't have to know zemer is a foreigner but thats the less important point

[fading shard]

her literal title was mysterious ze'mer

[lapis creek]

sure but that doesnt really prove anything

in isolation

but yeah im not really suggesting that people didnt know about the outside world

i guess we are left to conclude that pk didnt care so much about the mythology around him, to the point where he told lies that he could easily be caught in

and people still worshipped him anyway

this would never work in real life, of course

[fading shard]

and is shown to be one of the greatest kingdoms out there

which had constant attraction

so I really don't think the people didn't know

[lapis creek]

if you assumed that the people didn't know you would have to assume that he did something about the intelligent bugs who crossed the wastes

right

[foggy fractal]

that or nobody gave a gaf

🤔

[fading shard]

._. how

he's literally said to have been really reclusive

[lapis creek]

im not saying he did it himself

it's an absurd concept but not for that reason

the idea is that it would be impractical to stop the knowledge from spreading

[limpid summit]

I think “no world” could reasonably be assumed to mean a world without sapience

Because that wouldn’t be a world worth living in for Hallownest’s chosen

No world beyond like yeah there’s other lands but you’ll be wandering the wastes insane

You’re not getting there

I guess he never really had to say he created the world

[fading shard]

the thing I'm curious about is did he genuinely see them as children

[limpid summit]

In a condescending way?

[fading shard]

no like

children children

because the hunter asks this

in one of his journal entries

[limpid summit]

I remember

Which one is that

[fading shard]

" Were his subjects companions, or toys, or children? Such a mind seems unknowable."

[limpid summit]

The bugs of Hallownest believed that their King created this world and everything in it. For what purpose, I wonder? Were his subjects companions, or toys, or children? Such a mind seems unknowable.

[fading shard]

the original wingmould one

[limpid summit]

Yes that

Yeah

He’s just musing

I don’t think he did

PK probably saw his subjects as beings representative of his strength and right to rule but as genuine individuals worth protecting above all else

[fading shard]

I do really like team cherry added that piece of dialogue

it really makes you just wonder more

[low oracle]

Well his subjects literally define his strength.

[fading shard]

?

[fading shard]

wdym

[sinful nimbus]

...why do Isma and Nyleth speak in all lowercase...

they got a typing quirk

[foggy fractal]

the defeat dialogue is captilized for nyleth though right

[twin dragon]

do they speak

[sinful nimbus]

very puzzling

[foggy fractal]

...We are life... We are growth... What world without us?...

[sinful nimbus]

they think in lowercase anyway

[twin dragon]

so nyleth screams in lowercase in her fight

[violet horizon]

Eh why is Silksong ending basically the same as Hollow Knight

Well the basic one?

[sinful nimbus]

both are kinda standard bad endings

As in its a "Making the same mistakes as in the past" type of deal, but Silksong kinda deviates from HK ending by being a continuation of a cycle of oppression and a statement on power corrupting

HK was more about resisting time being futile and stuff

[fading shard]

I mean literally getting your identity and person overriten by gms is certainly a ending

HOrnets genuinely an idiot for that

like what was she expecting

She just went on to have her entire being, identity changed to gms

like Hornet did you think that through

[foggy fractal]

pk genes kicked in

[fading shard]

??

if her pk genes kicked in she wouldn't have done something that stupid

[foggy fractal]

well pk is stupid now read the wingsmould journal entry

(Silksong)

[fading shard]

what about it

Her calling him foolish

[foggy fractal]

🗣️ A crude construct of my father's fallen domain. Only a fool believes that void can be fashioned to do their bidding.

[fading shard]

it being a false fly

[fading shard]

that

Idk what you're point here is

that doesn't really imply him being in anyway stupid

[foggy fractal]

if anything Hornet is

[fading shard]

I mean yeah she is

[foggy fractal]

more so her pale genes
even though that wasn't really a thing back in the first game

Hornet: I'll not deny some part of me desires that outcome... Dominance, it seems, is baked deep in my blood, as too, no doubt, for the one up top.

Hornet: You were mortal bugs, caught beneath a being pale... Devotion or destruction... these are the only fates my kind allow.

you get the drill

[fading shard]

I knwo all of these pieces of dialouge

[fading shard]

and I'm not sure how that relates to this

[foggy fractal]

I'm just taking the piss with that
its a jab on how Hornet speaks about her father in the second game

[fading shard]

Well yeah deserved sir andy

also andy hope you've been well

[violet horizon]

I feel like im missing a lot lol

Um

[foggy fractal]

same to you
anyways at least the weaver queen ending is presented as bad and theres the whole act 3 thing because Hornet specifically wants to avoid that outcome

[fading shard]

?

