sk-lore

[blissful harbor]

that’s bad gate design

[civic elm]

She is named by her third mother so around how she stings

[blissful harbor]

she’s named by vespa, who is a wasp queen in a bee nest so

[rustic junco]

"Hello, welcome to Pawn Stars, here I have 'ancient magical bug seal' to buy, so I brought my buddy Jeff the seal spell expert"
"It's a dumb lock actually"
"Yeah Ill give 5 geo for that"
type of logic

[rustic junco]

I mean, in that case, is it more likely Hornets get used as names?

[civic elm]

It only works once

[civic elm]

He paied all his geo on shaws

[rustic junco]

Does that mean we will see Mr Anomalocaris one day

[civic elm]

Yes in pale king dlc

[rustic junco]

And what about the trilobite?

[civic elm]

Also on pale king dlc

[rustic junco]

Im genuine rn, what is that whole thing about

any ideas or nothing?

[cunning cradle]

i looked into it online

the inner stuff seems to be a half dream world half real world sort of situation

the beast isn’t even actually there, as he only fades in with the dream world particles

it is highly possible that you could get into the inner area, but you wouldn’t actually see the beast at all

the lifeblood is a direct connection with the god, therefore allowing you to commune

oh also i thought it was interesting

before people were saying that not all gods were pale beings and not all pale beings were gods

but what’s interesting is that every god besides the void and the pale beings is related to dreams somehow

lifeblood god, nightmare heart, radiance

Not sure if Unn is directly related, but she created the mosskin from her dreams

[stray knot]

why could hornet only bind to kill gms? why couldn't she have just killed her?

[spark valve]

her evil instinct for domination takes over and she just does that

[cunning cradle]

if this was the case then why would she need the void to kill her?

[stray knot]

no? she very clearly says she doesn't want to bind her

[spark valve]

and she also says she knows she has a strong instinct to do it anyways

[cunning cradle]

if she can’t resist binding her, then how does she resist and play the needolin?

[spark valve]

It's feelin' almost time, eh, bellringer? You and her who waits up there. That fated meeting won't hold forever... Ready to make your play, to oust one ruler and claim her place?

Hornet: I'll not deny some part of me desires that outcome... Dominance, it seems, is baked deep in my blood, as too, no doubt, for the one up top.

[cunning cradle]

some part 😭

[cunning cradle]

the most likely answer is that it’s impossible to kill a god in that sort of way

either god v gods or take away those who worship them

[stray knot]

again she obviously had more than enough restraint to carry out that whole plan and play the needolin while she at the same moment could've just as easily binded her

it's just some part (a part that she obviously hates)

[spark valve]

yes momentary resistance which we're supposed to believe is born from gradual character growth leading up to silk and soul and actually resisting the urge long enough to finish a fight are different things

[stray knot]

silk and soul kinda only exists because she already had the restraint to not bind her

[spark valve]

in wq she doesn't

that's the point of divergence

[cunning cradle]

But any time hornet binds anything besides GMS, they’re already dead? If GMS really had that much fight left in her, why couldn’t she resist the binding like first sinner does?

[spark valve]

binding gms is the problem

[cunning cradle]

what

[spark valve]

seems pretty straightforward

[cunning cradle]

are you gonna vague post or are you gonna actually explain 😭

you either want to discuss lore or you don’t want to

[spark valve]

it's not vague binding gms is what causes wq... she can't resist the urge to bind gms...

[lone folio]

cough widow cough cough

[stray knot]

first sinner just caught hornet off guard, she though she was already dead

i think

[spark valve]

first sinner was already dead

[cunning cradle]

true but we just beat her in the exact way we did with gms

[cunning cradle]

what is wq?

[stray knot]

weaver queen, the ending

[cunning cradle]

ohhh

yeah sure, but if she’s able to resist binding her to play the needolin for like 5 seconds, why couldn’t she just deal the killing blow?

even the idea of killing GMS seems impossible, that’s why the caretakers assume that Hornet won’t do it?

[sinful nimbus]

imo the ending would be a lot more compelling if it was impossible to resist binding GMS and instead at the last minute the Pale King comes in and kills GMS as the eucatastrophe of the story

TC are stupid asf lowk hire me

[cunning cradle]

yes i see where you’re going with that

[spark valve]

breaking out the eucatastrophe 😭

[stray knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/911587456502075425/1479911912274788493/chirpycinema.gif

[lone folio]

Star had me in the first half

[cunning cradle]

it is weird that the HK sequel doesnt include the pale king

[lone folio]

It's not

[stray knot]

weird how they never bring up the pale king's step brother

the snail king

[lone folio]

This made me laugh 😭

[stray knot]

oh also dale king

he's the homonculous that emerged from snail king

[lone folio]

Riverdale California king

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet's malleable nature is from him which is a cool addition to the lore

[lone folio]

Son of bail king

[sinful nimbus]

As well as her ability to steal soul from other bugs like the vessels

[spark valve]

wyrms are still on top fraudloom has seen nothing real

[sinful nimbus]

I think anything beyond that would kinda be strange since HK was more or less his story and it was concluded in Dream No More

[cunning cradle]

no yeah i was joking I don’t really see them every making a story about wyrms ever again ngl

or if we do find a wyrm itll be a subversion of the trope

[stray knot]

i do want some more explanation on the blackwyrm though

[cunning cradle]

they are never doing that 😭

they made a godhome cliffhanger that they’ll most likely never follow up on

[stray knot]

wow you're so racissttttt wowwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[sinful nimbus]

its always blackwyrm but never knotted grove or champions call 😔

[cunning cradle]

didn’t they say that they would want more HK games to be self contained like silksong

[sinful nimbus]

knotted grove was Isma vs Nyleth probably

[stray knot]

fuck is knotted grove

[cunning cradle]

i think its ismas tier

sum like that

[stray knot]

ehhh high c tier i guess
/j

[sinful nimbus]

"The Champion's Call, the Knotted Grove, the Battle of the Blackwyrm... I remember it all. I will carry those glories with me always... until we meet again."

[lone folio]

"Champions call" was when dung defender challenged last judge to a boxing match

[lone folio]

Judge tried to make it a chess boxing match but dung defender declined. It was a crazy drama on bugwitter

[stray knot]

those bloody yewchewbuhs

[foggy stratus]

Still can't believe how hard Last Judge got folded.

[cunning cradle]

what mysteries from HK are even left that are interesting enough to follow up on

[stray knot]

what

[cunning cradle]

Like not namedropping some past event

[stray knot]

the great gorbening

[cunning cradle]

i mean like actual mysteries that we haven't had answers to

[stray knot]

is gorb not enough for you

[lone folio]

I liked the part when dung defender said "it's dungin' time" and started throwing his own feces at last judge

[stray knot]

shame

[lone folio]

Steel city

And that's it

[cunning cradle]

lwk what's even that mysterious about it

like maybe the potential of new void info?

or what their goals are i guess

[stray knot]

discover ham

kill ham mother oink

recruit hamstress

i want ham

[cunning cradle]

ham isn't even good tho

[stray knot]

go my 12 tons of honeybaked ham

flatten them

[sinful nimbus]

fighting words

[stray knot]

bold words coming from someone who's susceptible to hamcer

[foggy stratus]

Bring the HAMmer down upon them.

[sinful nimbus]

what if hornet got really nervous for her needolin performance so they gave her some gulka venom but her cold demeanor and daddy issues made her an unhinged nazi and she started hallucinating herself as a fascist dictator that uses hammer iconography

would've been a better act 3

[broken canopy]

#lore has loosened up a bit since last I remember

[sinful nimbus]

so true

powdered is gone no one is here to moderate us

[limpid summit]

Steel Masters but they made them boring

[cunning cradle]

when did they make them boring

[limpid summit]

Dead kingdom watchers

Like ten other factions

[cunning cradle]

oh fr? what suggests that

[near jasper]

Silksong

[limpid summit]

All small Sula's to bear... To watch, watch these lands dying, slow, the bugs suffering, falling, while our shell sustains...
The steelhearts feel so little... but we forced to serve, we endure it all. We alone. Why?

[cunning cradle]

sure but it doesn't really have to be their entire identity

[limpid summit]

“Compression…We have suffered it.”

