sk-lore

[blissful harbor]

it doesn’t

but it does influence people’s perceptions of a character

[kindred ingot]

yes

[finite wind]

It does for the most part

Isn't sherma voiced by a girl too

[kindred ingot]

but it's not a rule
proof: Twelfth Architect

[finite wind]

Most kid characters are

[kindred ingot]

yes, and Sherma is a guy

[finite wind]

Yeah she's a girl

[kindred ingot]

IT is a robot

not a girl

[blissful harbor]

who are you to tell a robot it cant be a girl

[near jasper]

Clankerphobia 😔

[blissful harbor]

that’s so 2005

[finite wind]

But it's a character with a high pitch voice and has a female voice actor so yes, high pitch voice means a girl

[kindred ingot]

Sherma is a male character with a high pitched voice

Sherma is not a girl

[finite wind]

Ik it's a male but it has a female voice so most people think it is a girl

But as I said, he's most likely a child since most children are voiced by girls

[kindred ingot]

those people are wrong and they should think about why they assume a person's gender by their voice pitch

[finite wind]

Because it has a female voice😭

That's my whole point

[kindred ingot]

such a thing does not exist

he has a high pitched voice

[finite wind]

💀

I can't

[kindred ingot]

...I mean in this case yes such a thing exists he has literally the voice of a woman

but still

high pitched voices aren't necessarily women's voices

[near jasper]

12th architect is designed a lot more femininely compared to the other clankers

[finite wind]

Yeah, just so happens that in this case, a character in HK that has a perceived female voice, the character was voiced by a female

[kindred ingot]

it just has a cloth over its head

[finite wind]

And that's the case for every case afaik?

[kindred ingot]

why are you calling women "females"?

just say women

[finite wind]

It obviously is, but most clankers have female voices

[kindred ingot]

it's less weird and more efficient

[blissful harbor]

it’s clearly meant to be evocative of hair though

[finite wind]

😭 😭 😭

[blissful harbor]

like sister splinter

[finite wind]

You're not real

[blissful harbor]

i saw that edit you cant hide

[kindred ingot]

people make mistakes sometimes

at least I fixed it

[kindred ingot]

what's the issue?

[blissful harbor]

byways twelfth architect is a girl because she was made by weavers and as we see
weavers make only girls

[near jasper]

I dont remember any male bugs with an abdomen like 12th architect's

[blissful harbor]

what about sprint master

he has a pretty nice abdomen

are you saying male bugs cant be thick

what about green prince

[kindred ingot]

I don't remember many bugs with abdomens like that at all

[finite wind]

Wdym he has a big ass chest

He's clearly buffed

[finite wind]

Yeah

[kindred ingot]

lil abdomen down there

[finite wind]

Look at the proportions

[blissful harbor]

same thing as 12th she’s jst sitting down

well her sis obviously bigger

[finite wind]

No, she has a big ass

[blissful harbor]

but yk

[shy magnet]

bug ass discussion

[blissful harbor]

yep

only the best

[kindred ingot]

Imma be honest, not much about its design screams "woman" at me

[blissful harbor]

i mean

does hornet

[shy magnet]

lowk right

[finite wind]

Then you need to get out and see real women

[kindred ingot]

it could be a dude and I'd be like "yeah that checks out"

[finite wind]

Cause this is clearly woman shaped

[shy magnet]

"woman shaped" i guess bro

[blissful harbor]

i will admit
it is curvier than other cogworks

[finite wind]

I'd say than most HK characters

[foggy stratus]

[near jasper]

Why are the architects and choruses stored in the underworks

[kindred ingot]

real women don't look like that
source: none of the images here even resemble that

[blissful harbor]

they are cogworks

[blissful harbor]

thst is where they are made

[shy magnet]

😭😭😭

[foggy stratus]

Architect discrimination.

[near jasper]

Why are they made there

[finite wind]

Yeah just so happens that you chose images that don't show how they look below the torso

[near jasper]

Women arent real

[blissful harbor]

it’s the core
it’s just where the citadel decided to put their base of mechanics

[foggy stratus]

[foggy fractal]

shame

[kindred ingot]

why are you looking at women's asses? that's disrespectful

[blissful harbor]

architects were made to create other cogworks

[finite wind]

Also, clear women head

[foggy fractal]

can't believe silksong made woman up

[blissful harbor]

and the various cogworks alk have different functions

[near jasper]

Its litterally not the core tho

[finite wind]

😭

[shy magnet]

team cherry is so creative

[blissful harbor]

it’s underneath it

[finite wind]

She's not gonna let you hit bro

[shy magnet]

hes right on this one frat boy

[kindred ingot]

ngl an ellipse-shaped head with antennae and 4 eyes doesn't really look womanly to me

[kindred ingot]

who's she

[finite wind]

I was referring to the hair

But woman also have more round faces

[blissful harbor]

the hair is yea, hair is rare enough already in HK

[kindred ingot]

ah, yes
cuz women are the only people in the world with long hair

[blissful harbor]

and only girl characters are given it

aside from literal fur

[kindred ingot]

now that's just wrong
source: I've met men

[finite wind]

Why are we ignoring obvious stereotypes

[kindred ingot]

cuz they're stereotypes

[near jasper]

Why did 1st architect design itself to have a fat ass

[finite wind]

Yeah no DW, I can tell you mostly Interac with males

[blissful harbor]

think marissa, or no eyes, or zemer

[kindred ingot]

and this game's woke enough not to spread them
I mean, we got an abortion on screen

[finite wind]

And stereotypes exist for a reason????

[near jasper]

🤔

[finite wind]

Or why don't you think that there's no stereotype for woman having green skin???

[finite wind]

OMFG

[shy magnet]

aura

[blissful harbor]

this game preaches genocide accidentally in the slab section

[finite wind]

This dude is not real

[blissful harbor]

is it truly woke enough to not contain stereotypes

[kindred ingot]

people make mistakes sometimes

[shy magnet]

no no no not slab discourse

[blissful harbor]

wild response

[finite wind]

Literally sister splinter was given hair to let people know she was a girl

[kindred ingot]

and then the Journal refers to Sis Splints as "they"

[sinful nimbus]

bro

[finite wind]

Also, this is completely insane

[blissful harbor]

when

[near jasper]

Fucking where

[blissful harbor]

it does not

that’s a lie

[sinful nimbus]

fellas is it woke to use the word they

[finite wind]

Almost dvery female character in this game has curves and clearly female traits

[sinful nimbus]

it does iirc

[finite wind]

Like, have we even played the same game

[near jasper]

Like flukemarm

[blissful harbor]

Imposing old insect nesting in the heights of Shellwood. Her command of twig and branch ensured no pilgrim ever survived within her territory.
This one lived long and fed much. The wood will be much safer for their slaying.

are we ignoring the very first section

[sinful nimbus]

ig singular they is woke to conservatives who don't go outside

[blissful harbor]

you can use they while knowing the gender

guys do we know how english works

[kindred ingot]

she/they Sis Splints

the common beasts got pronouns

[near jasper]

Maybe its their slaying because killing her fucks up the splinter tribe as a whole

[shy magnet]

woke overload

[finite wind]

