sk-lore

[foggy stratus]

Well he could enter the Dream Realm, but the issue becomes the inability to pin her down and kill her.

[fading shard]

the knight was very lucky to have every right circumstance to fight her

[sinful nimbus]

This a dumb thing to get mad about but Teto fans ruined the far superior baby version

Its just not as funny idk partly cuz I'm not in the fandom but it became the far more popular version

[fading shard]

he could create his own subspace in the dream realm, dedicated by his own essence and area yes, but he didn't have the capability of travelling to it as he pleased

[sinful nimbus]

gross...

[sinful nimbus]

beautiful

now that's comedy

[fading shard]

people keep mentioning that, but he can't just show up where the radiance is he doesn't have that capability

[sick tinsel]

tbf even the knight won against radiance with luck

[fading shard]

the only reason the knight was capable of pinpointing and fighting the radiance was because she was sealed in the hollow knight if not for that it wouldn't be able to even locate her

[sick tinsel]

if the void wasent on his side what wouldve possibly happned

[fading shard]

the knight commands the void at that point shadax

it literally becomes the lord of shades and has the void unified under it's will

and we canonically get multiple statements confirming the knight get's a GIGANTIC power boost from it that even the masters would be impressed and that the knight is more complete and different like the masters (who are top 5 strongest characters in the universe)

[limpid summit]

Wdym

To the knight?

[foggy fractal]

do we think tk will stay top 1

[twin dragon]

ahh

powerscaling

my favourite

[sick tinsel]

yes i know

[limpid summit]

Well we’re able to beat her down and get her on the defensive

[fading shard]

also apple egg I have definitive proof of in game dialogue calling gods higher beings

[limpid summit]

But to encase her in void we have to dispel her aura

[sick tinsel]

but what if the knight fought the radiance without having that control

[limpid summit]

Without VH she’d just get it back and blast us

[sick tinsel]

the radiance wouldve won

[limpid summit]

We couldn’t kill her without VH

[fading shard]

shadax that's like asking what if the pale king didn't have seal magic capabilities

[twin dragon]

pk doesnt

he raw dogs you with his fists

[sick tinsel]

what ?

[twin dragon]

pk is not having your shit he's gonna kick it out of you

[fading shard]

I was trying to make an example that you're just asking what if character blank wouldn't have a ability that's in their toolkit

nubbies right the pk never had magical powers, he just brawled it out

he was the colloseum of fools champion by using his damn hands

[fading shard]

turns out that in the hunter's journal gms is called a higher being in the "team cherry way"

[sinful nimbus]

upscale sharpe as much as possible

[covert night]

my top 10 fav images

[fading shard]

as in the way we use the term higher beings

[fading shard]

we got the steel masters who are compared to the knight with void heart and who from what we know are FAR, FAR stronger then any character we've seen other then the knight as the lord of shades

[sick tinsel]

maybe they are js so glazed

[limpid summit]

Yeah interesting right

[fading shard]

so until we get more info I'd say the knight is tied for first place with the steel masters

[fading shard]

Okay I feel as though I should double check that the way I went about saying things did not frustrate or upset you

because I by no means desire to upset, frustrate, or annoy anybody apple egg so if I hypothetically did I'm sorry (ik this unprompted but I'd prefer to be safe then sorry)

[sick tinsel]

i dont think so

[limpid summit]

What

Oh wait

Did that sound sarcastic

[sick tinsel]

they showed interest when the knight got the void heart

[limpid summit]

My bad ab no need to apologize

[fading shard]

yes

[sick tinsel]

but i dont think they are on the same level

[limpid summit]

No I was being frank

It’s interesting that they had Hornet outright say it

First time I saw it I was like eh this sort of breaks immersion

But it makes sense

[foggy fractal]

I don't think we know enough about steel masters to say

how much do we know about them anyways

the voidheart dialogue

the compression thing

what else

[fading shard]

enough to know their at the very least the second strongest characters in the universe

[fading shard]

the knight literally get's compared to them by jinn

[sick tinsel]

i believe this gotta be the radiance tbh

[fading shard]

going from calling the knight inferior to different and more complete like the masters, no matter the way you interpret it, it still speaks volumes for the masters

[fading shard]

zi literally states they call the fates of those that defied the masters especially those higher, I'd say that's a good enough power statement

or the fact that the lowest underlings of the steel society can call upon void, or that the masters have a long gaze as hornet states that has their lowest citizens observe and watch over many different lands and kingdoms just to see them collapse

[sick tinsel]

i just checked the dialogue and it probably hints that the masters has a little control over the void

[sinful nimbus]

PK was second in the verse

[fading shard]

or maybe the fact that hornet knows of the masters and them being a threat

[sinful nimbus]

DLC will probably reveal that Sharpe killed him though

[foggy fractal]

w sharpe

[sinful nimbus]

wym

[sick tinsel]

hold on

[fading shard]

with respect jinn talks about the knight being worse and inferior and then goes about saying that they misjudged the knight and that it's more complete, I feel as though that's a power statement not about void

[sick tinsel]

"Jinn misjudged... The It is not inferior. Perhaps... different? Different to Jinn. More complete? Different... like masters? "

[fading shard]

steel masters/the knight first place pale king and radiance argued to be in second

[sinful nimbus]

could mean they're just higher beings idk

[sick tinsel]

radiance is surely stronger than the PK

[sinful nimbus]

they do like straight up kill you if you use void so it'd be a bit awkward if they used it themselves imo

[fading shard]

shadax that dialogue is rather clear to be about power, not void, other dialogue from jinn showcases that they know the knight is not of normal bug

[sinful nimbus]

We barely know anything about the masters tho

[foggy fractal]

yeah

[fading shard]

you do realize the first lights aura is compared to the pale kings light right?

[foggy fractal]

they have potential tho

[sick tinsel]

yes but the radiance infected the minds of hallownest in her weakest

if the pale king beacon was that strong the radiance would have never the ability to do that

[fading shard]

Mates I feel as though when we go about guys that casually kill higher beings and are known by hornet, and get stated to be the most far reaching group ever, that you can place them close to the knight

[fading shard]

he was so powerful it hurt to look at him shadax

and the moths literally preferred his light over hers

[sinful nimbus]

Its not known that they casually kill higher beings and its true that they have a lot of influence but idk if that makes them the second strongest in the verse

[fading shard]

he also created such powerful seals that you needed a one of a kind artifact that go through them

[sick tinsel]

it is said so

not confirmed in game

[fading shard]

star "recall the fate of those defied the masters, including you higher especially you higher"

[fading shard]

everything about him is said shadax

[sick tinsel]

he was probably so glazed

hes a king

[foggy fractal]

I mean are we to believe that hornet is a higher being

[sick tinsel]

what would u expect

[fading shard]

it's said he has foresight, it's said he has light capabilities, do we see it for ourselves no

[limpid summit]

I don’t disagree but is HK capable of writing intriguing villains with a large sphere of influence without being tied to absurd levels of physical might

Probably not

[foggy fractal]

w team cherry

[fading shard]

the game doesn't imply that the statement was false though?

[sick tinsel]

not right but also not wrong

[sinful nimbus]

idk if higher is supposed to mean higher being it could also just refer to bugs with free will

[fading shard]

the game consistently talks about him being powerful, we never once get any disproval to that, and we literally see that his lingering magic is some of the strongest that we've seen

[sinful nimbus]

could've stopped after intriguing villains

[sick tinsel]

if someone was actually radiant in visage its the WL

[foggy fractal]

truth nuke!