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-mocking-joking-kidding-sarcasm-gif-5731274879454463322

[stray knot]

feel like it would've been a lot more fitting if the first silk heart had been given to fourth chorus, lore wise and because it doesn't have any reward

[stray grove]

The vast majority of the bosses in the game don’t have any rewards

It also wouldn’t make more sense for Fourth Chorus to have it

[stray knot]

why not? isn't it's whole thing that a bunch of those silk moths are possessing it?

[stray grove]

That’s not what silk hearts are

[stray knot]

guess i'm not exactly sure what a silk heart is lol

[stray grove]

Bell Beast having a Silk Heart is very random and it was originally intended to drop from Fourth Chorus

But I don’t think it matters

[limpid summit]

Silkhearts are just big concentrations of silk

So concentrated they tap you into the GMS mind

[stray grove]

What do you know

[limpid summit]

Wdym

[sinful nimbus]

foreshadowing the final boss after beating up a random wild animal

[stray grove]

Who are you to comment on Team Cherry’s artistic vision

You obviously don’t understand what they are so why don’t you just shut up

[foggy fractal]

subtle foreshadowing 🤫

[limpid summit]

That is literally what they are

[stray grove]

Says who? You?

Didn’t know you worked on the game

[stray knot]

bro IS grand mother silk
all hail the spirit of ash mother silk 😌😌😌😌😌🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

bro could lowfleaenuinely be the next president of earth 😌😌😌😌😌😌🙏🙏🙏👏👏👏👏👏

[foggy fractal]

gms?

hell naw bro!

[stray knot]

team cherry should give the rights to hollow knight to HIM 😌😌😌😌😌😌🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

bro's such an alpha silksonger 😌😌😌😌😌😌🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet: I have known your kind before, sir. Yours is a tribe that works and trades in power, and I am about to extinguish its prime source.

Hornet: Once this is done, will you truly delight in a land so bereft?
Aye, well... My family's marks are all over that trap. And we've spent a hard age avoiding the gaze of our god.
If we earned it now, after such open opposition... that's a bleak conclusion none of us'd care for.

aura

it really feels like you're saying goodbye before he becomes a part of the Hive Mind 😔

[limpid summit]

There was no interpretation in what I said

That is what it is

[stray grove]

Proof?

[limpid summit]

It insists upon itself

[near jasper]

Ngl

I feel like loam's death would fit better in act 2

[stray grove]

glup shitto

[midnight reef]

Fourth Chorus still has the Silkheart, it's quite funny

[foggy fractal]

elaborate

[midnight reef]

It's present within the game

[near jasper]

What

[foggy fractal]

is it just another TC were lazy and disabled it but like its still there

[midnight reef]

Likely

[glacial shoal]

also i've seen pharloom called one kingdom, but verdania, coral gorge (which ruled over half of pharloom at some point) and possibly the skarr kingdom are there. i'm a HUGE, HUGE history nerd and I was wondering how the hell does this work? Is pharloom an extremely unstable Holy Roman Empire clone?

[cunning cradle]

I mean hallownest is like this too

Pharloom and Hallownest are more like titles for the land

More so for pharloom tho

it seems to be that Pharloom is the total area, while the citadel is what the weavers ruled

[glacial shoal]

the citadel is shown to have some existing influence over these empires, who are proably extremely large on their own

[cunning cradle]

Yeah, every other kingdom in pharloom was crushed by it

[glacial shoal]

pharloom could refer to one confederation: like the 1840s german confederation, not one unified state but a sphere of influencial certain countries united to be the succesor of this new set of caves.

[fast lagoon]

i think pharloom just consumed them into one

like how hawaii is in the united states now

[glacial shoal]

bilewater, greymoor, coral gorge, verdania, the hunters march were all independent empires before pharloom and got incorporated, but i'm wondering is that did they have automonous rights? for example, if weavers REALLY hated buying silk spindles outside the citadel, in skarr-controlled provinces of the skarr empire within pharloom, could they make their own law about it? or were they just slaves for the citadel in the end? most of these had strong armies, khann's and bilewaters master blitzkreig and gurellia warfare so good you'd think they'd earn some weaver respect

[glacial shoal]

i see

[cunning cradle]

But not really lol, pharloom doesn’t control the sands of karak, or sinners road, or bone bottom

they have no influence there

[glacial shoal]

holy roman empire type shi

[fast lagoon]

they obliterated every sign of independent civilization there and as far as i’m aware consider them within pharloom’s bounds

[cunning cradle]

As far as we know Pharloom has always existed as a land that had multiple smaller areas that interacted with eachother

and no they did not?

not every area is going to have bugs of a higher mind

bone bottom is still filled with the skullcrawlers lol

[fast lagoon]

i guess bilewater and shellwood are still pretty independent (civilization wise) but still were extremely affected by the citadel

[cunning cradle]

the only other independent civilizations were verdania, the coral area, the ants, and nyletht

[cunning cradle]

they are more influenced by the haunting than anything else

[fast lagoon]

the us is still filled with native americans they didn’t get rid of everybody ✌️

[glacial shoal]

Actually, on the topic of HK, the hive and fungal wastes had it's own civilization, functions and people. did the pale king just leave them?

[cunning cradle]

Well sure, but we took complete control of their land and populated it with ourselves

[glacial shoal]

pharloom annexed them and removed their rights

[cunning cradle]

The citadel simply did not do that

[glacial shoal]

theory: pharloom is a monarchy and hallownest is a republic

[cunning cradle]

yes the pale king was an extremely effective negotiator

[fast lagoon]

bilewater used to be clean and beautiful until the citadel dumped all of its gunk in it

[cunning cradle]

hallownest was shown to be a monarchy?

[cunning cradle]

yes! but they didn’t specifically target bile water

[fast lagoon]

no yeah hallownest was a monarchy under king and queen

[glacial shoal]

mantis village and hive are independent or automonous i think

[glacial shoal]

oh

right

shit

[cunning cradle]

the citadel isn’t some evil force that wants control all of pharloom, it’s simply a way for them to make GMS stay askeep

[glacial shoal]

well then i feel like mantis and hive should have rebelled by now

i'd imagine their rebellious warrior nature would lead them to attack hallownest due to their disliking of the way a monarchy works

[glacial shoal]

the citadel is just one really big cave

[cunning cradle]

Pharloom isn’t much of anything tbh, it’s a theocracy with people at the top who created a currency so that they could live lavishy

[glacial shoal]

with a buncha silk making nerds in it

[glacial shoal]

LMAO

[fast lagoon]

“consume” by proximity i suppose, im honestly not sure if a couple of the areas are still considered pharloom

[cunning cradle]

well no? the pale king earned their respect and let them keep their territory

[fast lagoon]

but i’ve been led to believe so

[glacial shoal]

pharloom is fragmented: do yall think GMS was focused on uniting all of the kingdoms? these kingdoms were very much independent strong and unique so do they technically stay independent?

[cunning cradle]

Nothing suggests that the Mantis lords would hate monarchies when they themselves are ruled by lords

[cunning cradle]

anything in pharloom is considered pharloom because that is the name of this land

[glacial shoal]

are the skarrs still considered an empire when they're all haunted?

[fast lagoon]

the pale king offered regular, intellectually incapable bugs a mind to think through his pale-being abilities

[glacial shoal]

i mean i guess so

[cunning cradle]

not really

[glacial shoal]

right

[cunning cradle]

the haunting makes them think that they are listening to karmelita

[glacial shoal]

well

[cunning cradle]

but they are listening to gms

the mottled skars are the only ants to not be affected

[glacial shoal]

i always forget those major but seemingly diffrentiating facts 😭

[white copper]

The skarrs could make a comeback if hornet dosent murder karmelita

[glacial shoal]

i needa get my lore book up

[glacial shoal]

i guess so

[white copper]

But i think all the heart bosses dying is cannon

[cunning cradle]

tbf she’s at the end of her life cycle

[glacial shoal]

so do yall think when everyone was independent was pharloom a holy roman empire or a usa type empire

[fast lagoon]

especially since hornet is likely to just kill the last one for the memento 😭

[glacial shoal]

or were they all fully independent

[white copper]

She kills the main 3, finds green mopey gay man, and then kills him too

[white copper]

Yes but killing her makes the skarrs 100% doomed to fall to ruin, the bush girl says that

[cunning cradle]

there was no “big empire” because the lore makes it seem like most of the big civilizations existed at different points in time

[fast lagoon]

honestly i’m not educated on pre-weaver pharloom

[white copper]

At least if she lives she can teach someone else to sing

And the skarrs could return in a pharloom without the citadel

[fast lagoon]

what bush girl

[white copper]

The bush girl by the karmelita statue i forget her name

[fast lagoon]

my brain i’m trying to remember too i kinda remember someone being there

[glacial shoal]

khann and verdania probably co-existed, makes sense considering they're all concetrated into what is spoken of as "pharlooms general prime" where everyone flourished. Karmelita on the other hand has been here for a WHILE considering we see hundreds of ants and she can birth up to like dozens of thousands

[fast lagoon]

also i believe the ants really liked to expand influence whilst the other races (skarr, stilkin, coral) kept to their domain

[cunning cradle]

verdania was barely a civilization lol they fell even without the citadels influence

[fast lagoon]

the citadel kidnapped and murdered one of their 2 rulers ??