Critical thinking detected ⚠️

[kindred ingot]

the rest of the entry never really points to that

[blissful harbor]

anyways regardless of her pronouns

[kindred ingot]

but sure, that is a valid way to see it

[blissful harbor]

sister splinter is clearly female

[kindred ingot]

why are yall constantly using the word "female" instead of "woman"? it's less weird and more efficient to just say "woman"

[near jasper]

Its kinda funny how many peoples gender is pharloom is up to hornets interpretation

[blissful harbor]

does it matter

truly

[finite wind]

😭

[near jasper]

Sister splinter is clearly woman

[blissful harbor]

is the world gonna turn upside

cause of a word

[finite wind]

Male feminists are STH else

[blissful harbor]

is this discussion any different from us using a different word

are we any harder to udnerstand

[shy magnet]

sashimi do you read feminist literature

[blissful harbor]

if not then i don’t think it matters

[sinful nimbus]

I see wym outside of a medical context if you exclusively call them females but using female as an adjective is pretty normal

[finite wind]

No, but he has to get offended on behalf

[kindred ingot]

I read doomed bug yaoi on ao3, does that count

[foggy fractal]

Starpengu is female

🤔

🤔

[near jasper]

Yeah

[shy magnet]

i'll let the jury decide

idk abt this one

[finite wind]

We are also talking about animals here, calling a bug a woman is objectively wrong

[sinful nimbus]

Well Sister Splinter is sapient I believe

[blissful harbor]

is she

[kindred ingot]

arguable

[finite wind]

Woman is for humans...

[sinful nimbus]

Idk I never thought about it

[kindred ingot]

are the Splinters sapient bugs or common beast?

[blissful harbor]

seem more like beasts to me

[near jasper]

Why do traitor mantises have a different abdomen from the rest of the mantises

[blissful harbor]

WL magic

[kindred ingot]

the infection
also they're all male

[sinful nimbus]

These are anthropomorphized bugs you can call em women who cares

[blissful harbor]

she changed them

[near jasper]

Traitors Daughter:

[blissful harbor]

theyre alk male

[kindred ingot]

...is she different?

[near jasper]

No

[finite wind]

Idc I just think it's most appropriate to call them females, however, saying that we should exclusively call them woman and not females is insane

[kindred ingot]

she kinda looks regular

the abdomen, I mean

[blissful harbor]

she shares the white wings of petra’s though

she’s weird

normal youth have blue wings

[near jasper]

She resembles the traitor mantis abdomen a lot more than the normal mantis abdomen

[finite wind]

Really?

[kindred ingot]

does she?

[finite wind]

I think she looks exactly like the mantis to the right

[sinful nimbus]

Traitors are bloated from the infection and have WL magic and TC probably weren't thinking of allat lowk

[shy magnet]

ate too much infection

[finite wind]

Can we talk about how cool traitor lord and traitor mantis look

[kindred ingot]

yes

[finite wind]

Also, wtf is the deal with Petra mantises @sinful nimbus

[kindred ingot]

Traitor Lord is so cool and awesome

[near jasper]

How does mister mushroom talk to fayforn if its never learned the language or got spore shroom

[blissful harbor]

let’s talk about how they got outdid by the better green mantises

[finite wind]

Yes it is very cool and awesome

[blissful harbor]

how do you know it didnt learn shroomish

[sinful nimbus]

WL magic fr

[kindred ingot]

peak recognizes peak

[finite wind]

Fr Fr?

What does even Petra stand for

Like what does it mean

[near jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/tarantula-spider-boogie-dance-gif-1496542221627060498

[blissful harbor]

accelerated youth thst didnt fully mature into normal warriors

[near jasper]

Petroil

[blissful harbor]

misspelling of ptera maybe

meaning flying

[finite wind]

Cool theory

[finite wind]

Cool theory again

You're very smart

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah horns seem to be associated with mature mantes like the lords and the large plantlife of Queen's Gardens and White Palace (and THK being unnaturally grown) kinda suggests WL just accelerates the growth of stuff

Also Marmu kinda

[blissful harbor]

ok but was marmu actually gonna get wings

[near jasper]

Mister mushroom says in Silksong he only comes to pharloom because of what hornet did, but he'd already left hallownest before She got to pharloom

[blissful harbor]

or is she just dumb and crazy

[sinful nimbus]

blah blah irl biology isn't canon but like

[blissful harbor]

my auto correct thought sherma needed a stray

[sinful nimbus]

She clearly was gonna metamorphosize into a winged insect

[kindred ingot]

he was just roaming around before that

[near jasper]

Shrooming his spores all over the place

[finite wind]

Then what happened to him, and why does he have a totem

[blissful harbor]

death

[sinful nimbus]

White Lady put her to sleep

[finite wind]

Wdym

[blissful harbor]

she taught her to fly alright

[sinful nimbus]

Why is it never acknowledged that she had a child soldier

tf did Marmu even do

[near jasper]

Dont question it

[finite wind]

What

[sinful nimbus]

Most fleshed out dream warrior

[finite wind]

I'm so confused

[blissful harbor]

something about caterpillars and trees and leaves

[near jasper]

Fabious

[blissful harbor]

check your closet

[near jasper]

Why does the exhaust organ not have any indication it was ever used before phantom

[sinful nimbus]

What indication would there be

for as long as there was exhaust to be expelled there was probably a method to expel it

[near jasper]

Underworker body

[blissful harbor]

i mean

phantom has been running thst for eons by now

her and lace are old

[foggy fractal]

so many uncs!

[finite wind]

Why would anyone else play the organ

She's the phantom of the opera

There can't be more

[blissful harbor]

didnt he have an apprentice or something

idk i never watched it

[finite wind]

Idek what is it about

[blissful harbor]

a disfigured man in an opera if phantom is anything to go by

[finite wind]

True

[near jasper]

Why did they enslave a random teenager to work on waste mamagement isntead of a cogwork bug or something

[blissful harbor]

she’s silks kid

i don’t think the citadel is forcing her to do so

firstly she could easily just kill any of them

and not like they can reach her

[near jasper]

Why does she work for the citadel

[blissful harbor]

what else is there to do
she was “discarded” by silk and wanted to die

[finite wind]

GMS was just ashamed of her or sth

She basically disposed of her

[blissful harbor]

i mean

we don’t know if it was intentional

[near jasper]

Rip poor Sherma youll have to sentence another person to eternal bilewater to keep songclave clean

[blissful harbor]

could’ve been like lace where she kinda just created her then neglected her

and phantom took that as being discarded

[foggy fractal]

oh yeah guys what missing backer stuff are y'all most excited for

[blissful harbor]

steel clan

[foggy fractal]

sharpe, 2 dungeons or that lions village

[blissful harbor]

maybe the ant lions

[foggy fractal]

🦁

[blissful harbor]

just cause ik TC will come up with something cool for them

[limpid summit]

Absolutely sharpe

Sharpe in a vacuum was written when the writing was good

Also backer characters always bang

[blissful harbor]

steel clan has the msot potential

[foggy fractal]

still haven't seen the guy on the right since they were revealed lmao

[blissful harbor]

3rd game potential honestly

[near jasper]

Can you call the steel people clankers

[blissful harbor]

he looks like the cymbal dude

but like

steel version

that was my initial thought

thst they would turn other eneimes into harder variants

[foggy fractal]

this guy right?