[limpid summit]

HK villains are all woke and have feelings and reasons that they’re evil

We need unapologetic bug villains that eat maggots

[sick tinsel]

im evil because i lost throne

[limpid summit]

This

[fading shard]

I'd agree if not for the fact zi is talking about hornet, and team cherry KNOWS that the community links gods and higher a lot, and using it for hornet in specific makes it far more implied to be for higher beings instead of free will

[limpid summit]

That’s the whole thing with jinns dialogue the steelhearts are limited in their ability to process that

[limpid summit]

That’s true but higher isn’t said in a non godly context in Silksong because HK was trying to tell a different story with its uses of higher

And here Zi is presumably touching on the same things as Jinn

Harkening back to that definition

[fading shard]

okay here's the thing I think you both aren't considering, team cherry knows how the community is when it comes to the term "higher" and highe being" and the fact that they used such a specific term for HORNET

[sinful nimbus]

AC use the word in a non god def

[foggy fractal]

I don't think anyone besides tc themselves are able to say what tc is thinking

[fading shard]

But jinn doesn't use the term higher in hollow knight

[sinful nimbus]

Its also just a real word with real meaning

I wouldn't be surprised if they went the god route tho

[fading shard]

and hornet in specific getting called higher of all things is very specific and team cherry would know very well that a lot of people would interpret that as higher beings

[limpid summit]

Yeah Andy is right

[fading shard]

they literally could have gone with especially of you free

or any other word apple egg

[limpid summit]

I feel like it’s always better to view statements in context rather than author intention

“You are free of blemishes”

TC probably wrote that and said okay players are going to take it at face value

Who knows if they meant it or not

[sinful nimbus]

I mean WL's character is being in denial about hallownest's ruin tbf

[sick tinsel]

W WL

[limpid summit]

I like how WL has both W and L in it so both roll off the tongue

[sick tinsel]

i wonder if wl returned to the throne after the game events

[fading shard]

okay please tell me what's more realistic the guys who are set up for both games, known very well by hornet, said to be the most FAR reaching faction that we know of, said to be more complete and different like the knight with voidheart, painted in a way that's supposed to genuinely intimidate us, and refer to them as these beings far stronger then anything we've seen before having the term 'higher" refer to those of higher beings or "higher" in the sense of free thought

team cherry hasn't been afraid of adding these crazy primordial forces before, just look at the everbloom

And again they use the term of "higher" for HORNET a character with higher blood

[limpid summit]

You make a convincing argument actually

I don’t doubt intention has changed

Especially with all the PB glaze

But personally like

[sinful nimbus]

"yo they turn people into robots" is intimidating and dastardly

[limpid summit]

I would rather adhere to more consistent steel views rather than powercliff the masters into HB differs

At least until the dlc comes out and I’m proven wrong

[spark valve]

they could add a whole new thing to the universe, you got infections and grey goos

oh wait that would just be another infection

[sick tinsel]

yes

[spark valve]

does the c in tc stand for creatively bankrupt

[foggy fractal]

I've withdrawn myself from expecting anything from tc because last time I did that I thought there would be no void in silksong and look where that ended up

[foggy fractal]

yes

now what does t stand for

🤔

[fading shard]

?

[limpid summit]

HBs and PBs seem a little less enigmatic

[fading shard]

wdym by I don't doubt the intetion being changed and pb glaze

[limpid summit]

Different themes and writing

[sick tinsel]

tuk

[sinful nimbus]

Woah lets not get crazy. The game had so much in it. And all of these pieces need polish, and polish takes time.

[spark valve]

The less these gruesome bugs breed, the better.

[sick tinsel]

bug racism

[fading shard]

?

[covert flame]

If only they were able to breed out the spines

[edgy nebula]

Their plight elicits no sympathy from me.

[foggy stratus]

Only a fool thinks they can fashion the Void to do their bidding.

[edgy nebula]

It is a difficult thing to explain simply...

[tawdry flare]

I would very much like to feel their soft fur, if only they weren’t so hostile

[covert night]

do i almost feel fear

[near jasper]

"Its face is a drill..."-The Hunter 2026

[marble oasis]

The

[autumn umbra]

why didn't you want Void in SS

[foggy stratus]

I'm in a similar boat due to them making Three Queens canon.

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me a random enemy.

[sinful nimbus]

Have you rewritten the wingmould entry yet

I mean wingsmould

[foggy stratus]

Wasn't really intending to do it, but I can rewrite it so Hornet isnt slandering the Pale King.

[sinful nimbus]

make her glaze PK instead ofc

a SPLENDID construct from my fathers ETERNAL domain. only a GENIUS could think of using VOID, the power opposed, to do his bidding.

[foggy stratus]

"An experimental construct from my father's fallen domain. How one could think to use the Void for such a task, I do not know. But my father always was quite the unknowable one."-The Silksong

[sinful nimbus]

oh ig hornet wouldn't write it would she

Hunter would just be recalling a random fact he heard about wyrms or something

[stray grove]

Hunter probably doesn’t know anything about Wyrms

[sinful nimbus]

He could've heard a fairytale or read something cmon man

[foggy stratus]

Alternatively
"I've seen some odd shells littered around the deeper reaches of Hallownest. Metalic and seemingly dismembered. An odd black liquid i now know as the Void stained the insides. I still wonder what they were..."-The Hunter

[hollow reef]

Hello

[near jasper]

Hi

[stable violet]

ola

[hollow reef]

ola

[foggy stratus]

Guten tag.

[hollow reef]

hablas español

[stable violet]

no

Portuguese

lol

[hollow reef]

a, pues se un poco de portuguese

[stable violet]

boa, but anyways we probably should be talking in english now and stay on topic lol

[hollow reef]

I'm new to this server

[foggy stratus]

Hi there, new to this server, I'm Horf.

[stray grove]

OLD:

False fly with a rune etched shell. A tortured mix of soul and void is caged within.

A crude construct of my father's fallen domain. Only a fool believes that void can be fashioned to do their bidding

NEW:

An elaborate airborne construct, its steel casing etched with ancient runes. Within it resides a striking balance of Soul and Void intertwined, somehow coexisting in perfect harmony.

To bend the Void to one’s will is deemed an impossible task, yet the great Wyrms have never been known to take kindly to nature’s constraints. Perhaps it is hubris that drove them to such lengths - but no matter how great the cost of his legacy, my father’s formidable intellect gave rise to wonders few could even imagine.

@sinful nimbus did I cook or did I cook

Bit long I guess but there are longer entries

I had to slip in a cheeky MM, nature, and no cost too great reference

[foggy stratus]

Holy shit.

[sinful nimbus]

Wyrms defying nature is tuff

ts the fanservice we deserved

[foggy stratus]

And I thought I cook when doing these rewrites.

Goddamn.

I'd probably just swap out the description meta text for the og Hollow Knight one tho.

[stray grove]

Nah runes are tuff and I slipped a MM reference in there

Wingmoulds are prototype vessels after all

Tortured mix 🤪

[foggy stratus]

They feel more like prototypes for the Kingsmould tbh.

[stray grove]

Which are proto Vessels

Moulds are like a proof of concept thing

[foggy stratus]

They just don't feel similar enough to be prototypes to me.