[violet horizon]

Idk seems so far eh

Un imaginative same endigns and well

Oh secret ending is the tru ine etc

[tawdry flare]

yeah Silksong isn’t exactly known for its riveting lore

[violet horizon]

Oof

I do love the citidel music tho

[pseudo narwhal]

conspiracy theory: Hornet desire to reach GMS, awake her and bind her is actually GMS's subconscious influence (she is most likely connected to all Silk, including the one Hornet produce)
dominance and control are also very characteristic for GMS

[sinful nimbus]

red memory made me cry 🥹

[foggy stratus]

Since the Silk is woven from Hornet's Soul it's her Silk, not GMS's. She'd probably also blame it on PK's genetics tbh.

[pseudo narwhal]

well, she is kinda biased on everything about her dad :)

[paper mantle]

Why do the game characters say "god" but not "goddess"?

[pseudo narwhal]

well she has been told from the young age she should "proof herself more weaver then wurm", as being a wurm is something bad

[foggy stratus]

I guess that term doesn't exist.

[pliant meadow]

Ngl god sounds cooler, that might be why (like how the mantis lords are called lords instead of mantis ladies despite all being women, bc mantis ladies doesn't sound as cool)

[paper mantle]

Thanks

[lone folio]

I think they wanted her to be more weaver so she would go after GMS

Or at least help them out in some way

Maybe the weavers wanted to use her to maybe make hallownest go to war against pharloom or something like that

Or just cuz they could 🤷

[foggy fractal]

"Flee, sisters. Flee until your strength exhausts, so far you may escape at last her silken sight.

To start anew, to sustain, free of web and service eternal."

nah the weavers who ran didn't really want to deal with gms anymore they wanted to start anew

[lone folio]

Oh yeah

[trail wagon]

I noticed something interesting, it seems not even the Weavers were allowed to hear the melody of the Vaultkeepers

[pseudo narwhal]

well probably they wanted something like this
but the way it sounds will also make some influence

[trail wagon]

Also, Fearful Pilgrim mentioned that bugs used to use golden carriages to ride bell beasts. Could this be one of them?

[lone folio]

Doesn't really add much to the lore tbh

[pseudo narwhal]

1 they run into another angry goddess
2 they didn't have Hornet as Weaver who also a demigod

[lone folio]

Huh?

[trail wagon]

It might

[foggy fractal]

what does this have to do with the weavers not wanting hornet to go after gms

[trail wagon]

Architects' directive forced them to do constructs for the Weavers, tho a lot of people think they weren't built by the Weavers but by the Conductors

[robust wagon]

Maybe yeah

[trail wagon]

But despite the Weavers not even being around anymore, they still revere them

[trail wagon]

But the Vaultkeepers don't seem to follow this same order. Cardinius says "NEVER pass to a bug not a KEEPER"

[fading shard]

She blames everything on her dad

She'd blame her dad for having a cold

[fading shard]

seems like it

[foggy stratus]

Could also be for carrying goods around.

[fading shard]

actually there isn't any mention of them riding bell beasts

just using gilded carriages to traverse

through said travel ways

[trail wagon]

true, but I would imagine a carriage needs someone to carry it

and bell beasts would be very good for it

Also considering the fact the one we meet actually follows the bellveins

I don't think a wild beast would do that even as a form of gratitude for Hornet saving them from the web tbh

Also, do we think the druid is just tripping or it's actually a vision of the past?

[edgy nebula]

probably a vision of the past

itd be a real specific drug trip if it isnt

[trail wagon]

||methberry||

[trail wagon]

Does that suggest GMS was dancing?

Beat harder, sounds like it's some kind of ritual

At least something I would imagine

[edgy nebula]

shes referring to the old hearts of pharloom

[trail wagon]

Oh probably

that makes sense

[edgy nebula]

voice of the woods is nyleth and dance of the queen is karm

she also mentions them in her needolin dialogue

[trail wagon]

it might actually only be nyleth

cause idk if Karmelita necessarily dances

The druid might be born of Nyleth?

[edgy nebula]

iirc it's something like "in fields, in woods" and "in coral, in shell"

[trail wagon]

Like Nyleth was the wood seed

and perpahs at some point moss groto was connected to it?

true

interesting

"why not here"

cause you ain't so important dude 😭

Interesting

"Listen to your sisters, little one, and grow!", it's referring to Hornet?