[blissful harbor]

back when steel soul mode was a thing

[blissful harbor]

yessir

[foggy fractal]

the resemblance is uncanny

[limpid summit]

Compression

That would be hard

[blissful harbor]

apple you get me

[near jasper]

Silkeater should be a slur used for people from pharloom

[limpid summit]

Senris you’re the goat

[blissful harbor]

compression is gonna be just turning into a steel dude for sure though

maybe turning into the core they all have

[near jasper]

What are the choruses made for

[blissful harbor]

considering how fast they are, either mining or fighting

helping in deep docks makes more sense to me to though

[near jasper]

Me when I have to take 90 peoples souls to make a robot to fight (its very efficient)

[blissful harbor]

idk what the citadel ws fighting besides verdania and them to need 4 mechs

actually thst makes sense ig

one for each civilization

[near jasper]

I think choruses are probably for mining

[sinful nimbus]

mech spinoff please 🙏

[spark valve]

armored spore, you play as a shrumal pilot

[midnight reef]

They probably used them in destruction of the Ruined Chapel, and in the construction of the Citadel itself

[whole holly]

do you guys think that Steel Clan creates Divine but Artificial beings? Eva seems like more limited weaver technology, i assume Steel Clan can do way more

[craggy smelt]

there's a theory that the 'Compression' Zi mentions is how Steelhearts are made

we really know nothing about it, but the term does call to mind an idea of something being crushed down and compacted

it makes me wonder if other beings are somehow being almost literally compressed and sealed inside these metal shells

Zi suggests that Compression is something that can threaten even pale beings, so maybe they're enslaved to make the Steelhearts

[whole holly]

so you are suggesting that Steel Hearts are artificial but Steel Masters might not be?

[craggy smelt]

I guess if this is how they are created, they'd be artificial in the sense that they are not natural but new beings made from altering other beings

I imagine the Steel Masters are probably different

we know like nothing about them so it's impossible to say

maybe they're like the vassals, regular bugs with great magical powers

or they could be higher beings

[whole holly]

i love fanart interpretations of steel masters

[craggy smelt]

I've seen only one (Andy's)

personally I like the idea that they might be regular bugs but they've figured out all kinds of secret lore and sorceries

like the snails

but to a greater degree

[whole holly]

i mean artists :

[craggy smelt]

cool, cool

[whole holly]

and this

[craggy smelt]

not bad either

let me see if I can dig up Andy's

[whole holly]

generally beings of higher caste use something that bugs are dependent on to control them(light for moth, silk of weavers) it is pattern, so i don't think Silk will be different

[craggy smelt]

(my secret future prediction is that the Hollow Knight gets kidnapped and given a new steel arm and turned into a steel assassin - Hornet fights them as the ultimate super final boss for the las dlc)

[whole holly]

this is good design, like really good

[craggy smelt]

I wonder if he ever finished it

@foggy fractal let us know!

[whole holly]

there are differing interpretations

some are more humanoid some are more bug-like but i think they will be more or less abstract like Higher Beings

[craggy smelt]

I see a lot of interpretations of them being huge monsters
I think it'll be funny if they're all actually the same kind of bug as Sula and Jiji, they just have greater rank and knowledge

[whole holly]

that would be really funny but Vassals are said to feel and are contrasted to other members of hierarchy while Steel Master are said to be complete like Lord of Shades

[craggy smelt]

yeah, what exactly that means is the greatest mystery remaining in the lore that I want the answer to

what it means for the Knight to remind Jinn of the masters, and what Jinn means when she says the masters are 'other' and have 'minds other'

steel town DLC, it's gotta happen

[foggy fractal]

@whole holly

[craggy smelt]

it was finished

[whole holly]

It’s really good

Steel Masters feel like Antithesis of Ancient Civilization

[craggy smelt]

I wondered if they might be something like a force of balance between pale beings and the Void

they 'do not seek order' and don't honor beings like the pale king

but they also seem to restrict use of the Void and hunt down those who summon it

like they keep both forces in check

pale white, void black, steel grey

[twin dragon]

Im intrigued by how the steel masters harness the void

I hope they dont make a toy out of it like in hk

[whole holly]

toy? are you referring to Lord of Shades

[twin dragon]

pk just grabbing it and molding it to his want without any consequence whatsoever

[whole holly]

Why is void particles in his room?

[twin dragon]

Idfk, but his cause of death is not specified nor known

he doesnt appear to bear the void tainted eyes

[twin dragon]

there are 6 choruses

fourth chorus, we fight it in far fields

3 choruses or 4 i dont remember (presumably 1st, 2nd and 3rd) in architect's area workshop thingy

1 is drowned in the sea in SoS

and 1 got compressed in the steel forge in city of steel

[foggy fractal]

🤔 what if there was 6 or 7?

[covert night]

the sixth seven

[twin dragon]

one is likely missing in the blackbarrens

[whole holly]

what do you guys think Greymoor was called before it was grey, it was once a farm

or what do you think Bilewater's previous name was, or putrifed ducts

[covert night]

i've seen palewater, stilwater, clearwater, purewater

[twin dragon]

farmoore

[whole holly]

Pharmoor

[craggy smelt]

Wispmoor

[whole holly]

what about Bilewater? was it Baywater? Palewater? Pharwater?

[covert night]

is this a mod or just a fanart

[covert night]

oh it's a fanart ok

really good

[frank dove]

Who said it wasn't gray

[frank dove]

Is this counting chapel of the architect

[twin dragon]

3 total it was counting chapel i think

but i dont remember

[frank dove]

So there are 4 or 5

[twin dragon]

i made most of them up as you can see

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me a random enemy.

[near jasper]

Grom

[foggy stratus]

"Endlessly churning creature of an eroded region. I've slain and ate many. Neither disgusting nor particularly delectable."-The Hunter

[frank dove]

Bro do you have these memorized

[near jasper]

Yes

He is the Hunter™

[dire lynx]

mawling

[whole holly]

burning bug

[paper mantle]

Imoba

[foggy stratus]

"Small, amusing bug. I take great joy in flicking them against hard surfaces to see when their shells break open and reveal their delicious organs."-The Hunter

[foggy stratus]

"Members of an odd cult seeming to worship the concept of flames. What drives a bug to blind faith? Is it a genuine belief in divinity of something? Or an ages old tradition thats morphed into this?"-The Hunter

[dire lynx]

i dont think hunter would find these guys

[paper mantle]

I love Imoba

[dire lynx]

they are very silly

[paper mantle]

But I just remembered an enemy you might like

[whole holly]

me too and skrill

[foggy stratus]

"Small, insignificant wastes of shell. Doesn't even know how to react to claw or blade. Not worth the effort to hunt."-The Hunter

[paper mantle]

[kindred ingot]

all the surface thingies are cool

[dire lynx]

ya?

[paper mantle]

Well, it won't let me send pictures, but they're fire slugs.

[whole holly]

sad that they have no needolin dialogue just because they don't have silk, kind of defeats point of serving same purpose dream nail served

[kindred ingot]

the Hunter would probably do one of the existential crisis ones for Skrill

[paper mantle]

Lavalarga

[kindred ingot]

what dialogue would they even have?

