sk-lore

[terse ravine]

yeah but coral and sealife can grow everywhere if there's water... and might be different coral and different sealife than Karak, also Verdania is on the East but Moss Grotto shares similar bioma

[fading shard]

I do believe that too

it does seem that the head we see in hk

in the abyss (and in gohome)

will have some significance

personally I do theorize it's a higher being we'll get expanded upon

[fading shard]

listen we're done with coral gorge

[sick tinsel]

i dont really think that tbh, its probably just a creature formed of lifeblood and void, not a higher being or something

[fading shard]

team cherry said it themself

[fading shard]

void doesn't create it's own life shadax

you should know that

[sick tinsel]

collector

[fading shard]

we have creatires that adapted to the abyss

[fading shard]

created by the pale king

literally a failed kingsmould

[sick tinsel]

void tendrils

[fading shard]

literally said not to have a will

[sick tinsel]

he just gave him shape no ?

[fading shard]

literally said not to be a living thing

people talk about the void tendrals

[terse ravine]

as if karak is the only sea themed place on this world, easily they can make a new one with different coral and sealife, not that hard

[fading shard]

but we get confirmation that hte void just mindlessly attacks

[sick tinsel]

i cant really defen what i said

[flat palm]

Like I said, it could be mollusks instead of coral

[sick tinsel]

but lifeblood is most likely related to a dream dreatures

[fading shard]

""...It is the void, stretched up into this world and its husks. I know it well, that force, its nature. If it senses soul, it will drive voracious towards it.""

"Fragments of void taking the shape of sharp, thrashing tendrils."

"Lashing fragments of pure darkness, shaped into sharpened tentacles."

[sick tinsel]

why did u send that twice

nvm

[fading shard]

not a living thing

[flat palm]

I think of void tendrils like a crowd of zombies forming a spire to climb that wall in World War Z, only here it's void particles instead of zombies

[fading shard]

The reason they attacked hornet in the first placed is because as hornet stated here:

[fading shard]

what

the abyss and the void don't have mind

nor do they have a will

the ancient civilization and lemm state so

alongside the pale king

[flat palm]

I didn't mean as in they're a living thing

[fading shard]

""Inspired or mad, those ancient bugs. They devoted their worship to no lord, or power, or strength, but to the very darkness itself.""

[flat palm]

Only they form those structures to reach the attractor

[fading shard]

""...No will... No self... Shade...""

[sick tinsel]

nice example

[fading shard]

I must inform the both of you I sadly am incultured and to not get hte example

[sick tinsel]

i think this one is about the knight

[fading shard]

this was about a arcane egg

in silksong

with no relation to the vessels

especially since the knight is confirmed to have a will

[sick tinsel]

i thought its the shade beast dialogue

before voidheart

[fading shard]

no

the dialogue from the shade beast is lord of shades

[sick tinsel]

thats after void heart

[fading shard]

before that is that the void is scattered

[sick tinsel]

yea i know

[fading shard]

the knight is confirmed to have a will before voidheart as jinn (from steel soul) states so

and the other vessels are said to have lingering wills

so they all are by no means hollow or empty like the void

[sick tinsel]

yea i know

[fading shard]

so void by all means is just not alive

[fading shard]

the only examples of void life are from the pale king

he created the kingsmoulds, wingsmoulds and whatever else with the crude use of soul and void alongside runes

imprinting upon them a purpose

[terse ravine]

Mollusks and crustaceans inhabit coral ecosystems, they are literally underwater cities and a vital part of the marine life. I see an area where both part shine together. And tbf, I really just want to see an underwater landscape as beautiful and vibrant as Coral Gorge was going to be, and I'm dying to see what they'll bring us in Sea of ​​Sorrow

[flat palm]

So void tendrils are magnets on hyperdrive

[fading shard]

what does that even mean

[flat palm]

Attracted to soul

Not necessarily alive

[fading shard]

the void just has a destructive nature

as hornet states it's the thing "The void that will claim all things"

and when it sense soul it automatically goes to destroy it

and soul just so happens to be inside almost every single living being

[flat palm]

Btw I'm not disagreeing with you. I don't think it's alive either

[fading shard]

ik

I'm just elaborating

I'm not trying to imply you're disagreeing with me, I just wanted to talk more about it is all

[fading shard]

I feel the obligation to ask what even is your point?

[flat palm]

I think he just hopes we see more coral

Doesn't need to be related to karak

[limpid summit]

I mean it was

It’s been coming down for generations and the haunting didn’t start until they got more silk

It was probably diluted or something

Maybe they reached deeper into the cradle to get the silk they put inside bugs

[sick tinsel]

ye

[limpid summit]

There’s nothing else that could have

This is what we have

[twin dragon]

conductors lacking on their job

[limpid summit]

Yes

[sick tinsel]

high chance we will

especially if sharpe gets added

[twin dragon]

why deeper the cradle's a humongous loom

[limpid summit]

Which would have happened because the citadel was automated and they wouldn’t need to give orders anymore

[twin dragon]

all of the silk is mother's

[fading shard]

seems as though shakras village is just far enough to be outside of gms influence though my friend

not related to the uhh topic

just wanted to say that

[limpid summit]

Leading them to want to become immortal

[twin dragon]

Which didnt actually get to happen as there were still pilgrims in the halls coming in and singing

[limpid summit]

What about it

[limpid summit]

Yeah?

[fading shard]

Just wondering where it's located cause the hunter's journal states that they come from pharlooms edge

[limpid summit]

They weren’t gonna be like okay pilgrims can all go home now no more pilgrimage

[twin dragon]

Brother thats what they needed em for

[limpid summit]

Pilgrims still had use as added fodder + silkflies when they died

[fading shard]

somewhere

[limpid summit]

The cogwork core was the perfect unfaltering voice

[twin dragon]

"Added fodder"

and thats mantained costs

[limpid summit]

It was enacted

[twin dragon]

it wasnt

[fading shard]

I mean it polluted the water

[twin dragon]

never activated

[fading shard]

dregs fell from hte sky

[twin dragon]

as architect states

[fading shard]

polluted the enviroment

and generations later the pilgrims and a lot of species were born with silk within them

because of the stupidity of the citadel

[twin dragon]

they literally couldve sent all of the pilgrims to the underworks and ball with it

[fading shard]

we both agree on that apple egg (btw hope you're doing good mate)

[sick tinsel]

common L citadel

[limpid summit]

She’s a bit inconsistent with it

Impressive-industrious... eternal... You have seen a glimpse, Bug-Red, of us-s-s, how once we were. The minds of Architects inspired. What majesty we did create...

and I trust the finality of the Conductors more honestly

[fading shard]

I swear if the pale king was in pharloom instead of gms he would have created his true eternal kingdom

[twin dragon]

Also btw

where did you find the conductor snippet

[limpid summit]

Wdym

The edict?