[stray grove]

Well that’s two for two time to find another PK reference to rewrite

[stray grove]

They are essentially the same thing

Vessels are imprinted Void Moulds are proof Void could be imprinted

They’re a result of PK’s research that all went towards the ultimate goal of making the Vessels

[acoustic imp]

pk starstorm

[sinful nimbus]

pale shadow 🗣️

could they have put striders in silksong by having Hornet pull herself around with weaverlings like Rakna Kadaki

hire me

[acoustic imp]

i don't know earthbound stuff i played a deltarune fangame with that reference but i know nothing of earthbound/mother

[foggy stratus]

Kingsmoulds are Void molded into a shape then a shell is placed around it. The Vessels are corpses tossed into the Abyss which the Void then filled. PK didnt make them in a way that could really allow for prototypes like the moulds.

[stray grove]

As I said they’re a proof of concept

[spark valve]

they function on similar principles

kingsmoulds could've been deliberate precursors to the vessels they could've also been things he developed before or after and just happened to use the same properties

[stable violet]

hornet disliking pk really just feels like she has some sort of pent up frustration clouding her, at least thats what it felt like reading the wingmould entry

[acoustic imp]

"dad why weren't you there for me"

[stray grove]

The reason the former is the preferred explanation is because there’s no reason to assume PK had ever interacted with the Void prior to researching it with the intention of arriving at a solution for the infection, in which case anything that resulted from his research was essentially a precursor to the Vessel project
The Moulds are evidence of imprinting which is the essential principle on which Vessels function and it makes more logical sense for PK to have had a proof of concept for that rather than going straight to the Vessel Project, I mean it’s not like Wingsmoulds serve ANY apparent purpose and while Kingsmoulds could reasonably have been made afterwards it’s not like they do anything that important either

[forest mesa]

how i can take role of voice chat ??

[spark valve]

sure but it's not like you can totally rule out the possibility that he was at least interested in void before needing vessels

[sinful nimbus]

making servants when he can teleport stuff 🤦‍♀️

[sinful nimbus]

150 messages

[stray grove]

Kingsmoulds are cool

You can have both

Also PK had a lot of servants

[spark valve]

why didn't he put teleportation engines on the kingsmoulds

[sinful nimbus]

they're decorative

[stray grove]

So are the Kingsmoulds

[sinful nimbus]

if sharpe tried to jump him he could just send him to the dream realm

[stray grove]

They represent his authority and more specifically his power over the Void they’re not like actual bodyguards he obviously didn’t need those

But they are also still pretty effective for that they’re strong as hell

[forest mesa]

ty sis

[sinful nimbus]

why did they describe xero's death as an execution when he probably just got boomeranged

[stray grove]

He was probably executed publicly

[sinful nimbus]

that's not ethical

[spark valve]

he was infected

[stray grove]

I don’t know if Kingsmoulds existed back when Xero attached PK

[acoustic imp]

he didn't accept PK starstorm

[sinful nimbus]

why tf are they holding public executions for the infected bro

[stray grove]

He was also possibly Patient Xero

[sinful nimbus]

that's disrespectful to the victims

[spark valve]

nah

[stray grove]

Idk it’s described as an execution

[spark valve]

infection existed before he got infected

rad used it against him, in his dreams he was fighting the infection

[acoustic imp]

infection existed before the radiance existed

[spark valve]

it did not

[acoustic imp]

after all, cavemen did get sick!

they didn't all die of blood loss

[stray grove]

What I mean is he might’ve been the first sapient bug to get infected or at least the first time someone who could get close to PK was infected in which case PK might’ve opted to investigate a bit and maybe tighten security rather than kill the guy on the spot

I don’t know why it would be called an execution if that were the case

[spark valve]

cuz he got killed by the state??

[stray grove]

PK might’ve tried to cover up the infection at first or something

Xero might’ve been the point where he had to address it

He probably didn’t want mass panic spreading among the populace also the first wave was probably pretty slow from what we’re told

[sinful nimbus]

TC who did not think of that

Its a fantasy kingdom they were just killing people

[stray grove]

The state probably didn’t kill people very often

[spark valve]

I mean even in the modern day if you try to kill a politician their bodyguards might just shoot you

[sinful nimbus]

do we call that an execution

[spark valve]

sure

[stray grove]

I don’t know if PK even had bodyguards at that point

[spark valve]

I'm not gonna make real world comparisons to things called executions because that would be unhinged

it's also on a gravestone they wouldn't say "smushed by hegemol"

[stray grove]

I think you could genuinely just like walk into WP back in the day or maybe Xero had connections or smth

If it was difficult to get an audience with PK then Xero would never have been in a position where he could attack him

Unless he was on his morning walk

[spark valve]

he could've like attacked the knights or whatever

turning his blades against the king could also mean figuratively

[stray grove]

Uhm Xero was actually a member of the royal guard

[acoustic imp]

THE ROYAL GUARD

LIKE UNDYNE?!??!?

[stray grove]

fr tho I don’t see WP having had many actual soldiers back then

The 5GKs all had other duties so I can’t imagine they were there most of the time and Kingsmoulds weren’t a thing

Maybe there were a few palace guards but PK didn’t really have to worry about security

It would be funny if there were an automated defense system of some sort but alas

The better question is why didn’t PK foresee Xero attacking him or did he just let it happen

[spark valve]

I mean unless it caused collateral damage

may as well

[acoustic imp]

he's dead so he clearly lost foresight

somewhere along the way

[stray grove]

He’s dead because he wanted to be not because he was killed by something he couldn’t react to

[acoustic imp]

"Why are we here? Just to suffer?"

[stray grove]

I mean there were certainly limitations to his foresight but his personal safety was never the issue and those only became apparent when dealing with a substance that specifically fucks with magical sensory abilities

[void cargo]

what is the choir? why do the bugs of pharloom want to sing so much

[sinful nimbus]

The Citadel uses song magic to seal Grand Mother Silk

The choir doesn't know that though they're just acting out their religion (which was devised by the weavers)

[void cargo]

wait grandmother isnt the leader?

Ohhhh what I totally misinterpreted what was happening

[sinful nimbus]

She used to rule over like the weavers n stuff but they rebelled and sealed her and then the weavers themselves took over until their death, where the conductors started ruling in their place

[near jasper]

Gms is only leader because she is controlling the dead people who were in power

[sinful nimbus]

Eventually GMS started the haunting and she's kinda possessing everyone in Pharloom but not a conventional leader per se

[craggy smelt]

puppet mistress

[void cargo]

So the weavers weren't being captured and used but instead created the whole place

it seemed like whatever pharloom was came after the rule of the weavers who have old settlements all over the place

[sinful nimbus]

Back in the day they were rulers but now GMS is sending out squads to capture weavers for more silk (which she seems to have a limited supply of)

[potent arrow]

guys why did the pale king disappear

was he killed?

[craggy smelt]

we don't know how he died, but he did
that's why he disappeared

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah weavenests are beforehand

[potent arrow]

because all the soldiers around his throne were dead

even in the dreamrealm

[craggy smelt]

we don't know how they died either

[void cargo]

void was what I thought did him in

[potent arrow]

i think so too

[limpid summit]

Void probably wouldn’t have because he glowed

And he doesn’t have those void tears that people who died to void do

[sinful nimbus]

They're kinda like rebel bases, Atla devised traps and the song bells for example, Cindril decided to flee Pharloom altogether, Murglin was making weapons and Absolom and Karn were doing... something

[potent arrow]

maybe his power ran out?

