sk-lore

[stray grove]

Ultrakill is based

[fading shard]

the thing is broken as in the thing you sent

it's just a frozen image

[stray grove]

That’s not parry slop and I don’t like it for the combat

[foggy fractal]

🤔 what are your favourite ultrakill songs

[stray grove]

Any turn based rpg has mid combat

[sinful nimbus]

You were glazing the combat bro

[stray grove]

I said it was more involved than I expected

It is fun but I’m not going to lie

[light verge]

https://tenor.com/view/twitch-waving-smile-hi-gif-15927901782759822906

[sinful nimbus]

Is Ultrakill's story kinda tuff

[edgy nebula]

i find strategizing what move to use fun, especially with other party members or people

[stray grove]

The best turn based rpg combat is probably still Radiant Historia

But slop genre

[sinful nimbus]

oh my god bruh

[foggy fractal]

I heard the fraud final boss isn't good as what was the previous layer uhhh

[spark valve]

well yeah

[foggy fractal]

ermmmm

[stray grove]

Better than SS for sure

[foggy fractal]

psh ofc

[sinful nimbus]

It isn't but its kinda impossible to beat 7-4 and 8-4 is still incredible

[spark valve]

I mean it is really good but idk about best

[foggy fractal]

ss is such a low bar

we got hornet over here

talking about killing all slabflies

[spark valve]

I should replay radiant historia

[stray grove]

They’re all the same anyway I just said the name of the only one that does anything different

[fading shard]

wild statement

[edgy nebula]

he has a point

[foggy fractal]

:nodd

🙂‍↕️ I see

[fading shard]

does he? Because it's rather subjective

[sinful nimbus]

Which one went harder

"But always, child, I remain a Daughter of Hallownest"

"Face it, brother. God is dead. The Fire is Gone. You're chasing phantoms."

[edgy nebula]

turnbased rpgs rely alot on other mechanics to have good combat

[stray grove]

“It’s rather subjective actually” 🤓

[edgy nebula]

otherwise youre just pressing a button

[foggy fractal]

phantoms? like phantom from silksong???

[fading shard]

can you be less sarcastic and passive agressive

[spark valve]

who's gonna tell him that real time games can also be reduced to pressing buttons

[foggy fractal]

I mean

[fading shard]

everytime I talk with you kirb it feels as though I talk to a redditor

[stray grove]

That’s not the reason turn based RPGs are generally mid

[foggy fractal]

I'm pressing buttons rn

[fading shard]

you realize undertale is like almost universaly beloved

[sinful nimbus]

https://giphy.com/gifs/clock-reddit-12-JmieXFSI2B13yTQNrv

[fading shard]

it's more popular then hk

[stray grove]

UNDERTALE HAHAHAHA

UNDERTALE?????

[edgy nebula]

yeah but its worse with turnbased rpgs cause theres less action usually

[stray grove]

UNDERTALE “COMBAT”????

Good joke

[spark valve]

undertale is 1 painfully meh and 2 not well liked for its turn based rpg combat system

[stray grove]

The reason Undertale is beloved isn’t the combat lmao

[fading shard]

you said that rpg are generally mid

[stray grove]

Yeah?

[fading shard]

ever said it was beloved for it's combat

I said that it's not mid

it's combat is obviously rather lack luster

and barely existent

[sinful nimbus]

turn based combat systems just can't compete with real time

imo

[spark valve]

person who hasn't played slay the spire 2

[edgy nebula]

undertale combat peaked at when the bosses do numerous side to side slashes in a circle pattern

[sinful nimbus]

maybe true

at least its not radiant historia

[edgy nebula]

toby finds that the peak of difficulty apparently

[stray grove]

“Turn based rpgs have mid combat”

cites the most mid turn based rpg combat to ever exist

[stray grove]

Deckbuilders are more of a sub genre but true

[edgy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/sans-undertale-gif-5488851

[foggy fractal]

oh yeah speaking of slay the spire 2

[edgy nebula]

this move is on like every hard bossfight in undertale oat

[fading shard]

I thought you were saying undertale is mid not that combat is mid

[spark valve]

well that's about turn based combat in general not rpgs specifically

[foggy fractal]

have y'all play sts 1

[spark valve]

yeah

[stray grove]

Undertale is mid yes

[foggy fractal]

gem alert! geeeeeeeeeem alert!

[stray grove]

Do you want to go there

Just because something is popular doesn’t mean it’s good

[fading shard]

hollow knight is popular

[sinful nimbus]

check how tuff ts is

[spark valve]

2 is better I hate to break it to ya but it does lack watcher my beloved

[fading shard]

are you trying to imply it isn't good

[stray grove]

Oh my god

First of all no that’s not what that means

[spark valve]

made up a whole ass different statement to argue against

[stray grove]

Second of all yeah I’ll bite HK is a pretty average MV

[foggy fractal]

yeah I need to get 2 still 😔 maybe watcher will come once its out of beta they did say they're still planning to add more characters I believe

[spark valve]

something being popular doesn't mean it's good
that doesn't mean everything popular is bad

[fading shard]

are we being serious

[spark valve]

yeah roadmap said there would be a new character, dunno if watcher or a new new character

[stray grove]

Please Watcher

Surely that’s not her who died surely she could get revived

You know everyone hated Watcher that’s why they didn’t bring her back

[spark valve]

she could prolly get revived either way

[spark valve]

people are dumb

[foggy fractal]

I'm gonna be fr all my watcher wins so far are the infinite

[stray grove]

It’s true that sts1 was ridiculously unbalanced

[spark valve]

wrath my beloved

[fading shard]

Undertale is good though? by no means is it's combat good, it's pretty lack luster, but it's music, characters, and story writing is done really well, including it's unique aspects

[whole holly]

when talking about subjective topic like games most "objective" measurement is popularity, because taste can't really be measured and popularity can

[spark valve]

it's a single player deckbuilder roguelike balance isn't the point

[stray grove]

Wrath is really silly tbf

[spark valve]

wrath is cool as hell

[foggy fractal]

enter wrath draw two cards

🗣️

[fading shard]

because what argument am I supposed to make about tastes

[foggy fractal]

why did tc copy wrath? (beast bind) are they creatively bankrupt?!

[stray grove]

Wrath isn’t even more dangerous because shit that doesn’t just die gives you a million shields from wallop and then you stance back

[fading shard]

tammo with respect I can't just say you're wrong for disliking this game

[spark valve]

totally zero relevance to anything I said

[stray grove]

My favorite watcher builds are the quirky ones

She has a lot of underrated cards and can make a lot of things work

[fading shard]

what were you trying to say ;-;

[stray grove]

Unlike say Defect’s quirky builds

[foggy fractal]

what are your guys highest acensions

[spark valve]

idr my sts1 ascensions but on 2 I've got one at 6 and the rest are like 3-4ish (2 only goes to asc 10)

[whole holly]

i would say OneShot is best game, because combat is boring if you care about story

[fading shard]

it is well done on what it goes for and I personally love it

[stray grove]

I forgor, I haven’t played in literally forever but it was something like 17 watcher 13 defect 12 ironclad
And 4 silent lmao
Need to hop on sts2

[foggy fractal]

yeah they compressed the ascensions in sts2, 10 is double act 3 bosses yeah?

