sk-lore

[sick tinsel]

whos we ?

[void patrol]

Yes

[fading shard]

how o-o

[void patrol]

By skipping most of The game
Did you know that the cloak from Pintreest does not give %

[twilit furnace]

Me, myself and i?

[sick tinsel]

[whole holly]

oh, yea

[whole holly]

what is Gorb? are they related to Godseeker's, it doesn't seem like because they don't have limbs

[fading shard]

they are just a thing

I don't think they're meant to be anything honestly

maybe they come from outer space nika

[whole holly]

okay, Abhiker

[fading shard]

look at their damn head

that speaks alien

[whole holly]

what could this be?

[fading shard]

this guy is an alien

[whole holly]

segmented head..?

[fading shard]

they are even called by the meta narrative that they are quote on quote "A mysterious life-form "

" that claimed to contain all of the world's knowledge inside of its distended brain."

they are even said to be from the beyond nika

by the hall of gods

[fading shard]

clearly it's an alien nika

case and point

[whole holly]

okay abhiker, are you saying they are illegal alien?

[fading shard]

yes

of course

what else could they be nika XD

clearly they are an illegal alien that escaped white palace area 51

[whole holly]

did some interesting game release??

[fading shard]

I mean you could try out slay the princess

pretty amazingly well received game

there's also uhh cult of the lamb

[whole holly]

i think they are hinting at sea of sorrows releasing

[fading shard]

nah impossible

silksong sea of sorrow releases in 2030

how could you forget nika

😔

[whole holly]

leth responded!

[fading shard]

le gasp

[whole holly]

maybe it is true

[whole holly]

hey, do you actually use Opera GX as your main browser? if so that's not good for you considering their practices

[fading shard]

what

[whole holly]

you sent screenshot and it showed Opera GX as your main browsers

[fading shard]

I mean yes

but nowhere have I ever seen it be an issue

and it still get's promoted and reccomended by people

[whole holly]

You're using a browser that makes its money by harassing people in developing countries with 800% interest loans. You can get the same features with Vivaldi (made by the original Opera founders) or Firefox with a few mods, without supporting a company with a history of predatory behavior.

[whole holly]

because they are sponsored or unaware, Opera also spies on you for Data collection which they sell later

i am sorry to have to tell you this @fading shard

[fading shard]

it's alright I suppose

[whole holly]

i recommend either Firefox or Vivaldi, both are good choices!

what do you Sea of Sorrows will introduce most likely? i think yet another slug species!

[halcyon merlin]

kraken boss fight

[robust wagon]

A sea

[whole holly]

Really? What kind?

[robust wagon]

OF SORROW

[whole holly]

Omg

[craggy smelt]

salt-stricken sorrows

[clear grove]

:0

[foggy stratus]

Our salt is a stricken of sorrows

[craggy smelt]

sounds like some shit from Blasphemous

[frosty gate]

Salt stricken waters of deepest regrets

[dapper willow]

Maybe swimming

Could expand on the already existing areas altho that sounds very ambitious

Like diving

[frosty gate]

I dont think itd be thatd hard, but i doubt we're gonna dive much

TC already had diving planned for HK years ago

[craggy smelt]

that's right

man, imagine if they add it and every part with water can potentially have diving to explore further

that would be insane

think of Bilewater diving - yuech

[frosty gate]

Id catch Hornet dead before diving on maggots

I actually doubt we would get to dive anywhere outside of certain areas

Most water areas are dangerous

Pale lake could be an exception

[dapper willow]

Thats wat I mean

you see my vision

So much more little corners to explore

[fading shard]

more retcons

a bunch of terrible retcons and flaws to the lore

whilst also a bunch of positives to the lore

and also probably some awesome osts

and designs

alongside at least one really well liked boss fight

[foggy stratus]

Hoping Sea of Sorrow will have a Grimm Troupe style questline complete with banger sound track and amazing bosses.

[whole holly]

will it top First Sinner? or Karmelita?

[whole holly]

me too

[paper mantle]

How did the Pale King end up appearing in SoS...

[fading shard]

I would say it'd be as good as first sinner

[fading shard]

yk almost all of the hollow knight dlcs

did nothing but add awesome stuff to the game

like grimm troupe is such a good dlc

introducing a new higher being

having GRIMM

some awesome boss fights

[paper mantle]

I need the Steel Masters

Do you think the Steel Masters are Higher Beings?

[fading shard]

and then we have the dream update

which introduced the dream gate

hive white defender

and some other awesome changes and lore

(Seriously somethings one could forget that white defender was a update thing)

[foggy stratus]

I think they're just powerful mortals.

Old Hearts in a way ig.

[fading shard]

so mortals that are top 3 strongest characters in the universe?

or well 50% chance that they are top 2 strongest characters in the universe

^u^

[foggy stratus]

Still dont know where the idea that they're the top few strongest characters in the verse came from tbh.

[fading shard]

I can explain it in dms if you want

don't wanna clog this channe labout it agian

[foggy stratus]

Sure go ahead.

[paper mantle]

How many Masters do you think there will be? Three? Two?

[foggy stratus]

A handful.

Less than 16.

[paper mantle]

._.

[foggy stratus]

I dunno they give off a council type vibe.

12 maybe.

[twin dragon]

Good retcons can exist

I'd say herrah being a weaver for example is a good retcon because it allows hornet to yk, feel something for her own kin

[fading shard]

Okay herrah being a weaver is an exception

besides it barely feels like a retcon

[twin dragon]

snail shamans w void

first light slop

[fading shard]

that one isn't that good

[twin dragon]

It makes sense

[fading shard]

feels out of character

[twin dragon]

I mean yeah

but i've always felt that shamans were meant to be somehow connected with the void

[fading shard]

I'm not saying I dislike the idea

[twin dragon]

but it was a last minute decision to not connect them

[fading shard]

in fact I like the snail shaman reveal in act

3

[twin dragon]

that's just me

[fading shard]

I just didn't like the dialogue they had with hornet

[twin dragon]

yeah they expected hornet to know

like fym

your ass was never aware of the void

[fading shard]

it would have been better if they said smth like: you should know our kind has fascinations in many things

[fading shard]

it's not good

but it makes more sense

Like yeah it's not a retcon for SOME snail shamans (the one in pharloom) to have an interest in void

it's a wide species

like I had no issue with that

[twin dragon]

Ye but that dialogue retcons it

[fading shard]

my issue is that they somehow are acting like all snail shamans are like this

[fading shard]

yeah and that's exactly my issue

[twin dragon]

Also red memory dialogue being finnicky

like the white lady one

[fading shard]

yeah know I genuinely cringed at the white lady dialogue

I did love the vespa and herrah cutscenes

really sweet to see baby hornet

but white lady wtf do you mean

[fading shard]

I genuinely believe that she might have memory issues

I think her age finally caught up to her

[twin dragon]

No like the dialogue itself is alright

but she breaks the verse

[fading shard]

I am referring to the "only defence against the dark"

it doesn't make sense

[twin dragon]

Yeah

I mean

maybe she's referring to like

something physical

that repels the void

not that it scares it

but again

we dont see any of those

anywhere

[fading shard]

doesn't her husband literaly have some crazy light caapabilities

[twin dragon]

yeah but it might be smt different idk

[fading shard]

he literally get's compared to the everbloom by emilitia

Like idc what her statement is about it

[twin dragon]

fym

[fading shard]

but her seeing the everbloom and thinking about her king

[twin dragon]

emilita knows?