[unique tangle]

Why not here, and grow and grow, seems to be referring to her wanting to create a new heart

[trail wagon]

maybe idk

curious as to what this was used for

[unique tangle]

Mask maker is the only thing it reaches

[trail wagon]

true

but idk if the Citadel would want it

also mask maker's gotta be super old ass

Might've even outlived the Weavers, I wouldn't be surprised

Cause he knows about the GMS

Almost no one knows about her existence

I just realized that the reason why there's now a cult in Bilewater obsessed with extracting souls is because their homeland was shat upon

[glacial shoal]

imagine ottoman era (1916) artilery in the gam

it could be a supporter for grand reed enemies

[trail wagon]

also, is that the same Weaver?

[unique tangle]

Yeah it’s always been confused why the citadel set up a whole ski lift on the far side of mount Fay

How on earth were they even gonna get there?

There’s no clear citadel-made tunnel through the mountain

[sinful nimbus]

no

[trail wagon]

I don't think it's for the mask maker

[sinful nimbus]

found in a different location and there were different crews with their own losses

[trail wagon]

I've heard theories that actually mount fay used to not have snow

the reason why it's cold there is because there's coldshard

[unique tangle]

It’s not the only citadel scaling operation to try to get up the mountain either

[trail wagon]

well, we know that the Weavers built their stuff close to the Fayforn's nest first

Fayforn ALLOWED them to

And it seems like the Citadel's constructions were never fully finished

Cause it doesn't resolve anywhere, it's not clear what it's for, doesn't look complete

perhaps they wanted to mine something there

[unique tangle]

Considering how they built what looks like a ornate ski lift there

I doubt it was for anything industrial

Otherwise it would more resemble the style of heavy duty construction seen in underworks or like deep docks

[trail wagon]

well, that's clearly the Citadel's construction

[unique tangle]

Yeah I’m not saying it isn’t

I just don’t think it looks like a mining operation

That would require more industrial stuff

[trail wagon]

but there's no evidence of anyone crossing

[trail wagon]

Agreed

Well, yeah, there are envoys there

I mean their corpses

They definitely wouldn't mine

I mean there are rings

So prolly they did construct them

I don't think the Citadel structures were built there during the Weavers' rule personally. They already had structures of their own

I feel like sometimes different types of structures feel a bit too disjointed and it's not clear how they coexist personally

[unique tangle]

Yeah that’s the iffy part

Makes no sense why they set up a whole ski lift station but no proper road to reach it

There is actually a noncanon explanation for this

But as it is now it’s confusing what the whole point of the citadel on mount Fay is

[trail wagon]

true true

Unless there's a pathway that is unavailable

But yeah, i agree

[lucid knot]

The z-axis?

[unique tangle]

The noncanon explanation is more explaining how this whole area ended up like this

It’s cut content

There used to be a bellway in the west end of mount Fay

Which would explain why and how the citadel only set up a whole ski lift base there completely disconnected from the east side

[lucid knot]

Having Citadel infrastructure would make sense if they wanted to build aqueducts that would draw water away from Karak.

[trail wagon]

wait fr?

[trail wagon]

it's possible that by the time they were constructing this Karak was already withered

btw, why exactly did it wither?

[unique tangle]

yeah the room names are still called bellway

[trail wagon]

I've heard a theory that the water that used to flow there would come from mt Fay, and now that it's frozen there's no more water

[unique tangle]

you can also spot the bellway on some old development maps

its not a lore explanation, so its noncanon

[trail wagon]

somehwere here?

[lucid knot]

If the High Halls are filled with ever-flowing water, I'd have to assume it's to paint the picture that the Citadel draws in a ton of water just as it does exude tons of organic waste to the Putrified Ducts.

[trail wagon]

wait, this is super interesting, I've never paid attention to that

[lucid knot]

Or... Bilewater, since that's where the Exhaust Organ is.

[unique tangle]

here

[trail wagon]

interesting

[trail wagon]

what are these yellow shits

[unique tangle]

probably more clawline hooks

[trail wagon]

true

I'm always looking for new stuff ahhaahha

green somethingness

[unique tangle]

green is indication of a room transition

[trail wagon]

ah alr

I'm seeing it in the other areas as well, I see

What are the pipes in the Citadel are used for?