[spark valve]

uuuh yeah

[whole holly]

i mean yea there are combat, platformer and story aspects of metriodvanias and most games end up compromising all three of them

[foggy fractal]

I'm only on 1 for ironclad 😭 10 for both silent and defect and 4 for watcher

[stray grove]

I’m glad Silent got a glow up in 2

I hated her in 1

[foggy fractal]

I love silent

[spark valve]

2/3 chance of doormaker in sts2 asc 10 is wild

[stray grove]

She was fun for a bit but man

[spark valve]

she's fun but needs the buff she gets in 2 so badly

[stray grove]

Defect might be my favorite in 1

[limpid summit]

Can GMS use lasers

[fading shard]

hey apple egg

[stray grove]

Probably

[fading shard]

probably

[stray grove]

Silklight bro

[fading shard]

given that silklight is a thing

[spark valve]

soulslop

[foggy fractal]

how much is she buffed in 2?

[stray grove]

She was the best character in the game by far then they nerfed her a few times but she’s still really good

[spark valve]

new mechanic called sly where cards with that keyword get played when discarded, plus shivs get an actual win con

[stray grove]

Her infinite is the easiest to set up I believe and shivs are crazy now

[fading shard]

hey apple egg can I talk to you in dms about smth

[stray grove]

The inky rework is cool tbh

Inky shivs

[spark valve]

oh and tracking exists which is CRAZY

[twin dragon]

what the fuck is a silklight

[spark valve]

soul beam

[twin dragon]

servitors?

[spark valve]

Broken construct built by Weavers past, able to fire a focused beam of silklight to carve halls and chambers through ice and bone.

[sinful nimbus]

Silklight of a long dead servitor

[twin dragon]

it might aswell be a weaver invention tbf

[stray grove]

What if TC went back and changed every mention of the word soul in HK to silklight

[spark valve]

it's literally just a soul beam

[lapis creek]

kingsilklight

steel silklight jinn

[spark valve]

at least weavelight sounds cool silklight is so auraless

[lapis creek]

it's hunter's journal placeholder #191

ari lets just come back to this in 2027 when we're almost ready to release the game

we cant spend too much time on this we have to delete coral gorge

[foggy fractal]

oh so thats what sly does that sounds crazy

[stray grove]

Ari I’m done with those Slabfly entries you wanna read them nah not now we gotta rewrite act 3

It’s ok I’ll just get chatgpt to do it let’s focus our efforts on deleting the steel assassins make sure not to tell the backers though

[twin dragon]

2 diff things

[lapis creek]

william what should i make hornet say to lace before she jumps in the lake

idk ari but i got this cool new idea for a boss in the wormways

[twin dragon]

"Check this out... what if we took no eyes... and made her worse for 0 reason"

[stray grove]

How are we gonna revisit lifeblood fuck it let’s just make these guys infected

[fading shard]

why are we so negative here man

[stray grove]

Ari we can’t have actual infected Radiance dies in HK oh right

[twin dragon]

Hate is our food

[fading shard]

nubbie I know but positivity is good too

[twin dragon]

no

[light verge]

ari, I’ve got this cool idea for a bench in bilewater

[foggy fractal]

hey I love silksong I vividly remember the day it was revealed
I played hk before the dlcs came out
doesn't stop me from shitting on it because god are the bad parts bad

[stray grove]

Can’t wait for the final DLC to come out in 2030 where Hornet talks to Grimm about how much she hates minorities

[lapis creek]

i cant wait for team cherry to announce that they have hired kanye as their chief writer

[spark valve]

another forged in the fires of pre lifeblood traitor lord

[light verge]

hornet dis track for the PK in steel soul mode

[lapis creek]

it was a slabfly doctor

[light verge]

I forget traitor lord was bad

[stray grove]

I think it’s entirely fair for people to have been disappointed by SS when TC cut half the shit people were excited for and bastardized the other

[light verge]

I also forget the amount of enemies that got voices in lifeblood, I’ve got a revisionist history mindset when looking at hollow knight weeew

[plain gazelle]

my read is that a lot of people here spent their entire childhood thinking about HK lore so there is literally nothing silksong could have done to live up to the idea of HK lore they have in their heads

[foggy fractal]

brother had like 2 moves

[spark valve]

ant cities 😔

[stray grove]

Yarnaby backstory

[foggy fractal]

I was so excited dawg that shot with the big ant guy with the bridge in the bg

[stray grove]

Ants in general fuck was that execution

Random Karm boss fight in the middle of the nothing third act that shouldn’t really exist

[fading shard]

okay 😔

[light verge]

in the end silksong felt a lot less grand then the original trailer suggested haha

[stray grove]

Hey at least it’s not Seth

[spark valve]

going from hoping it wasn't a rehash of the mantes to wishing it was

[fading shard]

wdym half?

and bastardized the other

[lapis creek]

i mean maybe that's true but some of it is really bad

like not "not as good as it could have been"

[plain gazelle]

as someone who didn't care too much for HK and didn't follow all the silksong trailers or hype leading up to it, silksong is pretty much across the board an improvement over the first game and way more interesting and better written story

[stray grove]

It means they cut a significant amount of the content people were most excited for and a lot of what made it in was significantly less impressive than we initially expected it to be

7 years btw

[foggy fractal]

also imagine being the kickstarters and having to wait 10+ years for your stuff to get into the game

[stray grove]

Still unfinished maybe they just can’t finish games

[foggy fractal]

we're still missing 2 dungeons

TWO

[spark valve]

just wait for fearless fox trust

[fading shard]

I mean I'm more upset at the fact they never included the stuff they promised for the white palace

they reached the goal

promised two bosses for it

and we know got either of em

nor a dlc

[stray grove]

In retrospect I’m glad we didn’t get those expansions

WP expansion would be like an evil death lab where PK had a bunch of torture robots or something and Abyss DLC would be uh SS Abyss

[foggy fractal]

at least we have high halls

peak halls

[spark valve]

peakwater

[twin dragon]

It was just never that impressive at all

it looked rather incomplete actually

[plain gazelle]

literally compared to what

[fading shard]

I feel as though you've gotten a lot more sour ove the months kirb

[twin dragon]

How are we nostalgia salivating over the game's trailers 💔

[plain gazelle]

what game in the genre is more "complete" or "impressive" than silksong lmao what is this expectation

[fading shard]

you were a lot more positive months ago about silksong

not trying to upset, or insult you, I just want to ask why

[lapis creek]

is that true

are you sure

[stray grove]

What

[spark valve]

even if that was true new toy syndrome wearing off is like a normal thing

[fading shard]

Yeah he was a lot more positive about silksong back in 2025 when it released I think

[lapis creek]

kirb has been like this since steamdb was updated

[sinful nimbus]

Kirb was a certified hater even before release on god

[foggy fractal]

dw city of steel expansion will SAVE Silksong

trust.

[fading shard]

wait really?

[sinful nimbus]

UPSCALE SHARPE

[lapis creek]

would i lie to you

[fading shard]

Really??