[twin dragon]

How is she inconsistent when saying this

[twin dragon]

ye

[terse ravine]

Just that perhaps the underwater area of ​​SoW will be as vibrant and alive as Coral Gorge was intended to be, but with its own style, colors, and species. Marine life is vast and diverse, and this is the perfect expansion to bring us a 100% explorable area that makes us feel the way CG would have. Whether or not there are corals is irrelevant to my point tbh, but they could be included for the sake of consistency with these ecosystems

[sick tinsel]

unlikly tbh

[limpid summit]

Nubbie why would they make innumerable cogwork animatronics that help to sustain before they finished the core if the core was never operational

[fading shard]

I mean it'll have a ocean vibe

[sick tinsel]

i dont think khann wouldve approved

[limpid summit]

The core did work

[sinful nimbus]

Is this about the "almost finished" still

[fading shard]

the pale king literally somehow made peace with every tribe in hallownest

I'd say he'd be capable of doing the same in pharloom

[twin dragon]

They were also there to fucking make the core and stuff dont forget, and the core needed constant maintainement either way doesnt change jack

[terse ravine]

Yeah, just i'd love if its very living instead of decaying and dark

[sick tinsel]

would be cool

[twin dragon]

such a colossal structure needed some maintenance

[sick tinsel]

pharloom under pale king wouldve been more eco friendly

[twin dragon]

also the choir clappers wtv they were supposed to do were dormant

till hornet woke em up

not the clappers

the uh

ball

thingies

[flat palm]

was he harder to reason with than Herrah?

[limpid summit]

Automaton built in the shape of a scuttling bug. Its back contains retractable pins, intended to cut song cylinders free of any obstruction.

Steam shooting automaton, forged to clean the Cogwork Core and keep it free of infestation.

And so on
This is a ridiculous amount of infrastructure for a WIP?

[flat palm]

sounds like a similar situation

[twin dragon]

Im telling you

it was finished or almost finished

just never put to work due to circumstances or wtv

the core still needed maintenance during that time or during its construction

[sick tinsel]

wha

[fading shard]

as I said "He made sure his kingdom wouldn't impact the environment and ecosystem around them, creating safe means of disposing waste and trash without endangering the wildlife, making sure that the species in hallownest could still thrive and live in their ecosystems"

[limpid summit]

I don’t agree

If you admit it might have been finished what’s the point

[fading shard]

I made a very gigantic thing regarding the pale kings pros and cons as a individual

[limpid summit]

Why would the conductors make the edict

The supreme authority of the citadel

[fading shard]

honestly one day it'd be cool to see apple eggs opinion on it

[sick tinsel]

yea i agree

[twin dragon]

Because it was finished

[limpid summit]

If this thing didn’t really happen yet

[twin dragon]

never set to work

[sick tinsel]

i wonder how the citadel would look if it was built by the PK

[fading shard]

just hallownest

[limpid summit]

My opinion on what mb

[fading shard]

something I wrote about hte pk

[sick tinsel]

maybe

[fading shard]

in the future

[flat palm]

Karak sounds similar to Deepnest to me, in terms of being a hostile kingdom. But I'm not aware of it's deeper lore (if there's any)

[fading shard]

I mean he invented a ton of technology the weavers hadn't

[twin dragon]

either the 12th archi was so far away from what her ancestors could, or the haunting struck before the core was put to work

[limpid summit]

The core remains to sustain the song, but no more Architects to tend-toil or build anew.

So they just made it and didn’t use it?

[fading shard]

seriously how did he create tredmills but the weavers didn't

[twin dragon]

where is this from

[limpid summit]

Nubbie let me tell you how I see it

I understand if you disagree

May I explain

[limpid summit]

Uhhh

Twelfth I think

[sick tinsel]

the weavers was probably MORE advanced than the PK

[limpid summit]

Forget when

[twin dragon]

No i understand apple

[sick tinsel]

but majority of them left and took what they took

[twin dragon]

but

with architect explicitely saying

unfinished

instead of ruptured or broken

[fading shard]

we can only compare pharloom and hallownest

[twin dragon]

it makes me think otherwise

we can agree to disagree right here

[fading shard]

and hallownest and pharloom are on par on technology

I think apple egg could agree

there's some things one had more on then the other

[twin dragon]

i'd say pharloom kinda mogs

[sick tinsel]

no

[twin dragon]

mainly in metalworking

[sick tinsel]

sorry thats wrong

[flat palm]

different approaches to soul magic, for one

[twin dragon]

but there's also the possibility that the good shit in hallownest came from the weavers

[sinful nimbus]

this is about the device that plays architects melody tbf

[fading shard]

name something pharloom has, hallownest doesn't

[fading shard]

no???

[sinful nimbus]

slavery

[twin dragon]

Which i assume is the main thing of the core

[limpid summit]

Tbf

[sick tinsel]

huge machines running an entire city

[limpid summit]

I think that can be excused by writing at diff points or just an architect quirk

[sinful nimbus]

well there are also giant psalm cylinders to read

[fading shard]

crystal golems

powered by batteries

[limpid summit]

It says words a lot that are like substitutes or slight deviations

[fading shard]

instead of the souls of silkflies

[twin dragon]

Which plays the melody

[limpid summit]

And sometimes it switches them around

Here abhiker explain what you’re saying while I type up my timeline

[sinful nimbus]

No that's the puzzle

[sick tinsel]

these dig up amethyst no ?

[fading shard]

instead of using the literal souls of their people, using actual batteries to power your automatons

[fading shard]

yeah

we see them around

have a whole crystal heart

[twin dragon]

I guess but like why would tc do this for an important piece of evidence

[limpid summit]

Idk

[fading shard]

what else does pharloom have hallownest doesn't

[sick tinsel]

paid benches

[twin dragon]

Its related

actually

what is the puzzle even

[fading shard]

that's I mean that's true but that's not technological

[sick tinsel]

robots running of silk

[twin dragon]

i'd imagine the cylinders

[sinful nimbus]

idk if comparing Pharloom and Hallownest technologically makes sense

[twin dragon]

slavery vs minor slavery

obv slavery mogs

[fading shard]

they are very similar starpengu

[sick tinsel]

strong robotic warrior (2nd sentiel)

[twin dragon]

pharloom has finer pins and greater metal-based infrastructure

[sinful nimbus]

Half of the Citadel's technology is just slaverymaxxing because they needed to keep an evil god in check

[twin dragon]

which are signs of advanced metalworking

[sinful nimbus]

Hallownest didn't have slavery

[twin dragon]

systemic slavery for maggots or wtv

[sinful nimbus]

did not exist

[twin dragon]

ok pale king

[sick tinsel]

and far more advanced hospitals

[flat palm]

the basement of soul sanctum does remind me of whiteward, in that regard

[fading shard]

the maggots were quote on quote "had forced labor jobs

[twin dragon]

"hospitals" but they did heal sooo

there's some success rate

[fading shard]

the pale king literally was opposed to the soul sanctum

the soul master and sanctum literally stated he stood in their way

[sinful nimbus]

it says they were "generally" looked down upon and forced to do menial labor yeah

[fading shard]

and opposed everything they did

[flat palm]

no no I'm not saying it was the kings doing

just that it's a similar concept

[limpid summit]

-Cogwork core is created and runs
-Conductors announce its creation, say their last edict (which they probably wouldn’t say unless they were absolutely sure the song could be maintained, it was their absolute last edict)
-Now with nothing to do, they were worried they wouldn’t be needed or wanted to mess around forever so they repurposed Whiteward, drawing from the cradle directly
-The silk in that moment directly from GMS, when injected into bugs, activated the silk stored inside them, more minds in GMS web meant she could more easily quell the song, maybe she had Lace and Lace helped dismantle the core, she could have done a number of things
-Citadel goes silent, she’s now fully stirring, reactivates it to try and capture Weavers

[fading shard]

"some" consider that as slavery

[twin dragon]

Which likely paid nothing in proportion to the job

[sinful nimbus]

"Generally" means it wasn't institutional and while maggots were discriminated against describing that as slavery is bizarre

[limpid summit]

Generally means systemic racism

[sick tinsel]

i mean some hospitals irl did the same

[limpid summit]

PK couldn’t stop that

[twin dragon]

Hold on, what do you think the whiteward was before?

