sk-lore

[fading shard]

it's stoney

[hearty spire]

What's the point of this chat?

loer?

[fading shard]

yes lore

[hearty spire]

what did that mean?

[fading shard]

you asked if this chat is to do with lore

[hearty spire]

idk english very well

[fading shard]

what's your native language?

[hearty spire]

Arab

I mean, what is this chat talking about? What is its purpose?

[fading shard]

تقاليد

[floral quiver]

Is that how Weavers die?

Did she gather that around herself when imprisoned and dying?

And if so, why?

And if not, why did the Citadel seemingly mummify an apostate?

Why does the stone around her mummified corpse have big bolts in it if she died in her cell after it was so heavily sealed?

[fading shard]

we both know it's not given the weavers den

and two those spires were clearly created by the weavers themselves

shakra calls them spires

[fading shard]

and the citadel is loyal to the weavers so unless it was an order by them first sinner wouldn't have been placed in the slab

nor would she have such high hatred for the damn place

as even those who despise weavers in the citadel (which are a lot of people) (but to be fair almost everybody hates them) are honored bound to serve them

and respect their status

including even the automatons such as the twelfth architect

[twin dragon]

She doesnt "victimize" them what, she considers gms to be more faulty, but she still doesnt want to end up like them

[twin dragon]

Honoring breathren

[fading shard]

I mean yes the weavers were the ones mummifying themselves that whole thing was made by the weavers

this is especially a given, when there are several WEAVER lore tablets

written towards those put in spires

[floral quiver]

So you assume that despite her apostate status she would still get burial rites? That's not generally what you do with apostates you've imprisoned.

[fading shard]

that apostate status would have to be given by the weavers

to her

so that just aids my point

you're kinda just coping here matey

[twin dragon]

who else could've imprisoned fs

[fading shard]

exactly

[twin dragon]

the only real possibility are the other weavers

[fading shard]

iit's either gms

or the weavers

and by this point of time

we know gms is impossible to be the one that done so

so it's clearly the other weavers

which again gadget makes sense

since first sinner was against what the others were doing

and deemed what their kind were doing with their kingdom was accursed

and wanted to speak the truth that the weavers weren't divine

[floral quiver]

Why? We dont know when she was imprisoned. Her cell being "old" doesn't matter because all the cells are stone.

[fading shard]

.............

You realize that the conductors were given control

when the weavers decided to do the spire thing right

and just dipped out

like the weavers outright state this in a relic

so are you telling me that first sinner just so happened to get this fate after the conductors were in control

even though first sinner would be spealing about this

with the weavers in charge

you're genuinely making no sense gadget

and are CLEARLY just arguing over nothing

[stray grove]

They didn’t dip out they died

[fading shard]

I know

I know kirb

[stray grove]

Also no

FS was imprisoned by the other Weavers not GMS

[fading shard]

I said it's not

[unreal dew]

what's the sickness affecting hornet in the stsrt of the game and start of act 3?

[stray grove]

Slab was made by the Weavers

[fading shard]

are you actively ignoring me saying it wasn't gms

I guess you are

[fading shard]

.

I literally say this

and yet you ignore that statement kirb

[stray grove]

I didn’t see that because you typed it out in like five different messages

[twin dragon]

calf cramps

[unreal dew]

is there genuinely no answer to that? 😭

[stray grove]

She’s just injured and possibly also drained of Soul

[floral quiver]

Why was an apostate, one who is behind significant magical locks and forgotten by all outside of her designation given burial rites?

Apostates aren't generally given burial rites when they're an apostate and unforgiven even in death.

[stray grove]

Both times she’s just taken a massive fall after either having been in a cage that drains her powers or fighting a long and difficult battle

[stray grove]

You do realize that’s a prison cell right

[twin dragon]

the "burial" rite is also very crude

[stray grove]

We don’t really know have the spires form but the writing is literally on the wall

[floral quiver]

So again, am I to assume she did it?

[twin dragon]

she did what

[stray grove]

You don’t have to assume anything

[floral quiver]

The mummification burial

[fading shard]

that was what I was trying to argue about all this time kirb

I was literally saying that she was imprisoned by the weavers

[twin dragon]

They buried her and threw her in there

[stray grove]

Obviously she was imprisoned by the Weavers but I suppose some people aren’t worth debating

[fading shard]

I hope you're not referring to me kirb

[stray grove]

She wasn’t dead when she was imprisoned since absolution was denied she died later on

[stray grove]

I’m not referring to you

[twin dragon]

Buried alive

into the spire

[stray grove]

I mean it’s kind of a tertiary argument

[twin dragon]

Its not too relevant to why the spire's there

[stray grove]

Indeed

[whole holly]

guys i wondered why Shrine of Nyleth was guarded and defended by Seth, so when i researched about different religions i came across somethings about shrine, Shrine is supposed to be home of spirit/deity and entrance is not always permitted, Seth might have been protecting, guarding and maintaining integrity of Nyleth's statue memory, because Haunted Bugs could technically pose threat and Seth simply may not trust anyone under control of nyleth at least

[floral quiver]

So they built the cell around her burial spire and did an unnecessary magical lock for a dead woman?

[stray grove]

This has already been discussed at length and no that doesn’t work either because Seth presents this as a foundational duty not something that started during the Haunting
He also explicitly tells us he attacks anyone who attempts to pass not just Haunted bugs, Hornet very obviously isn’t Haunted

And this isn’t Nyleth’s home or whatever it was literally built by the Citadel

It’s where her memory is because it’s where she was worshipped and she’s now dead and has been for a long time but that’s irrelevant to Seth’s duty

[whole holly]

i actually wonder if Statue is Nyleth being constricted in same way as weavers like First Sinner, shamans can barely tell when someone is dead, let alone if there is fourth heart, is it possible Nyleth is trying to maintain her memory indirectly, even when petrified her memory needs to be guarded, since she is supposedly hidden but not forgotten

[stray grove]

Ok so now we’re just making shit up

[whole holly]

ok so now we are being condescending

[floral quiver]

It's relevent because burial rites are culturally and spiritually important. Important enough that denying said rites to someone is a large part of being an apostate in a religious context.

Burial rites include how a body is buried.

First Sinner should not be a mummy like the others. She should be a corpse on the floor.

[whole holly]

they are both very petrified, if Nyleth's statue is actually her it would explain so much more

[whole holly]

nothing like Isma or even Greyroot

[twin dragon]

Yeah she could be freed

[twin dragon]

The weavers couldve still had enough respect for one of their own lmfao

if anyone else buried fs she wouldnt be still rotting in the slab

Plus her spire is far less decorated

[floral quiver]

My opinion was that she fell early, was caught and "punished" (read killed) by Silk, got buried, and was dragged into that cell by the later Citadel as their steady fall to Silk's influence leas then to more and more irrational actions., thus why she's both a more traditionally buried Weaver and in a cell in the Slab.