[sinful nimbus]

Absolom was prolly studying void

Karn is a mystery

[craggy smelt]

there's a common interpretation that he just sort've gave up and withered away in despair
dying of grief

[void cargo]

Was it a rebellion against GMs or against other weavers?

[sinful nimbus]

GMS

[limpid summit]

Worming

[void cargo]

Ok ok 👍

[spark valve]

breeding worms... for some reason

[limpid summit]

Maybe they bred the ancient Bell Beasts

[craggy smelt]

"Karn, we're supposed to be fighting for our freedom."
"This is important. This means something"

[spark valve]

maybe but there's no real need to do that in a weavenest so

[limpid summit]

True

[potent arrow]

makes swnse

so basically the pale king died of dihpression

[spark valve]

probably

[craggy smelt]

he had a real bad time towards the end there

[potent arrow]

but why is he still portrayed dead in the dream realm

[spark valve]

because he

died

[craggy smelt]

that's actually him - he fled into the dream realm

[spark valve]

in the dream realm

[craggy smelt]

took the white palace with him

[potent arrow]

if he died in the dream realm then why did the dream tribes last say is the old king watching you

[spark valve]

she's wondering if it's the case

it's not, he's dead, she didn't know that

[craggy smelt]

not everyone knows/accepts that he's dead

[potent arrow]

but shes apparently from the dream realm too

[potent arrow]

i think thats the most logical

[blissful harbor]

that doesn’t mean she knows. all the things happening within it

[potent arrow]

but theres the lore at the end of the path of pain

something some kind of power has too keep the white palace together

[craggy smelt]

that's a memory that the Pale King sealed away

the seal of binding on it is to protect that memory

not the white palace as a whole

[potent arrow]

ohh

i also have another question

who is the lord fool guy

is he a wyrm?

[craggy smelt]

very probably not

just some guy

the fools are a big fan, for whatever reason

[potent arrow]

he has a cast off shell

js like the pale king

[craggy smelt]

no, that's just a big dead bug that they put the colosseum in

nothing suggests its like the pale king's old wyrm-self

[potent arrow]

hmm

that is true

[craggy smelt]

it's a pretty common theory, and the Fools are unusual, but the world is full of unusual situations that aren't explicitly related to wyrms

[exotic pendant]

the fools are real weird, they kinda just exist and do their own thing unconnected to the rest of hallownest

[potent arrow]

i guess

[exotic pendant]

like where are all these fools even coming from bruh

[craggy smelt]

all over, apparently

like Tiso

[exotic pendant]

yeah

did tiso mention how he know about the place again?

[craggy smelt]

just seems to be following rumours, iirc

[potent arrow]

what is a god?

what makes them higher beings

are they js forces of nature

or is there something higher?

[craggy smelt]

it's pretty nebulous
TC says that higher beings 'exist above all others'
whatever that means

[exotic pendant]

well, gods all share this thing of not only being powerful, but want connection to the lesser

[potent arrow]

imo there should be an all powerful presence

not js void

[exotic pendant]

there seems to be one simular to of that

whoever the child of steels are worshipping

[craggy smelt]

I wonder about them

[potent arrow]

i think thats not true too

because if they were all powerful

they wouldnt need help to not want order

maybe they were worshipping the shade lord?

[exotic pendant]

we can't say for sure, but they are the closest so far

[craggy smelt]

they're a unified group, which is pretty unusual - mostly higher beings seem to do their own thing
Hallownest was rare, to have two pale beings working together

[potent arrow]

it is a different entity from the hollow knight

[potent arrow]

yeah

[craggy smelt]

i wonder if the masters might not be higher beings, but a group of bugs who have figured out spells or knowledge that makes them powerful together

[exotic pendant]

that could be true

I didn't think about it that way ngl

[potent arrow]

it is true that the weaker they are the more they group together

but then i think that in the normal timeline they dont exist

they exist in the timeline where the knight has a steel soul

no foresight or pale abilities like the pale king

[craggy smelt]

we don't really know anything about them, we only see their servants

but as a group they can seemingly threaten even pale beings

[stray grove]

They exist in every timeline

[potent arrow]

how

[exotic pendant]

it could just be that when we're on steel soul, they cross our paths

not that they cease to exist

[potent arrow]

yes but i think in the normal timeline they may have been wiped out by the pale king

[craggy smelt]

steel soul mode is just a difficulty setting, they're a part of the world no matter the case

[sinful nimbus]

upscale

[stray grove]

Because that’s not how that works Steel Soul isn’t a completely seperate reality

[craggy smelt]

it's not a matter of different timelines

[stray grove]

No?

[sinful nimbus]

Anyway the artbook is written from the perspective of an in universe traveller and we see both Jinn and Jiji

[craggy smelt]

Confessor Jiji and Jinn both appear to the author of the Wanderer's Journal lorebook, you just don't see them both in-game because of gameplay

[exotic pendant]

wait, she saw both?

[potent arrow]

hmm maybe

[stray grove]

It’s a rotating chamber or something

[exotic pendant]

what was the context of her seeing em

[stray grove]

She walks into the cave and sees them

[exotic pendant]

so they were both in the caves at the time

[craggy smelt]

Jinn also references Jiji through her love of rancid eggs

[exotic pendant]

yeah

[potent arrow]

yeah

[exotic pendant]

I thought jiji left hallownest when jinn comes over though (

that's why we don't see her

guess me wrong

[craggy smelt]

it's just a gameplay thing, they don't address it anywhere

[potent arrow]

team cherry js loves to be vague

[exotic pendant]

can't lore without vague

[craggy smelt]

Jiji and Jinn likely have the same kind of thing going as Sula and Zi - a vassalhood or whatever you'd call it

[potent arrow]

yh

but i think that there must have been some sort of force guiding the hollow knight

[stray grove]

What do you mean

[potent arrow]

like the teacher fight

obviously the knight wouldnt have been able to beat monomon without quirrels help

and quirrel js happened to be there?

coincidence, i think not

[stray grove]

I mean Quirrel was also called back

So no not really a coincidence

[potent arrow]

but by who

[exotic pendant]

you mean like, what called quirrel to be there

[craggy smelt]

Monomon likely drew Quirrel back

[potent arrow]

yh

[stray grove]

By Monomon

[exotic pendant]

monomon wants the seal broken

as she said in the dream world

[potent arrow]

hmm

[craggy smelt]

the dreamers were aware things were not doing well with the seal
and they speculate on whether the Knight was called back by the Hollow Knight or the Radiance

[potent arrow]

things just turned out well for the knight

[exotic pendant]

I think it's THK

[potent arrow]

that part too

[stray grove]

That refers to it being called back to the kingdom

Once it gets there there’s nothing guiding it

[exotic pendant]

THK and monomon casually sending signals through abstract magic thousands of miles away:

[potent arrow]

i really wish the pale king hadnt died

[stray grove]

We’re repeatedly told it’s doing ts because it feels like it

[potent arrow]

fr

[stray grove]

Quirrel had Monomon’s magic mask and Vessels are implied to all be magically connected

[potent arrow]

that is true

[exotic pendant]

yeah

I guess the void goes all around but monomon just sent a REALLY far signal

[craggy smelt]