[twin dragon]

Nostalgia coming in

[fading shard]

I know you wouldn't

[sinful nimbus]

If Sharpe killed PK and WL it would lowk save the lore just because it would be funny

[foggy fractal]

finally reveal his companion we still don't know the apperance of for 7 years

[twin dragon]

"New toy syndrome" the game was heavily shat on even at release

[stray grove]

I’m so real for that

[sinful nimbus]

Also make him kill off the entire ancient civilization cuz they kill people who use void anyway

[foggy fractal]

w sharpe

[fading shard]

with respect nubbie 99% of the stuff people even critiqued silksong over was it's dificulty

[stray grove]

I mean there are a lot of things to criticize

[fading shard]

yes

that is true

but it took a good while before videos or comments started to appear about those said flaws

[stray grove]

Maybe I’m just…

A miserable hack

[twin dragon]

The masses did, but act 3 was always regarded as a nothingburger and such

[spark valve]

this seems like a bubble thing

[sinful nimbus]

TUFF

This the nostalgiabait we needed

[foggy fractal]

can we bring bardoon back

we love bardoon

[fading shard]

I do live on the moon so that's likely

[spark valve]

people I was talking to were plenty aware of the issues with the game like poor economy, act 3 reqs, lackluster act 3 in general

[stray grove]

No they’d ruin him

[foggy fractal]

true

[fading shard]

okay yeah everybody hated on act 3

that's true

[foggy fractal]

unfortunate

[lapis creek]

as someone who purposefully bubbled myself for the first 2-3 weeks i can vouch for this

[fading shard]

okay what are your thoughts on act 1 and 2

[lapis creek]

but yeah act 3 goddamn

[stray grove]

https://tenor.com/view/point-gif-2450101530054484962

[fading shard]

I myself was disapointed by act 3

[spark valve]

and in other subservers

[fading shard]

Exploring the areas felt like a chore

[stray grove]

Yeah like CK

And DOVP

[lapis creek]

of all the things about act 3 i would not go after this

i liked the exploration

[stray grove]

What exploration

[twin dragon]

fym exploring there's nothing

[stray grove]

The game holds your hand all the way through

There’s like one new area????

Bruh

[spark valve]

act 3 has like one thing to actually explore and it's tiny

[twin dragon]

and its also a nothingburger

[lapis creek]

i wish there were more

[twin dragon]

because you get nothing from it basically

[limpid summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-ego-gif-9709800945809453150

[fading shard]

exploring the same places I already went too

to see if anything changed

[lapis creek]

to the extent that there is anything new to explore it's good

[limpid summit]

I like Lifeways

[fading shard]

what does ck and dovp stand for kirb

[limpid summit]

It’s not like it’s very new

Cool kids and debate of vessel purity

The latter was PEAK

[stray grove]

No you don’t

Don’t lie

[foggy fractal]

I'm under the belief they should've never touched void and just made a bigger act 2

[stray grove]

That’s like a bottom three boss man

[lapis creek]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-cube-spinning-morgan-freeman-true-gif-6497263663941640363

[limpid summit]

Come on yes it’s shitty infection but visually it’s just cooler infection

Plasmidas looks way better than say a violent husk

[stray grove]

“Cooler infection”

Ok lil bro

[limpid summit]

Stylistically it looks fun

Gomd

[stray grove]

Lifeblood Vessel OC

[limpid summit]

Anonymous Shade boss fight in sea of sorrows

[foggy fractal]

it is cooler (blue is a colder colour than orange)

[limpid summit]

In the Pile of Regrets sub area

[stray grove]

TUFF

Grimm shows up like Shakra and Garmond in the HH gauntlet

[tawdry flare]

Truer

[foggy stratus]

Isn't blue fire hotter than orange tho?

[limpid summit]

“Slabflies love slavery!”

[lapis creek]

this is a way bigger problem than just act 3

[foggy fractal]

🤔

[fading shard]

Personally apple egg I have to disagree

[stray grove]

I mean yeah that’s why I started hating since the steamdb leaks

[tawdry flare]

That’s a rumor

[foggy stratus]

Yeah it is.

[sinful nimbus]

You can't have an act system and only have 2 acts tho

[tawdry flare]

Sure you can

[lapis creek]

i would say it's at its worst near the end of act 2

[foggy fractal]

why not is there an act rule book

[lapis creek]

where you have to figure out what you're missing to progress

[fading shard]

I never really noticed any big issues in act 2

[tawdry flare]

Oh wait they could’ve just not done acts because they weren’t added until like uhh not too long before release

[spark valve]

well yeah but that's due to the transition

[foggy fractal]

if you have to had act 3 just go with tammos fs idea thats act 3 right

[lapis creek]

i dont know what they were thinking

[stray grove]

The vast majority of Slabflies actually enslaved other Slabflies first the Citadel wasn’t the problem

[sinful nimbus]

after playing E33 trust

[fading shard]

oh that

[stray grove]

In Slabfly land or wherever it is they come from

[lapis creek]

theres really no cause and effect for unlocking silk and soul

[fading shard]

you mean to act 3 because the developers said it out right

[twin dragon]

Hornet forgets the slab and becomes gooder

[fading shard]

they wanted act 3 to be something that people that do almost everything in act 2 get

act 3 was supposed to be like a "secret"

[lapis creek]

when playing blind you cant really figure out what needs to happen you just have a vague feeling that eventually caretaker will do something important

[fading shard]

those that regularly play the game stop at act 2 and beat gms

[twin dragon]

If you read the dialogues act 3's pretty easy to figure out

[stray grove]

“Secret” and it’s like every late game boss and the true ending

[fading shard]

that's outright said by team cherry

[fading shard]

that's what they said

[stray grove]

That’s not an excuse

TC can say whatever they want

[light verge]

I thought progressing act 2 meant finding the key to the Rosary cannon room and spent an eon trying to find the key

[tawdry flare]

“Secret” and it’s the 2019 trailer

[stray grove]

Fr

[sinful nimbus]

back when the game released and people were saying it was tied to progression and you needed to buy out shops

[lapis creek]

what do you mean

[light verge]

I can’t blame em for thinking that, given how much is weeew

[lapis creek]

how am I supposed to infer that vibing with shakra for 30 seconds will cause the caretaker to propose a secret plan to kill gms

or moving the caravan to fleatopia i guess thats the big one

[fading shard]

team cherry said that they wanted act 3 to only be something that everybody that went out of their way to do everything could unlock

[twin dragon]

Hornet mentions several times that she felt smt for pharloom's inhabitants and starting to restrain herself

[lapis creek]

didnt they say this months after release

[twin dragon]

this is unfortunately not how you do an act 3

[sinful nimbus]

my needle 0 playthrough where I got stuck and had to pull up the wiki to learn that upgrading your needle is mandatory to get one of the donation quests which is necessary for restoration of bellhart 🗣️

[fading shard]

that is what they said

[spark valve]

ss having a super generic story about hornet being supposed to be a good guy really doesn't give the player good reasons to think doing random bullshit is necessary to progress

[fading shard]

and they also said in that same thing

that sharpe and the village of lions

will be added in silksong (eventually)

[sinful nimbus]

I was so mad bro 😭

[foggy fractal]

dw

in a dlc

definitely.

[twin dragon]

Yeah i can also call generic story anything i dont like

[foggy fractal]

they won't pull some shit again.

trust.