Nothing that I've read or seen has really shifted that, mostly because I wasn't here, or a part of the fan space when "The Weavers are actually just petty assholes who torture their sister and imprison another" interpretation started.

I have spent the last month or so highly confused about peoples interpretations cause they act like its a solved case, an objective fact when it's all, including mine, built on interpreting lines of vague dialogue and barely to not at all objectively coherent timelines and assumptions about architecture that shift like the wind.

[fading shard]

that makes no sense

at all

whatsoever

that literally is moving holla hoops

are you also going to do some cart wheels

[floral quiver]

What?

I don't get that turn of phrase.

[rough cypress]

hi

[whole holly]

just saw this on twitter

[twin dragon]

Good mother silk

[exotic pendant]

in an alternative universe where hornet cease to exist

skong is fake guys, pack your bags

[foggy stratus]

Maybe now her kids won't betray her.

[whole holly]

why do Pale Beings have to be bad, what propaganda is this, clearly Nightmare Heart, Radiance, Lifeblood Beast and God of Gods are worse for regular bug population

i am expecting correction about LBB already

[foggy stratus]

Nightmare Heart doesn't really do anything to most normal bugs. God of Gods as well. Hornet just loves spreading misinformation ig.

[twin dragon]

Hornet is kinda right doe

Pk did eat up a big piece of land for himself

[exotic pendant]

pale king compared to GMS somehow makes him look nice, so pale beings do kinda be like dat

NEED WORSHIP

[whole holly]

normal bugs are having unsettling feeling right??? also God of Gods being near a regular bug could be harmful, at least proximity to void

[twin dragon]

Pk also has shown more restraint while gms is quite literally a beast

[foggy stratus]

I'm sure TK/Shade Lord/Lord of Shades has enough self control to not accidentally hurt anyone.

[exotic pendant]

the nightmare heart only goes through like, ded kingdoms right

[whole holly]

are we sure?

[exotic pendant]

they only here for nightmare

[foggy stratus]

Also an unsettling feeling shouldn't get them lumped in with miss genocide moth and infection 2.0 beast.

[whole holly]

what does this mean, like in dead kingdoms there are clearly still inhabitants

[foggy stratus]

Pretty sure.

Happens with Hornet.

[whole holly]

we don't know lot about them

[foggy stratus]

She gets submerged in the Void during DMN and she's perfectly fine.

[exotic pendant]

yeah but like they don't really do any impact, unless you count scaring the hell outta elderbug being an unforgivable thing

[twin dragon]

genocide 1 and genocide 2

[foggy stratus]

I mean that is rather rude of them. But that doesnt make them inherently evil or anything.

[exotic pendant]

tbh the radiance and GMS is pretty simular in story

GMS was calm until her daughters betray her, than they go full haunting

radiance was calm until her children betray her, than she goes full infection

[echo prawn]

I think radiance power and GMS power counters each other

[exotic pendant]

imagine a bug both under the influence of infection and haunting

[whole holly]

If the Radiance and Grand Mother Silk swapped places with each other, how far are they each getting within Hallownest and Pharloom??

[echo prawn]

I think radiance will have tough time against weavers.

[exotic pendant]

not really, GMS is actually physical

the radiance is straight up all dream

weavers don't have essence technology as far as I'm concerned

[whole holly]

personally i think Radiance loves simple bugs with instincts and she would mostly leave everyone alone as long as she has loyal worshipers, Grand Mother Silk would likely be isolationist as long as she has perfect daughters

[dapper willow]

haunting + orange juice + lifeblood + void

[whole holly]

i mean if weavers weren't ascended from Pharlids

[exotic pendant]

I don't think the radiance can ascend things

well, in the normal sense that is

[echo prawn]

Doesn't silk interact with souls?

[dapper willow]

gms in hollow knight gets suplexed by hegemol

radiance is fine in silksong

[exotic pendant]

soul is more physical than dreams at least

[twin dragon]

radiance is getting remembered by nobody 💔

[whole holly]

if hegemol doesn't get haunted

[twin dragon]

they js see her light and think its the citadel

go on their day

[whole holly]

if rad has moths in pharloom and gms had weavers in hallownest, which one is surviving longest?

[dapper willow]

normal bugs can resist the haunting
I don't see why the great knights wouldn't be able to

Also the pale king might be more suitable to whip something up against the threads

[twin dragon]

weavers did pretty well in hallownest

moths are getting enslaved day 1

[foggy stratus]

Weavers. Moths are folding instantly under GMS' light.

[twin dragon]

can they?

[whole holly]

how would moths for in gms light if they are in pharloom and gms is in hallownest

[echo prawn]

Like weaver doesn't any other bugs have unique mechanism?

[whole holly]

by who? they are peaceful

[echo prawn]

Moths and dreams I guess

Like that

[foggy stratus]

Just avoid the thread. Hegemol's shell would probably hard block silk.

[twin dragon]

citadel

[whole holly]

i don't think GMS would be beated in hallownest

[foggy stratus]

Oh you're also swapping the Gods.

[twin dragon]

gms is getting cooked by pk

in her current state

[whole holly]

citadel wouldn't exist in gms and weavers are in hallownest and rad and moths are in pharloom

[exotic pendant]

the fleas are so stupid but I guess their will in optimism and playfullness is enough to resist the haunting y'hear

[twin dragon]

old gms would likely put up a challenge

[dapper willow]

gsm is phisical unlike radiance

So The pale king can go over there and punch her in the liver!

[twin dragon]

pharloom uh

idk

the kingdoms kinda live on

[dapper willow]

the 2 bums in pharloom florida are completely fine too

[whole holly]

i think gms is physically stronger than pk

[twin dragon]

and rad has her moths why bother

nothing really happens

[whole holly]

exactly, no competition, just peaceful coexistence, unlike hallownest which would be chaos

[foggy stratus]

Yeah but PK always has his knights and magic.

[dapper willow]

and the pale king also has an army

[twin dragon]

idk about chaos

[dapper willow]

lots of guards there to use

[twin dragon]

would gms try to take over

[foggy stratus]

GMS lowkey a Mantis Tribe victim.

[twin dragon]

ts is why we need old pharloom to see what she was doing before smh

[echo prawn]

Are there other ascended beings in pharloom except GMS

[twin dragon]

nope

[whole holly]

assuming weavers and gms are more established than pk, gms would win

[foggy stratus]

Ehh its highly debatable. But no.

[dapper willow]

even the kingdoms were able to resist the citadel for a time, there is no reason why hallownest couldn't when the have 2 higher beings on their side

worst case scenario: pk does the child plan but without the void

And it become a full on attack of the clones situation

Separatist gsm vs republic PK

[foggy stratus]

Not to mention two warrior tribes and Deepnest.