[glacial shoal]

kill khan - hope of returned empire falls
kill karmelita - hope of returned empire falls
kill nyleth - hope of returned ecoystem falls
kill clover dancer - empire is slowly returning
resolution: bug yaoi is important to lore

[white copper]

Verdania fell because the citadel killed one of the princes lol

[cunning cradle]

They didnt kidnap shit 😭

[white copper]

Kidnapped is a stretch

[fast lagoon]

ok i mean fake

tela

[cunning cradle]

the ruler offered themself

[fast lagoon]

take

[glacial shoal]

ant settlements in bone bottom/marrow or deep docks? or both

[white copper]

The other green prince sacrificed themselves to the citadel in exchange for them leaving verdania alone

They then immediately did not leave verdania alone

[cunning cradle]

pretty sure that it’s inferred that they did

[glacial shoal]

no they were a flourishing empire like moorwater (bilewater) and the coral gorge but for far shorter i suppose

[white copper]

And used that green prince soul to make cogwork imitations of them

[cunning cradle]

there’s like zero evidence that they didnt uphold their deal

[white copper]

Green prince basically says they just attacked after his lover died

[cunning cradle]

literally where?

[sturdy arrow]

Grand Mother Silk destroyed Verdania, not the Citadel.

[glacial shoal]

also they did fall with citadel influence, he gave his huzz to the citadel to turn into a robot and they STILL attacked his bum

oh

ok

[fast lagoon]

they encroached into deep docks and far fields mainly

[white copper]

Which are the surrounding areas

[glacial shoal]

they kinda hang out in the outskirts where it's easy to hunt and they show hunter-gatherer behaviors

[cunning cradle]

like i said, they weren’t an empire, they were villages at most lol

[glacial shoal]

skarrs using 2% brain power

[white copper]

They dont have a hold as much as just hunting around their area

[glacial shoal]

LMAO

i guess so

[white copper]

Also i love the vintage nectar lines

"Barkeep, it seems your cellar has an ant problem"

[glacial shoal]

also silksong/hk has trams, WORKING cogwork entire MULTIPLE STORY BUILDINGS and still no muskets?

[white copper]

Wym hornet literally builds a handheld railgun

[glacial shoal]

i would have liked to see like a flying enemy with a 1500s musket that would be a grand reed support

[fast lagoon]

you can literally craft a railgun fym

[glacial shoal]

that's form magic

that's from magic

i'm talking technologically here

rosary cannon exists so

why not a musket

[white copper]

Oh im sorry the BOMBS weren't enough?

[glacial shoal]

that's just volatile material in a pouch

[white copper]

You want MORE annoying ass ranged enemies?

[glacial shoal]

invented pretty early

[white copper]

The citadel was more focused on magic than tech

[cunning cradle]

all technology in this game is magic

[glacial shoal]

no a musket would be sick as hell, and you can balance it by making it those piss ass annoying MOBILE muskets that take like 8 seconds to reload and have bad accuracy but deal like 5 masks or something

[fast lagoon]

yeah even their clankers were powered by magic

[white copper]

The tech is powered by silkflies aka the souls of the dammed

[glacial shoal]

i suppose so but there are still cogwork machines (not the ones with magic, just the cogs) sustaining what seems like production for things

and trams in the first game

[fast lagoon]

the souls of anyone

[white copper]

Cogwork machines ARE powered by magic

[glacial shoal]

NOT THE MACHINES

[white copper]

They are all powered by silkflies

[glacial shoal]

THE COGS IN THE BACKGROUND BRO. THEY GOT AN ENTIRE COG SYSTEM RUNNING UP IN THERE.

ALRIGHT FINE BRO

[fast lagoon]

hallownest was much less developed technologically than pharloom, trams are about the extent of it

[glacial shoal]

right

and hallownest has like no military

lmao

[white copper]

Hallownest was much more "we got wall street and magic hobos"

[fast lagoon]

i believe they had an army ? they had a war at one point

[glacial shoal]

5 great kngihts and some dudes

[fast lagoon]

i might be wrong

[glacial shoal]

no?

[white copper]

I dont remember hallownest ever going to war

[glacial shoal]

LMAO

[fast lagoon]

against the black wyrm

ball knowledge lore

[cunning cradle]

magic is much cooler than the steampunk magic anyway

[white copper]

Ehh

[glacial shoal]

bro i just wanna see a musket enemy and an artilery enemy that use authentic 1550s era weapons that are accurate and work like the actual guns

[fast lagoon]

especially when you make a handheld railgun

[fast lagoon]

me too tbh

[white copper]

But like only the weavers even made a gun

[fast lagoon]

forget daughter

forge

[glacial shoal]

a musket enemy with gold plated and silver guns could REALLY give the citadel aesthetic to our BRAND NEW flying enemy rage bait weapon

[cunning cradle]

doesn’t even fit with the games aesthetic tho

[white copper]

She didn't make it, she fixed an existing design

[fast lagoon]

that is true

but she fixed it in her own unique way with its own unique shooting style

so she must have some firearm know how

[glacial shoal]

i mean we have pimpillos, concepts of bombs definitely. rosary cannons too. something styled like the rosary cannon with 1550s flintlock/musket and gold and silver could actually fit.

[white copper]

I mean that shooting style is basically just a worse version of hornets

The architect one at least was actually unique as a burst fire weapon

[cunning cradle]

so like 3 things that aren’t even used by anyone but hornet

[fast lagoon]

yeah

[fast lagoon]

they were used by others at some point

[white copper]

A flintlock is just the silkshot

[fast lagoon]

actually i can’t remember what the pimpillo is made from

[cunning cradle]

sure but not in game?

[fast lagoon]

yeah

[white copper]

It appears to be volatile material from the wisp thicket

[fast lagoon]

also how crafty is hornet to be able to construct any weapon out of shell shards

[white copper]

Very

[glacial shoal]

No. As a musket nerd:
Silkshots are literal magic silk powered railguns.
Muskets ue ramrod and ball, can work really well with citadel themes, and combined with flying reeds, and maybe artilery with an artilery enemy too, you can make the citadel army look organized and modern.

[white copper]

She can make a ball that contains thunder with her bare claws

But the citadel army ISNT organized or modern

[fast lagoon]

and also how does the plasmium syringe use shell shards when you’re just jamming more plasmium from your infinite supply into it

[white copper]

Its a hodgepodge of whatever pilgrims got to the citadel without getting murdered

[glacial shoal]

i think the bolas can just be arranged like that. it's interchangable. the memorian enemies have the bola form too.

[white copper]

Gotta make new syringes

[glacial shoal]

but for crafting them...