[spark valve]

I know of 3 people who this happened to which is very funny

[lapis creek]

and again just because it was intentional doesn't mean it's good

[fading shard]

Hornet isn't even a good guy

[lapis creek]

i dont know why people bring up their self awareness as though it adds to the experience

[sinful nimbus]

Its wabi sabi

[spark valve]

the point is that it's not noteworthy that hornet has whatever platitudes so the player isn't gonna immediately be like "oh ok donating more money than I earn with all the wishes combined is mandatory"

[lapis creek]

"we wanted this boring busywork to be a prerequisite for some of the most fun fights in the game" yeah but why

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong can still be beautiful with flaws twin 🌹 ❤️‍🩹

[spark valve]

tbf most act 3 fights aren't even that good

[lapis creek]

some of them are

[foggy fractal]

hm?

[lapis creek]

its not even just the fights really

[foggy fractal]

don't you disrespect Crawfather Tammo.

mods.

get him.

[lapis creek]

theres nice stuff in act 3

[spark valve]

I said most

[foggy fractal]

w crawfather

[lapis creek]

and even if there wasnt

you dont know that as a first time player

[twin dragon]

god forbid restraint coming from sympathy be a thing

[stray grove]

Crawdaddy ❤️

[spark valve]

I don't find hornet having evil genes she has to do random shit to realize she should resist the urge of conquest and domination all that compelling it's kind of just goofy

[fading shard]

Wouldn't you just do that out of the goodness of your heart?

[stray grove]

No

[lapis creek]

hornet is a war criminal

[fading shard]

I mean like in stardew valley you can have a house be built for pam

It's just there as a neat thing you can do

purely out of the goodness of your heart

[stray grove]

Holy false equivalence

This isn’t a neat thing you can do it’s a TE requirement lmao

[fading shard]

or in undertale you can actually do a lot of stuff for the sake of doing good

[sinful nimbus]

Me playing BOTW but to reach Hyrule Castle I gotta collect 15 butterflies for some random bum and do a bunch of other sidequests cuz Link is a good guy

[spark valve]

silksong packs itself full of mediocre side content with lackluster rewards and then punishes you for learning that it's not worth doing them

[twin dragon]

Its rlly not about her genes only she has been taught this bs, I wouldn't call it random's also not quite true as you're aiding pharloom

[lapis creek]

why would i donate large sums of money to a group of people who already have enough money to fund genocides outside of their borders

[twin dragon]

Actually yeah silksong is dogshit

lwk 2/10 game

[foggy fractal]

thats generous

[twin dragon]

true

[sinful nimbus]

Glad we can agree Mio sweeps

[foggy fractal]

no nine sols does

get out!

[fading shard]

okay we are genuinely hating on silksong way too much

[foggy fractal]

Mio more like Mid!

[twin dragon]

why couldn't we have had mio's healing system and dogshit plot twist

man this sucks

[sinful nimbus]

🤤

[twin dragon]

Unironically one of the least forgettable experiences in the game

[sinful nimbus]

I think everyone here likes Silksong its just fun to hate on it

Same thing happened to HK

[lapis creek]

i dont think kirb likes silksong

[twin dragon]

especially for something that looks like a nothingburger

[sinful nimbus]

Oh I have that guy blocked

Who cares what he says

[twin dragon]

deadass?

[stray grove]

Nice air stall btw

[foggy fractal]

idk about everyone

[twin dragon]

yeah i actually hate it its bad

its really bad

[spark valve]

silksong's combat is good but it just makes so many totally unforced errors

[twin dragon]

no its not good

its bad

everything has contact damage it sucks

[blissful harbor]

silksong a combat is good

[twin dragon]

it punishes you for being near

god forbid

being near

[spark valve]

contact damage is annoying but whatever attacks have enough range that it's mostly fine except for a few bosses (karm lmao)

[stray grove]

I mean I enjoyed my time with the game but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t disappointed at the end and left scratching my head at some of the game design (and writing but who cares it’s a MV story) decisions

[twin dragon]

Its rlly not i cant just stand and tank the hits and it also has many errors like tools

[lapis creek]

tools are funny

[twin dragon]

crests shouldnt have been a thing tbf

[blissful harbor]

tools are good if you ignore them

[twin dragon]

it wouldve been better if the combat was just pure nail

because im elitist

[spark valve]

shell shards are so bad I can't believe they made it that bad

[blissful harbor]

crests are just fine

[twin dragon]

crests are ass why would you use any of them

[stray grove]

Upgrading crests isn’t fine though

[lapis creek]

i think i got used to the idea over the years

[blissful harbor]

different methods of attack, it’s cool
and a different bind

[twin dragon]

lwk shit concept

[lapis creek]

i knew i would just be hoarding tools in the end

[blissful harbor]

all crests are good in their own ways idk what you mean

[sinful nimbus]

Shell shards would be unbelievable game design if a certain game didn't already make the same mistake

[twin dragon]

no they're all ass why use one when you can use hunter

[blissful harbor]

very true

[spark valve]

reaper needs a buff

[stray grove]

Not only does upgrading them suck upgrading the one you get special upgrades for doesn’t contribute to the poorly signposted requirement for getting more upgrades

[twin dragon]

Certain.. 2... games

[blissful harbor]

that’s just subjective

damage wise no

but like

who cares about damage i wanna hsve fun

[twin dragon]

reaper is so ass

like lwk

why use

why

[foggy fractal]

I did a second 100% playthrough but I lowkey forgot where one or two of the crest memory lockets were so I lowkey just gave up and went to fought lost lace

[sinful nimbus]

Bloodborne was the root of all bad game design like ever

[twin dragon]

you want to have FUUUN?

[blissful harbor]

reaper does need a buff

[lapis creek]

how much of a flat damage increase do you think reaper would need to not be the worst crest in the game

[twin dragon]

Jokes on you no

[sinful nimbus]

Blood vials

[lapis creek]

obviously thats not the way to fix it

[sinful nimbus]

Rally system inspiring HK

[twin dragon]

That's about it yeah

[sinful nimbus]

Its just a bad game

[lapis creek]

but im just trying to get a number here

[twin dragon]

Rally's good

[spark valve]

I don't know but it should definitely do more damage than other crests

[lapis creek]

standard gamble type thing

[stray grove]

Me when I’m playing a MV game and it has a corpse run or currency loss mechanic

[sinful nimbus]

Slop combat and no respecs 🥱

[twin dragon]

respecs 💔

[stray grove]

BB isn’t even good why did people glaze it sm

[blissful harbor]

bloodborne is peak

[twin dragon]

Why do ppl love e33

[stray grove]

Has like ten weapons half of them aren’t fun to use all of the non dlc bosses are bad

[twin dragon]

ue5 slop

[spark valve]

this is why pop is the goat (it technically has currency loss but you barely notice it)

[foggy fractal]

pop like path of pain?