[limpid summit]

Just the siphon

Creating silkflies etc

[fading shard]

hallownest is a lot less fancy but it's showcased to have simillar technology

[limpid summit]

Conductors made it into the silk stuffing lab

[twin dragon]

I mean i dont think that it was after the core

they likely started experimenting

and the gms loom was likely around when weavers were

[limpid summit]

Their experiments gave GMS minds I don’t think they’d be able to build the core with GMS stirring

[twin dragon]

Yeah but that happened over hundreds of years twin

silk has been passed through generations

[limpid summit]

No it didn’t

[twin dragon]

it did

[limpid summit]

Yeah

Beginning of Weaver era down

Hundreds of years doesn’t mean anything that doesn’t exist

[twin dragon]

and likely now bugs living far longer than usual those generations far in-between

[fading shard]

elevators, trams, stag stations, automatons, tremills, crushers, cogs, acid computers, tablets, plumbing, pipes, saunas, speakers

[twin dragon]

??

[fading shard]

I can keep going regarding hallownests technology

[limpid summit]

There is no mention of years

[fading shard]

I checked ALL of the citadel

[twin dragon]

Not years but like

yk

[limpid summit]

It’s generations sure but bugs have different lifespans

[twin dragon]

a lot of time

[fading shard]

and 90% of their technology has to do with automatons

[limpid summit]

Yeah yeah

[fading shard]

that's it

they have cogs

[limpid summit]

What abt it though

[fading shard]

and spikes and steam

but hallownest also possessed those

[twin dragon]

they couldve perfectly have built the core within that time period

along with

loooots of shit they did

with silk

like training bugs to use it

[fading shard]

I don't think you guys can disagree with me on this

[twin dragon]

getting it into bugs

plus

the entire religion of the citadel seems to be based on the silk

[sick tinsel]

where

[twin dragon]

and its sacred status

I'd say the whiteward craze started very early

after they saw what weavers could do with silk

[sick tinsel]

tbh even if hallownest was less advanced its way better than pharloom to live in

[twin dragon]

yeah obviously

atp let me live in a shack in the wastes

least ill be free there

[fading shard]

we literally see them in the city of tears

we see spike technology in whatever the christ the pale kings guilt manifest was

also in the royal waterways

[sick tinsel]

these are just decoration

[fading shard]

it's only less advanced in metal working

as hornet states

[twin dragon]

No she doesnt state anything else tbf

she only compares metalworking but generally machine-wise pharloom's better

[fading shard]

"This kingdom appears more advanced in metalwork than my own ever was, in great part due to the natural heat source at its base. Working in such an environment is an impressive feat."

[sick tinsel]

pharloom was better in weaponry and soul usage

[twin dragon]

Yeah aside from that

[sick tinsel]

weavenests are big examples

[fading shard]

wdym weaponry??

hallownest literally fought in battles

[twin dragon]

yeah pharloom weaponry mogs

[sick tinsel]

silkshot, silk snare etc

[fading shard]

pharlooms choir is stated to have subjugated their people

[twin dragon]

much better pins, clankers

[fading shard]

okay comparing pins to nails is a joke right?

[twin dragon]

if hallownest won it would be because they have overpowered bums on their side

[twin dragon]

yeah pins mog

easily

[sick tinsel]

real

second sentiel is tuff

[twin dragon]

much more maneuverable, agile and as deadly

[sick tinsel]

hallownest dosent use only nails

[twin dragon]

if you know anything about swords and weaponry in general you would know

[flat palm]

how to win a war as Hallownest: deploy moving saws all over the battlefields

[fading shard]

that's just......wrong

[sick tinsel]

aura farm

[twin dragon]

it is

[fading shard]

have you guys read the journal entries

[twin dragon]

they have overpowered bums

on their side

and a supporting king

[fading shard]

hallownests army is stated to have been trained in protecting it's people

pharlooms choir was created to subjugate their people

they didn't deal with battle

[sick tinsel]

no these are not army members

those are city guards

[fading shard]

neither are the choir?

[sick tinsel]

more of a police

[fading shard]

that's just

what

[flat palm]

I wonder if kingsmolds were ever used in battle

[sick tinsel]

the choir actually fought in battles

[fading shard]

they didn't

they literally didn't

[sick tinsel]

pale king personal guards maybe

[sick tinsel]

wars against kerak ?

[fading shard]

......Ogrim literally states hallownest had many glories and battles are we serious

[fading shard]

the karak were taken out by gms

they literally state so

wdym

[twin dragon]

To "protect" yeah but doesnt mean jack shit when your tech is limited

[sick tinsel]

oh

[fading shard]

"Disciple of the Choir, charged to maintain its perfect order, by sharp pin if necessary."

they literally subjugated it's people it's said in game

the second sentinels USE was to kidnap bugs

[twin dragon]

soo??

[fading shard]

They didn't defend shit

[flat palm]

I had the impression Hallownest favored soul over technology, but didn't lack in either field

[foggy stratus]

Which one is this?

[twin dragon]

wars are often wars based on technology

[fading shard]

reed

[twin dragon]

in which pharloom mogs easily

[sick tinsel]

wasent it to opress others but changed ?

[twin dragon]

Plus the police force was trained by who, other crude nail wielders?

[fading shard]

" the sentinels ventured, even beyond these walls, to see all bugs brought-forced safe to serve the Citadel."

[fading shard]

quirrel and the hunter give them respect

[sick tinsel]

yeah thats opression

[twin dragon]

they didnt train anyone and the hunter isnt even a weapon wielder

[foggy stratus]

He might have at one point.

[fading shard]

"I'd be cautious around them my short friend. Their training will not have been forgotten. This city presents some formidable foes."

"enjoyable to hunt, but beware them in packs."

[sick tinsel]

he seems more of a strategy guy

[fading shard]

"Dances through the air just out of reach until it spots an opening, then swoops in for a decisive strike"

[fading shard]

the hunter is literally a extremely powerful and skilled warrior in hallownest are we being serious shadax

[foggy stratus]

He mentions weapon sharpening in the Goam entry.

[fading shard]

We get confirmation by different sources that the sentries were well trained

and to be dealt with and you guys ignore those statements

because it doesn't fit your narrative?

[sick tinsel]

yea

i didnt deny this

but we can assume he ambushed some bugs without a weapon

[near jasper]

Whats the Topic rn

[fading shard]

so why ignore the statements from two seperate sources that state that hallownests protectors were skilled

and a force to be wreckened with especially when in numbers

yk something that a army is supposed to be

[sick tinsel]

i didnt say they arent skilled i just said they arent really of an army

armies arent supposed to stay only in the capital

[fading shard]

they aren't..

you can actually see several of them across hallownest

[sick tinsel]

all close to city of tears

guarding its entries

[fading shard]

they fought in battles shadax

ogrim states and talks about multiple great glories hallownest had

[sick tinsel]

maybe

[fading shard]

and says about more

and then mentions the pale court

"FILLED WITH MANY HEROES"

[foggy stratus]

Has it occurred to you that they might have been recalled to the capital as the Infection worsened?

[sick tinsel]

where is this stated

[fading shard]

the gates were closed

and everybody was in lockdown

it's said in a lore tablet

[sick tinsel]

maybe

its not stated directly

[foggy stratus]

It isnt flat out said, but thats what happens during a crisis. You recall soldiers to solidify control of the capital.