TK is motivated by instincts we don't really get much insight into
they aren't shown to remember anything other than the big moment of the Birthplace Memory when they recall their origins

[potent arrow]

ok now my last speculation is on lifeblood what is it? is there a higher lifeblood being and why is there that room in the abyss

[stray grove]

The mask

[exotic pendant]

yeah the mask and the body kinda, distant

[craggy smelt]

no idea, some weird stuff going on there

[stray grove]

But the mask is what enabled her to contact him she isn’t just throwing off a signal into the wastes

[craggy smelt]

hopefully we get some more delicious insights in the silksong DLC

[potent arrow]

cant wait

[exotic pendant]

I know, it;s just far

[craggy smelt]

holloworld wifi, mask gets a signal

[potent arrow]

if only the pale king had lived on a bit longer

[stray grove]

And did what exactly

[potent arrow]

in the dream realm

[stray grove]

PK had to die for the narrative to work

[potent arrow]

he could have taken them to the dream realm

the dead dreams

[stray grove]

And did what

[stray grove]

Taken who

The kingdom was dead

There was nothing to save

[potent arrow]

the dead dreams

[stray grove]

What?

[potent arrow]

his followers

[stray grove]

His followers who were dead?

[potent arrow]

he should have js done something at least

he js gave up

[stray grove]

He did do something

It didn’t work

Then he gave up

[potent arrow]

he had foresight

[stray grove]

Because there was nothing else to do

[craggy smelt]

could've seen his plan work out in the end sort of with TK beating Radiance
"I knew this would happen, I'm a genius!"

[stray grove]

Foresight doesn’t mean omniscience

[potent arrow]

hed have known it wouldnt work from the sight

[stray grove]

Also the whole point is that the fall of Hallownest was inevitable

[potent arrow]

the knight too had foresight

[potent arrow]

the poem of mr mushroom says that

[stray grove]

TK does not have foresight in a way that’s significant to the narrative lol

[stray grove]

It doesn’t mean that

Again he wasn’t omniscient

Having foresight doesn’t mean having perfect knowledge of every possible future outcome and we don’t know the mechanics of his

Void is also established to mess with magical sensory abilities

[potent arrow]

well comparing it to the knights hed js try a bunch of things before he got the right one

[potent arrow]

his pale light calms the void

[stray grove]

That’s just not how that works again TK doesn’t have foresight

[stray grove]

That is besides the point

The fact of the matter is PK’s foresight was not perfect and he failed in spite of having it

[potent arrow]

he has a diluted form iof foresight

[stray grove]

No? This is literally never implied

[potent arrow]

logically that has to be true

the Knight in Hollow Knight may possess a diluted form of the Pale King’s foresight. This potential ability is used to explain gameplay mechanics like "respawning" at benches, suggesting the Knight sees multiple future outcomes and selects one where they survive.

straight frm the hk subreddit

[stray grove]

It just is true the game literally tells us that

The HK sub is not a source

Respawning is a game mechanic

It’s not canon

[potent arrow]

hmm

[stray grove]

That there exists a headcanon that explains TK and Hornet’s respawn does not mean it has any significance to the narrative

[exotic pendant]

this is mostly speculative though
I mean there's nothing disproving the knight having foresight, same with hornet in skong

[stray grove]

That’s not reasoning

There’s nothing proving it either

[exotic pendant]

in the end we don't know

[potent arrow]

thats the beauty of the story

[sinful nimbus]

"Surely you had a hunch?" because she had foresight

Bravo

[stray grove]

It doesn’t matter whether we know or not if you’re going to make a claim about how PK’s foresight works you need more compelling evidence

[sinful nimbus]

I also had foresight on a first playthrough from spoilers

[potent arrow]

its js discussion/speculation

[sinful nimbus]

So its a nice meta narrative

[stray grove]

Narratively the entire point of PK’s foresight is that it was pointless so these discussions are largely a waste of time I find

Like who cares how it worked or what its limitations were the entire point is that it didn’t matter

[potent arrow]

what if the way it happened was truly the only way

[potent arrow]

i agree

that it didnt matter

[exotic pendant]

has either games mention how gods came to be

[stray grove]

No

[exotic pendant]

also, with what happened to the weaver decendents, some say they were consumed, some say put to service

I think with what lace said, they are more implied to be consumed

or just, killed in some way

"letting you live was my rebellion, she didn't get your power" or smth like that

[limpid summit]

Stand proud

You can cook

[lyric rose]

no mind to think (until proven false)

[edgy nebula]

unironically i could see this being a pun or a joke cause of her wyrm origins

[edgy nebula]

very very likely to be consumed

or binded, since when hornet binds a bug nothing is left of them, gms likely did the same

[exotic pendant]

is it likely that the molted skarrs were marked for outcast or molted because of outcast (grows molt because of not being cared for)

well, all the 3 molted ones does present a reason for being exiled

minus not being haunted that is

[exotic pendant]

gurr straight up murders a skarr guard for display, the little skarr stole the curvesickle

but for the vendor idk if this is accurate

someone said that because of his needolin dialogue, the vendor was exiled for loving the queen in a romantic way

I feel like it's kind of a stretch of an interpretation

[exotic pendant]

this is important to the theory that the reason the molted skarrs resist the haunting is because their exile gave them stronger will, not that they are exiled because of the haunting

[limpid summit]

That theory is likely true at least

But the mottled Skarr are probably just naturally mottled

Like a birthmark or something

[exotic pendant]

hmm, so exile from prejudice?

[limpid summit]

Yeah prolly

The haunted Skarr infight because Karm isn’t around to unite them

[fading shard]

I prefer this a lot more

Thisi s far better

[fading shard]

genuinely well done

[whole holly]

they have pale birthmarks and they are prejudiced, it seems

[hot lichen]

Craws are the magistrates of Pharloom?

[twin dragon]

Cooking but maybe a lil bit too long for an entry

Also remake slabflies entries that would be preferred

[foggy fractal]

speaking of
people defending slabfly journal entries is pretty much nonexistent now
at least in this channel

<@&283547423706447872>

scam message

man I was just saying in another server how there hasn't been any scam messages in this channel

😔

[whole holly]

people were defending it????

[foggy fractal]

maybe only one or two people
I think I've seen the defense of that its a character flaw come up a few times, which I mean ig it is?, but I severely doubt it was intentional on TC's part to make Hornet racist

and again its not like its ever addressed

[exotic pendant]

I feel like her uh, racism is just so that it covers the possible events of the slab

[whole holly]

i agree, they didn't really though it through, it can be triggering for some people, especially because of narrative used today, it is unwise and insensitive

[exotic pendant]

wait it's triggering? was I just not paying attention reading through the hunters journal

let me read it again

[whole holly]

"i would like to see them gone" or something like that

[foggy fractal]

if you mean that its supposed to convey her feelings if she got captured
firstly, those entries are still the same if you don't get captured, they shouldn't write something that would only make sense in one possible set of events when both are "canon" in the sense that one event isn't more official than the other
secondly, she acknowledges that they're born slaves, its not like she doesn't understand the cirumstance involving the slabflies

I think the consensus now is just that TC didn't check their writing enough, which given what they said about their own lore makes sense

[exotic pendant]

yeah I know it's also canon for her not being captured but like, I'm more so refering to the intent of TC writing it

they were like "yeah this can happen lets make hornet hate their guts"

[foggy fractal]

TC just can't stop fumbling

😔

[exotic pendant]

eh, maybe it's just me, I don't feel much after reading the entries

that's just my opinion though

[foggy fractal]

sea of sorrow needs to come out soon this channel is running out of things to argue over

[exotic pendant]

fr

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me a random enemy.