[fading shard]

emilitia sees the flower and talks about it's pure aura

and then is biased

[twin dragon]

Ye she's comparing and stuff

but there are no flowers

whatsoever

in the palace

[fading shard]

I'm just saying that if the pale kings pale light can be noticable to the fragile flowers

then I feel as though your husband should also have the capability of repelling void White land stealing lady

[twin dragon]

Yeah but maybe she's talking in the physical sense

Like physically repelling stuff

[sweet mason]

It
Is
DONE.

[dapper willow]

14 pages of raw lore

its so pure as to erode the skin upon touch

[cedar owl]

13
he used 1 page for the title

no wait, 11
he used 2 pages for citing sources

[sick tinsel]

trobbio troupe

[dapper willow]

hey
If it counts in my school essays it counts in lore documents as well

[knotty prism]

holy shit what is this

no images....i aint reading allat

[sweet mason]

It's a paper on Christopher Larkin's use of the Dies Irae motif in Silksong
I wrote this as my thesis proposal, but I'll most likely change my thesis project itself

[sweet mason]

Do the music transcriptions count?

[hard widget]

Oh HELL yeah

[sweet mason]

Can’t wait for you to read it :)

[frank dove]

We're recruiting this time

[twilit storm]

yo can i join?

[frank dove]

Yes just ping @grimm (make sure you get the right one)

You have to be really specific on pinging the right grimm

[twilit storm]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

😔

theres so many grimms

[spice wolf]

Y’all should write a book or something about sk lore discussing every small detail

[craggy smelt]

transcribe the discord

(no, that would be terrible)

[near jasper]

Best seller book about the lace age discourse

Hit me up when you file for bankruptcy

[spice wolf]

Trust it will be awesome

[sweet mason]

🙂‍↔️

[keen zephyr]

Does this count as lore?

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hornet-hornet-sway-sway-ktholestudios-gif-14458612847850125736

[inner nacelle]

so if the knight isnt hollow and has a will, what exaclty makes a will?

a bugs soul? their mask?

hornet binds the souls of others in order in order to gain their crest (with the exception of witch ofc) but hornet doesnt inherit their will

[sick tinsel]

thier existence

[inner nacelle]

bugs that exist outside of kingdoms without higher being interference exist with no will

see quirrel comic

they probably contain soul and they have a mask

[fading shard]

they have wills?

nowhere is it said they don't have wills what?

they aren't all that intelligient

but they have wills and minds

[inner nacelle]

1000% fair and true

[sick tinsel]

mantises did not need higher being interference

hive bugs

skarrs

[frosty gate]

Bugs never needed Higher Beings

[paper mantle]

So what makes an insect gain intelligence?

[frosty gate]

Evolution, for all we know

The only bugs we have confirmation of being given intelligence by HBs are the Common Bugs of Hallownest, the Mosskin, the Moth Tribe and the Weavers

I may be missing one

[onyx pawn]

-# Mantises?

[plain ruin]

They were likely always intelligent

They’re able to withstand the infection and the rule of Hallownest

I guess there’s the Grimm Troupe but that doesn’t seem to interact with intelligence, just identity

[echo vapor]

but Higher Beings have always needed them in some way..

any reasons for that

the need to be worshipped ?

like to actually feel "Higher"

this topic has always been interesting to me

[frosty gate]

People will tell you otherwise but my theory is that they need to be worshipped or they lose power

[echo vapor]

thats a good one actually

we dont have much information on this so anything could work

Pale King came to Hallownest to establish a kingdom of his rule

thats what Wyrm do

GMS created the Weavers to be her "children" and build Pharloom

so it might make sense that way

[plain ruin]

Pale Beings “need” worship and devotion, it’s what they live for

Regular ol’ Higher Beings don’t seem to need devotion in the same way

They need enough to exist, but they don’t actively seek out more unless something changes

[frosty gate]

Well they didnt build Pharloom for her, thats another thing

[frosty gate]

Radiance???? Lmso

[plain ruin]

Like the Moths almost completely forgetting about the Radiance, which would have killed her

[plain ruin]

The sentence immediately below addressed that

Radiance only needed enough to exist, her infection is out of desperation and divine anger

Had the Moths just stayed true to her, she wouldn’t have tried subjugating others, she would’ve been fine

[frosty gate]

Also you can't say Pale beings because White Lady is a bitch snd refuses to follow any HB rules

[echo vapor]

she would have been forgotten otherwise. So Higher Beings in general need to be remembered and worshipped

[plain ruin]

.

[frosty gate]

Is this addressing me or Egg?

Because WL is Pale, not just Higher

[echo vapor]

Pale King and GMS are also Pale Beings i think

im pretty sure about PK but not GMS

[plain ruin]

White Lady feels an intense desire to propagate herself, she also subjugates the Queen’s Gardens

[plain ruin]

Egg

[echo vapor]

i remembered it being mentioned somewhere

[frosty gate]

But she doesn't have followers

[echo vapor]

wasnt she just hiding in there ? That place is infested with mantis traitors

she doesnt have any followers i think

[plain ruin]

It wasn’t always infested

And Hallownest’s citizens worship her as their Queen

[plain ruin]

GMS is pale, she’s called a Pale Monarch at least once

[echo vapor]

yeah that

[frosty gate]

Im sorry but this is so hard to believe considering theres no idols of her at all

Like i know she had followers, only because she's adjacent to PK

[plain ruin]

They worship and revere the Pale King, many lines of dialogue indicate similar levels of reverence held for the White Lady

[frosty gate]

But after Hallownest's fall, she doesn't have any

[echo vapor]

i think bugs mostly revere PK because he gave the sentience in the first place

[plain ruin]

She still wants to have devotion, she wants to spread herself throughout Hallownest, but she doesn’t out of regret for the deed she did, and because she’s hiding from the Mantis Traitors

[frosty gate]

And different from Unn, nothing indicates WL is as weak after not having followers

[plain ruin]

Was she always unable to see clearly?

[frosty gate]

She doesn't know the Traitors are outisde

Or rather, no dislogue indicstes she knows

[echo vapor]

dont think so

[frosty gate]

No, she used to see properly

[plain ruin]

Could that be a sign of her weakening somewhat?