[foggy stratus]

Or he'd talk about how best to cook it. I feel like Skrills would taste like chicken.

[whole holly]

..eat...danger...flee....

[kindred ingot]

isn't that just the- wait that makes sense and it would be peak

[foggy stratus]

Lavalargas are super spicy.

[foggy stratus]

Sams with Lavalugs.

Hmm.

[paper mantle]

The Lavalarga family could be related to Unn
That is, there is the Lavalug, and this would normally evolve into a Lavalarga
Unn could very well be a Lavalug that took a different evolutionary path or a Lavalarga that migrated to Hallownest

[kindred ingot]

"They don't hunt, they don't work, they don't think, and yet they seem content. Maybe a mind isn't such a privilege after all"

[dire lynx]

i think content would be ideal over happy here

[whole holly]

different evolutionary path most likely

[kindred ingot]

true

[foggy stratus]

"Small slug creature with molten lava in its shell it uses as a weapon. Usually, inedible due to the sheer heat of the thing. But if you drain it first and leave it to cool, the resulting shell when ground up produces a powder that burns to eat. I find it oddly appealing."-The Hunter

[twin dragon]

i dont think we know how hbs can spawn

there are many slugs doesnt mean they're explicitely related to unn

duh

for all we know salubra cracked a molten rock

[kindred ingot]

they just show up

[twin dragon]

smt smt worship probably

[whole holly]

yeah we need to know more about nature of higher beings and fundamental forces

[whole holly]

i mean we know. wyrms are species and they reproduce

[paper mantle]

Yeah

[twin dragon]

i guess, but that doesnt mean every hb has a species

[kindred ingot]

higher beings are just really strong regular bugs

[foggy stratus]

Ehhhhh

Not really.

[kindred ingot]

even Godseeker doesn't make a difference between Higher Beings and regular bosses

[twin dragon]

Nope they're past that

godseeker's a fraud

[whole holly]

Roots likely do as well, Unn is suggested to be a slug

[foggy stratus]

They call them Gods. Gods isnt the same thing as Higher Being.

[twin dragon]

why roots

[kindred ingot]

Grimm is a Higher Being and he's there next to regular bugs

[paper mantle]

The Gods of Storm too

[whole holly]

at least why know definition of Gods as well

[twin dragon]

I mean wl is physically described as a root

[paper mantle]

No

[kindred ingot]

fym no

[twin dragon]

but doesnt mean theres a single species thats root

[paper mantle]

Nightmare Heart is a HB

But Grimm no

[whole holly]

they are mentioned in similar context as wyrm so it is very viable

[foggy stratus]

Grimm is a part of a Higher Being. Same with most of the Grimm Troupe except Brumm and Divine.

[kindred ingot]

I mean, if not a Higher Being, what is he?

[twin dragon]

Still left ambiguous as that's the only thing we can hang onto

[foggy stratus]

The Higher Being's vessel.

[whole holly]

i think they likely are

[twin dragon]

I'd say the best bet we have is smt like weaver queen

[foggy stratus]

And part of the Higher Being.

[twin dragon]

smt of a transformation for wtv reason

[paper mantle]

He is a vessel to the Nightmare Heart

[kindred ingot]

ok so he has the powers of a Higher Being and the influence of a Higher Being and the aura of a Higher Being but he's not a Higher Being

[dire lynx]

grimm is as mucha higher being as the grimmkin

[paper mantle]

Is a "angel"

[whole holly]

Weaver Queen, Twisted Child, Embrace the Void all are pieces of answer

[foggy stratus]

Fuck did you get "aura of a Higher Being" from?

[twin dragon]

The best bet we have is worship i guess

or absorption in hornet's case

[whole holly]

we need to know more about fundamental forces of hk world song/rhythm/resonance being vague part of lore isn't it

[foggy stratus]

The best we get is Soul and Essence ig.

[kindred ingot]

and Void

[whole holly]

i know i know

[kindred ingot]

we got Soul, Essence, Void, and Lifeblood (which is related to both Essence and Void but not in any way that confirms that it is a mix of the two)

[twin dragon]

song is somewhat explained but not higherbeingification

[kindred ingot]

Nightmares are just EVIL Essence

and Silk is just solid Soul

[whole holly]

essence alone doesn't make higher being, Grey Prince Zote is false god, void doesn't either Summoned Savior, Collector aren't higher beings neither does Soul, Soul Master was a fraud and greedy for power but not a higher being, higher beings of the world are above them but in what metric?

[twin dragon]

Likely worship of some kind

theres no explanation for hbs aside from something related to worship

[kindred ingot]

I think a Higher Being is defined as a bug that has control over those substances, not the other way around

[whole holly]

looks like i received proof from you, i am inclined to agree

[kindred ingot]

like, Soul doesn't make a Higher Being, but some Higher Beings can control/create/modify Soul

[twin dragon]

not all of them do either

soul doesnt make a hb obv as every living being has one

even clankers have soul

[paper mantle]

Could we consider Lifeblood as another fundamental force?

[kindred ingot]

Radiance, Nightmare Heart, and Unn control Essence, Pale King, White Lady, and Grand Mother Silk control Soul, Shade Lord controls Void, and Abyss Creature controls Lifeblood (?)

[whole holly]

it looks like Lavalugs and Unn are really similar

[kindred ingot]

it depends on it's relation with Essence and Void

[whole holly]

no, i think it is Essence derived and seemingly related to Dreams

[kindred ingot]

it also has connections with Void

[paper mantle]

I agree

[kindred ingot]

it could be Essence-filled Void, Void-filled Essence, a mix of the two, or neither

[whole holly]

not to same extent

[kindred ingot]

tbh all that we got to connect Lifeblood and Dreams was a singular room, everything else points to Void

[whole holly]

i feel like it is essence derivative adapted/sustainable/immune to void

[foggy stratus]

Two actually.

[twin dragon]

SL also doesnt fully control void moreso commands it and doesnt quite spawn it

[whole holly]

2 rooms and essence color

[twin dragon]

they might be related to dreams

all of them

[blissful harbor]

everything point s’more to dreams really
the lifeblood beast is found in a dream, as well as the spread of it in godhome from a dream catcher

[twin dragon]

in some way

[blissful harbor]

only thing pointing towards void is being found in the abyss

[twin dragon]

True

[kindred ingot]

and the fact Void creatures don't suffer any consequences from using it, and the fact Wormways only became plasmified when Void appeared in Pharloom

[twin dragon]

every hb has something to do with dreams

[kindred ingot]

GMS doesn't

[blissful harbor]

we only see TK as a void creature use it

[twin dragon]

gms does what

[blissful harbor]

and they are dead so

[paper mantle]

The mind in general

[twin dragon]

she connects other bugs to her

[blissful harbor]

i don’t think they count

[foggy stratus]

They happened at the same time. Void didnt cause it.