[white copper]

Cant use the old ones

[glacial shoal]

boy i don't fuckin know

does she just summon lightning

[fast lagoon]

oh yeah it is different syringes ig

[white copper]

Same with flea brew

If you throw the empty bottle you use shards at bench

Make new bottle

[fast lagoon]

flea brew is easier to remember because of the empty bottle throwing

i forgot plasmium phial was using up syringes too

[white copper]

Yeah plasmium is just new syringes

The ones that make the least sense are the volt vessels and pimpillos

[fast lagoon]

yeah

[white copper]

Like, where the fuck are you getting explosives and LIGHTING

[fast lagoon]

also wait

[white copper]

I can see you making cogflies

[fast lagoon]

magical railgun ammo

[white copper]

Thats just a bunch of gears

So the silkshot uses shards to make "bullets"

[fast lagoon]

it looks like a literal beam of light that shi cannot be made from shell shards lol

[white copper]

And enhances those with silk

Thats why the silkshot costs silk to fire

[fast lagoon]

oh it does

yeah that makes sense

[white copper]

Its a regular ass gun that got magiced

[fast lagoon]

i don’t think i’ve ever used it since i didnt get the railgun one

[white copper]

The snare setter does the same thing

It uses physical snares, enhanced with silk

[fast lagoon]

i also never used the snare setter cuz the game took it from me instantly 😭

[white copper]

I think all the silkshots cost 1 silk to fire

Idk i only get the railgun

[white copper]

Lol i got it before act 2 on this file

[fast lagoon]

i think i got the railgun on steel soul

[white copper]

Its pretty strong

[fast lagoon]

i know i’ve seen it abused lol

[white copper]

It does some massive blast damage in a fairly large area

But i lose it upon entry to act 3 T-T

[fast lagoon]

also any% TE uses snare setter as a dive which is awesome

[white copper]

We really shouldn't lose it and just need to have it

[fast lagoon]

kingsoul all over again ,,

[white copper]

Difference is kingsoul sucked ass

And could be replicated by grubsong+weaversong

[fast lagoon]

i think kingsoul would be best for exploring

[white copper]

Eh

[fast lagoon]

and at that point just use hiveblood

[white copper]

2 soul per second is just bad

[fast lagoon]

that’s why it’s useless in bosses lol

[white copper]

Grubsong weaversong made the weaverlings give you 3 soul whenever they hit something

No taking hits required

[fast lagoon]

oh

[white copper]

Yeah its a charm interaction

[fast lagoon]

how didn’t i know of that

[white copper]

It buffs weaversong and grubsong is just kinda there

[fast lagoon]

i’ve seen many charm combo vids

[white copper]

Your not trying to get hit your just letting the weavers passively gen soul

[fast lagoon]

yeah

[white copper]

Its not amazing but on some fights they hit ALOT

Like NKG they hit him pretty much every time he dashes over them

[fast lagoon]

it actually doesn’t really make sense that snare setter is used up ur right

unless he made such a big snare that it broke the entire tool

[vast thunder]

did trobbio ever have a big audience and they were just killed off by the pyrotechnics/haunting or was he just blowing shit up to like 3 poeple

[cunning cradle]

lwk very interesting

i dont think we can even know tho

[vast thunder]

like is he an ex-big shot or a starving artist

[cunning cradle]

seems to be an ex bigshot if he has his own dedicated stage in the citadel.. don’t know how he’s survived for this long tho

he could have repurposed another mans stage

[lucid knot]

It makes sense that the Skarr tribe & the Far Fields would have the most stuff during act 3, but seriously 2 Mask Shards AND a Memory Locket?

[cunning cradle]

are any of those even act 3 only

oh yep

there is one

thats rhe sprint master

[hollow sinew]

Have you ever noticed that the void in pharloom have.. eyes, or smth,(on the tentacle things), But in hallownest it doesn't?(The lashing out things) Does that mean the nature of the void in pharloom is a Lil different perhaps? Plus, In the true ending silksong, Lil ghost had to destroy the tentacles from attacking hornet when the everbloom faded, So that means the knight cannot control the void in pharloom? Idk, Give yalls take on ts

[void patrol]

Then what are those?

Looks like eyes to me

[hollow sinew]

Oh is ts in hk?

Hmmm

[void patrol]

Yes

[hollow sinew]

I don't quite remember cuz it's been a while since I played The orginal one

Yeah sorry guys

[void patrol]

The first part we figured out
Second part, in the world of Hk/Sk in the deep down you will always find void, no matter where or when, when you dig deep enough you will find void
Third part, idk why Shade Lord(aka Knight aka Ghost) destroyed the tenticles but.....

[hollow sinew]

Aura farming ig

[void patrol]

My theory (that just thought) is the tenticles are the creatures themselfs that evovled to survive in the void, so knight cant realy control them becouse they are speprete from void

So that would mean that the void itself is an all expanding mass, and the tenticles are just inhabiting, maybe they are the ancient bugs that prasied the void?

[random harbor]

Hunter's Journal: Void Tendrils

Description:
Fragments of void taking the shape of sharp, thrashing tendrils.

Hunter's notes:
The bugs of Hallownest sometimes wondered whether there were other, older, stranger Kingdoms deep below them. What strange fancies they had. That's probably why they were always so distracted and easy to kill.

@lexmolten used /journal name: Void Tendrils

[foggy stratus]

The Void Tendrils are just fragments of Void.

Not a creature.

"Lashing fragments of pure darkness, shaped into sharpened tentacles.
The void that will claim all things... In the barbed forms it chooses its nature can be seen clear." This is the Silksong entry and Hornet says that the Tendrils are just a shape the Void takes.

[void patrol]

My head canon now

[foggy stratus]

We dont know why TK wasnt controlling Pharlool Void, but my personal belief is that it simply didnt onow that it existed and needed to find it to bring it under it's will.

[foggy stratus]

What head canon?

[onyx pawn]

I think what he believes is canon

[foggy stratus]

I didnt ask what it was, i asked what he was referring to.

[onyx pawn]

mb

[void patrol]

Mine

[foggy stratus]

What's your head canon.

[void patrol]

That the tenticles are creatures that evoled into surving in the void

[foggy stratus]

Alright thats fine just know that its both unsupported and just kinda wrong.

[void patrol]

.....
I have proof
I think...
My head, my head canon

[foggy stratus]

Both Void Tendril journal entries say its just fragments of the wider Void or a shape the Void takes.

[paper mantle]

You head is canon? Ok no XD

[void patrol]

My head canon....
Its dead

[paper mantle]

Oh, wdym?

[void patrol]

[void patrol]

Horf made me realise its dumb and unsuportive(BESIDES ONE THING!)....

[paper mantle]

...

[foggy stratus]

This was his head canon, Nostos.

[paper mantle]

The tendrils are fragments of void but more sharp

[void patrol]

But when Hornet goes to the void, and when she saves lace, the tentecles are very destict

Also life is a bitch, maybe something evolve like that

[foggy stratus]

Design choice to make them visible.

[void patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-falling-gif-18145514339307366392

[hollow sinew]

Maybe also that the pure instinct of void to consume any and all things (hornet and lace in ts case) made the void almost lash out at hornet and lace, so TK had to destroy the tentacles, Like if your hand is possessed and tries to kill your sister, So you...have to cut it off or smth

It might also be for aura farming

[glacial shoal]

Chat

[sick tinsel]

chat so i replayed hk and i probably found who the "you again" guy that comes to the blacksmith is

its quirrel

[glacial shoal]

imagine an enemy with 1550s musket. there's a rosary cannon already, with automatic capability like the ones used in the franco prussian, american civil and world war one wars. why can't they make a 1500s level musket. it would be a cool thing to have on arms for the citadel staff. they could be supporters for grand reeds

[glacial shoal]

quirrel my beloved

[sick tinsel]

genuinly how people love trobbio btw

cheap copy of the goat grimm

[arctic girder]

No correlation

[sick tinsel]

both performers with 2 phases

except that trobbio bossfight isnt fun at all

[arctic girder]

Except Grimm has no phases?

[sick tinsel]

i meant 2 bossfights

mb twin

[sick tinsel]

genuinly sherma as the 3rd playable character sounds heavenly

[warm root]

Imagine

[sick tinsel]

yea ikr

[lofty tendon]

Shermaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[whole holly]

design is honestly great

i wish we had more lore about Forgehome, place Forgebugs are from

https://youtu.be/XC8LIv3IuQM?si=CFjgzFmMTpWPr_3I

[carmine trout]

why exactly did the void take over pharloom

[twin dragon]

Rose through grand mother silk's threads and also fed on haunted bugs

[uneven pagoda]

Sry if this is stupid but did hornet just ruin pharloom

[foggy fractal]

what in act 3? not intentionally

[uneven pagoda]

Yeah

[foggy fractal]

the jist is that the snail shamans wanted to put gms into the abyss to kill her
hornet didn't know that but went ahead with it, lace saves hornet from getting put into the abyss (gms grabs hornet), though lace falls in with gms, gms tries to stay alive for as long as possible to save lace, if this goes on all of pharloom will collapse eventually due to the black threads

[uneven pagoda]

Why does gms help save lace by staying alive?