[whole holly]

Unn = Nyleth so likely a pact, PK and WL are likely not a fighters

[whole holly]

Deepnest would be integrated with weavers and gms too

[foggy stratus]

"Go forth my children. Fetch me the silken scoundrel's heart. Winner gets a bedtime story."

[foggy stratus]

Aw shucks.

[dapper willow]

unironically things would have turned out better for Hallownest if that happened

Some noble dark kind of story instead of a full on apocalypse

[whole holly]

we aren't talking about citadel but weavers and gms, i doubt gms and weavers would attack anyone, other than mantises and shrumals which is deepnest conflict and gms would side with deepnest

btw , there is a 1 in 253 chance that Sea of sorrow releases today!

[foggy stratus]

[tepid aurora]

Actually, what’s worse. Being haunted or infected

[foggy stratus]

Infected.

[whole holly]

infected or plasmified

[foggy stratus]

Just look at what happened in Infected Crossroads.

Poor saps.

[tepid aurora]

Isn’t it like pretty terrible to have literal strands in you

Writhing and stuff

[whole holly]

Citadel doesn't kidnap hornet until infection ends, i don't think that's coincidence given GMS's silken sight

[foggy stratus]

The Citadel would inject the stuff into bugs. Probably not a super painful thing.

[whole holly]

GMS was threatened by Radiance and Pale King, which is why weavers chose hallownest

[tepid aurora]

Im just wondering if some bugs is consious while haunted

[dapper willow]

i think the whole haunting happened much later than the infection

[tepid aurora]

Just having their body puppeteired

[whole holly]

Citadel is likely older than second wave of infection

[dapper willow]

I heard that there is some evidence to all the haunted bugs having a shared memory of sorts

They are all forced to be in the same group chat

[twin dragon]

holy baseless

[tepid aurora]

Makes sense

[twin dragon]

not all of the weavers went to hallownest aswell

[whole holly]

i mean GMS has Silken Sight

[twin dragon]

They're all connected to gms yeah

[whole holly]

lot of them did, never said all

[twin dragon]

You dont even know what silken sight

is

[twin dragon]

a fraction of their grup

[whole holly]

what do you think it is

[whole holly]

define fraction

[twin dragon]

A uh

decently sized or small part

define fraction

lmao

[twin dragon]

sight..

her goofy ass "silken sight" couldnt even spot the weavenest

[whole holly]

i don't think larger diaspora exists anywhere

[twin dragon]

what makes you think she can see through the wastes

[foggy stratus]

A number over another number

[whole holly]

PK and Radiance don't live in Weavenests

[whole holly]

she kidnaps foreign born weavers

[twin dragon]

weavenests are in pharloom, not three million bug kilometers away

[twin dragon]

she sends scouting parties for a reason

she doesnt just see

she needs other eyes

that are haunted

[echo prawn]

Yeah how exactly they track these part weavers

[whole holly]

scouting- buddy she sends kidnappers

[twin dragon]

Yeah she could've scouted before or using those scouting parties to kidnap hornet

[echo prawn]

So she sends it to every nearby region or does she know to send where exactly?

[twin dragon]

likely every nearby region

[whole holly]

weavenests have spells are are constructed to evade silken sigh, rad and pk don't do that

[twin dragon]

im confused by this since it looks like a conductor order

[twin dragon]

where do you get this from

and how didnt gms spot the fleeing weavers then

genius

[whole holly]

holy baseless

[twin dragon]

Kinda is tbf

But how else could she do it

[whole holly]

idk, game mentions her sigh, what do you think it is?

[twin dragon]

Her constant observation of the weavers

they didnt have any privacy

they had to built structures to have some

[whole holly]

why else would they built it

[twin dragon]

so gms doesnt see them

doesnt mean that sight is magical in some sort

we get one namedrop on it and nothing else

[whole holly]

oh dude, dude, does GMS even have eyes

[twin dragon]

bold to assume it does something

[twin dragon]

why doesnt gms have a face

[whole holly]

bold to assume she has eyes

[twin dragon]

whatever the fuck she uses to see

chat

what if gms actually senses shit

[whole holly]

magic...

[twin dragon]

Either way if thats the case it cant be true as it would enact quite a few plotholes

[twin dragon]

Lets start a baseless conspiracymaxxing discussion here

it lwk is interesting

what if she senses through her silk strands or wtv

kinda like hairs on a spider

[whole holly]

i don't have time nubbie, see you later

[twin dragon]

Have time to throw out shit like that but alr see ya

[echo prawn]

Do we have any lore on fayforn origins

[jagged sun]

Nope

Literally nothing about its origin or really much else

[echo prawn]

I more curious about these birds in bug world

[jagged sun]

It isn't a bird, and neither are the craws btw

Everything is some kind of bug

And the "feathers" on Fayforn is most likely fluff

[echo prawn]

Wait I thought craws were birds. I knew moorwing wasn't one. But I was sure that craws were one

[jagged sun]

The craws drop "ragpelt" during creige's quest, implying that the wings are artificially attached rags. And the "beaks" are made of metal to better divebomb people.

As seen by the Crawfather using its metallic sound as a court gavel

[echo prawn]

I hadn't thought about this. This kinda makes sense

[jagged sun]

Thanks

[echo prawn]

But fayforn actually looks like a bird. I thought fayforn is actually a small chick or something, it just looks big in the world of bugs

[jagged sun]

The driftlin are heavily implied by design and the journal to be its children, it's fully grown.

[foggy stratus]

As far as I can gleam the Journal doesnt mention anything about it being a child.

[echo prawn]

No they do say something like mother when you use needolin

[foggy stratus]

Is that in the journal?

No.

[echo prawn]

I don't remember journal entry. I don't think so

[foggy stratus]

"Gentle glider of Mount Fay. Its downy wings and cowl allow it to resist even the most cutting cold.

This one would make a perfect pet, but for the freezing temperatures it requires for comfort."

[jagged sun]

Sorry, I must have messed up where I got the "mother" thing from

It may have just been from another conversation here tbh

[sinful nimbus]

They're incredibly similar physically (most notably the "downy wings") and they do mention a mother in their needolin dialogue though

[jagged sun]

Ooooh so that's where it's from then

[jagged sun]

Thanks

[foggy stratus]

I dont see it tbh.

[sinful nimbus]

They have the same horns and basic body and the same fluffy pale wings

[foggy stratus]

I still don't buy it. Also arent they Haunted?

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah so

[foggy stratus]

The Mother could be meaning GMS.

[sinful nimbus]

haunted don't really refer to GMS in their needolin dialogue, nor do they call her mother

[jagged sun]

Wait can someone pull up the needolin dialogue idk how to do it

[sinful nimbus]

Mother, mother, gleam so brightly...

[foggy stratus]

"Lightly, lightly, oh so lightly...
Drifty, drifty, oh so nicely...
Mother, mother, gleam so brightly...
Glidey! Glidey! Glidey!"