[twin dragon]

her memories

[blissful harbor]

and Silk does use dreams

[twin dragon]

those are essence/dreams

[kindred ingot]

physically, not with dreams

[blissful harbor]

the haunting is dream based, it’s mind control

[whole holly]

that's voids natural resistance to mind based infection

[twin dragon]

She does connect her memories that's somewhat metaphysical

[kindred ingot]

she's quite literally puppeteering bugs

[twin dragon]

not exactly that either

[whole holly]

plasmification is just time passing

[twin dragon]

she joins the bugs into her

and her memories spill into the bugs

can yall read what pavo fucking tells you

justice for pavo

[kindred ingot]

you can spend an indefinite amount of time in Act 2, Wormways ONLY gets plasmified in Act 3

[whole holly]

memories = dreams guys

[twin dragon]

And she does it with soul strands aswell which contain essence

gms is quite literally, all over the place

[kindred ingot]

...where did you get that from

[whole holly]

again Act 3 is great way to serve as time passing rather than TC to implement timer

[kindred ingot]

Soul and Essence are two different things

[twin dragon]

Soul's connection to essence in hk

[whole holly]

Eva is silk and she is also essence

[foggy stratus]

Yeah and you can spend an indefinite amount of time fucking about in Crossroads but it ONLY gets infected after Monarch Wings/A dreamer being killed.

[twin dragon]

since radiance can mould living beings out of it

[kindred ingot]

okay where did you get THAT from

[twin dragon]

eva isnt essence what

[whole holly]

Sylphsong description

[kindred ingot]

there is an argument to be made that taking the Monarch Wings and/or killing a dreamer directly causes Crossroads to be infected

[twin dragon]

that's what beings bound by hornet are converted to essentially kinda

unless they're very powerful

memories

abilities

[whole holly]

Essence of a being merged within. Silk will be restored when resting at a bench.

[foggy stratus]

It just shows time passing. Why tf would getting Monarch wings have anything to do with the state of infection.

[kindred ingot]

you're reading it too literally
Essence as in the regular word essence, not the substance Essence

that's like saying that every time something is described as "devoid" of something it has Void

[whole holly]

i mean since she is mimicry of divinity, it could very well be essence the force

[kindred ingot]

I've seen a theory that the Monarch Wings were creating wind, and when the wind stopped cuz you took them, the air stopped moving, and that allowed the Infection to grow

[whole holly]

false equivalence

[foggy stratus]

Fuck ass theory tbh. Like seriously what is this.

[twin dragon]

Binding a creature includes binding their memories

it is entirely possible

[foggy stratus]

Its also possible Eva needed essence woven into her so she could, ya know, have a mind.

[twin dragon]

i dont think its in the literal sense either BUT

it has to do with memories

therefore dreams

[whole holly]

and memories are connected to essence

[kindred ingot]

specifically the only divinity we DON'T get a confirmation of being related to dreams

[twin dragon]

eva isn't divine

either way

she's somewhat like lace

[kindred ingot]

exactly

[foggy stratus]

Shes divinity mimicked in form to frail or something like that.

[whole holly]

she is connected to essence through having memories, because seer says memories are related to essence

[kindred ingot]

what was the original point? I forgor

[whole holly]

Eva is made of more sophisticated Runes, while Lace is made of lot of silk

[kindred ingot]

what are we trying to prove?

[twin dragon]

They're both still made similarly

i mean they tried to make her divine somehow but i dont think she would've been a hb either

[whole holly]

lifeblood and haunting being connected to essence/dreams

[kindred ingot]

okay, I agree with Lifeblood

[whole holly]

but not the same way, there are important difference

[foggy stratus]

She also seems to be able to read minds.

[kindred ingot]

I don't quite see why the Haunting would be, and I think I already gave an explanation as to why

[twin dragon]

haunting is quite literally gms's memories seeping into the bugs minds

is that because you havent read pavo's dialogue

[kindred ingot]

it seems like GMS does her stuff directly and only through Silk and nothing else
and Silk is just weird Soul

[twin dragon]

no gms doesnt pupeteer bugs

else bugs wouldnt be doing all of the stuff they do

[kindred ingot]

yes, but she does the Haunting stuff directly through the Silk in the bugs

Silk is magical too and she can do magic stuff with Silk

[twin dragon]

That silk connects the bugs to her own mind

[kindred ingot]

yes, through the Soul that makes the Silk

[twin dragon]

she connects memories

makes them seep into the bugs

is that not related to essence and mind

plus the bugs are also in a kind of trance

[kindred ingot]

okay, sure, but Essence is not the focus of the Haunting

it's more of a convenient consequence to the use of Silk

Silk is just pure Soul

[twin dragon]

No that's quite literally what she wants kinda

[foggy stratus]

Silk is a form of Soul. Soul is pure Soul.

[ionic void]

so the 1st ending,i defeat gms and i go in her place,but i start mutating'?

[dire lynx]

you and gms become one, and you give into your 'pale nature'

[foggy stratus]

You bind her and sorta become a fusion of her and Hornet.

[ionic void]

thanks

[runic plume]

What’s the true ending mean like

[ionic void]

okay im leaving this before i get spoiled lol

[dire lynx]

what about it?

[whole holly]

why is hornet unique for having multiple crests? can weavers not have them? or wyrm? could vessels have them if they weren't born in void?

[twin dragon]

Likely because higher being + weaver

[whole holly]

so because she is part pale being and part weaver?

[twin dragon]

higher* but i assume so yeah

[whole holly]

personally i don't believe higher being is important in this context, wyrm and pale being traits matter most because higher being status is not hereditary at all

[twin dragon]

Status likely not but capabilities fs

[whole holly]

capabilities are relevant to pale beings, they manipulate soul well and wyrms because they provide unique nature

[twin dragon]

how did the weavers know about crests

genuine question

[whole holly]

it is soul imprint/crest? they know about soul imprint because they have it, i assume shamans know to just not by same name, they just refer it as knowledge and power

[twin dragon]

wtv eva says

[dire lynx]

maybe they discovered it while trying to make eva?

[twin dragon]

the weavers have a term for it

[twin dragon]

I guess but does this mean eva can absorb shit

[dire lynx]

no, but they wanted her to have the same kind of nature as gms

is what i meant

[twin dragon]

Eva also knows how to define it

[whole holly]

well, yea she has more innate understanding and more unique and metaphysical nature

[dire lynx]

wdym exactly when you say this?

[twin dragon]

Likely learnt it from the weavers

[dire lynx]

learnt what?

[twin dragon]

what a crest is

[dire lynx]

well yes, if weavers were trying to replicate the innate nature of a being they would be bound to discover the inner workings of crests

[dire lynx]

thats what i was saying here

[twin dragon]

Were the weavers really seeking to replicate the nature of gms, i dont think that wouldve aided them too much

[whole holly]

Eva was attempt at literally that, GMS is divine, i don't think that requires too much theorizing

[twin dragon]

Yeah but they wanted her to replace gms and end her reign not reeinact it

[foggy stratus]

I feel that it was less trying to mimic GMS and more so trying to create something that protect them from her.