🤔

🤔

[sinful nimbus]

ts tuff and you know it

[spark valve]

prince of persia the lost crown

[twin dragon]

"artistic direction" but i cant differentiate it from rdr2

[spark valve]

self report

[stray grove]

pop also has a goofy dlc

[twin dragon]

Oh i also love having fernando alonso's number on the background while 2 big humanoids stand there

[foggy fractal]

ohhhh prince of persia my bad

[near jasper]

[spark valve]

the dlc rocks

[twin dragon]

[stray grove]

Yeah have fun with the challenge dlcs mate

[spark valve]

ok the challenge ones are pretty crazy I meant mask of darkness

[sinful nimbus]

Kirk hammer kinda tuff

[stray grove]

mod is cool yes

[stray grove]

It’s so bad

[twin dragon]

I could've seen where the sk hate comes from but atp you're a lace level ragebaiter

[lapis creek]

not only this but they are actively doing so

[sinful nimbus]

Idk I killed two bosses and it was tuff

[twin dragon]

we digging deeper

kirk hammer is a very funny weapon indeed

[sinful nimbus]

I can think of a game with better bosses and a better rally HP system though

Better silk usage than SS too

[twin dragon]

Icantseeshit hunter

[sinful nimbus]

when they're slandering your goat but they're lowk right

[stray grove]

The two bosses were probably the one reborn and micolash

[twin dragon]

Why do you need eyes to play mh

the bosses are mid why do you need to see what they do

pluck them out

no difference

[blissful harbor]

micolash as a tuff boss

[spark valve]

we've already established you can't see shit you think e33 looks like rdr2

[blissful harbor]

am i not wrong or is that not bro who spends the fight running away

[stray grove]

kids be calling anything tuff nowadays

[twin dragon]

But it does

[spark valve]

it's making a comeback

[sinful nimbus]

kirb post the MHRise visual clutter image

[twin dragon]

You either get the gimmick or you don't

[twin dragon]

ill do that for you

[foggy fractal]

i heared tuff wasn't actually tough

[blissful harbor]

doesn’t mean i have to like it

[foggy fractal]

is that true?

😨

[sinful nimbus]

why tf does insect glaive look like this

[spark valve]

least bad faith rise criticism ong

[twin dragon]

Tammo we can not be talking

[sinful nimbus]

Rise UI sucks tbf

[spark valve]

yeah if you turn all the elements on

[sinful nimbus]

You gotta turn some stuff off then its fine if a bit messy when fighting afflicted mons

[twin dragon]

What is that

Is ts like ultrakill where you need to play the game to comprehend what happens on the screen

[blissful harbor]

yes

[spark valve]

sis is complaining about rising spiral slash it's over

[twin dragon]

or do you just not comprehend what happens on the screen even if you play the game

[foggy fractal]

demon/archdemon mode 🥶

[twin dragon]

lmao what the fuck is this

[foggy fractal]

why couldn't hornet do that?

[twin dragon]

they butchered the colors of that thing

Bell eater red color

[spark valve]

wyverian twin spotted mock this user

[twin dragon]

💔

[blissful harbor]

hornet could totally grab a pair of scissors and dual wield

she’s just a pussy

[twin dragon]

Anime ass glowing armor

[sinful nimbus]

my ultrakill gameplay is readable to non-players trust

[twin dragon]

The most microtransaction looking game without microtransactions

[twin dragon]

Its not readable to my discord apparently

[foggy fractal]

i can't read it because its not like text

well actually

[sinful nimbus]

Why can't Hornet use Soaring Wyrm Dive

[foggy fractal]

there is the speed and hp in the bottom left

[foggy fractal]

no devil lived on 🥶 tuff!

[twin dragon]

ultrakill is so ass imagine having a shooter with 10 other useless unfun weapons

[sinful nimbus]

Best fraud OST

[twin dragon]

and bad enemies

every bad enemy ever is un uk

[stray grove]

Afflicted Scorned Magnamalo

Shit is so bad for readability

[twin dragon]

also it look ugly

[stray grove]

Good thing the fight is just it exploding on repeat until it dies after 20 minutes

[sinful nimbus]

Fraud would've been the time to compose a really long bull of heaven style track

Hakita can do it https://piranesiproject.bandcamp.com/album/070-gratitude-and-a-misdemeanor-hail-mary-triumph-oer-death

[foggy fractal]

whats the best in violence

[sinful nimbus]

8-3 does

[sinful nimbus]

The World Looks Red which is also the best OST in the entire game

[lapis creek]

but are the scissors made of hivesteel

[twin dragon]

every level is ugly fym

[lapis creek]

the well-known export of the hive

[blissful harbor]

no she gets them from a dead sentinel

[twin dragon]

its not ue5 like my pretty goat e33

[stray grove]

If Hornet was a DB user we’d have two things in common

[twin dragon]

it has no "art direction"

[lapis creek]

legendary metalworking civilization

[foggy fractal]

feels the aura!

[twin dragon]

it doesnt have a generic sad tragic story about loss

[sinful nimbus]

8-3 especially though

[twin dragon]

Lwk i have to think about this one

[twin dragon]

Why not pick the space section

💔

and what is walmart doing there

[sinful nimbus]

Space section is OK but it would've been tuffer if the sun exploded as a reference to the City of the Dead Sun and the Creation of the Tree of Life

[twin dragon]

Son

do you want your pc to suffer like v1?

you can't feed blood to it so it can't heal yk that right

[sinful nimbus]

Because 8-3 runs sooo well

[twin dragon]

yeah and obv it needs MORE lag

my largest issue with 8-3 are the bugs

why do bugs still happen

7-4 is overrated

[sinful nimbus]

Bugs are bad but I also don't like the aesthetic and its a very long level with a few filler encounters

[twin dragon]

I like the aesthetic being just bullshit warped

[sinful nimbus]

Still a top 5 level but it could've been the best level if Hakita hired me

[twin dragon]

thats very fraud like

Every other level didnt feel fraudulent enough tbf

[foggy fractal]

what are you gonna do? write better lore?

[twin dragon]

except 8-2 that mogs

[sinful nimbus]

No Ultrakill lore is good

[twin dragon]

the 2 lines of lore is good yeah

[sinful nimbus]

8-2 is the best fraud level

[twin dragon]

8-2 is the best fraud level

[sinful nimbus]

truth nuke

[sinful nimbus]

8-1 is fine

[twin dragon]

8-1 is the best intro level

[sinful nimbus]

Just rehashing old aesthetics is probably the most predictable way to do the fraud aesthetic

[twin dragon]

competing with 7-1 if 7-1 didnt have shitotaur

[spark valve]

It’ll be good when they add actual god warriors not those cheap knockoffs

[sinful nimbus]

true

[spark valve]

Ohma p-3

[twin dragon]

No but like it moves and wriggles and stuff

[sinful nimbus]

(the power fakeout is good though)

[twin dragon]

And yk, space

I'd imagine this is what hakita was going for

7-4 is carried by atmosphere

[sinful nimbus]

The portal usage is very good

[twin dragon]

the 2 exclusive bosses to 7-4 are mid as hell

the enemies are well implemented doe icl

[sinful nimbus]

They last for 5 seconds and are p unique

[twin dragon]

Yeah but aren't good

life if p1's flesh prison just exploded

[sinful nimbus]

They work

[twin dragon]

"work"

allat to get rehashed as regular enemies

except brain but brain is mid

[sinful nimbus]

7-4 is a very unique level with the chase segments and security fights its not like you're just fighting the security