[echo vapor]

clover dancers

[foggy stratus]

"During my journies through this land I've found myself within what appears to be a long dead region with more life than any three regions of Pharloom combined. If only I were here during its life. I would relish the opportunity to hunt the beasts of this region."-The Hunter

[echo vapor]

ooh, thats neat

[civic elm]

How did the pilgrims send to kidnapped hornet survive the wasteland without a mask to think

Like they only had the citadle crest thing on their head

[foggy stratus]

Not every bug relies on the PK's beacon for a mind.

Or a mask.

[echo vapor]

they were basically tasked with finding the remaining weavers, as we can see in the cradle and i think thats what drive them to Hornet. Not every bug needs a mask or granted mind to actually be sentient

[foggy stratus]

Might have to do with the Silk in their shells.

[echo vapor]

im not too sure about this particular problem tho

since details on masks and minds are pretty vague

[civic elm]

But pilgrims of pharloom have been living the same life of only going up in pharloom, they have devolved to be the creatures we see them in the game. They cant possibly go outside of pharloom without a mask

[civic elm]

Oh ok thx

[foggy stratus]

Baseless assumption.

[civic elm]

How

[foggy stratus]

Also the ones sent to find Hornet technically arent Pilgrims anymore, they're members of the Chior.

[foggy stratus]

You're just assuming they need a mask to have a mind outside Pharloom.

[civic elm]

No i am assuming they are only above mindless creatures

They arent nowhere in the beings ladder

As they have been controled for ages

And is why I think gms was waking up

Generations of only following the path to sing a song they grew weaker

[civic elm]

Whats the difference

Members of the choir are pilgrims

[foggy stratus]

They're the same kind of bug as Tiso or Zote. "Pilgrim" isnt a kind of bug, its a life style chosen by bugs.

[exotic pendant]

well they're haunted

their will is replaced by of GMS

[echo vapor]

he lwk killed all of them for the love of the game 😭

[foggy stratus]

Its why you cease to be a pilgrim after joining the Chior.

[vast thunder]

they're called pilgrims cz theyre journeying to the citadel, a place of religious importance/devotion

if you've reached the place of religious importance then you are not a pilgrim anymore because you are not journeying to a place of religious importance you are already AT said place

[civic elm]

But they are still the same kind og bug

The same bug that spent countless generations

Doing the same exact thing

[fading shard]

sup horf

good seeing you mate

hope things are going well for you

[foggy stratus]

Again, "Pilgrim" isnt some different kind or bug separate from other bugs.

[foggy stratus]

Sup.

[fading shard]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hug-bff-best-friend-friend-gif-9512793

[fading shard]

so there's this guy in discussion chat trying to say that the pale king couldn't manipulate the dream realm

[civic elm]

I mean them thinking bugs of oharloom not conductors not architect nor vault people

[fading shard]

I think we both can agree that's not true right

[foggy stratus]

Which one?

[fading shard]

?

[fading shard]

the sk discussion

[civic elm]

Maybe the gms silk protected their minds onnthe journey

[echo vapor]

we dont truly know whats in the wasteland tho, aside from random bugs

[civic elm]

Not the waseland danger

[echo vapor]

maybe the harsh environment affects bugs' mind

[civic elm]

As it isnt dangerous

But bugs go back primal in the wasteland

Bugs without a mask

And that arent higherbeings

[foggy stratus]

Zote and Tiso.

[civic elm]

They have maaks

Masks

[foggy stratus]

No they don't

Zote sure as shit doesn't.

[civic elm]

They are born with it

Zote has his own identity

[foggy stratus]

That's called a shell and it wouldn't be magical.

[civic elm]

A mask is a persons identity

[foggy stratus]

If that's the case then Pilgrims are born with masks.

[civic elm]

Pilgrims are born in pharloom

Zote is completely different case also

His identity is unique

[foggy stratus]

Hes a common bug.

[civic elm]

It is the complete oposite of the hero identity

[civic elm]

And?

[foggy stratus]

Like the pilgrims are.

[civic elm]

He is an exception

He has an identity

He is so different than the other bugs

[foggy stratus]

So do pilgrims.

[civic elm]

No their identities arent as strong as zote

To replace the need for a mask

[foggy stratus]

At this point it feels like a whole Lotta.

[civic elm]

Have you seen how many names he have in the dream fight

[foggy stratus]

[foggy stratus]

That's Bretta's doing.

[civic elm]

He literally is the most expressive character in the entire series

[civic elm]

Yes because he talk 24/7

Sharing his identity

[foggy stratus]

Under that logic it would be Bretta.

[foggy stratus]

Hes a lying asshole.

[civic elm]

Yes and bretta is strong

Bretta was able to go to the wasteland

And was ablw to create her own dreamrealm

[foggy stratus]

She was so obsessive she made a dream.

[civic elm]

That is his identity

[foggy stratus]

Anyways I have to do schoolwork.

[civic elm]

And that is an identity

Good bye

See ya

Maybe it is just pale king propoganda

[foggy stratus]

Also it feels like youre just trying to arbitrarily separate Pilgrams from other common bugs for no reason. Anyways, bye.

[fading shard]

wish you well mate

[spiral valley]

bro why did i have to kill lost garmond.

[fading shard]

no

it was an optional boss

for a momento

[low oracle]

"Optional" is when there is an alternate choice, nothing is optional when it's required for 100% (and I mean the game, not the trophy). NKG is optional for example, until P5 at least. So is anything Zote related.
Apart from that, Garmond would have died either way. Any mortal bug struck by the void is already doomed from the very beginning of it happening. The entire reason the void uses the silken strings to come upon bugs is for the purpose of consuming their soul.
Even with the Sister of the Void ending occurring, Garmond would still perish. While the void is stopped from spreading, those it has already taken are going to be dead if they not already are.

[spiral valley]

but it was a quest

[foggy stratus]

Conductor Mizello was the one being operated on right?

If so, was the dude who ended up killing him executed for the crime of fucking up a simple silk implantation?

[spark valve]

It’s not a simple surgery or without risk there are a bunch of records of failed procedures

[mortal birch]

Sk and hk were bf and gf (sk is non binary and pan) (hk is gay and boy) but then the king came and separated them (SOMONE FINISH THE LORE!)

[near jasper]

He got penitence by swallowing at the slab

[lyric rose]

If dream nail was a thing I would be able to canonize Gwourtney

[half night]

Guys

Any one here

[lyric rose]

https://tenor.com/view/hahaha-one-snapcube-sonic-the-hedgehog-gif-27436474

[half night]

How could I defeat the fore brothers boss

||they are unbitable||

[low oracle]

Magma Bell, also #sk-help

come back later with better gear if you're having trouble, idk

[half night]

I used every thing

Is they even die

[low oracle]

They die alright, are you at the end of Act2 progression-wise? 9 masks and all that?

[half night]

I killed grand mother silk 2 times 😄

[low oracle]

If you're having trouble try out Magma Bell, Multibinder, Injector Band for blue, Heavy Belt, Dice and Anklets for yellow and whatever you want for red.