[plain ruin]

She knows Dryya is defending her, and she can sense the weakening of the Vessel through her roots. She knows something is out there that threatens her

[frosty gate]

I think its attributed to her being bound to place

[plain ruin]

And he married the White Lady. That reverence would likely have become shared with her

[frosty gate]

!wiki White Lady

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/White_Lady

Hollow Knight Wiki

White Lady

The White Lady is a recurring NPC in Hollow Knight and Hollow Knight: Silksong. She gifts one half of the Kingsoul to the Knight in the Queen's Gardens.

Location

Queen's Gardens (Hollow Knight)
Red Memory (Silksong)

Affiliations

Pale King (husband)
The Hollow Knight (child)
The Knight (child)
Broken Vessel (child)
Vessels (children)
Hornet (stepdaughter)
Hallownest (queen)

Aliases

Lady (Hornet)
Pale mother (Godseeker)
Queen
Root

Gender

Female

Voice

Zara Pellen

[echo vapor]

what i also find interesting is that The White Lady is still alive in Silksong

[frosty gate]

White Lady says only that Dryya stood guard

As in, shes just a bouncer

[echo vapor]

there is no particular concept of time in HK universe, but i think there are clearly signs of time passing by

[plain ruin]

The fact that she needs a guard means that there is something she needs to be guarded from

[frosty gate]

She doesn't know Dryya is dead and doesn't know she was being threatened

[frosty gate]

Yeah, literally anything

[plain ruin]

And so she remains hidden, that is one reason she remains hidden

[frosty gate]

But back into Topic, she doesn't really seem to follow normal HB rules

The way Hornet explains her urge for Dominion doesnt align with the way WL says she has an urge to Breed

[echo vapor]

Her only purpose to exist is to spread her seeds

maybe thats why she doesnt want dominance or homage from other bugs

or at least doesnt need them

[frosty gate]

Which makes sense for her, but doesn't align with Pale Beings wanting to Dominate

[echo vapor]

yeah

so she might be an exception because her intentions are different

[frosty gate]

We also knoe nothing about her and it bothers me endlessly

[echo vapor]

same

we really need more about Higher Beings

[frosty gate]

We have enough about other HBs

[echo vapor]

maybe SOS will introduce a Lifeblood Higher Being

[frosty gate]

She's the only one with no info

[echo vapor]

they are just the same honestly

thats why we could easily understand all of them

[frosty gate]

Yeah but not only that, we know a bit of each, WL is so odd

We know the origins or where every HB started

Except for WL

There's no mention of her arrival in Hallownest

And no mention of her being there in the first place

No mention of her being more than the King's wife

No simp followers like Emilitia and Lurien

We only know she's the Queen and she invaded Greenpath

And invading Greenpath is so weird considering not even PK did that shit

[echo vapor]

The area originally belonged to the Mosskin

but she claimed it to create her gardens

which is weird, really

[frosty gate]

Yeah but like?????

PK respected Unn's territory

[echo vapor]

yeah i understand that

[frosty gate]

WL just said "Meh fuck those gardens are cute and they will be mine"

I also say she doesn't seem to be any weaker despite having no followers becuse Godseeker never says she's any weaker

Godseeker said Unn was weak

But that WL hides from them

She just doesn't want to be bothered

[echo vapor]

"It was not often used by the common bugs, being a well-guarded retreat for our late Queen." Does this mean the Kingdom thought WL is dead ? Or at least the Last Stag

"our late Queen" specifically

or does it just mean "former"

[frosty gate]

Our late Queen does sound as if he thinks she's dead

[frosty gate]

Former would also make it sound as if she was dead

Because i mean

She's still queen

[echo vapor]

yeaaa

[frosty gate]

Of nothing, technically

[whole holly]

yea

what's the topic?

WL?

[frosty gate]

I was talking about WL being weird for the hundredth time

[echo vapor]

well, on talking about her eyes, she said : "I cannot see you, but then time has clouded my eyes and I cannot see much."

does it just mean she is old asf

[frosty gate]

So it seems

[echo vapor]

she specified about time clouding her sights

[echo vapor]

so no followers doesnt affect her at all it seems

[frosty gate]

For some reason

Like at least the NMH has a roundabout method of staying alive

Even if it doesn't have proper followers

[echo vapor]

the discrepancy between WL and other Higher Beings

[paper mantle]

Since we're talking about the White Lady, what do you think this means?

[random harbor]

Godseeker - Pantheon of Hallownest - White Lady Dream Nailed

Pale mother... We barely dare to think. The chance of meeting is too rare.... but thine resonance! Could you be one of Them?

@nostor_10. used /npcs quest name: Godseeker category: Pantheon of Hallownest dialogue: White Lady Dream Nailed

[paper mantle]

Could you be one of Them?

What does it mean?

[echo vapor]

Higher Beings ?

idk

[paper mantle]

Yeah, probably

[echo vapor]

probably just polarizing how prestigious a Higher Being is to them

thats what they do after all

[plain ruin]

Or Pale

[paper mantle]

No, she say "pale mother"

[plain ruin]

She does, but she might be in disbelief that she is an actual Pale Being

[paper mantle]

If she says "pale mother," it's because she knows she's a pale being.

[plain ruin]

She recognizes that she is pale, but she may not fully believe her eyes. Pale Beings are rare and seem to be incredibly attractive to the Godseeker compared to the rest. And here is one that may still be out there, just hidden away

The Radiance sits atop it all as Absolute Radiance, but that’s because she isn’t dead nor diminished

If either of the Pale Beings were alive and sought devotion from the Godseeker, they would be at the peak

[paper mantle]

White Lady for example?

[plain ruin]

Yeah

If White Lady didn’t hide herself away with those bindings, the Godseeker would attune herself to her

[whole holly]

well, they can't attune to White Lady, so they speculate whether or not she is higher being, but she is

[plain ruin]

Surely she recognizes Unn as a Higher Being, no?

But she doesn’t react the same way at all

[whole holly]

they can't know because she evades attunement

[plain ruin]

She must recognize that White Lady is a Higher Being that diminishes herself

[whole holly]

yea but unn isn't evading it or diminishing herself, she is asleep and power is waning

[plain ruin]

But Unn is still out there, they could meet

and yet she doesn’t recognize this chance of meeting as being too rare

[whole holly]

it is weird how common "fading god" trope is in hollow knight and transfers to silksong as well

[foggy fractal]

TC is creatively bankrupt!

[paper mantle]

Everything in the game is in decline

Or at least the majority

[patent wing]

why didn;t bugs of hallownest not smuggle or export charms to pharloom?

[whole holly]

which is why i found Moss Druid lore more refreshing, yes Act 3 was probably some kind of struggle for mosslands but rhythm/beat is forming at accelerated pace thanks to Moss druid

[paper mantle]

There's a Karakian in Hallownest

Is not a joke

Is true

[whole holly]

why would they be smuggled? there are plenty of willful migrant laborers coming to pharloom as pilgrims

oh you edited charms in

[limpid summit]

A lot of hornets things are charms

[whole holly]

then that doesn't make sense either, what charm is precious enough to be exported?