[jagged sun]

I assume that that gleam is the tuning fork getting activated by weavers

Or if we go the GMS mother route then it would be her paleness

[foggy stratus]

Tbh Fayforn doesn't glow all that much so I'm rather inclined to believe it does refer to GMS.

[echo prawn]

I wish bees had a ascended being.

[foggy stratus]

Who, as a Pale Being, has a defining trait of being bright as all hell.

[foggy stratus]

Closest is potential Old Heart Vespa.

[jagged sun]

Even if that is very likely to be true, I'm still inclined to say that the Fayforn is related by blood to the driftlin

Perhaps like an old heart

Like Khan to the karaka

Or any of the other old hearts that are buffed versions of a species

[foggy stratus]

Also the term is Higher Being.

Ascended Being better fits like the Weavers or the bugs of Hallownest who PK ascended the minds of.

[echo prawn]

Oh yeah. Though can a normal bug actually become higher being?

[foggy stratus]

Ehhh. Not that we've seen.

Two "bugs" that do become Higher Beings are the children of at least one.

Hornet and The Knight.

[limpid summit]

Only way it could maybe technically happen is if a bug somehow made or contributed to the creation of a ridiculously powerful charm

But like

[foggy stratus]

Or somehow managed to inject so much Soul or Essence into themselves without dying to basically become an artificial Pale/Essence Being.

But like

They'd die.

[near jasper]

Whats the Topic rn

[foggy stratus]

Not sure.

Just sorta pondering about Higher Beings.

[near jasper]

Actually I thing I noticed is all pale beings we see have a way to not let soul accumulate in their bodies

[echo prawn]

I wonder how plasmium and greyroot would interact. I wish there was a way to become plasmified while being cursed

[near jasper]

White lady grows larger, pk put it in kingsoul and gms sheds silk

[foggy stratus]

I think Kingsoul just has its own soul reservoir.

[random harbor]

Charm: Kingsoul

Holy charm symbolising a union between higher beings. The bearer will slowly absorb the limitless SOUL contained within.

Opens the way to a birthplace.

@lexmolten used /charms category: B-K charm: Kingsoul

[near jasper]

Totally gonna be in sos (trust)

[foggy stratus]

Twisted Bud would drown in the plasmium.

Or prevent Hornet from reaching the Plasmification tipping point.

[echo prawn]

It is able to parasitise pale being, can't it over come plasmium. Or atleast resist it

[foggy stratus]

GMS is weakened when it takes over.

Like how Radiance can only get touched by the Void after getting her ass kicked some.

[near jasper]

Hornet just straight up gets cancer permanently if you get the parasite and plasmified at the same time

[echo prawn]

Hope so

[foggy stratus]

Girls so fucked even the cancer has cancer.

[near jasper]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hypertumor

[foggy stratus]

Yeah I know that already exists.

[near jasper]

Ngl I feel like pharloom feels less lively than hallownest

[foggy stratus]

Yeah.

Less towns.

[near jasper]

The characters have less dialogue

[foggy stratus]

Give me an abandoned town with a high as shit retired warrior in it.

[foggy stratus]

And less memorable names as well.

I can only name like a dozen npcs.

[near jasper]

Fuckass pilgrim and assfuck pilgrim

[foggy stratus]

Pilby, 12th Archetict, Greyroot, Styx and Skinx, Balow, Mort, Forge Daughter, Seamstress... uhhhh... Mollted Skarr...

Uhhhhhh

Flicks the Fixer

Morshow Flea Man

Vog

I think my point is made now.

-# I'm honestly blanking rn

[echo prawn]

Missed sherma...

[foggy stratus]

Well yeah of course but thats kinda cheating.

Also why I excluded Bosses.

Like Shakra and Garmond and insert low effort weed joke here

[echo prawn]

I like second sentinel. I wanted to know more lord about him

[foggy stratus]

Objectively top three warrior NPCs.

Unlike someone they actually work to protect someplace during the whole Black Thread issue.

cough cough Pinstress cough cough

Seamstress gets a pass for being a pacifist and all.

But Pinstress is just lazy af.

Like girl go help Shakra for PK's sake.

[echo prawn]

Idk why, but I had difficulty fighting shakra than few of the bosses.

[foggy stratus]

She's just fast as fuck.

[foggy stratus]

Like even Garmond's old ass is out there helping.

[echo prawn]

Whenever I fight, I kinda try to figure a way to cheese it. (Not a lot skilled.) With shakra I couldn't do anything. I just had to nuke with tools using architect crest

[foggy stratus]

Cogflies and Tacks helped me beat her iirc.

[echo prawn]

Same

[foggy stratus]

Just try to stay mobile and never let her leave the screen if possible.

[fading shard]

I mean her being theoretically threatened by them isn't out of the realm of possibilities

[fading shard]

Now yes it is baseless but it makes sense

[fading shard]

listen I absolutely agree with you

[foggy stratus]

Is that it?

[fading shard]

I mean I usually agree with you

[fading shard]

and yes

[foggy stratus]

Usually a "listen..." is followed up with like a "but insert thing here" is all.

[twin dragon]

It really doesn't, gms couldnt even see the probably lots of her daughters dipping

and well, gms was likely sealed by that time i imagine

[foggy stratus]

They were really fast tho.

[twin dragon]

if gms can apparently see this far and know everything that happens there then she'd have no issue

[foggy stratus]

And who exactly could she send to wrangle so many Weavers? There's only one of her.

[fading shard]

not what I meant

[twin dragon]

gms doesnt know about them

neither did the weavers i imagine

[fading shard]

she does

she literally knows of the pk

[twin dragon]

where

[fading shard]

the commandment?

where she sends out haunted bugs

[twin dragon]

Yeah ok scouting parties and such

[fading shard]

to go after a weaver

[twin dragon]

does that mean she's threatened?

[fading shard]

in the kingdom of the pale wyrm

[fading shard]

he's dead

[foggy stratus]

"Kingdom of the White Wyrm..."

[fading shard]

obviously she isn't by then

[twin dragon]

Before

does this mean that she knows what goes down there

[fading shard]

I mean all outside factions and higher beings we know of, know of him

and his kingdom

hallownest is supposed to be a rather big deal

[twin dragon]

we only met like 2

outside hbs

and the nightmare heart kinda js found his glow

[twin dragon]

Yeah but to the point of knowing whats going down

this far away

gms might aswell be omnipresent shit

[fading shard]

okay I think I said this poorly

I don't agree that the weavers went to hallownest

because they knew gms wouldn't track them there bc she was afraid of him

nor do I think she had the silken sight that allowed her to se them from such a long distance

[twin dragon]

The weavers kinda went wherever

[fading shard]

I am aware nubbie

we literally know some went to the city of steel

(dumb move)

[fading shard]

though she can sense

[foggy stratus]

They just fucking booked it.

[fading shard]

the weavers

[fading shard]

exactly!!