[half night]

(9 masks all act 2 and 1 spools 3 silk hearts all 5 crest many tools unlocked every thing in act 2)

I will try ty for help

[low oracle]

There is another Act2 Crest just so you know, I assume you also have your needle at Hive level.

[twin dragon]

by doing WHAT

[whole holly]

What does it mean??

[twin dragon]

tel aviv

[whole holly]

glad to see you, server was down

[twin dragon]

discord was tweaking in general

[whole holly]

i don't get tel aviv joke

[twin dragon]

it has really nothing to do i js said it

for no reason

[whole holly]

yeah, but it seems political, i did get it but Slab = Tel aviv is not that funny of a joke

[whole holly]

Do you think swallowing is related to putrified ducts

[twin dragon]

It seemed to me like the implication seemed rather sexual

[twin dragon]

No it really is for no particular reason

[tawdry flare]

It didn’t also say “penitence by spitting” so I don’t get the implication

[foggy stratus]

The Citadel and Slab is filled with fucking FREAKS.

[empty scarab]

is greyroot a parody of the white lady

[acoustic imp]

grey lady

i see it

[foggy stratus]

Yeah prolly to an extent.

[gentle aspen]

?????

[empty scarab]

and zote is a parody of the knight...

with a nail forged in shellwood

y'all see where this is going

[gentle aspen]

No, zote is not related to greyroot

You are not the first person to assert this nor does this theory have any real merit

[empty scarab]

still funny

[foggy stratus]

False.

[empty scarab]

chill

[foggy stratus]

No.

[empty scarab]

hey.

are you threatening me now

c'mon

pull the trigger

do it

if you dare

[foggy stratus]

Alakablam.

[empty scarab]

ultrakill parry

[grave stream]

Is there anything that disproves my theory?
I beleive in SoS we will do something with plasmium that revives/revitalizes some part of Pharloom, whether it be the dead or something else,

"Ahh yes! So this miraculous substance intrigues you too! A wonder beyond wonders, miracle made material! Plasmium! A naturally occurring elixir with no equal! It heals wounds and strengthens shells! I suspect it can even defy death itself!" - Alchemist Zylotol

[acoustic imp]

team cherry might just not feel like it

[grave stream]

i sense forshadowing

[craggy smelt]

that sort of already happens in the Wormways

the environment starts off as dead, dusty tunnels

gets livlier later on

but like...

there's consequences

[grave stream]

Yeah that's kinda evidence but i know this theory can be disproven and i trust you guys to tell me how

I just think it would make a really cool act 4 or whatever is going on with SoS

[acoustic imp]

i don't get why people think there'll be an act four

[grave stream]

because we know SoS is at least partially about lifeblood

[acoustic imp]

a play has three acts

[craggy smelt]

yeah, but this is a video game

hurr

[grave stream]

plays can have more acts

3 is just common

anyway back to the theory

[near jasper]

An act 4 isnt happening because itll cause too many gameplay issues

[grave stream]

why

[craggy smelt]

Act IV - Steel
set it in another map, City of Steel

[near jasper]

What if you miss something

[near jasper]

Like garmonds memento

Or lugoli

Or unravelled

[craggy smelt]

if you miss something, then you miss something

[acoustic imp]

THAT'S THE BEAUTY! THEY BECOME LOST FROM ACT TWO TO THREE, AND PLASMIFIED FROM THREE TO FOUR!

[near jasper]

Plasmified unravelled

[grave stream]

well i mean an act 4 wouldn't neccesarily lock you out of something
they could always add a way back, like maybe a bellway in whatever new area they add

[near jasper]

It heals back to full every time it leaves to spawn enemies

[acoustic imp]

what if soul becomes a different form of infection like void and silk and infection and plasmium?

[grave stream]

I just think it would make a really cool way to fix pharloom, and if i'm not mistaken, the only way if we can perfect a cure using the heart of John Lifeblood or whatever significant lifeblood related deity or higher being or master in SoS

[craggy smelt]

then we leave this world for another

[acoustic imp]

alchemist xylotol will become alchemist xylotol the undying and help silksong to deplasmify stuff with the plasmium extractor (non-lethal version)

[grave stream]

be fr

[near jasper]

An act 4 would need to happen after act 3, which means the haunting is gone and so is everything in game you'd need it to acquire

[grave stream]

i present: act 3.5

[near jasper]

What

[craggy smelt]

it should be a separate game mode, like Godseeker
based on your save

[grave stream]

why couldn't you just go back and find the extra things?

if there are things you could miss like that then they would make it either neccesary or able to be acquired later

[near jasper]

Give me an explanation howd youd acquire garmonds memento if the haunting is gone

[grave stream]

inject em with plasmium and save him

this is all speculative

Obviously not the Plasmium Phial, something we would find in SoS that would be essentially refined plasmium

[near jasper]

How would unravelled work Without the haunting

[grave stream]

ravelled

[exotic pendant]

I feel like garmond's situation is simular to myla's, given he's kinda indeed her in silksong. Don't kill him, go cut the source in true ending, and maybe he snaps out of it

[near jasper]

There is void inside his body

He is 1000% dead

[grave stream]

I suspect it can even defy death itself!

[exotic pendant]

it's more likely he's dead for good

[grave stream]

no

i refuse

he will not die

i love his character

[exotic pendant]

well, it's speculative, just like myla

[grave stream]

i will jam plasmium into his veins until he wishes to die again

he will be immortal and he will like it

[near jasper]

Garmond appears in the pilgrim graveyard in bone bottom in act 4

[exotic pendant]

if TC gives me act 4 I will scream

and I don't mean that in a good way

[near jasper]

Herrah fight in act 4

No Vespa fight ever

[exotic pendant]

[grave stream]

okay all i'm saying is that i think zylotol or the work of his or the quotes of his will play a major role in act ≥3

[near jasper]

Yeah probably

[grave stream]

and i speculate specifically the line "I suspect it can even defy death itself!" will play __ a__ role in act ≥3

[foggy stratus]

I mean we already see it with his assistant.

[grave stream]

that's called evidence

[near jasper]

Hornet kills the lifeblood hb and a new one starts forming from xylotol's body

[foggy stratus]

[grave stream]

i mean if you know, witnessing a death (possibly caused by yourself) of a hb drops something plot relevant like ||Kingsoul half|| then maybe the lifeblood guy will drop Giga Lifeblood which we could refine

[near jasper]

My cat once stabbed me in the eyelid

[near jasper]

Killing gms gave a great reward huh?