[patent wing]

i meant charms sry

[limpid summit]

They just aren’t called that

[patent wing]

i mean sick bussiness idea

[whole holly]

yea, there are really similar things like amulet is basically means charm, making Druid's Eyes a charm

[patent wing]

oh

[limpid summit]

Warding bell is a charm etc

The mechanical tools aren’t but the more magic ones would be if they were in HK

Just different names across games

[patent wing]

larp

[foggy stratus]

Almost all the blue and yellow tools are basically charms. Things like snitch pick, scuttle brace, slingshot thing, and Sawtooth Circlet aren't tho. Probably missing a few but yeah.

[whole holly]

yup, i actually like tool system little more

[whole holly]

yeah, i am glad we agree let's larp!

[limpid summit]

Thank you Nick

I’m glad as well

[foggy stratus]

Like the only red tools that could be argued for being a charm are the Flea Brew and mayhe Plasmium Phial.

[twin dragon]

plasmium phial????

and uh

they're literal tools

very obviously so

[foggy stratus]

Lifeblood bs.

[foggy stratus]

I only think Flea Brew might be some form of charm because of its weird properties.

[twin dragon]

Uh

that's just brew

you even need to refill it

it has a physical bottle even

[stray fog]

I consider only a few of them to be charms

Most of them are actual physical tools

[foggy stratus]

Red Tools? Yeah, definitely. But a lot of Blue and Yellow Tools are basically charms.

[stray fog]

Holdon let me check the tool list

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Tools#Blue_Tools
List of blue tools

The pollip puch isnt a charm imo

[foggy stratus]

It it is imo but whatever.

[stray fog]

And the description of the fractured mask calls it an actual skull

The warding bell and druids eyes could be charms tbh

[stray fog]

"Pouch containing a fast-acting venom drawn from a flower's heart."

This description is the reason I dont think it's a charm
Its just an actual pouch of venom

[foggy stratus]

Just from the Blue Tools I currently have rn:
Druid Eye
Warding Bell
Pollip Pouch(kinda debatable imo)
Multibinder
Weavelight
Spool Extender
Wreath of Purity
Memory Crystal
Wispfire Lantern
Are all charms.

[stray fog]

This list is mostly agreeable for me

The guideline Im going by is that if the tool's use is justifiable if we consider it as a normal everyday object, then I dont consider it a charm

[foggy stratus]

More blue tools i dont presently have but are probably Charms:
Egg of Flelia
Pin Badge
Magma Bell
Claw mirror tbh
Maybe Volt Filiament?
Long Claw

[twin dragon]

not rlly sure that multibinder could be considered a charm

neither wreath

[stray fog]

The ones I disagree with are-

Pollip pouch
Multibinder
Reserve bind (maybe)
Memory crystal (maybe)

[twin dragon]

nor spool extender wtf

yo WHERE

egg of flealia

the most obvious one tbf

[foggy stratus]

[foggy stratus]

Memory Crystal is like the most blatant one to me.

To me if a tool does something that can only be explained via some kind of magic, its a charm.

[stray fog]

Claw mirror, long claw, and volt filament are disagreeable

[foggy stratus]

Long Claw is literally a talisman.

[twin dragon]

long claw is lwk js a piece of a claw

[foggy stratus]

Its basically just Long Nail.

[stray fog]

The thing is that memory crystals are normal in pharloom (because of mount fay)
It isn't doing any magic separate from all the other mnemonic rocks

[whole holly]

that's true, way charms are described generally overlap between tools and mementos

[stray fog]

True

[stray fog]

I gotta admit, there are a lot more potential charms here than I first thought

[whole holly]

there are plenty of charms formed from existing magical substances like Deep Focus that's formed from crystals, Memory Crystal wouldn't break any rules to be considered a charm.

[stray fog]

The description also calls it a talisman

The description is like "this is a talisman, but it is also just a huge claw"

[twin dragon]

Yeah a talisman can be a keepsake

[stray fog]

[whole holly]

volt filament and spore shroom are both composed of living matter as well

[foggy stratus]

If Long Claw were an actual piece of blade put on the end of Hornet's needle than id admit it isn't a Charm, but it functions like exactly the same way Long Nail does

[stray fog]

Volt filament is explainable as being a voltvyrm organ

[twin dragon]

filament's quite literally a ripped out part of the vyrm

[twin dragon]

It is entirely possible for this to be the case

[foggy stratus]

Thorns of Agony and Sporeshroom are taken from plants.

[stray fog]

Since the description outright calls it a talisman, Im on your side for this one

[whole holly]

sure but why does it matter that much if it is formed independently or internally?

[twin dragon]

It doesn't really quite look like a charm either way

[foggy stratus]

My guy look at it. That can't be sturdyly put onto a weapon. Its a talisman, not an attachment.

[whole holly]

thorns of agony is for sure, don't remember spore shroom?

[stray fog]

Sporeshroom has some magic aspect tbh
Because it integrates with focusing soul

[twin dragon]

seems a bit far fetched to me

[foggy stratus]

Taken from the wiki directly.

[stray fog]

Why are the charms of silksong not circular?

(this is not meant as a counterpoint to yall's argument. Just a general question I have)

[whole holly]

thanks

[foggy stratus]

Most tools, besides red tools, have a vaugly circular shape. Only a few arent tbh.

[whole holly]

you mean rounded? that's mostly design choice, some blue tools are rounded

[stray fog]

thats true ig
But I wish there was a more satisfactory explanation

[foggy stratus]

Druids Eye, Warding Bell, Magma Bell, Pollip Pouch, Multibinder, Weavelight, Sawtooth Circlet, Reserve Bind, Wreath of Purity and Wispfire Lantern are all more circular, with others being like them aswrll.

Fractured Mask, Claw Mirror and Memory Crystal are also more charm shaped despite being less regular shapes.

[stray fog]

Holdon
Could we use roundness as a test fot something being a charm?

Egg of flealia and wispfire lantern, two tools that are the most charm-like to me, are very circular

[foggy stratus]

Then you have things like the Magnetite Dice which are also a Charm arent. So I say no.

[stray fog]

Unrelated but why is the magma bell shaped like that

[whole holly]

memory lockets and charm notches seem like they have lore-relevance but are only kept as gameplay-feature

[whole holly]

a bell?

[stray fog]

It is very round for a bell

[foggy stratus]

Forgedaughter likes curves ig.

[foggy stratus]

Yarnaby's home is also very rounded.

[whole holly]

they vary i guess

[stray fog]

And its sibling, the warding bell, has a very different shape

[foggy stratus]

And there are several circular bells, like all of the ones thrown at Hornet by bosses.

[foggy fractal]

kinda looks like him!

[stray fog]

True

[stray fog]

Yeah

[stray fog]

This is what no sea of sorrows does to the lore channel

[stray fog]

It also frames the sawtooth circlet as a charm which I dont agree with

[foggy stratus]

Explain how?