[dire lynx]

"Hide her deep, the despised child, our shame shown in shell of iron. She is a wish cast vain,** divinity mimicked in form too frail."**

[whole holly]

they said eva was attempt at mimicking divinity

[dire lynx]

they wanted an ally/child of divine nature to overthrow gms

[sinful nimbus]

Weavers also considered themselves divine and Eva states directly that she was an attempt at creating a Weaver Child

Eva: I was born within this space. To leave would be my death, an uninspired end, though one I've sometimes wished would come.
Eva: I am unique, you see. My mothers shared the curse of their tribe, to conceive a child is a painful, near impossible task.
Hornet: I know the curse well, Eva, for I am also its victim, and spawn of one who managed to overcome its limits.
Hornet: Are you too an attempt to defy that cruel constraint?
Eva: A flawed attempt. A life spun from rune and shell, sustained only by its cage. My thoughts may mimic a Weavers, but my senses are my own.
Over time, that difference brought only distance between us.

[whole holly]

sure, but abilities of Eva aren't quite like abilities of Weavers, weavers don't have insight and she was also built as weapon against GMS

[twin dragon]

She was likely meant to be above their own thought divine status to do something against gms

[sinful nimbus]

How would she be a weapon against GMS

That's not really ever mentioned

[sinful nimbus]

What

[near jasper]

Whats the Topic rn

[dire lynx]

crests

[whole holly]

because she and weaver projects are implied to be

[whole holly]

There, my mothers built their tools, all traps and bindings. Small things, but tests for larger forms. I still remember their thoughts as they worked, their desperation, and their hunger. Another hopeless attempt to wrest their freedom. All ended in failure, of course.
– Eva

[sinful nimbus]

Eva never mentions this and Atla was more concerned with trapping GMS as you can see in the Snare Setter room and by Eva's own dialogue

[edgy nebula]

topic?

[sinful nimbus]

Eva

[edgy nebula]

what about her

[dire lynx]

crests, eva is a tangent

[whole holly]

her creation aligns with that overall goal, even if it isn't really stated

[sinful nimbus]

In the sense that creating more weavers would help the Citadel to run indefinitely sure

But that's not her being a "weapon" nor was she meant to mimic GMS

[edgy nebula]

she looks similar to gms but thats probably a coincidence cause they thought themselves divine

thats also probably why they call eva divine

[limpid summit]

I don’t think Eva was meant to like kill her

But she was definitely part of the overall plan to usurp GMS which would have involved sealing or defeating her

I don’t know why she was early though

Like why build her and then go down to Snare Setter

[near jasper]

Eva is the gettaway driver clearly

[edgy nebula]

shes too weak to exist without lifesupport via her pod

doing anything with her would just be a huge hassle

[whole holly]

she was still effort of weavers overcoming their limitations not just infertility but gms's control, and she was meant to mimick gms as gms is constantly acknowledged as divine, weavers overall mostly tell others that or simply construct religions around themselves because they believed they are divine because of ascension that's done by GMS's divine powers, Eva's abilities mimic GMS more than weavers anyways

[twin dragon]

She's in the same weavenest that had stuff related the citadel and taking over gms

[whole holly]

that's what i meant , yea, you get it AppleEgg

[twin dragon]

plus the weavers were quite uncaring towards eva

but that might be because eva is a squid in a pod

[sinful nimbus]

Atla resulted in the foundation of the Citadel

[twin dragon]

?

[sinful nimbus]

Eva is explicitly an attempt to create a weaver child which would be useful for keeping GMS trapped indefinitely

[sinful nimbus]

50 Silksong fans vs Reading the dialogue

If Eva says she was an attempt to create a weaver child and weavers consider themselves divine what does "divinity mimicked" mean in this context

Its not about GMS

[twin dragon]

She's much much different than a weaver even if she wasnt meant to be

[edgy nebula]

she was still made to surpass their curse of being unable to make children

[twin dragon]

Didnt she have a dialogue

about something related

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah she talks about that

A flawed attempt. A life spun from rune and shell, sustained only by its cage. My thoughts may mimic a Weavers, but my senses are my own.
Over time, that difference brought only distance between us.

[twin dragon]

or am i tripping

[limpid summit]

This

She was made way before the FS realization

[twin dragon]

did i get lied to again

[limpid summit]

I actually don’t get what she means here

My senses?

Did they just get bored of talking to a tube

[twin dragon]

Talking about seeing natures and stuff

how did they manage to do that

[edgy nebula]

she could be referring to her sight yeah, maybe her body being unique or her being able to do magic stuff

[twin dragon]

Does this imply to some degree that weavers somehow knew about crests

[limpid summit]

Ofc

[edgy nebula]

yes

crests were a weaver term

[twin dragon]

how

[twin dragon]

No yeah i know but but how

[edgy nebula]

idk changing crests is probably something weavers can do

i honestly forgot

[twin dragon]

Eva says hornet's nature is unique to her so nope

[edgy nebula]

unique as in a mix of pale being and weaver, methinks

[twin dragon]

unique MALLEABLE nature

referring to her ability to switch it

guess ill fucking die without an answer

[whole holly]

Eva unintentionally mimics GMS even if she wasn't supposed to

[whole holly]

i think so too

[twin dragon]

where is it stated gms also has smt to do with natures

[whole holly]

??? GMS having multiple natures????

[edgy nebula]

weird then

[twin dragon]

but she doesnt

[whole holly]

? when why did you ask it?

[edgy nebula]

i wonder if gms can switch crests

[foggy stratus]

Source?

[edgy nebula]

she just uses one cause pharloom discord said the other crests were bad

[whole holly]

it was a question not a statement

[twin dragon]

I assume you saying this refers to gms apparently being related to natures or smt

ah

well nevermind then

[whole holly]

no, previous arguments

[twin dragon]

ion think she does

[whole holly]

something that bugs me is why didn't Citadel try to reverse-engineer weavers with Cogwork tech, like they had silk, runes, silkflies, architects and so on

Clawmaiden can absorb silk which is already a lot

[twin dragon]

I mean

how do you reverse engineer a weaver

Their greedy asses already had most of their tech

[whole holly]

i meant create a cogwork bug resembling it and to replace weavers as eternal servants of GMS

[twin dragon]

buddy

do you really think gms is that dumb

[foggy stratus]

That's a whole lotta work.

[twin dragon]

and why would they stop the entire scheme for that

[whole holly]

Cogwork bugs wouldn't betray her though?

[whole holly]

why?

[whole holly]

stop what scheme?

[twin dragon]

the entire citadel

[limpid summit]

Wdym

[twin dragon]

they also didnt know they were chanting for a sealed god till very late

[twin dragon]

Yeah but she wouldnt fucking want clankers

if gms rejected even her own children what makes you think clankers would be accepted

[whole holly]

entire Citadel did create cogwork bugs but why not create Cogwork Weavers to play needolin to sustain her light or smth that Widow was forced to do in her memory

[twin dragon]

Because that likely uplifts gms .. and the conductors dont fucking know??

[whole holly]

rejected? she is sending her kingdom after weavers, gave last of her silk to save lace

[twin dragon]

yeah she wants to punish the weavers and uhh

also apparently outed phantom

because of ???

likely imperfection

[whole holly]

haunted citadel serves her though?