Its not my favorite level gameplay wise but its up there

[twin dragon]

No it is

also its very wonky

like yk, the security js being a bunch of turrets

and the brain having a built-in grill

Also not very recognizable and very much forgettable

[sinful nimbus]

The brain isn't really a forgettable encounter the lasers are p unique and also a tutorial

[twin dragon]

It is

On the left side of the ring we have GABRIEL, APOSTATE OF HATE, and on the right siiiide its the fucking blob with lasers

[sinful nimbus]

Which both play differently from eachother

The rotating lasers are cool why are you hating

[twin dragon]

Because its sleep

Same game with my goat btw

[sinful nimbus]

Do Robots Dream of Eternal Sleep

[twin dragon]

i'd want smt more unique for the fight with an earthmover

instead we get blob

[sinful nimbus]

It is a unique fight bro

[twin dragon]

so is the minotaur

and they're both mid to bad

[sinful nimbus]

The Minotaur is great too

[foggy fractal]

if you could add one boss from ultrakill to make silksong good

what boss would that be

[twin dragon]

no

no he's fucking not ew

get away

[sinful nimbus]

Mirror Reaper 😍

[twin dragon]

sisyphus being the true final boss

[sinful nimbus]

Stone the moon as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50Mei8QVig4

[twin dragon]

panopticon just rises from lost lace's arena and stuff

[sinful nimbus]

UK fans when they have to aim

[twin dragon]

no minotaur is just wonky and unfun

at least the 1st phase

[fading shard]

Most of them wouldn't make sense but I'd say the cerberus from 0-5 yeah they are the most boring climax boss

but I mean v2, gabriel, eathmover and minos wouldn't really fit

[sinful nimbus]

Limiting the arena is always cool

Unless its Fourth Chorus because Silksong sucks

[fading shard]

actually would the minotour fit wel?

[sinful nimbus]

Also just instakill minotaur smh

[fading shard]

The minotour was fun in my humble opinion nubbie

[twin dragon]

crucified

[fading shard]

fourth chorus was a cool boss

[fading shard]

😔 understandable

[twin dragon]

ok but slow

[sinful nimbus]

do you use saws

Cuz its mid with saws

[twin dragon]

Yeah but its not like my main thing yk

[sinful nimbus]

As is all of ultrakill because I'm elitist towards saw users

And jackhammer users

[twin dragon]

fuck you

[fading shard]

you P ranked everything in ultrakill on brutal right

[sinful nimbus]

Yea

I don't actually hate saw users but I do prefer nailgun

[fading shard]

Same here and I did so without using the alternates once

[twin dragon]

P-2 P rank is haunting me still

has been for months

fuck panopticon

[sinful nimbus]

at least rocket riding is easier now

[fading shard]

you just grapple hook man

[fading shard]

Listen I did so a good while ago

and let me tell you nubbie

there's a clear cut strategy

[twin dragon]

Yeah but panopticon is still ass

it doesnt change a thing

its easy

it can be a run killer sometimes

but

its still ass

and i hate it

----Z tier

[fading shard]

it's well made by hakita

for it's purpose

[twin dragon]

no its not

[paper mantle]

Do we know anything about the origin of GMS?

[twin dragon]

its ass

its worse than palestag

[fading shard]

We know nothing about the origin of any higher being

[foggy fractal]

yeah pretty much

[paper mantle]

Do we know why it "appeared" to be on the surface?

[fading shard]

?

[craggy smelt]

it's hard to say where Silk first appeared, as there are pharlids in a couple of places, and she may not have appeared at the same spot she happened to be making Weavers at
her influence is said to extend below the Cradle - she may have descended from somewhere above, and simply stopped where she felt she could begin to do whatever it is she was seeking to do

it's a bit like asking why the Pale Wyrm appeared at Kingdom's Edge - maybe that was just where it felt was an ideal spot to start the project of Hallownest

[paper mantle]

😯

Thank you

[trail wagon]

It's not impossible, it's just never even hinted at

[twin dragon]

Her name ig

[midnight reef]

Daughter of 3 queens was an early idea that TC made for Hornet, probably before Deepnest was split into Deepnest and Kingdoms Edge

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me a random enemy rq.

[midnight reef]

It made more sense when Beasts Den and the Hive were nearby

But I don't think Hornet being raised in part by Vespa is inane

[foggy fractal]

first sinner

[foggy stratus]

Gimme a minute.

[midnight reef]

The Hive is Insular now and they were clearly in contact with the outer world due to Vespa having knowledge of the Hollow Knight/Dreamers

Least, iirc

I remember after I talked with Vespas ghost getting the impression that the Pale King likely approached her to be a Dreamer, but it's been a long ass time since I read that

[trail wagon]

Agreed

[midnight reef]

But, there's a chance TC fixes this

[near jasper]

Whats the topic rn

[trail wagon]

Where did she say she knows about the dreamers or the HK?

[midnight reef]

In the artbook of Silksong Ari jots down a few changes they wanted to make in Hollow Knight

[trail wagon]

Nah

[trail wagon]

Bad

Hornets are hostile towards bees

I guess it would make sense as a derogatory name

[near jasper]

Not sure interesting dreamer part but :"Small thing. I know your kind." To the Knight

[near jasper]

She knows about vessels

[midnight reef]

Among them being the widescreen support, a new jump animation for the Knight, and a new hidden room in the Hive (Ari called it "Hive Hornet Room")

[trail wagon]

Ohh yeah that's true

[foggy stratus]

"I've heard of an ancient group of 'Weavers' wgo used to control much of this region. How simple weavers could perform such a task then so totally vanish, i do not know."-The Hunter

[trail wagon]

Well, I think it's reasonable to assume the Hive was aware of some of the things happening in Hallownest

[trail wagon]

Oh wow interesting

[midnight reef]

TC knows it's a problem, and wants to fix it XD

[trail wagon]

What I'm saying is that as of right now it all feels kinda contrived

[midnight reef]

A bit, yeah

Silksong screws with Weaver and Hornets lore quite a bit

[trail wagon]

We don't have enough info, and that's kinda the problem

[midnight reef]

... generally for the best, imo

[trail wagon]

+++

But the hive stuff idk

[midnight reef]

Daughter of 3 queens was cool

I'm glad they kept it

[twin dragon]

They brought back cut content?

[foggy stratus]

Really?

[twin dragon]

but why cut content in the first place then

[foggy stratus]

That's what I'm saying.

[midnight reef]

It's on the page for the Green Prince, iirc

[trail wagon]

I teared up on the red memory but still

[trail wagon]

Looking at it from a more rational standpoint of view I feel like it would've made more sense of the kept the hive where it was

[near jasper]

Most people dont know very much about the vessel project , ogrim Didnt seem to know that there were even multiple vessels even though he worked for pk

[trail wagon]

And gave more details about the connection prior to silksong so that it would connect better

[midnight reef]

It's hard to read, but it's all there

[trail wagon]

I would also point out that they started making Silksong prior to most DLCs

[midnight reef]

Yeah

[trail wagon]

Although these are prolly older

Newer I mean

[midnight reef]

Though these pages are from like, ~2022

As it has Bilehaven sketches

[craggy smelt]

intruiging

[near jasper]

[fading shard]

that wouldn't really make any sense

[trail wagon]

Yeah, would make sense

[craggy smelt]

i joked about a 3rd Hive visual pass, to think it may occur...