[sick tinsel]

fair point

[fading shard]

we see them in both the resting grounds

'some corpses of them in fungal wastes

in ancient basin

and some protecting great knight ismas grove

[kindred ingot]

what's the topic now?

[fading shard]

probably by the request of ogrim

[fading shard]

so I feel as though shadax

that's good enough evidence isn't it?

[sick tinsel]

yeah

i completly forgot about isma grove

[kindred ingot]

what's with Isma's Grove

[near jasper]

[sick tinsel]

but i think its just guarding the elevator not exactly the grove

[fading shard]

they aren't in the elevator

[sick tinsel]

since its technically an enterance

[fading shard]

it's far from the elevator

[sick tinsel]

near it

[fading shard]

they are literally past the sign that ogrim has

regarding ismas grove

[kindred ingot]

what are yall talking about?

[fading shard]

I think it's rather fair to say that they were guarding the grove

[sick tinsel]

idk i dont remember the map

[fading shard]

we see literal sentries guarding the elevator

as winged sentries

[near jasper]

Are there any near the crossroads elevator

[fading shard]

no

[fading shard]

besides shadax there is a quite literal enemy Called the GUARD

said to GUARD

why would they have a enemy that is said to GUARD

and then have the sentries

"The remains of a great Hallownest Crossguard, animated by a strange force. Instinct still drives it to guard its post against intruders."

[kindred ingot]

what even is the discussion about

[fading shard]

stuff

[kindred ingot]

fair

[fading shard]

have I proven my point

[sick tinsel]

yea

[fading shard]

on the sentries of hallownest not just being "police man"

[kindred ingot]

you mean this guy?

ok so this guy's role was to guard the Crossroads specifically

[flat palm]

whether or not hallownest has a skilled army and not just glorified city guards

[kindred ingot]

(and some other places, considering how we see them in Fog Canyon)

[fading shard]

we also see them near queens garden too

[fading shard]

they are just supposed to be guards in general

[flat palm]

I think it's fairly certain they had a skilled army

[fading shard]

thank you soma

[kindred ingot]

the Sentries seem to be an army, yes

they're guards too, but they're an army

[fading shard]

I think is officially our 10th encounter sashimi

[sick tinsel]

i think they love tea parties

[fading shard]

after all we see them in several locals

that aren't just the city

[kindred ingot]

they just serve as guards and policebugs while there are no wars happening

[fading shard]

or a gaurd location

[kindred ingot]

good to know, Abhiker

[fading shard]

.

[flat palm]

I'm not sure if it's right to assume this but maybe they had void troops too

[distant mason]

Not sure if its the correct channel, but here's my head canon for the sea of sorrow;

First of all, act 4 is pretty much confirmed. If you dont think so, I can easily explain:

1. Its out of character for hornet to just leave kingdom to rot from her hands
2. "To be continued" is likely implied to act 4, since, you know, Im pretty sure we arent getting any more HK games

The theory:

Since act 4 is most likely focused on plasmium/fate of the pharloom after the haunting, Im pretty sure hornet will go on to sea of sorrow either just for an adventure after saving kingdom, or to retrieve a cure for plasmium

Theory for 1: Same as before, it would be VERY careless for hornet to just go on an adventure while kingdom is dying from plasmium plague. So, if plasmium actually took over pharloom, hornet wont go there for no reason.

Theory for 2 (I lean more on this one): Hornet goes on an adventure to retrieve a cure to destroy plasmium, likely because somebody told her to. Perhaps Zylotol dialogue rework, or somebody else who knows a lot, like a weaver

(Sorry if this theory is super overused, Im not very smart)

[fading shard]

they atp just protect hallownest in general

[kindred ingot]

ok but what are they even doing there

[fading shard]

protecting various hallownest territory

[kindred ingot]

nah, there probably won't be an act 4

I hope there isn't

[distant mason]

Read plz

[kindred ingot]

3 acts is enough

[fading shard]

they had the kingsmoulds

[sick tinsel]

act 4 is gonna be peak if it happens

[kindred ingot]

I did that

and I still think there won't be an act 4

[distant mason]

Yes, but there is no space for any dlc to happen in act 2 or 3

The world is already full, hornet has too many responsibilities. If its going to be an extension of act 3, it wouldnt make any sense.

[fading shard]

I do wonder if ogrim just asked some to protect ismas grove

or if they just did so

out of their own volition

[sinful nimbus]

wym the world is full

[fading shard]

since isma is a superior of theirs

[sick tinsel]

im thinking it would more based of both plasmium and city of steel

[sinful nimbus]

there are bigger gaming worlds out there

[kindred ingot]

wdym there's no space, there's always space for more stuff

[sinful nimbus]

act 3 is also kinda sparse on the content atm

[kindred ingot]

look at the Flea Festival

look at the Abortion quest

[fading shard]

that is honestly a wide agreement by most

act 3 has cool stuff

[distant mason]

Hornet wouldn't just say "Screw that, I'm going to do stupid stuff"

[distant mason]

Oh

Dang

[fading shard]

she would

[distant mason]

Right

[fading shard]

she absolutely would

[kindred ingot]

we can and have gotten more stuff even if Hornet has responsibilities

[sinful nimbus]

Assumedly Lifeblood is also gonna be stopped in Sea of Sorrow (at least in pharloom) so idk why it would be ooc for hornet to go on an adventure

[fading shard]

are we forgetting hornet is the same person who's extremely flawed as a person

[kindred ingot]

Hornet is well-known for seeing a responsibility and going "I will procrastinate that as much as I possibly can"

[distant mason]

That doesn't counts, she wanted to help somebody, and she didn't knew this would happen

[sick tinsel]

why are yall focused on plasmium but not city of steel

its a bigger fish to fry

[sinful nimbus]

one is announced as a DLC the other is not

[fading shard]

she literally goes to take a forth heart for fun

just to test "her skills"

and yes we as the player do so

[kindred ingot]

cuz the DLC doesn't point at City of Steel

[fading shard]

but the player isn't a thing in silksong

[flat palm]

because that's probably it's own dlc

[blissful harbor]

cause the steel clan is gonna be a 3rd game ofc

[sick tinsel]

were getting answers for one but not for the other

[blissful harbor]

i mean the basically confirmed the steel dlc

[sick tinsel]

so investing in city of steel is better

[kindred ingot]

?

[sinful nimbus]

yeah but there's not like an entire trailer

[distant mason]

Yeah, but its going to be a huge adventure, flea festival is pretty short compared to a WHOLE ASS ADVENTURE to the different kingdom

• When you try leaving pharloom, she'll say she has too many responsibilities to do so

[blissful harbor]

sharpe is “waiting in the wings”

[sick tinsel]

we are eventually getting plasmium

[fading shard]

sharpe and the assassins

[kindred ingot]

oh yeah true

[fading shard]

and team cherry promised that they'd added them

[twin dragon]

therefore act 2 or act 4

[fading shard]

alongside the lion village

[sinful nimbus]

Lifeblood is also a threat to Pharloom's well being though

[kindred ingot]

no act 4

[sick tinsel]

act 4 ?