Also rare hornet fumble

[foggy fractal]

they're in the abyss the void is gonna kill them
gms basically creates a protective cacoon to keep the void out but she can't keep up forever

[uneven pagoda]

Ahh i see

So is lace dead now or what cuz i just lost my 18 hr steel soul run just before going to lost lace

[foggy fractal]

well you save her in the end

[foggy fractal]

its not really anyones fault tbh its implied that if lace wasn't involved the plan would've worked (though pharloom probably would've suffered some damage)

Bell Hermit: How else could we hope to trap one of your pale kin? Or see her consumed with such insatiable efficiency?
Hornet: Then you have miscalculated, gravely. The white knight, she fell with the mother...
Chapel Maid: Oh ho... The quakes, yes? We have felt their force, even here. So the mother resists the dark... to save the child?
Hornet: That is my guess. I must descend to the void below, and see clear that truth for myself.
Chapel Maid: Ohhhh. How… unfortunate. All of Pharloom will fall to her flailing.

I think there's another line somewhere that supports this somewhere? something along the lines of GMS can hold out till Pharloom collapses or smth

[uneven pagoda]

Wow thanks a lot thats a really detailed answet

Btw whos the guy in ur pfp? Its cute

[foggy fractal]

thats me

[glacial shoal]

f

r

[glacial shoal]

I guess bro

[sick tinsel]

Zote is overrated and so is lace

[glacial shoal]

I think someone's favorite character is sherma

[sick tinsel]

So Sherman sounds like a W character

[glacial shoal]

Zote is washed

Lace is overglazed

[sick tinsel]

Sherma is perfect

[glacial shoal]

Sherman is Sherma's EVIL brother

but yeah you're right

[sick tinsel]

Why autocorrect makes is Sherman 😨

[glacial shoal]

lmao

[remote dew]

let me be a little worm that cant kill anythng and dies to the protagonist (the game is 3 minutes long)

[sick tinsel]

Yes

[edgy nebula]

gms nonetheless loves her child i think

i forgot cause i havent read up on lore

[foggy fractal]

its like a twisted form of love

or something like that

[pseudo narwhal]

Well it's sorta narcissistic love
When the one who is loved not a person with desires and will of their own but rather an object to be owned and controlled and had to fit a perfect image existing in narcissist head or they won't deserve love anymore

[cobalt heath]

why does hornet fall nearly unconcious and then unconcious in ruined chapel?

[foggy fractal]

rune caged weakend her then huge ass drop

[cobalt heath]

fair enough

[graceful grail]

Bruh, how did Sea of Sorrow not drop 😭

[foggy fractal]

well I don't think TC cares about catering to specific events and will just release it when its ready, if things line up cool
plus its a steam only thing

[cunning cradle]

this is why I doubt we'll be getting a trailer at the summers game fest

[graceful grail]

Ik, but i hoped 😅

[foggy fractal]

me neither

[foggy fractal]

I highly doubt its soon
my guess is september
but who knows never say never

[still light]

Lots of lore in hk talks about hallownest being the last and only kingdom so what is pharloom then since i assume hornet didnt change worlds for pharloom?

[graceful grail]

Propaganda by PK

[cunning cradle]

it was his ego showing

[cunning cradle]

a year for each dlc would actually be insane

[foggy fractal]

that's pk's wish for the kingdom not actually the truth
he wanted his kingdom to be eternal and what not

[still light]

Ah ok that makes sense thanks

[foggy fractal]

insane like very long or very short

[cunning cradle]

very long

especially when they're recycling content

thats 1/7th of silksongs dev time bro

[foggy fractal]

hey now they made us wait for 7 years for the game itself

[still light]

Is silksong going to get a godhome?

[cunning cradle]

Yeah and it was clearly rushed

[cunning cradle]

yep

[foggy fractal]

the dlc after this one is most probably gonna be new content too

[cunning cradle]

well sure i don't think they're gonna be like HK with small dlc and "big dlc"

[foggy fractal]

I don't see why they wouldn't

[foggy fractal]

well TC is fine with making us wait and so is most of the community fine with it so just gotta deal with it
I mean I hope it doesn't take too long but who knows

[cunning cradle]

I just wished that they would actually keep us in the loop

it's annoying to wait with little to no info

[foggy fractal]

me too buddy me too

at least its not gonna be like the wait for silksong, we're getting sos this year

2024 was rough

[sinful nimbus]

I hope they tease less content that they're going to scrap anyway

[cunning cradle]

it seems like SOS is just the scrapped content

why would they scrap it again

[sinful nimbus]

lazy

lomm is dead

[cunning cradle]

I would call TC ambitious

i wouldn't say they ever scrap content because they dont feel like working

[sinful nimbus]

ur right its usually due to bad taste

[foggy fractal]

w act 3

[cunning cradle]

this is why we know TC was lying about not being on the internet

if they truly didn't know how bad we were starving they would've just made a real act 3

[sinful nimbus]

"we don't go on the internet" and they made the lifeblood infection fanfic canon

[foggy fractal]

💔

its cooked

modders! save us! make the game good!!!

[cunning cradle]

lifeblood was always intended to be a harmful substance 😭

[sinful nimbus]

surely

[cunning cradle]

they even draw similarities between it and the radiance in HK

[sinful nimbus]

do they

its related to essence

[cunning cradle]

yeah im pretty sure it’s the life blood seeds and the infection seeds

[foggy fractal]

new tc member carter 🥶

[sinful nimbus]

those only really look similar on a surface level and are very different things

[cunning cradle]

im saying the hunter descriptions hold on

no you're actually right

but there are intentional parallels

"lightseed" and "lifeseed"

like are you really gonna say that this isn't intentional

[foggy fractal]

yes

well actually I'm just gonna say TC sucks anyways

we hate tc around here

[cunning cradle]

they use the same models, you'd have to argue at best that it's asset reuse that got turned into foreshadowing

[sinful nimbus]

They have a similar body plan so its not totally crazy but idk what conclusions you were meant to draw from it

Even in the context of Silksong they are different things

[sinful nimbus]

No they don't

[foggy fractal]

let me check brb

[cunning cradle]

The radiance is a powerful god, lifeblood using the same idea means that it's most likely also a powerful god.
Jelubra downplays lifeblood as a "bit of a taboo" so that she can sell the charm to the Knight, which means that it was definitely not seen in a positive light.
Even in the Abyss you have to drug yourself so that the Lifeblood God can semi transform the caverns in the abyss into a dream world.

[foggy fractal]

Hate for their retcons. Hate for their slabfly entries. For their half assed callbacks poured in your face and pointless. Fill your shells with hate, for slop has now been scribed, and with it we shall mald. 🗣️

[cunning cradle]

Like they have VERY similar models

that's even more of a reason actually

they purposefully made them similar instead of asset reuse

[sinful nimbus]

None of that really implied it was dangerous everyone was raving about the stuff and it was always portrayed in a serene manner

[foggy fractal]

yeah its not the same

[cunning cradle]

it being a social taboo doesn't imply that it's dangerous?? 😭

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[cunning cradle]

a littleeee late

[sinful nimbus]

That's not particularly weird for a taboo

[cunning cradle]

the god being extremely powerful drawing parallels to the radiance didn't have any red flags for you?

[foggy fractal]

yeah I saw your message
hey at least I went to the asset folder and checked everything

[sinful nimbus]

The like 2 things potentially implying that Lifeblood was related to an essence being didn't have red flags yeah

It didn't do anything in HK it was just a magic plant

[cunning cradle]

good boy

[cunning cradle]

Doesn't that make it even scarier? All lifeblood ravished areas are found in the most remote parts of the region.

Like this is purposeful

[foggy fractal]

anyways I think its pretty pointless to argue what TC's intention was because we're not TC
heck TC might not even remember this kind of stuff

[sinful nimbus]

what?

[cunning cradle]

same TC that is making a lifeblood dlc

[foggy fractal]

same TC that made slabfly journal entries 💔

[sinful nimbus]

same TC that forgot about little weavers and phantom they don't gaf 🥀

[foggy fractal]

yeah they really don't gaf

[cunning cradle]

Every god in HK that isn't after some goal is severely weakened lol. If the Lifeblood creature is being super passive, and it's STILL that strong, then that makes it scarier.