[fading shard]

literally she could sense hornet with strong silk

[twin dragon]

Yeah that's really not what nika is saying

[fading shard]

from pharloom

[twin dragon]

and you said it is in the realm of possibility somehow

[foggy stratus]

Maybe through routes that GMS couldn't follow or see them through.

[twin dragon]

Actually i rather baselessly theorize that gms doesnt see

she feels through silk

her own silk

[fading shard]

I concede and apologies by the way I went about phrasing things

[twin dragon]

she doesnt even have a face ffs

[foggy stratus]

No eyes

Wait

[fading shard]

She still haunts team cherry

[twin dragon]

[fading shard]

(something that they said once)

[twin dragon]

they made no eyes but really bad

in the form of palestag

[foggy stratus]

Guys GMS is jsut No Eyes theory.

[twin dragon]

thats what they meant

man we need old pharloom NOW

i need to know how old pharloom worked

I NEED

TO KNOW

[fading shard]

what was nika saying

[twin dragon]

what you answered to

[fading shard]

and again I do believe she would be threatened by the pks existence

that's it

nothing regarding the weavers

[twin dragon]

But that's not what happened

She didnt really do anything with other kingdoms as far as we know

[fading shard]

no she did not

nor am I saying this is significant nubbie

[twin dragon]

Knowing it would be neat

I dont even know if gms really knew how strong pk is

[fading shard]

I just wanted to personally say that I believe she'd be threatened by him

[whole holly]

Radiance too? i mean hornet being kidnapped after Infection is hardly a coincidence

[fading shard]

the pk is the one that everybody acknowledges in the hollow knight universe

[twin dragon]

Likely if she somehow physically saw the kingdom the massive glow around it could ward her off

[fading shard]

with radiance literally being "forgotten"

[twin dragon]

no she's starting to wake up

at that moment

[whole holly]

fine then light/plague

[twin dragon]

enough to do what she does

[fading shard]

okay then yes

[foggy stratus]

She likely would feel threatened by another fully functional Pale Being up and about.

[fading shard]

I agree that theoretically yes

[fading shard]

wouldn't she?

team cherry literally did a bullcrap statement

[whole holly]

at that moment? we see orders for kidnapping weavers before hornet's order was issued

[foggy stratus]

Like she comes from a land where she's the only Higher Being so seeing another one probably scared her.

[fading shard]

that his power could be felt

[twin dragon]

Maybe she heard the rumours but eh

[fading shard]

from far away

[fading shard]

again idk how that works

neither do I know how "you could feel the pale kings power" works

[twin dragon]

Well yeah that doesnt really imply anything

[twin dragon]

rumours

or wtv

[fading shard]

Genuinely wtf does this even mean

[whole holly]

thank you, most higher beings can sense and know each other, why is GMS knowing Rad and PK so bizarre?

[twin dragon]

i doubt she physically saw the kingdom

[fading shard]

actually, how tf can you just sense his power

not only in his kingdom but beyond it

[twin dragon]

does anyone actually sense his power

the nightmare heart just went out and about doing their job

[foggy stratus]

GodSeekers feel his afterglow.

[fading shard]

godseeker mentions that the pale kings after glow is enough to find the kingdom

[foggy stratus]

Or whatever it was.

[twin dragon]

Godseekers are lil special

[fading shard]

and it's implied that the wind that carried quirrel

[whole holly]

Godseeker senses the afterglow which is close in my opinion to his power even if it is erased

[twin dragon]

yeah but that's not "sensing" yk

[fading shard]

was simillar

[twin dragon]

that's glowing

or wtv

[fading shard]

"We feel the afterglow"

[whole holly]

every Higher Being seems to be able to recognize each other, White Lady recognizes NMH easily

[fading shard]

". How bright it must have been to mortal bug stood before it."

[twin dragon]

Yeah this is literal

also gms does glow aswell

[fading shard]

they meant by his power

as they were referring to his power

not quite literal light

his actual light prowess

is mentioned by other characters

[twin dragon]

worded as if it was literal

[fading shard]

"That lingering power alone was beacon enough to draw Us to Hallownest"

[twin dragon]

but yeah talking about his splendour and grandeur from being so powerful

[fading shard]

The godseeker here is saying that the pale king power could be quite literally felt

like his "dragon ball z power"

[fading shard]

being something one could feel

[whole holly]

even still literal light is still associated with their power

[fading shard]

well yes

the pale king has some insane wide variety of powers

including light

honestly his light abilities are compared to the radiance a lot

[twin dragon]

that's derived from his soul prowness

everything the pk can do is related to soul and dreams

[fading shard]

his soul capabilities and his light capabilities are mentioned seperately

[fading shard]

his light is literally compared to the everblooms

which is just light

[fading shard]

also that's wrong

[twin dragon]

Oi i mean we dont know

[fading shard]

as he also has sensory powers

[twin dragon]

maybe it has to do with soul

foresight is a wyrm thing yeah

[fading shard]

world sense

[fading shard]

world sense

he has world sense like zi

[twin dragon]

where did you get this from

[fading shard]

or the nmh heart

[fading shard]

he mentions it in the black egg temple

he had the capability of gifting it to the hk

and we know that it's a proper capability one can possess

[twin dragon]

very well but where is this mentioned

[fading shard]

.

[twin dragon]

also the pk does have foresight why did you disregard this

[twin dragon]

tablet?

[fading shard]

"Vessel. Though bound, you shall know the state of the world."

and from that

you're gifted world sense

[twin dragon]

I'd assume this is what most hbs have

and why are you relating it to the pk

[fading shard]

unn doesn't

[twin dragon]

how do you know this

[limpid summit]

Unn might not

But she might

[twin dragon]

she's been weakened for a while

[limpid summit]

Who knows

[random harbor]

Lore Tablet: Forgotten Crossroads - Temple of the Black Egg

Vessel. Though bound, you shall know the state of the world.
Hallownest will be whole again.

@nostor_10. used /lore-tablets area: Forgotten Crossroads name: Temple of the Black Egg

[twin dragon]

Also usually the glowing higher beings possess such power because of their prowess with soul or essence

Light is also just used as a metaphor to his power

[limpid summit]

PK’s afterglow is the beacon

[paper mantle]

Have what?

[twin dragon]

World sense

[fading shard]

he has literal light

[limpid summit]

His corpse doesn’t glow they’re calling the remnant of his power his afterglow because he was a light

[twin dragon]

Interestingly gms also has glow

[fading shard]

.......his light is literally mentioned alongside the radiances

[whole holly]

power to sense each other or something similar to world sense

[paper mantle]

No, Unn not have that

[twin dragon]

how do you know it

[paper mantle]

Never mention it

[twin dragon]

Fair enough but then it's a possiblity

with most other hbs having it

[paper mantle]

She is only described as having a "greater mind," but never with the power to feel the world

[fading shard]

though he can actually grow incredibly brightly

apparently it actually hurt to look at him

[limpid summit]

Yeah

[twin dragon]

What was the beacon

lwk forgot

[fading shard]

I mean the game mentions different types of beacons

for the pk

there's the one that literally gifted bugs sapience

then there's the one that allows creatures to track hallownest down

from his after glow

aka his power

[bleak ridge]

Wdym track hallownest

[limpid summit]

The beacon was probably some soul essence magic given off by the cast off shell that elevated bugs’ minds

[twin dragon]

Is it explicitely stated to be his source of light though?