[flat palm]

Godhome didn't come with grimm troupe. There's room for different things to happen in different dlc

[kindred ingot]

trust me, we won't be getting an act 4

they're not gonna be remaking the whole map AGAIN

and it would SUCK ASS if they did

an act 4 would NOT be fun

[fading shard]

I mean listen the pale king handled lifeblood just fine

[kindred ingot]

it's better to just make act 3 more fun

[sick tinsel]

they do NOT have to remake it sashimi

[fading shard]

and even removed it from all hallownest territories in game

[blissful harbor]

you don’t have to

[fading shard]

I'm sure pharloom will be fine

star

[sinful nimbus]

pale king never interacted with the stuff as far as we know

[blissful harbor]

act 2 didnt wildly change the map

[sick tinsel]

just add more areas

[blissful harbor]

it just added the citadel

like sea of sorrows could with the bay

[sinful nimbus]

Partly because Lifeblood didn't do allat in HK

[sick tinsel]

a content expansion gonna be peak

[kindred ingot]

also what would act 4 even be like?
like, the main plot point is gone

[fading shard]

we get info that those who interact with the stuff are heretics

and that using lifeblood in general is taboo

[distant mason]

My theory for act 4:

First 40-50% is going to be sea of sorrow/plasmium related stuff
Next, 20-30% is going to be city of steel (Post apocalypse adventure basically)
The rest of the game is going to show pharloom being rebuilt and godhome

Just a theory tho

[fading shard]

and all lifeblood caccoons

[distant mason]

EXACTLY
EXACTLY

EXACTLY

[fading shard]

are not on hallownest territory

[sinful nimbus]

Joni in particular is but cmon that's incredibly tenuous

[kindred ingot]

exactly what

[sick tinsel]

additional content

[fading shard]

and I checked

[sick tinsel]

it would be what silksong was supposed to be for og hk

[blissful harbor]

hornet has fucked with the void
masters no like
in pharloom bay we get hints of them
come full force in act 4 with the steel dlc

[fading shard]

not a single one

[kindred ingot]

ngl having a whole act that's just "shenanigans" would kinda suck

[distant mason]

There isn't anything left for hornet to do, so, instead of rotting, she goes on an adventure
Or, plasmium infection!

[blissful harbor]

it’s already established the masters will be after hornet for void

[flat palm]

"act" implies a part of a larger story

[sinful nimbus]

There's still Lifeblood in Hallownest and Hornet saw plasmification in Hallownest apparently (Don't question it) and even if the Pale King dealt with it he's not in Pharloom

[flat palm]

it makes no sense to have dlc be an act

when the story is over

[distant mason]

Is 5-6 DLCs worth of story isnt enough for ya?

[fading shard]

btw star may I perchance add you on discord

[kindred ingot]

that sounds like a third game, not an act 4

[fading shard]

we have known each other for roughly...months now

[sinful nimbus]

Sure

[sick tinsel]

and for most games that have a chapter thing, they dont just say "chapter 3" if its the end of the game

[kindred ingot]

a "larger story", not "5-6 disconnected stories"

[fading shard]

idk man let's just memory the pale king up

[flat palm]

And we don't need a separate act for them

[fading shard]

and he'll just banish lifeblood XD

[flat palm]

act 3 could do just fine

[kindred ingot]

acts are a movie term, and yes, the last act is the 3rd

[sinful nimbus]

True

[distant mason]

Sea of sorrow+plasmium infection+city of steel+godhome+possibly grimm troupe is either act 4 or a separate game

[kindred ingot]

all of that could be act 3 with no issues

[distant mason]

Where would you put them? Act 3 isnt it for sure

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet finds a brand new shaman grabs the 4th heart and finds an anti lifeblood flower in her memory

[sick tinsel]

would be more convenient to call it "act final"

[kindred ingot]

or act 2 + 3

[foggy stratus]

Act bloat.

[distant mason]

bro
Pharloom is going to be doomed in that time

[kindred ingot]

no it wouldn't cuz that's not the actual term

[flat palm]

why would they do a third infection in the same map

[fading shard]

exactly

[flat palm]

map expansion?

[kindred ingot]

act 3 is kinda empty tho

[sinful nimbus]

They kinda already did

[sick tinsel]

its probably gonna be just an expansion bro

[blissful harbor]

act 3 has nothing but the hearts to be honest

[distant mason]

PHARLOOM IS DOOMED IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT LONG

[flat palm]

that's what I'm saying, basically

[fading shard]

true

[fading shard]

act 3 has very little content imo

[flat palm]

point is there doesn't need to be a separate act for dlc because the "act" designation refers to the pharloom story

[distant mason]

I feel like its the whole point of act 3
You are in rush, everything is going to get destroyed if you wont be fast

[fading shard]

I'll say this much we won't be facing the masters themselves in silksong

[fading shard]

Because it wouldn't make any sense

hornet is not that strong

[kindred ingot]

look, the next dlcs will be content expansion, not brand new acts
cuz a brand new act doesn't make any sense
the story ends in Sister of the Void, everything that happens after would be a brand new story and that would be a brand new game

[blissful harbor]

youre in a rush but here’s this fucking festival

[kindred ingot]

the Flea Festival:

[flat palm]

thank you

[sinful nimbus]

Team Cherry talking about how Sharpe would be too overwhelming with how much content there is in the game after rushing Act 3 and the quest systems and putting literally nothing in them

[sick tinsel]

it shouldent be something related to pharloom at all

[fading shard]

like even if you don't take this "Recall, the fate of those who defy... Even you higher... Especially you higher..." as them talking about higher beings i'ts still a really horrifying statement

and given jinns statement

[kindred ingot]

then you want a new game

[sinful nimbus]

Sharpe has aura

[sick tinsel]

i dont think were getting one

[sinful nimbus]

Upscale my man as much as possible in the DLC

[distant mason]

Still I think act 4 is very possible
The "to be continued", sea of sorrow, steel city and possible plasmium threat is more than enough evidence

[kindred ingot]

then it's not gonna happen

[blissful harbor]

steel city 3rd game is real

[sick tinsel]

were getting something closer to a huge content expansion

[fading shard]

"The It is not inferior. Perhaps... different? Different to Jinn. More complete? Different... like masters?"

[sick tinsel]

thats all

[flat palm]

you talk like you couldn't access godhome before finishing HK

[kindred ingot]

the "to be continued" is a BIT

[fading shard]

And sulas

[blissful harbor]

don’t let them lie to u

[fading shard]

and HORNETS

[sick tinsel]

who we are gonna play with ? lace ?

[fading shard]

I'm just gonna say it we are not facing the masters

[fading shard]

we are not playing as hornet though

[distant mason]

I feel like its because devs didnt knew how to make act 3 not feel empty

[blissful harbor]

new character

[fading shard]

Bro lace is getting killed by the masters in 10 seconds

[sick tinsel]

why not zote

[blissful harbor]

horrible idea never cook again

[fading shard]

may I take you back to the affirmentioned zi statement

[blissful harbor]

THK i could get behind

[sick tinsel]

he died :(

[blissful harbor]

they are strangely absent from the endings

[fading shard]

Listen guys we'd have to play as the KNIGHT again

[foggy stratus]

Comically large T.

[fading shard]

if we were to face the masters

[kindred ingot]

pal the whole series is THK's spinoff already

[fading shard]

as jinn compares them to one another

[sinful nimbus]

Upscale Sharpe by making him kill White Lady and the Pale King
Upgrade the flying one by making it wipe out the Ancient Civilization
Make the lame one no one cares about comic relief

[blissful harbor]

they didn’t in EtV

[kindred ingot]

it*

[distant mason]

The thing is, its related to the story. What kind of ending do you expect silksong godhome to have?