[fading shard]

why would the pale king suddenly make such a deal with the hive

[midnight reef]

Don't give them the idea

[fading shard]

after they were seperate for that amount of time

[trail wagon]

I don't really see why Vespa as the QUEEN of the Hive would dedicate so much time to mentor Hornet

[midnight reef]

Because then they'll do a full remake

[fading shard]

because Hornet isn't much of a fan of the pale king

[twin dragon]

did i mention hallownest

[trail wagon]

Doesn't she have bigger fih to try and hollower vessels to fill? ✌️😭

[trail wagon]

No, why would a QUEEN do that

[fading shard]

why would the pale king go out of nowhere and threaten them into training hornet as a deal

[craggy smelt]

Hornet would have been a student with a lot of potential
if Vespa was any kind of a mentor, that alone might have just been an attractive prospect
beyond Hornet being a possible future asset to the Hive

[fading shard]

that's not in character for him

[lapis creek]

it's certainly convenient for him

[trail wagon]

That too

[fading shard]

especially when again the pale king respected and left the hive alone for many ages

[craggy smelt]

it wasn't necessarily the King's idea - Red Memory suggests Hornet was born and raised in Deepnest before going to the Hive
Herrah may have made some kind of deal with Vespa

it doesn't look like PK was really that involved in Hornet's early life - she was conceived entirely as a part of the bargain with Herrah

[fading shard]

the idea of it being herrah is something I could buy into

[lapis creek]

the result is that when everything collapses he can leave the kingdom in hornet's responsible and well-trained hands

[trail wagon]

Nah I mean we can write whole fanfic novels on that, but I would appreciate some actual in-game narrative about that

[lapis creek]

not that he would really plan for that eventuality it's just nice how everything turned out

[twin dragon]

you ain't getting shit

[near jasper]

How does Vespa know so much about the vessel project

[midnight reef]

It's also worth mentioning that Hornet isn't just some bug, she is the daughter of the most powerful bug alive in Hallownest and a Weaver, and is herself a princess

[fading shard]

good question actually

[craggy smelt]

maybe we'll get some more tidbits in a future DLC - I anticipate that Vespa will be a boss fight in whatever the 'Hall of Bosses' DLC for Silksong is

[lapis creek]

pk isnt really so coercive anywhere else though

[trail wagon]

Prolly

[craggy smelt]

some people theorized that Vespa might have been a candidate to become a Dreamer (and said no)
but we really don't know

[near jasper]

Monthly infection stopping conference with pk, unn, mantis lords, vespa and mister mushroom clearly

[fading shard]

I mean there's a 10% chance of that being the case

[near jasper]

99% of gamblers quit right before they guess the plot

[twin dragon]

2 of the same series btw

[whole holly]

i don't understand why Radiance is not Pale Being, i guess she has little relation to soul and has yellow/golden eyes, but she is all about devotion or destruction

[whole holly]

i know,btw

[foggy fractal]

tc is creatively bankrupt we all know ts!

[twin dragon]

Pk isnt btw

[whole holly]

??

[twin dragon]

for me its 50/50

the callbacks and not introducing too much clutter into the universe is neat but

[near jasper]

Shes from Peru so she cant be considered white (pale)

[whole holly]

pretty pale to me

[craggy smelt]

I think she is, personally - with the silksong lore that shows pale beings are a varied caste, I think there's a case to be made for including her
it's true no one explicitly points at her and says 'Radiance is a pale being', but I don't think you need something that stark to come to a reasonable conclusion

[twin dragon]

they js reuse some stuff very obviously

without giving it the spin that makes it good

[foggy fractal]

pale being = white
radiance = yellow
therefore radiance =/ pale being 🤔

[twin dragon]

like the void for example

[twin dragon]

Iirc she's not related to soul

[craggy smelt]

she got the same pointy legs as Silk

proof positive right there

[whole holly]

she isn't yellow, only her eyes are, GMS has black face, white lady has grey eyes

Palestag is Pale for higher being's sake

[fading shard]

he's saying the pale king isn't about devotion or destruction

[near jasper]

Radiance is pale she just hasnt had a bath in a few years so shes yellowed

[whole holly]

aahh, yea, i interpreted that as PK isn't Pale Being

[sick tinsel]

genuinly how did the pale king pull WL

[craggy smelt]

her powers are more Essence, but there's a lot of overlap in those - other higher beings are also shown to have Essence powers, including PK and WL
and she created an entire race from her dreams, which is making Soul - it's at least as impressive a Soul-related feat as anything, say, White Lady does

[near jasper]

Money

[whole holly]

Tan Being?

[twin dragon]

Yeah but not like explicitely

and she's like yellow yk

[whole holly]

is she really yellow

[foggy fractal]

I mean theres also radiance never being refered to as pale and the others have
actually is radiance refered to as pale

[craggy smelt]

she's slightly yellow-ish from the bright light around her

[sick tinsel]

guess WL is a gold digger

[craggy smelt]

but like Silk has got gold bindings and black skin and she's still pale

[near jasper]

Ig radiance's aura Is also maybe yellower

[whole holly]

White Lady has pink essence color too, is she pink?

[foggy fractal]

pink being

🤔

[craggy smelt]

a rare pink being

[near jasper]

Pale beings inc fired radiance because She didnt meet the land claimed quota

[craggy smelt]

it's pinkish tinged, ig? but WL is also explicitly called a pale being - pale mother, grouped with PK as 'pale beings', etc.

[twin dragon]

ye but direct soul correlation and WHITE

[foggy fractal]

yeah no debate there

[whole holly]

oh please she made kingsoul from his relationship with PK, also Soul relation may not be inherent to Pale Beings or Radiance could not as easily demonstrate Soul Connection due to being sealed in dream world, but she created life that requires soul

[sick tinsel]

whats the topic

[kindred ingot]

same question

[near jasper]

Is radiance pale

[kindred ingot]

nope

[sick tinsel]

probably no

[kindred ingot]

no Soul correlation

that's thing's all Essence

[twin dragon]

Aren't like the moths stated to be created of essence

[sick tinsel]

this makes sense

[craggy smelt]

it's true we're never explicitly told that Soul-related powers is a requirement, it's just that a lot of confirmed pale beings have them
but we don't know that Radiance doesn't have Soul powers, we just see no evidence of them with her being the dream realm
like I said, a lot of pale beings also have Essence powers

[twin dragon]

and they somehow live

[craggy smelt]

Essence being turned into Soul is shown in the first game in a couple of ways

there's a definite overlap in those powers

[near jasper]

I mean the one we fight does give soul when we hit them (markoth)

[whole holly]

doesn't mean they don't have soul, even spirits have soul, and markoth who is both a moth and a dream warrior

[sick tinsel]

can you give examples please

[craggy smelt]

it may be that pale beings have such tremendous Soul power because they also have Essence power

[sick tinsel]

aside from white palace

since its a dream realm

not some pale king power

[craggy smelt]

of pale beings have dream powers?