[stray fog]

Because its round

I was talking about the roundness test

[foggy stratus]

Roundness≠Charm

[stray fog]

Thats what Im saying bro

[foggy fractal]

im pretty round am i a charm

[foggy stratus]

Yes.

[foggy fractal]

what are my effects

[foggy stratus]

Youre a Karak guy right?

[foggy fractal]

nah I'm just a red guy
y'know I was thinking something grimm troupe esque back then but idk how to write good lore so

[foggy stratus]

You add a flaming trail to nail swings and synergize with Thorns of Agony to make them flaming.

[foggy fractal]

how much do I cost

[foggy stratus]

2 notches.

[foggy fractal]

oh right I forgot wasn't there something about how people can become charms or something in hollow knight

[foggy stratus]

Charms can form naturally, be artificially produced, form from inanimate objects, form from dying bugs wishes.

[foggy fractal]

💔 im dead!

[foggy stratus]

Womp womp.

I think they can also form from the desires of bugs tho?

[foggy fractal]

I still have a chance

[foggy stratus]

They can be formed through a lot of methods.

You plucked yours from the Nightmare Realm ig like Dream Wielder.

[foggy fractal]

well ig it doesn't have to be the nightmare realm related
I can just light myself on fire fr like those guys in wisp thicket

[near jasper]

This Channel basically

[whole holly]

"that's not outright stated, game doesn't mention that several events happened in successive order"

[winter thicket]

Quick i need a summary of silksongs plot

[craggy smelt]

my HK one works for Silksong too

[sinful nimbus]

they're putting character limits on ts bro 1984

[foggy fractal]

Yeetoos said quick... Im afraid its too late... he might be dead already...

[sinful nimbus]

Yak where's my punchline

[foggy fractal]

Im still here though!

Karn was doing something unknown 😭 what does she even do ahh

[craggy smelt]

I was going to mock you for apparently transcribing the entire script but I decided 'no, she's probably working really hard on it'

[sinful nimbus]

Thank you

[river garnet]

[edgy nebula]

how karn feels making a worse shadow dash in her sandy ass cave

[near jasper]

Karn vs 12 garmonds who wins

[foggy stratus]

12 Garmonds is over kill.

2 and an extra Zaza is all you need.

[foggy fractal]

tbf have we even seen Zaza go all out?

maybe one is enough

[near jasper]

Zaza runs at that speed with a full garmond on their head the entire time

Zaza soloes sprintmaster Swift

[rare night]

I hate lace

[foggy stratus]

Ok.

[limpid summit]

Tuff

[foggy stratus]

Why tho?

[rare night]

...honestly i dont know i just wanted to say that tbh

[craggy smelt]

it's fine

(I do too)

[past spoke]

ok so

while i know a fair bit of hollow knight lore

i don't play the game myself

my friend does

(funny thing, the only OCs I've ever made for hk was for the same friend and another friend as well)

so

lemme get this straight

a worm crashed in kingdom's edge and rejected its skin to become bug

then changed the brains of bugkind so they can do sapient stuff like art and architecture and politics and society

and then they were like 'wow neat'

and then they started to follow the worm (pale king)

but

there was a big bright moth who didn't like this

so she got the world sick

and while all of this was happening there was a woman

but not just any woman

she was made of silk

and she made the weavers, as well as lace and phantom (who i like to call silkshells)

and herrah the beast

ok so back to the pale king's line

getting sick and having orange growths spring up on your body is not pleasant

so the pale king, being the wise ruler he is

had children with a tree

a lot of children

and tossed them into the abyss to run survival_of_the_fittest.exe* and craft the perfect vessel to contain the radiance
-# *survival_of_the_fittest.exe has the commands noWilltoBreak, noMindtoThink, and noVoicetoCryOutSuffering

and then hollow, our child, makes his way out of the void pit, and greets the pale king at the top

and ghost, our other child, also makes his way to the top

but the pale king does not give a sh*t about that

so ghost is left to his own hands

a bit before that, though, pale needed some dreamers for... trapping radiance in the dream realm, i think?

and herrah, who got her spidery ass away from grand mother silk, was one of three dreamers

BUT her aid came with a caveat

she wanted

a child

so she got one

and her name was SHAW Hornet

and a few years many centuries? later, hornet is guarding hallownest and ghost is wandering the world or smth

and hollow is ready for containing the radiance

or so they thought

turns out they're not perfect

so they broke

and screamed

and the world was sick once more

so ghost came back to hallownest

and then hollow knight happened, and then a few centuries later perhaps, silksong happens

fin

[dire lynx]

Ghost isnt a name that refers to a specific vessel, best just to call them "The Knight" as that is what they are referred to in official capacity. The community mistakenly applying that name to the knight is one of my biggest pet peeves in this community

[past spoke]

yeah, i recall 'ghost' being a community nickname for the small vessel we play as

i just thought 'the knight' would be too close to the actual hollow knight

[dire lynx]

ghost is just what hornet calls vessels

because they are walking corpses "ghosts"

[craggy smelt]

i mean she calls him little ghost, a couple times

kinda seems it like becomes an affectionate nickname

[dire lynx]

she calls THEM ghost on first encounter, where she intends to kill them.

theres nothing affectionate about it

[craggy smelt]

but like later on though!

Again we meet little ghost.
I'm impressed little ghost.
Then do it, Ghost of Hallownest!

(I think we win her over eventually)

[dire lynx]

it doesnt change the fact its just a generic vessel name, you can argue in the end its more endearing, but it still isnt a special name for the knight

and its slop up there with "hollow" in my eyes

just use the damn characters name

[jagged sun]

Or just use TK for the Knight and THK for The Hollow Knight

[craggy smelt]

the knoight

[past spoke]

what if we call him gnome

or

bigby

iykyk

[whole holly]

Hey scoot, do you have diagram of pale beings and soul connection?

That’s okay

[lone folio]

Oh hello scoot, You have appeared once again

[midnight estuary]

ass

[sick tinsel]

lugoli mentionned ?

[full nova]

I’m doing my essay on silksong lore for school and need help with a few corrections

[stark ocean]

did they actually let you do that

[foggy stratus]

That's awesome.

[full nova]

Yes

Pretty much everything that happened from the ejection of the weavers to hornets arrival

I know the basics tho so just the nitty gritty

[fading shard]

mate I don't think we can reasonably help

even mossbags hour long videos don't cover everything

Are you sure you wouldn't prefer doing a timeline on undertales story

or shovel knights

[foggy stratus]

So:
After the Weavers left they put, in order of importance, the Conductors who are basically the nobility, Architects who maintain and create things for teh Citadel, and Vault Keepers who record and preserve the history of Pharloom. Each faction were entrusted with 1/3 of the Threefold Melody that, from my understanding at least, keep Grand Mother Silk asleep. Yeah fuck this.

[fading shard]

both are good and shorter

[fading shard]

also yo horf

feeling better man?