[sick tinsel]

can we confirm it is canon tho

its 50%

[kindred ingot]

all endings are canon

is it canon to Silksong? idk

[fading shard]

star why would they do that to the steel assassins they already upscaled the masters

[kindred ingot]

could be afawk

[fading shard]

why would they also upscale the minions

[sinful nimbus]

Cuz it would be tuff

[sick tinsel]

sealed siblings and the basic ending :

[flat palm]

how would I know? We don't even know what it's gonna be like at all

[foggy stratus]

Still canon.

[sick tinsel]

how

[fading shard]

wasn't the masters taking out a bunch of higher beings in the past not enough

[kindred ingot]

canon to HK1
not to Silksong

[foggy stratus]

Team Cherry said so.

[flat palm]

for all we know it could be a memory thing and not a dream realm

[kindred ingot]

TC explicitly said all endings are canon

[sinful nimbus]

Sharpe had so much aura before release and him being mysteriously absent in the game but with a ton of buildup added to the legend

[foggy stratus]

And Silksong is not the arbiter of what's canon.

[distant mason]

Kill all 4 heart bosses and they say "Screw that, they can be sacrificed for nothing"

[sinful nimbus]

They did it through Sharpe

Hornet will break down in tears upon stumbling upon a compressed White Lady

[sick tinsel]

its a confirmed sequel

[sinful nimbus]

Then do a little dance of joy upon seeing a compressed Pale King ("Only a fool believes the void can be fashioned to do their bidding")

[fading shard]

XDD

[foggy stratus]

Still doesn't determine what's canon about the first game. And again Team Cherry said they're all canon.

[fading shard]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

[foggy fractal]

is shakesphere really dead?

🤔

[kindred ingot]

my theory is that Godhome will add another ending, but it won't be right after getting to the top of the pantheon
it'll be like the Sealed Siblings ending in HK1 where the ending changes if you do smth

[sick tinsel]

ur no fun man :(

[kindred ingot]

it's a spinoff

[fading shard]

what about jinn saying the lord of shades is more complete and better like the masters?

[foggy stratus]

Womp womp.

[sinful nimbus]

TC also said they would account for all endings in the same comment I don't think they really care about it

[fading shard]

were they talking about my boy sharpe all along :O

[sick tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/red-red-emoji-angry-emoji-raised-fist-fist-gif-4695612956741787895

[kindred ingot]

they said they'd try

[sinful nimbus]

Big upscale

[sinful nimbus]

cmon they could've easily done it 😭

[distant mason]

Yea, but how do you expect it to happen?
I mean, silksong sisters of the void ending is pretty much perfect. How can you improve it?

[sinful nimbus]

Did we need a shade lord cameo the story works fine without it

[kindred ingot]

one of the endings includes Hornet DYING
they couldn't possibly make Silksong and account to that

[sick tinsel]

guys what would happen if a bug drank the radiance infection thinking its orange juice

[fading shard]

probably because we're going to need the lord of shades help to beat the bloody steel masters

[sinful nimbus]

this guy doesn't know about tag info jokerpsa

[distant mason]

Death

[foggy fractal]

silksong prequel boom EASY

[fading shard]

again hornet is going to get compressed by sharpe

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet doesn't even die in that ending c'mon

[foggy fractal]

jokerpsa

[kindred ingot]

that'd go against everything we know about Hornet

[foggy fractal]

where are you

[sick tinsel]

[sinful nimbus]

Aura

That's why they kill you if you meddle with void

[foggy fractal]

tuff

[sinful nimbus]

They're afraid

[blissful harbor]

is it

or they know how dangerous it is
is caution fear

[sinful nimbus]

They also wiped out AC for that reason

[sick tinsel]

power of friendship wins again

[fading shard]

didn't jiji just say that the masters would only be "impressed" by the knight becoming the lord of shades

[foggy fractal]

I mean slabfly journal entries are a thing so it doesn't look like TC is too concerned

[sinful nimbus]

They're higher beings it can't be that dangerous

[kindred ingot]

idk, that'd depend on who's on top of the Pantheon
if it's GMS, it would end... badly
if it's the Knight, maybe there would be a difference in the end cutscene where Hornet manages to get back to the surface without needing the Knight's help or smth

[sinful nimbus]

Also that doesn't upscale sharpe

[fading shard]

"Ooohhhh. My masters would be impressed..."

[sinful nimbus]

They're hiding the fear

[sick tinsel]

maybe an upgraded GMS ?

[fading shard]

yeah you're right

[sick tinsel]

dosent have to end badly

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me a random enemy.

[fading shard]

we're going to have hornet summon every silksong character

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet when she has to help Zylotol because she's bored

[fading shard]

to beat the masters

[foggy fractal]

karak gor

[sick tinsel]

squit

[flat palm]

pharlid

[fading shard]

it'll be avangers endgame trust star

[kindred ingot]

then killing said GMS would be... bad
cuz then there's no way Hornet can get out of the Void

[kindred ingot]

Pond Skipper

[foggy stratus]

I'd feel any memory enemies would just have a quote instead of a journal entry.

[fading shard]

the pale king most likely

it's a memory related pantheon

remember that sashimi

[kindred ingot]

...the Pale King? as a boss?

nah

[fading shard]

and a pantheon for silksong would have to be hornet getting into her own memories

[flat palm]

vespa boss wooooooooo

[kindred ingot]

probably as a cutscene, yes, but as a boss?

[sinful nimbus]

PK is too strong make it prime GMS

[kindred ingot]

PK doesn't even fight

[distant mason]

GMS is too broken to fight, at most we'll see her as a counterpart to PV
If it's infected GMS, then it's even dumber. Why would void take over GMS in dreams, but not real world?
Zero reason to fight shadelord

[sinful nimbus]

GMS desperately needs a refight

[fading shard]

must I bring up the gigantic list of how op the pk is

[foggy stratus]

"Small spider. A natural born hunter and I am glad to see it! Too much of Pharloom is filled with whelps. This is a welcomed change."-The Hunter

[kindred ingot]

why zero reason to fight Shade Lord?
I mean, it IS at the peak of the pantheon now

[sinful nimbus]

PK is actually a great fighter

[foggy stratus]

Hollow Knight enemy spotted.

[fading shard]

let me back up your claim

give a sec star

[kindred ingot]

ok then explain your different more nuanced reasons

[sinful nimbus]

PV

Also TK and Hornet

Boom

[kindred ingot]

?

[flat palm]

didn't pale king train HK?

[distant mason]

Eh, still not worthy of being a "final boss". Sure, he is the strongest entity as of now, but what would we get from defeating shadelord?

[twin dragon]

Pv is a special attacker yall dont get it

whopping 170 SPA stat

[sinful nimbus]

All his kids are skilled mages one of whom uses spells that are literally never shown anywhere else he probably trained PV

[twin dragon]

mage scat

[sinful nimbus]

He could also presumably focus

[fading shard]

The pale king is a pale wyrm seemingly the only one of his kind given all powerful beings noting his pale nature as a wyrm. His power is so magnitude and grand that even after his death his presence is enough as beacon for someone like the godseeker and others to find Hallownest, he has a lot of mind related abilities such as foresight the capability of seeing into the future (to what extent is unknown), world sense a ability seen to be used by few, it allows one to sense the world around them and the worlds state and what's happening, alongside feeling those around him (so far that it would span around hallownest), and lastly with his mind related powers, the capability of expanding the minds of bugs that do not hold human level intelligience, with the cost that the affect only lasts if one is within his sphere of influence otherwise that precious gift is lost.