[limpid summit]

Wdym

[twin dragon]

Like im basing off of the fact that both pk and gms glow

[limpid summit]

No he himself was a source of light

[twin dragon]

gms doesnt have any known beacon

[limpid summit]

In life

In death he doesn’t glow

The afterglow GMS refers to is his latent power

[bleak ridge]

Something something pale beings

[limpid summit]

The beacon keeps bugs sapient even after he dies

[twin dragon]

what does this have to do with gms

[limpid summit]

Sorry

[twin dragon]

im talking about the fact that they both glow

[limpid summit]

Godseeker

Yeah they both glow

Soul glows

[twin dragon]

im relating this to their relation with soul

[limpid summit]

Yeah

[twin dragon]

instead of something separate for wtv reason

[whole holly]

other than Pale Being category what types of Higher Beings are there, Radiance is called Radiant Being i guess

[bleak ridge]

Pale beings probably have a very close relation to soul in general

[twin dragon]

Pale beings isnt a hb only category though

higher beings can be categorized by bums and non bums

[fading shard]

his powers include:

power seals

Dream manipulation

a bunch of soul related magic (and he has a near infinite amount of it that regenerates)

light powers

World sense

foresight

and essence stuff

[fading shard]

Apple egg you agree

[whole holly]

technically but it overlaps a lot, overwhelmingly

[limpid summit]

You got that

[twin dragon]

dream manipulation and essence is quite literally the same or similar and his light is derived from the fact that he can manipulate both soul and essence

[fading shard]

the radiances???

[twin dragon]

Aside from their kids

[fading shard]

bro the radiance and pale kings light powers are both mentioned

[twin dragon]

Yeah doesnt mean they're something separate

[fading shard]

and compared

[twin dragon]

doesn't mean they glow just because

[fading shard]

what about the radiance?

[twin dragon]

essence

essence also glows

quite a lot

especially in the bug's minds apparently

[near jasper]

Literal god of light

[fading shard]

you're saying her light powers are because of essence

[twin dragon]

Kinda

[fading shard]

and he's compared to that god of light several times

[twin dragon]

she's the only dream god after all

[whole holly]

yea it likely is combination of both because of how bright he was

[near jasper]

Yeah pale beings glow

[twin dragon]

essence and soul glow in general

[near jasper]

Yeah

[fading shard]

yes I'm aware nubbie

[twin dragon]

chat if gms is enough to make the kingdom of pharloom much clearer even in her current state, would she be quite literally blinding in her prime

[fading shard]

but the pale king and radiane in specific have LIGHT powers

[fading shard]

??

[limpid summit]

The unique physical nature of Silk as it pertains to GMS shaped soul probably prevents her from shooting light lasers

[near jasper]

She is kinda the only light source in the cradle

[twin dragon]

Again, it is never mentioned to be specifically not derived from essence and soul, and everything we've seen so far has implied this

[whole holly]

why, Servitor Boran shoots light lasers

[twin dragon]

gms glows

if you banish her in a3 the citadel is a lot darker

and noticeably so

[fading shard]

that

[near jasper]

You can litterally see theres no light when shes offscreen in her fight

[fading shard]

that's not really in anyway any evidence when

there is void everywhere

[twin dragon]

the void doesnt just supress light for no reason lmao

[whole holly]

silklight is a thing : Broken construct built by Weavers past, able to fire a focused beam of silklight

[twin dragon]

there was void all around the radiance's arena and her presence wasnt diminished

[limpid summit]

Might be a unique application of tech

Like runes

GMS can’t weave runes

But maybe

[near jasper]

-# Skill issue

[twin dragon]

old pharloom expansion required to see

wait 5 more years

bum

[whole holly]

can't? wdym can't did you see her try and fail??

[twin dragon]

if only we saw how pharloom was pre citadel

[limpid summit]

I thought FS was the first to weave runes

[twin dragon]

silk runes ye

[limpid summit]

How else would GMS have runes

[fading shard]

I mentioned soul and seals seperately and a good amount of other powers the pk has seperately too, even if they are all from a simillar source

[limpid summit]

We don’t see her use raw soul power at all

[twin dragon]

idfk maybe she had them before weavers saw em or were created or she didn't

[limpid summit]

Maybe she could maybe not

[fading shard]

because they are distinct enough

[whole holly]

she captures and bind weavers, so she probably can

[twin dragon]

Doesn't make the light source any less derived from wtv the pk can do

[fading shard]

I'm not just gonna say the radiance has essence powers

[twin dragon]

you could say that yeah

dream manipulation

[fading shard]

or the pale king has sensory, dream and soul powers

[twin dragon]

that's something the radiance does

[twin dragon]

Yk

fair enough

for the sake of clarity

[limpid summit]

Would that not just be focus equivalent

That’s less technique based

I’m not saying she can’t

[twin dragon]

we dont know if she bound them but it is likely yeah

[whole holly]

she would absorb their rune technique

[twin dragon]

cuz where else are they going

[fading shard]

am I supposed to say the nightmare heart has nightmare essence powers and that's it?

I'm gonna be more broad with it

[whole holly]

Citadel and Widow talk about it in needolin silk memory in cradle

[twin dragon]

Well you can ig split their dream powers and their ability to sense dead kingdoms

which are likely unrelated although we dont know

[fading shard]

besides some of these even if they come from the same source FEEL distinctly different

[whole holly]

true

[twin dragon]

I mean soul and essence glowing is just one of their properties idk man

[whole holly]

is this Citadel or Widow one?

[twin dragon]

where does this imply

widow

what's the citadel memor

[fading shard]

widow shows up

[twin dragon]

in the cradle

or wtv

[whole holly]

in rune cage rooms

[fading shard]

And the pale king and radiance have a BIG deal regarding being light

[whole holly]

spin bind punish would be binding them as punishment

[limpid summit]

Yeah why doesn’t she actually use any weaver techniques

That’s weird

[twin dragon]

that's a way to measure their powers i feel like

[fading shard]

they mention literal light

[twin dragon]

she didn't invent them or she's too beastly to use them

[near jasper]

She's stupid ™

[fading shard]

we everbloom

We literally get the everbloom and pk comparison nubbie

[twin dragon]

they also don't literally mention light

[fading shard]

are we implying the everbloom isn't actually light

[whole holly]

she doesn't waste silk, she makes moorbugs collect silk dregs but TC is probably saving for Boss Rush DLC

[twin dragon]

it is light but maybe it has something to do with soul

or essence

or wtv

[fading shard]

the radiance is literally the god of light

they don't mention light for unn, nmh or white lady

[twin dragon]

Yeah i can see her light being derived from her being the god of dreams

Because they likely dont glow

since 2 of them arent soul related and the other one is in a very sorry state

[fading shard]

And the pale get's his light compared to hers

the moths literally flocked to him for presumably that reason

[whole holly]

Grimmsteeds technically mention it, i think White Lady somewhere if i remember correctly

[twin dragon]

Yeah but this doesn't imply it isn't derived of soul and essence

yeah they glow very strong

[fading shard]

I'm not saying it isn't atp

[twin dragon]

but that doesn't mean they glow just because they do yk

you get me?