[cunning cradle]

how did they forget phantom

[foggy fractal]

they don't give a gaf 💔 💔

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet forgets about her in a Caretaker dialogue about Lace

[sinful nimbus]

Genuinely what are you even talking about bro 🥀

[cunning cradle]

Unn and the White lady are the only gods who aren't vying for dominance, and both of them are near the end of their life cycle. A god that is able to transform the real world into a dream world who is also not vying for dominance (implying that it's weakened) makes it way scarier.

It's not even that convoluted

[sinful nimbus]

Am I high dude what are you saying

"transform the real world into a dream world"

???

how does this even imply the substance was malicious

[cunning cradle]

I mean this just seems like their confident in their story tbh

[sinful nimbus]

biggest leap oatt

[foggy fractal]

and where did that end up

[cunning cradle]

I just explained it but whatever

[sinful nimbus]

uh huh

[cunning cradle]

if we've established that passive gods are weak gods, and every strong god is searching for dominance in some way, then having a passive lifeblood god makes it even scarier, because it is still so strong.

and if it ISNT passive, then it has ulterior motives that don't know about

[sinful nimbus]

i don't even agree with the premise much less the conclusion that strong things are evil

genuinely just nonsense

[foggy fractal]

I mean the knight is chilling

[cunning cradle]

All gods we've seen want people to worship them? is that not a consistent part of HK's lore?

[sinful nimbus]

It is in fact not

[cunning cradle]

dude? who?

[foggy fractal]

and they're the strongest 🥶 tuff

[sinful nimbus]

White Lady and the Lord of Shades come to mind

[cunning cradle]

the white lady wanted to procreate, as a tree is that not a form of dominance?

[sinful nimbus]

That's called having kids bro

[cunning cradle]

trees spread their kin by sewing seeds... not that crazy of a concept

[sinful nimbus]

Crazy mental gymnastics

she doesn't even uh have kids that worship her

[foggy fractal]

maybe they're offscreen

🤔

[cunning cradle]

I still feel that urge you see. I always will. A voracious desire to spread seeds upon the land, to propogate sic myself, to breed.

propogate means to multiply or breed, but they say breed after.

[verbal herald]

or just, you know, dead in the abyss

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah that's called having kids

[cunning cradle]

Seems like propogate is used in the context of multiplication here

[cunning cradle]

why say propogate before breeding then? it's redundant?

[sinful nimbus]

that's just a normal way to repeat yourself for emphasis

[verbal herald]

i think its just being poetic

[foggy fractal]

I didn't know the vessels worshipped her

🤔

[cunning cradle]

If you literally have to bind yourself to stop yourself from reproducing, I think that it's clear that her purpose is to breed.

[sinful nimbus]

This is specifically about having kids read the full dialogue

[random harbor]

White Lady - General - Listening after returning

Do I seem prisoner here? If so, it's not by any choice but my own. These bindings about me, I've chosen to erect.
There is some shame I feel from my own part in the deed and this method guarantees it cease.
I still feel that urge you see. I always will. A voracious desire to spread seeds upon the land, to propogate myself, to breed.

@starpengu used /npcs misc name: White Lady category: General dialogue: Listening after returning

[verbal herald]

i meant that thats where her kids are

[cunning cradle]

the full dialogue supports my point even more

[cunning cradle]

the vessels are also not normal kids

[cunning cradle]

to spread MY seeds upon the land, to propogate myself, to breed

[sinful nimbus]

There's nothing in the dialogue saying she wants her offspring to worship her

[verbal herald]

well, they were before their eggs were tossed in the void

[sinful nimbus]

HK fans can't read final boss

[sinful nimbus]

they are her seeds

she's a tree

[cunning cradle]

i never said this was the case either

[sinful nimbus]

she makes seeds and they become her children

dang you can't even read your own messages

[verbal herald]

i think thats also just her being poetic

[sinful nimbus]

well she's a tree

[cunning cradle]

I said that her breeding is a form of dominance lol

there are plenty of invasive trees that tear lands apart via their seeds

it's not that crazy of a concept

[sinful nimbus]

that's not about worship so its an irrelevant tangent

glad we got that cleared up

[foggy fractal]

what about the knight brotato chip 💔

[cunning cradle]

No but it's the same idea, no? And she's also been severely weakened.

[sinful nimbus]

Its not the same idea

[cunning cradle]

If gods survive based off belief, she clearly isn't having anyone worship her.

[sinful nimbus]

She's severely weakened by her own will

Gods surviving based off of belief is nonsense what

[cunning cradle]

there are too many variables with this imo even the void in general is seen as an unknowable outlier.

[verbal herald]

the vessels tecnically dont "want" anything. thats why th hollow knight failed, he wanted to please his father.

[cunning cradle]

Literally every major god wants worship, this can't be pure ego lol.

[sinful nimbus]

White Lady doesn't

[cunning cradle]

the white lady has to bind herself so that she couldn't reproduce, it's the same idea as hornet having dominance baked into her blood

[sinful nimbus]

Neither does Lord of Shades or the Nightmare Heart

[cunning cradle]

nightmare heart has entire cult wtf?

[sinful nimbus]

Unn was worshipped but its kinda strange to suggest that's her main goal

[verbal herald]

mabye its like how we need shelter in the pyramid of needs

[sinful nimbus]

The "cult" is just an extension of its will White Lady says they're all the same entity

[cunning cradle]

she literally dreamed up a civilization, then while it's taken over she starts to die too.

[sinful nimbus]

no?

[cunning cradle]

Yeah, in a sense, but they clearly aren't? they all act differently, even grim who is the main vessel for the heart.

[sinful nimbus]

she did dream up a civilization but she's implied to have been weakened through the act of creating greenpath not because she lost her followers

[sinful nimbus]

Grimm is NMH's vessel

When you enter his mind its just the nightmare heart and its henchman

[foggy fractal]

something something heart of grimm

[cunning cradle]

the moss prophet suggests that the radiance has a part to play in this lol. It's described as her strength fading over time, not all at once.

[cunning cradle]

basically what I said lol

[sinful nimbus]

show me his dialogue which suggests that

her strength fading and that being a result of greenpath's creation weakening her aren't mutually exclusive

[cunning cradle]

when has it ever been the case for a god to exert their power massively and then have that be the cause of decay over hundreds of years?

[cunning cradle]

also the idea of worship is an extension of dominance

[sinful nimbus]

that doesn't mean anything though its just yap

like actually

[foggy fractal]

so we just can't have kids now? 😭

[sinful nimbus]

why would there need to be more than one example of that

there are like 5 gods in HK they're not gonna reuse ideas

[cunning cradle]

the other nature related things like unn create an entire world for themselves when they “have children”, how is that not dominance?

[foggy fractal]

not reusing ideas? TC?

[cunning cradle]

silksong bro

gms literally does the exact same thing as the radiance 😭

[sinful nimbus]

silksong is poorly written but I'm talking HK

[cunning cradle]

“they wouldn’t reuse ideas in this game but for the other one that they had more dev time on they will”

[sinful nimbus]

i mean they evidently didn't reuse many ideas for the higher beings in HK so yeah?

disagreeing just to disagree bro

we know what happened to unn we don't need unn 2 to know what happened to her

[cunning cradle]

you just moved the goal post? they didn’t reuse “many” ideas, even though there are only like 2 real outliers

[sinful nimbus]

what

[foggy fractal]

well we don't know if that's something WL would've done so 🤷‍♂️

[sinful nimbus]

we actually just saying stuff atp

[blissful harbor]

late, but it’s the heart basically role playing with itself

[cunning cradle]

It’s far more likely that her strength faded with the passing of the radiance when it seems like she was at her peak before

[cunning cradle]

they don’t reuse “many” ideas but there are only 2 gods that are that dissimilar from the others?

[cunning cradle]

When has having kids ever not been a show of dominance? That’s the goal of like almost every creature in the world, and historically bigger families have always been stronger. Numbers are power wtf? Even if SHE doesn’t want it, her body is still compelling her, just like Hornet.

she wants her lineage to spread, that is LITERALLY dominance. It’s a biological compulsion, not a mental one born from the want of connection

[foggy fractal]

2 gods that don't want worship means that the all gods want worship thing is wrong

[cunning cradle]

the whole reason i brought up worship was to prove the idea of all gods wanting to dominate, and I think i’ve made a good enough argument for the White Lady wanting to do that in her own way.