He also has soul capabilities, the most impressive ones we've seen in fact, being the one training the Pure vessel he too is capable of teleportation, his own soul varation of rune rage, soul daggers, soul magic spikes. IN fact he is so grand with soul that he can generate his own and has a near infinite amount to the point that his mimicry design of soul totems of that of the ancient civilization are filled by him with so much soul that they are nearly infinite, showcasing how much soul and power he has.

He also has light capabilities, some so grand that they are compared to the everbloom by one of the npcs, and so powerful that the moths turned their backs on the radiance for preferring his light, which is apparently magnitude in power, his light is also multiple times mentioned by other npcs and just how powerful it is, seemingly being capable of thwarting and resisting void (given his lights simillar power to the everbloom) .

Seals, he has the capability of creating various seals, both ones to chains and dreams, having the power to make some of the strongest seals seen that few can breach

[sinful nimbus]

Oh he also had unlimited soul that's kinda busted too

[twin dragon]

Pk is the main character btw

[fading shard]

one of his seal related showcases is with the chains, capable of containing the hollow knight, and only being able to be broken by an outsider intruding into the black egg, another is how he put a protective seal on a kingsmould mind from allowing anybody to enter with dream related powers, to the point you would need a fully in power dream nail ( a powerful artifact) to breach it, and lastly he has one in the dream realm where he sealed a METAPHYSICAL MEMORY, in the dream realm, casting a powerful seal and magic on it.

He has also dream related powers
he did something no other creature was capable of outputting regarding the dream realm, with his dream realm power only being comparable to the radiance, as he was capable of physically moving his entire palace and servants into the dream realm, not only that he created his own SUBSPACE in the dream realm as the dream realm is more like a massive sea or galaxy, with different zones (that being shown by different essence, pink being the normal dream essence, yellow for the radiance, green for unn, and pale WHITE, for the pale king), and he was capable of creating an entire subspace and a gigantic one at that in the dream realm owned and perfectly created by himself, that would house a physical form of himself and his palace, he even was capable of combining his seal and dream abilities together to seal a MEMORY in the dream realm, something nowhere else shown.

[kindred ingot]

idk, maybe a Void related upgrade or a new ending or smth idk I'm not TC I'm just some human
but I'm not just talking about "it is the strongest entity", it is LITERALLY at the peak of the pantheon, we NEED to defeat it to get there

[twin dragon]

hes the overpowered OC of ari gibson

[sinful nimbus]

Truth nuke

[foggy stratus]

"A hardshelled and Plump bug that skips across the waters surface. Mostly defenseless, but can submerge into water for periods of time. I find the taste odd, but not off putting."-The Hunter

[sinful nimbus]

Why did Hakita say V1 wasn't the main character

[twin dragon]

tc give ll some cool as third phase and my life is yours

[twin dragon]

v1 isnt a character

[kindred ingot]

oooo you're doing a Hunter's Journal for Silksong?

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah it is

[twin dragon]

nope

[fading shard]

can y'all read this

[sinful nimbus]

Death screen is characterization

[foggy stratus]

Yeah. Been doing it for a few days.

[fading shard]

It talks about all of the pks power feats

[twin dragon]

Oh wow tiny tiny bit

[fading shard]

that I wrote

[sinful nimbus]

And is probably going to be contrasted against gabriel who is at peace with his impending death

[fading shard]

in a gigantic google doc that i now copy pasted here

[kindred ingot]

the Shadow Creeper one should mention how they're also in Hallownest

[twin dragon]

||as much as mio's characterization when the heart talks about some bullshit related to her|| mio spoilers

[fading shard]

they did

[twin dragon]

Aside from that there's nothing kinda

i refuse ish

to call v1 a character

[fading shard]

at least regarding the pure vessels spells

[twin dragon]

it was very obvious what v1 is in hell for either way

[sinful nimbus]

Better character than Hornet

[foggy stratus]

I'm typically avoiding enemies he's already covered in the Hallownest journal. So no Void Tendrils, Wingsmolds or Shadow Creeper.

[fading shard]

so yeah sashimi the pale king is EXTREMELY overpowered

[distant mason]

"Void related upgrade", yup, more act 4 evidence from your side.
An ending for beating pantheon makes no sense
I forgot what does "being at the peak of pantheon" even supposed to mean

[kindred ingot]

but it would be interesting

[foggy stratus]

But i do have a shadow charger entry.

[twin dragon]

Id rather solid character with some extremely questionable moments than no character tbf

[sinful nimbus]

"solid"

[twin dragon]

Yeah she lwk is solid

like a snake

[fading shard]

hakita did confirm that gabriel is the protagonist

the "narrative protagonist"

[twin dragon]

Lucifer confirmed btw

fuck everyone

[fading shard]

he was confirmed a long time ago though?

back in act 2

[twin dragon]

yeah

[sinful nimbus]

The "questionable moments" directly undermine the entire themes of the game unlike V1 which mirrors Gabriel's character and the overall themes and such

[twin dragon]

and people didnt believe it

and now for real

[sinful nimbus]

V1 is way tuffer

[kindred ingot]

how... how is that act 4 evidence
but we literally got that in HK1
"Ascend the Pantheon of Hallownest and take your place at its peak" is what we do in HK1

[sinful nimbus]

Anyway tree of life will make V1 immortal with infinite blood thoughts

[twin dragon]

One of the main themes and it's an optional thing the character can do but i agree

[flat palm]

when did that happen? (not the act 2 thing)

[sinful nimbus]

This can make encores and potential future content canon like Hakita stated he wanted to do

[twin dragon]

is this v1's paradise

[foggy stratus]

"In the deepest reaches of these lands I've dared to venture, far below where most beings would ever dream to venture, I've seen this odd, unnerving... thing. It is somehow worse than its smaller form... I do not like it."-The Hunter Shadow Charger entry

[sinful nimbus]

Slab isn't optional

[twin dragon]

V1 seems to be ultra resilient in the face of death

[twin dragon]

it is

[kindred ingot]

for Winged Lifeseed: "They fly now?" (it's just that)

[sinful nimbus]

How do you grab double jump dawg

[twin dragon]

while gabriel somewhat accepts it but

[twin dragon]

You dont

you move the slab

then go

[sinful nimbus]

Double jump is mandatory for true ending

[twin dragon]

then place the slab back

once done

[foggy stratus]

Perchance. I'll leave the pondering about Lifeblood in the plasmified enemy entries.

[fading shard]

she's talking about the slab in silksong

not the slab revolver

[twin dragon]

I know

buddy

i fucking know

i think i can read im confident about it

[distant mason]

Why would you beat more difficult boss, just to kill a much easier final boss?
Yes, yes we did. But it made sense. We could purify world by doing that ending, which I'm pretty sure means more than dream no more ending.
Makes sense. But just beating pantheon for no reward is kinda weird

[fading shard]

;-;

I just wanted to help

[sinful nimbus]

do y'all run slab or no slab

[twin dragon]

Unslabbed marksman slabbed piercer and spinny

[fading shard]

I can say proudly that for my 400 hours on ultrakill and who P ranked everything in ultrakill on brutal difficulty I have not once touched the alternates

and only used the stock loadout

[foggy stratus]

I run all alt revolvers.