[fading shard]

I'm saying it's distinct that you can but their LIGHT powers in a su category

outside of soul

[twin dragon]

if you want to clarify sure

[limpid summit]

Yeah I’m sure she’ll get more attacks eventually

[twin dragon]

and because the glow is noticeable enough

[whole holly]

what is argument even about? like light = soul/essence/both

[limpid summit]

But the moorbugs are probably just doing what they did in life

[fading shard]

no it's not

Not even my point

[twin dragon]

the gods light is caused by their prowess with soul and essence

[fading shard]

that wsa not my argument

[twin dragon]

also gms is really weak

she's lwk starved of silk for a lot of time

[whole holly]

it was a farm i think, that's mentioned

[twin dragon]

she likely tries not to waste much of it

[fading shard]

that also shows something, the fact that's an issue of hers

that she literally wants hornet and the other hybrid weavers

to bind

for their silk

like come on now

[whole holly]

essence is literally a fragment of light and is bright, soul also glows, what is this argument

[fading shard]

I'm saying it's not the argument

you asked what is this argument even about

[whole holly]

what are you saying?

[twin dragon]

i'd say split as she's very despotic and set on being a parent so punishment is also an option

[whole holly]

regular light is also Soul and Essence derived

[fading shard]

not what I am arguing about my god

[twin dragon]

ig not every source of light since yk

lumaflies

[whole holly]

i responded to nubbie, my god

[near jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-komaru-explosion-gif-16816990113479294066

[twin dragon]

they're flies but they luma

[near jasper]

And deepnest mushrooms

[whole holly]

lumaflies are likely soul related but even if they aren't they are still just exception

[fading shard]

where does the everblooms light come from

[near jasper]

Me

[whole holly]

they release soul particles when interacting with them

[near jasper]

Spores

[twin dragon]

No fucking clue but it might aswell be soul and essence with how its so ethereal

the everbloom is kinda roided by a memory either way

[whole holly]

pretty sure they are lot like soul, they contain soul either way

[whole holly]

Palestag also shines, what is that about??

[fading shard]

not to group light powers, seals and or world sense in just essence/soul powers, when speaking about a characters powers, because they are distinct enough to get a seperate mention

like teleportation

[twin dragon]

palestag's a myth

likely roided with essence or wtv

making up shit atp

[whole holly]

i don't think so

[fading shard]

Because like stuff like idk rune rage, or the soul daggers the pv creates aren't worth just listing

and just could be put in soul powers

[twin dragon]

It is described as myth made reality

[fading shard]

but something like seals are noteworthy enough

and so diverse

that they deserve their own mention

[whole holly]

makes sense

[twin dragon]

in the dream

[whole holly]

i mean it could still be a real, with myth made around it

[fading shard]

cool

[twin dragon]

I dont think thats what the intent on that entry is

[whole holly]

i agree with you, mostly sense part

[whole holly]

pointless to argue about it

[twin dragon]

dragons could be real they're just in another planet 56324234 trillion light years away

[fading shard]

the green prince literally states he hunted it

[twin dragon]

and the pstag ended up being as grandious as gp thought of it

[fading shard]

that's in game dialogue

[whole holly]

false equivalence

[twin dragon]

Iirc gp talked about hunting for the myth but like never actually getting to kill it and met his partner instead

[fading shard]

"Here, the trail of the stag touched pale... We hunted her, felled her, as none before were able...
Proof it became, of our majesty... mark of our divine right..."

[twin dragon]

actually felled her or wtv

But yeah i still think that its roided by gp's dream

as verdania likely is

as a whole

[fading shard]

he literally states that it was proof for verdanias kingdom of their majesty

[twin dragon]

Yeah it could've existed but it's so important to gp that it likely is much more exxagerated than it actually was

[fading shard]

wdym could've?

he literally states that it did

[twin dragon]

either way we've got no info on it whatsoever

[fading shard]

............

he says this

[twin dragon]

Im talking about not in the shape it is in the dream

pointless to argue

[fading shard]

oh you were arguing about how it looked like in the memory

okay yeah

I agree

that's fair

[whole holly]

you started pointless argument, though, how is relevant???

[paper mantle]

?

[silver tundra]

Do you guys think we'll get DLC content that covers every single known area (i.e Blackbarrens, Lands Serene, City of Steel, etc), or do you guys think they won't have us explore every location?

[paper mantle]

Yes

[paper mantle]

I want see Blackbarrens and City of Steel

[silver tundra]

How many DLC did Hollow Knight have?

There's Lifeblood

Grim Troupe

Dreams?

And then Godhome?

[silver tundra]

Same here

[fading shard]

4

[fading shard]

no

[silver tundra]

I especially want to see the Lands Serene

[fading shard]

will we get more info on those areas probably yes

But will we go there, 90% no

[silver tundra]

Which ones do you think they'll cover?

[fading shard]

city of steel is already being covered

with the steel masters

and they already promised for regarding the steel society

so that's outright confirmation

lands serene is a very important place

as it is the origin of the first light

quite literal first light

so that's a really important landmark

and seeing more anime girl/guy looking bugs would be nice

[paper mantle]

Yes

[fading shard]

us getting any information on the blackbarrens purely depends

on what that place actually is

[terse ermine]

like?

[silver tundra]

Yeahhh

I really hope they make whole areas for these landmarks

them having their own bosses and environments to explore would be great

[paper mantle]

Blackwyrm?

[silver tundra]

I like to think the Blackbarrens is a place of prisoners,

[fading shard]

is it just some part of the wastes? is it a actual kingdom? is it a faction? is it just a landmark? is it hypothetically the kingdom of the blackwyrm

[silver tundra]

and the Blackwyrm is like a gulag of some sort

A gulag being a fight for freedom amongst prisoners

[fading shard]

listen if it has connection to the blackwyrm then that means it's a kingdom of theirs

if not then smth different

[paper mantle]

What is a gulag?

[silver tundra]

A fighting pit where whoever wins gets to be freed I think

[silver tundra]

But what's a Blackwyrm?