[twin dragon]

what are you saying

[twin dragon]

they dont

they do citadel stuff

[whole holly]

they are under control of GMS, influenced by her

[twin dragon]

They still do citadel stuff such as singing the same song that keeps her sealed

likely the reason lace started killing bugs in the citadel

[whole holly]

do they? threefold melody isn't automated, haunted citadel kidnaps weavers, they do bidding of gms,

[twin dragon]

I mean the pilgrims are seen singing what else would they sing

[whole holly]

Lace is literally a rebel child

[twin dragon]

she was longing for her mother's attention though

[whole holly]

Sherma sings other songs, not every song is threefold melogy

[twin dragon]

lace is the child that wishes gms's waking

[twin dragon]

buddy oh my fucking god

[whole holly]

how are you going to say Citadel doesn't serve GMS, they have no other reason to kidnap weavers...

[twin dragon]

oh so the song that the pilgrims trained by the citadel sing, in the area called choral chambers, isn't the one to keep gms sealed..

[whole holly]

we know it was, but it is not really working, citadel is haunted anyways

[twin dragon]

It was working for centuries

[twin dragon]

I've theorized before that it was a last conductor order to like

fix stuff

but i mostly made that up

[limpid summit]

The citadel went silent and then the haunting reactivated the pilgrims and motivated them to sing

Likely the same song they would have sung

[twin dragon]

and she doesn't like directly influence everyone, more like do her bidding through her memories

[limpid summit]

But presumably without the magic aspect or some mechanism of the Citadel that would keep GMS asleep

The cogwork core was dismantled that’s pretty much all Lace would have had to do

Take down the Cogwork core

[twin dragon]

core was never activated

[whole holly]

well, Citadel gave up control when they started injecting themselves with silk

[limpid summit]

Huh

Yeah it was

We reactivate it

[twin dragon]

Nope

[limpid summit]

Yes it’s broken

Or dismantled

[twin dragon]

near complete

[limpid summit]

It doesn’t take that long to fix

They don’t mean it was never completed

[twin dragon]

that means its unfinished

not that its broken

[limpid summit]

The last edict of the conductors is phrased after its establishment

It was made and worked

[whole holly]

near complete doesn't mean broken, AppleEgg

[twin dragon]

accurate username

[limpid summit]

And lo, is eternity sustained. By Architect's claw, we welcome that final form, of dial and rotor, and soul gladly given. The perfect, unfaltering voice.

[whole holly]

"But you m-m-may hear it, still. At the height of our core, there is means-s-s-system, near complete... Constructs old-built to sound our song. They need only be set to functional form. " they aren't in functional form or fully complete

[limpid summit]

You think they wrote this in advance?

Lmao

[twin dragon]

Yeah it was likely never activated

[limpid summit]

???

That’s the whole basis for the conductors getting lazy and greedy and attempting Whiteward immortality surgeries

Their work was completely automated

[limpid summit]

It’s a bit clunky but in the face of this, other Architect dialogue and the fact that all the cogwork animatronics are operational “near complete” and “functional form” make more sense as something that worked and stopped working

[twin dragon]

other wording would've likely been used

[twin dragon]

Yeah they built the core

im not denying that

It never got activated

[limpid summit]

“And lo is eternity sustained”

Why would they say this if it actually wasn’t

I think I trust the phrasing of the conductor edict

[twin dragon]

it seems very weird that unfinished instead of broken is used

like that's not the correct word to use

[whole holly]

it sounds like a promise

[twin dragon]

if what youre arguing for is correct

[whole holly]

yea

[twin dragon]

But did this accelerate the waking of gms?

I'd say lace killing stuff and the citadel straying away from its purpose did

[limpid summit]

Yes

[twin dragon]

Because it is finished, just needed to put in motion

[whole holly]

citadel strayed away from it's purpose because of silk injections and haunting

[whole holly]

thank you, Let's Larp

[limpid summit]

They already had silk inside them but they took it (probably from the Cradle, messing up GMS’s cocoon) to put more inside them

[twin dragon]

all of it comes from the cradle

[limpid summit]

Yes but the microplastic silk that has accumulated is inert

Until GMS’s more recent threads got in

[twin dragon]

Its still from the cradle

[limpid summit]

Yeah?

[twin dragon]

like all of it

[limpid summit]

Hornet says this to caretaker

It probably lost its sauce over time

[whole holly]

also weaver spools if they hoarded it, we see it across kingdom

[twin dragon]

Likely also with their worship of the sacred material they were indirectly worshipping the god

which granted gms strength

i think caretaker mentions this but i forgot

[whole holly]

wait when?

[twin dragon]

Man i gotta replay the game

[whole holly]

in hindsight kingsmoulds/wingsmoulds are perfect in terms of how powerful they are, they are made with essence, soul and void with high precision, they have programming built in, they don't need to be sustained, they can't be infected or haunted, they can learn or develop new purpose and so on, they have never resulted in negative effects other than notable exception anomaly (Collector)

all of Cogwork bugs are haunted, Crystal Golems broke down, who know how steel children function

[foggy stratus]

Pale King my goat. Hornet doesn't know what she's talking about.

[twin dragon]

cogwork bugs arent haunted??

where did you get that from

[whole holly]

rune-etched white shell is strong, although steel(especially Pale Steel) is probably stronger but also rare and unattainable

[whole holly]

they get void threaded in act 3, wdym?

[near jasper]

They have the haunted needolin effect

[twin dragon]

no??

since when

nvm i think they do but like

likely a ludonarrative dissonance because

[whole holly]

since i have eyes?

[twin dragon]

how the fuck

[twin dragon]

Silkflies singing wtv

i cant see how they're haunted

[whole holly]

i think one of void masses are made of cogwork bugs

[near jasper]

Yeah

[near jasper]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/File:Screenshot_SS_Void_Mass_06.jpg

Link since I dont have image perms

[whole holly]

thanks

[near jasper]

[twin dragon]

interesting

how is this possible?

[near jasper]

Silkflies ig

[twin dragon]

silkflies can be haunted?

since when doe

[near jasper]

idfk

[twin dragon]

can of worms number 3023

[near jasper]

Silkflies are really weird if they're haunted

Their literal first instinct is to not do their job

How does that work

[twin dragon]

I mean haunted bugs do their jobs either way

[whole holly]

if silk is haunted? why wouldn't silkflies be?

[twin dragon]

Because they're not mommy silk's silk

[whole holly]

silkfly opening rune cage is even weird

[twin dragon]

true

how the fuck

[whole holly]

i don't think that matters too much

[twin dragon]

I mean if its one of the main causes it fs does

[whole holly]

we see lace orchestrate them? i guess

[twin dragon]

im js gonna say that the factory was contaminated with silk or wtv

and they somehow got into the soulfly

yap yap

[twin dragon]

does lace know ball about runes now?