[midnight reef]

Pale Lake

before it made it into the Gloom

then Putrified Ducts

[graceful quarry]

It seemingly gets used both for the citadels steam network aswell as to let the sound of the song in the citadel reach Grand Mother Silk

[trail wagon]

Ye

[trail wagon]

Where does it start tho?

Also one of them literally opens for Hornet to enter

I've heard many theories about why and how the FS was captured, but why has no one thought that she could've been captured by the Conductors?

[midnight reef]

why would they?

Her cage is in a long forgotten place of the slab, and is litterally called the First Sinner

She was imprissioned for spreading the heresy of "We are not Divine" to the other Weavers

If anything, the Slab was build around her cage

[craggy smelt]

I don't even think she was really 'captured' at all
she's in one of those stone cocoon things that the other entombed Weavers are in, in all the burial spires
it's cracked and broken, her corpse lop-sided, and it's got gilded Citadel bits sticking out of it
it looks like the whole cocoon was ripped out of somewhere else and dragged to the cage

[exotic pendant]

what's the cradle flower lore

[sturdy arrow]

They look cool.

[void patrol]

And they are white

[low oracle]

Anyone have any interesting theories about related species / connections between different bugs?

Like Elder Hu being part of Shakra's tribe, Xero and Garro being Karaka, God Tamer wielding a Karaka sword, etc.

[sudden ore]

hornet is spider

[fading shard]

Xero being karakan genuinely is not supported by anything

I'll be honest we genuinely make connections with characters that aren't intended to have connections

especilly when there's so many designs one can make

And hallownests great sentries wear red armor that is a similar color palette to the karakens

when thinking of character relations regarding especially hollow knight

[low oracle]

For Xero and Garro its the same, but faded out. They also share the black line pattern, the style of white eyes in a black helmet and the black/gray shoulder pads. It's my headcannon as I can't see anything against it, and I also really like Xero.

[low oracle]

But Garpedes have already canon relation to the Silksong things in the surface climb part. And Elder Hu is another case of "why not?".

[fading shard]

1. the karakens are extremely loyal to kRust king khann

2. they don't wield nails

3. Xero is called a warrior of hallownest

[fading shard]

I'm not arguing when it comes to Garro

[fading shard]

but xero is extremely far fetched

xero talks about the pale king and being a warrior in hallownest that hoped to get rid of the infection and got plagued by it in the end

nothing to do with the karakens

and hallownests great sentries also bode armor of a similar color

[fading shard]

and you have to think of what team cherry was thinking for that time

instead of character designs made 8 years later

Additionally the idea of the characters from pharloom travelling to hallownest is extremely far fetched

as we're shown how long the journey is

[lone folio]

I dunno he doesnt look very karakien

[fading shard]

and whilst yes crowds of tourists and all

[low oracle]

It's a headcanon either way but:
-Garro and Xero have the EXACT SAME arguments to be made when it comes down to similarities
-Xero could have had the mothwing cloth and nail(s) given to him, they aren't organical components
-Being a warrior of Hallownest means he was a soldier, not that he was an original resident

Just because he isn't defined as a karaka doesn't mean he is one. Saying he doesn't relate just ignores actual details. And they did take inspiration from their previous game, sooo........

[fading shard]

Thank you tytus

[fading shard]

He's clearly supposed to be an elite soldier of hallownest

[low oracle]

Nothing I heard up to now actually contradicts what I'm saying. There isn't anything actually saying " he was never outside of Hallownest" or such. It's just "he doesn't use the same weapon".

[fading shard]

Shakras tribe was a tribe who didn't care for the weak

and were in the outer edge of pharloom

and elder hu literally tended to those infected

[low oracle]

umm......

[fading shard]

"Wrrior cartographer of a tribe from Pharloom's edge. Her skills in battle could challenge the kingdom's best."

look up her journal entry

[low oracle]

The Karaka are at the edge too, just saying.

[low oracle]

Shakra proves there are outliers though.

[foggy stratus]

No, they're in Pharloom proper. Even had Citadel Archeticure in it.

[fading shard]

shakra literally had to have an entire character arc

for half of the game she bashed on the pilgrims and others for what happened

Elder hu came to hallownest to help from the get go

[low oracle]

Their area is just that big, but it extends to the edges. You know, like the "Watcher at the Edge"?

[fading shard]

and has a whole different mentality

shakras tribe mentality was about being as strong as possible

and even a developed shakra retains those core values