[foggy stratus]

Yeah.

[fading shard]

that's great bro

https://tenor.com/view/rabbit-gif-18669840

[fading shard]

I genuinely don't know how we're supposed to do this

I have not the sweetest of clues how to do this

[fading shard]

Also wouldn't you need a lot of hollow knight lore for silksong to make sense?

especially regarding hornets character

and the weavers

Yeah like if they just asked for gms lore or a specific character then that's possible

but this is too much

[fading shard]

Again are you sure you wouldn't prefer a undertale project instead

it also has a good and well developed story that has a ton of themes and morals that would fit perfectly for your school without it being........so long

[fading shard]

what corrections and help exactly

what did you even write down

or think you know

definitely doesn't fit for a project or a essay

[exotic pendant]

what was the topic of your essay for you to want it be about silksong

[fading shard]

whatever the christ it

is about

Silksong was not the answer

[twin dragon]

UT fans when character says "killing bad"

[fading shard]

nubbie with respect don't slanderise undertale

[twin dragon]

I will

fuck undertale omds

[fading shard]

That's unecessery man and you know it

[twin dragon]

Ye cuz i like the game but still

here we feed off of hate

[fading shard]

ehh if you say so

hope you're at least having a nice day man

[twin dragon]

broddie

why do you think

we all hate silksong here

not because silksong's story or the game itself are bad

but because we love hating

[fading shard]

oh

[twin dragon]

we dont criticize and point out what could be better

we just let our own personal opinions take over

of what it should've been

[foggy stratus]

Hating is why this heart still beats.
"Hate for their light. Hate for their pins. For their waste poured thick and endless. Fill your hearts with hate, for power has now been claimed, and with it we shall punish."

[fading shard]

so uh

is this what you are referring to

as se outright acknowledges them as her kin

She doesn't say in anyway she isn't one of them

she states she wants to stand apart from them

[foggy stratus]

When Hornet says "I am not my kin" she is separating herself from other Higher Beings by literally saying "I am not a Higher Being"

[fading shard]

and be different

[fading shard]

Horf

I am not my kin (to me at least) means I am not like my higher being kind

[echo vapor]

that is true

[fading shard]

It doesn't say she isn't one

she's saying she isn't liker her kin

it's like denouncing your family

not stating you aren't one of them

[foggy stratus]

Higher Being isnt a species.

[foggy stratus]

Its a state of being, I guess.

[fading shard]

you can't deny being a god

[spark valve]

the point of the mm dialogues is that he's projecting shit onto her because of her family that just isn't true

[fading shard]

she doesn't even state she isn't one

she states that she's not LIKE them

that's not the same

it's not something you can nope out of

[foggy stratus]

If she meant that dialogue to mean she isnt like her kin, she'd have said that. She deliberately says that she isnt her kin.

People keep attributing divinity to Hornet and she's telling Mask Maker that she isn't.

[spark valve]

it's what all the transitional state shit is about

[fading shard]

"person does not share the same traits, actions, beliefs, or values as their blood relatives or family."

I am not my kin literally means this

[spark valve]

in weaver queen she becomes a true hb but in true ending she rejects godhood altogether

[echo vapor]

she isnt a higher being (at least not made clear) but in the dialogue she is defying what higher beings normally do, dominate and subjugate bugs

[twin dragon]

Hornet isn't categorized as a god she's just scrutinized for being part god that's really not the same

[fading shard]

I just said she's part god

[twin dragon]

Yeah she is part god

but that doesnt make her a hb

does it

[fading shard]

makes her part higher being

[twin dragon]

we've had this discussion already

[fading shard]

yeah Ik

but horf and tammo are now saying she isn't part higher being because she says she isn't her kin

[fading shard]

and kin literally means family/bloodline

[foggy stratus]

The only Higher Being she's actually related to is the Pale King, who certainly didnt make bugs suffer. In the Mask Maker dialogue she mentions "pain born of their dominion" which given her time in Hallownest and what she's seen in Pharloom, make than likely is referring to the Radiance and maybe Grand Mother Silk. Neither of which are related to her in the traditional sense.

[fading shard]

given mask makers statements he groups her up with all higher beings in general

[foggy stratus]

I'm claiming she isnt a Higher Being. I prior said she's genetically part Higher Being due to her relation to the Pale King.

[twin dragon]

It really doesn't matter the mm is talking in the general sense

[fading shard]

what's the difference

[echo vapor]

she doesnt have higher beings' full potential i think

[foggy stratus]

Higher Being isnt an inherentible title. She gets many perks of it, but that doesnt make her one.

[spark valve]

mask maker just groups them together but mask maker is supposed to be wrong to do that

[fading shard]

his dialogue isn't supposed to be seen as false information though

like I don't think the game is trying to state that all he is saying is false

what he's stating about hornet is false

[twin dragon]

But he assumes hornet will follow the same path

[fading shard]

because he's biased

[fading shard]

and for that he is wrong

yes

[spark valve]

yes which is why it's wrong

[fading shard]

clearly it is, if she's going to be called as one

she get's called god, higher, ancient one, higher caste, etc by a few different characters

or part god

or part pale

[random harbor]

Developer comment: Higher Beings

According to William Pellen, Higher Beings are creatures in the world of Hollow Knight that exist above all others.

Source

@lexmolten used /dev-comments source: Reddit name: Higher Beings

[fading shard]

she's part

[foggy stratus]

This wouldn't be a trait that can get inherited. Its a state of being.

A binary.

Youre either above all others or youre not.

[fading shard]

._.

[twin dragon]

I think it is already pretty clear that hb state isnt hereditary

[foggy stratus]

Vessels arent Higher Beings just because of heritage.

Neither would the children the Vessels were originally.

[fading shard]

I do wanna say that I am still here

I'm just thinking

[fading shard]

uhhh

[whole holly]

this is true in game

[fading shard]

yeah

[lapis creek]

she definitely has potential in that she can become a higher being by taking gms' power

i think the main thing about mask maker's dialogue is that most of his statements are about the way he expects hornet to act based on her relationship to the pale king

not really about her actual abilities

which makes sense because he is a mask maker and kind of a specialist in bugs' identities

[dark arch]

HERRAH IS A DRAPEMITE🔥

[whole holly]

i wonder if Gargant Gloom can be infected, since Shadow Creepers can be

[whole holly]

they look like pharlid diver anyways

[foggy fractal]

I assume so

[whole holly]

do you think they can be plasmified or even haunted?

[fading shard]

haunted not so much personally

[whole holly]

me neither, since void-adapted being wouldn't get silk stuck in their organ if they have void liquid in their body

[foggy fractal]

I don't see why not plasmified if someone just injected a shitload of lifeblood

now who would do such a thing

[whole holly]

it is basically infection

[whole holly]

i am glad monomon knew not to experiment with or else her Uoma's would be infected, oh wait they already are just by another infection

[stray grove]

We don’t actually know but it’s possible

[whole holly]

they are?