Besides, lifeblood is dominating regardless of the other gods? It literally spreads its seed anywhere

and using lifeblood connects you directly to their god

[verbal herald]

yes, i think that WL was being worshipped by being queen

[sinful nimbus]

we're told that greenpath holds a piece of Unn's mind and symptoms of her decline IE her territory gradually shrinking predate the infection (Queen's Gardens and Fog Canyon in particular)

the implication is that she just exhausted herself through creating greenpath

[foggy fractal]

well theres always the knight unless you want to argue they aren't a hb/god

[sinful nimbus]

I said there would be no reason to reuse ideas when there are so few higher beings and that we can infer what happened to Unn without another example, what are you even arguing against because its certainly not one of my messages

[blissful harbor]

TK and the troupe, they aren’t really worshipping the heart

[cunning cradle]

then she wanted her own land so badly that she would exhaust herself to the point where she can’t recover?

[blissful harbor]

nymm and divine are like actively doing their own thing

[verbal herald]

well they are, but they dont really "want" anything

[cunning cradle]

the void naturally wants to dominate everything tho

[blissful harbor]

and can you really worship yourself with grimmkin and shit

[foggy fractal]

does the knight want to do that

[sinful nimbus]

She can recover the goal was to eventually call back her creations into her dream

The Green Children walked from the dream unto these lands.
Here we now shall wait, patient, for the call to return.

[cunning cradle]

Not sure, but he’s such an unknown.

[foggy fractal]

from all we've seen the knight is lowk chill

invited to the cook out

[cunning cradle]

So she spits them out then reclaims them for no reason?

[blissful harbor]

the answer is no, if TK wanted to carry out the will of void itself nothing would stop it from just destroying everything
consuming all soul in sight like void would do

[cunning cradle]

yeah but a void like pale being is two opposites combined

[sinful nimbus]

we don't know the reason and it doesn't really matter

[cunning cradle]

isn’t that implied to be exactly what happened to hallownest lol

[blissful harbor]

no???

where did you get that idea

[foggy fractal]

well you say that void wants to dominate and sk shows that pale things also want to dominate wouldn't that be double the dominate

[sinful nimbus]

she's not reliant on worship to survive that's just baseless and in fact none of the higher beings are

[foggy fractal]

not at all

[blissful harbor]

none require worship

[sinful nimbus]

PK and Rad and GMS desired it (for different reasons) that's about it

[blissful harbor]

Rad needs a place to exist in a mind, but that’s not necessarily worship

[verbal herald]

i think that the hk and vessels are formed from void, like a golem formed from clay. still made of it, but not the whole thing

[foggy fractal]

if you're thinking about etv void leaking out the godmaster thing dnm shows void leaking out the black egg temple too
and in dnm the knight just seeps down with the void leaving hornet in tact
there's nothing suggesting etv would be different they're already the strongest either way

plus it'd be pretty terrible narrtively for the knight becoming super duper evil for no reason

[blissful harbor]

TK consuming everything in hallownest while hornet just watches

[foggy fractal]

and if so its never addressed in sk

[blissful harbor]

“why’d you spare me”
“idk couldn’t stop the urge to destroy everything else, but you sis, ur all right”

[foggy fractal]

w knight

[verbal herald]

perhaps the void god still had the drive of ghost to destroy the radience

[blissful harbor]

the void god is ghost

[verbal herald]

when they combined

[foggy fractal]

the knight is the shade lord

[blissful harbor]

there is no combining
theyre the same

[foggy fractal]

yes

[verbal herald]

i think its ghost, but combined with all the void and vessels, but ghost is its "head"

[blissful harbor]

i mean yea TK assumes control over all void, in doing so it becomes the void (well thst was the implication before SS at least)

[foggy fractal]

dw the knight was just aura farming they can still control the void

[blissful harbor]

[verbal herald]

mabye ss follow a different ending than embrace the void

[blissful harbor]

dnm and embrace the void are the only endings it can

[cunning cradle]

then this literally supports my point of most higher beings wanting to have power/be in control

[verbal herald]

i think it was dnm

[foggy fractal]

well I mean there's always the rad fights and the void being there
can't really do that if you yourself aren't the void, or partially ig

[cunning cradle]

they purposefully leave it open in case they want to use THK for a future game or dlc

[blissful harbor]

yea they command it still regardless, they lift hornet back up with some tendrils in the ending
SS just throws a wrench into how much of it they can control, and what exactly their relationship with jt is

cause why are you hitting yourself TK

[foggy fractal]

aura!!!

[blissful harbor]

why not use VHs pacification aura

is it stupid

[foggy fractal]

yes

[spark valve]

It just enjoys fighting

[foggy fractal]

why didn't it do anything in act3 besides the very end?

[blissful harbor]

[foggy fractal]

w godmaster mode

[spark valve]

That’s literally what Godseeker mode is

[blissful harbor]

ik that’s why it’s so funny

genuinely a valid answer

[foggy fractal]

that's tuff though

🥶

[verbal herald]

proboably because Hornet wasnt in the void sea, where all the vessels went to after dnm

but idk why hk didnt help in the lost lace fight

[foggy fractal]

out of universe answer is that there wouldn't be a game to play 😭

[blissful harbor]

hornet dives in the sea multiple times
but yea i think hornet being fully submerged without the everbloom is what allowed TK to finally notice her

[foggy fractal]

the knight just does everything

[blissful harbor]

and be like oh shit, my sister fell in gotta go help

[sinful nimbus]

this is a somewhat common trait among them sure but the claim was that white lady had that desire and that they were reliant on worship to survive neither of which are true

[graceful grail]

If the Lifeblood Beast is Revealed to be a Container used to stop the spread in Hallownest, I called it!!

Otherwise why isnt it completely taking over Hallownest unless it had something stopping it.

Like in Pharloom

[verbal herald]

well, it is all over hollownest

[cunning cradle]

Genuinely when has someone ever wanted to spread their seed in a submissive way?? to the point where they need to bondage themselves?

[graceful grail]

Not the same as wormways. Its not effecting the bugs

[blissful harbor]

i mean
joni is pretty much plasmified

[verbal herald]

maybe all the bugs knew to clear it.

[cunning cradle]

that’s the point i was making!! I said that it was scarier that he wasn’t doing anything if he is a god

[sinful nimbus]

having kids isn't an expression of dominance idk what to say

that's just a bizarre belief

[cunning cradle]

throughout any mammal species it pretty much always is? the bull in a group of cows gets to spread his seed with all of them, that’s his reward for being the strongest guy there lol.

[sinful nimbus]

bro u weird

[foggy fractal]

yeah when my mama and Father. had me they had me they didn't want me to worship them or like conquer the lands or smth they just wanted to take care of a kid because that'd be fulfilling

[cunning cradle]

it’s also just a cultural thing that has only dissipated in the modern world?

[cunning cradle]

well tree gods dont exactly exist either?? 😭

[sinful nimbus]

me personally I'd raise my child to be strong in care, in mind, in claw

[spark valve]

And how would you do this

Surely with nurture and care to healthily model that

[verbal herald]

by being a good parent

[sinful nimbus]

surely

[foggy fractal]

you said that "When has having kids ever not been a show of dominance?" no? well I was born in the 2000s so let's start there and work back ig

[spark valve]

That’s an interesting idea, but WL seems to think neglect and abuse work better

[sinful nimbus]

meet potential parents!
"THK was a tool they'll go so hard as parents when they actually raise a kid"

[spark valve]

I mean pk would

[fading shard]

pk had plausible potential

imo

[cunning cradle]

I said the idea of “needing to spread your seed” is not a very submissive one. Rituals of sacrifice aren’t prominent in modern societies either, but the snail shamans still perform them? Like what is this take that it has to be socially acceptable in modern society for it to be true in the lore of a game?