[grave stream]

dopamine

[near jasper]

[grave stream]

also before you say ||radiance|| that gives the plot relevance of you know, ||ending the infection||

[near jasper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1402002414630076607/1497049520461058098/rapidsave.com_68zzy6dhjvug1.gif

Wait we dont even kill a higher being to get the kingsoul half he's already dead 😭

[acoustic imp]

lifesoul half

[grave stream]

i never said kill

[near jasper]

I dont think you can witness a death years after It happened either my man

[acoustic imp]

witness a dead man

[grave stream]

inspect a cadaver of a fallen higher being

[near jasper]

Grave rob a strong old person

[grave stream]

grammar core

[grave stream]

my favorite person, unn

[near jasper]

Unn is cool

[grave stream]

unn backwards is nnu which ciphered is 14 14 21 and if you add all of those numbers together you get 49 and 49 is 7^2 and two sevens ciphered is GG so unn foreshadows the fact that hollow knight is a good game

[wanton musk]

Hornet is actually the gms

[lone folio]

Time travel

[rare walrus]

@night smelt

[wanton musk]

Nah, same person at the same time

[rare walrus]

@night smelt

Hornet is actually the gms

[wanton musk]

Except that gms is actually made of very small bell beasts

[rare walrus]

hornet sings the silksong

[wanton musk]

Not responding to your friend? How dare you

[wanton musk]

Hornet IS the silksong

[rare walrus]

He isnt responding

To my dms

[rare walrus]

nuh

[wanton musk]

Yes I am

[calm token]

huh

hornet is different from the silksong they are too different characters

This is clearly shown through the different hue of their cloaks

This is simple knowledge

[sick tinsel]

any idea why did the godseekers live in the dream realm

[frank dove]

So they fit better

[jagged sun]

Since most of them died, only leaving the living one, who stored the rest of them in her mind

[frank dove]

nuu backwards is uun which ciphered 14 21 21 and if you add all of those numbers together you get 56 and 56 7**8* and 7 and 8 ciphered is GH so nuu foreshadows the fact that silksong is a growth hormone

[sick tinsel]

[frank dove]

Yeah they were all locked up in a big cage

That big guy ate all the others but has bad digestion

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me a random enemy.

[fresh badger]

Hwurmp?

[foggy stratus]

From Silksong, not Hollow Knight.

[fresh badger]

If SS only thennnn, Dahlia

I think thats their name

Gahlia?

[foggy stratus]

Already did that one.

[fresh badger]

Shellwood Gnat?

[foggy stratus]

"A small, soft bug hiding its fragile body within a hollow piece of shellwood. At first I took it a coward for hiding, but upon the destruction of its makeshift armor it will still try to attack you, despite its certain death. An admirable act for an otherwise weak creature."-The Hunter

[dire lynx]

wraith

[fading shard]

oh hey friends

hope you all are doing good

[foggy stratus]

"Once I've ventured into an odd, confusing place near Sinners Road. Within those odd chambers of nonsense, I've seen odd, screeching creatures. I could dispel them with physical force, for a time. But they once manage to force me into the fog below, then I woke up at the beginning. Never again."-The Hunter

[foggy stratus]

Yo.

[dire lynx]

hai

[fading shard]

is it crazy to say sea of sorrows might come out in july

[random aspen]

mothleaf lagnia

[foggy stratus]

"It looks like a plant. Only a fool would be fooled by a plant mimic."-The Hunter

[random aspen]

colosseum of fool reference

thinking of the most uninteresting enemy rn

[random aspen]

kai

kai cenat

[foggy stratus]

Fool Eater*

[whole holly]

why did hornet do this?

[whole holly]

it's crazy to say that sea of sorrows will release as DLC, i think it might be turned into it's own game...

[fading shard]

I hate the fact that there is an actual possibility of that happening

[whole holly]

who doesn't

[exotic pendant]

[echo prawn]

Why are the ghost in mist say we aren't welcome there? Because we are living? I imagined the ghost are silk beings too. So we being part weaver shouldn't they kinda like hail us?

[brazen sable]

Alita

[foggy stratus]

I'm still not sure how I'll handle the memory enemies.

[brazen sable]

Uhm

Bloatroach

[frank dove]

Pavo just letting her 😭

Ooh we need muckroach crest

[azure blaze]

wardenfly crest

aughhh

[spark gorge]

I don't know if i should ask my question here but i wanted to know how many ||endings|| do silksong have so far ?

[sinful nimbus]

3

[spark gorge]

Thank you kind lady on the internet.

[twin dragon]

4 actually

[paper mantle]

Nyleth is also a root?

[whole holly]

what?

[paper mantle]

[whole holly]

i don't think Nyleth, White Lady and Greyroot are same species, Nyleth is more accurately described as Wandering Seed, White Lady has growth powers because she is higher being and Greyroot is ... dark twist om White Lady with antagonist for Nyleth, i guess

[paper mantle]

[spark gorge]

What are they ? i think i am on the first one, but i would like to know the others in advance to prepare myself

[twin dragon]

Hey

play the game

[sinful nimbus]

?

||Weaver Queen,|| ||Twisted Child,|| and ||Sister of the Void||

[twin dragon]

||Snared silk is technically an ending||

[sinful nimbus]

||Its a fakeout||

[twin dragon]

Yeah but credits roll

[sinful nimbus]

||Yeah cuz its a fakeout||

[twin dragon]

||Fakeout but an ending nevertheless||

[sinful nimbus]

||That's dumb the entire point is that its not the end 💔 ||

[twin dragon]

||It is the end for the game's quality||

[sinful nimbus]

truth nuke

[whole holly]

i mean it will probably be removed from game assets, or reworked, i think

[twin dragon]

???

Act 3 removed?

as if tc would do that

[sinful nimbus]

Only the assets

You play as a black square

[twin dragon]

lost asset

[whole holly]

omg, i read it as strung to serve, i didn't read it carefully, i wasn't paying attention

can't believe myself

[twin dragon]

son💔

I would believe an act 3 rework though

[sinful nimbus]

First Sinner final boss

[twin dragon]

💔

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah sorry more lace fights

[whole holly]

it was honest mistake

[sinful nimbus]

Sea of Sorrow ends Plasmified Lace

[twin dragon]

steel city is compressed lace

[whole holly]

Nubbie hates Plasmium

[sinful nimbus]

Who is identical to Lace 2 like LLace but this time shoots plasmified projectiles

[twin dragon]

Completely fair to hate on that btw

i could tolerate the haunting but no more

[sinful nimbus]

didn't know he was based like that

[whole holly]

i actually like that concept

[twin dragon]

no

i mean not lace

at least

[whole holly]

Compressed Lace but instead of compression it is plasmification and instead of lace it is phantom

[twin dragon]

[sinful nimbus]

Why isn't lost phantom a thing

[whole holly]

i get you, seeing civilizations be subjected to afflictions can be repetitive and not ideal

[sinful nimbus]

Optional superboss in the end game but only if you haven't killed her beforehand

[twin dragon]

No they're just the same kind of afflictions

all

[sinful nimbus]

aura

[spark valve]

even tc forgot about her

[whole holly]

i wish it was, Act 3 Void Threads should turn her into Lost Phantom

[sinful nimbus]

That such a feat is possible... I have seen life woven from Silk before, but tiny, transient... Never like this...

[twin dragon]

Plasmium would've been tuff if it just replaced your body with it and created dependance

[sinful nimbus]

Why does Lifeblood need to be evil

[twin dragon]

cuz it taboo

[sinful nimbus]

I liked it more when it was a mysterious but helpful plant

[twin dragon]

I mean tbf maybe theres benefits to being 90% lifeblood

[spark valve]

joni's probably retconned into some kind of giant deformed monster

[sinful nimbus]

or she just doesn't exist

little weavers

[twin dragon]

little weavers are convergent evolution fr

[sinful nimbus]

Seeing lifeblood in HK after SS breaks immersion its kinda funny

[whole holly]

but what about Wraiths? should they be redesigned as black thread wraiths or Act 3 haunting effects?

[whole holly]

it does, kind of

[sinful nimbus]

Lost Mist

Tuff