[twin dragon]

i'd say vice versa

[lapis creek]

he took the palace with him when he fled

[craggy smelt]

White Palace is the actual palace from the waking world - Pale King moved it into the dream realm
that alone shows he has dream powers

the Godhome Pantheon chamber with White Lady also shows her having a presence in the dream realm, even though she's evading being attuned

[kindred ingot]

Pale King sent the entire White Palace into the Dream Realm
Pale King affects the minds of bugs, which are made of Essence
both Pale King and White Lady have their own Essence colors in Godhome

[sick tinsel]

thats just how the godseeker sees her

[near jasper]

Gms has nothing because shes a bum™

[sick tinsel]

no ?

[craggy smelt]

and Silk's mind-control powers with the Haunting are considered to be something related to minds/dreams/etc. even thought it takes the form of threads rather than dream catchers
it overtakes the will of bugs and binds their minds together

[kindred ingot]

Godseeker lives in the Dream Realm, the fact she can sense the Essence in White Lady means White Lady has Essence

[whole holly]

we don't see essence in silksong, plus GMS hate is getting tired

[near jasper]

She does also get worshipped via the needolin which works very similarly to the dream nail

[sick tinsel]

i thoughts thats like particles that just exist because the godseeker is dreaming

[craggy smelt]

the particles change color based on the higher being she's trying to attune with - they're green for Unn for ex.

[kindred ingot]

they're specifically white Essence particles, meaning that they're being affected by White Lady

[sick tinsel]

fair

[kindred ingot]

I think Essence powers is a requirement for being a Higher Being, and Soul powers is a requirement for being a Pale Being
and so, a Pale Higher Being would have both Essence and Soul powers

[sick tinsel]

i always thought they are transparent and they represent the biome colors

[craggy smelt]

WL can also seemingly speak to Hornet through her memory in the present, which is pretty neat - could constitute some dream-realm power

[sick tinsel]

i also thought that was just a memory

[whole holly]

i do believe that memories are dream-related as well as nightmares

[lapis creek]

idk if thats whats going on there

[sick tinsel]

damn didnt know WL is that tuff

[kindred ingot]

and Void powers is a requirement for... uh... idk

Void has nothing

[whole holly]

she created soul bindings for her

[sick tinsel]

arent nightmares also dreams ?

just bad ones

[whole holly]

yea

[craggy smelt]

i think 'dream' is synonymous with Essence, which encompasses most mind stuff - memories, emotions, etc.

[lapis creek]

i feel like wl's awareness in red memory is maybe similar to hornet's awareness in godhome

[kindred ingot]

considering memories are made of Silk, that implies Silk has a connection with Essence, and therefore GMS has Essence powers and my theory is proven right

[craggy smelt]

even called wishes by Seer at some point

[whole holly]

i mean yea

[sick tinsel]

makes sense

[lapis creek]

where her mind is just innately so powerful that she can tell what's going on rather than just being a part of the dream

[sick tinsel]

back 2 main topic radiance isnt really pale

[kindred ingot]

yeah not at all

she's all essence and no soul

[craggy smelt]

I believe

[whole holly]

dream being space between body and soul, plus seer referring to essence/dreams as memories and conflating the two

[sick tinsel]

all pale beings are higher beings but not all higher beings are pale

[kindred ingot]

Palestag:

[whole holly]

i don't think so, i think she has soul powers

[sick tinsel]

j

[near jasper]

Palestag is verdania propaganda smh

[craggy smelt]

what are white lady's soul powers

[kindred ingot]

she never uses soul powers

[whole holly]

they aren't pale being, they are just stag touched pale

[whole holly]

creating life probably is one

[whole holly]

soul bindings, kingsoul i guess

[sick tinsel]

pale beings cant create life as the game suggests

[lapis creek]

she is half of kingsoul

[sick tinsel]

they can elevate it

[lapis creek]

thats a pretty big thing

[whole holly]

Lace, Vessels, Phantom?

[lapis creek]

but also yeah she may be responsible for the extreme growth in qg

[craggy smelt]

did she make half of it, or did the King make it and she just holds on to half?
she refers to it as 'the soul of my beloved Wyrm'

[sick tinsel]

technically vessels are offspring

not what i mean

[kindred ingot]

they're still Pale

[sick tinsel]

but for laceand phantom idk really

[lapis creek]

well it's produced from the union between two higher beings

[whole holly]

even then there is still Lace and Phatom

[kindred ingot]

Unn also creates life and she is obviously not Pale

[near jasper]

Yes

[whole holly]

i mean in rudimentary sense, they are as pale as radiance visually

[kindred ingot]

they have Soul powers

[whole holly]

you asked for soul powers not pale being powers

[near jasper]

And nmh

[foggy stratus]

More like a light mint color.

[whole holly]

teleporting? radiance does that too

[kindred ingot]

creating life isn't exclusive to soul

[lapis creek]

i also dont remember her saying this

[whole holly]

all life has soul

[kindred ingot]

sometimes, two things can do the same thing without being the same thing and that's okay

[foggy stratus]

All living beings excluding the odd Void construct needs Soul to live.

[lapis creek]

are we talking about this

[craggy smelt]

full line is

Ahh! So it bears our once-fractured soul, now complete. Such strength, such resolve, such dedication! Is it more than simply a Vessel? I almost feel like I'm once again in the presence of my beloved Wyrm.
she does say 'our' soul though, so maybe

[whole holly]

Palestag's teleportation is vague because they are myth made real

[kindred ingot]

well, they are for sure Pale

"touched Pale" means they're Pale

...

[foggy stratus]

More like a light mint tbh.

[near jasper]

And ig those vines the infection makes

[lapis creek]

i think she makes the reference to pk because previously she didnt have pk's part of the charm

[kindred ingot]

actually I have no idea of what that means

[whole holly]

it could just mean touched by pale being in literal sense

[kindred ingot]

okay which one

[craggy smelt]

'touched pale' makes me think that they might be, like, blessed by the power of a pale being
rather than being one themselves

like maybe pale beings can impart power into something

maybe that's how you get pale ore, pale oil, etc.

[whole holly]

unintroduced one, probably

[near jasper]

Me

[lapis creek]

if her side of it were just a gift from him, it wouldn't really be as significant of a reminder of pk to see it assembled

[kindred ingot]

isn't Pale Oil from a slug

[craggy smelt]

the slug touched pale!

[whole holly]

any one of them

[foggy stratus]

"Bile gland of a rare sylphean slug. Talented pinmasters can use the glistening liquid within to improve a blade's sharpness." Its fuckibg bile. Slug touched bile!

[near jasper]

Water

[kindred ingot]

what's a sylphean slug

[craggy smelt]

'sylph' is also a term used in 'Sylphsong', the ability you get from Eva that produces infinite Soul/Silk

so that's interesting

[whole holly]

that's not a sylph

[craggy smelt]

slugsong

[near jasper]

And salubra is also a slug with infinite soul shit

[whole holly]

Salubra is slug who appears as sylph and produces infinite soul

[kindred ingot]

ok so sylphean slugs are probably pale

[craggy smelt]

holy shit, you're right!

[near jasper]

Thanks I try

[kindred ingot]

Salubra is a slug?

[craggy smelt]

what's up with the slugs in this world

their power is beyond imagining