[twin dragon]

missing out holy

[sinful nimbus]

I prefer slab marksman because I think it looks cooler for the coins to not split in two

[kindred ingot]

it doesn't have to be an upgrade that makes us stronger, it could be like Voidheart, and it unlocks a new ending after Lost Lace

[sinful nimbus]

I kinda prefer base shotgun and nailgun ngl

[fading shard]

Have y'all P ranked all of brutal ultrakill

[sinful nimbus]

yeah

[twin dragon]

I find it kinda annoying to time it correctly so i can fire it again in succession

[distant mason]

New ending? Like what?
We destroyed silk, removed void. What kind of ending do you expect?

[twin dragon]

im trying little by little to P-rank the absolute hell that is P-ranking 8-3

[sinful nimbus]

I don't usually fire coins in quick succession tbh

[fading shard]

nice to meet a fellow Ultrakill brutal P ranker

[kindred ingot]

I DONT KNOW IM NOT TEAM CHERRY

[twin dragon]

But i P ranked everything else except the sanctums

[kindred ingot]

I CANNOT PREDICT THE FUTURE

[foggy stratus]

One day I'll also do that.

[twin dragon]

which i didnt really try much

[sinful nimbus]

good luck

[distant mason]

👀

[foggy stratus]

Removed Pharloom.

[twin dragon]

because flesh prisons are so horrendously made

it makes me vomit

at the thought of them

[fading shard]

very few P ranked both prime sanctums and in addition the encores in brutal

[twin dragon]

worse than hornet slab journal entries

[sinful nimbus]

Panopticon can actually easily end your run its insane

[fading shard]

alongside prelude to fraud

[distant mason]

Yay

[fading shard]

it's pretty easy though?

[twin dragon]

true

Yeah but the mortar shells for panopticon are the worst

[sinful nimbus]

Its easy once you learn rocket riding

[fading shard]

I do hate the flesh prison

[sinful nimbus]

They've made it substantially easier to rocket ride recently tbf

[twin dragon]

I lwk dont know how to ride midair

[kindred ingot]

sinful god after being sent to Earth and turned into a human by the other gods complaining about their new body:

[foggy stratus]

Should I do the Karmalita entry now?

[fading shard]

I P ranked P 2 in brutal long before fraud

[sinful nimbus]

Fire a rocket whiplash it while holding space

[kindred ingot]

sure

[twin dragon]

Ima go n P rank the 4 namedrop level now

[foggy stratus]

"... Would."-The Hunter, Karmalita entry.

[kindred ingot]

. . .he would in fact say that, but I hate you for that

[distant mason]

What

[fading shard]

I hate the fact I have to say that I oiled up the flesh panopticon as a strategy

[sinful nimbus]

ts so tuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjnAE5go9dI

[foggy stratus]

[fading shard]

I genuinely hate that star

[sinful nimbus]

Freeze frame my beloved

[distant mason]

❓

[fading shard]

yeah you can take away a ton of the timer if you do that

[kindred ingot]

"relatable" - Tormented Trobbio entry

[foggy stratus]

Do you not understand what I mean by 'would' or are you asking me why I said 'would' for that particular entry?

[distant mason]

I honestly dislike act 3

[sinful nimbus]

true

[fading shard]

honestly yeah act 3 is...flawed

[sinful nimbus]

damage sponge enemies with no exploration and a reused final boss

[distant mason]

The latter

[sinful nimbus]

7 years

[distant mason]

It feels both bloated and empty at the same time

Also anti climatic

[foggy stratus]

The DLCs are gonna fix it, trust me.

[fading shard]

the hearts are good though

[foggy stratus]

Do you not think that would be the Hunter's reaction?

[distant mason]

Flea festival felt like:
"Dang, we don't have enough content in our game. We must add more stuff" and then hornet does a super out of character thing

[distant mason]

Huh???

[foggy stratus]

Karmel should have been the final boss.

[foggy stratus]

I will not comment further.

[distant mason]

bro

[sinful nimbus]

Karmelita is

[distant mason]

🦣

[fading shard]

I appreciate verdania

[sinful nimbus]

I like Coral Tower/Khann and Nyleth/Seth but the fact that they don't have an area tied to them is unfortunate

Verdania has the best story

[fading shard]

I do agree

[fading shard]

also agreed

nyleth should have had more of a area

for themself

shame they didn't

[distant mason]

I wish act 3 had a TLC

[whole holly]

like Biggest Shrine? Shellwood? or Memory itself?

[foggy stratus]

I swear if we don't get at least some more Karak content in a DLC I'll be upset. Hell I'd settle for more lore tablets about Khann's rule/line.

[fading shard]

team cherry confirmed

there won't be

[foggy stratus]

[whole holly]

i personally like memory bosses, First Sinner, Nyleth and Palestag are my favorites fight-wise

[distant mason]

60% of act 3 is random stuff, that could easily be relevant in act 2, 35% is unrelated bloat, and the last 5% is THE ACTUAL content

[foggy stratus]

I'm going to summon a savior real quick brb.

[whole holly]

Clover Dancers and Nyleth my favourites lore-wise

[foggy stratus]

Still upset at Pinstress for just fucking off on Mt. Fey instead of going to, oh I don't know, do something fucking productive.

[sinful nimbus]

At least we got the void mass sidequest

[whole holly]

i mean there still may be something, but Team Cherry doesn't want High Expectations from Fans, there undoubtedly will be at least small piece of lore in Boss Rush DLC at least

[sinful nimbus]

and a 6 minute unskippable cutscene

[distant mason]

Also, boss design is just sad
Karmelita is the only memorable boss
Lace felt out of place
Everyone else is just, idk

[sinful nimbus]

Seth is a great boss ngl

[distant mason]

Actually, Seth is good

[distant mason]

Yeah

[crisp plume]

so peak

[whole holly]

well, yes one of best

[crisp plume]

🥹

[foggy stratus]

Don't diss my dear recolored Trobbio and Karak foot soldier.

[sinful nimbus]

Nyleth is fun depending on the crest Khann is fun but a little generic

[whole holly]

well watcher at the edge is harder than seth and less enjoyable as fight, seth is more predictable

[distant mason]

Khann is an ass of a bossfight, gauntlet pissed me off
Recolored trobbio is just 😭

[sinful nimbus]

Green Prince is fun but its also a reused boss from earlier with minimal changes so its kinda underwhelming

Crawfather is tuff

[whole holly]

Nyleth is great with wanderer crest, it is nice challenge

[foggy stratus]

I was referring to Watcher at the Edge not Khann.

[distant mason]

He could easily be an act 2 boss

[distant mason]

Oh
Yeah, he is kinda cool
Feels like just a strong enemy through

[fading shard]

I mean yeah nobody can really disrespect seth

[foggy stratus]

Can we all agree that fuck belleater real quick?

[fading shard]

(rip)

[whole holly]

First Sinner? isn't that Act 3 boss technically requiring Silk Soar? i loved her fight

[distant mason]

Eh

[crisp plume]

fuck belleater

[sinful nimbus]

she can be done once you get double jump

[distant mason]

Idc about him

[foggy stratus]

No.

[fading shard]

I'm glad their a boss actually

[whole holly]

what?

[fading shard]

no she isn't??

[sinful nimbus]

yeah bell eater is slop

[fading shard]

she's act 2

[foggy stratus]

I did First Sinner in Act 2.

[foggy fractal]

you don't need silk soar for fs

[foggy stratus]

Several times.

[fading shard]

same

it's not even a skip

[foggy fractal]

you could just double jump I think?