[craggy smelt]

there's a guard corpse in Fog Canyon with the dnd 'drained...'
suggesting it was drained by the jellies
possibly they were developed with the intention of draining infection goo out of the bugs

maybe before it was fully understood

as a dream-based attack rather than a natural plague

[stray grove]

I mean, no?

They’re just infected

[craggy smelt]

i'm hoping for sea slugs myself

there could be any number of ocean creatures~!

[whole holly]

you and me both!

[edgy nebula]

i wanna see karak refugees in sos

[spark valve]

downscaling karak for no reason

[sinful nimbus]

they should add a karak survivors camp and only have one NPC in it

[twin dragon]

karak's rest

[craggy smelt]

karak refugees fled to hallownest (where they tragically also died)

i don't really expect karak though, it seems like their region was distinct from this sea, they even described it as a river

[edgy nebula]

yeah, just saying i could see it and itd be nice to expand and explain some of karak's lore

if we dont get a karak settlement a lionfish village would also be funny

[fair estuary]

where does it say this?

[craggy smelt]

i'm mostly kidding, there's just a ghost in Hallownest that looks similar to the karak

[fair estuary]

Oh in spirit's glade?

[craggy smelt]

yeah

[fair estuary]

i see

[craggy smelt]

it would be neat if they added new relics to collect for Scrounge

collect some bits for ancient lore

[twin dragon]

tc wont add more lore stuff and fix its writing

[craggy smelt]

I'm fine with just more lore stuff

[twin dragon]

we need old pharloom

[whole holly]

we also need old hallownest and old land of storms(before gods died) but that isn't going to happen

[twin dragon]

Nah lwk we don't, maybe smt about land of storms but hallownest doesn't have that much left ambiguous about its past

[whole holly]

Pharloom doesn't either we know plenty about Old Hearts and Weavers, unless you are talking about Moorbugs and niche old pharlooms tribes

[hushed spindle]

silksongs lore is lowk kindda too vague for me and i dont see much correlation with hollow except the weavers and shi but still could anyone help a bit with helping me get it

[limpid summit]

The weavers that appeared for a bit in HK were actually regular bugs uplifted by the higher being Grand Mother Silk to serve her and be her daughters

The ones we see (including herrah, hornets mom) left for other kingdoms like Hallownest to escape her

But some stayed, sealed her, built the Citadel around her and ruled for a while

Apparently the ones who left came back to Pharloom according to HK but we don’t see them

[hushed spindle]

Hmm

But as I see in the game it looked like the citadel and the weavers were trying to keep grandmother silk asleep forever because of "the haunting" or im nnot sure but like I wanna know what actual danger was grand mother silk

[limpid summit]

So we don’t know that much about what she did before they put her to sleep

But we know she was at least not entirely peaceful because she fought Karmelita and the ants plus Khann and the crabs

The widow cutscene suggests the weavers were made to play music for her and sustain her light eternally

While the tablet that talks about our weavers leaving suggests they wanted to be free of “service eternal”

That’s why they created the citadel

The haunting came long long after once they had all died

Regular bugs, the conductors, got rule passed to them but they messed around with her silk in Whiteward which awakened her slightly

[hushed spindle]

yes

[limpid summit]

Enough to send silk down and intertwine it with the silk inside all bugs over time

[hushed spindle]

Arent also the weavers supposedly grandmother silks daughters?

[foggy fractal]

not biologically
GMS made some pharlids into weavers

[hushed spindle]

Ah

[hushed spindle]

And GMS used the haunting to control bugs to keep working where they even awaken from death right?

[limpid summit]

Yes the haunting can puppet bugs forever

But the “bug who serves must never die” thing was before her

Or before the haunting ig

If that’s what you’re talking about

That could be one of two things

It could be the silkflies (which are former bugs and were used to guide pilgrims) or the practice of putting new silk inside bugs that led to haunting

[hushed spindle]

Yeah yeah the citadel like cant afford bugs to die and they atleast recycle them in ways like turning them into silkflies to power machines and such and for light

allat

[fallen zealot]

I have a question

[foggy stratus]

What's your question?

[fallen zealot]

If Lace is Hornet’s aunt why does it say sisters of the void

[foggy stratus]

Its referring to Hornet being The Knight's sister.

The Knight functionally is the Void.

[stray grove]

The ending is called Sister of the Void not Sisters of the Void
Sister of the Void refers to Hornet, who is The Knight’s sister (The Knight being the Void), it has nothing to do with Lace

[fallen zealot]

So I’m lied to this whole time

Guys I have something pissing me off

So because o was exited because my uncle was getting me a new game on my pc and also because the silksong hype was still there I bought silksong before hollow knight I sometimes hate happiness

[fair nymph]

Yo, what of there was an escaped vessel that reached Pharloom? Good dlc expansion idea

[silver brook]

has anyone seen the sandborn fan made trailer

[craggy smelt]

yes, everyone's vessel OCs are potentially canon

[foggy stratus]

Even mine

[craggy smelt]

especially yours

[foggy fractal]

yes

[craggy smelt]

yea they also did a little gameplay sequence mock-up - fun stuff

[crystal marsh]

we don't know if there were any others who made it out or not

[knotty prism]

its possible but i like to think that the knight is the only one who made it out of hallownest

makes them feel more special

at least the only one who made it out and survived

[foggy stratus]

Inherently there's nothing special about The Knight.

Its basically just luck it got there at that moment.

[near jasper]

Didnt the vessels get assimilated into the void or something after we beat the first game

[craggy smelt]

the Siblings who had lost their shells and become shades in the Abyss did

other vessels that are still 'alive/active' should have avoided this

THK for one (as seen in the EtV ending)

[paper mantle]

What do you think, guys? Are the same?

For me are very, very similar

[foggy fractal]

no I don't think they're the same

[craggy smelt]

that particular mound on the halfway home isn't even a shell, it's stitched together - some kind of big patchwork bag, like the smaller ones all over the region

[paper mantle]

Well, I tried

Fly high, gods of storm...

[stray grove]

There are like zero similarities and why would the Gods of Thunder and Rain be there of all places

[craggy smelt]

are you suggesting that the old gods might have been giant patchwork balloons?
...intruiging prospect...

[paper mantle]

Idk, but it doesn't matter anymore.

[paper mantle]

Hahahahaha...
No.

[spark valve]

the craw thing is literally fabric

[edgy nebula]

it's the nightmare heart

[compact lark]

Which game's lore is better?
Silksong, or hollow knight?

[edgy nebula]

hollow knight

[compact lark]

How come?

Is it because of grubs?

[foggy fractal]

well my biggest grievance is that they didn't check their writing enough and made Hornet racist

and look like an idiot

in Silksong that is

[compact lark]

When is she racist?