[spark valve]

Silksong fans can’t read

[cunning cradle]

we’re talking about hollow knight

[verbal herald]

well, the makers of the game were in our world

[cunning cradle]

yeah.. and the recipe for soul used by the snail shamans requires them hanging pilgrims?

that’s not normal in australia bro 😭

[sinful nimbus]

when a fantasy character says they want to have kids the first thought is typically that they want to have kids and not that its an expression of dominance cuz that's yap

[verbal herald]

im just saying they were inspired by how animals and old cultures worked

[cunning cradle]

thinking about text any deeper than what’s said is yap

[cunning cradle]

old cultures USED to work like this.

gengis khan raped like hundreds of prople

[sinful nimbus]

I mean its just reading comprehension

[cunning cradle]

it was a display of power, he wanted to “spread his seed”

[verbal herald]

"old" implies "not right now"

[sinful nimbus]

She says she wants to have kids she words that as spreading seeds cuz she's a tree

Its not a deep dialogue its very straight forward

[cunning cradle]

yeah? how does that disprove what i said

[verbal herald]

im agreeing with what you said

[foggy fractal]

well who knows what TC has had in mind maybe they were thinking of the now 🥹

[cunning cradle]

when it’s arguable that most gods want to have power and dominance, it’s not crazy to read that in that tone

[cunning cradle]

sorry im in the car 😭

[foggy fractal]

stop texting and driving ya chud!!!!!!!!!

grrrrrrrr

[sinful nimbus]

That's not arguable

[cunning cradle]

but like they clearly weren’t caring about social taboo

[sinful nimbus]

3 of them do

no one read that dialogue in that manner idk what to say its just not how reading works

[foggy fractal]

lets do a consensus guys wheres the uhh what was it whats it called

voting thing

no

uhhhhhhhh

[verbal herald]

poll?

[foggy fractal]

yeah a poll

?poll

1984

[verbal herald]

i think its /poll

[cunning cradle]

your whole argument for it not being a way to interpret the text is “social norms”

[cunning cradle]

nightmare heart too

[gentle aspen]

dude what the hell

[cunning cradle]

and void

[cunning cradle]

what? how is it crazy whatsoever? we have an abortion allegory in the game how is it crazy for spreading your seed to be a form of control and dominance?

[gentle aspen]

I will have to remind this channel to stay sfw and to not like

[sinful nimbus]

Not really

well I did say u were weird cuz duh

[cunning cradle]

it’s not like I’m describing the process?

[sinful nimbus]

but I also pointed out how that's just not what she said

[cunning cradle]

could we not talk about the abortion allegory in SS because it’s related to sex?

[gentle aspen]

If this is what I think it is
assuming WL is trying to dominate through the spreading of her seed is kinda strange when she simply has a portion of the world dedicated to her and we don’t particularly see efforts to go wild elsewhere? It’s kinda controlled

[gentle aspen]

No, but you literally brought up genghis khan being a rapist as proof which is like

[cunning cradle]

In no way does it paint her want for children in a positive light, the only time that she did have children, it ended up terribly. Nothing supports the argument that her having children is “good”.

[gentle aspen]

clearly not okay

[cunning cradle]

yeah proof of it being a previous social norm?

[sinful nimbus]

It doesn't say anything about it being good or bad it just says she wants to have kids

That's the end of it

[cunning cradle]

if i brought up aztec sacrificial rituals as a way to say that the devs could have been inspired by that when making the snail shamans, it wouldn’t be bad right?

[cunning cradle]

in a godly context… you’re literally just refusing to think that more than 5 seconds of thought was put into it

[sinful nimbus]

it sure is said by a god

that doesn't change how words work though

[gentle aspen]

that’d be kinda strange to assert and personally a little problematic but as long as you didn’t elaborate it’d be fine to be brought up

but like, rape is very clearly different and it’s clearly being used to illustrate differing social norms + bringing a decent amount of not really implied inappropriate connotations and the like

[cunning cradle]

it changes the entire context?

[sinful nimbus]

no it doesn't because gods inherently wanting dominance is something you made up

[gentle aspen]

because the whole “pale beings feel this innate urge to dominate and crush underneath their heel” isn’t really something supported by the first game or even gods in general wishing to dominate

[sinful nimbus]

if you assume gods have an innate desire for dominance suddenly you can analyze their dialogue through that lense but that's begging the question

[gentle aspen]

the gods in HKverse are different from normal bugs yes
but as far as we know there is pushback from regular bugs and even other gods

[sinful nimbus]

(not that it would be coherent in this example but wtv)

[gentle aspen]

stay cordial, please

don’t start throwing out stuff like that

[crystal marsh]

because Hornet's both factually and circumstantially wrong

[foggy fractal]

hey at least the knight is still THE GOAT 🥹 so chill

[crystal marsh]

"devotion or destruction" is a false dichotomy

[cunning cradle]

when 2/3 of pale beings are shown to be control freaks i think it’s a fair thing to assume at least when it comes to pale beings.

[spark valve]

She’s just not saying what people claim she’s saying

[sinful nimbus]

no one is talking about Hornet's dialogue

[crystal marsh]

oh nvm then

[foggy fractal]

yeah star wouldn't be a strawman she'd be a strawoman

[cunning cradle]

what question is it begging

why are you so rude wtf? she’s clearly setting up to say something else

you wouldn’t word it like that if not

[gentle aspen]

don’t be rude

[edgy nebula]

strawwoman*

also whats the discussion about

[foggy fractal]

🙂‍↕️ sorry

[sinful nimbus]

ik your muted but begging the question is when your argument assumes the conclusion is true to prove itself

in this case its the assumption that gods have an innate desire for dominance

[edgy nebula]

like gru mocking scarlet overkill after hitting her with the freeze way

[sinful nimbus]

I didn't mean to mock I just wanted to answer the question

[edgy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-horror-horror-scared-tweaking-gif-5813723401748476987

[gentle aspen]

if this is a rickroll I’m going to mute you

yep

[edgy nebula]

uh oh

[ebon ginkgo]

what?

[verbal herald]

thanks for taking ht ebullet for us

[gentle aspen]

The channel’s already lax as it is I’m not gonna entertain a fairly obvious rickroll meme

[edgy nebula]

he was too early to shield my soul from the link 😔

unironically someone posted a cool theory awhile back i should repost it

[ebon ginkgo]

wdym?

[gentle aspen]

read channel pins dude

and your warn

[edgy nebula]

ere we go

it's a bit of a crackpot theory but it's cool

[sinful nimbus]

Notice how AI trobbio got through the joker filter

[gentle aspen]

I’m doing the goddamn dishes

I have a fucking life mate

[foggy fractal]

23 minutes?! hell naw man

I can barely read the lore in game

💔

[spark valve]

you have a life mate? congratulations on your marriage

[edgy nebula]

silksong fans cant read or watch apparently

[sinful nimbus]

why are you texting while doing the dishes

getting water all over the phone

[edgy nebula]

yeah what if you drop your phone

[foggy fractal]

hey now my mandarin isn't the best I'll have to read the subtitles

READ

😱

[spark valve]

what's the short version, is this the conductors are from the sea thing

[edgy nebula]

yeah

[gentle aspen]

I JUST STARTED THE GLOVES ARE DRY

I hate it here

bye

[foggy fractal]

no don't go

[edgy nebula]

i like the theory though it's fun

it deepens throughout the video going from

conductors used to be from nameless town

nameless town used to be underwater and related to sos

conductors used silk experiments to transfer their consciousness to new bodies

the patterns on ballador's wall symbolize the lifeblood god

[sinful nimbus]

bro are you supposed to use gloves

am I like a gross slob

[edgy nebula]

are you using thick rubber gloves like a housewife????

[foggy fractal]

whilst washing dishes? I don't

[foggy fractal]

but yes anyway

haha!

:D

[sinful nimbus]

I thought I was doing it wrong for a bit 😭

[foggy fractal]

evil andy arc

[edgy nebula]

it's a bad shortening but the video does the theory justice

[sinful nimbus]

I've somehow seen the second to last point more than once

is the implication that all of pharloom was underwater

HK kinda had a similar theory

[spark valve]

tc likes their spirals

[sinful nimbus]

what is ballador's wall even

[edgy nebula]

offscreen to the right of this image

[foggy fractal]

yeah idk what that one is about

maybe I should

watch...

the... video..?

😨 no...

[sinful nimbus]

🧐

[edgy nebula]

kinda looks like a seed or some type of sea creature vaguely

[edgy nebula]

yeah

pretty sure the guy lined it up with the lifeblood tower we see or something idk i forgot

[foggy fractal]

is there gonna be stuff lost in translation or are the subtitles good

[edgy nebula]

theyre pretty solid but some sentences are a bit eh

[spark valve]

they came back with a english video at some point

[foggy fractal]

yeah but I think that one just uses the same script as the subtitles so

[spark valve]

wouldn't know I've never watched a ss lore video and am not gonna start now

[sinful nimbus]

why would you watch mossbag when the wiki exists