I know like a Wyrm is a form of a higher being

But Blackwyrm feels so weird since it's one word

since of Black Wyrm

[paper mantle]

A entire species of higher beings

[fading shard]

we literally have the pale king

who is distincly called the pale wyrm

by several characters

[silver tundra]

mmmmm

[fading shard]

a black wyrm would probably just be a wyrm that has some characteristics or stuff going on that would have it be called black

[fading shard]

this is ze'mer

[silver tundra]

emo wyrm

[fading shard]

one of the five great knights

[fading shard]

you cannot tell me she is not a anime girl

that doesn't even look like a bug

that looks like a human

without arms

[silver tundra]

Kinda like GMS

Humanoid designs in Hollow Knight always lowkey weirded me out

[silver tundra]

You know what else is Black?

[twin dragon]

ze'mer kinda looks plantoid to me

[silver tundra]

Lowkey yeah

[paper mantle]

Well, my perspective is:
Voltvyrm are worms
Grimm call Hallownest "fallowed by worm and root"
We say then that "wyrm" is used to refer either to the HB's race or to something whose shape resembles a worm or something that is one.

Similarly, "black" is used to refer to void:

Black fate
—Hornet

Black Egg Temple

Black stage
—Jiji

Black action
—Zi

So we need to find a creature that resembles a worm and has a connection to the Void, but sadly there isn't one...

Or that's what I would say if it weren't for the existence of the Void Tendrils
Its elongated shape and void composition... one would say upon seeing it that it is a black worm Except here it's "Blackwyrm" because is a name

If we assume that the Pale Court and the Pale King fought against this beast, then it would be an interesting biblical parallel.

In the Bible, God defeat the sea:

Salmo 74:13:
"It was you who split open the sea by your power; you broke the heads of the monster in the waters."

Similarly, the King would have defeated the Blackwyrm and thus gained control of the void

[fading shard]

actually that wouldn't be tooinsane

[twin dragon]

like and she's somehow tied to the flowers yk

plant kingdom

leaked

[fading shard]

wyrm and worm are seperate things

[fading shard]

Nubbie you genius

[twin dragon]

knights vs plants

[sinful nimbus]

Grimm calls PK a worm because its a wordplay about agriculture

Black is uh a color and not exclusively used in the context of the void

[paper mantle]

[twin dragon]

grand mother seed is actually a big sprinkler

[sinful nimbus]

Black Egg Temple for example isn't made out of void

Its made out of stone

[paper mantle]

Okay, here's another one...

[paper mantle]

Is not exclusive, yes, but can be used to refer to Void

[sinful nimbus]

Sure but that's kinda tenuous evidence

[twin dragon]

yk who else is BLACK?

phantom's head

therefore

phantom is void

[sinful nimbus]

Void tendrils also aren't like a single beast and idk why PK would fight them or what that would accomplish

[twin dragon]

star you dont get it its part of the big narrative plan

coming in 2029

[paper mantle]

-_-

I know that "black" is not exclusive to the void, but the fact that this word is used for emptiness is undeniable.

[paper mantle]

They don't have to count all the tentacles; he could have fought against just one in particular.

[sinful nimbus]

he and all the knights fought against one tendril in particular? 😭

[paper mantle]

Yeah

Very epic

Or no

Meh, no matter

[silver tundra]

I honesty agree with 90% of this up till the last part. I really like the idea of Blackwyrm being what people saw Void Tendrils as. I like to think people discovered void tendrils, somewhat understood that it’s an ancient thing hence the title Wyrm.

But I don’t think the Pale King would’ve been able to defeat it, or gain any kind of control over void. Despite his efforts, it’s shown from what I remember that Void cannot be contained and peoples research with it hadn’t gone far. The only person I think could control Void is the Knight.

Maybe the blackwyrm is something we’ll defeat in the DLC of Silksong? Do what the pale king couldn’t?

[paper mantle]

Keep in mind that the headlight beam is strong enough to keep the vacuum isolated.

Perhaps the King used a similar method to defeat the Blackwyrm?

[silver tundra]

Wdym vacuum?

[silver tundra]

Like he constructed a large lighthouse again to control Void?

[paper mantle]

Oh, sorry

I meant void

[paper mantle]

Or that the Wyrm's light was so powerful that it weakened him

[swift needle]

Me

As in skin colour

[foggy stratus]

Hornet.

[maiden meteor]

GMS has black body so she’s clearly void

[ionic void]

whys there genuenly a random room in the void

where we fight lostlace

[foggy stratus]

Cocoon made of Silk.

[ionic void]

oh lol i didnt pay attention

[foggy stratus]

To protect Lace from the angry oil.

[sinful nimbus]

a dual fight with the steel bugs who compress people into steel robots

tuff or not tuff

[spark valve]

the last compressors

[foggy fractal]

thats tuff

[limpid summit]

Honestly compressed enemies in an epilogue act would be cool if blackthreading didn’t exist

And compressed enemies would also just be cooler than blackthreading so why didn’t they just do that

[foggy fractal]

because team cherry is lazy

[covert night]

but but le void 😔

[sinful nimbus]

there's still time

crest of the assassin which replaces your bind with compress and lets you turn enemies into robots mid combat

then you compress GMS for a new ending

which gives a cliffhanger but is really cool

[near jasper]

Compressing 100 flies during broodmother fight

[craggy smelt]

Compress 82 fleas at the flea games

[craggy smelt]

we fight Sharpe and his two friends separately, and then all three of them at once

(then they combine into one giant steel bug with Sharpe's head)

[sinful nimbus]

You fight the two friends, then all of them at once, then sharpe solo where its revealed his buddies were holding him back all along

[craggy smelt]

he takes off his weighted armor

he gets an attack like GMS' screen-filling silk threads, but instead it's Sharpe's nose

[sinful nimbus]

Sharpe needs a nasty grab attack

[craggy smelt]

all of his nose attacks are automatically nasty

gonna be weird seeing Sharpe in silksong, especially if they make him a late-game boss and he's crazy fast

after only ever seeing that gif of him, where his attack tell is pretty obvious

[foggy fractal]

I wonder if we'll get that climb sequence with one of his buddies like we saw in reveal trailer

just in a different location presumably

[craggy smelt]

yeah, wonder how they'll work

maybe they randomly appear and attack you while you're on the steel storyline

I have wanted something like that, where you're going through an area and suddenly some extra random enemies spawn to make things a little more interesting

[near jasper]

Sharpe and seth chilling at the flea caravan after you do the steel city dlc storyline

[cyan blaze]

someone in another server reminded me of something

why does hornet not lose her memories of hallownest after leaving the kingdom

is it because she didn't leave it willingly or something

[sinful nimbus]

Bugs lose their entire mind (not just memories unless your an edge case like Quirrel who was magically protected) because they had it granted by the Pale King. Hornet naturally had sapience when she was born due to her heritage so the kingdom didn't really grant it, so it wouldn't be lost upon leaving

[cyan blaze]

makes sense