I'm in the final act of the game and don't remember her being racist

[idle mesa]

slab enemies hunters journal

[foggy fractal]

Slabfly journal entries

[exotic pendant]

it's just the slab

[foggy fractal]

The less these gruesome bugs breed, the better. - Freshfly

Foul creatures birthed into servitude. Their plight elicits no sympathy from me. - Scabfly

The smell from these jailers overwhelms my senses. I strongly doubt they have ever thought to bathe. - Guardfly

Disgusting both in manner and stench. I feel no remorse to see them felled. - Wardenfly

With this one vanquished, I hope to have sped the end for that jail and its distasteful order. - Broodmother

[exotic pendant]

guys no need to be dramatic about it

[foggy fractal]

pick your poison ahh journal entries 💔

[exotic pendant]

well, hornet did visit the broodling (for some reason) with no violent intent, so that's something

[idle mesa]

lmao

[exotic pendant]

but why did she visit the broodling though

[idle mesa]

shits n giggles

also to make the player mad that we couldnt kill it

[compact lark]

How many endings are there?

[exotic pendant]

3-5

[compact lark]

Wdym 3-5?

[idle mesa]

3 technically 4 techincally 5

[exotic pendant]

well, end game bosses makes 3

[compact lark]

How?

[exotic pendant]

there's a fakeout ending

and then there's mr mushroom/herald

[compact lark]

Wdym?

[exotic pendant]

act 3

[compact lark]

...

[exotic pendant]

entering act 3

[idle mesa]

technically it coutns as an ending

[compact lark]

there's an act 3

[foggy fractal]

yes

[exotic pendant]

FUCK did I spoil...

[foggy fractal]

this channel is all spoilers allowed btw

[idle mesa]

it is very allowed

[compact lark]

ik thats my bad

[exotic pendant]

yeah you should like, not be in any channel instead pf skong help

[compact lark]

i thought act 2 was final

[exotic pendant]

no

[compact lark]

i thought i beat game

[foggy fractal]

theres a bunch of requirements needed for act 3

[idle mesa]

mhm

[compact lark]

like what?

[exotic pendant]

how to obtain act 3: do random shit

and then it will be presented to you

[idle mesa]

eh

[foggy fractal]

#sk-help message I think this is accurate? but you can see that its pretty specific

convoluted even

[compact lark]

That's so random

[foggy fractal]

see?

[compact lark]

Why would anyone just assume to do that?

[foggy fractal]

no one does lmao that's why people shit on it

[exotic pendant]

well it's not an assumption, without spoilers it just feels like time passed

[foggy fractal]

I think TC's thought process is that the player basically does everything and then will stumble across it

[exotic pendant]

you just try to do everything you can and boom, act 3

yeah that's basically it

[compact lark]

Wow

What do you even do in act 3?

[exotic pendant]

NO SPOILERS

go go go

(please)

[compact lark]

Your right, ill find out myself

[foggy fractal]

Hi I'm gonna spoil you

har har har

[compact lark]

NO

[exotic pendant]

[compact lark]

Give me a week and i will be back

[foggy fractal]

Well get outta here! Shoo!

[compact lark]

[ripe ether]

are there any official translations for the mottled skarr dialogue?

[void patrol]

None that i heard of
Probably just some banch of letters

[ripe ether]

But there are things he says more then once

for example kha

or noku

[void patrol]

But he probably just says things like
Who are you
What you want
Want to trade
Etc ect

[ripe ether]

What I think strange is that he uses "Rkraha" as greeting and in the shell shards item description

[void patrol]

The best lore revelent would be the item dicreptions

Probably

[ripe ether]

"Noku... Noku!" translates to "wanna trade"?

[void patrol]

[midnight hornet]

Something like that

[knotty prism]

mottled skarr deserved better

rip my goat

matter of fact im chaing my pfp right now to pay tribute to him

[foggy stratus]

Twelfth Architect. Well actually thats what they wanted iirc. They deserved to not be shackled by their coding.

[fair nymph]

Do you guys think there are other kingdoms that a pale worm travelled to to turn an empty space into a monarchy and created children? Surely there is probably one some where in Pharloom too with how much space is underground

[lusty holly]

Anyone know if Trobbio has anything to do with Grimm?

Similar kind of concept and design but he seems like quite a different character

[bright hawk]

i don't think theres any connection between them

[lusty holly]

I can't find anything tangible either but they just seem SO similar

[bright hawk]

ik

[fair nymph]

Plus we don’t know what else could be under the lava in the mining area. There could even be something underneath the Marrow without us knowing

[bright hawk]

imma go google it i guess

[lusty holly]

like both theatrical performers who battle to the death onstage with red designs??

[bright hawk]

no they actually don't have anything

[lusty holly]

Maybe!! Mr Mushroom says "wyrms pull bugs into their thrall" so presumably it's happened more than once

[bright hawk]

but yeah

[lusty holly]

don't think there's any evidence that's what happened in pharloom though

looks like higher beings are generally required to create civilisations

[lusty holly]

yeah there's a crazy lack of correlation

[verbal herald]

mabye they use the same methods of magical theatrical preformence to do stuff

[coral mural]

i think they're just both into theatrics

[bright hawk]

that fits

[foggy stratus]

Except the Mantises. And Ancient Civilization. And Karak. And several more.

[lusty holly]

What's with all the stuff in hollow knight about the pale king granting bugs sentience?

Doesn't silksong kinda contradict that

[foggy stratus]

He uplifted the minds of bugs.

[lusty holly]

was it all just hallownest propaganda

[foggy stratus]

Some bugs naturally have minds.

Like Zote or Tiso.

[fair estuary]

Yes. zote is so special.

[foggy stratus]

Very special.

[fair estuary]

his skills are unmatched

[midnight reef]

Nah, but the Burning Bugs do ;3

Not actually, in lore they are as of now entirely unconnected

Well, most of the Greymoor bugs are

when Ari was concepting them, they were very clearly pulling from the styling of Grimm

And the sketch of what became the Burning Bug had a Nightmare Staff thingy

[foggy stratus]

I think they used to be some kind of Void Cult early on.

I heard that from somewhere.

[jagged sun]

yeah, in the ACMI map reveals, there was a void cult marker where wisp thicket is

[foggy stratus]

Im not saying in lore they used to be Void Cultists, I'm saying in game development they used to be a kind of Void Cult.

[whole holly]

they there was Void Cult marker in ACMI map, i wonder why that concept was scrapped?

[foggy stratus]

Maybe they're saving it for a dlc?

[whole holly]

i am not sure, i feel like it has been scrapped for long time

[craggy smelt]

void cult seems to have been the original plan, then it was changed to make them the burning bugs

maybe TC didn't want to foreshadow any Void stuff until the big climax

now part of me hopes that a void cult will be introduced as post Act-3 content, rising up in the aftermath of the black-threading

a group of bugs who became obsessed with the Void's power after surviving it

[sick tinsel]

what are chances we see a creature stronger than the radiance (except the void, ofc)

[foggy fractal]

maybe the steel masters?