[whole holly]

she just sings, i guess silkfly did rest? idk it is just as weird as mist wraiths

[twin dragon]

I'd imagine mist wraiths as literally part of phantom but idk

[near jasper]

I just noticed mis wraiths have the haunted needolin effect

[twin dragon]

do they just sing or is there silk connected to them

i'd say some of them are oversights

TC polish your fucking lore this could've been good

[near jasper]

There isnt silk connected to them but there us the secondary effect you see in act 3

[twin dragon]

what secondary effect

[near jasper]

So im Just assuming the wiki screenshot is from act 3

[twin dragon]

oh its act 3 its an oversight

[near jasper]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/File:Screenshot_SS_Bell_Eater_14.png

The lines coming out from it

Thats the act 3 effect

[twin dragon]

uhh

if you needolin trobbio

it also happens

im pretty sure

[near jasper]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/File:Screenshot_SS_Trobbio_06.png

Nope

[twin dragon]

interesting uhh

likely this is something they added as a singing effect for bugs

i dont see any meaning it could hold

[near jasper]

Its not used for any npcs singing

[twin dragon]

bell eater sings

but wtv

[near jasper]

So I assume its just for haunted bugs

It is also part of the act 1-2 needolin effect for haunted bugs

Team cherry just deleted the string pointing to the cradle for fun ig

Easier than make it point to the abyss maybe

I just noticed gms in the abyss and in the cradle line up vertically thats cool

[twin dragon]

straight to the pit

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me a random enemy.

[twin dragon]

choristor my goat

[near jasper]

Cogwork dancers

[foggy stratus]

"A skilled combatant, compared to the rest of the Citadel's bugs at least. Rather easy for me to dispatch. Has on odd stringy taste to them. I do not like it."-The Hunter

[twin dragon]

grand mother silk

[foggy stratus]

"Many times I've wondered what drives a bug to defend their friends, family or mate. What ever it is, I've never felt it as far as I'm aware."-The Hunter

[foggy stratus]

Already did her like twice.

[twin dragon]

well idk didnt see it

lost lace

WOULD hunter crack karmelita

what am i doing

[foggy stratus]

Here's GMS' entry.

[foggy stratus]

Perchance.

[near jasper]

"WOULD hunter[...]"- Nubbie

[foggy stratus]

"In my journies to the world's bottom, I've encountered a strange black liquid. It thrashes about, seemingly mindless. I find it greatly, fundamentally disturbing. In my one encounter with it, I ran."-The Hunter

[twin dragon]

I think hunter should comment more on how the black liquid takes over lace or bugs

and the entry should be the void tendrils entry imo

[foggy stratus]

That would probably be the Void Masses entry tbh.

[foggy stratus]

He already has one.

[twin dragon]

or this yeah

[scenic bronze]

Absolutely crazy that they gave the spiders SIX eyes

Like you had one job

[twin dragon]

true

i mean hk spiders dont have that either but tc aint it with spiders

[scenic bronze]

WAIT HOLD ON

[whole holly]

spiders having 6 eyes is very popular in media

[scenic bronze]

THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING

the violin spider has six eyes

Genius play

I'd like to issue a formal apology to team cherry, I was not familiar with your game

[whole holly]

needolin? omg tc you are genious

[foggy stratus]

"As of recent the string that once permeated these lands has darkened with that same blackness at the world's base. It seems to ensare some creatures, making then stronger and granting them new attacks. While for some... it binds corpses, or what I hope is corpses, together with thick knots of the Black string. Rarely do I run from a battle, but here I make an exception."-The Hunter

[twin dragon]

The entry you made before could fit well enough

this both looks like ll's entry and void masses entry

[foggy stratus]

Its more so just a general description of what the Void is going in Act 3. The Hunter also wouldn't be able to ever see Lost Lace so that ended up being his feelings about the Void.

[twin dragon]

split it into 2 and distribute it between both n i think they're good

[near jasper]

Yk I feel like silksong has less dialogue for minor characters than hollow knight

[twin dragon]

silksong has more i feel like it

with all of the pilgrims n stuff

[sinful nimbus]

Garmond telling you to piss off if you dare to talk to him more than once after an encounter

[near jasper]

The 5 random guys with 2 lines of dialogue of theyre lucky

[near jasper]

Based

[limpid summit]

Have you done it yet, bellringer? Wriggled deep? Discovered the depths of obsession that brought this place so low?
Hornet: If you speak of this Citadel and its Silk, Caretaker, then yes, I now know the start of it.

Yap yap yap

Aye! That's it, in part! But there's more scale to it than all that. Just think of'em greedily shoving the Silk into their shells, the madness that overcame them, eternal life for mortal bugs! Then think on how long it's all gone on...
Hornet: ...The children born of them, and all the pilgrims after... The Silk has seeded deep into this kingdom's shells, generations deep...
Hornet: No wonder Pharloom's bugs proved such easy prey for that haunted thread. It had only to seek for itself to reach them.

Whiteward started the Haunting

[twin dragon]

It says that it made the haunting easier to latch onto the bugs, not that that exactly caused gms's pre awakening

[near jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-hollow-knight-silksong-hk-hks-hkss-gif-10721773101574343057

[whole holly]

i meant when you said: microplastic silk being inert

[sick tinsel]

radiance started the infection

[terse ravine]

yo guys i started to believe that sea of sorrow might have a coral gorge type area but focused on new coral species and sea creatures and lifeblood, and i'm gonna be just super excited if that come true, what do you think? is supposed to be a big expansion

like i don't think TC ever planned to drop the idea to make a whole undersea explorable area even if they changed plans for Karak and turning it in a battle tower, maybe is gonna be a whole secret undersea tribe, cousins of the karak ones, and might be explorable isn it?

[flat palm]

I remember underwater areas being teased as far back as the early HK trailers

Feels like something they really want to do

[terse ravine]

would be amazing

nautic & sea themed dlc is the perfect chance

[flat palm]

Might be a mollusk themed area

That village in the 2019 trailer definitely seemed like it

[terse ravine]

yeah, i guess that mollusk will take part both in the barnacle bay and the following undersea part, but i'd love if the latter is gonna be preserved without the Citadel influence and still vivid, colorful and brilliant as coral gorge was supposed to be!

[flat palm]

Maybe

[sick tinsel]

tbh i kinda think it would be pale lake vibes

[flat palm]

If it's connected to that lake near bilewater, then maybe it's nearly intact

[terse ravine]

kinda pale lake + lifeblood? gray/silver + blue palette is actually really cool

maybe they can expand the voltnest too! adding a little of pink hues to the color map would be brutal

[covert night]

the area(s) to be added is near bilewater, it's not related to coral gorge

the map asset is in the game files

[covert night]

yeah most likely

[flat palm]

And zylothol (was that his name?) mentions plasmium coming from the east

[covert night]

Plasmium was discovered by my master at the farthest edge of Pharloom, hidden deep in salt-stricken waters. I brought it to these caves under her direction, to study how it flourishes in a foreign place.
that's zylotol's dialogue, he mentions salt-stricken waters

[flat palm]

I must've mixed it up

But still makes some sense

[covert night]

and sea of sorrow trailer description says
"Voyage across and beneath the salt-stricken seas..."

so it's like confirmed that dlc will cover pharloom bay and plasmium spire

[fading shard]

Honestly I just want confirmation for the lifeblood higher being already

it's so likely that it is one and given that pharloom only has had gms it'd be nice to see another god

[sick tinsel]

yeah its gonna be pale lake themed

[fading shard]

though I do hope we don't actually get to "BEAT" it

and more have a nightmare heart situation

where we can at best drive it off of pharloom

[flat palm]

I still think it's the abyss head from HK, but having it extend it's influence to Pharloom would be nice

[fading shard]

but us actually getting to kill a hypothetical completely theorised and very well potentially non exist lifeblood higher being would be wierd